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August 11, 2022
Open (NOT Ukraine) Thread 2022-126
News & views NOT related to the Ukraine conflict …
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Climate change fun:
“no longer have confidence in the validity of the data” = faked.
Yes, but batteries will save us all… Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 13:31 utc | 1 2-fer: abortion and FB giving up data on users
So $400 to her name but waited 7 months to decide to abort? Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 13:35 utc | 2 Was reading and seeing videos of US visits to the African continent to intimidate them to adhere to the sanctions imposed on Russia or else. And also read about how the US is stealing the oil from Syria. Just unbelievable. The US calls itself the policeman of the world. But the kind of policeman it has become is the one portrayed in the film The Godfather. Corrupt to the core. And most importantly, where is the American citizens on this? Too busy with pot, porn and sports? The new American pastime? Posted by: Jose Garcia | Aug 11 2022 13:39 utc | 3 Climate change is an amazing topic, as the entire narrative is primarily based on IPCC reports which are biased many way. Posted by: Daniel | Aug 11 2022 13:39 utc | 4 An example of real environmentalist thought:
Much of the article is about literally finding and using “food waste”. Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 13:57 utc | 5 And most importantly, where is the American citizens on this? Posted by: financial matters | Aug 11 2022 13:59 utc | 6 “So $400 to her name but waited 7 months to decide to abort?.” c1ue@2 Posted by: bevin | Aug 11 2022 14:09 utc | 7 Funny news from the alternative reality behind the looking-glass – the Latvian Seimas has declared Russia(!) to be a sponsor of terrorism. (facepalm). It’s funny to watch how the Americans, through their obsequious slaves, try out their own plans/intentions, while, as it were, remaining “unaffected”. “It is cynical to use war as a way of beefing up chances of winning an election. This is exactly what Israel’s leader Lapid did in Israel’s latest aggression on the besieged Gaza strip. Two hard facts define what this war sought to achieve. First, it wanted to tug at the unity of the Palestinian resistance. Second, and equally disparaging, the international community went into silent mode. There was not an ounce of protest from the western world which so liberally, otherwise, pontificates about international law and human rights when it suits them. The message is patently clear – Palestinians lives don’t really matter. There is consistent hypocrisy on matters of war and peace from western quarters. It is clear that Palestinians will have to fend for themselves and not rely on the major political blocs or even the so-called emerging economies to act. It will have to be the grassroots, whether in the West or in the Global South, that will have to lead and support the resistance… Posted by: bevin | Aug 11 2022 14:23 utc | 9 @Daniel #4 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 14:35 utc | 10 c1ue@5: Posted by: morongobill | Aug 11 2022 14:41 utc | 11 See clueless is going hard tonight never attempting to disprove global warming, always working to try & make any of the minor issues which a properly applied scientific method inevitably reveals, sufficient to raise doubt among those who have become too used to fossil fuel powered implements, to eschew their easy lives. Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 11 2022 14:47 utc | 12 The primary bias [?] is that I[PCC] only mission is to demonstrate a single [?] theory [sic] : demonstrate human beings responsibility in climate change -without investigation any other [?] potential theory [sic] Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 11 2022 15:02 utc | 13 And most importantly, where is the American citizens on this? Too busy with pot, porn and sports? The new American pastime? Posted by: ChuckInBama | Aug 11 2022 15:09 utc | 14 Thanks, c1ue | Aug 11 2022 13:31 utc | 1 for the turning of the soil conclusion. Posted by: juliania | Aug 11 2022 15:10 utc | 15 c1ue @ 2: ” So $400 to her name but waited 7 months to decide to abort?” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 15:11 utc | 16 Other advice would be that in small spaces container growing is optimal for tomatoes and squash. And the latter have done better for me when seeded directly into the tubs early rather than trying to do early starts indoors. Easier that way also! Posted by: juliania | Aug 11 2022 15:18 utc | 17 Final thought – I’ll try planting the teeny garlic corms we get in with the dwarf kale, see if that discourages the white fly. Garlic chives might work as well. Posted by: juliania | Aug 11 2022 15:21 utc | 18 I am not a “barfly,” Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 11 2022 15:35 utc | 19 Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 11 2022 15:02 utc | 13 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 11 2022 15:44 utc | 20 the summaries are written by politicians and corporate whores. those are the fucking activists who minimize the conclusions to make them more palatable to the corporate whores in Washington Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 11 2022 15:49 utc | 21 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 13:31 utc | 1 Posted by: pretzelattack | Aug 11 2022 15:51 utc | 22 William Gruff @16– Yesterday, China issued its third White Paper on Taiwan and Reunification. I Linked to all three and several Global Times items and rolled them all into a short article readers can easily utilize and bookmark for future reference. @Daniel | Aug 11 2022 13:39 utc | 4
