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August 08, 2022

Policy By Other Means - By Helmholtz Smith

by Helmholtz Smith

"Hybrid war". Western propagandists love the expression "The bad guys are doing nasty underhand things to counter our clean-cut decent and wholly justified activities" but they are just making noise. As Clausewitz knew, however, there is an actual meaning:

We see, therefore, that War is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means. All beyond this which is strictly peculiar to War relates merely to the peculiar nature of the means which it uses (...) for the political view is the object, War is the means, and the means must always include the object in our conception.

In this sense, all intelligently-conducted wars are "hybrid wars" advancing on many levels to achieve the "political object" by "other means".

What is the "object"?

Moscow knows that NATO/USA is the real enemy and that the wretched Ukrainians are its puppets and their looted and worn-out country is the arena. Putin himself has said that NATO's threat to Russia must be stopped. NATO, and the European Union with which it is closely linked, must be exposed as useless, actively harmful to their members and their hostility defeated.

NATO, which loves to pose as peaceful (despite the five or six wars it's started in the last quarter-century), cannot or will not understand Russia's point of view. Moscow will shove its face in it. Putin says that he has many times tried other means (Munich 2007 being one of the earliest). Those means having failed, he's using these means this time.

Far-ranging aims require a multi-front attack. Let us consider the fronts.

MILITARY FRONT. Putin has explained the aims – denazification and demilitarization Maybe they could have been achieved through negotiation – although years of Kiev ignoring the Minsk Agreements suggest not – but that didn't happen. Maybe Moscow hoped that its feint on Kiev might prevent a bloody slog but that didn't happen either. And so the battle of annihilation is on – Ukraine's military power is being smashed and the Nazis killed.

It's taking a long time for several reasons. Imagine the Western Front trench line but with three times as long to build it and concrete rather than sandbags and wood. Russia and its allies attacked with smaller forces. The allied forces are moving slowly to reduce their casualties and because they are in no particular hurry. The Ukrainians are resisting very tenaciously and NATO is egging them on. The Ukrainian forces are being methodically slaughtered, allied casualties are a fraction of that because "artillery conquers and infantry occupies".

DIPLOMATIC FRONT. The West likes claim that Russia is isolated. But, in terms of population, the so-called "International Community" represents only 15 to 20 percent of the world and the Russians are well-received elsewhere. Here's Lavrov very much in the thick of things at ASEAN, in Africa (note media attempts to spin it away) and the Arab world.

Russia isn't isolated at all and its diplomacy is having effect. US diplomacy, on the other hand, is just threats – Africa is warned, China threatened.

ECONOMIC FRONT. When Moscow began its "special military operation", it expected that Nordstream 2 would be stopped because it knew the West was stuck on the idea that the Russian economy is dependent on selling energy to Europe – "Russia cannot afford to cut its sales of oil". Moscow had its response ready – hostile countries have to pay in rubles.

What's Europe's response? Hurt Putin by not showering. Don't, he doesn't care. Of course the price went up and Moscow has probably completely funded the operation out of the increased revenue. The West is discovering – and, advised as it is by people like Aslund, to its astonishment – that "the country that doesn't make anything" is a big producer of lots of essential things.

Moscow knew Washington would stick Europeans with the check – just as Washington will fight to the last Ukrainian, it will sanction until the last European freezes. The economic war is doing more damage to Russia's enemies. They will either figure this out and change their behavior or they won't and they'll suffer. Moscow waits knowing that it wins either way.

PROPAGANDA FRONT. It is a common sentiment that Moscow is losing the propaganda war but I'm not convinced. Propaganda has to have some basis in truth – instead we have the martyrs of Snake Island miraculously reviving, the ghostly Ghost of Kiev, million-man armies disappearing, Kherson counter attacks put off again, maternity hospital bombings exposed by the bombed-out mothers, bodies thoughtfully left out to be seen, Russia begging China, Iran or North Korea for weapons, another "game-changer" weapon.

Russia was running out of ammunition in March, April, June and July. You have to be pretty comatose to still believe this. The propagandists have lost their skills. And reality leaks out through the holes in these flimsy tales. Witness the reception of the Amnesty International report that Ukrainian tactics are "putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas".

"Putin's propagandists" chides The Times; "cannot be tolerated" says Zelensky; "Russian propaganda" as she quits. No news to us who have seen Azov fighters sheltering behind civilians in Mariupol, weapons hidden in shopping centers, troops setting up in schools. But it's a shocker to believers of the Western narrative (especially Vogue readers!).

Skeptics know that the difference between a conspiracy theory and reported truth is a few months. In June it was Russian disinformation that corrupt officials were selling Western weapons, in August it's news. Zelensky a hero then, corrupt now. Expect more "disinformation" transforming into truth.

JUDO. Putin is well known to be a judo master. Judo is the art of using the opponent's movements against it. That's what we are seeing. On every front Russia has time on its side and escalation dominance. The impotence of NATO and the EU – in fact the actual damage that membership in either brings – is more perceptible every day as winter approaches.

Europe's, the West's, predominance stood on three legs. The power to compel others. The captivating halo of success. The wealth to fund the other two. Watch this little video – not much respect there. I expect we will see more vignettes like this.

The statue is hollow, the Mandate of Heaven is shifting.

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The Americans are going to meet the Mandate from Heaven very soon!

China's PLA is almost ready to militarily take over Taiwan and defeat the Americans conventionally, not 110% ready as they want to be.

Here is an excellent video on the capabilities and numbers of the PLA vs. the USA:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gpnfwVIbd2Y

Happy August 8, everyone!!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 8 2022 7:17 utc | 1

This article is confusing.

It begins with the premise of "hybrid war" and suggests all military conflict involves "hybrid war" which is the extension of the conflict into social, political, economic realms. "Hybrid war" is therefore understood to be synonymous with "total war."

World War I was a "total war" and included all aspects listed as "hybrid war." The German government gave Lenin free passage to the Finland Station as they were aware he would provoke civil unrest which would undermine Russian ability to continue the conflict. The UK created a false telegram suggesting Germany conspiring with Mexico to attack the US. This message was revealed to the US and caused it to enter the war which outcome was the objective of the telegram. T.E. Lawrence assisted in raising an "arab revolt" for the express purpose of weakening German/Ottoman military forces in the contested Middle East.

The same was true of World War II. It was also "total war" which included all aspects of "hybrid war."

What is remarkable about the Ukrainian conflict is that it demonstrates all aspects of a "hybrid war" in the complete absence of any official formal declaration of war. There exists no war; yet all the means of achieving a desired end - propaganda, information control, deception, economic sanction, blockade, covert military support etc. are all present.

What this means is that there no longer exists any demarcation between peace and war. All the measures used in total war are now freely applied during a period of ostensible peace. When Putin and others declare the US to no longer be "agreement capable" it is due to the fact the US feels entitled to utilize any means to achieve its interests. The US is free to "lie, cheat, and steal" as famously declared by Secretary of State Pompeo. The US, and its western allies, have arrogated to themselves the right to act as they wish in order to enforce their interests; there no longer exist any moral or ethical boundaries on permitted conduct.

The Americans say one thing to China, they sign formal documents which state the American position, and they are free to act as they wish to achieve "full spectrum dominance."

It is this utter lack of restraint, the refusal to act in accord with accepted diplomatic protocols, the abnegation of ethical standards of conduct, the belief that one can do as one wishes without suffering any form of retribution, that is placing the world on the path to global conflict.

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 8 2022 7:28 utc | 2

A good high-level summation of the last decades up to the current situation.

Everyone will want to add details but then it won't be a summary any more.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 8 2022 7:32 utc | 3

A very solid Essay, thought provoking. Some comments:

Military Front - NATOland is Setting up for a very long war. From NATOland’s perspective, Ukraine is only one theater of many. We can expect all sorts of de-stabilization efforts on the periphery of Russia/Eurasia.

Diplomatic Front - it’s slowly dawning on State that 80% of the world is ignoring them We can expect a big push made to corral neutrals back on the reservation. Color Revolutions or similar regime change will be tried in India, Mexico, Brazil, etc.etc.

Economic Front - it’s unlikely that Euro politicians will change their sanctions tune. Euro Pols are intensely Atlantists. Even if the current Euro gov‘ts fall and new elections are held; the new gov‘t will still be Atlantist. The only real possibility for a change in European attitude towards Eurasian lies in Washington. Only, If there is a dramatic change in Washington‘s foreign policy consensus will the Euros change. And….the only way the Washington foreign policy consensus might change is through collapse or revolution. De-dollarization might be the catalyst for either of those unwelcome events. However, de-dollarization will take many years.

Propaganda Front - other than within NATOland; most of the world has accepted the narrative of Moscow and Peking. Check the MFA Websites of various neutrals. They are very much reflecting the Moscow/Peking point of view.

Just some further thoughts on this very good essay.


