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August 08, 2022

Policy By Other Means - By Helmholtz Smith

by Helmholtz Smith

"Hybrid war". Western propagandists love the expression "The bad guys are doing nasty underhand things to counter our clean-cut decent and wholly justified activities" but they are just making noise. As Clausewitz knew, however, there is an actual meaning:

We see, therefore, that War is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means. All beyond this which is strictly peculiar to War relates merely to the peculiar nature of the means which it uses (...) for the political view is the object, War is the means, and the means must always include the object in our conception.

In this sense, all intelligently-conducted wars are "hybrid wars" advancing on many levels to achieve the "political object" by "other means".

What is the "object"?

Moscow knows that NATO/USA is the real enemy and that the wretched Ukrainians are its puppets and their looted and worn-out country is the arena. Putin himself has said that NATO's threat to Russia must be stopped. NATO, and the European Union with which it is closely linked, must be exposed as useless, actively harmful to their members and their hostility defeated.

NATO, which loves to pose as peaceful (despite the five or six wars it's started in the last quarter-century), cannot or will not understand Russia's point of view. Moscow will shove its face in it. Putin says that he has many times tried other means (Munich 2007 being one of the earliest). Those means having failed, he's using these means this time.

Far-ranging aims require a multi-front attack. Let us consider the fronts.

MILITARY FRONT. Putin has explained the aims – denazification and demilitarization Maybe they could have been achieved through negotiation – although years of Kiev ignoring the Minsk Agreements suggest not – but that didn't happen. Maybe Moscow hoped that its feint on Kiev might prevent a bloody slog but that didn't happen either. And so the battle of annihilation is on – Ukraine's military power is being smashed and the Nazis killed.

It's taking a long time for several reasons. Imagine the Western Front trench line but with three times as long to build it and concrete rather than sandbags and wood. Russia and its allies attacked with smaller forces. The allied forces are moving slowly to reduce their casualties and because they are in no particular hurry. The Ukrainians are resisting very tenaciously and NATO is egging them on. The Ukrainian forces are being methodically slaughtered, allied casualties are a fraction of that because "artillery conquers and infantry occupies".

DIPLOMATIC FRONT. The West likes claim that Russia is isolated. But, in terms of population, the so-called "International Community" represents only 15 to 20 percent of the world and the Russians are well-received elsewhere. Here's Lavrov very much in the thick of things at ASEAN, in Africa (note media attempts to spin it away) and the Arab world.

Russia isn't isolated at all and its diplomacy is having effect. US diplomacy, on the other hand, is just threats – Africa is warned, China threatened.

ECONOMIC FRONT. When Moscow began its "special military operation", it expected that Nordstream 2 would be stopped because it knew the West was stuck on the idea that the Russian economy is dependent on selling energy to Europe – "Russia cannot afford to cut its sales of oil". Moscow had its response ready – hostile countries have to pay in rubles.

What's Europe's response? Hurt Putin by not showering. Don't, he doesn't care. Of course the price went up and Moscow has probably completely funded the operation out of the increased revenue. The West is discovering – and, advised as it is by people like Aslund, to its astonishment – that "the country that doesn't make anything" is a big producer of lots of essential things.

Moscow knew Washington would stick Europeans with the check – just as Washington will fight to the last Ukrainian, it will sanction until the last European freezes. The economic war is doing more damage to Russia's enemies. They will either figure this out and change their behavior or they won't and they'll suffer. Moscow waits knowing that it wins either way.

PROPAGANDA FRONT. It is a common sentiment that Moscow is losing the propaganda war but I'm not convinced. Propaganda has to have some basis in truth – instead we have the martyrs of Snake Island miraculously reviving, the ghostly Ghost of Kiev, million-man armies disappearing, Kherson counter attacks put off again, maternity hospital bombings exposed by the bombed-out mothers, bodies thoughtfully left out to be seen, Russia begging China, Iran or North Korea for weapons, another "game-changer" weapon.