It was written explicitly in the original IPCC mission statement, so there is no point in disagreeing. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2022 16:20 utc | 26 RT reports wishful thinking: “Russian oil output could plunge – IEA: EU import ban may result in a 20% drop in production, the International Energy Agency says.” karlof1 | Aug 11 2022 16:55 utc | 27 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 11 2022 18:02 utc | 28 @bevin #7 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 18:34 utc | 29 Posted by: juliania | Aug 11 2022 15:10 utc | 15 Posted by: xLemming | Aug 11 2022 18:38 utc | 30 @Debsisdead #12 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 18:42 utc | 31 @William Gruff #16 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 18:48 utc | 32 Some good advice from Juliania. Tomatoes and snow peas (any bean pod type thing really) are a great start for a small garden, they grow easily and produce quickly. If you think you can’t grow anything, try tomatoes! Posted by: Rae | Aug 11 2022 18:48 utc | 33 @pretzelattack #22 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 18:53 utc | 34 @Rae #33 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 18:54 utc | 35 The following paragraph concludes Caitlin Johnstone’s interrogation of ideas about freedom, arising from a silly Times of London piece, concocting the all-time epic clash of civilizations: Lady Gaga versus China…
Possibly Johnstone and I are fundamentally misanthropic. I’m losing faith that ordinary folks have sufficient energy for the application of due diligence to their own hard-wired assumptions. Therefore whatever our problems be, they be irremediable. My favorite bumber sticker says Don’t believe everything you think! Maybe 99.99% of US Americans wouldn’t momentarily question that USA has always stood for universal freedom. They think what they think, and that’s the end of it. The end of us. Oh well. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 11 2022 18:55 utc | 36 Rae @33 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 19:22 utc | 37 Seems like wishful thinking to me Gruff – just assuming humans can magic more stuff from somewhere. Posted by: Rae | Aug 11 2022 19:27 utc | 38 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 11 2022 18:02 utc | 28 Posted by: xLemming | Aug 11 2022 19:32 utc | 39 c1ue @ 2: ” So $400 to her name but waited 7 months to decide to abort?” Posted by: suzan | Aug 11 2022 19:37 utc | 40 Rae @38 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 19:44 utc | 41 I niavely asked about the Chinese revolution to be told there were several. So here is a slight distraction: Part 1 in an attempt to learn some Chinese history… Posted by: Rae | Aug 11 2022 19:45 utc | 42 Posted by: Jose Garcia | Aug 11 2022 13:39 utc | 3 Posted by: Planner | Aug 11 2022 19:56 utc | 43 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 19:44 utc | 41 Posted by: xLemming | Aug 11 2022 19:56 utc | 44 Rae | Aug 11 2022 19:45 utc | 42 Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 11 2022 20:14 utc | 45 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 13:35 utc | 2 Posted by: horseguards | Aug 11 2022 20:22 utc | 46 So much meaningless mulching of climate opinions in here. It’s hard for me to understand why popular opinion about Geoscience matters to anyone, on a couple of levels: Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 11 2022 20:31 utc | 47 It’s become clear to everyone that Joe Biden has lost his marbles, it’s not something even the most partisan Dem can deny after the raid on Mar A Lago. Posted by: Tom Stone | Aug 11 2022 20:46 utc | 48 X_lemming @ #44. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 11 2022 20:55 utc | 49 are you not thoroughly ashamed of the way that your mind works? Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 11 2022 21:05 utc | 50 xLemming @44: “…us 1st worlders do need to return to basics…” Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 21:21 utc | 51 Wildfire oracle Bill Gabbert takes the occasion of the Sam Fire in Northwestern LA County to explain the difference between a fire whirl and a fire tornado (uncool video): Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 11 2022 21:52 utc | 52 Stonebird @45– juliania #15 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 11 2022 22:39 utc | 54 I have no real interest in finding out more but from what little is said here so far the following has to be said. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 11 2022 22:42 utc | 55 Below is the title of a ZH posting that barflys might find interesting
Just replace Central Bank with private bank and you will get the message. I thin it doesn’t matter as much as whether the underlying money has intrinsic value or not…..a concept not seen in our world for 50+ years. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 11 2022 22:54 utc | 56 @c1ue was on a beautiful tear up thread. I don’t agree with it all but all worthy discussions, especially food waste. I lived in urban S. Korea and one of my favorite things was that you segregated your food waste. Didn’t matter what kind of food, meat and grease were fine. That went into 55gal drums next to the dumpster, which the pig farmers came and swapped out. So you could go to a restaurant, sit down to a delicious pork dinner knowing that the pig was probably fed with garbage. Brilliant, efficient, elegant. Posted by: Lex | Aug 11 2022 22:54 utc | 57 I’m glad it helped, xLemming | Aug 11 2022 18:38 utc | 30. I should state my experience is with a very small garden in high mountain desert conditions. So, conditions may vary in other parts, though in general we have to all cope with a changeable climate. Here, low humidity and austere soil conditions