Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 09, 2022

Trump Raid Is Sabotaging The Democrats' Campaign

Over the weekend the Democrats finally passed their rather mediocre $430 billion Inflation Reduction Act, which will not reduce inflation and is mostly about climate related measures and drugs. They hope to profit from it in the November midterm election:

Vulnerable incumbent Democratic senators like Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada are already planning events promoting the landmark legislation they passed over the weekend. Democratic ad makers are busily preparing a barrage of commercials about it across key battlegrounds. And the White House is set to deploy Cabinet members on a nationwide sales pitch.

The sweeping legislation, covering climate change and prescription drug prices, which came together in the Senate after more than a year of painfully public fits and starts, has kicked off a frenetic 91-day sprint to sell the package by November — and win over an electorate that has grown skeptical of Democratic rule.

But on the very same day the the Justice Department and the FBI handed republicans a huge new rallying point that will significantly increase their election turnout:

Hoards of angry Donald Trump supporters descended on his Mar-a-Lago home last night shortly after it emerged that the FBI had searched the ex-president's estate as part of an investigation into whether he took classified records from the White House to the Florida residence.

Trump, disclosing the search in a lengthy statement, claimed that agents had opened up a safe at his home and described their work as an 'unannounced raid' that he called 'prosecutorial misconduct.'

He accused the FBI of a double standard, claiming the bureau 'allowed' Hillary Clinton to 'acid wash' 33,000 emails from her time as Secretary of State.

Those in his camp said the raid was a clear attempt to thwart a potential 2024 Presidential run.

Trump has not formally announced any campaign but speculation that he will run again is rife. It was compounded by his appearance at C-Pac this weekend.

The raid is guaranteed to be covered in multiple news rounds. It will give Trump new momentum for announcing his campaign:

As Trump weighs running for the presidency for a third time, the implications of the FBI’s foray into Mar-a-Lago for his political fortunes are considerable. Will it boost his status as a martyr, prompting the GOP to rally around him? Or is it the first real sign of myriad legal difficulties, ranging from wire fraud to election tampering in Georgia to the January 6 attack, that could fatally entangle him?

Is this a 'bombshell'? Are the walls closing in (vid) on Trump? Is this the long awaited 'tipping point' that marks the 'beginning of the end' for Trump?

Of course not.

All attempts to get Trump over fake Russiagate claims or other issues have failed. Some 'classified' documents probably found in the possession of the person who, as president, had the power to declassify them will not change anything.

The raid and the accusations will only increase Trump's and his followers determination to win:

The short-term upside for Trump, in any case, is clear. He is now once more the center of political attention at a moment when President Joe Biden was scoring a bunch of victories this past week. Trump, a master showman, will milk the FBI search for all the publicity he can squeeze from it.

The raid was probably the best Trump could have hoped for:

Mr. Trump made clear in his statement that he sees potential political value in the search, something some of his advisers echoed, depending on what any investigation produces.

His political team began sending fund-raising solicitations about the search late on Monday evening.

Even those conservatives who do not like Trump will see the raid as an illegitimate attempt by democrats to prevent another Trump run for the presidency. It is something many will opposed on principal independent of who is targeted.

The White House claims to not have been noticed of the raid. Many people will doubt that.

If Attorney General Merrick B. Garland did not inform the White House he should be fired for political sabotage of the Democrats' campaign. Launching highly political action without informing the boss is a no-no for the Justice Department.

If the White House was informed its hatred for Trump must have pushed it into a very stupid mistake. Allowing the raid at this point of time was the worst thing that could happen to the Democrats.


There is also this conspirish issue:

U.S. Ministry of Truth @USMiniTru - 12:57 UTC · Aug 9, 2022

It's perfectly unsuspicious that the lawyer who defended Jeffrey Epstein is the judge who signed the sealed warrant for the FBI raid on Trump's home.


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@William Gruff | Aug 9 2022 21:18 utc | 99

Voting is to convince the population that what the government does is the voters' fault.
This is indeed true and is not limited to the US. The strategy is quite successful, when I told some colleagues some time ago that I did not intend to vote in our parliamentary election because every party was unacceptable to me in some way (and we have several parties), the comment I got was then I had no right to have any opinion of politics.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2022 21:32 utc | 101

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2022 18:32 utc | 68

Thanks. I get a sense from your post of some form of humanism and historical interpretation that I havent seen or very rarely in the West.

In mind come the progressives with their “1619 Project” and attempts to blame todays racism on all white people who created and profit from all kinds of social constructs attached to “them”, feeding their power structures and oppressing others. We whites are incapable of creating a society that does not oppress others is the working motto.

I find this racist and a form of extremism but are you drawing parallels here? Can you explain a bit more?

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 9 2022 21:35 utc | 102

A search warrant is not a church social, it's an intrusion into someone's personal property. Of course, in the US, that means an extreme show of force, as though everyone is a violent enemy who could go postal in an instant. If a search warrant is a "raid", a "siege", or even a "hit", as someone said, then the same could be said of every search warrant issued in this country. I see no inherent problem with serving a warrant on ANYONE, but the threatening approach used by police (including, I suspect, the FBI) should be the focal point, not the identity of the person involved.

Posted by: T_Reg | Aug 9 2022 21:36 utc | 103

Misuse of government against political opponents will continue until the monster turns on its masters.

This will end only when Republicans use it against Democrats.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Aug 9 2022 21:43 utc | 104


Well hitler was a social engineer (as all totalitarian idealogues are)

You are right, the social constructivist part was a huge part of mussolinis conception of fascism not of hitlers nationalsocialism.

Hitler is a tough nut. Hitlers ideology is harder to conceptualize than most people grasp. Yes, he was a racist. But even his conception of race was not simply biologism but constructed. He went after slavs and jews and gipsies after all. Not exactly what anybody considered a "race". How exactly were german jews (at that time the most assimilated group in german society) biologicaly determined? They werent and hitler most probably knew that.

I know this is in 99% a dead end topic but i see it like that: the main problems of the 20th century idealogies stem from marx. He went for the opressor/opressed distinction and a historic reading of this fight. After that all the ideologies filled in their prefered groups as victims and purpotraters. Hitler built his ideology exactly along those lines: the poor germans opressed by the evil jews in an eternal fight.
Mussolini took the same idea but filled in nation instead of class or race.

And this idea, which i thought to be defeated is now back via wokeness. You fill in race or gender or sexual orientation et voila here is you recepy for breakdown.

I hope i havent opened the same same hitler discussion.

Posted by: Orgel | Aug 9 2022 21:47 utc | 105

As far as the main topic is concerned:

They are just prepping the citizenry all through the West to get used to the eventual arrest and perp-walk, maximally televised, of Trump. Weeping wife and theatrics from others included.

It will be used to break the back of his movement partially through provoking some in violent action and partially through demotivation afterwards by taking out the leader that cant be replaced (oh, many will try). The lesson that was learned from those in custody for Jan 6th (perpetually in jail no access to help) is to deter any violent action. Those that will try will be killed on sight.

Its not like there is no precedent. They have successfully targeted his closest collaborators, some even arrested in night raids, conveniently live televised on CNN. They have broken many precedents to get to him, think of attorney client privilege with his NY lawyer. Or when he tried to stir the pot in Ukraine that become his second impeachment (now we know why that was so important, btw where is that character Windman now?). Think of how they deprived the Canadian truckers of their bank accounts. Think of what they did to Assange or this journalist fella from the UK recently. Or how they got rid of the tea party movement by using the IRS as an attack dog.

Who are “they” you may ask. Those are the 4th branch of government (formerly known as intelligence agencies) with huge unchecked power since 9-11 and access to all our communications. They run the show in the West, almost all public figures (even many criminals and cartels) are owned as there is virtually noone that is beyond their digital means. They have no other mission but self-perpetuation of their priviledged status (made possible by Bush and Obama) and their means are lawfare.

Posted by: alek_a | Aug 9 2022 22:10 utc | 106

@Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2022 20:20 utc | 88

Such a clear statement of the reality, the US elites will never be able to rebuild America, even if it means not saving themselves! I think that Matt Taibbi has it right at least in the headline of his latest "welcome to the third world", when what he means is an utterly corrupted, extractivist and somewhat incompetent elite fighting among themselves over the rentier spoils while the nation and the masses decline. Its up to the Rest, lead by Russia, China and Iran, to carefully extract themselves from this crumbling but still very dangerous empire.