Posted by: Exile | Aug 8 2022 7:42 utc | 4

Re: propaganda. The West wins on the home ground, and using the best arguments possible: comprehensive purge of opposing voices from "responsible media" (owned by the state and corporations) and vilification of the rest. Most people have some tribal instinct and the need to feel together, and they will go for that. Outside that ground, lame arguments and ignoring the basic facts may trickle to Chinese, Russians and Indians, but I cannot imagine many people there getting hold of it and developing mistrust of the domestic media as a result. Neither rationality not tribal sentiments are in favor of accepting that dreck.

Re: economic front. Russian government, derided by many leftist as "Neo-liberal", is advised by people who know about economic planning and war economy. Why Putin delayed the war for eight years? To develop sufficient import replacement and to get a period of tight commodity prices. It is true that Russia may miss this and that among "essential components", but not enough to crush the economy. Russia possesses many key technology and can develop "missing pieces" that are less necessary that some Westerners think. In the same time, the ability to absorb economic advise seems to be lost among Western governments. Except for "napkin drawings" of finance theorists and "green economists". Russian economy was restructured for resiliency in several important ways, and western, not so much. We are not talking about Venezuela.

Re: military front. Certain Western prediction were actually right. Ukrainian army vastly over performed expectations, at least mine. However, it is to a large extend by tolerating high manpower losses that Russia strives to avoid. Another prediction was about massive local resistance. Perhaps not exactly massive, but sufficiently bothersome that Russia decided to withdraw from non-Russian-language-majority areas. In controlled areas we had some very isolated terrorist incidents that probably matter little. Vulnerability to missiles, delivered with quite a bit of delay seems smallish. Example 1: hitting logistic hubs. Solution: disperse storage. Example 2: destroying key bridges. Solution: quickly assemble pontoon bridges (and adding more gadgets to air defenses).

Demographically, both Russia and Ukraine have a "hole" for people born around 2000, but Ukraine more so. Hence Ukraine has to mobilize middle and not-so-middle aged folks. War maniacs in those age groups exist, but those were recruited earlier, older people are harder to mold into obedient self-sacrificing mass than the younger, and there are other structural limitations. Both economy and the military need people with mechanical skills, operating and maintaining machinery, and if you mobilize "enough" to patch the holes in the frontlines, there may be not enough to operate what remained of civilian production, transport etc.

And now, ammo and weapons. Does Russia have enough? With their tactics, even if the production is too slow, the military effort can be slower, with enough firepower to stop attempts for major counterattacks. While Ukraine seems to be reduced to be a recipient of gifted weapons and materiel. Russia has the latitude how to pace operations. Now it seems to intensify once again, but options both for escalating and also for stopping, relatively speaking.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 7:51 utc | 5

Nothing new, just a compilation of various sources that I read daily. No-one has "real" information; the players hold their cards close, as they should. Russia will almost certainly "win" though Putin, basically a dove, wants to spare his fellow Russo-Ukrainians as much pain as he can and leave something for the survivors.
China will win, but has the same problem, a fratricidal war with Taiwan, so it waits. No-one knows how long, but remember the Art of War was written 1000 yrs before Europe or Russia even existed.
So as we say in Asia, "Nothing arrives late or early. It always arrives exactly on time". (Only a fool believes timetables).

Posted by: JGarbo | Aug 8 2022 7:55 utc | 6

Kipling 1922
Now it is not good for the western health to hustle the eastern brown
For the Western riles and the Brown man smiles and he wears the western down
And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased
And the epitaph drear: A fool lies here who tried to hustle the East

Posted by: boindub | Aug 8 2022 8:18 utc | 7

I have started thinking that this hybrid warefare is just "Corporate" warfare, taken to a completely new dangerous level. Take over a country? It becomes just a "hostile buyout" by economic raiders, to get hold of the assets and market share the others hold. Change the "Direction". Shaft the workers (soldiers are only workers after all), by using them as disposables as usual. The reserves (Gold and other monetary reserves) can be looted and "transferred" to new ownership. Patents and production can be transferred too. (Taiwanese chip makers ?)
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OK. Only my hypothesis, but the increased knowledge we have about the financial gains expected from a successful takeover, aka Russian Oil/Gas/minerals, and the "parts of the market" now transformed into monopolies or totally owned subsidiaries, (EU, Iraq etc,) Elimination of competitors (Libyian African independence), suggest the same mentality is at work. There are no "ethics" of warfare visible or wanted, in an unregulated corporate dictatorship.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 8 2022 8:20 utc | 8

I think it's apparent.
Every peer nation can play asymmetric warfare now.
The Western monopoly is over.
It's all about robust energy supply.
And that's over as well.
New version of the pecking order is happening as we watch.

Posted by: Jpc | Aug 8 2022 8:21 utc | 9

There are no "ethics" of warfare visible or wanted, in an unregulated corporate dictatorship.
Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 8 2022 8:20 utc | 9

That was the plan for Russian resources post the break up collapse of the USSR.

Posted by: Jpc | Aug 8 2022 8:31 utc | 10

policy by other means.. raises the long standing question of democracy: should policy reflect the intentions of those who govern or those who are the governed?

IMO, USA foreign policy <=Changes are needed ..
USA foreign policy is conducted mostly in secret and operates mostly without voter oversight.

IANAL

The constitution divides the voters into those elected and those not elected and grants powers to those elected to operate the government, but where does it give those who operate the government any power to be silent about their activities? Does the logic of overruling Roe v Wade make secrecy agreements and state secrecy unconstitutional?

If there is no constitutional power for state secrets, and if there is a duty to keep the voters fully informed, then there is no need for an independent media.

The independent media has no obligation to the voters, and so it can lie, promote, restrain, or false narrative its way along; but power of, and the need for, an independent media would be greatly diminished if government were obliged to accurately, timely and fully disclose its activities to those who are the voters.

I believe if the voters were making the decisions foreign policy would be different.

also I agree with stonebird @ 9 "..this hybrid warfare is just "Corporate" warfare, taken to a completely new dangerous level." and the government is the pawn in the middle.

Posted by: snake | Aug 8 2022 8:55 utc | 11

I’m very surprised at how open the Internet is in the conflict zones. There are a number of pro-Ukrainian sites on Youtube showing live webcams from both sides of the fighting, and on some cameras in places like Donetsk you can see (and I have seen) Russian military vehicles pass. That strikes me as a massive security hole that Russia/DPR/LPR should be filling. You only need someone to do a bit of geolocation, zero in an artillery piece and wait, unless the cameras can be somehow delayed. Similarly there’s a feed of a Donetsk shopfront and the commenters are openly discussing whether ‘Z’ troops use the shop.

I’d have thought it a priority to locate and shut down or delay all webcams in Novorossiya that could show Allied military movements.

Another thing to consider is phone/internet comms – I see 6 people in Bakhmut were arrested overnight (there’s a tweet that they were all shot and killed, but it’s totally unconfirmed) on charges of being “Russian sympathisers”, which presumably means giving away UKR troop positions. We know it happens (UKR soldiers and mercenaries have been complaining about it forever) but the fairly recent arrests of more than 700 people near the front lines seems to imply that UKR are getting better at detecting it.

Are they, probably with US/UK help, monitoring phones and web comms? If so, the Allies need to think how people can help them without endangering themselves. Tricky problem.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 9:46 utc | 12

NB - the pro-Ukraine youtube site ObservationRoom has removed the feeds with the shop and the crossroads where 'Z' vehicles pass, but I'm not sure if that means the webcams no longer exist or if they are being monitored now by UKR.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 9:57 utc | 13

Hybrid warfare is a grand term but I’m not convinced that grand terms win wars. I think there was an episode of family guy where Stewie went to a baseball game. The ball was hit into the crowd and Stewie caught it. The kid beside him offered to trade his bay for the ball and Stewie agreed. He then hit the kid with the bat and took back the ball and asked, “have you learned anything?” (My memory may be faulty). But, as given, was Stewie waging hybrid warfare? He certainly realised that unless he cot the bat himself his possession of the ball was at risk.

Posted by: Peter Griffin | Aug 8 2022 10:16 utc | 14

Posted by: boindub | Aug 8 2022 8:18 utc | 7
Bravo re the poem. I love Kipling the poet , even if I don’t like the man.
Nice original poem.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Aug 8 2022 10:21 utc | 15

Recently I’ve been reading ‘ The Globalization of Poverty and the New World Order’ by Michel Chossudovsky. It’s a sort of ‘must read’ for those interested in US and Atlanticist domination. Chossudovsky examinés as a sort of economic anthropologist the apparently intentional devastation wreaked by the IMF and the World Bank on targeted countries/regions. The book makes for extremely distressing reading which of course engenders extreme anger as well as frustration - in this reader at least.

Posted by: Valérie Swales | Aug 8 2022 10:21 utc | 16

I agree with your point , but not the details.

