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August 30, 2022
Ukraine – A ‘Counteroffensive’ That Was Destined To Fail

Yesterday Ukraine launched some kind of offensive in the general Kherson region north of the Dnieper.


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News of the success is murky. This morning Dima of the Military Summary Channel made a special report (vid) which listed the claims of both sides. His map drawings showed at least five directions of attacks.



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The Ukraine side claimed to have taken a handful of small villages near the former frontline. The Russian conceded the Ukraine had taken three or so but said that two of them were recovered over night.

Also this morning the Defense Ministry of Russia listed losses of the Ukrainian side. (Link goes to the Russian language report on the Rybar Telegram channel):

As a result of the defeat of the Ukrainian offensive carried out on the personal orders of Zelensky in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog and other directions, the enemy suffered large-scale losses.

▪️The effective actions of the Russian group of troops destroyed 48 tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles, 37 other armored fighting vehicles, 8 pickup trucks with heavy machine guns and more than 1200 Ukrainian military personnel in a day.

It is a bit early to speak of defeat as the Ukrainian attacks continue. The total strength of the Ukrainian side is probably two divisions worth which means some 30.000+ soldiers.

The losses of 1,200 Ukrainian soldiers are therefore not yet significant. The fighting at the Donetsk front cost several hundred Ukrainian lives each day. But the relative high losses of tanks, IFVs and armored vehicles are very notable. That equipment was enough for at least three to five full battalions.

The losses can be explained by the flat open steppe in the area. There are very few wooded or build up areas that would allow tanks to hide. It is ideal for the defending side as long range anti-tank missiles can pick off the tanks before they even know where the fire is coming from.

The Ukraine does not have many armored vehicles left and has even difficulties to get more of them from the 'west'. The countries which still had Soviet equipment have already given most of it to the Ukraine.

The Ukraine has also brought reserves from Odessa to Kryvyi Rih (Russian: Krivoy Rog) to protect it from an eventual Russian attack should the offensive fail.

That will most likely be the case. I expect everything to be back to its previous position in a day or two. We may then see a Russian attempt to break through the thinned out Ukrainian lines in this or that other direction.

In yesterday's background briefing by the Pentagon the military doubt about this offensive was palpable:

Q: Hi. Thanks for this.

I'm wondering if — [omitted], I know you can't give us any apparent details on this counteroffensive. You said there's been an uptick in fighting. Can you give us a sense how big of an uptick and is this fighting from both sides? Give us any sense of that you can.

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Okay, Lita, thank you.

So over the weekend, we saw a larger number of artillery fires primarily coming from the Ukrainians. And so, you know, I say "larger" I wouldn't — I wouldn't exaggerate that but it's an increased amount of artillery that we've seen coming from the Ukrainians.

And then they have — as you all know, for the past couple of weeks, they have been making some small advances in and around the Kherson pocket for a while. So I don't want to mislead you here and tell you that I don't think the offensive is underway. I — I would just — I'd refer you to the Ukrainians right now because we have seen some offensive action in that area for the past couple weeks.

And I'll pass it over to [omitted].

Q: Yeah, for the senior military official, so you say you really can't give us any particulars on this offensive. You see an uptick in fighting. You say go to the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are saying this is a significant counteroffensive. So clearly, you're not willing to go that far, correct?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Tom, I’m just saying, I think the Ukrainians have a better way of telling you what they're doing than we do. I mean, even in the best case, you know, I'm getting my reporting from the Ukrainians. So —

Q: Well, are they telling you that it's a significant counteroffensive? Because that's kind of what they're saying publicly. Are you getting the same thing? And if — if that's the case, why can't you tell us it's a — a counteroffensive?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: Well, I just don't — I mean, listen, are they on the offensive? I think they are. Is this a counteroffensive? I don't know. And the reason I tell you that is because, as I said, over the past couple of weeks, we've seen them making some offensive moves in and around the Kherson pocket.

So listen, I'm — you know, like you, I would love to have perfect information here. I think we'll get some more information over the course of the next 24 to 36 hours.

Q: Yeah, but again, it's frustrating for us because they're saying it's a big counteroffensive and what we hear — see — hear from you guys is, like, an uptick in fighting. Those two don't match, you see?

SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: No, I'm with you, Tom.

Q: Yeah.

To me this sounds like the military official is not at all convinced that this a serious offensive that makes sense.

That is likely because it does not make sense and is just another waste of lives.

It is Zelinski's attempt to prove to the 'west' and the local public that Ukraine can be successful and should receive continued support.

Four days ago the New York Times said that Zelenski was "under pressure" to launch the counteroffensive:

As the bloody artillery battle in Ukraine’s east settles into a stalemate, the war appears now to be a waiting game for a long-promised Ukrainian counteroffensive.

The timing for any move to break the deadlock has emerged as a pivotal strategic decision for Ukraine’s government.

The initial target of any counterattack is widely assumed to be Russian positions on the western bank of the Dnipro River. Move too soon, though, and the Ukrainian army may prove unready and insufficiently armed to ensure victory, military analysts say. Wait too long, and political backing in Europe may waver as energy prices soar.

Political pressure is mounting for President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to make a move even as it remains unclear whether his military has amassed the necessary weaponry and manpower.

“The very difficult state of our economy, the constant risks of air and missile attacks and the general fatigue of the population from the difficulties of war will work against Ukraine” over time, Andriy Zagorodnyuk, a former minister of defense, wrote in the Ukrainska Pravda newspaper. He said the military should be prepared to advance, rather than defend.

“It makes no sense to drag out the war for years and compete to see who will run out of resources first,” he wrote.

On the same day another NYT piece also dug into the issue:

The timing for any such attack has emerged as a pivotal decision for Ukraine’s government. Both sides are preparing for a protracted war, but Ukraine has greater incentive to try to avoid it with potentially risky maneuvers as early as this fall — before the rainy season turns the countryside into impassable bogs, or energy shortages and soaring costs undermine European support.

“An offensive is risky,” said Michael Kofman, the director of Russian studies at C.N.A., a research institute in Arlington, Va., assessing Ukraine’s options.

“If it fails, the outcome could affect external support,’’ he said. “On the other hand, Kyiv likely sees this as a window of opportunity, beyond which lies the uncertainty of a protracted war against a Russian army that has had time to entrench.”

But several military analysts say there is a disconnect between Ukrainian civilian leaders, pressing for a major victory, and military leaders who want to ensure they have sufficient troops and combat power before conducting a major offensive.

“There’s a desire to show international partners that their support will enable Ukraine to win, not just hold on,” said Jack Watling, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, who just returned from Ukraine. “And there is an expectation from the Ukrainian people they’ll be able to liberate their territory.”

But he cautioned, “a military offensive needs to be based on conditions on the battlefield,” not in the political arena.

In my view the offensive was launched at the wrong time and with too few troops along too many axes.

Two month ago the Ukrainians had already assembled a decent force in the Kherson area. It then started to loudly talk about the upcoming offensive. Instead it should have attacked immediately along one or two axes to make at least some gain.

After the loud talk the Russians reinforced their side in the area. At the same time they launched an offensive in the Donetsk region. The Ukrainians had to move some of the units prepared for the Kherson offensive to the Donetsk region to prevent a deeper Russian penetration into that frontline. Other units, waiting for the order to attack in the Kherson region, were mauled by Russian long range artillery strikes.

When its forces were assembled the Ukrainian military should have attacked immediately. The long wait made the situation more difficult.  To break the reinforced Russian lines now would have taken more troops than were available.

I am sure that the Ukrainian military knew that this offensive would fail.

For political reasons Zelenski ordered them to launch it anyway. There are now another 1,000+ Ukrainian and Russian lives lost for nothing other then some sensational headlines and political optics.

Comments

the piece i commented on ended up at the grayzone:
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/
worth reading the whole thing to see how much difference all those billions in “aid” are making.

Posted by: the pair | Aug 30 2022 21:06 utc | 101

Posted by: Abe | Aug 30 2022 20:59 utc | 106
I think a lot of people in the west are conditioned to seeing a quick victory over an overmatched opponent, like the US in Grenada. So it seems like Russia is not winning because of the lack of “shock and awe”. they have their own plan, and their own timetable, and there own goals, which don’t include looking impressive on US tv.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 30 2022 21:17 utc | 102

you can download a different browser called Opera. Pretty much the same as Firefox, Internet Explorer or Chrome..
Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Aug 30 2022 20:59 utc
I was using Firefox and Duckduckgo. Anytime Firefox was open, my drives were constantly cycling.
I switched to Brave browser and search and voila, the cycling immediately stopped. Brave browser has a function to tell you how many data incursions (requests?) it has blocked. You will be surprised. especially good for those on limited bandwidth and speed ISP plans. You can put Brave on most smart phones as well.
Brave is basically Chrome stripped of all the “report back to the Google mothership” crap.
Also, there is a built-in TOR function and more.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 30 2022 21:20 utc | 103

Tony_0pmoc | Aug 30 2022 20:59 utc
Epic Browser w/ encrypted proxy. Canadian proxy seems to censor posts, not so much the others

Posted by: Billy G | Aug 30 2022 21:29 utc | 104

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 30 2022 16:41 utc | 45
Not that it’s particularly on-topic wrt Trump, but he does happen to be a master manipulator of various media forms (from his ample media experience both good and bad dating back to the 80s…professional wrestling, popular media topic as a boisterous billionaire, “You’re Fired!” and his convenient hosting gig on SNL in the runup to the 2016 election) and he has his finger on the pulse of everyday Americans far better than most D or R politicians, whether his stated views are genuine or not – I would argue that when it comes to the real plight of the working class he’s just as disingenuous as both major parties.
BUT…Trump also understands that, more than ever, there’s no such thing as bad publicity. Don’t forget as well that Hillary and the ‘legacy’ corporate media conspired to ensure that she would face Trump in the 2016 general election, stupidly not understanding the ramifications of such a strategy. Comey’s back-and-forth and the media’s corresponding October surprise certainly didn’t help Hillary, meaning in the zero sum game of American politics it helped Trump. Besides, he’s great for ratings as the then network heads of CNN and CBS (likely others) admitted – both openly and in what they thought would be private conversations. None of which is to deny the overt collusion that was perpetrated in 2020 which was definitely intended to hurt Trump’s election chances and boost Biden’s.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 30 2022 21:34 utc | 105

The Ukraine had, by their own admission 7 years to build up an awesome military to crush the Donbass. And this is the best they could do?

