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August 20, 2022

Quality Of Ukraine Reporting Continues To Deteriorate

The news about the war in Ukraine is getting so fake that even an amateur can debunk it no time.

Consider this from the Washington Post:

Across the river from Ukraine nuclear plant, shelling adds to fear

In Nikopol, just two miles across the Dnieper River from the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the threat of imminent nuclear catastrophe is compounded by daily shelling from Russian forces near the plant.

The real distance between the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant and Nikopol is 15 kilometers (9 miles) not "just 2 miles".


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Nikopol is too close to the plant for sirens to be of use — there’s no time to switch them on. Instead residents on the other side send warnings if they see artillery batteries being rolled out.

The well protected six reactor blocks of ZNPP can be seen in the upper left of the picture. The next civilian settlement is on the right side, some 2+ kilometers away from the plant with several big buildings between the two.


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How anyone would see "artillery batteries being rolled out" at the plant is beyond me. The Russian side of course insists that there is no artillery at the ZNPP and that the Ukrainians are shelling the plant. Which makes sense as the plant is, since early March, under complete control of the Russian side.

This misreporting by the Washington Post comes after it published a big fake story about an alleged Russian intelligence failure at the beginning of the war:

Russia’s spies misread Ukraine and misled Kremlin as war loomed

Just consider this circular sourcing of the story:

In the final days before the invasion of Ukraine, Russia’s security service began sending cryptic instructions to informants in Kyiv. Pack up and get out of the capital, the Kremlin collaborators were told, but leave behind the keys to your homes.
...
The communications exposing these preparations are part of a larger trove of sensitive materials obtained by Ukrainian and other security services and reviewed by The Washington Post.
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Ukraine’s security services have an interest in discrediting Russia’s spy agencies, but key details from the trove were corroborated by officials in Western governments.
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Ukraine’s security agencies have scored notable victories. Early on, a Ukrainian nongovernmental organization published what it described as a roster of FSB operatives linked to the war effort, posting the identities and passport numbers of dozens of alleged spies in a move meant to disrupt the agency’s plans and rattle its personnel. A person connected to the NGO, which is called Myrotvorets, or Peacemaker, said the data was obtained by Ukraine’s security services. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing threats to his security.
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Details published by Peacemaker and confirmed by Ukrainian security officials describe Kovalenko as a 47-year-old veteran of the spy service who in recent years was responsible for managing the agency’s clandestine ties to Ukraine’s parliament and main pro-Russian party.

The extremist rightwing  'NGO' Myrotvorets is not independent but run by the Ukrainian secret service. It is known for publishing 'kill lists' of alleged 'enemies of Ukraine':

The site reflects the work of NGO "Myrotvorets centre", led by a person only known with the alias "Roman Zaitsev", former employee of Luhansk Security Service of Ukraine office. The website is allegedly curated by the government law-enforcement and intelligence agency Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and was promoted by Advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. The identity of the staff is secret, and a hidden panel sifts through information, often collated from Open-source intelligence, as well as information provided by individuals on a confidential basis.
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On 24 May 2016, Committee to Protect Journalists wrote an open letter to then Ukrainian President Poroshenko urging him to "condemn the unfounded and damaging allegations published on Myrotvorets, and to clarify publicly that the Ukrainian Interior Ministry is dedicated to protecting journalists and apprehending the people responsible for threatening them, in contrast to Interior Minister Avakov's previous statements".

On 2 June 2016, G7 ambassadors to Kyiv released a joint statement expressing deep concern about disclosures of journalists' personal data on the Myrotvorets website and called on the Myrotvorets team to withdraw personal data from public access.

Other such lists put out by the Ukrainian government accuse U.S. political scientists and journalists of pro-Russian disinformation.

The Myrotvorets, says the Washington Post, used "data" [that] "was obtained by Ukraine’s security services". Details published by it were then "confirmed by Ukrainian security officials". This was "corroborated by officials in Western governments" and "reviewed by The Washington Post".

That still means that the only source of that alleged 'data' are "Ukraine’s security services" which, as the Washington Post notes, "have an interest in discrediting Russia’s spy agencies".

That make the whole story about the alleged FSB failure a garbage in-garbage out product based on a sole source, the fantasies created by the Ukrainian secret services.

Which altogether tells you something about the 'quality' of Ukraine war reporting by the Washington Post.

Posted by b on August 20, 2022 at 11:12 UTC | Permalink

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In response to S@261,

I think it's best to keep an open mind about the case for now. "Ukrainians" being a very convenient scapegoat would not go unnoticed by others, and even among Ukrainians there would be different factions if we're to be precise with attributing guilt. The only thing I'm sure about is that there will be many, so to speak, fellow travelers who'll celebrate this atrocity, up to and including crediting themselves or their associates, without any real connection to the deed itself. Before a thorough investigation has taken place, rp@195 is correct, even if callous, in calling the discussion noise.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 21 2022 7:30 utc | 301

Lbanu | Aug 21 2022 7:25 utc | 298

I too take Lex as correct- the relevance to this thread is...

This attitude on display is general through out UK, is the result of centuries of smash and grab, is directly - today - responsible for the extreme warwarwar policies of the UK Gvmt, and incidently trivial demonisation not only of Mr Putin, but of Russians in general

These 'common people' have on the whole greatly benefited from centuries of plunder, this war is a continuation of this policy, from which they once again are in thrall of a good return on their money

I believe they used to call this amongst themselves 'I'm alright Jack'

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 21 2022 7:35 utc | 302

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2022 6:09 utc | 295

I’m pretty sure rk is strongly pro-RF and is bemoaning the lack of resolute military response to the UA(NATO) provocations he cites. I think you’ve both, perhaps, got the wrong end of the stick w.r.t. each other?