Ancient Greece existed , and Rome was just a few centuries into its formation. Europe most certainly existed, it was just that the Anglo-Saxon Central European World was not part of Europe yet.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Aug 8 2022 10:25 utc | 17

Well, you heard it here first ... in Germany`s prominent evening news broadcast heute-journal, the attack on the Zaporizhzhya NPP was reported, of course introduced by Selenskij himself. Then, a guy called Gustav Gressel (Military Expert) happens by, declaring that since they took control of the NPP, the Russian troops have used the facility to store weapons and ammunition there, knowing that the Ukrainians wouldn`t shoot at it.

Here`s the relevant snippet, in German.

According to the report, Ukraine still blames Russia for the attack, the reporter at the end "asks" whether the Russian have attacked their own facility, when they knew it was a nuclear power plant and they`ve stored their ammo there? Well, despite the glaring stupidity in Selenskij`s claims, all the news report says is that "the information cannot be verified independently".

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Aug 8 2022 10:28 utc | 18

Thanks B and Helmholtz Smith for a good summary.

NATO, which loves to pose as peaceful (despite the five or six wars it's started in the last quarter-century)

- and criminal wars of aggression, let's not forget to emphasise!

(instead we have the martyrs of Snake Island miraculously reviving - Eh? What was that? I missed that one.)

"Russian propaganda" as she quits. - 2022-08-06-head-of-amnesty-ukraine-resigns--accusing-organization-of-serving--russian-propaganda

Well, if she was head of Amnesty in Ukraine, then it is 100% guaranteed that she was 100% CIA/MI6 employee. I know that from personal experience.

Actually, Amnesty has some good people in it, dedicated to their mission to promote (honest) human rights - at the local level. As a certain local Amnesty head explained to me years ago, the problem is Amnesty "International". Constitutionally, all local Amnesty groups are prohibited from any activities that have any international bearing, unless they have full authorisation from "Amnesty International Headquarters" in London - which is exclusively run by and in total control of MI6, CIA etc. Also any time any district becomes a hot potato, immediately its district head is moved to another region and a safe agent put in charge.

I assume it was the local (honest) activists in Amnesty who arranged to slip out the Ukraine report - probably requiring some sleight of hand to evade censure from the spooks above. Congratulations to those brave souls for doing that - much like the OPCW dissident leaks of the Douma reports. Let's try and keep track of where that resigned Amnesty-Ukraine spook goes for her next assignment!

Posted by: BM | Aug 8 2022 11:03 utc | 19

Brother Ma @15

Yes, Kipling was a complex character who held views that were questionable, yet wrote poetry that could be inspiring, eg, "IF".

His novel "Kim" could only be written by someone with not just a respect for Eastern culture, but a love for it, a "feel" for it.

Posted by: Steve from Oz | Aug 8 2022 11:09 utc | 20

Ukrainian army vastly over performed expectations, at least mine. However, it is to a large extend by tolerating high manpower losses that Russia strives to avoid.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 8 2022 7:51 utc | 5
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Why should Zelly care for the Ukrainian males? After all they are Slavs, not Jews as he is.

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 11:36 utc | 21

Evgeny Balitsky, who calls himself the head of the administration of the Zaporozhye region of Ukraine, signed a decree on a referendum "on the issue of reunification with Russia," TASS and RIA Novosti correspondents report. The timing of the referendum has not been specified.

The document was signed within the framework of the forum of the social movement of the Zaporozhye region "We are together with Russia" in Melitopol. More than 700 people came to the forum, called "delegates from all over the region." They "unanimously raised their hand" in agreement to hold a referendum.

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 11:39 utc | 22

@Sushi - "What is remarkable about the Ukrainian conflict is that it demonstrates all aspects of a "hybrid war" in the complete absence of any official formal declaration of war. There exists no war; yet all the means of achieving a desired end - propaganda, information control, deception, economic sanction, blockade, covert military support etc. are all present."

Absolutely true. Thirty years of overt lies and broken treaties has left us with a postmodern post Cold War environment in which words mean nothing.

Posted by: JBirks | Aug 8 2022 11:49 utc | 23

BBC now reporting a Western think tank’s finding that Russia has run out of munitions and weapon systems. This, apparently, is the West’s opportunity, by tightening export controls against suppliers via for e.g. Hong Kong of silicon of preventing Russia’s ability to wage war. Permanently.

They really are gaslighting the public, further explaining the rise in fuel prices by over 400% in less than 6 months to “the war in Ukraine”. Nothing about sanctions, nothing about the manipulation of the spot market for oil giving rise to grotesque profits for BP etc.

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 8 2022 12:10 utc | 24

Maria Zakharova

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying compared the US policy towards other countries to the killing of George Floyd.

"We cannot allow the United States to consider itself the 'world policeman' and treat other countries like George Floyd, whom they intimidated and strangled at will."

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 12:12 utc | 25

BBC now reporting a Western think tank’s finding that Russia has run out of munitions and weapon systems. This, apparently, is the West’s opportunity, by tightening export controls against suppliers via for e.g. Hong Kong of silicon of preventing Russia’s ability to wage war. Permanently.

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 8 2022 12:10 utc | 24

Who would have guessed this "news"? They've been saying the same thing for months, since March at any rate.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 8 2022 12:17 utc | 26

This is what I mean about Russian/DPR internet security. Here's a 'Z' vehicle in real time pulling up in Donetsk, on a live webcam channel run by pro-Ukrainians.

https://i.postimg.cc/9QCGtYks/Observation-Room.jpg

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 12:26 utc | 27

The UK created a false telegram suggesting Germany conspiring with Mexico to attack the US. This message was revealed to the US and caused it to enter the war which outcome was the objective of the telegram.
Posted by: Sushi | Aug 8 2022 7:28 utc | 2

There was no "false" telegram, get your facts right. The Zimmermann Code was an encrypted telegram from Germany to their embassy in Mexico, concerning a proposed alliance between Germany, Mexico and Japan if America would enter the war. The British managed to break the code of the telegram, and also related correspondence.

Posted by: BM | Aug 8 2022 12:47 utc | 28

Now an APC and after that a minibus of troops heading for the shop. Don't they know they're on Ukrainian cameras for the world to see?

https://i.postimg.cc/3N3Lq0Jw/Observation-Room2.jpg

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 12:51 utc | 29

Yuri Podolayaka

Zaluzhny reported to Zelensky about the heavy losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the eastern front, due to the offensive of the Russian troops and the lack of artillery from our military. On the day, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lose up to 300 soldiers killed and 500 wounded, which already exceeds the losses during the defense of Severodonetsk!!!

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 12:54 utc | 30

More evidence of the hybrid war by west!

Pentagon-hired contractors ‘everywhere on battlefield’ in Ukraine – media
US “auxiliaries” are propping up Kiev’s armed forces, French intelligence reportedly believes
https://thepressunited.com/updates/pentagon-hired-contractors-everywhere-on-battlefield-in-ukraine-media/

Posted by: Zanon | Aug 8 2022 13:34 utc | 31

I think Russia is working on the premise that the best propaganda is... drumroll... the truth, facts that stand the test of time.

The test of time is what eventually betrays the liars and grifters that infest too many gov'ts, supra-national orgs (UN, WEF etc.) and corporations. They first have to "win" to be the victors writing history. Even in brainwashed USA, few people would say Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc. were "victories". That may be a significant reason Russia/China are not in a hurry to resolve the skirmishes/wars the Rothschild-class is accustomed to using to their chaos-benefit.

The thing about propaganda is, once it has been seen it for what it is and who propagates it, people easily learn to discern it. But that ability comes either from a well developed set of critical thinking skills or from the propaganda becoming glaringly inconsistent with the truth of our individual lives over time.

The US/ZATO/WEF are having increasing trouble squaring the propaganda circle of sanctions, regime changes and wars as a means to make life better for their citizens. And the worse things get for us "Western" peons, the more of us learn to see the gaping holes in the Rothschild-class narrative.

Think about it, Europeans are being "asked" to sacrifice a large part of their standard of living to "save" the Ukraine. It would be remarkable if said EU serfs didn't ask, "WTF has Ukraine ever done for EU citizens"?

The whole "virtue-signalling" industry is failing, and unless Russia, China and the ROW can rehabilitate the biggest virtue-signal organization on the planet, the UN, it will soon cease to be the "must attend" global forum. The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.

Despite the slick graphics and soothing tone, "You will own nothing, rent everything and you will be happy" has been flipped, and is now the rallying cry of those opposing the WEF agenda. The Rothschild-class plan was to pump NATO/EU economies with inflationary fiat currency long enough to "show" how comfortable the "transition" was going to be to a utopian WEF/Bilderberg/Davos-controlled world.

I'd say Dutch farmers spraying their politicians with manure, interminable yellow vest assemblies in France, peaceful (if noisy) Canadian truckers goading Trudy, bogus vaccine mandates and a war in Ukraine increasingly being exposed for the 0.001% power/cash-grab it was. In each case, the WEF acolytes publicly sent out the thugs. Worked against Occupy Wall Street, so why not? Further, it is showing the "transition" would only be smooth until the Rothschild-class thought they were beyond the point where resistance to their global neo-serfdom scam could be mounted.