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Aug 30 2022 21:36 utc | 106

“are they on the offensive? I think they are. Is this a counteroffensive? I don’t know….I would love to have perfect information here. I think we’ll get some more information over the course of the next 24 to 36 hours.”
Given western ongoing real-time satellite support, and the US’s declared daily talks w/Z, hard to imagine US intelligence didn’t develop this offensive – and the whole political campaign of a ‘victorious counteroffensive to come’ – in close conjunction w/Ukraine – and that it is not actively and ongoingly monitoring, gauging, and advising right now.
Unless Ukraine has – in desperation – slipped the leash and acted independently.
The reporting failure of the NYT as it described ‘the dilemma of Ukraine’s delayed counteroffensive’ – mainly shared by mainstream western media – is its failure to label and examine the west as an active co-belligerent in this war, in practice inseparable from Ukraine in the US’s proxy war with Russia.
The idea that ‘you’ll have to ask the Uk’s about that’ is as nonsensical as the idea that ‘the Uk’s will decide on whether/when/what constitutes victory.

Posted by: abramawicz | Aug 30 2022 21:37 utc | 107

Maxx – 101
Well, except that Switzerland has basically never been a Republic. An aristocratic oligarchy at times, a democracy earlier on and once again during the last 170 years.
Meanwhile, it seems the Kherson offensive isn’t going anywhere.
Last but not least, Gorbachev just died. I wonder how it will play out in Russia and how Putin will comment on it.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 30 2022 21:37 utc | 108

Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 30 2022 15:37 utc | 16
The question remains, how will the energy crisis affect the Western side in pushing for talks, and is Russia still interested in talking at all, now that the favourable momentum in the wider geopolitical war with the West is outpacing that of the local war in Ukraine?

Who can say? But it’s hard to see how Russia could believe any agreements offered by the Americans. (The EU and Ukraine don’t matter in negotiations, and will do what Uncle Sam tells them)
The situation, as you may know, in Europe is bad. Really bad. Catastrophically bad. Politicians could get hanged from lampposts if Europeans weren’t so horribly old, fat and weak bad.
The summer is fading, and the MSM is now gradually prepping the proletariat for their new, considerably poorer, lives. The dumb schmucks still have the vague impression this will be over by the end of winter. The coming economic detonations, as business failures mount up and cascade into the financial system – which never really recovered from 2008 – are still an abstract idea at best to the average person.
Nobody’s told them yet that they can kiss goodbye to their pensions and cradle-to-grave (more the latter these days) welfare state and decadent luxury goods such as “owning a car” or “central heating”.
The EU/UK are in a desperate bind, have no good options and don’t want to take the least worst one (drop the sanctions, drop Ukraine, drop the USA, beg Russia for gas, and sign a 20 year contract paid entirely upfront in roubles or gold… is probably the only offer Moscow would be prepared to accept now, yet this is still cheaper than the other options)
They need to do something, so they’ll do something likely to be foolish and even more self-destructive in the not-very-long term (hello, energy lockdowns and furloughs) because this is a crisis of supply. By definition, any solution must increase supply. If it doesn’t increase supply – and it’s physically impossible to do so in the near term without importing from Russia – it’s not a solution. It’s displacement activity.
At some point, the realisation must dawn in the West that it has completely, thoroughly, and humiliatingly lost the war in Ukraine. In the global context, it really doesn’t matter what happens on the ground in Ukraine now. Zelensky could ride into Donetsk on a stunningly gay and Black lesbian transgender undocumented immigrant T. Rex, personally arm-wrestle Ramzan Kadyrov to death, and it wouldn’t fix the strategic gunshot wound the collective West has applied to its own temple.

Posted by: ZX | Aug 30 2022 21:41 utc | 109

Posted by: fnord | Aug 30 2022 20:41 utc | 99
I disagree with you but you gave an honest answer so thank you for that.
I think we have experienced the opposite things. But this is not a Trump thread so I wont go into it.
Also I think you allude at the end of some equivalence between Zelensky and Trump. It is amazing how much that is the opposite of what I think is true.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 30 2022 21:43 utc | 110

@Paul Greenwood
> The Russians have a meat-grinder and Z simply sends
> more and more Ukrainian men into it.
“As a child, he loved kindergarten so much! He was the center of attention there. He was good at playing games, and all the kids would gather around him. At home he loved playing with the meat grinder most of all, the old Soviet one.” – says Rimma Vladimirovna (Zelensky’s Mother)

Posted by: Nomad | Aug 30 2022 21:48 utc | 111

@ Alek_a
“You sound as if the media helped elect Trump. I cant fathom the narratives you progressives develop for yourselves and believe in!”
lol Trump was given more free TV airtime than any candidate in history. That is like the network backing up a dump truck full of cash at the Mar a Lago loading dock as another waits in line behind it. In fact it’s better than cash, much better.

Posted by: nwwoods | Aug 30 2022 21:49 utc | 112

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 30 2022 20:57 utc | 104
This brings to mind a question. Is there anything uniquely American in how easily some of the major trade unions were corrupted in the past? Does American greed eclipse European greed in relation to how unions operate or how corruptible they are/were? I know nothing of how unions operate in other countries save certain Latin American ones.
Regarding the heavy government hand you hypothesize (but likely aren’t referring to universal healthcare and affordable education), one must also then consider the converse scenario. Namely, with incredibly lax government oversight of ‘industry’ or near complete laissez faire conditions, such as were the aims (and successes) of Thatcher/Reagan* neoliberal “reforms”, so-called entrepreneurs are empowered to get away with treating their workers much less fairly than those who may be in unions or have government protections. So perhaps where the bottom line is concerned, speed-to-market, etc. entrepreneurs can temporarily run circles around unionized competition, this can change once the playing field is leveled and their own excesses/corruption are exposed and addressed (think: gig/temp workers, unaccounted for wage theft, cooking the books, stock buybacks and/or Amazon-like operations, all of which by necessity commoditize the workforce). Will that ever happen? Only if workers join together and demand it – government intervention or not.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 30 2022 21:49 utc | 113

The media built up Trump because they thought that was the way to assure Hillary’s election. As a bonus, the extra ratings covering Trump gave the media also gave them lots of money,

Posted by: lysias | Aug 30 2022 21:58 utc | 114

Posted by: abramawicz | Aug 30 2022 21:37 utc | 115
It’s certain that Nato “advisors” developed this attack. The same way they developed the “special operation” to capture Snake (Zmeiny) island back in May, in 2-3 failed separate attacks. Eventually Russians just packed up and left because it wasn’t worth the effort to try and defend it.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 30 2022 21:59 utc | 115

Clueless Joe@116
Republicanism has historically had at its core an aristocratic oligarchy; i.e. the Roman Republic:
Encyclopedia BrittanicaSwitzerland was (along with San Marino) the only early modern republic to survive the reign of Napoleon I./I>

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 22:08 utc | 116

Wrt accessing websites: you do not need a VPN, you just need to change your DNS setting. Look it up – it is very easy.
Long version: when you type in a URL, your computer asks the DNS for the IP address that matches the words you typed. Most of the time your DNS is set by default to one that is owned by your ISP – but there are many, many choices. The internet isn’t being censored, your address book is. The internet cannot be effectively censored if you teach yourself a few basics.

Posted by: Rae | Aug 30 2022 22:12 utc | 117

“When viewing the war in Ukraine one has the experience of reading the Western media and having to ask oneself, where do these people gather their information from? There is almost a complete detachment from the events on the ground and the way it is reported in the Western media. This is more readily apparent in the British press than anywhere else in Europe. Having recently visited the United Kingdom, I was shocked by their reporting on the war, or rather what purported to be their reporting. It was so completely detached from reality that one had to pause and remind oneself that what was being reported was not so much a chronicle of events but rather a series of statements that reflected what the British hoped would be the case….” James O’Neill on Ukraine.
He underlines the argument that since at least 2014 Ukraine has been governed from Washington. It ought to be added that Washington’s indifference to the fate of the Ukrainians themselves means that while it dictates geopolitical moves, domestic political decisions are left in the hands of the oligarchs and the fascist gangs that they employ.
A wiser government, than the idiocracy in Washington, would realise that allowing Ukraine to disintegrate, driving millions into exile in both Russia and the EU-searching for minimal economic security- and reducing the popolace to a terrorised mass, deprived of any spokesmen or representatives, policed by death squads openly operating, is not a very good way of encouraging it to stand by its government and enrol in its defence.
Such would appear to be the lessons being learned there daily.
https://journal-neo.org/2022/08/29/the-war-in-ukraine-is-a-foretaste-of-much-wider-changes/

Posted by: bevin | Aug 30 2022 22:17 utc | 118

I think that it is wrong to expect that the population of the colective west can get tired of this war.
This war is a fight of their indentity, their sense of superiority. If this war is lost, the west is lost.
So, the western working clases fully support their oligarchs in this crusade.