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 21 2022 7:39 utc | 303

Skiffer | Aug 21 2022 7:03 utc | 29
There will be no emotionally driven response from Moscow. Only well thought out destruction.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2022 7:39 utc | 304

@ Sushi, last thread,200:

Thanks for the info about ownership of resources in occupied territories.

I conclude that this will always lead to disputes. The most just approach seems to me that basically, the resources and their income should benefit the people in the occupied region. So no colonial style exploitation like with Syrian oil. The farmer should be paid, the electricity should benefit the population, and the revenues should flow into reconstruction efforts and local infrastructure.

It will be disputed forever, as independence of the republics, or access to the RF after a referendum will not be recognized by unfriendly states.

But history eventually will look back friendly when the regions will not be exploited in a colonial way, and the population has voted convincingly for independence or access to the Russian or perhaps a Novorussian federation...

Posted by: Rootman | Aug 21 2022 7:39 utc | 305

The death of Alexandra Dugin seems to be in the same style as the death of Iranian nuclear scientists.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 21 2022 8:04 utc | 306

https://t.me/s/sputnik

The heading "Archives do not burn".

Arestovich and Dugin at the same table. Together they defend the ideas of Eurasianism.

This is a 2005 photo from a press conference in Moscow. The future adviser of Zelensky's office, Arestovich (second from left), presents the Eurasian Anti-Orange Front.

Then he was the deputy head of the Ukrainian party "Brotherhood" Dmitry Korchinsky. He criticized the Maidan and argued that Eurasian NGOs should be the answer to the “orange plague".

As Arestovich stated, the West cannot give Ukrainians the opportunity to preserve their culture, but instead will begin to reprivatize strategically important objects.

"Ukrainian factories will be taken over by Washington and Brussels," he said at the time.

What else was heard at that press conference:

▪️Ukraine is the territory of Russia. Russia is the territory of Ukrainians. These boundaries are a historical misunderstanding.
What happened in Ukraine is the next stage of the reorganization of the geopolitical space of Eurasia by th.....

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 21 2022 8:17 utc | 307

Who own the Ukrainian land on witch actually illegal GMO grain is grown?

Very interesting writing from F. William Engdahl on Middle East
Ownership is perhaps only the top of the Iceberg.

https://m.journal-neo.org/2022/08/18/whose-grain-is-being-shipped-from-ukraine/

Posted by: Weimar | Aug 21 2022 8:22 utc | 308

So when do the financial elites or their kids in London, controlling Mi6/CIA/SBU start getting hit?

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 21 2022 8:25 utc | 309

From "Legitimate" - the Ukrainian insider channel:

Yesterday there was a terrorist attack in Moscow. The daughter of a famous Russian public figure was killed. This is certainly a victory for the Ukrainian SBU, the GUR and the Western handlers, who went for broke (remember the British talking about the "guerrilla" war, for which the Ukrainian special forces were being prepared).
All the channels in the Office of the President immediately started "dancing triumphantly over the death" of Dugin's daughter, which is a huge miscalculation by Bankova, which chose the "dancing" way, thus indirectly confirming its involvement in this incident.
No matter how you try to spin it, Bankova will be blamed for this exemplary terrorist attack, where Dugin was "hunted down" in order to create a panic in the Russians, but his daughter was blown up.
Dugin is an easy target because he is poorly protected, but in terms of the info-case, a very effective, indicative target. The aim was to bring panic to the whole of the pro-Kremlin information and political circles.
To say "hello" to all those who work for the Kremlin. The message was "be afraid".
Of course, this changes the rules of the game and raises the stakes.
No conventional boundaries will be maintained from now on.

As per our source. If a certain party goes to such actions, it means that it has a "stalemate internal situation", that it is crossing red lines. In the 90s, this was called "running amok". Whoever is familiar with the history of the criminal world, knows how it went with those who "ran".
There are limits in the craft of war, too, even when two countries are at war.

For Russian society, the authorities in Ukraine are now terrorists. Congratulations. Society in the Russian Federation will start supporting the so called SWO even more firmly. Now it will comply with Russian missiles flying at the notional Arestovichs, Podolyaks, etc.

It seems that the scriptwriters of the Ukrainian crisis decided to pour fuel on the fire and speed up the process.

We will see where this will lead.

We consider it a miscalculation that will play against Bankova. Here we would like to add that Zelensky should be more careful, because he can be dumped by his handlers, pinning it on the Russians, but substituting him with a more "compliant" performer at the appropriate moment.

Posted by: Z_- | Aug 21 2022 8:39 utc | 310

"Posted by: rp | Aug 20 2022 11:55 utc | 8"

The cold you are talking about does not occur in Ukraine or even west and south Russia so stop talking rubbish.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Aug 21 2022 8:40 utc | 311

PavewayIV | Aug 21 2022 5:10 utc | 288

Great many thanks for this article! Excellent investigative journalism there, although I'm only halfway through because translating is tiresome.
Anyway, did you get at all curious about the lady seen in one of the photos? The one they call "Eileen Chu"?

Cheers!

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 21 2022 8:46 utc | 312

How will Russia avenge Dugin's death? This is quite nonsense. Russia can start picking up valuable targets in West also. How this will play?

Posted by: Varughese | Aug 21 2022 8:47 utc | 313

I just checked, The Saker is down

Posted by: Red | Aug 21 2022 8:47 utc | 314

"Ever been to Russian or Ukrainian steppes in winter?