So the Rothschild-class iron fist inside the velvet WEF glove is steadily revealed by their own actions. Tyrants will be tyrants.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 13:37 utc | 32

@YetAnotherAnon #27, 29
What exactly is the benefit of censoring webcams in non-combat areas, when the other side has full access and benefit to US satellite reconnaissance and intelligence?

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 8 2022 13:37 utc | 33

From IntelSlava

🇷🇺🇷🇸⚡A Russian military base will appear in Europe

Russian Ambassador in Belgrade Alexander Botsan-Kharchenkov said that a Russian military base would be set up in Serbia.

He stressed that this decision is a sovereign affair of the republic and Russia itself.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 8 2022 13:50 utc | 34

@boindub
In my "Rudyard Kipling's Verse, Inclusive Edition 1885-1918" published 1923 by Doubleday, Page and Company, the poem you quoted reads like this:

Now it is not good for the Christian's health to hustle the Aryan
brown,
For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the
Christian down;
And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the
late deceased,
And the epitaph drear: "A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the
East."

Posted by: DesertBunny | Aug 8 2022 13:57 utc | 35

crue - "What exactly is the benefit of censoring webcams in non-combat areas, when the other side has full access and benefit to US satellite reconnaissance and intelligence?"

I may be wrong, but I doubt even US/NATO have full info 24/7 on the whereabouts of every DPR/Z vehicle? I would have thought it could be useful in real time with geolocation.

The Observation Room youtube channel says "We dont show Ukraine army movements or checkpoints for security reasons."

I assume they know what they're talking about. Why are hundreds arrested in frontline towns for giving away the locations of Ukrainian forces?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 14:09 utc | 36

YetAnotherAnon @ 12

Military Summary has reported that every property was entered and every cellphone was checked in Mykolaiv. Some were arrested.

Those videos are probably hacked cameras. There is a website will millions of hacked cameras streaming live globally. I will check it. The Russians are probably doing the same thing quietly.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 8 2022 14:12 utc | 37

@YetAnotherAnon #36
Every vehicle in Russia and/or Ukraine, no.
But every major and most/all minor transportation hubs and assembly areas? Absolutely yes.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 8 2022 14:16 utc | 38

@circumspect #37

hacked cameras: very likely.

Vidcams are the most hacked IOT items around, because their high bandwidth requirements are ideal for DDOS nets and also because the vast majority are cheap Chinese crap with even more crap security.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 8 2022 14:17 utc | 39

circumspect - thank you. There are other cameras they sometimes show, in the Donetsk suburbs, also with Z hardware movements.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 14:17 utc | 40

Following up on Sushi's point about total war, here is the Trump NSS's 2017 understanding of the matter:

"The United States must prepare for this type of competition. China, Russia, and other state and non- state actors recognize that the United States often
views the world in binary terms, with states being either “at peace” or “at war,” when it is actually an arena of continuous competition."

This formulation of continuous competition is blamed, wrongly, on Russia and China, but it is accurate of US strategy, and harkens back to Spykman's theory of "total war" in the aftermath of WW2, when US hegemony was being devised.

Posted by: Prof | Aug 8 2022 14:27 utc | 41

....The thing about propaganda is, once it has been seen it for what it is and who propagates it, people easily learn to discern it......

Yes-once one has been entlightened, its trivial to see the lies. MoA does a fine job of exposing the deliberate and systemic lies. It takes a long time to redpill a normie. It took me about 10 years of closely following a foreign policy event during the 1990s. Here was my journey:

1) If-they-just-knew-the-truth-they'd-tell-it, we-need-to-get-the-truth-out. There is no way they'd knowingly lie.
2) The-bad-guys-must-really-have-good-lobbyists, we-need-better-communication-and-better-messaging
3) They-lie-knowingly-and-deliberately. They-tell-the-most-outrageous-lies-knowingly-and-with-a-sick-pleasure.

Be patient with normies, it takes a long time get redpilled.

Posted by: exile | Aug 8 2022 14:42 utc | 42

On the two Donetsk cams at Observation Room there's smoke blowing across the area, something nearby has been hit.

I can't understand why the Z forces don't just physically remove them.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 14:46 utc | 43

"NATO, which loves to pose as peaceful..." Despite being a strictly military alliance. How can a military alliance, an organization which has no purpose other than the unification of weaponry and military strategy and tactics, pose as peaceful?

Posted by: Bill Heffner | Aug 8 2022 14:54 utc | 44

Skeptics know that the difference between a conspiracy theory and reported truth is a few months
Indeed we do, but truth can be suppressed ... for a while.

Truth comes from evidence and reason.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 8 2022 15:05 utc | 45

@Sushi | Aug 8 2022 7:28 utc | 2

The US 'hybrid' war on the world formally came out of the closet on Sept.11, 2001.
The declaration was " you are with us or against us".

As b has indicated it doesn't actually matter whether you are allied or in opposition, you are still categorically a target of 'hybrid' war, covertly or overtly - take your pick!

Posted by: Spinworthy | Aug 8 2022 15:05 utc | 46

Russia is inside NATO's OODA Loop.

Posted by: Longtrail | Aug 8 2022 15:21 utc | 47

The very longstanding hybrid war that's the Occupation of Palestine's events have been papered-over by Taiwan and Ukraine but much is happening as Alasiar Crooke relates in his weekly al-Mayadeen column, "Winds of regional war are blowing": This dilemma for 'Israel' precisely sat at the crux of discussion during the Biden visit to 'Israel'. 'Israel' insisted that Biden must draw a ‘red line’ for Iran: Either agree to a diplomatic solution with Tehran within a fixed deadline or face war with America. Biden demurred."

I don't ever recall Crooke describing "Israel" thusly; a change within him seems to have occurred. Perhaps it's in regards to the very Nazi-like forces gathering even greater force than ever before that acts like Zakharova described in an above comment. In that regard, I see zero difference between Zelensky and the Zionazis aside from the fact that the latter are gaining power while the former is losing his. I know Russia has closely watched that transformation, is very alarmed and has said so. I've described on several occasions why Russia had a tight relationship, but those reasons are being rapidly eroded by Zionazi inhumanity--Gaza and West Bank are no different from Donbass: Constantly terrorized while the "world" looks elsewhere. So, IMO Crooke is correct to write as he has given Nasrallah's stance on Lebanon's natgas deposits.

Occupied Palestine's paranoia about Iran gaining The Bomb is one of the best examples of all time when it comes to the blowback from believing your own propaganda. It's clear Zionazis thrive on hate and the fear that comes with it. They are far worse than the Afrikaners ever were. Zionazis are one of several abominations present on our planet that threaten humanity and must be neutralized--defanged as a threat--that is actually far worse than NATO. Eventually, Russia, China, and the emerging Multipolar World will be forced to deal with their destabilizing, inhumane manner and lawlessness. Enticing Persian Gulf states to join SCO, BRICS+, EAEU, etc., is one step amongst many to get them to agree to a Collective Security Pact that completely defeats the decades of destabilization promoted by the Outlaw US Empire and its Zionazis. The Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese will also want to join that Pact, then the Entire Arab League will also, which presents Jordan with a dilemma over its fence-sitting. The pariahs within Occupied Palestine will then be genuinely isolated.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 15:21 utc | 48

@YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2022 14:46 utc | 43

Good question, maybe they don't show anything useful for nazis. They get all the targeting info from nato satellites anyway.
Other public cameras were disabled in the past, I've read about such events.

Posted by: rk | Aug 8 2022 15:24 utc | 49

I so wish I didn't have to care what Russia and the rest of the "Holy Roman Empire" were doing to annihilate themselves because of their petty, almost indistinguishable ethno-tribal pearl-clutching...sigh, but I do have to care because so much of my confiscated wealth is being used to prop up inept militaries and inept economies entirely to perpetuate that tribalism and keep Europe a childish mess. God forbid we let the next Hitler or Stalin (or Caesar) do what they were able to do only because it is the practical evolution of peoples to combine their cutesy little pagan cults and scale up into, hmm, I don't know, how about actually defensible, competitive, sovereign nations! I cheer on Russia only because it has a decent chance all of a sudden of breaking this insane cycle of stupidity and waste.

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Aug 8 2022 15:29 utc | 50

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 13:37 utc | 32

I think Russia is working on the premise that the best propaganda is... drumroll... the truth, facts that stand the test of time...

It could well be. That does appear to be the case sometimes. Of course, it would be a mistake for Russia to make, inasmuch as propaganda, just like any other form of warfare, should aim for specific tactical achievements. Being in the right won't win you anything if you aren't in a position to capitalize this condition.

The White Helmets example illustrates perfectly the difference between moral high-ground and narrative high-gound. The operation was an absolute success. In less than a year, it steamrolled along and imposed an exclusive narrative which left no room for any position other than full support for a decade long, multi billion dollar war against the Syrian nation.

That the entire project was a western funded production based on lies and deceit and that the group itself enjoyed intimate proximity with internationally recognized terrorist organizations had no impact whatsoever on the success of the operation. Truth, facts and the test of time didn't matter much. Today Syria is a smouldering wasteland and any prospective correction of perceived History won't change that fact. There is no great arbiter to make things all right.