Posted by: mario2 | Aug 30 2022 22:17 utc | 119

Sow pace hypothesis: whether initially the intent or not, there is a relatively slow pace by the allied forces against Ukraine (it is wholly explainable with multiple reasons), is there any validity to a Russian gambit to wait for the Ukrainian “counter offensive” because its failure will almost certainly erode support for the Ukrainian government. Forcing an agreement on a defiant Ukraine may not be as advantageous as the west forcing a defeated Ukraine to accept an agreement. And without a lot of support, Ukraine has literally no hope militarily, economically or politically.
If the Ukrainian counteroffensive is the trigger for the next phase of the russian offensive, russia might well make Odessa by the time Ukraine is forced to start talking. And the west’s binding getting tighter all the time.

Posted by: Lex | Aug 30 2022 22:22 utc | 120

@13 Paul Greenwood
“One day the lights will be switched on and women will see how few men there are and wonder just where they went”
That is where the Muslims fit in. Harems

Posted by: HelenB | Aug 30 2022 22:24 utc | 121

From Telegram Donbass Devushka, cracked me and worthy of sharing:
Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev dead at 91.
Early reports say the viewing will be held at the Moscow Pizza Hut

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 30 2022 22:25 utc | 122

True. Then they continue to bear the bulk of the consequences and to suffer, till they come to light.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Aug 30 2022 22:26 utc | 123

mario2 | Aug 30 2022 22:17 utc | 127
you are delusional. the population of the west cares not a wit about the ukraine, nor is its identity in any way bound up in the war there. it is merely waiting for the russians to win.

Posted by: Malle | Aug 30 2022 22:28 utc | 124

The Dutch, the most watered-down of all the Germanics. Waiver, the Hague wants. Just open the dikes and be done with it. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. What a nation of losers.

Posted by: Boris G | Aug 30 2022 22:32 utc | 125

Trump has indeed a repulsive, self-aggrandizing and all-round obnoxious presence and manners. A buffoon that is offensive to watch. He is low on morals (what real estate developer isn’t?) and too self-aware. Nobody likes him and he knows that so he developed defenses which, somehow, attract the media. So yeah, that part I understand.
But let me propose an experiment to all you leftist progressives. Have some neutral friend edit (to remove obvious references) a speech by Bernie and a speech by Trump. Can you blindly make a difference between the two? Maybe, one is conservative (borders, guns etc) and the other liberal (open society, social justice), so there is some genuine difference. But try it, maybe you will be more appreciative of what Trump actually tried to do, why he was prevented and how come it took only 2 years of Biden afterwards to start this nightmare.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 30 2022 22:33 utc | 126

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 30 2022 21:20 utc | 110
Thanks for your reply. I retired nearly 20 years ago, after a life in the computer industry (My last job had a posh title – but basically a unix techie for a major UK corporate – where to do your job, you have to have total access, especially when they put you in charge of security too. I immediately hired some specialists, who were getting paid significantly more than me, and did an absolutely fantastic job.)
My son, does pretty much the same thing as me, except he runs his own business – a small Internet Service Provider. He started it when he was 13. I do not get involved, except if you run that on Windows NT, it ain’t going to last very long…
Almost all his stuff is on UNIX, and he does all his own bureaucracy. He hardly ever asks me for any advice, except maybe a tool to fix his (or his kid’s) latest toy.
We occasionally get the Fraud Squad, or The Heavy Mob, from the City of London knocking on our door..
I think wtf have I done wrong now?
thought criminal?
No – is your son here?
So my wife lets them in.
We want to speak to him. So after 2 hours of interrogation, of my wife and me (would you like a cup of tea) after they have gone all 4 of them wearing masks
So I text him, and he phones them back…
“Why didn’t you text me or phone me, rather scaring the shit out of my Mum and Dad?”
he spent hours days working with them, after he had got back to provide them with evidence of the crimes, they had committed, using his ISP.
Everything is logged, and almost everything is traceable, so why use a vpn, which to people who do trace these things – unless you can’t communicate – cos it stands out like a sore thumb
The vast majority of people are honest, talking complete and utter total bollocks (but generally being nice) on Facebook.
The real criminals are robbing you blind.
Many of them work in Government
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Aug 30 2022 22:33 utc | 127

Please not “the Ukraine”, MoA. It’s “Ukraine,” no “the”.
In the past American writers figured themselves intellectuals by writing the Ukraine, the Albania, the Brazil and the Congo. For some reason. Probably to imitate French, “le”. But the French “le” or “la” has to be added to every noun – it’s not snobbery, it’s just French. (Insert joke.)
When that is imitated in English, however, there’s no excuse.

Posted by: Tenet | Aug 30 2022 22:35 utc | 128

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 20:50 utc | 101
What you ignore is that monarchies rely on very unequal distribution of wealth and status. You may be OK with a monarchy etc if you believe that you will be one of the aristocracy, with access to power and privilege, but if you are the servant class not so nice.
Monarchies were a reasonable form of government when rich powerful military leaders (the lord and his knights) exercised control over farmers and artisans in exchange for protection – from neighbours and in the early days wild animals. This was an exchange willingly made by the people (or with with only a little duress). In the early days the King or Lord was generally the best warrior and was physically dominant as well as usually mentally superior. this was still very much true even 400 years ago where the physical looks of the monarch mattered a very great deal.
Also you cannot extrapolate from the few good dynasties to the rest of the time. Also monarchies were inherently war cultures. They relied on war and area expansion for their success. Monarchies including the generally beneficial Achaemenidae were successful because military expansion brought great wealth.
Oddly enough you seem to support monarchy because it defines the power structure and the relation between individuals. I on the other hand would despise such a rigid system, especially where it was dependent not on ability but on who your great grandaddy was. Monarchy as i say is super great provided you are one of the aristocracy and the cabal around the king/queen is reasonably benign and doesn’t chop off heads with enthusiasm.
The reality is that most dynasties last two generations and are bookended by civil war, with much death and destruction. Exceptions do occur eg in China where the dynasties usually lasted much longer, although even there the failing dynasties were forcibly overthrown usually via a peasant revolt. Indeed A book by S Fitzgerald I read many years ago, pointed out that the Maoist revolution should be seen as just another peasant revolution that lead to removal of a failing dynasty and replacement by another.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 30 2022 22:36 utc | 129

Posted by: Malle | Aug 30 2022 22:28 utc | 132
You will be surprised how arrogant and self important the Western middle classes find themselves to be. So maybe not identity, yes, but their sense of superiority to other cultures (I know, I am an immigrant) is what drives the response (those lowly Russians, how dare they!). It is also why Western leaders are still comfortable in their standpoints.
I actually hope the lower class and leftists pull their shit together, abandon wokeism et.al., and force everyone with a comfy high paying job to take the bitter pill and make peace with Russia. And I am a conservative!

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 30 2022 22:44 utc | 130

Good article on SMO origins, citing the US senator Richard Black about how they will fight to the last Ukrainian and Ukrainian losses. The original grouping was not enough, nor was intended for “full war”, and the operation in February occurred to prevent Ukraine from attacking Donbass. They will eventually be creating several new army corps (20-40-60k etc. sizing) armed with the latest tanks, AD, infantry weapons and body armor.
Ex-senator Richard Black:
“We don’t care how many Ukrainians die. How many women, children, civilians, military will die. It’s like an important football match and we want to win. And, you know, we don’t even care how many of our players get hurt on the playing field, as long as we win.
Russia did not plan the invasion in advance. This can be seen from the number of troops involved in the attack. Ukraine had 250 thousand, and Russia attacked with only 160 thousand.
Putin was forced to attack in order to prevent Ukraine from attacking the Donbass.
Russia tries not to harm civilian Ukrainians, because it considers them to be Slavic brothers.
Unlike the American tanks in Vietnam, the Russians stopped in front of peaceful crowds in the early days of the invasion. In such a situation, we would simply crush them, wrap them on tracks, without even thinking.
Ukraine cannot make a decision about peace. The decision for peace can only be made in Washington, but as long as we want to continue this war, we will fight until the last Ukrainian dies.”
https://en.topcor.ru/27759-vojna-za-ukrainu-voshla-v-reshajuschuju-fazu-no-bit-nado-bylo-po-vashingtonu-v-chem-byla-oshibka-putina.html

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 30 2022 22:53 utc | 131

The Donbass Region will be liberated in weeks – probably by November/ December.
Kherson will have voted their Referendum.
Zelenskyy’s Calls for U$D+€UR+GB£ Funding will fall off deafened ears as EU+GBR Citizens start complaining ever loudly about their own Energy Availability and Cost Problems.
FreedomFrackLNG? There have been at least Two reported “Accidents” at LNG Facilities that prevented them from shipping LNG to Europe. That dropped USA NatGas Px. Do you think ‘Muricans are going to experience more “Accidents” through the Winter and Spring? Will they complain if NatGas Px remain reasonable?
Only a matter of time until we see Kiev-Lvov’s Foreign Funding levels steadily decline.
RUS will continue their De-Nazification and De-Militarization SMO.