Posted by: rp | Aug 20 2022 15:50 utc | 69"

I live in Zaporozhye and I can assure you it does not get that cold. We might get two or three days of -20 in January but not even that the last few years.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Aug 21 2022 8:56 utc | 315

"I just checked, The Saker is down"

OMG, now here they come. MoA is going to be a nightmare today.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 21 2022 9:02 utc | 316

Posted by: Varughese | Aug 21 2022 8:47 utc | 312

Firstly by investigating and finding out who was responsible.
Setting of a spiral of killings without ability to control the situation is how gangsters operate and Russia had enough of that under Yeltsin..........

Children are running the Western regimes - so far the adults have been more evident in China and Russia in marked contrast - they enjoy credibility lacking in western circles

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 21 2022 9:02 utc | 317

The death of Alexandra Dugin seems to be in the same style as the death of Iranian nuclear scientists.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 21 2022 8:04 utc | 305

Her name was Daria if I remember correctly, but you make a good point. This is an attempt to escalate, and an indication they have nothing better to escalate with. The poster who says it is gang behavior makes an excellent point too. You can spot them by their works.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 21 2022 9:03 utc | 318

The death of Alexandra Dugin seems to be in the same style as the death of Iranian nuclear scientists.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 21 2022 8:04 utc | 305

Do give us your detailed insights. You are so much faster than the Russian specialists and have created a comprehensive overview ! Was it a shaped-charge ? Was it wired into the accelerator ? What configuration did the Land Cruise have ?

Do share your research and delicate which Iranian nuclear scientists you refer to.........

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 21 2022 9:09 utc | 319

Putin doesn't really care what the west's narrative is. The entire world knows exactly what's going on and they see thru the bizarre CIA concocted, corporate media drivel, spoon fed to westerners. They have seen time and again that Putin doesn't bluff...but in their arrogance, they can't believe that anybody would dare push back. This has not happened in a century or more. The US hasn't been on the winning side of a war since WW2. They have been defeated in every country that they have invaded and assured us that they would bomb back to the stone age.

Turns out...stones kill just as surely as cannons.

The west will never attack Russia. No European country has the will or ability to do anything more than to beg to the US for crumbs. If they send a single soldier into Ukraine, the entire EU will come apart at the seams.

I believe that all know that ZNPP can take whatever Z can throw at it...which is precious little. Z doesn't know it, but he is being allowed to dig his own grave. Make no mistake...they will Qaddafi him and lying to the noble west while committing war crimes, will be the excuse.

A convenient mob will turn up, tear him to pieces and destroy any evidence inconvenient to the west.

In the meantime, Putin is decimating what is left of Z's nahtzees on his way to making Medvedev's map, a self fulfilling prophecy.

Posted by: Joe Walker | Aug 21 2022 9:13 utc | 320

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 21 2022 7:35 utc | 301

"I'm alright Jack" is a phrase from a Boulting Bros. comedy (1959) starring Peter Sellers as a trades union shop steward. It was satirical.

You exude extreme prejudice untempered by knowledge. You have no notion of how the Normans changed England or has the class structure the Normans put in place changed the way Anglo-Saxons ran their lives or how the Danelaw still affects matters today.

"Common People" ?????? What century did you emerge from ? What are these "common people" ? Kashmiris from Mirpur ? West Indians from Trinidad or Guyana ? Poles ? Indians ? Bangladeshis ?

You seem so certain of your prejudice yet fail to have any knowledge of the composition of the population living on the islands making up the UK.

No doubt you have fetishes about Jews throughout the world based on what Israel might do in Gaza ?

Your commentary is ridiculous and diminishes this blog.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 21 2022 9:18 utc | 321

oof, re: 'Saker down' only closed for maintenance, be back soon, sorry for panic.

Posted by: Red | Aug 21 2022 9:46 utc | 322

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 21 2022 1:12 utc | 238

"WW3 or civil war" about USA is a common point in RuNet. I read articles amount NG to it since 2014 at least (and back then it looked more like mental gymnastics and wishful thinking, i admit. But so did civil wa run Ukraine, brains say "no one to stop it" - gyts cry "impossible, they are civilized" ), which should think to that point they became many neough for me to randomly stumble upon.

However...

Civil wars lead to massive lost of careers and property, indeed. Either suppreasion of rebels (Vandeia in France), or the goal of a revolution (1917 - mass exile).

Civil wars often lead to executions of few top rulers and talking head (celebrities): tzar Nikki, Robespierre, Aliende...
Which, however, often means if the "case is lost" is accepted then frequently "old rulers" are allowed to flee with some "golden parachute". Victors would be too busy with assuming won lands and people to waste their limited energy on manhunt (Yanukovich is the recent example). Maybe that goes against "anglozionists" mindset, and they would rather chase their victims to the edge of the world, rather than cement their acquired power, dunno.

Anyway, danger of a looming civil war is "slow" danger. It should not incite suicidal panic driving to immediate chaotic moves. Again, compare Russian Revolutions. It started since 1905. And terrorist started in late 1890-s. And it culminated in February 1917. Was there immediate panic in tzar's clique? Stupidity, ignorance, laziness, corruption - a lot. St. Witte like paroxisms - no.


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 21 2022 1:16 utc | 239

I saw two opposing arguments.

1. Dugin and his daughter swapped their cars in last moment for whatever reason. Ergo it was Dugin who was the target, yet unpredictable got replace with his daughter.

2. Darya was boastful how she dug something damning on Bellingcat and Christo. Someone took it seriously.

Personally, i find #1 much more plausible explanations.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 21 2022 9:57 utc | 323

The death of Alexandra Dugin seems to be in the same style as the death of Iranian nuclear scientists.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 21 2022 8:04 utc | 305

There is only so many practical methods to assasinate a person with reasonable chance of success and minimum risk for attacker to be caught by police.

Just like most family cars share the same scheme, not because some conspiracy, but just because it proven the most practical for their niche.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 21 2022 10:04 utc | 324

Also, we all seem to readily assume Thag Ukraine (or "extended Ukraine" like Bellingcat or Mi6) is the perpetrator.