I talked to my sister in the UK and the fears of large sections of the population having to choose between heating, food, rent and transport during this winter is very tangible - even to those like my sister who are more fortunate. All the "basics" which Hudson notes that the Chinese have striven to keep affordable to the masses and western elites have monopolized and manipulated to increase profits stored in tax havens. And the UK seems to be getting a Liz Truss premiership, a lady that makes Margaret Thatcher look nearly soft and cuddly and in comparison an intellectual giant.

It does seem to me that unless the raid on Mar-el-Lago rapidly turns up major crimes by Trump, the event may be seen as the final "Jump the Shark" moment of the delusional deep state actors as any remaining legitimacy of the arms of the state (Justice Department and FBI) and the media is shredded. Even dictators need to maintain some level of legitimacy for the state and the media.

Posted by: Roger | Aug 9 2022 22:13 utc | 107

William Gruff @99--

That's a curious remark. Sounds like something George Carlin might say. I very much doubt the public believes that at all as few would confer 7% confidence on themselves as they do Congress, or the 23% confidence regarding the Presidency. IMO, the public discerns where the problems lie--malgovernance--but is extremely frustrated that it isn't presented with viable choices for solutions. The public then compounds the problem by reelecting all the bad apples like Pelosi, Manchin, etc. So yes, the public shares some of the blame but isn't completely responsible for the current disaster. As someone once quipped, "If God had wanted us to vote, it would have given us candidates."

I recall what Palpatine said to Princess Amidala about the bureaucrats and their being the real font of power in the Republic. Yes it was fiction, but we both know how life is stranger; and when we look at what really controls the federal government, it's certainly not the elected. IMO, Bastiat's truth holds since such a system was emplaced in 1787, "When plunder becomes a way of life, men create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." And as we both know, the settlement of North America was all about plunder--a fact never admitted to but valid more than any other. The public generally wasn't allowed to vote at the beginning. The 1787 Constitution was imposed by an aristocracy who feared democracy just as Bacon did--yet other facts kept hidden from the masses.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2022 22:25 utc | 108

The "Woke," as personified in the Biden regime's numerous apparatchiks and foot soldiers, just can't resist the lure of fascism, in this case harnessing the power of the state and affiliated dark agencies (such as the hijacked FBI) to intimidate innocent Americans. Trump today, ordinary citizens tomorrow. We all know where this path leads. One kind of approved thought, one kind of approved action. Ideational diversity will die, and with it, all the hopes of good and honest progressives and conservatives alike. We must form an alliance to suffocate "Woke" before it creates a Fourth Reich.

Posted by: Jamal | Aug 9 2022 22:35 utc | 109

Many thanks to all weighing in on this weighty subject. Few things are sure today, none perfectly correct. My strategy for now is to stir it all in a pot, boil it down, and see what is left.

Posted by: HelenB | Aug 9 2022 22:46 utc | 110

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

The rules for handling classified documents are very specific and clear, and if Trump slept through that briefing, that is not a valid excuse. The only amazing thing is how long they've taken to do this. If this were an ordinary American, there would have been a battering ram through the door about five minutes after it was realized that classified documents had gone missing.

But, it is funny watching how the "Law and Order" Republicans now suddenly hate Law and Order and how the Boys In Blue suddenly became the Enemy. You guys are starting to sound almost like Radical Leftists. :)

And so, in that vein, here is the actual quote by an actual radical leftist ...

"If voting changed anything, it would be illegal"

The quote is frequently attributed to Emma Goldman, the actual Socialist who was deported from the Land of the Free because of her anti-war political views by the Democrats of those days.

However, that does not appear to be verified, and instead, the quote appears to date to 1960's Yippie activists, with specifically Bob Avakian and 'gonzo-journalist' Travis Hipp getting the credit. Most likely it originated in the 1960's Berkeley activist community where work was often collaborative. Of course, this community is most famous for its opposition to the 'Cancel Culture' of the time and the resulting "Berkeley Free Speech Movement" on campus.

"The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
You can't let on and you can't hang on.
You can't go back, and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you then the lightening will."
-- Grateful Dead "The Wheel"

Yep, live long enough and the wheel of life does turn to the point where you actually do vote Republican and the slogan "Vote Fascist For Peace" appears to actually make some sort of surreal sense, at least this year with Global Nuclear War looming as Two Suns in the Sunset. If you are only allowed to choose between Coke and Pepsi, and the New York Pepsi is putting you into the Emergency Room on life support, then I suppose you do vote Coke just for something different than life support, even if you never could stand the stuff before, not even with so much rum that you could see through the stuff to some sort of reality beyond.

Posted by: Raoul Duke | Aug 9 2022 22:56 utc | 111

The 'climate bill is a joke'. There were so many giveaways to the fossil fuel industry, that trumpeting the bill's passage would be an oxymoron.

Posted by: axel | Aug 9 2022 22:57 utc | 112

Posted by: axel | Aug 9 2022 22:57 utc | 113

no surprise there. money rules, and the fossil fuel industry has billions.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 9 2022 23:04 utc | 113

alek_a @101--

Thanks for your reply. Frederic Bastiat was a Frenchman whose wit isn't limited to those two citations. His fans have constructed a big web presence for him and his works. His politics are unique and very much a product of his age. To confound people, I've been known to call myself a Collectivist Libertarian and argue that humans are a species that's still in its pre-teen years and needs a great deal of maturing when compared to other species and geologic time. Currently, the Outlaw US Empire is a Neoliberal Fantasyland that was infected by that parasite from its outset as I noted in my comment @109. There's a great deal of context and prior knowledge that I've covered here over the last ten years that's very difficult to convey in just a few comments. As to the peopling of North America, and the Europe people were both escaping and being ousted from, The Many Headed Hydra is an excellent place to begin to learn about much that was swept under the rug. I often refer to the Constitutional Convention as a euphemism since what was occurring was a conspiracy to overthrow the current far more democratic government of the USA that had no executive and replace it with an aristocratic controlled structure and system. Swept under the rug was the fact that Madison's notes were never to be made public and only were 50 years afterward.

So, that's just a tad about me and the sort of history and facts I pursue and expose. As for the current seemingly cut-throat nature of today's politics, they're not nearly as bad as earlier episodes during the Federalist Era then the 1850s Antebellum period. Perhaps you recall the duel between Hamilton and Burr that resulted in the former's murder by Burr. One of my pursuits that complements my attempt to formulate the history of Neoliberalism is the insider triumph of Fascism within the federal government after FDR's death, a process that began in parallel with Hitler's rise. Neoliberalism and Fascism are made for each other. And again, the public can't act against something it's unaware of. As was discussed at length during Trump's term, he's just another type of Neoliberal grifter whose crew was just as dangerous as Biden's crew--neither in any sense were fit to govern anything as the facts prove.

As for the Woke phenomenon, Alastair Crooke's been doing an excellent job of exposing the fact that it's nothing new, the current format being the fourth or fifth time its surfaced to serve power in a Machiavellian manner. As for any movement trying to establish genuine justice for the gross injustices of European Colonialism and foundations of modern racism, the place to begin is with the series of Papal Bulls which began in 1479. This Wikipedia Article reviews them all. The Catholic Church has yet to completely apologize and atone for its great sins and centuries of havoc and plunder it enabled and abetted.

That entire Age is now coming to an end and a new Age is beginning, the great challenge being to keep the nukes on the ground unused, and also to keep the bugs in the labs.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2022 23:32 utc | 114

There's a great deal of context and prior knowledge that I've covered here over the last ten years that's very difficult to convey in just a few comments.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2022 23:32 utc | 116

Seems like you have more than enough material and certainly a valuable perspective to offer.... in the form of a book (or three)....

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 9 2022 23:37 utc | 115

@115 "For one thing, the concept of 'free speech' is absurd, since only the voice of a few privileged camps will become heard."

In Hyde Park, London there used to be a place called Speaker's Corner. Anyone brave enough could stand up there and say whatever they liked. Not sure if it still exists. They probably all use twitter now (until they get banned).

Posted by: dh | Aug 10 2022 0:05 utc | 116

karlof1 @109

Of course you are correct! Voting is intended to throw the blame for abuses by the authorities onto the population that is being abused, but that isn't working so great lately, is it?

What has me most surprised is how the Establishment doesn't seem to recognize how badly it is losing traction with the public. Where they do see a problem they seem to always conclude that they just need to do the same thing, only harder, even though that thing is part of what is driving people away from them.

Not that I am complaining, mind you. Watching the death machine spin out of control and self-destruct is highly gratifying.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 10 2022 0:12 utc | 117

Norwegian @100

I get a similar kind of flack for voting for "fringe" candidates whom I know cannot win. Some people like to claim that is the same as voting for whichever candidate they hate the most. It is totally unreasoned and irrational.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 10 2022 0:19 utc | 118

This event was percolating in the back of my mind today, and these are the questions and conclusions I am attempting to reconcile.