Posted by: IronForge | Aug 30 2022 22:54 utc | 132

watcher | Aug 30 2022 22:36 utc | 137
These are historical facts, not feelings.
monarchies rely on very unequal distribution of wealth and status.
Haati. Africa. Ukraine. Which one of these are monarchies?
monarchies were inherently war cultures.
Staat des Deutschen Ordens, First French Republic, post-WWII United States. Which one of these are monarchies?
you seem to support monarchy because it defines the power structure and the relation between individuals.
What makes you think I support monarchy?
most dynasties last two generations and are bookended by civil war,
Give me 10 examples.
the failing (Chinese) dynasties were forcibly overthrown usually via a peasant revolt.
Give me 5 examples.
I see in your response a lot of emotionally and ideologically driven generalities but very little logic. This is your chance to back it up with fact.

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 23:03 utc | 133

Next the IAEA inspectors will call off their visit to the NPP sighting the “increase in hostilities” in the area. Boom! Kiev got its way!

Posted by: Cassle | Aug 30 2022 23:07 utc | 134

alek_a | Aug 30 2022 22:44 utc | 138
you are not a conservative

Posted by: Malle | Aug 30 2022 23:09 utc | 135

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 30 2022 22:33 utc | 134
As I attempted to lay out above, Trump has his finger on the pulse of the American working class in a way that most Democrat and Republican establishment politicians do. Bernie Sanders is an Independent who (stupidly IMO) continued to tether his wagon to the DNC horse in order to drive their policies back to the left during elections. That said, and repeating another point I made, Trump co-opted Sanders’ talking points, so it’s absolutely not a surprise if there’s much overlap between topics in their speeches. In fact it’s been documented. Trump is a faux-populist.
https://brownpoliticalreview.org/2016/03/populism-for-plutocrats-how-trump-co-opted-the-sanders-approach/
The fact of the matter, however, is that other than a few typical conservative wish list items like better border security and renegotiation of certain trade agreements, literally nothing else Trump campaigned on would be possible without completely bucking the Republican establishment which is owned by a slightly different faction of bankers and corporatists than the Democrats. IOW, he would have no way to accomplish most of his promises to the working class without raising taxes on the rich. He would have no way to end the forever wars with the massive dependence of the American economy on said wars. He couldn’t do much at all to fix the massive wealth concentration and gap without implementing Bernie Sanders style “progressive” left-leaning policies. No way to actually fight for the American worker within his own preferred framework of arch-capitalism and spurning the FIRE sector even a tiny amount (you noted he’s a real estate developer himself).

Yet Trump, amidst his professed indignation over hedge-fund speculators “getting away with murder,” has proposed a standard Republican tax cut that would disproportionately favor the wealthy. Thus, as the New Republic’s Jeet Heer points out, Trump is “wielding right-wing populism to keep tax cuts for the rich at the core of American politics,” a strategy populist in name only. Trump’s ability to activate voters with a language of economic populism paralleling Sanders’ critique of the greed of corporations, most clearly exhibited in his condemnation of the impunity with which speculators reap enormous profits, rests on a rhetorical appeal to the sense of loss in, and near betrayal by, the American economy felt by the faction of his supporters who lack college educations and have experienced most profoundly the effects of outsourced manufacturing positions. But Trump’s rhetoric remains firmly in the camp of verbal demagoguery and plays essentially no role in his policies, which build directly upon mainstream GOP economic approaches.
Thus, while both Sanders and Trump are tapping into a similar vein of populist discontent, most clearly directed at the avarice of economic elites, the latter has capitalized upon this sentiment through purely cosmetic appeals, which cloak a fundamentally traditional—and, in some regards, elitist—economic bent. Though Trump and Sanders may converge on a number of specific proposals, the consistency between Sanders’ intense emphasis on the need for a more democratic economic apparatus and his policies—notwithstanding the debate over their feasibility—diverges distinctly from Trump’s duplicity. Though some have praised the parallels between the two candidates as suggesting that Sanders’ brand of populism may attract support outside the most progressive wing of the Democratic party, what the populist strategies deployed by Trump indicate more clearly is how easily a clarion call for populist reform can be manipulated in defense of the oft-maligned “establishment” and the status quo.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 30 2022 23:09 utc | 136

EDIT: Trump has his finger on the pulse of the American working class in a way that most Democrat and Republican establishment politicians do….NOT.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 30 2022 23:10 utc | 137

Despite its massive forces and huge military budget, the US failed in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now its doing the same with its proxy war in Ukraine. Maybe because its motivations are disgraceful and purely self-centred. The major US arms manufacturers have seen a massive share price rise since early March after falling earlier due to withdrawal from Afghanistan. Got to keep the profits soaring and save Biden for the mid-terms.
Perhaps it should avoid causing another proxy war in Taiwan as it is trying to do given the island is 1/17th the size of Ukraine and most people live on the coastal regions.
The US is certainly not winning much support in the Global South and in the Asia-Pacific region. As an Australian I’m also disgusted that our foreign policy is identical to that of the US and our new Albanese government is once again running to drink the US cool aid. Australia is walking a dangerous tight rope held up by the unreliable and belligerent US who can’t win wars on one side, and the rusting British neocolonialists who still think they living in the 19th Century when Britain ‘ruled the waves’ and like America ‘waived the rules’.
Most Australians haven’t got a clue about what a vulnerable position the country is in, and have been fed nothing but bullshit from the pro-American media about Putin and Ukraine and Xi Jinping and China. It’s a total fools paradise ready to be another Ukraine too. Most people haven’t figured out that we are outnumbered by 57 to 1 if we are drawn into another stupid US led war as the US’s newest patsy against China.

Posted by: George | Aug 30 2022 23:11 utc | 138

With weapons heading there and Labor Day the kickoff of election season this counteroffensive gives US news something to spin just in time…funny how that works.

Posted by: GS | Aug 30 2022 23:11 utc | 139

Posted by: Cassle | Aug 30 2022 23:07 utc | 144
What a bunch of useless, corrupt cunts. No different than OSCE “observers” relaying target coordinates for Ukrainian artillery in Donbass over the past many years.

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 30 2022 23:11 utc | 140

Last comment on Trump, as we’re veering well off topic now, but I should have added the following blurb from the article I linked above. It is directly relevant to a sentiment evident in the thread.

…in a February 17th MSNBC town hall interview, Trump was given a description of an unnamed candidate: “considered a political outsider by all the pundits…tapping into the anger of the voters…delivers a populist message; he believes everyone in the country should have healthcare. He advocates for hedge fund managers to pay higher taxes. He’s drawing thousands of people at his rallies and bringing a lot of new voters into the political process and he’s not beholden to any Super PAC.” Trump identified this profile as his own and was informed by the interviewers that this portrait was, in fact, of Bernie Sanders.

P.S. Regarding another sentiment that I believe is being misunderstood. The media doesn’t have to *want* to help a candidate, especially a media savvy one like Trump, to end up helping him. Again, the old saying goes “there’s no such thing as bad publicity.” So while the media – especially in 2020, but also in 2016 (pre-Russia allegations) – obviously hated Trump, he was able to capitalize on the bad publicity and it only endeared him more strongly to his voters/followers. I agree with another comment that Hillary almost certainly lost the ‘Rust Belt’ due to snobbish refusal to campaign there while Trump held numerous rallies, often on the same day. But the fact is that Hillary and her team definitely wanted Trump to win the GOP primary because they thought he’d be an easy opponent to beat – AND – that even negative attention from the corporate media can lead to positive results at the polling places.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 30 2022 23:20 utc | 141

Maxx @ 101:
As I explained @ 184 in a previous comments forum, the millet system does not depend on the institution of monarchy to exist. Similar systems based around ethnicity, caste, clan or even past tribal relationships, with their own legal codes or systems, can exist in any society under a variety of political systems. A society with a democratic political system could arguably accommodate these different systems in a way similar to the way the Ottoman millet system operated.
The Ottomans basically relied on what had been done under the Byzantines though the Ottomans formed a more stable monarchy than the Byzantines did, perhaps because the harem institution ensured that at least one male heir could be produced to inherit the Ottoman throne. The Byzantine monarchy seems to have been at the mercy of various elite families of varied ethnic origins (Greek, Armenian, Thracian, Slav) over the life-time of the Byzantine empire.
Also I do not consider history to be a reliable guide in demonstrating the durability of monarchy over other forms of government. Monarchy in Britain and some other European nations may owe a large part of their longevity to the fact that these nations tend to be on the physical fringes of Europe (Britain is an island, the Scandinavian nations are on two peninsulas in northern Europe) and until recently were more difficult to invade and take over. The British were also fortunate in their early domination of the Indian subcontinent and subverting its economy to serve the British economy, in the process diverting Indian wealth to Britain and impoverishing the Indian majority. If the British monarchy is stable, it may be largely because over the past 200 – 300 years it depended on India to sustain it and to divert public attention away from political reform.
In other words, monarchy is stable because other political, social, legal and economic factors make it stable, and those factors would also make any other political system stable.
Another thing too … we should not fall into the trap of believing that durability and stability of particular political systems like monarchy are necessarily good for societies. The durability of monarchy can hide gross political corruption with the potential for internal instability, which seems to be the case particularly in the UK and even among some members of the British Royal Family (Prince Charles and his infamous spider memos coming to mind).
I live in Australia by the way, and in my lifetime the nation (a constitutional monarchy with Queen Elizabeth II as its head of state) has experienced two major political crises resulting in the overthrow of Prime Ministers Gough Whitlam in 1975 and Kevin Rudd in 2010. We may yet experience another crisis if after the death of the Queen, Britain decides to abolish the monarchy and we are left with a political vacuum. This is hardly a real-life endorsement of the system of monarchy!