Russia was running out of ammunition in March, April, June and July. You have to be pretty comatose to still believe this. The propagandists have lost their skills. And reality leaks out through the holes in these flimsy tales. Witness the reception of the Amnesty International report that Ukrainian tactics are "putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas".

"Putin's propagandists" chides The Times; "cannot be tolerated" says Zelensky; "Russian propaganda" as she quits. No news to us who have seen Azov fighters sheltering behind civilians in Mariupol, weapons hidden in shopping centers, troops setting up in schools. But it's a shocker to believers of the Western narrative (especially Vogue readers!).

Skeptics know that the difference between a conspiracy theory and reported truth is a few months. In June it was Russian disinformation that corrupt officials were selling Western weapons, in August it's news. Zelensky a hero then, corrupt now. Expect more "disinformation" transforming into truth.

JUDO. Putin is well known to be a judo master. Judo is the art of using the opponent's movements against it. That's what we are seeing. On every front Russia has time on its side and escalation dominance. The impotence of NATO and the EU – in fact the actual damage that membership in either brings – is more perceptible every day as winter approaches.

Europe's, the West's, predominance stood on three legs. The power to compel others. The captivating halo of success. The wealth to fund the other two. Watch this little video – not much respect there. I expect we will see more vignettes like this.

The statue is hollow, the Mandate of Heaven is shifting.

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Massive civil disobediance will be required to exterminate them.
Posted by: ld | Aug 9 2022 13:44 utc

EXTERMINATE? Can't let that pass. What kind of civil disobedience, Gandhi-style or Sri lanka-style?

The Convoy was as close to a general strike you are going to see in Canada. You missed the real lesson behind the Convoy... it was intended to incite Trudy to react, in the face of massive supporting demonstrations along every highway the Convoy drove.

As much as the Convoy organizers and Canadians hoped otherwise, Trudy ignored, then verbally abused, then physically attacked PEACEFUL Canadians. For all the world to see.

You think for one second Trudy would not call in even more armed thugs if things escalated beyond a few blocked streets and some noise?

The point of the Convoy was NOT to overthrow what passes for Canadian democracy, it was to encourage Parliament to pass a simple non-confidence motion and put the Covid/WEF agenda to a vote.

The Libs lost the Ontario election to Dougie-the-ex-high-school-drug-dealer FORD??!!?? Because Trudy is a tyrant and we now know it FOR SURE.

So who is going to "exterminate" the WEF Cabal in Canada? Not the courts, not the cops, not the military... You? And what army?

Only Parliament can do this without destroying what little we have left of our socio-political structure. Again, you want a Sri Lanka situation here? If you do, you are in a micro-minority, and few Canadians will follow you into the violence.

Again I ask, if not Poilievre, who?

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 9 2022 14:17 utc | 201

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 9 2022 11:23 utc | 188

Thanks for the correction, sad to say I was taken in by their whole near-miss yarn.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 9 2022 14:30 utc | 202

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 13:57 utc | 200
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Oh, so you went there personally and threw the grenade, eh, Galicien?

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 14:31 utc | 203

Again I ask, if not Poilievre, who?

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 9 2022 14:17 utc | 201
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Take your pick, Saakashvili, Poroshenko, Zelensky, Liz Truss, Andrej Duda, Stoltenberg...😃

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 14:35 utc | 204

The point raised by Ms. Johnstone and linked above by SeanAU @164 is absolutely valid and true. On all of the most important issues, the politicians you vote for or against are identical. You may imagine, for example, that Biden is a huge improvement over Trump, but in actuality any relief you feel over Biden being installed in the White House basement is just due to the Establishment easing up somewhat on blowing the dog whistles and yanking your chains that trigger your hysteria.

We've spent some time discussing how these chains get programmed deep into your psyche by mass media, schools and universities, and churches. We know that chaining people's minds used to be an art but in the last century has become a science.