Allegedly, investigators had already visited the Trump property previously and sealed the room(s) where Trump's Presidential records were stored. So he can hardly claim this was a surprise ambush out of the blue.

If there was sufficient evidence to issue a warrant to find classified documents, then one or more of the conditions must have been in place:
1. Someone in the Trump WH must have told the FBI or DoJ about document removal
2. The documents contain material that allows them to be tracked
3. The copy machines in the WH track everything that is scanned or printed.

After witnessing Deep State in action, it is entirely possible that Trump took classified materials in order to engage in some future tit-for-tat greenmail/blackmail with Deep State.

But leaving the documents in his own property would be incredibly dumb.

Rex Tillerson was right (he is a moron).

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Aug 10 2022 0:23 utc | 119

@Norwegian #89
You said

All I am saying is that I don't see Trump as providing any solutions to the internal problems in the US, or the external problems that the US is creating in the world, including in my country. I was optimistic about his intentions in 2016, but he proved to be ineffective because of 'poor choices' wrt. people in his administration. He would have to prove much more effective than in his first term, and I simply do not see him being able to do it.

I don't disagree with what you say. What I will note is: Trump clearly has some kind of feeling for regular Americans. Why, we can argue but that he does, is not up for debate.

Does any other American politician demonstrate this? I say no.

To be clear: DeSantis has done a lot of very interesting things - particularly in the context of pushing back against woke bullshit. However, DeSantis' views and future actions internationally is 100% unknown.

So is Trump the savior? Absolutely not.

Is Trump better than the rest of the mainstream alternatives at this moment? Sadly, yes.

At the end of the day, the best choice is the best one available. Trump is one of the available choices - who else is better?

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 10 2022 1:03 utc | 120

none of these politicians have any ethics or morals.. trump sure doesn't, but it's the best the usa has at the moment... things are much the same here in canada... they are generally all self serving narcissists with rare exception... it is hard not to be cynical about the political process... putin in my eyes would be an exception to what i say here....

Posted by: | Aug 10 2022 1:16 utc | 121

@124 Prepare yourself for a barrage of Ukrainian dating sites.

Posted by: dh | Aug 10 2022 1:33 utc | 122

One thing is certain, that is if in 2024 a rethug wins the beauty/liar contest known as 'the prezdency of amerika' it will not be an overhaul of the fbi that results in that agency becoming an objective enforcer of those federal laws which most endanger amerikans.
No, what will happen, particularly if is as likely the rethugs achieve a supermajority on the hill as well, is that the rethugs will 'reform' the fbi in a mirror image of the way that the dems have during their periods of full control.

That is to say there will be some changes at the top of homeland security & justice, anyone who is a partisan dem will be shown the door some rudely some with a golden parachute depending on who knows what about who, a couple of low level agents who did wrong (prolly under instruction from above) will be prosecuted and the majority of the careerist bureaucrats who occupy senior positions will acknowledge which way the wind has blown and devote all future attention to policing neolib pols rather than conservative ones.
For the average citizen little/nothing will change, they will still be ground down and pushed under by a machine dedicated to ensuring that only a few 'lucky' ie closely curated political stances are deemed acceptable.

The only other alteration will be that the rethugs recognise that they can no longer permit the dems to have such control of the tech sector, so that gang of monopolistic robbers will be made to realise that they must kowtow to whichever of tweedledee & tweedledum currently represents the deep state. The usual punishment of new allegedly 'anti-monopoly' regulation combined with the intermittent reinforcement of federal contracts for amazon, M$, meta & alphabet will bring them into line.

In other words censorship will continue, likely increase. The only variable will be what do amerikans do about it? I'm not optimistic.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 10 2022 1:37 utc | 123

To paraphrase Wish You Were Here

So, so you think you can tell FBI from Hell, DOJ from pain.
Can you tell a warrant from a cold steel rail?
A Peter Strozk from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

Wake up USA you have a renovation job to do on the FBI.

Remember Peter Strozk, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe.... These people are the fifth column and you are cursed if you forget and let them go free.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 1:56 utc | 124

@ dh | Aug 10 2022 1:33 utc | 125

lol... thanks dh for lightening my day!


i think it was pat lang who was recommending they get rid of the cia some time ago - he is was cia, so maybe he knows... cia and fbi are like 2 pods in a pea.. not much difference... censorship is here to say.. it is connected to the expansion of technology and how someone thinks they have to control all this.. that is my 2cs on it..

Posted by: james | Aug 10 2022 2:16 utc | 125

Trump doesn't have Bill Barr to cover up his crimes anymore. He's a sitting duck.

Posted by: paperlesstiger | Aug 10 2022 2:34 utc | 126

james #128

cia and fbi are like 2 pods in a pea.. not much difference...


Two peas in a pod? Maybe two balls in a scrotum.

I think you had a late night out with the band and today is a bad post day. We all suffer from it occasionally.

Stay well and happy email switching.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 2:44 utc | 127

uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 2:44 utc | 130

Two pods in a pea sounds about right for the US 'intelligence' community :)

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 2:53 utc | 128

Thinking about the recent elimination of Trump. (optimistically speaking)

Does this clear the way for Pete Buttigieg?:/

I doubt it, but it sure as hell poses a dire problem for the repugnants.
Both parties are dominated by gerontocracy and stupidity.

One thing for sure, there will be no good outcome for the voters unless there is a radical move to some class act independent. (optimistically speaking of course)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 2:53 utc | 129

Peter AU1 #131

Two pods in a pea sounds about right for the US 'intelligence' community :)

Too right it does.

On that note, a beer is in order.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 3:00 utc | 130

oh god we went from Kodos vs Kang in 2016 to Kang vs Ang in 2024.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 3:51 utc | 131

It’s a big club.
And Trump ain’t in it.

The dogs are loose.
There is no way Trump will ever be let back in office.

No use connecting threads between corrupt judges and Epstein
They are all connected to Epstein.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Aug 10 2022 5:32 utc | 132

Lysias [66]

There is always a tame judge to sign Search Waarants for Intelligence Services like FBI. Formality and FBI has form in faking applications as with FISA surveillance

As for the weird comment made by some individual about Bill Barr we should recall he was a CIA lawyer and son of an OSS man who became head teacher of Dalton School where he hired Epstein as an unqualified teacher

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 10 2022 6:25 utc | 133

For all you guys claiming that this is the "best thing" that could have happened to Trump, please explain to me why you think Trump is too stupid to have set up a false flag that would guarantee these results.

Posted by: Fiji Refugee | Aug 10 2022 6:34 utc | 134

Daniel [86]

Trump was a real-estate developer. He ran a family business which was small. Anything else was contracted or subcontracted. He did not run a corporation hiring lots of management. Trump is like Richard Branson sticking Virgin labels on joint-vesntures.

Trump coordinated through lawyers and financiers.

That is why he could not staff his administration. When Obama took office he was given a list of his staff by The Council on Foreign Relations. It was pre-ordained.

Just as Cameron instructed British Civil Service to make NO preparation for losing the BreXit Referendum, no one made preparations for a Trump win.

As for FBI it combines Domestic Policing with Counter-Intelligence which is like old KGB

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 10 2022 6:34 utc | 135

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that all around the western world politicians are playing to lose. Who wants the poisoned chalice of winning and actually being in charge? Being in opposition is so much easier, and just as lucrative, and no need to deal with the imploding economy, starving, freezing, huddled masses and insurrection. Just the usual flinging of monkey poo from the sidelines which is actually quite good fun.

If this thesis is right, it explains the Biden nomination and his ludicrous election campaign. Imagine the shock when they won! The only downside to this idea is that it means there was no intentional election fraud by the Democrats, which would be disappointing (we all like a good conspiracy theory ).

Regarding Trump's house search, cui bono? If nothing is found...could Trump have instigated it himself?