Posted by: Jen | Aug 30 2022 23:26 utc | 142

Posted by: George | Aug 30 2022 23:11 utc | 148
and the rusting British neocolonialists who still think they living in the 19th Century when Britain ‘ruled the waves’ and like America ‘waived the rules’.

No, not at all. Britain’s establishment hates Britain, and is thoroughly ashamed of its own history. That’s why the BBC is desperate to cram minorities into everything, even historical dramas, and that’s why the vast coercive power of the British state somehow can’t prevent tens of thousands of itinerant rapists appearing on its beaches every year.
They’re not nostalgic for the British Empire at all, the flag waving stuff is purely for the consumption of dumb voters. They’re merely the American regime’s gimps. They not only reliably copy their American bosses’ political and cultural obsessions, they actively try to find ways to add value to the “special relationship”, because being Washington DC’s bottom bitch is literally all they can imagine.

Posted by: ZX | Aug 30 2022 23:27 utc | 143

@ bevin | Aug 30 2022 22:17 utc | 126
James O’Neill on Ukraine: When viewing the war in Ukraine one has the experience of reading the Western media and having to ask oneself, where do these people gather their information from?
Mainly they get their information from their government, usually a pack of lies. Then they write something that will create the perception that the government wants, to be repeated over and over which they figure makes them true.
In the US, State’s Blinken is very good at creating and repeating ad nauseum “Putin’s unprovoked attack on Ukraine,” and on that he’s never been challenged in the MSM, nor or anything else.
Dan Rather, an iconic US journalist: “Look I’m an American. I never tried to kid anybody that I’m some internationalist or something. And when my country is at war, I want my country to win, whatever the definition of ‘win’ might be. Now, I can’t and don’t argue that that is coverage without prejudice. About that I am prejudiced.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 30 2022 23:29 utc | 144

RT While every death is a tragedy, prose is art and its hard not to laugh out loud at this:
Three soldiers were wounded in what Indianapolis police called a drive-by shooting on Saturday. They were in the US for urban warfare training.
Ah, the Dutch special forces. Best keep ’em in the rear with the gear…

Posted by: Gus G | Aug 30 2022 23:31 utc | 145

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 23:03 utc | 143
I am interested in this topic for several reasons, only one of which is that it seems to me that democracy hasn’t worked out all that well.
Although it seems you know a lot more than I about the topic and have a well-formed opinion, I missed the part where you defined what a monarchy is. I would be most interested to read how you define it. Am also curious: do you believe monarchies require certain types of social structure like feudal?
One of the roles of monarch in the European feudal order that I always found important was that of ‘protector of the realm’ in that the monarch had life and death power over the nobles just as they had life and death power over their vassals. Are there certain necessary norms regarding private property and Crown property ownership? I guess I am suggesting that monarchy is about more than just the monarch but the whole system of which the monarch is the anointed leader?
Also, is a ‘pure’ monarchy one wherein church and state are one and the monarch is also head of the church? Church is a very western, institutional concept: can a monarch be one if he or she is divorced from spiritual authority or not regarded as a connection with the Heaven or Sacredness principle? Do you think a monarch can be one without connection to that sacred perception principle on the part of both monarch and subjects? Or do you regard monarchy as part of a purely secular dynamic and any such spiritual aspects are essentially irrelevant.
What do you mean by ‘monarchy?’

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 30 2022 23:32 utc | 146

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 23:03 utc | 143
I have to go out now, so cannot respond. Will do say later – provided B allows – it is pretty off topic. I can provide many examples.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 30 2022 23:32 utc | 147

Did anyone see the massive report from Stanford Internet Observatory Cyber Policy Centre that shows how much of the Western anti-Russian and anti-Chinese propaganda has been done over the last 5 years
https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:nj914nx9540/unheard-voice-tt.pdf
Nury Vittachi who has been living in Hong Kong for many years brought it to my attention here: https://johnmenadue.com/massive-secret-network-revealed-to-be-pushing-western-narrative/

Posted by: George | Aug 30 2022 23:33 utc | 148

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 30 2022 23:09 utc | 146
Bernie Sanders is an Independent who (stupidly IMO) continued to tether his wagon to the DNC horse in order to drive their policies back to the left during elections
Third parties are not allowed to amount to anything in the US. Ralph Nader wrote a book about it: Crashing the Party.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 30 2022 23:37 utc | 149

Tenet | Aug 30 2022 22:35 utc | 136
The meaning of the word “Ukraine” means “borderland”
So, labeling it “The Ukraine” is not only appropriate,
most people living there refer to it as “THE” Ukraine

Posted by: crone | Aug 30 2022 23:39 utc | 150

We may yet experience another crisis if after the death of the Queen, Britain decides to abolish the monarchy and we are left with a political vacuum. This is hardly a real-life endorsement of the system of monarchy!
Posted by: Jen | Aug 30 2022 23:26 utc | 152
Thank you for your post. Although the British monarchy is stable, as you say, it is not really a monarchy any more but a sentimentally propped up hybrid castrated of all religious or secular power.
Posted by: watcher | Aug 30 2022 23:32 utc | 157
Yes, this is off topic. It should have been in the open thread. But I believe it arose in the thread about ‘Europe’s economic and social suicide’ where for some reason Maxx thought it didn’t belong. It certainly doesn’t belong here in a thread about Ukraine’s counter-offensive but it is an interesting topic (at least to some) because we are in interesting geopolitical times in which things are shifting mightily, so reviewing various socio-political options seems apropos.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 30 2022 23:48 utc | 151

@George | Aug 30 2022 23:11 utc | 148
Despite its massive forces and huge military budget, the US failed in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now its doing the same with its proxy war in Ukraine.
The US did fail to win, but they did succeed in causing instability and making a profit.
“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.”
— Smedley Butler, War is a Racket

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 30 2022 23:49 utc | 152

Posted by: ZX | Aug 30 2022 23:27 utc | 153
I disagree, its current leaders like Truss and Johnson have been acting like they are still part of the “rule Britannia” madness. They are way out of their depth, and relishing the chance to condemn Russia and China (as they have always done since the early 18th century). Johnson with his several trips to Ukraine has been pushing Zelensky to not to make any peace deal – hence the cannon fodder of Ukrainian soldiers each day. The current leaders could not give a damn about average Brit, in fact they hope to use the situation to push the ordinary British person further into neo-feudalism. And the average Brit apart from the Peterloo massacre have never really stood up to the establishment and are still regularly duped by the British Monarchy who represent the establishment and hierarchical right wing power. Shouldering up with the US is just making the current British leaders become more deluded about British power.
Remember in Australia (or is it UStralia) where I live we get a dose from both sides, US and UK, remember? AUKUS. The US may still have power but the UK leaders are thinking they are living in the good old rusted British Empire days.

Posted by: George | Aug 30 2022 23:52 utc | 153

I remember that Gorbachev tried to make an historic agreement with Reagan, that seemed to be coming to fruition, but at the last Reagan backtracked because he wanted to hold onto the upper hand and continue with a program that had no chance of realistic success but would continue to draw funds – the infamous ‘star wars’ defense system. An historic opportunity was thereby lost.
Rest in peace, Mihail Gorbachev. I am sure Russia will recall your moment in history with respect. It was not your failure that the west reneged on their promise not to expand nato; it was theirs.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 30 2022 23:54 utc | 154

Jen @ 152
A society with a democratic political system could arguably accommodate these different systems in a way similar to the way the Ottoman millet system operated.
No, they can’t and that is my point. If “arguably” is the standard, give an example from history. Not a make-believe generalisation that derives from your imagination.
Also I do not consider history to be a reliable guide in demonstrating the durability of monarchy over other forms of government.
Of course you don’t. It represents something concrete that you cannot manipulate to favor your “argument.” So you have to ignore it. That’s what ideologues do. They can’t control truth so they have to redefine it.
So, your math likely does not consider numbers to be a reliable guide in demonstrating how mathematics works unless it supports your ideology. And words are not a reliable guide in conveying meaning unless it supports your predetermined beliefs. That is what an ideologue is. Your “meaning” is derived from what you want to believe, not what experience demonstrates actually IS.
Since you do not consider history to be a reliable guide, you won’t get offended when I tell you that historically speaking ideologues are the first to be eliminated when those taking power recognise they are dealing with someone whose “wants” are incongruent with the new “needs.” But you did a bang up job of analysing the Ottomans. 😉 Even though that is not a reliable guide. You know, history and stuff…
You snowflakes are in for a wild ride. Maximilien Robespierre

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 23:57 utc | 155

@ George | Aug 30 2022 23:52 utc | 162
The current leaders could not give a damn about average Brit
Not unusual, when these scoundrels are given some power.
Edward Abbey:
No man is wise enough to be another man’s master. Each man’s as good as the next — if not a damn sight better. . .A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 30 2022 23:57 utc | 156

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 30 2022 23:49 utc | 161
I agree with you, Smedley Butler was spot on. In Europe Jean Paul Sartre concluded something very similar:
“When the Rich Wage War, It’s the POOR who DIE”.