...The US/ZATO/WEF are having increasing trouble squaring the propaganda circle of sanctions, regime changes and wars as a means to make life better for their citizens. And the worse things get for us "Western" peons, the more of us learn to see the gaping holes in the Rothschild-class narrative.

Think about it, Europeans are being "asked" to sacrifice a large part of their standard of living to "save" the Ukraine. It would be remarkable if said EU serfs didn't ask, "WTF has Ukraine ever done for EU citizens"?


And yet, remarkably they don't. For some reason, they haven't made the connection between foreign policy and that drop in standard of living. Nowhere have I heard, "Well damn-it, all this belligerence, sanctions and energy boycott is making our lives miserable. Sure wish it would end." Could it be that Western propagandists are doing things right?

Posted by: robin | Aug 8 2022 15:35 utc | 51

Excellent article.

To add to the general conversation that is coming out of it, I think Europe and especially the U.S. is fooled by its self-understanding as a multi-cultural society. Americans think the identities taught to children here reflect those out in the rest of the world. Americans do this as well through the understanding of African/Black American identity as the model identity of all "Black people." These trends have increased recently and they are promoted internationally through various means. We offer solutions to racism and colonialism in other places based on how we are supposedly solving our own historical racism, colonialism, etc. Hegemony and salvation still working together.

Interestingly too, the increasing Democrat incorporation of African Americans into the party is done in the service of American empire. I won't go as far as saying the Democrats are giving empire an African American face, but a group that previously had a strong anti-imperial thrust, has become some of empire's most ardent defenders. This is perhaps because the current upward mobility of African Americans depends on the maintenance of American world hegemony and the idea of American exceptionalism.

In any case, all of this seems to further undermine American society and polity. It is quite sad to see.

Posted by: Tony T | Aug 8 2022 15:43 utc | 52

@YetAnotherAnon #43
I can't speak for Ukraine, but there are TONS of internet cameras around in the 1st world.
Every ATM has a camera, for example.
Many stores.
Shopping malls all have them.
Banks for sure.
Money exchanges. etc etc.

Plus all it takes to set up a camera is <$50 and access to an internet connection. Throw in a wireless subscription, all you need is power.

The thing is: cameras do not equal intelligence.

I am not a military analyst, but I have run enough (legal) private surveillance to know that:

1) The video frequency/quality is an issue. If you have continuous video, you have to either pay for continuous monitoring (very expensive) or store it (also expensive, but less so) but the frequency of analysis then becomes a limiter on response time. Fast response time costs money.

2) And as noted above: whatever surveillance you have, you still need analysis. Let's use your APC as an example: is it the same APC that drove by 2 hours ago? a week ago? What unit is it from? Is it filled with troops or it is just some LDPR official commuting? Or a training route for an LDPR military training facility?
Analysis costs money.

Now let's say there are 1000 such cameras: how many analysts do you need to monitor them? How much storage and bandwidth?
What about 10000 cameras? 100000?
Here is one list/map of functioning cameras in Ukraine Hacked cameras are probably 5x or more.

Yes, there is developing software to automate this analysis, but again this type of software is fairly constrained by input.
Satellite photo analysis, for example, is a lot easier to automate than a random assortment of video cameras with their far greater variation in environments and noise levels.

My view is that if live streaming cameras were really a problem, the problem would be easily fixed.

It is very easy to identify a live streaming camera from the internet traffic it puts out at the telco level. Just automatically block all traffic from any source streaming at X level for Y period of time.

Then you have the "trigger" cameras: cameras that only turn on when some event occurs: motion or programmed times. These would be harder to automatically block at the telco level, but still possible.

Motion-based triggering is super noisy - I have had many problems with crap retail video camera models running out of juice in 2 days or less because any outdoor camera is going to get triggered constantly by wind blowing branches into motion. So most motion triggered cameras are going to be on, most of the time, during the day anyway and I'm fairly sure this is still distinguishable even from all but the most hard core video uploaders.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 8 2022 15:48 utc | 53

MoA does a fine job of exposing the deliberate and systemic lies.

Posted by: exile | Aug 8 2022 14:42 utc | 42
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How much of us actually read the MoA? How many in this world, actually knows about MoA, really?

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 15:51 utc | 54

Tony T @53--

African-American "choice" of the Ds was a historical happenstance given these facts: Ds were the racist party while Rs were also fascist--witness McCarthyism. First Truman took a very meek step in desegregating the military, and that was followed by Eisenhower's doing just a tad more with his meek attempts to enforce the USSC's Brown decision's order that educational equality be established with "all possible speed." Kennedy was then forced to defend students enrolled at federally funded universities in the South amidst the Freedom Marches. Thanks to the Cold War, police dogs attacking peaceful marchers didn't help promote the image of the Outlaw US Empire as the "land of the free" versus Communist Totalitarianism. Southern Ds identified more with R fascists and switched over easily. Goldwater's Southern Strategy would have worked if not for George Wallace splitting the 1964 R vote. With half of its party now on the other side, Ds were faced with having to recruit Blacks, which is why Johnson tried to bribe them with his Great Society/War on Poverty programs, which worked for some. But in reality, Blacks were still mostly disenfranchised. Over the years, D party fraud when it came to dealing with Black issues--which were also poor white issues--continued until the biggest fraud of all--Obama's election.

Almost four generations have had an opportunity to alter the political equation within the Outlaw US Empire, but it still remains very much as it was during McCarthy with its worst aspects now driving the bus. One segment of the Black community has advanced--athletes--although the pros are drawn into 1% views thanks to their obscene salaries, with some exceptions like Steph Curry. Overall, most American citizens have yet to enjoy the goals of WW2, the Four Freedoms, because of the D/R Duopoly and lack of a countervailing force within the polity. In many respects, what's happening within the Outlaw US Empire is a hybrid war being waged on its populace by the Neoliberal Fascist 1%.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 16:19 utc | 55

…. How much of us actually read the MoA? How many in this world, actually knows about MoA, really ?…….

You‘d be surprised at how powerful Samizdat is these days. Once someone is redpilled, they never go back.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 8 2022 16:51 utc | 56

thanks for the article Helmholtz Smith

ditto @ 2 sushi and @8 stonebird commentary...

@ Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 13:37 utc | 32 / / robin | Aug 8 2022 15:35 utc | 51

thanks you two... but robin, i think eventually - not yet - they will make this connection between foreign policy and the drop in the standard of living... in fact, the new world order looks like it is in jeopardy of being the new world order... wef is not beholden to the people - it is the exact opposite... we are finding more and more that these organizations have no accountability - and they like this... our leader here in canada - trudeau - is fully onside with their bullshit, but wasn't given any mandate to support this wef agenda... it will probably be the same no matter who is in power.. power corrupts and these politicians need to be taken down quite a few pegs... they are serving the corporations, but not the ordinary people... this has to change..

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2022 17:06 utc | 57

You‘d be surprised at how powerful Samizdat is these days. Once someone is redpilled, they never go back.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 8 2022 16:51 utc | 58
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Oh, you are telling me. The first samizdat I read was in 1975 in Leningrad. It was actually a book with photographed pages. Samizdat was powerful then. Today, with the internet everything is samizdat...😃

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 17:08 utc | 58

Have look at this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywFp9ubUKQs and read the comments. Tells how Blinky is welcomed in SA. If Blinky and the yankees think the Africans are a dumb lot, think again. The comments say a a lot.

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 17:11 utc | 59

https://t.me/intelslava/35056

An interesting analysis of Russia's 'revolutionary' war.

I would add that Military Summary sees a problem facing Donetsk - in some sort of operational pause by Russia within two weeks,

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2022 17:15 utc | 60

this post needs to be repeated and it works on this thread as well... others might have missed it on a previous thread..

"Soviet propaganda was relatively straightforward and easy to spot and was delivered primarily via newspapers and official pronouncements while in the west it has long been subtly embedded not just in the news media but also in almost every mass consumed cultural product.

Western propaganda has its roots in advertising, marketing and "public relations". PR is just a polite word for propaganda... it was coined by Edward Bernays after World War I saddled that term with negative connotations. The modern west, unlike the Soviet Union, was built around a consumer capitalist society in which citizens are subject from birth to mass psychological manipulation in the form of advertising and "PR"and conditioned to accept this as a normal part of the social fabric. It's so pervasive they don't even notice that it's happening. I remember in high school my friends trying to convince me that advertisements in magazines and on TV (this was before the internet) had no effect on them whatsoever because they never read the ads and paid no attention to them.

For propaganda messaging to be effective it needs to be repeated often, very often, before it is unconsciously accepted by the masses. The internet era with its ubiquitous personal digital devices, instant communication and global news and entertainment networks has made this much, much easier... and made westerners even more susceptible to psychological manipulation. An extremely oversimplified example: A kid playing the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare series might not consciously ponder why the games' villains are overwhelmingly Arabs and Russians or why the world outside of the US/UK is portrayed as buffoonish, backwards and dangerous, but when combined with negative news headlines he glimpses about those countries and their people and that BBC documentary his class just watched at school about "Putin's Russia" helping the "Assad regime" in Syria the message is delivered as intended.