Posted by: Occasional poster | Aug 10 2022 7:49 utc | 136

Biden was drafted. The Democrat donor fear was Bernie Sanders and they wanted a safe pair of hands to block him so went to the old corruptible Biden

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 10 2022 8:24 utc | 137

In the contest of two war criminals hopefully the US empire splits apart at the centre as the world cheers.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Aug 10 2022 8:46 utc | 138

c1ue | Aug 9 2022 18:38 utc | 71
Robert Barnes is a piece of work.He represented Alex Jones in the Sandy Hook defamation trial, was discharged and was then described by Jones new lawyer as badly botching document discovery in the cases, an issue that has plagued InfoWars and prompted accusations from the parent's lawyers that Barnes was deliberately sabotaging the process. His performance was so incompetent that Jones new lawyers were considering bringing a malpractice suit against him. That the Duranist would have this clown commenting any anything remotely legal speaks volumes for their lack of credibility.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Aug 10 2022 9:08 utc | 139

Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 9 2022 14:37 utc | 11
Posted by: Roger | Aug 9 2022 18:51 utc | 75

What I am interested in is HOW is China dumping the US bonds. Selling for what? Well, for dollars. What do they do with those dollars? Not many options. They have a trade surplus so not for importing goods. Buying ECB bonds? Some European countries bonds? Gold?

Posted by: RB | Aug 10 2022 9:08 utc | 140

james | Aug 10 2022 2:16 utc | 128

I looked up Odessa on youtube, I cant remember exactly but it was just before or just into the Russia SMO. Many very female looking young female specimens looking for an overseas partner/hubby. You might be onto a good thing. Get in quick though. Ukraine passed a law to conscript them to the killing fields. The fuckin shit we bring upon the world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 9:28 utc | 141

I’d like to go back to the Saker’s comments which I posted earlier in this thread (from the transcript of his talk with Michael Hudson) that from his vantage point in Florida, DeSantis has no need for the Feds. With respect to the raid on Mar-a-Lago, could these local Floridian elites be behind the fire in Cuba? Perhaps that is what the FBI is searching for, evidence of that? Look, the US will answer to international powers like any other nation, and it is possible that outside pressure forced the raid by the FBI.

Reminder - Trump designates Cuba a state sponsor of terrorism

Coverage of the fire in Cuba -

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 10 2022 9:38 utc | 142

And we should also remember Trump’s loyalty to Israel, perhaps again, outside pressure (hypothetically speaking, from a place like, say, Russia) forced the raid of Mar-a-Lago by the FBI for evidence of collusion or involvement.

MK Bhadrakumar included some comments on Israel in his recent piece on the Putin-Erdogan meeting in Sochi:

“Russia’s ties with Israel have sharply deteriorated lately due to Israel’s involvement in Ukraine as a participant in Pentagon’s “coalition of the willing”. Moscow is probably expelling the hugely influential Jewish Agency, which has kept an office in Moscow since the Gorbachev era. (See my article With eye on the CIA, Moscow cracks the whip at Israel.)

Moscow’s criticism of Israeli missile strikes against Syria has noticeably sharpened lately. Russian-Israeli relations will languish for the foreseeable future. Israel seems acutely conscious of its growing isolation. President Isaac Herzog reached out to Putin today to discuss the closure of Jewish Agency, but it turned out to be an inconclusive conversation. Moscow will be extra-vigilant, given the Biden Administration’s strong intelligence nexus with Israeli Prime Minister Yair Lapid. The fact that Lapid avoided calling Putin speaks for itself.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 10 2022 9:46 utc | 143

Paul McGrory #142

That the Duranist would have this clown commenting any anything remotely legal speaks volumes for their lack of credibility.

Yep. Robert Barnes is a very rare pos - a totally incompetent and untrustworthy pos. And he is not even employed by the CIA (perhaps).

The Duran sure blew it big time here.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 9:54 utc | 144

RB #143


Well gold has more durable value that a dollar. Given that the east has enough real gold to manipulate the value then it could be a better value for them. That is what De Gaul did with US dollars - bought gold immediately and stashed it.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 10 2022 9:59 utc | 145

How likely is it that events will unfold as follows?

The "unthinkable" or the likelihood of a violent seizure by the "deep state" of power in the United States and the establishment of it. dictatorships.

Looking at the current state of American politics, especially ahead of the upcoming November congressional elections, I think many were asking a simple question: "What are the Democrats counting on, an outpost of the" deep state "in the United States, pursuing their policies that have led to runaway inflation, energy and immigration crisis, racial and gender issues within American society, another attempt to disarm white rednecks?
Polls show only 30% support for Biden, and questions about his apparent dementia are no longer being asked only by Republicans and independent voters, but also by a large number of voters who support Democrats.
Putting Biden on a well-deserved rest and replacing him with Camilla Harris also looks problematic, with a 37% approval rating and her already-to-be-talk of irresistible stupidity.
It may even seem that the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner and they have practically no chance in the upcoming elections in November, and in the future, if the same policy is continued, in the presidential elections of 2024.
Moreover, if the Democrats' loss of congressional elections this year can still be offset through the activities of RINO (Republicans in name only), numerous agents of the "deep state" in the ranks of the conservatives, then the arrival of Trump or a pro-Trumpist to the presidency in 2024 can make it very difficult for the Democrats to hold its policy, which at the decisive stage of the struggle for world domination with Russia and China, can be fatal. Moreover, Trump is actively cleaning the ranks of the Republicans, getting rid of many who stained themselves with betrayal during their presidency.
At the same time, the Democrats are absolutely not trying to alleviate the situation, despite falling ratings and continue to deepen the split in American society, and, despite all the fierce criticism and resistance of Trump's Republicans, they are moving forward their agenda. In other words, they deliberately radicalize and chaoticize the situation within the United States (as well as throughout the world).
The explanation for all this, in my opinion, is that in the plans of the Democrats, the upcoming elections do not matter.
One can, of course, assume that by saturating the country with migrants (which is now actively happening) and changing the legislation on the procedure in their favor (voting by mail and unattended boxes), as well as the "correct" remote counting of the results, will allow the Democrats to win, as it is happened in the 2020 elections. This tested option can be called plan A. But when it is implemented, if the level of support for Biden and democratic politics is at the level of 20-30%, then this result is unlikely to be perceived by voters as reliable.
What worked in 2020 may not work in 2024.
In addition, acting by constitutional methods, it is necessary to take into account the time factor. With Trump’s Republicans stubbornly continuing to resist the “deep state” (in other words, if the US elites do not agree among themselves), time will work against the Democrats, which, I repeat, can seriously interfere with plans in the geopolitical confrontation with the alliance of Russia and China.
In addition, constitutional procedures may delay the process of disarming the rednecks for many years.
And here, in my opinion, we can talk about the radical plan B of the "deep state".
If the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed.
This plan, in my opinion, includes three alternatives.
The first is the prosecution of Trump, which we are witnessing today at the regular hearings on the events of January 6, 2021 ("Storm of the Capitol").
But, Trump's "landing" can only rally the ranks of his followers, and by nominating a new leader (Ron DeSantis), resistance will continue.
The second is the physical elimination of the "authoritarian and racist" Trump by America's "patriot" either through his poisoning or an unexpected fatal illness. But this method, especially the first option with direct murder, is rather crude, and for the same reason as with the "landing", there will be a consolidation of the Republicans under the sacred banner of memory of "the innocently murdered last Republican patriot of America."
The third way to "turn the table" is the most sophisticated, but it has also been used more than once in the history of the United States in various variations and is known as a false flag operation.
This method consists in the assassination or attempted assassination of Biden himself by a white "redneck" who has "undeniable ties" with the Republicans.
In this case, future events can be predicted.
The controlled media, which has an overwhelming advantage over the pro-Republicans, is raising a howl this time at the "innocently murdered (or attempted murder) democratically elected president by Trump's fascists."
Trump's Republicans, under this endless howl, turn out to be justified and disorganized (all the more so the ground has already been prepared by the events of a similar false flag operation on January 6, 2021 "Storming the Capitol").
The crime of Trump's Republicans is so obvious and monstrous that they are outlawed. A state of emergency is declared ("Democracy in mortal danger"). All dissent is prohibited. Decrees are being passed on the seizure of weapons from the Rednecks and the prohibition of the Republican Party, or its total cleansing of "trapping elements". All of today's problems and crises in the United States are leaving the information space. Trump is remembered for all his “Kremlin ties” and branded as an agent of Russia, which may be accused of organizing, or at least instigating, the assassination. There is an indefinite cancellation of elections and a usurpation of power by the “deep state”, which is gaining visibility in the United States and the necessary unity of command in the global confrontation with Russia and China.
Of course, the latter option today seems too radical and "inconceivable", but, recalling the events of September 11, 2001, similar to the "deep state false flag" operation, it can hardly be called improbable in my opinion.

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Aug 10 2022 10:04 utc | 146

"...The 1787 Constitution was imposed by an aristocracy who feared democracy just as Bacon did--yet other facts kept hidden from the masses."