Posted by: George | Aug 31 2022 0:00 utc | 157

Hey newbie MoA barflys…and some not so new
You all are sure putting out a lot of useless and off topic BS.
At the least, show some manners and take your OT discussions to the current Open Thread. I know it might reduce the eyeballs you get paid to read your “opinions”, but it would sure help to keep this bar presentable.
Thanks

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 31 2022 0:09 utc | 158

@ juliania | Aug 30 2022 23:54 utc | 163
thanks juliania… someone needed to say that, and i am not surprised it is you… thank you..
@ psychohistorian | Aug 31 2022 0:09 utc | 167
i won’t be surprised if b comes along and deletes a bunch of the usa politics commentary… apparently they don’t know where the open thread is, lol..

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2022 0:16 utc | 159

from ukrinrform:

Ukrainian forces confirm new strikes on three bridges in Kherson region
Last night, our bomber aircraft struck two enemy positions outside Kyselivka and Kostyrka. Rocket and artillery units carried out more than 220 fire missions, including on three bridges – the Antonivka Road Bridge, Antonivka Rail Bridge and Darivka Bridge – to secure their unusable status,” the report said. . .here

Bomber aircraft?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 31 2022 0:20 utc | 160

Europeans are finding out that their comfy lifestyles depend on Russian resources, but they can’t figure out why the US/NATO are trying to eliminate the “Last Ukrainian” to kill as many Russians as possible?
It’s the resources, stupid (paraphrasing Clinton).
The plan is to go back into Russia and loot and steal the way they did in the 90s.
But now Russians are refusing to lie down and let them, so the US/NATO are planning on killing them this time.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 31 2022 0:28 utc | 161

from RT
Russia releases new estimate of Ukrainian counter-offensive losses . . .Russian forces have taken out hundreds of Ukrainian troops and dozens of tanks and armored military vehicles after repelling an ill-fated offensive in the south of the country, the Defense Ministry claimed on Tuesday.. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 31 2022 0:31 utc | 162

I thought that Zelensky’s Kherson offensive was going to be a 1,000,000 strong army?
He said he was going to take back Crimea too.
Then he said only a few days ago he was taking back the Donbass region.
Is the cocaine taking him further into fairy land now or is he on other hallucinogenic stuff as well ?

Posted by: George | Aug 31 2022 0:31 utc | 163

Don Bacon @ 169
Probably SU-25s Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 31 2022 0:32 utc | 164

@IronForge | Aug 30 2022 22:54 utc | 141:
«The Donbass Region will be liberated in weeks – probably by November/ December.»
No. Russia couldn’t even get the villages around Avdiivka in 6 months. Nor Kramatorsk, Konstantinivka, Slaviansk, Bakhmut/Artemovsk, Siversk. The front lines are basically the same as in July-3rd, with only minor advances South of Bakhmut/Artemovsk and Pesky (North of Avdiivka).
«Kherson will have voted their Referendum.»
Kherson and Zaporizhia. But only the small amount of people that stayed during conflict. Not a legitimate occasion to do such things…
«Zelenskyy’s Calls for U$D+€UR+GB£ Funding will fall off deafened ears as EU+GBR Citizens start complaining ever loudly about their own Energy Availability and Cost Problems.»
The funding will continue. People are being brain washed in order to do sacrifices in the name of “Ukrainian democracy”. They will. As they already did before in the name of “€urozone stability” and “saving the banking system”. Now they’ll do even more sacrifices. And in the event some leaders are replaced, the substitutes (as we see with Truss) will be even worse. Europe is lost!
«FreedomFrackLNG? There have been at least Two reported “Accidents” at LNG Facilities that prevented them from shipping LNG to Europe. That dropped USA NatGas Px. Do you think ‘Muricans are going to experience more “Accidents” through the Winter and Spring? Will they complain if NatGas Px remain reasonable?»
Probably not. That was just to lower local gas prices in USA before midterms. Biden’s approval rating is already going up. After the midterms, it will go back to “normal”.
«Only a matter of time until we see Kiev-Lvov’s Foreign Funding levels steadily decline.»
As it is with everything. But don’t underestimate stupidity. The funding will continue for longer than you think. Don’t look ate the “billions”, look at the GDP%. It’s just 0.1% or 0.2% for most Western countries so far. Except the Baltic+Poland lunatics. Those already gave 0.4% or 0.5% so far, and their people are willing to give much more, even at their expenses, as I’ve explained before.
«RUS will continue their De-Nazification and De-Militarization SMO.»
Not forever. Maybe until 2023, as Medvedev recognized. But Russia wants a peace deal, above all, and a security treaty with Europe. As soon as they are ready to sign it, then Russia is also ready to stop SMO. Even if there are still a lot of Azovites/Banderites in Western Ukraine. And Ukraine will NEVER be de-militarized. It will either have its military to secure its safety (just not with the same NATO interference), and even foreign armies (it comes to my mind UN’s blue helmets and no NATO western countries).
Actually, the whole Eastern Europe will be much more militarized in the next months/years, as soon as USA’s Military Industrial Complex delivers enough for the current demand. And let’s not forget the dirty expansion of NATO (because it is at the cost of Kurdish lives and Human Rights, and Syrian territory) to the North: Sweden and Finland.
And I add this: Russia’s current capabilities in Ukraine don’t allow it to do much more than has already been done. HIMARS are in fact being a headache, or else they would all have already been destroyed. Everyday Russia’s MoD talks about so many HIMARS shelling, I distrust even more the reports of alleged destruction of the 8 HIMARS (in 23). Either Russia ups the ante, or this is close to the final map of this conflict. Will Russia up the ante like the Serbian President said? If the West keeps refusing peace, then I hope so. The ENTIRE Novorussia must be liberated from Kiev/Lvov/Banderistan’s claws. That’s the only justice for what they all did in/since 2014.
Some say it’s about the trenches… What trenches are there NORTH of Slaviansk? What trenches are there in the Kharkov/Donetsk border preventing the pincer movement from the North? What trenches are there in Zaporizhia oblast preventing Russia from doing a pincer movement to get Avdiivka in the back? The 8 year long front line was not in those areas!
By comparing the slow but constant Russian advances in the Izium front between April and July, with the current complete stall and in some cases even Ukrainian successful counter-offensive movements, I can only conclude Russia lost its offensive capabilities in Ukraine’s SMO. Either lost too many troops or too much equipment/vehicles, and then HIMARS gave the final blow. And THAT’S why USA doesn’t send any more of those systems, because it doesn’t need to. This is USA’s ideal scenario: the war just keeps going, and going, and going, Russians and Ukrainians are getting killed (USA couldn’t care less if the ratio is 1-10 or 1-100, as long as there are Russian being killed), and neither side does any significant advances.
As a 100% supporter of Donbass’ anti-Maidan/anti-Nazi Ukrainians (and in other areas of Novorussia) and their right to independence (or join Russia if that’s what they want, like the Crimean people decided in a free and democratic referendum), this just makes me sad. There are still 11 days to go, and I don’t like to wait. I’m sorry if I make any mistakes in my amateur analysis just because of my impatience.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 31 2022 0:40 utc | 165

@ George | Aug 31 2022 0:31 utc | 172
it’s the cia- m15 script.. he will stick to the script until he is no longer useful as a hollywood ”war hero” type rep… it is literally as @ wagelaborer | Aug 31 2022 0:28 utc | 170 says…the financial empire will not be messed with… so much water under the bridge since the time of gorbachev…

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2022 0:42 utc | 166

Carlos Marques | Aug 31 2022 0:40 utc | 174
When you don’t understand what is going on it is easy to be come to faulty conclusions. I’m sure you are a good laborer though.