Ms. Johnstone raises an important question that needs to be addressed before we can move beyond the current tragic state of affairs: "So who IS calling the shots? Please name names. Neo cons?" some Twitterati demands. Ms. Johnstone replies:

If I knew I'd tell you. Some like to pretend they know, but it's actually impossible to know who's calling what shots behind the veils of secrecy. We know it's a loose alliance of plutocrats and government agencies, but the actual dynamics are hidden.

Is the conspiracy really hidden? Is it actually so secret? We can name some of the individuals at the top of the heap who are responsible for the perpetuation of imperial policy: Bezos, Soros, the Kochs, Gates, Buffet, Rothschild, and so on. But you know, we could execute every one of those arrogant assholes at the top of the heap and nothing would change. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

The problem is not who is at the top of the heap. The problem is the heap itself.

Without structure the heap would collapse. So what gives structure to this "heap" of societal power? In the briefest terms the power heap is structured around a view of how the world is supposed to work; an ideology.

That ideology has a name: capitalism.

And practically 100% of the population of the "West" is infected with that ideology, even most of the posters here at the bar.

This isn't a consciously considered and cultivated ideology like Marxists must develop. Capitalist ideology surrounds westerners from the day they are born. It shapes and colors all aspects of your life, even your social interactions (especially that!). Capitalist ideology is so pervasive that it seems to be the natural order of how the world works to all of those whose lives are stewed in it.

An example might help here.

Bernie Sanders professes to be a socialist of some sort, yet he is often accused of being a "sheepdog" for the Establishment. He is accused of deliberately deceiving his followers and cynically herding them back into the Establishment fold. In fact, though, I have worked with Sanders before and can attest that he is entirely genuine, honest, and forthright in his views and beliefs. He doesn't campaign with the intention of being a "sheepdog" for the Establishment. He sincerely wishes to effect positive change.

So why does Sanders fail to deliver like every other politician?

Because despite calling himself a socialist Sander's actual core ideology will always yield to the default for all western peoples: capitalism. To have any ideology other than the default requires a great deal of deliberate effort, and that ideology must be able to stand against capitalist ideology in explicatory power. Less rigorously developed ideologies will always crumble to dust when they confront a society's dominant ideology.

Here is how that works; how capitalist ideology always brutally crushes whatever ideology social democrats might have pieced together:

Bernie gets elected and chooses to use his power to help the little guys. The obvious, morally correct, and fair policy is to raise taxes on those members of society at or near the top of the power heap and use the revenue to fund social programs for the less fortunate. So simple! Why did nobody else ever think of that?

So Sanders crafts his spending bill and presents it to his peers in the Senate. For the sake of this example let's pretend that this bill is perfect and the entire Senate is blown away by it and agrees to consider voting for it.

Alarmed, big business sends in their armies of lobbyists. Highly credentialed quants show up in the offices of the Senators with their PowerPoint presentations, flip charts, case studies, and immaculately documented testimonials from the biggest brains in the field. In painstaking detail and with infinite patience the quants illustrate how raising taxes on the rich will reduce investment, and the reduced investment will result in millions of little people being pink slipped and tossed to the curb from the jobs they currently rely upon. The little guys will thus end up worse off under Sanders' spending bill than they already are!

The worst part? From within the capitalist paradigm those quants are entirely correct. And they have every objection and "What if...?" scenario covered. In fact, if you really want to help the little guy then you should reduce taxes on the wealthy! For any alternative Sanders will have to commit to going beyond capitalism, and unless you are ready for real storming Wall St kind of revolution that just isn't practical.

Sanders has no answers to the quants' logically presented arguments because he is not a steeled Marxist, and so "pragmatism" wins out and the spending bill dies.

People often wonder what happened to all of Europe's vaunted social democrats, and why they all embraced neoliberalism. They didn't sell-out and were not compromised by the CIA (some were, perhaps). Their problem is they abandoned Marxism, and without that every ideology they bring forth to challenge capitalism with gets brutally crushed by the logic of capitalism. Such politicians can thus not change real policy and are left with differentiating on "tone".