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2022 22:25 utc | 111

I am sorry you believe this, karlof1. I think you are transposing far too much of our present day corruption upon the motives of the traditional founders of the US republic. It may be that modern day movie themes are not the best truth telling vehicles, any more than video games are. They are products of our times, geared to the same moneymaking schemes as infect current day political power plays.

Socrates probed the sophists of his day, so named because they sought to be paid for their rhetorical arguments. He never did that, preferring to wander the streets of Athens gathering young followers by means of dialectic, for the good of the state -- and that was the danger he presented to the ruling class of his day. The founders were men of the same breed as Abraham Lincoln, FDR, John Kennedy. Even many of the lesser presidents like Carter, Ford, Eisenhower. Money, wealth aggrandizement, was not their aim, as it has presently become. Same for Congress. Same for the Supreme Court. They tried to improve government. Sure, maybe some could do that because they already had the means, and many made bad mistakes along the way - but that corruption of achieving wealth accumulation was not their obsession as it has now become.

Of course those early Constitutional pioneers had flaws - they were human. They did their best to promote good government as they recognized the need, I believe, giving their lives to that ideal. And like it or not, what motivates those who presently motivate us stems from that same dedication.

If we can't see it we will have nothing upon which to place any reconstruction of this country's government. It's foolish to think we can emulate either Russia or China. For crying out loud, they themselves are in part emulating the best ideals of our own history! In part, because they each seek what is good in their own traditions to serve their people best.

We need to go our own way,as they have done, and extract the good from our own past to build on. And this is why that FBI raid on a previous president is such a reprehensible act, no matter what he may represent in our own assessment. It is simply a continuation of what we decried during Trump's own presidency - an attack on that institution itself. Something Trump did not do when he first came into office.

This is what the people see - greed motivated individuals attacking their instituted government. It's not about the flawed individuals involved; it is about the state, which is us, the people. We are being attacked; we are being raided; we are losing our rights.

Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!

Posted by: juliania | Aug 10 2022 10:34 utc | 147

RB [143]

You are clearly not a Financier.
Bond traders move in and out of currencies for spread and can run back-to-back and other swaps

It is not like buying a Savings Bond from an S&L or broker

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 10 2022 10:52 utc | 148

So there are more voters repulsed by a search warrant executed on someone well known to be recognized at not honoring requests from law enforcement than there are voters happy to see the system working normally, that is, after informal requests being ignored, a warrant is legally obtained.
Got it.

Posted by: Hart Liss | Aug 10 2022 10:53 utc | 149

Trump is back centerstage, just as he likes it. Republican and Conservative henceforth shall mean Brand Trump. Therestive masses will stop thinking about anything and, cap in hand, offer their adulation to their Hero. Not such a bad plan for those who know perfectly well how to manage Trump.

The judge has Epstein connections? So does Trump.

2024, if we get that far, will be Hillary/Trump redux. Hillary will be mainly represented by the body doubles. The body doubles will have the election stolen for them.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 10 2022 11:31 utc | 150

juliana @ 150

Or — perhaps you, including the people offended by mistreatment of institutions, are just being held to account. By the world outside the bubble of exceptionalism of the USA. Sometimes raiders get raided.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 10 2022 11:32 utc | 151

It's surprising that no one has yet connected this to the overarching goal of all US policy - to preserve and enhance the US dollar as the world reserve currency.

The irony is that the US dollar cannot remain the world reserve currency forever.

How do US elites square this? To the extent that they're aware at all, they just hope to kick the can yet again. Ideally it becomes someone else's problem. "Après nous, le déluge."

Regardless of whether Trump runs or wins in 2024, there are only two ways out for the US: violent revolution, or economic collapse followed by violent revolution.

Catastrophe is inevitable. Le déluge attend. It's just a matter of when.

Posted by: Cynica | Aug 10 2022 11:48 utc | 152

Cynica @ 155

You assume the rest of the world will simply allow violent revolution in the USA. That’s what it means to not be exceptional anymore. Others will have a say in what you are allowed to do.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 10 2022 11:58 utc | 153

It's surprising that no one has yet connected this to the overarching goal of all US policy - to preserve and enhance the US dollar as the world reserve currency.

How do US elites square this? To the extent that they're aware at all, they just hope to kick the can yet again. Ideally it becomes someone else's problem. "Après nous, le déluge."

Regardless of whether Trump runs or wins in 2024, there are only two ways out for the US: violent revolution, or economic collapse followed by violent revolution.

Catastrophe is inevitable. Le déluge attend. It's just a matter of when.

Posted by: Cynica | Aug 10 2022 11:48 utc | 155

I am fairly sure that around 80% of the planet thinks that that is great, shoulda happened a lot sooner.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 10 2022 12:07 utc | 154

@Bruised Northerner #156

That assumes the rest of the world would be able to prevent violent revolution in the US. This commenter thinks that would be very unlikely at best.

Posted by: Cynica | Aug 10 2022 12:08 utc | 155

Posted by: gottlieb | Aug 9 2022 14:44 utc | 14

It's not so much that I disagree with your depiction of the US, but I wonder about your motivation. Only 2 other nations in the world besides the US are sovereign, meaning that they can defend themselves without, ahem, benefactors. They are China and Russia. All other countries are infantile invalids, requiring constant daycare services from these 3. So only a representative of these 3 countries has any relevant gripe against the others--the rest are all just hapless vassals, like being hapless vassals, and will never again be anything but hapless vassals. So are you from a hapless vassal realm or from China/Russia?

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Aug 10 2022 12:17 utc | 156

Cynica @ 158

You underestimate the rest of the world (which is normal behaviour in an exceptionalist environment). And your own citizens and elites.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Aug 10 2022 12:39 utc | 157

It would be very helpful if Bruised Northerner @160 could elaborate on whatever his point is. Until then, this commenter will perceive him as simply being offended (bruised, maybe) by this commenter's statements - which is not this commenter's problem, and certainly will not change this commenter's mind.

Posted by: Cynica | Aug 10 2022 12:42 utc | 158

'Only 2 other nations in the world besides the US are sovereign,'

I guess those two are Cuba, Iran and Venezuela

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 12:56 utc | 159

forgot north korea.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 12:59 utc | 160

Trump was a real-estate developer. He ran a family business which was small. Anything else was contracted or subcontracted.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 10 2022 6:34 utc

That's a kid-gloves assessment of Trump and his ancestors. Trump's grandfather was a Bavarian draft dodger, expelled and later refused re-entry to his homeland. Fredrick Trump then made a lot of money running brothels (sorry, "restaurants") during the Gold Rush.

The family eventually became successful slum landlords (sorry, real estate barons) in New York. Trump just took the family-biz upscale, casinos, hotels and universities going bankrupt must make more money than cheap residential or commercial real estate.

I guess the Trump PR agencies are back to soft-selling the Trump family past for US sheeple consumption pre-midterms, setting up for another run for the Oval Office.

There are only one of two potential reasons for getting things as wrong as most politicians and bureaucrats seem to accomplish.

Incompetence or corruption.

Neither should be present in those occupying positions of great power. And what begins as incompetence apparently often morphs into corruption in the powerful.

But it doesn't matter which came first or persists, and in what combination. Unsuitable to hold power. Agreement incapable.

Power tends to corrupt, etc.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 10 2022 13:04 utc | 161

'Only 2 other nations in the world besides the US are sovereign,'

I guess those two are Cuba, Iran and Venezuela

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 10 2022 12:56 utc

The easiest indicator of US vassal-hood is whether the country's central bank is Rothschild-controlled or not.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 10 2022 13:06 utc | 162

Only a copilot on the Lolita Express can rescue us from QAnon and Pizzagate.

Posted by: Rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 13:37 utc | 163

@ Posted by: Orgel | Aug 9 2022 21:47 utc | 107

Hitler is a tough nut. Hitlers ideology is harder to conceptualize than most people grasp. Yes, he was a racist. But even his conception of race was not simply biologism but constructed. He went after slavs and jews and gipsies after all. Not exactly what anybody considered a "race".

Sorry for getting off topic and replying late but I think this is worth responding to because these kinds of ideas show up often on this website now.

In Europe today, people still identify Slavs, Jews, and Roma/"Gypsies" (Gypsy's the politically incorrect term, sorry to be PC) as separate races even when they're EUrophiles, and racism against Roma people is still a major problem in Europe. This is different than the Anglo conception which sometimes sees three races: whites, Asians, and Africans (historically Slavs were often considered Asian by Anglo racists). You can find examples of what the Nazis thought were biological traits and essences of Jewishness all throughout Nazi propaganda. They infamously tried to measure these traits, e.g. skull and nose sizes, with calipers. They viewed these things "scientifically," in the sense that they believed it emerged from nature - not social engineering - and that it was the duty of society to cohere with the supposed natural order of aryan supremacy.