Forget weapons systems or "freedom", it's mass psychological influence where the west still "shines" and has no peers. Propaganda is most effective when it's indirect and embedded in everyday life. The west all but controls the global news media system and can easily disseminate its mind viruses around the world. But with other countries launching their own media and information networks its influence is waning, hence the panic in the west over "disinformation" and "interference".

I do wonder how long westerners will accept the "it's China and/or Russia's fault" line as an "explanation" for why things keep falling apart and why western leaders never take responsibility for their momentous botch ups? How long will westerners, particularly EU residents, accept economic deterioration, austerity and money being shovelled into Ukraine to "defeat Putin's aggression"? Will giving the people an external enemy, a scapegoat, to hate on tickle the primitive part of their brains enough to keep the focus perpetually shifted away from the realities of the internal, domestic situation or will there be a collective enough is enough moment where the dam finally ruptures and the propaganda filter is recognized for what it is?
Posted by: Harry Haller | Aug 8 2022 7:14 utc | 115

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2022 17:19 utc | 61

I’m a little troubled by the apparent acceptance here of the whole “Ukrainians are committing war crimes” line just because AI said it. It seems to me that since NATO are by general agreement running the show that people going along with that line are blaming the cat’s paw rather than the cat. Maybe you have all been taken in by a psy op?

Posted by: Demon Spawn | Aug 8 2022 17:27 utc | 62

We will know when there is a new (hopefully improved) world order when it stops reacting to the behaviors of the old world order and instead is focused on pursuing an objective.

I expect that China will let Russia down at some point. I think Turkey, Iran, India will make a better team. At least one knows were Erdogan stands.

Posted by: jared | Aug 8 2022 17:30 utc | 63

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 16:19 utc | 57

hmm I think Wallace split the 1968 D vote, which helped Nixon's version of the southern strategy. in 1964 he ran as a democrat--Goldwater lost in a landslide. the dixiecrats didn't start turning republican till about then. Johnson's motivation for the Great Society, (which he undermined to some extent) was not the loss of white voters in the south, tho he did predict that, when he signed the civil rights act in 1964. the dixiecrat emigration to and takeover of the Republican Party followed that and the rest of the Great Society programs. their final triumph was getting ronald reagan elected.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 8 2022 17:34 utc | 64

power corrupts and these politicians need to be taken down quite a few pegs... they are serving the corporations, but not the ordinary people... this has to change..

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2022 17:06 utc

Trudeau's gov't is a minority ,so if either the NDP or Lib backbenchers decide they don't want to lose HUGE to Poilievre, Trudeau may be forced into an election he can't win, sooner than the deal he cut with Singh. The only hope for both Libs and NDP to survive with the Canadian voter is to get the WEFers OUT, permanently.

Not that I agree with Poilievre on many (most?) other issues, but he is definitely saying the right things on Trudy's despotic reign, and annoying the crap out of thin-skin Trudy I'm sure.

Unless Harper's "endorsement" of Poilievre comes with significant strings attached, I can live with voting Con this time. Apparently many Canadians, especially in Ontario (38.2%) and Quebec (36.2%), don't want Harper anywhere near Poilievre.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-harpers-endorsement-of-poilievre-soured-some-voters-on-tory-leadership/

We'll deal with the rest of the Trudy-cabal's damage once laws are revised so no PM can again do what Trudy did.

If nothing else, Mr. P. is entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGsOGvsrEIc

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 17:37 utc | 65

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 16:19 utc | 57
ecellent summary of U.S. history since the 1940s in few words. thank you

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 8 2022 17:40 utc | 66

https://scotlandtoday.online/how-corrupt-is-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy

How corrupt is Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky ?! by Iain Muir

In 2019, the CIA-run Radio Free Europe reported on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s connection to Ihor Kholomoisky, a Ukrainian oligarch the State Department banned from entering the U.S. in March 2021 due to his “significant corruption.”

Posted by: MD | Aug 8 2022 17:53 utc | 67

What is "hybrid war"?

Posted by: Sushi | Aug 8 2022 7:28 utc | 2

It begins with the premise of "hybrid war" and suggests all military conflict involves "hybrid war" which is the extension of the conflict into social, political, economic realms. "Hybrid war" is therefore understood to be synonymous with "total war.

The term "hybrid war" – as currently used by the West – means war by The Empire against its own people. Hybrid war is supposedly something Russia does. Hybrid war must be defended against. Russia uses "Russian disinformation" to influence and undermine Western democracy. People are turned into Russian bots or "agents of influence". At worst, Western people can be turned into "Little Green Men" that take up arms against their government.

To combat Russia's "hybrid war", NATO has set up a European Centre of Excellence for Countering Hybrid Threats in Helsinki, Finland. For the last five years the centre has functioned as a part of NATO's de facto occupation regime in Finland. Its real mission is war on dissent. It is an instrument to suppress free speech.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 8 2022 17:58 utc | 68

In the Soviet Union who did the propaganda serve? Presumably the Communist Party elites, right?

In the Empire of Lies & Delusions, who does the propaganda serve? Some “ruling elites”, correct? But who are they?

In fact the ruling elites in the West are the big businessmen. Capitalists.

So then what is the propaganda? Literally every commercial advertisement. Every corporate logo, every business jingle drilled into people’s subconscious, every movie with product placement, and every astroturf social media marketing campaign is capitalist propaganda. The western population is immersed in capitalist propaganda 24x7. It is everywhere you look.

People like to criticize Communist propaganda, but can you imagine people in the Soviet Union wearing t-shirts and sneakers with the logos of their favorite Communist Party committees on them? Can you imagine the jingle for a particular politburo member or central committee member drilled into people’s heads so deeply that they often find themselves unconsciously humming the tune?

It is beyond ridiculous to try to compare communist propaganda with capitalist propaganda.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 8 2022 18:06 utc | 69

The so called former "western partners" of Russia re practising last 30 years hybrid warfare against Russia and Putin.
MSM used always to be in the forefront of the hybrid efforts against Russia.
The latest example of this is below article about Russian warfare against civilians.
They have the nerves to claim that Russia the use of prohibited and outlawed air-dropped cluster-type land mines
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Russland-soll-Schmetterlingsminen-einsetzen-article23512435.html
https://www.krone.at/2779302


Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 8 2022 18:12 utc | 70

pretzelattack @66--

Thanks for your reply and correction. I should have done a brief revue. Having done that, Dixiecrats first ran in 1948. My main point was Blacks and most minorities--including poor whites--have no place to go politically since neither party do anything to advance their interests. In the Western Conflict thread, I just posted some polling results that show the Class-based nature of the Outlaw US Empire's system. Another omission from the Yougov poll I cited is Spanish language media, which has a very large following.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 18:13 utc | 71

What i dont understand is that Russia is not taking out ViPs of Ukro nazi Banderistan.
The Ukro nazis successfully killing almost every day VIPs in Donezk, Luhansk and Cherson.
Whats Russia doing against this terror?
Take out major of Nikolaiev or Odessa or Kharkov.
Target their house, car, offices, restaurants, companies with kalibr or drones.
Send own sabotage troops to send VIPs to Bandera.
The choice is so large that it is possible to search and destroy them on a daily base.
Poroschenko, Kim, .....so many ukro nazis shouting for salvation
an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!
The only language the ukro nazis and their western partners understand.

Posted by: Chessmaster | Aug 8 2022 18:23 utc | 72

It's a common issue.

Canada's Deputy PM and Finance Minister Freeland is banned from Russia due to her activities with Ukie-nazis when she was ostensibly "studying the Ukrainian language" in Ukraine while she was a university student.
Then again in 2014:
https://www.businessinsider.com/chrystia-freeland-sanctioned-2014-3
But wait, there's more... Aug 5, 2022
https://torontosun.com/news/national/russia-sanctions-lgbtq-activist-freeland-and-jolys-staff-singer-chantal-kreviazuk

NDP leader Singh is banned from India due to his involvement in opposing the Indian gov't over the Air India terrorism incident, and supporting extremists in India.
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-ndp-could-suffer-from-jagmeet-singhs-links-to-blood-hatreds-say-observers

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 18:23 utc | 73

Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 17:37 utc | 67

Mr Poilievre. Is excellent. I hope he does have a real chance at ousting Trudeau. At least he would be worth listening into in the future, as he can deliver a speech with all the skill needed to get the message across.
Did he have training as an actor or is that due to natural ability?

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 8 2022 18:28 utc | 74

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 18:13 utc | 73

i strongly agree, thank you.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 8 2022 18:36 utc | 75

Interesting to contrast the despair in some pro-Eurasian quarters at the 'propaganda apocalypse' earlier in the conflict, to now, where it's clear that the West is actually losing the propaganda campaign everywhere except on its own territories, and increasingly not even there.