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2022 14:37 utc | 205

@rp, if you think some saboteur skulking around after dark with grenades or bags of dynamite was behind this...

There's an interesting question as to what kind of missile Ukraine used and whether it represents new capabilities/weapons that haven't been formally announced, the explanation that it was sabotage or someone smoking in the no-smoking fuel area doesn't pass the giggle test and isn't worth thinking about

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 14:45 utc | 206

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 14:45 utc | 209
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No, I think you are a Galicien. You have that attitude. The Ukraine has a clown as its president, with a narcotics-distorted face.

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 14:51 utc | 207

Margarita Simonyan

And here's what really happened. Several munitions detonated at the storage area. No harm done. The machinery is also intact.

There were no flights. Ukropropaganda can shove its 300-kilometer range into its dimensionless shit-throwers.

And we exhale and go to the beach.

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 14:58 utc | 208

In response to Yenwoda@209,

Why isn't it worth thinking about? Locals are even discussing the possibility of ignition via lightning strike, as there's a lightning storm brewing and bolts were observed over the airbase. Wasn't there an attack on a navy-base in Simferopol using short-range drones with IED's a few days ago? I'd certainly consider both of these explanations as more plausible than "new capabilities/weapons" particularly since nobody on the ground reports having seen anything in the air.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 9 2022 14:59 utc | 209

@Skiffer, I think armed drone(s) is absolutely possible, although it would represent a pretty big failure of Russian air defenses. Hence my point that it's worth discussing whether or not we're seeing "new capabilities" vs. creative use of existing ones.

I've seen speculation of Tochka-U or Neptune being used but don't think they have the accuracy to hit 2 ground sites with accuracy, and I feel like Russian air defenses are pretty "dialed in" against Tochkas anyway. Lightning doesn't strike me as credible, at all - the two sites were a decent distance apart and I think it's extremely unlikely that just one was hit & spread.

AGM-88 HARM missile seems like a legit possibility, as well. It's a real puzzle though!

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 15:17 utc | 210

Message from The Russian Defense Ministry about the explosions in Crimea:

On August 9, at about 15.20, on the territory of the Saki airfield near the Novofedorovka settlement, several aviation ammunition detonated on a bunded storage site.

No one was injured in the explosion. Aviation equipment at the airport was not damaged.

Measures are being taken to extinguish the fire and find out the causes of the explosion.

There was no fire impact on the bunded ammunition storage area at the airfield.

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 15:17 utc | 211

I think armed drone(s) is absolutely possible, although it would represent a pretty big failure of Russian air defenses.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 15:17 utc | 213
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It is not what you think, but what you wish, Galicien. You have an inborn Russo-hate.

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 15:20 utc | 212

@rp, I just hate it when empires interfere with smaller countries and wage war for their "great power" influence games. This invasion is no more virtuous than the US wars in Vietnam or Iraq. Russia waged economic war on Ukraine to push them away from the EU and when the blowback from that got "their guy" removed from power, waged an 8 year dirty war and lied about what they were doing constantly. And now we have people cheering the leveling of cities and villages to "teach NATO a lesson" for blowing up a radio station in Belgrade 25 years ago or whatnot. I think it's really sick stuff, a level of bloodlust that reminds me of Americans calling for the US military to "glass the middle east".

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 15:28 utc | 213

Russia waged economic war on Ukraine to push them away from the EU and when the blowback from that got "their guy" removed from power, waged an 8 year dirty war and lied about what they were doing constantly.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 9 2022 15:28 utc | 216
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Oh, boy!
What a knowledge! Thought like a Galicien!
You are one of the few Russo-hates here, and one of the worse. It can be seen in every post you make. You are just as good as Liz Truss, Zelensky, BoJo, Duda, Stoltenberg, Pelosi and the rest.