It is, indeed, the most plausible hypothesis, and by far.

It is, however, jusg a hypothesis yet.

We *believe* in Kiev-did-it, not *know* it.

Would i, for whatever obscure reason, want to kill him and her, then selecting a date and a method that would make everyone look at Ukraine would had provide a good safety invisibikity cloak for me.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 21 2022 10:13 utc | 325

If anglo-saxon elites really fear for their lives - they fear not Moscow and Putin, but something else.

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 20 2022 21:40 utc | 177

'they' fear 'us' so do everything they can to prevent us uniting against them by creating enemies abroad. The MICCI (military industrial Congressional intelligence) not only profits from war it also prevents the elites from being strung up by we the people. They fear us more than anything else because they base their power on deception which is forever and always the enemy of the good and sacred.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 21 2022 10:21 utc | 326

Paul Greenwood | Aug 21 2022 9:18 utc | 320

And so was my post satirical, poke the UK poodle and up you pop

What’s with the history lesson ?- being discussed is the common Brit self satisfaction, derived essentially from the comforts of centuries of overseas plunder, and extended into the current war

The changes in ethnic mix or origin over time have not altered/modified the common indulgence in such adventures, all the while pretending it’s neither their fault nor responsibility – as indeed you too do

There’s opposition to this war in the UK ? organised resistance extending across the commons ? Chances this will have any effect ?

I don’t think so, but you’re welcome to get off your hobby horse and inform

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 21 2022 10:24 utc | 327

I always love to hear when MSM says, experts tell us. Of course as we all know what an EXPERT is. EX PERT, where EX is a has been and PERT, is a burnt out drip.
Every time I hear local news quote, EXPERT tell us, I just laugh.

Posted by: Brad | Aug 21 2022 10:30 utc | 328

But it is the EFFECT ON THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE that is the most important aspect here.
Posted by: Rodina | Aug 20 2022 23:14 utc | 200

Great presentation. Thxs.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 21 2022 10:34 utc | 329

Western MSM started already predicting following outcome of the conflict in Europe, and Ukraine:

"President Putin will beckon the world community with a ceasefire on favorable terms at the G20 summit in November. Leaders will be tempted to accept Putin's peace proposal and withdraw their support for Zelensky."

So how realistic is the assumption that Putin will offer a ceasefire?

well against the background of all the death on russian side by kiev terrorists a questionable offer

Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 21 2022 10:47 utc | 330

Posted by: Mikkael | Aug 20 2022 13:36 utc | 35

Writers from Vassal states! Nothing much else to be expected. "In principle" we always knew, but still shocking in any new instantiation.

Posted by: Jožko | Aug 21 2022 11:00 utc | 331

Ukro terrorists today assassinated Daria Dugina daughter of Alexander Dugin.
Time to respond to Ukrainian terror with Russian terror.
Take out all ukro key figuers and their families.
Russia should end their policies of appeasement.
Appeasement only whets the appetite, the insatiable appetite of ukro terrorists.
This policy of appeasement is lethal, not only for the interests of the donbass people, but also for everyone who lives in russia mainland

Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 21 2022 11:01 utc | 332

War, Next Level of Criminality

1. Zelensky raises fear of a nuclear disaster;
2. A radiation cloud over Europe will be considered a deliberate attack and triggers NATO’s Article 5;
3. Ukrainian Motor-Sich asked the manufacturer Bayraktar Akinci for drones with a range of 300 km and capacity 20 ltr aerosol spraying;
4. Urban guerrilla warfare and covert acts;
5. Target close allies or friends for assassinations …

...

Last stage one gets to M.A.D. ... 77 years after the obliteration of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 21 2022 11:02 utc | 333

Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 21 2022 10:47 utc | 329

Eh... There are rumors Erdogan was mediating Putin's offer for peace to Zelensky, who rejected it.

We might have to await for "a while" before next offer comes.

https://t.me/denatofication/3051

Posted by: unimperator | Aug 21 2022 11:04 utc | 334

To get tot the “brains” of the attack, no holds barred, no Geneva Convention will stand in the way under GWB, Obama, Trump and Biden.

No Holds Barred to Hit “Terror” Nerve Center

The many failed attempts to assassinate preacher Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen, a US citizen. Over a three year period, hundreds of innocents were murdered in Yemen. Winning over hearts and minds.

    “On Dec. 24, 2009, in the second American strike in Yemen in eight days, cruise missiles hit a meeting of leaders of the affiliate group. News accounts said one target was Anwar al-Awlaki, who was falsely reported to have been killed.”

Al-Awlaki Tribe and Family Members Killed by US Air Strike | Dec. 26, 2009 |

The photographs enable the positive identification of damaged missile parts, which appear to be from the payload, mid-body, aft-body and propulsion sections of a BGM-109D Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile.

This type of missile, launched from a warship or submarine, is designed to carry a payload of 166 cluster submunitions (bomblets) which each explode into over 200 sharp steel fragments that can cause injuries up to 150m away. An incendiary material inside the bomblet also spreads fragments of burning zirconium designed to set fire to nearby flammable objects.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 21 2022 11:05 utc | 335

John J. Mearsheimer has a very good new article! He writes:
”… the conventional view vastly understates the dangers of escalation in Ukraine, For starters, wars tend to have a logic of their own, which makes it difficult to predict their course. Anyone who says that they know with confidence what path the war in Ukraine will take is mistaken. [- -]
Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz recognized, nationalism encourages modern wars to escalate to their most extreme form, especially when the stakes are high for both sides. [- -]
This perilous situation creates a powerful incentive to find a diplomatic solution to the war. Regrettably, however, there is no political settlement in sight, as both sides are firmly committed to war aims that make compromise almost impossible. [- -]
Russia, Ukraine, and the West are stuck in a terrible situation with no obvious way out. One can only hope that leaders on both sides will manage the war in ways that avoid catastrophic escalation. ”
(2Playing With Fire in Ukraine - The Underappreciated Risks of Catastrophic Escalation", Foreign Afffairs, (17.8.2022).
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/playing-fire-ukraine

Posted by: Mikkael | Aug 21 2022 11:11 utc | 336

https://www.stalkerzone.org/about-the-murder-of-daria-dugin/ : Cui Bono?