I am not serenely confident that the "truth" always wins, but the deepening shift in perception on Ukraine, and now Taiwan, certainly supports that contention.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Aug 8 2022 18:36 utc | 76

While I appreciate the wide diversity of thought present here, I wish there were at least some attempts to offer solutions or at least hope. All the posts seem to concentrate on each nation as a whole dealing with other nations as a whole. The discussion is much more nuanced than the East v. West debate that used to dominate political thought, but I would like to see some examination of the different political entities within each nation.

Specifically, within the USA since it appears to me that, as Caitlin Johnstone writes, it is the US that is causing a majority of the conflict around the world. Aaron Good's interviews with Ben Norton on Good's book "American Exception" have been excellent in tying together American history of being run by organized crime since the colonial period.

How can we expand and further expose that crime making it clear to Americans that they too are being used just like the the "Last Ukrainian". If that premise can be used to enlighten Americans, will it be possible to wrest control of the Empire from organized crime?

Hybrid War == Hybrid Crime?

Posted by: fiji refuge | Aug 8 2022 18:42 utc | 77

James | 63 |

A few days ago wrote about this topic under the headline “brainwashing”

American foreign policy hasn't changed through the years, the "1984" totalitarian state is performing so much better through the Internet of Things, disinformation, Big Tech, censorship and very effective propaganda, or in Cold War terms brainwashing.

Consumerism, Conformity, and Uncritical Thinking in America | Harvard Library - 2000 |

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8846775/Frantz%2C_Gregory.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Posted by: Oui | Aug 8 2022 18:45 utc | 78

William Gruff @71--

Precisely! I recall this excellent bit of counter-propaganda from the late 1990s, the Brands & Bands Flag. As for wearing your politics, here's one I recently added to my VK wall, "Putin is the People". I note the most politically active displays are by NBA players who could become a powerful political force if they applied themselves and their $millions$.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 18:49 utc | 79

b, The Mandate of Heaven is what China had previously held the USA to have. Do you have evidence they have put that lofty status on Russia Federation, perhaps akin to another familiar biblical (end times) reference known as The King of the North? Is more than one nation able to hold this distinction at the same time, and do you believe China is holding itself in this present or future regard? Perhaps, a subject worthy of a stand-alone future topic, with or without its relevance to how RF now proceeds to secure their version of a future Ukraine. Thanks for your investigative and interpretive leadership.

Posted by: ERing46Z | Aug 8 2022 18:57 utc | 80

About any WWIII conspiracy misconceptions.

(Not read all comment yet, stopped to write this reply).

One doesn't need any kind of conspiracy to start WWIII. A nuclear WWIII has been and continues to be the natural equilibrium level/ground state of the current world that constantly has to be avoided.

In other words it is the other way around: to avoid, but since it's rather public in the form of official cooperation* it can't be called a conspiracy.

* 'Cooperation' for lack of a better word since as of now, today, Monday the 8th of August 2022, there are no major safeguards left with the "temporary" suspension of START inspections. "Temporary" in the sense that it will or might last as long as the measures taken by "the west" against Russia will last, so it could be "forever".

The planet has been minutes or even seconds away from a nuclear WWIII more times than most people want to know or remember (me included) and that's only the public information available to anyone who actually looks into it.

I seem to remember that last I did there were five well-known "official" examples out in the public and I think one can add an order of magnitude to that, so at least fifty times.

To make it easier on our puny brains let's simplify it and say that on average every second year we come within a minute or so of annihilating ourselves.

This is what the everyday normal is and has been for all or nearly all of the lives of everyone currently alive :)

Best example of normalcy bias out there?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 8 2022 19:00 utc | 81

Old canadian @ 32

I think Russia is working on the premise that the best propaganda is... drumroll... the truth, facts that stand the test of time...

That was very much the structure of RT America and UK tv news. They hired and had as guests a combination of credentialed western dissidents, outsiders, and exiles, plus some version of today’s George Carlins, Lee Camp and others to bring in young people, and simply let them run and speak for themselves, figuring truth must reveal. Larry King, Hedges and Camp all stated that never once while on RT were they ever called into the office to discuss their show, criticized, admonished or censored in any way. Hedges pointed out in contrast to his time at the NYT were he was admonished and his articles rewritten (“edited”) practically daily. Is letting the truth speak for itself highly sophisticated propaganda, call it hyper-propaganda, or is it anti-propaganda? Those clever Ruskies have us all tied up in knots!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifCsvfzd3A

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 8 2022 19:19 utc | 82

fiji refuge @79--

How can we expand and further expose that crime making it clear to Americans that they too are being used just like the the "Last Ukrainian". If that premise can be used to enlighten Americans, will it be possible to wrest control of the Empire from organized crime?

That's actually a hard question to answer for the fundamental factual reason that the Outlaw US Empire was essentially a criminal operation from the outset as the Colonizing Imperial European Nations were intent on stealing the "vacant lands" that were already occupied. The Papal Bull giving Spain and Portugal the world set the stage for Richard Hakluyt's Plantation scheme proposed after the Spanish Armada's defeat in 1588. Of all those nations, Russia's aim was just exploitation of furs and fisheries because it had an immense amount of land to explore and exploit and didn't need North America. Unfortunately, very few North Americans--indeed, a large percentage of those living within the Western Hemisphere--don't have a clue about the criminal origin of their history, mainly because it's not taught that way whatsoever, except perhaps by the remaining First Peoples who were the injured party to put it lightly. Half of the current Outlaw US Empire was stolen from Mexico, but neither that act nor what happened in Texas prior to 1846 is taught as a crime--nor is African Slavery for that matter. And yes, unfortunately I could go on and mention the White Slaves that are almost always omitted. And much of the driving force behind emigration to the West from Europe was powered by crime, particularly if we categorize war as crime.

Then beyond the historical/educational aspect is the reality of how organized crime came to exist here--it grew from the original crimes of land theft and slavery for politics rapidly became a criminal enterprise. And only a few tenured history profs have the courage to teach that to students. Although simplified, here's one that does. I also highly recommend, The Many-Headed Hydra: Sailors, Slaves, Commoners, and the Hidden History of the Revolutionary Atlantic", which has a free preview here.

So, you can see the difficulties entailed for We the People to gain control of our nation for the First Time because We never had it to begin with, and Class- and Ethnic-based social stratification has to this point bedeviled all our attempts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 19:22 utc | 83

Did he have training as an actor or is that due to natural ability?

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 8 2022 18:28 utc

No idea, but he wasn't always such a "good guy". I'm sure he has been coached on presenting a positive public persona, but is he another drama teacher or actual comedian? Doubtful. He was a bit of a loose cannon even then.

I crossed CBC comment section swords with him when he was starting his political career. As I recall, he took umbrage with my characterization of then-PM Harper being a foreign agent of the WEF-type. Judge for yourself:

https://globalnews.ca/news/204186/full-transcript-statement-made-by-prime-minister-stephen-harper-at-the-world-economic-forum/

Being that Poilievre is now very outspoken in his opposition to the Trudeau regime's WEF compliance, either Harper has changed his spots (again, unlikely) or Poilievre is merely being polite to a senior Con-power-broker until he consolidates his support with a new generation of Conservative members. Poilievre has signed up north of 300,000 "members" at $10 per head for the upcoming coronation... er, leadership vote, so I doubt he will be much beholden to the Old Guard after Sept 10. The Golden Rule surely applies, and Poilievre brought in the largest share of the gold, so I'm guessing he'll get to make the rules.

Politics makes strange bedfellows, but Mr. P. seems to be heading back to the days of the PROGRESSIVE Conservative Party. Yup, that's what Canadian Cons were once known as, a genuine moderately right-of-centre party. Not that they were THAT much better, but they were a far cry from the right-wing lunacy we saw during the Harper/Mulroney/Harris/Eves years. Bill Davis epitomized that generation of Canadian leaders, no pushover but not an ideologue, did what he thought was best given the lot we had, and got real stuff done.

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 19:24 utc | 84

The omission in this piece, and perhaps Clausewitz too (but I'm not familiar enough with his treatise to be sure) is the question of what the Romans called ius fetiale. For the Romans war was a relation between human beings, what one might call negative reciprocity or the absence and violation of contract or pact. When an agreement breaks down then the pax (peace understood as the proper conduct of agreements) comes to an end. But bellum, war, does not automatically follow. One first needs to determine which party to the agreement is in the wrong. Since religion and law at Rome were inseparable the question of war was always framed in both legal and religious terms. Correct ritual must be observed because pacts are relations with gods and men. For a war to be fought one must have a right to declare it and that right had to be vouchsafed by Jupiter.

Now, you might think, the Romans manipulated this so that every war they fought was just. Not so. After all, why go to the trouble if only to bypass it each time you want to throw your weight around? The institution was there precisely because the Romans were anxious that no war be fought unless it was just. It is a question of legitimacy, not just in the eyes of onlookers and adjudicators, or even the enemy, but for oneself. Since international instruments like treaties and borders were consecrated to the gods one did not overturn them lightly. This question of right or ius is not one of appearances or propaganda (although it can be the basis for effective forms of the latter), but of a secure legal and religious entitlement to act without the pollution of unlawful killing in the redress of a wrong.