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 15:41 utc | 214

William Gruff | Aug 9 2022 14:37 utc | 208
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Great comment, thanks, especially tied to Caitlin Johnstone's commentary on the invisible ubiquity of American propaganda. We're soaking in it. It fits the parable of the frog on the riverbank asking two passing fish, "how's the water?" The two fish look at each other and the frog and ask, "what's water?"

Caitlin closes an article on "Russian Propaganda" with another familiar joke:

A Russian and an American get on a plane in Moscow and get to talking. The Russian says he works for the Kremlin and he’s on his way to go learn American propaganda techniques.

“What American propaganda techniques?” asks the American.

“Exactly,” the Russian replies.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Aug 9 2022 15:41 utc | 215

In response to Yenwoda@213,

They've been pretty lax about drone control on Crimea and in Russia in general, everyone is using them to film their vacation panoramas and the like. Letting a drone through to a military installation wouldn't be a failure on the part of aa but of the servicemen stationed there (Russians demonstratively know how to deal with drones, which don't represent any strategic risk) while letting a missile through from 300km across the border is an entirely new kettle of fish, which is presumably why you'd prefer the latter.

So far there's no video or testimony in support of a missile strike.

Posted by: Skiffer | Aug 9 2022 15:42 utc | 216

Take your pick, Saakashvili, Poroshenko, Zelensky, Liz Truss, Andrej Duda, Stoltenberg...😃

Posted by: rp | Aug 9 2022 14:35 utc

Care to try for a serious answer? C'mon, name someone who actually lives in the country... The Libs tried to dump de facto foreigner Ignatieff on us and we sent that Deep State aristocrat carpetbagger, ex-university room mate to BOB RAE, on his way. Even Harper was a better choice... I never thought I would EVER say that. Mind you Layton, had he lived, could have saved us a LOT of political idiocy.

Apologies to the MoA folks, I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but it can be entertaining to see just how uninformed they can be.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 9 2022 15:49 utc | 217

Care to try for a serious answer? C'mon, name someone who actually lives in the country...

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 9 2022 15:49 utc | 220
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Who runs Canada, or would run it is of no interest. So, you could choose some of those (neo) Nazis from Europe.😃

Posted by: Rp | Aug 9 2022 15:59 utc | 218

Who runs Canada, or would run it is of no interest. So, you could choose some of those (neo) Nazis from Europe.😃
Posted by: Rp | Aug 9 2022 15:59 utc

You mean "of no consequence"? Remedial English class for you. Missed I showed Canadians don't like foreign interlopers?

You REALLY should pick a career you are good at.

An effective response with a bit of historical weight would have been:

"I care not who sits on the throne of England (by modern extension Canada), as long as I control the money supply."

Even though the Lord Rothschild at the time may not have exactly said it, the historical and current reality verifies it.

Keep trying, maybe one day you'll earn your shekels.

Think about it, the Cons aren't going to (can't?) pull the rug out from under Poilievre, he's their only chance to win, even against Trudy. Carest is a fossil, the rest not serious contenders for voters. Watch the video of the last Con leaders "debate". Looks like amateur hour, sitting around a folding table in a corner of an empty a banquet hall.

The NDP is lost, kissing Trudy's butt, the Greens irrelevant. That leaves Trudy as your object of desire. Maybe time to quit while you're behind.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 9 2022 16:45 utc | 219

It is amazing how much you learn on Canadian politics in a thread dedicated to Ukraine as a proxy war…
Personally, Î’m amazed to realize how much Canada is a vassal to the US, and sometimes manages bad business in their behalf, and how little population reacts to this sad situation

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 9 2022 16:50 utc | 220

I have somewhat related question. There exists an organization that is very active on Ukraine, and folks on Twitter make an increasing number of references to it. The acronym is NAFO. Is it North Atlantic Fabulous Organization, or something else? Or there are two versions: for children and for adults?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 9 2022 17:15 utc | 221

@ Doug Hillman | Aug 9 2022 15:41 utc

It fits the parable of the frog on the riverbank asking two passing fish, "how's the water?" The two fish look at each other and the frog and ask, "what's water?"