Posted by: Megquart | Aug 31 2022 0:48 utc | 167

@Posted by: juliania | Aug 30 2022 23:54 utc | 163
Gorbachev is as much detested in Russia as he is loved in the West. The idiot who unilaterally disarmed (he actually thought that the US would reciprocate!) and then destroyed the Soviet Union and threw the Russian population (with the great help of Yeltsin) into a depression worse than the 1930s as their collective property was stolen by the kleptocratic oligarchy.
“Rot In Hell” is probably close to the thoughts of many, rather than RIP.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 31 2022 0:49 utc | 168

I, a US American, knew two eastern european women who were friends living in the US. One was a medical doctor from St. Petersburg, RU. She was educated before the dissolution of the USSR. She said that, under the Soviets, if one had the aptitude, it was to one’s benefit to stay in school as long as possible. She was petite and very smart, quick witted and she had a sharp tongue. She was a still a virgin at age 35. I helped her change that. I’d no idea until the commencement. She’d given no indication. I was 40 and she was my first jungfrau. I would have married her, but for extraneous circumstances.
The other was a very large, strong and robust super amazon of a Ukrainian woman of about the same age. She was very proud to make the distinction that she was not Russian. She was adamant that no one think she was Russian. She was Ukrainian. I engaged in the act with her too, for good measure, but she was not a jungfrau. She was not pleased that our relationship, as it were, did not go further.
I think about those two women a lot lately.
Many years have passed. I know where the doctor is and I phoned her some years ago. I was thoroughly rebuffed. The Ukrainian, I do not know what became of her.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Aug 31 2022 1:06 utc | 169

“Poor Europe: so far from God and not close enough to the United States.”
Excellent article at RT about the US backing away from its promises to supply Europe with fuel.
“Energy-starved Europe is about to learn the worth of Washington’s friendship
“It’s starting to look like it’s Europe’s turn to learn what Washington’s promises are worth. (Spoiler alert: Not much.) In a letter that the Wall Street Journal editorial board has described as “bullying,” US Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm demands that the nation’s main energy refining companies refrain from increasing fuel exports at a time when America’s allies in Europe are in deep need….”
https://www.rt.com/news/561832-jennifer-granholm-exporting-fuel-europe/
or maybe-if RT is banned there- this will work.
rachelmarsden.com

Posted by: bevin | Aug 31 2022 1:07 utc | 170

All the “meat grinder” comments suggest a basic misunderstanding of the current stalemate phase of the war (phase 2 effectively ended around mid July). Russia still has an artillery advantage, but one that is tempered by a much lower rate of shells fired than previously and generally worse accuracy and response time than Ukrainian arty. There’s also rough parity now in “deep strikes”. Russia can strike deeper and more often, but Ukraine seems to have better intelligence on where to strike for maximum effect. Casualties are additionally balanced by the fact that Russia is making unsuccessful assaults on a dozen-ish villages every day, usually against fortified positions. Not major combined arms assaults for the most part but small unit RIF probing for weaknesses in Ukrainian defenses. In general those end up with the attackers taking more casualties as they are exposed to ATGMs, driving through minefields, etc.
I would expect that Russia suffered more casualties in phase 1, Ukraine in phase 2, and pretty equal in stalemate phase. And that is why “slow is best” makes very little sense: generals since ancient times have understood the importance of seizing the initiative, pocketing the enemy, etc. If you have the ability to do that, it’s your only priority. Russia isn’t creating some “genius new model of warfare”, they’re slugging it out trench fights and howitzer duels while trying to keep the main burden on Wagner/LDPR fighters rather than people whose deaths will cause anger back home.
The casualty balance could change again if Ukraine decides to press the offensive in Kherson hard. Ukraine would suffer significant more casualties attacking against prepared defenses. But Russia faces pretty significant supply issues for fuel/ammo/reinforcements with the main bridges over the Dnipro more or less out and pontoon/barge crossings within range of accurate missile strikes. Ukraine needs to decide if it’s worth a determined offensive that could either go south or “go south”, and Russia needs to decide if it’s worth a sustained defense with degraded logistics. The key risk for Russia here is that they might not be able to withdraw to the south bank in good order with their equipment in the worst case. And each side’s cost/benefit takes into account the other side’s cost/benefit, a classic game theory scenario.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 31 2022 1:14 utc | 171

@wagelaborer | Aug 31 2022 0:28 utc | 170
«It’s the resources, stupid (paraphrasing Clinton).
The plan is to go back into Russia and loot and steal the way they did in the 90s.
But now Russians are refusing to lie down and let them, so the US/NATO are planning on killing them this time.»
That’s only phase 1 of the plan. As we know, China is phase 2. USA’s empire wants constant war for its MIC, and tolerates ZERO contenders to its hegemony. And Europe is full of idiots that are perfect for NeoCon’s plans. USA wins in every short-term scenario, and with ZERO boots on the ground. Europe either has NeoLib Capitalism (‘Democrat’ style), of Fascist Capitalism (‘Republican’ style). NATO can always find new enemies, and new territories where it can make its “defensive” operations. Multi-polarity will take decades to achieve, and even then we’ll have two major blocks, like in Cold War “good old times”.
For USA’s oligarchic warmongering regime, the external big enemy is the best conjuncture they can ask for if they cannot be the single hegemon. Their propaganda machine was never dismantled. It just changed the name of the foe: Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Fidel Castro, Bin Laden, Hugo Chavez, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad, Nicolas Maduro, ISIS, Kim Jong-un, Putin, Xi Jiping, and so on.
The day USA’s regime no longer has a war to profit, or a territory to steal from, it’s industry collapses. The day USA no longer can impose the dollar, it’s entire economy collapses. The day USA no longer has an external enemy, the Federation collapses! That’s the long-term plan Putin, Xi, and many others are playing. One day in this century, the America’s Summit will be held in Havana, and USA will be the one not invited. And this time, no one will criticize the host for doing that. One day, Europe will realize the USA’s influence is toxic. Then instead of the West, there will be Eurasia on one side, and USA+Canada alone on the other side. How small is that? And that’s even before the secession movements of Texas, and this and that Coast, or this and that Confederation…
Maybe one day it will be the Chinese armada encircling Hawaii to make sure they can be independent from USA’s dictatorship. And a BRICS or SCO army installing its missile in the Northern Mexican border and training Mexicans to hate (and kill) USAmericans, in order to stop what’s left of USA’s unprovoked and unjustified aggression against everyone else. Ah, I would love to see that day. The day the World will be FREE from the terrestrial Sith Empire.
May the force be with us all.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Aug 31 2022 1:17 utc | 172

From Escobar at the cradle:
“The Telegram channel Rybar (with over 640k followers) and hacker group Beregini revealed in an investigation that Kazakhstan was selling weapons to Ukraine, which translates as de facto treason against their own Russian allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). Consider too that Kazakhstan is also part of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and the EAEU, the two hubs of the Eurasian-led multipolar order.
As a consequence of the scandal, Kazakhstan was forced to officially announce the suspension of all weapons exports until the end of 2023.
It began with hackers unveiling how Technoexport – a Kazakh company – was selling armed personnel carriers, anti-tank systems and munitions to Kiev via Jordanian intermediaries, under the orders of the United Kingdom. The deal itself was supervised by the British military attaché in Nur-Sultan, the Kazakh capital.
Nur-Sultan predictably tried to dismiss the allegations, arguing that Technoexport had not asked for export licenses. That was essentially false: the Rybar team discovered that Technoexport instead used Blue Water Supplies, a Jordanian firm, for those. And the story gets even juicier. All the contract documents ended up being found in the computers of Ukrainian intel.
Moreover, the hackers found out about another deal involving Kazspetsexport, via a Bulgarian buyer, for the sale of Kazakh Su-27s, airplane turbines and Mi-24 helicopters. These would have been delivered to the US, but their final destination was Ukraine.
The icing on this Central Asian cake is that Kazakhstan also sells significant amounts of Russian – not Kazakh – oil to Kiev.”
https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/14989
This is to put in parallel to reports suggesting that there are concerted efforts made to turn Kazakhstan against Russia via methods similar to ethnic hatred against Russia in Ukraine, and similar efforts in Kyrgyzstan.

Posted by: htyul | Aug 31 2022 1:23 utc | 173

Maxx@124
In the case of Switzerland- as was recently pointed out on this site-a Russian army saved the day.
A great deal can be learned from history but knowing what is history and what is ideology is helpful: your contempt for democracy appears to be based upon a reactionary interpretation of history

Posted by: bevin | Aug 31 2022 1:26 utc | 174

larry johnson from today –
UKRAINIAN COUNTER OFFENSIVE FIZZLES OUT AFTER POLITICAL PUSH TO LAUNCH
“Do you want a recipe for disaster? Make sure you subordinate military strategy and tactics to political considerations.”

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2022 1:31 utc | 175

Pepe at his most perceptive:
“…One year after the astounding US humiliation in Kabul – and on the verge of another serious comeuppance in Donbass – there is reason to believe Moscow is wary of Washington seeking vengeance: in the form of the ‘Afghanization’ of Ukraine.
“With no end in sight to western weapons and finance flowing into Kiev, it must be recognized that the Ukrainian battle is likely to disintegrate into yet another endless war. Like the Afghan jihad in the 1980s which employed US-armed and funded guerrillas to drag Russia into its depths, Ukraine’s backers will employ those war-tested methods to run a protracted battle that can spill into bordering Russian lands.
“Yet this US attempt at crypto-Afghanization will at best accelerate the completion of what Russia’s Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu describes as the “tasks” of its Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine. For Moscow right now, that road leads all the way to Odessa.
“It didn’t have to be this way. Until the recent assassination of Darya Dugina at Moscow’s gates, the battlefield in Ukraine was in fact under a ‘Syrianization’ process….
“…Moscow is well aware that any negotiation with those pulling the strings in Washington – and dictating all terms to puppets in Brussels and Kiev – is futile. The fight in Donbass and beyond is a do or die affair.
So the battle will go on, destroying what’s left of Ukraine, just as it destroyed much of Syria. The difference is that economically, much more than in Syria, what’s left of Ukraine will plunge into a black void. Only territory under Russian control will be rebuilt, and that includes, significantly, the bulk of Ukraine’s industrial infrastructure.
“What’s left – rump Ukraine – has already been plundered anyway, as Monsanto, Cargill and Dupont have already bagged 17 million hectares of prime, fertile arable land – over half of what Ukraine still possesses. That translates de facto as BlackRock, Blackstone and Vanguard, top agro-business shareholders, owning whatever lands that really matter in non-sovereign Ukraine…”
https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/14989

Posted by: bevin | Aug 31 2022 1:32 utc | 176

@Yenwoda do you have any references that support your claim that russia is using less artillery than in July? I have not heard this from anyone. Russia is still employing 10x+ more artillery than Uktaine and the casualties are still many times more on Ukraine side than Russia because of this. So yes. It is a meatgrinder.