Posted by: Red | Aug 21 2022 11:39 utc | 337

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm sick Western governments pouring funding and weapons into Ukraine at the expense of Western citizens. The idiotic sanctions against all things Russian has backfired spectacularly and its hurting Western citizens, yet our government refuse to listen and just keep on sending weapons and cash to Ukraine.

The US/UK's private war on Russia using Europe as the staging post, has and will continue to harm not just the citizens of the EU, but those of the UK and the US and it will have a devastating effect on Third World countries. Come this Winter there will inevitably be fuel and food shortages, and for those who can afford to heat their owns the costs will be much higher.

I don't know about you, but I didn't vote for my country's government to enter into a long protracted campaign that will leave the citizens of my country poorer more hungry and colder just so that the big corporations in the UK and the US, such as the arms industry can make huge profits, and in the process give the warhawk politicians a lump sum of cash for their co-operation.


Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 21 2022 11:48 utc | 338

RE Mikkael | Aug 21 2022 11:11 utc | 335

Gilbert Doctorow comments on John Mearsheimer’s latest article on Ukraine in “Foreign Affairs” – a critique - https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/08/20/john-mearsheimers-latest-article-on-ukraine-in-foreign-affairs-a-critique/

key quotes

"Mearsheimer from basing himself on the same restricted and distorted sources of information as are used by mainstream media and mainstream academics, while ignoring other sources of information that would give greater depth to his analysis and possibly change his conclusions substantially. To be explicit, I believe he has been listening too closely to Washington and Kiev’s rosy forecasts of a counter-offensive that will result in a stalemate, possibly in a Russian defeat, and he is not listening to Russian reporting on the progress of their campaign on the ground, which points to a slow and steady grinding down of all in their path to conquest of the Donetsk oblast, meaning the capture of the entire Donbass."

"Mearsheimer’s article goes into great detail over the many possible scenarios for dangerous if not catastrophic escalation of the conflict. But these are myriad and largely unforeseeable, so that he ultimately covers only a fraction of the possibilities for things to go haywire. They are, as he admits, not very likely to occur. Amen."

"Why does he assume the Russians must escalate to nuclear options and why those options would be directed against Kiev and not, for example, against London? More to the point, he is missing the fact that the Russians have hardly begun to fight, as Putin recently said publicly. They have not mobilized and put out draft notices, they have not put the economy on a war footing. And they have not deployed their most consequential weaponry. Instead, they have held it back, ready for use if necessary in a direct war with NATO. This is massively destructive conventional payloads carried by hypersonic rockets and similar"

"For all of the above reasons, I urge professor Mearsheimer and his followers to pay closer attention to what the Russians are saying and less attention to the hot air coming out of Washington."

Posted by: Aslangeo | Aug 21 2022 11:52 utc | 339

Re my (337) comment a prime example.

“The weapons are stolen, the humanitarian aid is stolen, and we have no idea where the billions sent to this country have gone,” a Ukrainian complained to The Grayzone."

"Last month, Ukraine’s parliamentarians voted to give themselves a 70% salary increase. Filings indicate the raise was enabled and encouraged by the billions of dollars and euros of aid that have poured in from the US and Europe."


https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 21 2022 11:56 utc | 340

@Blissex | Aug 21 2022 3:06 utc | 265

There are regular winter NATO exercises in northern Norway where combat situations are simulated.
I was once dropped off mid winter from a UK Wessex helicopter in one of those NATO exercises in the north (Troms).

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 21 2022 12:00 utc | 341

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 21 2022 11:48 utc | 337

I sympathise. Do you recall when trades unions were strong governments almost never had big majorities and so were more attentive to voters ? Since Thatcher had North Sea Oil revenues after 1980 governments seemed to get large majorities and even as their votes fell, the majorities remained.

Then with the supine compliance and supplication of voters with the Covid-Lockdown scam (actually prepared by Donald Rumsfeld during GWB's time as a policy option) - the regimes KNEW they could walk all over the public and most would simply roll over.

It has been the absolute compacency of voters and total ignorance of what gores on around them that has buried what once passed for democracy. People in UK are far more stupid and ignorant than in 1970s when they had "collective knowledge" and "cultural bonding"

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 21 2022 12:01 utc | 342

officials in Western governments

Read: Polish or Lithuanian glow in the darks. (I'd hardly call either Western in culture or mentality, ironically the traits they share most in common with the Russians are what is driving them to go so hard to try to provoke WW3. But to the Post they are.) They couldn't even get the US or UK spooks to stand over this I'd say, just judging from the lack of noise about this coming out of Washington or London and the fact that they would say 'US' or 'UK' and not 'Western'. They only want a proxy war and know already that this war is pushing the line of acceptable risk. Things like encouraging the Ukrainians to shell the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe aren't in the agenda.

Posted by: Altai | Aug 21 2022 12:02 utc | 343

https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/08/21/znakomyy-dari-duginoy-rasskazal-podrobnosti-eyo-gibeli

if this to be trusted, then Dugina's car could had been destroyed by a remotely controlled road mine, rather than a bomb hidden inside the car

that would be an argument for "Dugin himself was targeted"

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 21 2022 12:08 utc | 344

Aslangeo [338]

"Why does he assume the Russians must escalate to nuclear options and why those options would be directed against Kiev and not, for example, against London?