are the rule though my soil has improved over the years of composting and no pesticide use. One hint to new gardeners, plant trees first, and expect some failures. Plus don’t send anything to the dump; it’s all compostable and the soil will thank you later. Posted by: juliania | Aug 11 2022 22:59 utc | 58 @uncletungsten, yes. I have very sandy soil in my garden area and switched to full no-till, chop and drop. Each fall I top dress, sometimes right over the mulch layer, sometimes I pull it back. Cover crop, which just gets chopped and dropped on top the mulch. I rarely pull weeds, chop and drop. Gave up rows and just plant in spaces. I use greens as a semi-cover crop. Chop and drop what I don’t eat or is in the way. Posted by: Lex | Aug 11 2022 23:05 utc | 59 Exactly the opposite – great, uncle tungsten | Aug 11 2022 22:39 utc | 54 – gardeners are always right; it’s beautiful! Here at altitude the sun cakes my top layer and overheats the organic matter so it cooks. Plus low humidity can kill things even if their roots are doing okay. I just lost a new rose I was trying – it kept sending little shoots but I hadn’t given it enough shade, darn it. Try again next year. Though I’m not tossing it yet; gave it some superthrive and we’ll see if fall conditions suit it better. Posted by: juliania | Aug 11 2022 23:15 utc | 60 I think some maintenance is required for optimal results. I even ran an irrigation line within each row, in case of long spells of no rain Posted by: juliania | Aug 11 2022 23:27 utc | 61 Pepe Escobar’s in Samarkand anticipating the SCO Heads of State Summit in mid-September. His piece today is part travelog, part history, part current events. The pics he’s posting at his various social media sites are great. He uses a descriptive term for the region I hadn’t read in many years–Inner Asia.
Following on the heels of the SCO Summit will be the UNGA Debates and the first snows of the 2022-23 Northern Hemisphere winter. They’ve been a long time in coming but it appears the Winds of Change will finally arrive. Well, well, well; we still wait for evidence that the United States assassinated Ayman al-Zawahiri. There’s a 99% chance the story was completely fabricated for political purposes, just like in the cases of the “assassination” of Osama bin Laden (who died a remarkable 5 times over the course of 20 years) and the attacks of September 11, 2001 (which were a combined intelligence operation run by the Central Intelligence Agency, رئاسة الاستخبارات العامة, and המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים). Posted by: Ed | Aug 12 2022 0:13 utc | 63 Lex | Aug 11 2022 22:54 utc | 57 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 1:11 utc | 64 And most importantly, where is the American citizens on this? Too busy with pot, porn and sports? The new American pastime? Posted by: Bones | Aug 12 2022 1:13 utc | 65 They’ve been a long time in coming but it appears the Winds of Change will finally arrive. Posted by: juliania | Aug 12 2022 1:15 utc | 66 I’m glad your method works for you. It used to work for me also but it’s much hotter here now than it used to be – don’t get springtime temps at all so fall is my spring, can last till Thanksgiving storms come through. Posted by: Mohandas Templeton | Aug 12 2022 1:33 utc | 67 The Australian James O’Neill is one of the really perceptive writers on the internet. Posted by: bevin | Aug 12 2022 1:34 utc | 68 So you thought the government of occupied Palestine couldn’t possibly sink any lower? Think again. And our governments who are so upset about the situation in Ukraine strangely don’t seem to give a rat’s ass about Palestinian civilians having their lives snuffed out. Not everybody has the right of self-defense, it appears. Posted by: farm ecologist | Aug 12 2022 1:34 utc | 69 Tears for Palestine: Posted by: farm ecologist | Aug 12 2022 1:35 utc | 70 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 11 2022 13:35 utc | 2 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Aug 12 2022 2:27 utc | 71 Book of Changes anecdote: Posted by: gepay | Aug 12 2022 3:15 utc | 72 Re several comments on the 17 year-old aborting her child at 7 months: Posted by: Ciaran | Aug 12 2022 3:33 utc | 73 2) No till farming may not be the agricultural panacea we thought it was Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 12 2022 4:37 utc | 74 I go to Xinhuanet everyday, scan the headlines and open what interests me. I have been watching their reporting of Covid numbers all along and, given the numbers I just read, China may now be impacted by a strain they cannot quarantine their populations against effectively. Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 12 2022 5:45 utc | 75 The Yijing is a composite work, like the Bible but probably older, which is like a fathomless ocean. It is based on old noetic sciences which do not presuppose a difference between inner and outer realities, aka subjective and objective. I have been working with it for almost 50 years and am barely a beginner. It is the root text of the Chinese civilisation though few Chinese today are tuned into such esoterica even though it pervades their perception and character. @Juliana w/various gardening posts; Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 12 2022 6:25 utc | 77 @gepay | Aug 12 2022 3:15 utc | 72
All true, except the wet Sahara was probably around 11-12 thousand years ago, at the end of the Younger Dryas (YD is prominent in climate discussions). The last ice age (the Pleistocene) was ending around 13 thousand years ago when something happened literally overnight, killed the North American megafauna and caused global temperatures to drop 15C, lasting for a thousand years before the temperatures rose to modern levels.