Posted by: Comandante | Aug 31 2022 1:43 utc | 177

bevin | Aug 31 2022 1:26 utc | 183
Another county heard from! Gorbachev died today. Heard of him? Probably not. He’s a historical figure, but history isn’t a reliable guide for..you know..history and stuff.

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 31 2022 1:49 utc | 178

Jimmy #103

Of course the dutch gov is in favor of banning all Russians to travel to the EU just like the Baltic states, but France and Germany are against it.
Seems like we are sinking to a new moral low ground, seems like human rights and stuff are all just a charade over here. Government media is like gloating like really, like they are proud of it.

I can assure you that the Dutch arrived at the moral low ground way more than a century ago.
This Earth of Mankind by Pramoedya Ananta Toer
is a must read if you care to consider the vile ‘legal’ and ‘civilised’ destruction of the human spirit in Indonesia by the Dutch.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 31 2022 2:16 utc | 179

Maxx@187
An extremely silly comment, unworthy of reply.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 31 2022 2:20 utc | 180

Re: Gorbatchev
It remains to be seen if Gorbatchev was ever a Russian Patriot or an “entrisme”.
Entrisme is a French word that describes a plant introduced into an enemy’s organization to destroy it from within.
Perestroika was certainly brought about by a sympathy for things Western, “liberty”, “freedom” and other propaganda goodies
sowed by the West into gullible populations dazzled by Hollywood’s “doctorisations”. From the start then, Mikhail was an enemy of
the Soviet system.
Mrs Gorbatchev was very fond of Western goodies. She loved the plushness of 5th Ave. establishments. Behind everyman’s
corruption there is a woman whispering into his ears. So she was a factor in Gorbatchev’s treason.
Whereas Yelstin was a dim witted drunkard, Gorbachev was a very intelligent man and that makes him guiltier.
A chapter has been closed that should not have been opened.
I guess he died unable to forgive himself for the wrongs he did to Russia and the URSS.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 31 2022 2:21 utc | 181

So, I stand by my original proposition that monarchianism has the best historical record of preserving liberties and rights. It’s not an emotional argument, just history.
Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 20:50 utc | 101
All too often, that was true in the sense that it is easier to “preserve” little than a lot.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 31 2022 2:23 utc | 182

All the “meat grinder” comments suggest a basic misunderstanding of the current stalemate phase of the war (phase 2 effectively ended around mid July)” – Yenwoda | Aug 31 2022 1:14 utc | 180

All of your comments suggest a basic misunderstanding of the war. (Russia’s goals and conditions for ending the SMO have been repeatedly articulated since around February).

Posted by: DocHollywood | Aug 31 2022 2:26 utc | 183

Some of the Happiest People on the Planet live in Bhutan. A Monarchy. Just saying.

Posted by: NoOne | Aug 31 2022 2:28 utc | 184

I am also a huge fan of Dima. “Hello my dear friends!”
He said the goals of the offensive are threefold
1. Show military progress to secure more weapons now that countries are balking to send more lethal aid
2. Intimidate voters in Kherson and Zaporhizia to vote no on the Sept. 11 referenda to join the Russian Federation
3. Divert the Russian Third Group at Rostov on Don away from Donetzsk toward Kherson

Posted by: Anunnaki | Aug 31 2022 2:29 utc | 185

Rumor is Zeleuzhny was dead set against this fiasco,
Zelensky’s days have to be running short

Posted by: Anunnaki | Aug 31 2022 2:30 utc | 186

bevin #185

BlackRock, Blackstone and Vanguard, top agro-business shareholders, owning whatever lands that really matter in non-sovereign Ukraine…”

IMO these vultures have as much chance of realising that ‘investment’ as does a flying fox in hell.
These vulgar global elite thieves are now in a new world order where their ‘investments’ are at extreme risk. I somehow doubt that there will be one square meter of what was once Ukraine left to plunder. I do believe Russia is well aware of how Syria was balkanised and plundered and butchered by the global elites (let alone what was intended for Russia in the 90’s) and is unlikely to to enable the same in any of once was Ukraine.
Russia does not owe these vultures anything and by the time another twelve months have passed by the west is likely to be in diminished capacity to respond.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 31 2022 2:36 utc | 187

Gorbachev…
Posted by: Roger | Aug 31 2022 0:49 utc | 177

Yes, that’s the truth. According to Kremlin lore, he would chair Politburo meetings and decisions were made. That night he would listen to Raisa and the next morning many key decisions would be reversed.
How he was not removed in a coup remains a mystery.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 31 2022 2:39 utc | 188

bevin | Aug 31 2022 2:20 utc | 189
You suffer from the same emotionalism as @Watcher and to a lesser extent @Jen.
I have neither contempt for democracy nor love of monarchy. Analysts are able to separate their analysis from their ideology. It does not mean they personally favor the conclusions they reach. People of a certain age inherently understand this.
So your response identifies you. Your generation was not the first to use these tactics. They were pioneered by the Bolsheviks, familiar to Europe until the 1980s and familar to the Americans until sometime after 2008.
I will not teach you to be a better manipulator. Life will do that.
❄❄❄❄❄❄

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 31 2022 2:39 utc | 189

htyul #182

The icing on this Central Asian cake is that Kazakhstan also sells significant amounts of Russian – not Kazakh – oil to Kiev.”
https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/14989
This is to put in parallel to reports suggesting that there are concerted efforts made to turn Kazakhstan against Russia via methods similar to ethnic hatred against Russia in Ukraine, and similar efforts in Kyrgyzstan.

Thank you. Just another reason to constrict/close the westie embassies across the belt and road corridor.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 31 2022 2:41 utc | 190

Opport Knocks | Aug 31 2022 2:39 utc | 197
They tried but left it too late. 1991 Soviet coup attempt

Posted by: Marcus R | Aug 31 2022 2:45 utc | 191

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 31 2022 2:39 utc | 198
what tactics are you talking about, and demonstrate that they were “developed by the Bolsheviks”. i mean surely you recognize that your opinions about monarchy are going to be highly controversial.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2022 2:56 utc | 192

Kherson is a feint. The counter offensive is set for Izyum in the North.

Posted by: Anunnaki | Aug 31 2022 2:57 utc | 193

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 30 2022 23:03 utc | 143
uh Max, Africa is not a country. It has never been a country. you know, historically and all. and wtf does Haiti have to do with anything. the problems Haitians face are in large measure caused by the United States.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 31 2022 3:03 utc | 194

Piotr Berman | Aug 31 2022 2:23 utc | 191
At least your take is rooted in history.
Not that history is a reliable guide in demonstrating..you know…history and stuff. Per Jen@152. Pure ❄

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 31 2022 3:07 utc | 195

202
Seems probable. Seems that the Ukies have been amassing troops and means on the direction of Balakliya according to reports
by locals. been at it for 6 days now.

Posted by: CarlD | Aug 31 2022 3:07 utc | 196

I tend to take any reporting coming from FT with a boulder of rock salt but there is a report quoting an article in FT (behind paywall) that China is re-selling substantial amounts of Russian gas to the EU.
The Zero article tends to put an aspect of happy talk for the EU but does imply that the gas is sold at a substantial markup.
Not sure if rules allow for a link to zero article so will not post-believe I was moderated out for previous article with a zero link.

Posted by: Taras 77 | Aug 31 2022 3:25 utc | 197

Tony #105:
Thanks, Tony. I am a tad concerned that I tend to get too enraged at the absurdity coming out of DC but need to vent in some manner, usually in my comments. At the end of the day, the cia most assuredly has a file of even the most average citizen, of which I am one.

Posted by: Taras 77 | Aug 31 2022 3:29 utc | 198

pretzelattack @201, 203
You’re right, Pretzel guy. Africa is not a country. Historically. Not that history is a reliable guide in demonstrating..you know…history and stuff.
Haiti is a country @Hispanola. If you can’t relate it to the proper context of the conversation then you need to study French history. Which is only a problem for those that believe history is not a reliable guide in demonstrating…you get the picture.
And if you don’t understand the Bolshevik statement, Don’t worry. There are plenty of us here that believe history IS a reliable guide in demonstrating…Russian history. You know, Russia. The country that is dismantling NATO’s FOA in the Ukraine as we speak.
Yes, I can see how the monarchy thing could be considered controversial, particularly if one doesn’t believe that history is a reliable guide in demonstrating—you know, history and stuff.
I recommend moving this thing to the next open non-Ukraine thread and you’re gonna get us all banned.

Posted by: Maxx | Aug 31 2022 3:45 utc | 199

@ DutchZ 39
When Obama’s Islamic State dropped down to Mosul from Turkey in Obama’s New Toyotas, the psyops Obama media announced to the city’s inhabitants that Deash had entered the town, long before it actually happened.
It was common knowledge that Germany was running the Syrian invasion from Turkey, so where is USUKIS running Biden’s 20 year planned war in Ukraine from? Where is the media/psyops 4th generation warfare’s Green Room physically located? Important to know if its operation is led by the same Germany that ran the Syrian war.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 31 2022 3:47 utc | 200