Not quite how I remember that particular story....

In 2005, David Foster Wallace addressed the graduating class at Kenyon College with a speech that is now one of his most read pieces. In it, he argues, gorgeously, against “unconsciousness, the default setting, the rat race, the constant gnawing sense of having had, and lost, some infinite thing.” He begins with a parable:

There are these two young fish swimming along, and they happen to meet an older fish swimming the other way, who nods at them and says, “Morning, boys. How’s the water?” And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes, “What the hell is water?”


https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/this-is-water

Posted by: majoab | Aug 9 2022 18:33 utc | 222

It is amazing how much you learn on Canadian politics in a thread dedicated to Ukraine as a proxy war…
Personally, Î’m amazed to realize how much Canada is a vassal to the US, and sometimes manages bad business in their behalf, and how little population reacts to this sad situation

Posted by: Daniel | Aug 9 2022 16:50 utc

The topic is "policy by other means". The current Canadian gov't, as well as previous ones, are part and parcel of that.

Whatever "Western"/ZATO country you are in is probably as much a vassal as Canada, don't kid yourself. You missed the point that Canada has a Ukie-nazi for Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister, who sits on the board of the WEF, who purposefully helped get the Ukraine situation to where it is today? Freeland, the Soros/Schwab puppet. I doubt she will be in Parliament after the next election.

You missed the Convoy where huge crowds of Canadians stood cheering on roadsides and bridges in the coldest winter in recent memory? Where Trudy sent out his para-military/police thugs and snipers to abuse peaceful, unarmed LEGALLY protesting citizens. Tried to create a Canadian Maidan? But his snipers wouldn't kill people and police for the paltry sum of US$5,000, as happened in Kiev in 2014? The Maidan snipers were probably equipped with "sporting" rifles from Canada, which then-PM Harper approved the sale/transport of.

As for how Canadians deal with tyrants? Until the system completely collapses, we go to the ballot box. Y'know where you put those unhackable bits of paper in the box and at least 3 citizens count them.

Most of the US electoral problems are due to electronic voting machines and uncontrolled distribution of absentee ballots.

But you're right, ONLY look at Ukraine, don't consider any other similar political scenarios being played out in countries where the weapons, training and "advisers" for the Ukie-nazis come from.

If I was posting about the same situation in German politics, no one would raise an eyebrow here.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 9 2022 18:54 utc | 223

there shouldn't be any real reason to pity the inhabitants west of the Russian/Belarussian borders, including the Baltics and Scandinavian countries.
Posted by rp (176)

I believe the Kremlin is well aware that said inhabitants*, having little control over their countries' affairs, don't want this any more than the next person here, and hence is not as eager to write them off so easily.

(* Poland and the Baltics may be exceptions, but we might never know - there could still be some nuance.)

Posted by: Digby | Aug 9 2022 20:11 utc | 224

People often wonder what happened to all of Europe's vaunted social democrats, and why they all embraced neoliberalism. They didn't sell-out and were not compromised by the CIA (some were, perhaps). Their problem is they abandoned Marxism, and without that every ideology they bring forth to challenge capitalism with gets brutally crushed by the logic of capitalism. Such politicians can thus not change real policy and are left with differentiating on "tone".

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2022 14:37 utc | 208

Thanks this is very well articulated and a good explanation for the sheeple effect. Something I've become aware of is that people don't want to know how things work in general because management is complicated and boring. I think part of the antidote to this is local authority and accountability, something humans can relate to. I believe that China has a version of this.
Current Marxist and Socialist countries have come to their unique solutions to the accountability conundrum. it is key that we humans participate in the process at all levels and not leave it to a permanent state bureaucracy/corporatocracy. One every three years at the ballot box is the antithesis of responsibility and accountability.

Posted by: K | Aug 10 2022 3:40 utc | 225

Ukraine will never admit they were responsible because that would give the Russians an excise to declare war and it would show the assurances they gave to the USA about not attacking Russian territory were BS.