It was the conservatives, reactionaries, and Nazis in Germany (Italy is weird - let's ignore it) who opposed left-wing "social engineers" in line with the conservative doctrine that came into vogue post-war in the Anglo countries, e.g. von Hayek's screeds on "social engineering." The conservatives post-war took up the ideological signification of the "naturalness" of e.g. the free market or the "natural aristocracy" (Thomas Jefferson's term) of the bourgeoisie. This idea that a certain social configuration is "natural" is inherently tied to the Nazi movement more than any kind of social constructionism, but it's especially this idea that the Nazis and conservatives share, that there is a naturally emerging ruling class and that this "natural aristocracy" not only deserves to rule, but should if social breakdown is to be avoided. In Italy, the proto-fascist Vilfredo Pareto tried to formulate this as a natural statistical law.

the main problems of the 20th century idealogies stem from marx. He went for the opressor/opressed distinction and a historic reading of this fight

I disagree and I find this is a common conservative talking point. Marx of course didn't discover oppression. Many economists - not even necessarily socialists - before Marx noted that relations between the working class and the ruling class are antagonistic and that state force is necessary to keep the ruling class in power over the revolutionary mass of workers. The fact that there are oppressors and oppressed motivated the French revolution and the overthrow of the Bourbon monarchy. At the same time, women came to understand that they were being oppressed even at the level of the family, hence Mary Wollstonecraft's publication of the Vindication of the Rights of Woman around the same time. The oppression of the individual by society's institutions in general - and this is a liberal notion, not a Marxist one - goes back to Wollstonecraft's husband, William Godwin, at least in the English speaking world (the idea itself is as old as written language, possibly as old as humanity). Consciously waged class antagonism goes back at least as far as Spartacus, and the grievances of the slaves were not imaginary or the result of some foreign germ spreading discontent. They emerged out of the everyday lives of slaves and slavers.

Marx doesn't introduce this concept nor does he make it as simple as, say, racist nationalists like J. Sakai in "Settlers" want it to be to simply replace class categories with racial ones (nor does the idea of racial oppression emerge from Marx - every nationalist in history has "discovered" national oppression independently of one another; meanwhile racial oppression has been outright advocated in settler-colonial societies from time immemorial, e.g. Jewish supremacy in occupied Palestine, or white supremacy on the American frontier). For Marx, the ruling class has power because it commands labor - the living reproduction of society - and appropriates the labor surplus from the activity of the working class. This can be racialized and gendered, as in a white supremacist patriarchy (think about America in 1960), but it's never explainable on racial or gender-based terms on their own, so I reject the idea that it's "Marxist" to simply pose the existence of oppressors and oppressed any sense. Marx analyzed a specific mode of oppression and this analysis is not neatly transferable.

I say all this because I think Marx's ideas are necessary in order to really, scientifically, understand the conflicts that animate our society, and you shouldn't be afraid of him or his ideas. Conservatives who want to maintain the status quo with its class distinctions and various modes of oppression want you to be afraid of analyzing things in terms of the conflicts that they really are, but it is far more dangerous to think there is no conflict between oppressor and oppressed or that these distinctions are the invention just of troublemakers.

Again, sorry for posting so tangential to the topic of the thread, but I don't think anyone can even understand the major political conflicts in the US without some Marxist class analysis, at least not without falling into bourgeois liberal/conservative ideological mystification.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 10 2022 14:16 utc | 164

cia and exxon, come and save us from the WWF Raw globalists that Trump is against!

so pompey didn't let MAGA Hostess Ding Dong King Don in on the russiagate psyop because of what a complete fucking moron trump is, right?


oh no, what we really need to save us from the reagan/thatcherite globalists is another golf course in saudi arabia. because the saints at Augusta, GA have strong beliefs, like not watching tiger woods w/some POS like him around who might grab your daughter's tits. (same is true of trump's BFF bill clinton.)

save us trump! you and orban! our only hope. don't let wall street bankers who've financed your entire career ruin the dream of Amerikkka!!!!! who else will save from the mexicans and jews?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 15:07 utc | 165

Orgel | Aug 9 2022 21:47 utc | 107
reading the general comments from old and new on this thread, why is anyone surprised that Hitlerism is resurgent?

since voting means nothing, certainly not for POTUS, discussion around candidates, like voting itself, is a pure form of fact free baseless self-projection. it's a "mirror up to nature."

how many people's ideal self, the self they would be in power, is donald trump? (please no bs about joe biden because you are a sucker for the two party con act.)

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 15:18 utc | 166

the two powers that run this country, the cia and the oil industry, came as close as they may ever get to actually sitting in the big chair in the oval office when trump was potus.

Trump - Eric Adams 2024!

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 15:22 utc | 167

Of course, the latter option today seems too radical and "inconceivable", but, recalling the events of September 11, 2001, similar to the "deep state false flag" operation, it can hardly be called improbable in my opinion.

Posted by: Nebo Sinee | Aug 10 2022 10:04 utc | 149

That Biden scenario reads very well and is indeed better than the others. Thanks for thinking the unthinkable for us!

@Juliana #150. Thank you for so thoughtful and fundamentally decent an expression. Too many of us do indeed get caught by the personal and the particular, or enamored of an over-arching theory or ideology, that we miss the forest for the trees.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 10 2022 15:25 utc | 168

juliania @150--

When you read their diaries and letters, the Founders fear of democracy is revealed. As I wrote, much of importance is swept under the rug, and I'm not captured by presentism. Serious historians have long been aware of those facts. The glorification of the 1787 Constitution is part of a longstanding Establishment Narrative that also glorifies and raises to the level of Biblical Prophets those named as Founders. I again refer to Bastiat's line about the creation of a system of plunder. It may appear that I'm advocating Woke ideas but that's not the case whatsoever. Excellent reasons for dissenting from the Narrative have always existed going back to the contemporary times with those known as Anti-Federalists, and to freeholders trying to make a living on that Era's frontier who were forced to revolt against the new system as it aimed to destroy their livelihoods.

Trump had his chance to do the right thing by investigating and arresting the Clinton Gang, but he refused; and in that process, he would have netted the Biden Gang too. The Swamp/Deep State is a criminal cabal that must be disempowered. The public realizes that which is why so many voted for Trump--he said all the right things but failed miserably in his actions, along with those he appointed--Trump vowed to drain the Swamp then appointed its creatures to high positions!!!! IMO, that sealed the fate of his term and set him up for failure. Yes, he also made other grave mistakes that hurt the public that supported him. But the Ds are just as bad if not worse, and that's the huge dilemma that faces the public.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2022 16:08 utc | 169

"The White House claims to not have been noticed of the raid".

And I could believe it. They operate on a "need to know bases" for nearly anything since Biden himself cannot be trusted with policy matter unless you hand over a idiot proof script. But when the "White House" is told, it would be lawless to keep important things away from the Office of the President. The law dictates you can't keep important stuff away when it's routed through the White House. Which explains why this and other matters will never be routed to the White House.

This is of course the opposite of how a democratic republic should function. If there was any doubt some of that was still functioning.

Posted by: John Dowser | Aug 10 2022 16:21 utc | 170

Posted by: Roger | Aug 9 2022 19:33 utc | 84

Good analysis, though I'd quibble with 2 things

1. Capitalist divide: all Big Capital once supported GOP, but coastal elites got scared by the influence of the Religious Right, so Clintons were able to peel off some sectors (Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and some (non-WASP?) Wall Street). Since then, GOP is more dependent on Extractive Industries (Oil/Gas/Coal, Mining, and Big Ag (modern Ag is "extractive")). This explains GOP tilt toward AGW denial in the last decade. Big Pharma & other Med-related companies prefer Democrats social liberalism but are mortally afraid of any moves toward National Health, so they fund both sides.

2. There is no *single* "Deep State", there are separate "Deep States" with very different motivations. US Foreign Policy Deep State ("the Borg") is heavily influenced by pro-Israel money; this explains most of the worst things we've done in the last few decades. Internal Security agencies (FBI + many others) were historically GOP patronage havens (J. Edgar Hoover...), while Democrats populated Education & other socially-oriented Departments. In recent years, GOP has gotten so crazy that the Democratic Party is starting to look like The Grown-ups, so GOP is losing influence in FBI, etc (though Border Patrol is still theirs). This change is even more pronounced in the Military. GOP is furious about this loss of control over key Agencies, so they are howling about it. Bonus: Treasury is run by NeoCons who burrowed in at the end of the Cheney Regime; fear/love of AIPAC causes Democrats to leave them there.