Mearsheimer is American, went to West Point, was in USAF................
UK and USA are maritime nations - Rule 1 - always fight wars as away games.......

So he simply cannot conceive of anything straying out of the court and onto home turf.......that is not the paradigm he is conditioned to understand.

He has fled logic - in 1993 he thought Ukraine should retain SOVIET nuclear weapons even though Russian Federation owned them as successor state to USSR..........bet he doesn't think that now........

He is embarrassed - US is up the creek without a paddle. There is NO interlocutor with Moscow - they are reduced to Erdogan since Xi has no interest in Washington or London or Berlin or Paris..........Israel has an incompetent PM whom Netanyahu accused of destroying good relations with Moscow

Mearsheimer is 75 years old and has watched Kagan and family with the rest of the re-wired Trotskyites (Neo-Con Jews) push the world into final days

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 21 2022 12:09 utc | 345

Paul Greenwood (341).

With the UK in mind I believe its all Thatcher's fault she adopted the Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys Neocon policies which destroyed most of the unions, look at the miners the Home Office via Thatcher ordered the miners to be beaten for going on strike and blockading the scabs, the police carried out the attacks. Unions are the workers only way of protesting for workers rights, she turned the UK into its everyman and woman for themselves nation.

People are too preoccupied scrambling around for what they can get for themselves, that that they don't realise by destroying the unity of the working masses, they actually harm themselves as well.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 21 2022 12:13 utc | 346

Apparently Voice of Mordor is (at least) a Telegram channel [in Russian]:
https://t.me/s/golosmordora

Nothing there that I noticed referencing any specifics about 'the report' or sources. Maybe he has other social media channels or blog with more info. So far, doesn't seem like the report is directly associated with him or his channel - he just mentions it. Someone may have better luck doing searches in Russian.

I see tweets referencing 'Voice of Mordora' - which is the spelling in the Telegram channel. Anyone have any insight on the 'Mordora' spelling (vs. Mordor)? A Russian transliteration?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 21 2022 12:30 utc | 347

republicofscotland @337

I hear you and have noted the same in my country. My country has absolutely no win whatsoever in doing what they are doing. I understand that is makes some sense if your elites make profit out of this, like they do in US and UK, but as in the most European countries, even the elites are just to loose, I wont accept the narrative or conclusion that it is just the US / UK pushing their vassals to collapse Russia. There is bigger picture in which US / UK / Russia / China are all to benefit from the demise of Europe. If you look it from that perspective, you already see that it makes sense. All of them are winning already, making money on the cost of Europeans. I believe that this narrative of stupid European leaders, making stupid decisions is just there to keep European people on their Netflix until its already too late. After the wealth and economy is down, then follows famine. Again explained by "stupidity of European rulers". It is not first time that Europe had been planned to made into captive state.

Posted by: Tigger | Aug 21 2022 12:38 utc | 348

Is San Franscico's Golden Gate Bridge a fair trade for Crimea's Kerch Strait Bridge?

It's not this bridge for that bridge. It's where we are on the Remember the World Disaster Clock.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Aug 21 2022 12:41 utc | 349

Seen a, side of the road, pic of a HIMARS on its way to Ukraine or already there. With the 300k LR missiles?

When the first missile, and it's a commin', hits Moscow, maybe someone could contact the RF MOD and remind them they are not playing Chess, dimensional or otherwise.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2022 12:46 utc | 350

It has been the absolute compacency of voters and total ignorance of what gores on around them that has buried what once passed for democracy. People in UK are far more stupid and ignorant than in 1970s when they had "collective knowledge" and "cultural bonding"

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 21 2022 12:01 utc | 341

This is a long game imposed on the unsuspecting sheep.
Deterioration of education over years, subliminal programming and entrainment technology, fiat currency, killing foods et al leave a weakened and controllable populace.
"Total complacency" is really a victory by the usurpers.

The question is: Is the victory complete and sustainable or will the noncompliant be ready at the turn of the tide?

Posted by: osi | Aug 21 2022 12:52 utc | 351

Republicofscotland no. 337

" I don't know about you, but I didn't vote for my country's government to enter into a long protracted campaign that will leave the citizens of my country poorer more hungry and colder"

I don't believe we were given a vote.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Aug 21 2022 12:56 utc | 352

Jusses@284...what hype, extremely accurate, popping things far behind the loc.....kinzals, gone, Kalibars gone, airport ammo dumps store those. Now we have strategic bridges being destroyed and targeted assassinations ....life looks normal in western Ukraine....safe and comfy.
Trains run back and forth to the front, five months in Ukie has no real supply issues except that acquisition of nuclear weapons, which they have solved, and if they get the 300k HIMARs, Moscow will quickly loose it tourist attraction. Oh and the countries that front the Ukies they laugh at Russia....odds on Boris is running the show from the wings, think he cares how many Ukies die killing Russians.....a dream come true for those that want Russian resources for free. It's not draughts, or chess, or Monopoly....it's freakin' war.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2022 13:03 utc | 353

Curious that calls for the RF to be designated a state sponsor of terrorism are followed by an unquestionably terrorist act against the RF. Fits the pattern of provocations and false flags very well.