Posted by: Kaiama | Aug 10 2022 8:31 utc | 226

Patroklos @87, Karlof1@97

Brilliant and insightful posts!

The ancient Chinese philosophy and set of rules, such as 道义(Dao Yi: moral righteousness/ principles and just), 师出有名(Shī Chū Yǒu Míng: to start a war, one needs right reasons and proper ritual/procedure), still guide pretty every aspect of China's decision-making and thinking process. Because we still blieve without these, you wouldn't get Heaven's blessings to do whatever you set to do.

China's Rejuvenation is 道义之事(Dao Yi Zhi Shi, a moral righteous and just thing to do), re-unification with Taiwan as part of it (de-colonisation in karlof1's words), that China should and would give her best in this great endeavour.

Just wonder IF The Western could have stuck to Romans' set of rules and its native beliefs/philoshophy depicted by Patroklos instead of being usurped with Chritianity, a foreign religion from Middle East and rooted in Judaism, would the Western be different than it is today: "no trust, no honour, no belief, no meaning"?

(Please forgive me if my remarks here make some Chritians feel offended.)

Posted by: lulu | Aug 10 2022 13:08 utc | 227

@Skiffer, like I said - not sabotage. These are some seriously big craters so not drones or (lol) lightning either. Accuracy way too close to Tochkas, craters too big for HARM, my money is on Neptunes which I guess have GPS guidance in addition to INS (learned that yesterday to my surprise). Or ATACMS but I really doubt they have those.

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 10 2022 20:13 utc | 228

Oops @Skiffer, forgot to link

https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1557448728449097730

Posted by: Yenwoda | Aug 10 2022 20:13 utc | 229

pogohere | Aug 9 2022 7:06 utc | 156

China: Will it now Toss Caution to the Wind?
Alastair Crooke

8-15-22

Paradoxically, the defining event - that may tie all these Russian initiatives together – took place thousands of miles from the Region: The Pelosi visit to Taiwan that so infuriated Beijing.

It is not the immediate Chinese military reaction, nor China’s cancellation of a series of bilateral channels of communication with the US, that is the point here; but rather, that the pace and intensity of US-China tension is set to go up -- changing that relationship forever.

It would seem that China has come to understand that Biden lied. Three times he said explicitly said that the US would militarily defend Taiwan, in the event of a Chinese forced takeover of the island. Each time these statements were walked back by Biden staffers: ‘Oh, you know, Biden is apt to mis-speak’. He, Biden, really, truly stands by the One China policy.

That was not true.

Well, the Chinese eyes have been opened. They firstly understand now, that the US intends to do everything possible to ensure that a peaceful reunification never takes place. This insight has touched the still raw nerve of China’s 'Century of Humiliation' by western powers, seizing and occupying portions of China.

Secondly, they must understand that it flows from the latter insight that reunification must be forced – by one way, or another - against US wishes. And thirdly, that the window of opportunity (or at least, the opportunity to do so without starting a major war), will gradually be closed on them.

These two points imply that the US-China relations can never be the same again.

Posted by: pogohere | Aug 15 2022 7:07 utc | 230

Just wonder IF The Western could have stuck to Romans' set of rules and its native beliefs/philoshophy depicted by Patroklos instead of being usurped with Chritianity, a foreign religion from Middle East and rooted in Judaism, would the Western be different than it is today: "no trust, no honour, no belief, no meaning"?

(Please forgive me if my remarks here make some Chritians feel offended.)

Posted by: lulu | Aug 10 2022 13:08 utc | 230

I would say the problem starts with the Frankish civilization, along with Crooke, which came from nomad peoples, and had no experience of Roman culture as it was. You add to that monotheistic religion, and the enlightenment, which was good, but which was then taken to mean reason was all that was needed, which was wrong. And you get the current yeasty brew, and one utopian folly after another.

And we never got rid of our old aristocratic elites, they still bedevil us.

Thank you for your comment.

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 15 2022 10:44 utc | 231

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