Posted by: elkern | Aug 10 2022 16:24 utc | 171

@ karlof1 | Aug 10 2022 16:08 utc | 172

what you say rings true karlof1... thanks for articulating all that in your response to juliania...

there seems to be this human tendency to glorify and mythologize the past... this leads to all sorts of wrongheadedness...

Posted by: james | Aug 10 2022 16:24 utc | 172

Ford 167

Bravo, sir. Well said. Bourgeois liberal/conservative mystification is an excellent phrase.

Posted by: Dermotmoconnor | Aug 10 2022 16:46 utc | 173

On the question what china may buy with all their reserve dollars. I would assume they will be invested in their new brics+ reserve currency. Would be logical, wouldnt it?

Posted by: Orgel | Aug 10 2022 16:57 utc | 174

james @175--

Thanks for your reply. When I was growing up in the 1960s, we were taught the fable of Washington and the Cherry Tree to which he confessed felling since he "cannot tell a lie." Why do you think such a lie was taught to children? He was also painted as Father of the country--always capitalized like God. Contemporarily, the Myth of Cincinnatus was devised as an argument that Washington would never usurp his Presidential powers and become the King so many feared would be produced by the Constitution. Again, the reason behind any Narrative is to obscure, to sweep something deemed unacceptable under the rug, so the Establishment can get what it wants. Very few nations have matured to the point where they've learned that honesty is the only correct path, and the same can be said about humans and their societies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2022 17:15 utc | 175

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2022 21:32 utc | 102

i get the same message here in the western parts of Norway😂
I usually just look at them and shake my head, then i ask them "what have become better since 1971", how have their beloved politicians kept their promises?
then i say i am not dumb enough to give my concent to let the same proven liars keep stealing our natural treasures like "you voting sheeps" are.
That usually do the trick, they shut up.
Some even start to use their brains...

Posted by: Per/Norway | Aug 10 2022 17:36 utc | 176

karlof1 | Aug 10 2022 17:15 utc | 178
"When I was growing up in the 1960s, we were taught the fable of Washington and the Cherry Tree to which he confessed felling since he "cannot tell a lie".

True story but very OT.

The small daughter of an US friend was told at school about the cherry tree and how it had been cut down by "George Washington".
Once back home her father then asked her, "and who is George Washington?".
The small girl thought very hard and said "well, he's not in MY class".

PS, sorry b, just couldn't resist telling this.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 10 2022 17:45 utc | 177

Stonebird @180--

Thanks for relating that bit of lore. Yet another example of the failure by teachers to link past events with today's to show why learning history is important. Of course, the teacher probably is incapable of making the connection, which shows how poor teacher training is.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2022 17:53 utc | 178

one day very soon the PTB in the USG will be scrubbing quotes from JFK off the walls of the Kennedy Center in Washington DC.

why? whatever JFK was in reality, Americans cannot be allowed to think that a president was literate and sometimes eloquent but more so that he sometimes expressed sentiments about the arts containing a hopeful universalism. nope. thoughtcrime. like classic star trek and TNG. america doesn't want that peaceful future bullshit.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 18:14 utc | 179

...the comment I got was then I had no right to have any opinion of politics.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 9 2022 21:32 utc | 102

i get the same message here in the western parts of Norway
Posted by: Per/Norway | Aug 10 2022 17:36 utc | 179

What those people don't understand is that your not voting IS your opinion of politics. It's like an answer on multiple choice quiz question - 'E. none of the above'.

I vote Rødt (Red) here in the north because the Rødt party is the furthest left we have. It has Marxist/socialist goals. Because there are fewer people up here and
social values have been less corrupted that in the more populated south and west of the country, recent elections have brought Rodt representation in local government which has influenced local school policy, senior care, and budgets. We came very close a few year ago to having a Marxist mayor here in Tromsø, the 'Paris of the north'.
(btw, Red and Blue in Norway are the opposite of what they are in the US)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 10 2022 18:35 utc | 180

here's a real Palantir's gayz into Trump, a real tool of Saruman and the Dark Lord that needs to be accounted for. Speaking at the nominating convention.

good thing paypal and FB aren't part of the global wwf mafia. there's not even one twist or turn in the straight line between Davos and Mar A Lago. not to even get into paypay and ukraine.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 18:37 utc | 181

rjb1.5 | August 10, 2022 at 18:37
you do know that the global jewish conspiracy is so tricksy that Sheldon Adelson is Trump's biggest supporter?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 18:39 utc | 182

rjb1.5 | August 10, 2022 at 18:39
Trump filled every position with ardent Zionists because he's the real 11th dimensional chess player, unlike that fake chess player Obama who did the exact same thing. Trump keeps his enemies closer and alienates or betrays all his allies because he's like Odysseus, great tactician. i know when i hear him talk, i feel myself descending thru rabid dogs to the underworld for a feast of blood and twice-told tall tales. hard is the ascent...

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 18:46 utc | 183

Thanks very much, Scorpion | Aug 10 2022 15:25 utc | 171. I think I have the advantage over many who had early experience with the 'folk tales' about Founding Fathers as karlof1 describes his childhood history lessons. I never had that. I came to the US as a teenager, went to college near Washington, a liberal arts college that featured readings and seminars on writings of the founders (small 'f') in our senior year. No cherry tree stuff, no glorifications, just what they said and wrote.

I did not decide to become a citizen until midway through Clinton's terms of office, ironically. I will just say it took a while for me to wise up to what was happening right then, and I even was hoodwinked by Obama. For a moment (and it was only a moment) I thought he was going to right the ship. Fool that I was. Fools that so many of us were. What a glorious moment that was - I could not believe he would betray all those youthful admirers (I was beyond youthful but even so I hadn't realized what greed does to people, how it corrupts, how endemic it was.) Smoke gets in your eyes, all I can say. And still I think, that man could have become a new Lincoln, had he had faith in his own popularity. It was in his grasp. He threw that away, turned his back on history.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 10 2022 19:16 utc | 184

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2022 16:08 utc | 172

Thanks for your response - you make good points about Trump - in many ways he also was a disappointment to those who voted hoping for better from him, though I think he illustrated the deep rot that has permeated both parties; the dems shot themselves in the foot by their refusal to make room for him to create a credible presidency. We'll never really know what he might have been able to do.

Here's the central thesis of the small account I was referencing earlier on the open forums, "Founding Brothers; the Revolutionary Generation":

:..the shape and character of the political institutions were determined by a relatively small number of leaders who knew each other, who collaborated and collided with one another in patterns that replicated at the level of personality and ideology the principle of checks and balances imbedded structurally in the Constitution.
Mostly male, all white, this collection of public figures was hardly typical of the population as a whole; nor was it, on the other hand, a political elite like any thing that existed in England or Europe. All of its members, not just those like Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton with famously impoverished origins, would have languished in obscurity in England or France. The pressures and exigencies generated by the American Revolution called out and gathered together their talents; no titled and hereditary aristocracy was in place to block their ascent; and no full-blown democratic culture had yet emerged to dull their elitist edge. They were America's first and in many respects its only natural aristocracy... they comprised, by any informed and fair-minded standard, the greatest generation of political talent in American history...they got us from the short run to the long run..."

Strong stuff, admittedly, but in examining the presidential process through the early years after the Constitutional Congress I think Ellis makes his points fairly, even though he published this work at the beginning of this century, when many of us were perhaps too satisfied with how the nation was holding up after the assassinations of our younger years, Vietnam and the Reagan presidency. In hindsight our complacency was not wellfounded.

Yes - we do need to examine the letters and diaries. Ellis has done this, and whetted my own curiosity. These were strong personalities, and they did not always agree.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 10 2022 19:56 utc | 185

The American Founders were all aristocrats. Half would have had titles if in England, younger sons of course would merely be gentlemen. . Not any kind of "natural" aristocracy. The rags to riches stories are Hollywood BS.

If you don't believe me simply go to and start entering names of Founders. Or for this older crew Burke's Peerage will work fine.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 10 2022 21:20 utc | 186

Thanks for pointing out a vagueness in the text I quoted, oldhippie | Aug 10 2022 21:20 utc | 189. This might clarify the point better than Ellis did:

©7-2016 Matt Fitzgibbons,

Since the mid-18th century, before there was a United States, America came to despise aristocracy and everything it stood for. Today, with fewer and fewer voters familiar with history, aristocracy has experienced resurgence by using this vacuum as a new medium in which to flourish.