Posted by: BillB | Aug 21 2022 13:03 utc | 354

I see tweets referencing 'Voice of Mordora' - which is the spelling in the Telegram channel. Anyone have any insight on the 'Mordora' spelling (vs. Mordor)? A Russian transliteration?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 21 2022 12:30 utc | 346

Exactly. Genitive case, not corrected by rtobo-translator.
Literally translated as "of Mordor".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_declension

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 21 2022 13:04 utc | 355

> by rtobo-translator.

robot-translator

ooops

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 21 2022 13:05 utc | 356

RepublicofScotland @337. I totally agree with your excellent points. For me, there is also something else. I do not know how on earth the collective West can stand, I mean stand, the continuous whingeing of Zelensky. More money, tears tears, more weapons, tears tears. Collective West "Yes poor Ukraine poor Ukraine we'll send you more and more". Poor Ukraine be damned. At the start of this they had the largest Army in Europe and was fully equipped by NATO and the collective West. RF destroyed that almost within 24hrs in terms of equipment and strategic sites such as airports. The Ukr Army is now decimated. Ukr is now the most Armed country in the world. It has been given billions of dollars and euros worth of funding but there is not a shred of evidence as to where it is all going. Into the clown president's offshore bank accounts I assume. I for one cannot stand Zelensky's non stop whining. I object to any of my hard earned tax being donated to the most corrupt country in the World with the most corrupt president probably in the world. However, one of the things about these WEF Presidents in the collective West is that they have ensured that the citizens of their countries are effectively completely disenfranchised. I am of the view that the General Election in which BoJo became Prime Minister was seriously rigged, I mean seriously rigged and there is evidence for that. As a result, we got a WEF alumni as Prime Minister when we could have had the far more serious minded Politician Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister. God forbid that Truss becomes our next Prime Minister. I see a SAMART missile with the UK written on it as she will likely take deranged and highly dangerous decisions. Let's see

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Aug 21 2022 13:05 utc | 357

Elmagnostic@148...Russia is out numbered and out gunned on the world stage. They can fight a 'world war' in the Ukraine, but on a global scale they only have deterrence. So far their perceived deterrence is being ignored...hugely.

Cheers M

In a street fight you may get a few punches in, maybe even first punch, but reality has its own end.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 21 2022 13:16 utc | 358

Jo Dominich @356

Have ypu noticed that WEF is way too enthusiast about China? There is good number of observations that support China's role in WEF. Imagine who would benefit the most of WEF idiotic plans being totally put trough in Europe like it seems to happen now? The narrative that western elites want to surpress their people into compliance by the policies of WEF does not make any sense. Western elites have milked their people hundreds of years without having to use social credit system. China already has that in action.

Posted by: Tigger | Aug 21 2022 13:21 utc | 359

There has been mention in some posts of the winter during Napoleon's retreat from Moscow. It may actually have been a slightly milder winter than usual, though still sufficient to kill many thousands of the Grande Armee. The river Berezina would normally have been frozen over in late November. It was not, forcing the French to build pontoon bridges to cross it when otherwise they might have been able to walk across.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 21 2022 13:30 utc | 360

Arioch | Aug 21 2022 13:04 utc | 359 Re: Mordora - Appreciate the explanation. Thanks, Arioch.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Aug 21 2022 14:02 utc | 361

I think it is tradition. A long tradition of the value of education, and a peaceful society. The US has a tradition of war. That tradition is putting all else aside. (My not so humble opinion.)

Posted by: HelenB | Aug 21 2022 0:12 utc | 220

Thank you for your reply. Not a system but tradition... Rings true. Sounds a bit like character determining destiny.

Given the gap between rhetoric and reality, the mythical and actual, the ruling and working classes, it's hard to discern the true character from the imagined.

America is a hodge podge mish mash generally in thrall to Tavistockonian types. What sort of character does she truly have? What sort of destiny is fitting?

What a mess! Eurasia is right to favor geopolitical bifurcation.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 21 2022 14:06 utc | 362

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision, long-range sea-based Kalibr missiles have destroyed an ammunition depot containing missiles for US-made HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems and Western-made anti-aircraft systems near Majorskoye, Odessa Region.

Russian Aerospace Forces' air strike has destroyed a fuel depot of the 102nd Territorial Defence Brigade, which was storing more than 100 tonnes of diesel fuel for military equipment near Gulyai Polye, Zaporozhye Region.

As a result of strikes on positions of 2nd Battalion of 28th Mechanized Brigade near Novogrigorovka, Nikolaev Region, and 18th Battalion of 35th Marines Brigade of AFU near Tokarevo, Kherson Region, the enemy suffered irrecoverable losses of over 100 men as well as 7 units of armoured and special vehicles.

As a result of shelling of positions of 2nd Battalion of 66th Mechanized Brigade of AFU, over 30 personnel, 1 tank and 5 special vehicles have been destroyed near Novomikhailovka in Donetsk People's Republic.

Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine.

During the day, 6 AFU command posts have been hit, including those of 14th Mechanized Brigade near Rogan' in Kharkov Region, battalions of 54th, 93rd and 64th mechanized brigades near Yagodnoye, Artemovsk in Donetsk People's Republic and Charivnoye in Zaporozhye Region, as well as 167 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

6 missile and artillery weapons and ammunition depotsnear Charivnoye in Zaporozhye, Konstantinovka, Zvanovka, Il'inka, Galitsynovka and Kirovo in Donetsk People's Republic, 2 fuel depots for military equipment near Galitsinovka and Konstantinovka in Donetsk People's Republic, and 1 artillery battery in Novogrigorivka in Donetsk People's Republic have been destroyed,

In addition, a temporary deployment point of the Right Sector nationalist group has been destroyed near Tsukurino, Donetsk People's Republic, as well as 2 US M777 howitzers at combat positions near near Knyazevka, Kherson Region.

Russian air defence means have shot down 9 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near the settlements of Staromlynovka and Gorlovka in Donetsk People's Republic. Shell of Olkha multiple rocket launcher has been also intercepted near Kamenka, Kharkov Region.