The viking remains are not found under glaciers. The Little Ice Age was the period from ~1650 to ~1720 when the temperatures in Europe and elsewhere where lower and you had e.g. ice fares on the River Thames for months. This was the time of the Maunder Minimum, i.e. the grand solar minimum, when there were almost no sunspots seen for 70 years (solar activity is measured by counting sunspots). Another natural climate event.
And they are weather models, not climate models. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2022 6:40 utc | 78 Masanobu Fukuoka who wrote Natural Farming went to the Sahara and planted trees using his method and soon it rained. Sepp Holzer, a permaculture pioneer has done similar things. He grows lemons high up in the Swiss Alps. Back in the USA, Pelosi still trying to find a reason for why she went to Taiwan.
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1557468076102270976 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 6:54 utc | 80 @Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 6:54 utc | 80 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2022 8:36 utc | 81 UK turning officially into a developing country. Remember to vote for Liz! Posted by: unimperator | Aug 12 2022 10:03 utc | 82 @unimperator | Aug 12 2022 10:03 utc | 82 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2022 10:06 utc | 83 While everyone is focusing on China’s military actions in response to Pelosi visiting Taiwan… Posted by: Et Tu | Aug 12 2022 11:18 utc | 84 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 12 2022 1:11 utc | 64 Posted by: Lex | Aug 12 2022 11:54 utc | 85 Posted by: unimperator | Aug 12 2022 10:03 utc | 82 Posted by: sln2002 | Aug 12 2022 14:37 utc | 86
I find the attribution of these events to a physical pole shift more satisfying, being that it would account for why the Laurentide Ice Sheet formed prior to the Younger Dryas event and yet hasn’t reformed over the millennia since. (I don’t have a link to an online discussion of this subject at hand, but I’ll look for one if any barflies express interest.) Posted by: David Levin | Aug 12 2022 14:54 utc | 87 @ waynorinorway | Aug 12 2022 6:25 utc | 77 Posted by: james | Aug 12 2022 15:20 utc | 88 @ David Levin | Aug 12 2022 14:54 utc | 86
You need to come up with a plausible mechanism for any hypothesis. I presented both the mechanism and the verifiable evidence to support it. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2022 15:39 utc | 89 @suzan #40
What you are saying in your scenario is that the mother forced the minor to abort – that the girl wanted to keep the baby but the mother did not.
If the girl wanted to keep the baby – obviously keeping pregnancy secret through to birth is literally impossible. Even stupid people should understand that. So fail.
And this changes what? Posted by: c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:01 utc | 90 @William Gruff #37 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:02 utc | 91 @xLemming #44 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:04 utc | 92 @horseguards #46
It isn’t a language issue, it is a chain of reasoning. Posted by: c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:08 utc | 93 @c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:02 utc | 91
What can be sold as beneficial and be indistinguishable from a weapon at the same time is tempting in some circles. Beamed power from orbit as a weapon will be attempted for sure, if it has not already been attempted. Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 12 2022 16:12 utc | 94 @Lex #57 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:15 utc | 95 Good on you, waynorinorway | Aug 12 2022 6:25 utc | 77!! The proof is in the pudding for sure, and my following my own advice this year did for me as your previous years had done! I have been unable to produce the leafy plants you describe, and that’s essential. I am so happy you seem to have had better results! Posted by: juliania | Aug 12 2022 16:16 utc | 96 @Piotr Berman #71 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:18 utc | 97 @Bad Deal Motors On #74 Posted by: c1ue | Aug 12 2022 16:22 utc | 98 William Gruff | Aug 11 2022 19:22 utc | 37 Posted by: john | Aug 12 2022 17:09 utc | 99
From what I’ve read, the Laurentide Ice Sheet reached as far south as 37 degrees N latitude. (For clarity, I’m going to use the term “Laurentide land mass” to denote the land on which that ice sheet sat.) For the southern edge of the Laurentide land mass to have supported an ice cap, it would have had to be considerably further north than it is today. If the threshold for the ice cap were, say, 65 degrees N latitude, that would mean that the southern edge of the Laurentide land mass would have been at least 28 degrees north of its present latitude. Posted by: David Levin | Aug 12 2022 17:13 utc | 100 |
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