After almost a century of effective isolation from their mother country, American Colonists in the mid 1700s had developed their own unique understanding of man’s relationship with government. Literacy rates in the American Colonies were among the highest in the world. They were both well-versed in history and political philosophy and proud of their English tradition of legalism, which promised that all subjects of the crown were equal in the eyes of the law. However, after the Seven Years War (what we Americans call “The French Indian War”), King George III and Parliament began reinterpreting and eliminating the colonists’ rights and effectively nullifying decades of legal tradition in the American Colonies to force them to pay what they deemed was their fair share of that expensive war. After various taxes, tariffs, protests and eventually bloody battles, the British Empire not only failed in their goal, they found that they had created a tempest which lead to the creation of the longest-standing, free nation in human history. And it initiated revolutions around the world that would systematically seek to eradicate the effective power of all forms of aristocracy.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 10 2022 22:18 utc | 187

juliania @188--

Thanks for your reply. Yes, you missed out on lots of bunk immigrating when you did. As I've confessed, my main historical interest is in the US Empire--every aspect of it--which sends me off into other areas for answers. When I finally entered college fulltime after my 25 year career in Hospitality and Entertainment in 1996, I was 41--older than some of my profs, which intimidated them at times. I vowed to make all my classes Grad-level by piling on the textbook's suggested reading as well as what the prof suggested when informed of my quest. I spent a great many hours in libraries. The result was what I'd aimed for--knowledge well beyond that for PhD status. But my fate wasn't to become a tenured prof, although I did teach at Junior Colleges in California for four years--and those years were very instructive. My assumption that being a "radical" teacher would meet with obstacles was verified, and I'm happy I didn't have to run that particular gauntlet. But enough of that.

I'm going to suggest you read part of the pre-Revolutionary history that many don't bother with despite the book's excellence, The Ordeal of Thomas Hutchinson, who was the last Royal Governor of Massachusetts. I've suggested Bernad Bailyn's books before, but never this one. He was the last remaining so-called "Progressive Historian" having passed away in 2020. I suggest strongly reading his Wiki bio as well as all the books he wrote, particularly his series on the Peopling of North America, not all of which are listed in the provided Wiki bibliography. There are several that I'd call seminal works, particularly his PhD thesis which became his first published book, The New England Merchants in the Seventeenth Century. It reveals a great deal about the old and new England and how commercial relations were arranged then, which becomes rather important later in time. And as usual with such works, it provides information never covered in any US History course, even at the Grad level unless you get very lucky.

Anyway, you're so enthusiastic when it comes to wanting to know that I continue to feed you, and it keeps me sharp. I know that despite the shock you'll enjoy Ordeal. It paints a rather different picture of Boston's patriots, who today would be called terrorists. Best!

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 10 2022 22:35 utc | 188

@Scorpion #34

"...BLM (paid-for) riots..."

Are you saying that some BLM riots were paid for and not others or are you saying all BLM riots were paid for? Could you elaborate on this claim? Perhaps further reading and some credible sources?

Posted by: fnord | Aug 10 2022 22:47 utc | 189

Sundance believes the raid was looking for the declassified, but not released, documents that ODNI head Ratcliff was directed to declassify by Trump.
He believes these documents are related to the Mueller investigation, and reveal damaging information about the weaponization and illegalities of the Muh Russia affair.

The idea is that Trump was holding them, as leverage. And the Deepstate couldn’t have that potentially damaging information in Trumps possession.

That’s why there’s no clear information about “what” things the FBI was looking for. And why the raid, when archive officials had already gone through the physicaldocuments on site months ago.

Trump is lucky he hasn’t been killed. The people who hate him are legion and powerful. The efforts to keep him away from the levers of control have been excessive and obvious.
Even though he’s a dick, a cowboy politician, and a crappy person. he doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment, imo.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Aug 10 2022 22:52 utc | 190

@Orgel #107

It looks like you put some thought into your response. Nice try, but Marxism is a critique of capitalism, not a political ideology in its own right. Many groups have incorporated it into their particular philosophies and made their own, but reducing it to an "Us vs Them" dichotomy is disingenuous.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 10 2022 23:01 utc | 191

However, after the Seven Years War (what we Americans call “The French Indian War”), King George III and Parliament began reinterpreting and eliminating the colonists’ rights and effectively nullifying decades of legal tradition in the American Colonies to force them to pay what they deemed was their fair share of that expensive war. After various taxes, tariffs, protests and eventually bloody battles, the British Empire not only failed in their goal, they found that they had created a tempest which lead to the creation of the longest-standing, free nation in human history. And it initiated revolutions around the world that would systematically seek to eradicate the effective power of all forms of aristocracy.

All was going well until the last two hilarious sentences. The USA spreading democracy around the world! Just ask Venezuela, The Philippines, Iran, Argentina, et-cetera! Just look at all that democracy we're spreading subverting! But I'm sure that Moon of A readers will all be quick to point out that it's ALL THE DEMOCRATS' fault, lool.

Posted by: Crimea River | Aug 10 2022 23:10 utc | 193

fnord # 192

Rumor among right wing circles is that a very wealthy Greek-Hungarian oligarch arch-capitalist got speeding tickets in Philadelphia and New York and has been funding every "riot" in every American city since. He doesn't think white lives matter, y'know. Even his Antifa warriors staged the January 6 riot, but they had to dress up like MAGA, which astute right wingers have already exposed as the fakery it was!

Posted by: Crimea River | Aug 10 2022 23:16 utc | 194

@Cadence calls #193

"Even though he’s a dick, a cowboy politician, and a crappy person. he doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment, imo."

No need to sugar-coat it. He's just as much a piece of shit as the rest of Washington. In that sense he fits right in with the other DC subhumans masquerading as actual people. Just because he doesn't seem to fit in with the Beltway neoliberal/neoconservative chuds doesn't make him any less deserving of grief. He deserves to be harassed and persecuted along with the rest of the US politicians currently fucking the working man up the ass. My concern is that The Powers That Be are punishing him for crimes that they too commit against the people on a regular basis, yet are never held accountable. In that sense he's being singled out, but make no mistake, he deserves to be hung by his balls and pelted with rocks. The same goes for the rest of them.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 10 2022 23:16 utc | 195

@Crimea River #197

"Rumor among right wing circles is that a very wealthy Greek-Hungarian oligarch arch-capitalist got speeding tickets in Philadelphia and New York and has been funding every "riot" in every American city since. He doesn't think white lives matter, y'know. Even his Antifa warriors staged the January 6 riot, but they had to dress up like MAGA, which astute right wingers have already exposed as the fakery it was!"

All I see in your comment is paranoid right-wing conjecture and speculation but nothing of substance. Feel free to chime in when you have something real.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 10 2022 23:20 utc | 196

Cadence Calls | Aug 10 2022 23:01 utc | 195
bullshit on the warrant cuz it would need to be in baby book form w/pop ups for him to "read" it, but they turned his cameras off! omg! next thing you'll be telling us they spat in his face and had him manacles and that he had a really hard day. think he'll get away with crucifixion, first offense and all? or will he need to replace a safe at the end of it, not a dog or family member or teeth?

no one deserves that! he continues to be history's greatest martyr and victim, denied the chance to be our messiah, by the police state, paranoia and war dogs he unleashed and is unleashing as I type.

darn. i remember feeling sympathy when ICE kicked in my apartment door at 0600 on a Sunday to grab my housemate for 6 months in prison before a quick trip back to El Salvador. toward my flatmate, not to el presidente pussy grabber. (this in a 'sanctuary city', btw. thanks Muriel Bowser! true donkey hero mayor you are.)

do people reap what they sow? Cadence, you love Jesus, God, flag, apple pie, mom, mud flaps, truck nuts, all the stages of fetal development after penetration but prior to birth, assault rifles, trucks with no mufflers, segregated water fountains, NASCAR, football concussions, strip mining, Wal Mart, blaming fags for diseases, plastic in every molecule and everything else great about America.

do people reap what they sow? or is that just for commies and jews and people who can't afford jewish commie lawyers?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 23:31 utc | 197

@200 rjb1.5
What the fuck.
Ease up.
You’re a real asshole, you know that?
Go look in the fucking mirror.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Aug 10 2022 23:38 utc | 198

i don't use the word 'hero' often, but donald trump is the greatest american hero. what's not to like?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Aug 10 2022 23:42 utc | 199

Voting doesn’t matter anymore. 81 million votes.

Better to withhold one’s consent and not vote.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 9 2022 14:01 utc | 1

Oh, the irony! A null vote is a given consent to maintain the existing no change status quo!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 10 2022 23:46 utc | 200

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