In total, 267 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,785 unmanned aerial vehicles, 367 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,359 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 810 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,323 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4,984 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

Posted by: mac999 | Aug 21 2022 14:22 utc | 363

Tigger @363. Interesting points you make. It's something for me to think about and research further.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Aug 21 2022 14:27 utc | 364

Note on Manufacture Weapons NATO
At the moment there is no armaments industry in Europe, especially Germany, that is able to produce weapons at the pace that would be necessary in the event of a NATO conflict with Russia !!!
It would take years now to fill the gaps by shipping to Ukraine, although the definition of “gaps” is flattering!
AND... there is no effective air defense worldwide but especially in DE and the rest of Europe in the event of a conflict escalating! NO !!!!
Every base, every production site would be within hours .... yes simply GONE !!!!
And that the USA for rockets on Brussels / Berlin / Paris / Warsaw or even the Baltic states .... takes the risk of losing Boston or New York .... don't you think so yourself?
What did Scholz answer at the G7 to the journalists' question "What does the security guarantee for Sweden, Finland, etc. look like?"
What did Scholz say?
Really NOTHING!!!!
As I said, no USA would risk hypersonic noise in their own country for Warsaw or Riga !!!
And hypersonic technology is the ONLY thing keeping USA from escalating…..THANK GOD

Posted by: mac998 | Aug 21 2022 15:18 utc | 365

Posted by: Sensor | Aug 21 2022 0:34 utc | 230

Oh! You may be a graduate of the Anthony Fauci School of Infectious Diseases, where aerosol vectors (airborne "droplets") are not well understood.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 21 2022 15:29 utc | 366

Maybe a better forum for to?
Posted by: Dermotmoconnor | Aug 21 2022 0:17 utc | 224

oh, yes, the Priti Patel School of Commonwealth Economics, Windrush division!

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 21 2022 15:33 utc | 367

restricted to military commandership and not to foreign political decisions.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 20 2022 17:28 utc | 101

Incorrect. Article II, § 2 continues:

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

Until christ FDR--who, incidentally, appointed Cordell Hull to lead the US delegation representing US gov at the London (economic) Conferences between the World Wars--the US Congress strictly limited unilateral powers of the office of POTUS.

Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 21 2022 16:09 utc | 368

Red @341 Re: Assassination of Dugina: "Cui Bono?"

"Cui Bono?" is oftentimes a solid starting point for investigation, but the concept contains a flaw that is revealing itself in current events. The idea rests upon the assumption that the criminal perpetrators have accurately identified how their crime will benefit themselves.

The problem is that the actions of the obvious criminal "masterminds" (I use that term most facetiously) in the US and Lesser Britain behind the assassination have been overwhelmingly self-defeating for a number of years now. We cannot look for actual benefit to the imperial strategists that this crime brings, as doubtless it will bring none at all. Instead we must try to crawl into the twisted, tiny, puerile minds of those Establishment schemers and try to discern what they may have intended to achieve with their criminal behavior.

That is less pleasant than climbing into a sewer so to this end the emissions of barfingcat and trollwoda can be of service as they are cognitive and emotional kin to the psychotic monsters who manage the Empire of Lies & Delusions. They think the same (if you can refer to what goes on in their fugue-fracture minds as 'thought') so we can look to them for clues about what the Empire was expecting to achieve.

Personally, I doubt the Empire's criminals really had much benefit in mind. This was nothing more than Langley lashing out in mindless, spastic desperation. This was the hopelessly outclassed chess player facing checkmate taking an irrelevant pawn out of petty vindictiveness.

Unfortunately, this kind of act is also a short step away from upending the chess table and scattering the pieces in impotent, infantile rage. How much more bonkers will the Empire of Lies & Delusions go?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 21 2022 16:32 utc | 369

Personally, I doubt the Empire's criminals really had much benefit in mind. This was nothing more than Langley lashing out in mindless, spastic desperation. This was the hopelessly outclassed chess player facing checkmate taking an irrelevant pawn out of petty vindictiveness.

Unfortunately, this kind of act is also a short step away from upending the chess table and scattering the pieces in impotent, infantile rage. How much more bonkers will the Empire of Lies & Delusions go?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 21 2022 16:32 utc | 373

Yes, that's the problem, when someone is acting self-destructively, it becomes difficult to "explain".

Interesting to see here who is actually losing their cool.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 21 2022 16:41 utc | 370

Posted by evilsooty999 | Aug 20 2022 20:11 utc | 144:


I should go start a revolution?

You are ridiculous.

You are pathetic.

Have you actively supported effective disruptive influences like Bernie Sanders who helped Hillary show herself as a self-centered elite manipulator during the 2016 primaries (and Biden show himself as a doddering zombie during 2020's) while retaining the respect of the American people in the process (by being selective in choosing fights where he knew how to retain that respect), and a loose cannon like Donald Trump (who helped teach a sizable additional portion of the U.S. electorate to mistrust the MSM and the political establishments)?

Elections don't just result in winners and losers: they significantly increase the visibility of dissatisfaction in the electorate with the people the establishments offer them which can lead toward actual change (Trump regrettably wasted much of his opportunity to enact it while President but is still trying, as is Bernie).

So no one's expecting you to START a revolution, just to get off your ass when people who HAVE gotten off their asses and started laying the groundwork for change offer you the opportunity to help. If you're too lazy to use that opportunity to try to develop at least SOME control over the actions of your country, then FOAD strikes me as the appropriate closing salutation to offer you.

Posted by: StirThePot | Aug 21 2022 20:53 utc | 371

polarbear4
I get RT in Vancouver Canada on any device except cable TV. I used to get it as a part of my basic cable pkg but Telus eventually stripped it after all the Russia hating Pukrainians complained once the Russians finally went in.
I can still watch it on my big screen online though :)

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