For we moderns in 2022 one can see the Russians have gone to great lengths to attend to this aspect of the conflict. They may not have fetial priests, but they have assembled a vast case to support their claims and have articulated their war aims in terms of the redress of a wrong. NATO and the west wage war on behalf of empty and cynical gods and their legitimacy has all but vanished. Legitimacy is not bought with lies, but another Roman virtue which served them well: fides. The entire Western alliance is a vacuum of fides: no trust, no honour, no belief, no meaning. Just base self-serving rapacity.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 8 2022 19:24 utc | 85

since NATO are by general agreement running the show that people going along with that line are blaming the cat’s paw rather than the cat.

Posted by: Demon Spawn | Aug 8 2022 17:27 utc | 64

Valid point about US/NATO, but I don't see how that exonerates the Ukrainian armed forces.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Aug 8 2022 19:30 utc | 86

The entire Western alliance is a vacuum of fides: no trust, no honour, no belief, no meaning. Just base self-serving rapacity.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 8 2022 19:24 utc

BRAVO!

Posted by: Old canadian | Aug 8 2022 19:30 utc | 87

well, I guess no none of the above is anything more worth than the other and the only thing we have is the moment - life nothing else ,)

Posted by: Macpott | Aug 8 2022 19:06 utc | 85
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Yes, what all we have is this moment. What happened few moments ago cannot be returned. What happens few moments from now cannot be predicted -- it may happen this way or that way. But, how many of us think that way? We plan forward, as though we can manage the future. The future is an illusion, might happen, might not.

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 19:34 utc | 88

Re: Vragtes @ #24...

(BBC repeats 'think tank' claim that Russia is running out of smart weaponry due to over-reliance on Western computer chips)

Yes! I heard that porkie on Oz's BBC echo chamber abc.net.au radio's Fake News this evening.

It smacks of Western Desperation when we're invited to believe that Russians are stupider than Colonial Crusaders...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 8 2022 19:37 utc | 89

I take it, from reading about Poilievre on line, that he supported the truckers and opposes mandates. That's good enough for me.

Posted by: Lysias | Aug 8 2022 19:40 utc | 90

Has anyone, who writes about "Russia is running out of smart weaponry..." ever been to a Russian weapon factory?

Posted by: rp | Aug 8 2022 19:41 utc | 91

You wrote that "They will either figure this out and change their behavior or they won't and they'll suffer." I think whether they figure it out or not, try to change or not, it is up to Russia to dictate when, if, the EU gets out of the self-dug ditch it has fallen into. Even if the EU removes all the sanctions it has illegally and foolishly imposed on Russia I don't see Russia getting back to doing business with the West as before. I always pay attention to the words of Vladimir Putin, when he said that NATO (USA) strategically lost the battle the day Russia started its SMO in Ukraine, I believe him.

There are still many dim-wits in the EU especially in the Baltic and Nordic countries who think that it's up to the West to de-escalate when it suits it. That line of thinking is the same hubris which brought about this situation.

I don't see Russia ever trusting the collective West again. And the one-sided (Russian) cordial relationship that has made Europe great through the cheap exploitation of the Russian natural resources has ended. From now on, the collective West will be paying full prices for whatever it wants from Russia, while its competitors in Asia would continue to enjoy friendly prices for the same commodities. In such scenario, Western Europe which doesn't have much natural resources would soon be outpaced. USA has seen to it that Western Europe is out of the race.

Posted by: Steve | Aug 8 2022 19:44 utc | 92

Mercouris brings the situation together in a coherent way, but he is light on analysis - does not seem to want to go there.

The reason Ukraine is shelling the npp is threefold
1) threaten the Russians with something terrible (akin to nuclear attack threat)
2) do harm to the separated regions - vindictiveness, lassing out because Ukraine is deeply humiliated
3) worry its supporters, need more and better assistance - really they need others to step in at this point

The reason they are conscripting women and older people is to gain sympathy for thier valiant effort

The reason for the feigned counter offensive in Kherson is because west is asking for show of results for public and in effort to draw Russian from other points of conflict.

Pretty straight forward.

Posted by: jared | Aug 8 2022 19:53 utc | 93

Patroklos @90--

Excellent! I echo Old canadian's Bravo! You'll note China is following Russia's pathway. I just relinked to this article from yesterday in another comment illustrating that path. What China has yet to mention in its missives about the Taiwan situation is reunifying with the island marks the last step in defeating the Colonization China was subjected to, which is why the act will consummate Sun Yat-sen's Rejuvenation of China. Taiwan/Formosa was taken from China first by Japan then by the Outlaw US Empire, the latter having turned it into an Anti-China proxy similar to its turning Ukraine into an Anti-Russia. Only since the rise of the Neocon Clintonite Democrats has Taiwan been pushed in that direction as the KMT long ago accepted reunification would eventually occur--on the issue of China's Rejuvenation, KMT agreed with the CPC.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 8 2022 19:59 utc | 94

EU natgas update - nothing new

TTF Dec2022 down marginally to 193 €/MWh (from ~200 €/MWh)
TTF Q4-2023 unchanged around 151 €/MWh

Posted by: ptb | Aug 8 2022 19:59 utc | 95

This thread reminded me that Putin offered to join ZATO and was rebuffed, for reasons which are now obviou$. It's all in Oliver Stone's 4-part documentary series The Putin Interviews.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 8 2022 19:59 utc | 96

Posted by: just somebody | Aug 8 2022 15:41 utc | 52

Yes, collusion between east and west is what James Corbett and Whitney Webb (Unlimited Hangout, The Last American Vagabond) are saying. The point where east and west converge is transhumanism (chips, gene terapiaa etc). On the other hand, Corbett has been modifyimg his position lately and said that there is no real "collusion" or even some shadowy cabal - instead, technological development has a logic of its own and we are witnessing it as it is unravelling before our very eyes.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Aug 8 2022 20:00 utc | 97

@Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 8 2022 19:45 utc | 98

So, the heads of the NDP, Liberals and Conservatives will all be WEF! Probably also the new Green leader once elected. Canada has turned into the Soviet Union "you can vote for anyone as long as the Communist Party/WEF has decided that they are acceptable candidates!

Posted by: Roger | Aug 8 2022 20:01 utc | 98

osted by: just somebody | Aug 8 2022 15:41 utc | 52:

Of course the real puppet masters are the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc., the international bankers.

You overestimated these personalities' capability. Yeah they have some money, and they are evil, but they, even all bundled up together as an allied group, don't even have the resources to buck against a medium size nation such as Korea, let alone the world. I know the conspiracy theories that's been uttered around for decades about how powerful Rothschilds, Soros, Rockefeller, et al are. These theories are just fantasies. These pampered fat cats are not much different from you and me, just have more money. They can bride some outcomes to materialize, but they have no control over how things reveal in a prolonged way, during which glitches and randomness prop up beyond their control and overwhelm the few of their operative that they have brided. That is, they are human just like you and me.

Lot's things happened that gave impressions of mafia hands herding sheeples, but in reality most of these were simply results of the follies and stupidities of the humans involved. Some mafia might have a helping hand to facilitate, but they are in no way in control of the human race. Human follies and stupidities can be cultivated, bred, and manipulated. The western MSM has been doing this for couple of centuries now. But the end results are not always the way they intended. We are now in a situation where the old status quo is literally crumpling in front of our eyes, and the maintenance oligarchs (those Rothschild/Rockefeller guys you mentioned) are at loss of what to do to reverse the trend. They'll try, but they'll also fail. The tide has turned.

Your post revealed another facet of mentality that's seldom noticed consciously. You're brainwashed in certain ways without yourself knowing it. You cited names that are all Western; prominent but western. If I interject a conspiracy theory and cite names such as Li Ka shing, Jack Ma, Matsushita, the Samsun Lee family, I will be laughed away in forums such as this one for being silly/naive of not knowing these folks, while undoubtly being rich, are not powerful enough to pull off big conspiracies. Why??? Because the western press, where most of you get your stories from, have told you that is the case. It goes the same with who should win Nobel prizes, who made the best movie of 2022, who's the best song writers of the world etc. etc. I am saying all this not intending to raise a new conspiracy theory; I'm just pointing out how I see it from an angle not totally bred out of the western MSM. There are quite a few posters at this whisky bar who are like me, not influenced by MSM. These are the ones who post often and are well received for what they have contributed. By the way, our host b is one who is independent of MSM :-)

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Aug 8 2022 20:05 utc | 99

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 8 2022 19:24 utc | 90

Excellent. How refreshing to hear that. But the Roman sense of principle had its societal aspect as well. We are seeing it in reverse in the West in the moral rot within. We don't even need a revolution as the whole damn thing is about to collapse under the weight of its own sense of guilt.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Aug 8 2022 20:08 utc | 100

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