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August 1, 2022
On The ‘Woke’ Flight To Taiwan

Is this the most 'librul' rubbish headline ever?


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What is the definition of 'many'? I wonder at what tiny slice of the market this 'woke' advertisement for buying real estate is targeted.

Anyway – More seriously.

That too old 'woke' lady with the massive freezer full of very expensive ice-cream let it know through Taiwanese media that she wants to arrive in Taipei tomorrow, August 2, at 22:30 local time (14:30 UTC) and stay over night.

Pelosi's trip is a stupid thing to do but she is a politician and stupid things are what they generally do.

Michael D. Swaine @Dalzell60 – 12:26 UTC · Aug 1, 2022

I have been told that Pelosi has said she will only not go 2 TW if Biden publicly discourages her n she can blame him. Anyone else heard this? Sounds like Pelosi. Why can’t they both confer n conclude it’s not a good idea? Why the blame game, if true?
Pelosi expected to visit Taiwan, Taiwanese and US officials say

I can think of several reasons why Pelosi will not arrive in Taiwan. Here flight might, for example, get diverted. But it is also possible that it happens but is followed by huge consequences, likely to the disadvantage of the U.S. and Taiwan.

There is also this thought, by Cynthia Chung, which might become relevant:

In October 2019, Jake Sullivan, who became U.S. National Security Advisor in 2021, stated in an interview that the U.S. needed a clear threat to rally the world and play the role of saviour of mankind and that China could be that organizing principle for U.S. foreign policy. In the 2019 interview, he acknowledges that the problem was that people were not going to believe that China is a global threat, that their view of China is too positive and that the United States would need a “Pearl Harbour moment,” a real focusing event to change their minds, something he calmly stated that “would scare the hell out of the American people.”

She correctly traces such 'Pearl Harbour moment' thinking back to neo-conservative movement. Chung closes with this:

Thus, when Jake Sullivan observes that there is not enough anti-China sentiment to bolster an image of the United States as a “saviour of mankind” against China and that America is in need of a “Pearl Harbour moment” I would be very wary.

The circus around Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan in the coming days, and evident glee that is coming forth from many of these neocons frothing at the mouth over this prospect is a clear sign that something incredibly reckless and stupid is about to happen.

Pelosi’s airplane might indeed be shot down on her completely irrelevant and unnecessary trip to Taiwan, and if it is, don’t be surprised if it was the Americans themselves who are behind it, who have shown they are willing to do anything for that “Pearl Harbour moment.”

I for one surely hope that the above does not happen.

Comments

Some good comments in this batch and some very stupid ones too…
Pelosi’s trip can only be described as a provocation, there is no other purpose, but I think the Dems have soiled their diaper, the American people are not looking for a war with China, they have enough problems home as it is. Unemployment, inflation, collapse of economy, war in Ukraine, the list is never ending.
The American government seem not to understand “Red Lines”, they did not in Ukraine, why would it be different in the South China Sea? The American people need to Faacking wake up, China is not another small island to walk over! And the risk that the Russians will join the fray too!

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Aug 2 2022 0:28 utc | 201

https://www.ktvu.com/news/pelosis-husband-court-date-set-for-dui-arrest-still-no-decision-on-possible-charges

NAPA, Calif. – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband is expected to appear in court in August following his DUI arrest, though it has not been determined if he will face criminal charges.
Napa County District Attorney Allison Haley announced Thursday that Paul Pelosi is scheduled to appear in Napa County Superior Court on Aug. 3 at 8:30 a.m.

Can’t have media attention focused on that. The good wife going to Taiwan the day before would suitably distract media attention.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 0:38 utc | 202

But of corse population of Taiwan must have their rights to determine themselves where and how they want to live. If they indeed want to become a japanese colony, then let it be, it’s their decision. So far they had not made a new nation, not han.
Alsou taiwanese aboriginals must have some rights just like tibetans, uighurs, navaho, lakota, mordvins, buryats or whatever natives.

Posted by: Alef | Aug 2 2022 0:42 utc | 203

Is Pelosi’s FN MH270 by any chance?

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 2 2022 0:44 utc | 204

Posted by: AParadiseLost | Aug 2 2022 0:03 utc | 201
Maybe the chimp could write tweets for POTUS: “It was the best of times, it was the blorst of times…” What? You idiot!

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 2 2022 0:46 utc | 205

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Aug 1 2022 23:44 utc | 196

Thank you for your comment. I am assuming you are referring to my comment to Herr Ringbone on #101.
I have put the whole string of comments together and I stand by my position that Herr Ringbone claims to be a Taiwanese who loves the Japanese fascist of WW2. Therefore, he is what he loves. If I missed something, please point it out and I will offer my apologies.

I’m sorry, but you can’t read. I am *condemning* an actual existing tendency in Taiwanese politics whereby people explicitly side with the Imperial Japanese in order to annoy the PRC.
I mean, it was pretty clear. It’s not my fault you’re illiterate.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Aug 2 2022 0:48 utc | 206

Do taiwanese aboriginals have the same rights as uighurs in Xinjiang or tibetans? I guess no.
Interesting moment would be chosing a next reincarnation of Dalailama. Probably CCP and tibetan exile could not agree on this issue.

Posted by: Alef | Aug 2 2022 0:50 utc | 207

Moscow TV tower lights up in support of China: “Russia is with you!”

Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Aug 2 2022 0:52 utc | 208

>>> by: Herr Ringbone | Aug 1 2022 16:06 utc | 5

The last time they did so, in Korea, the result was “a draw” (according to the Americans themselves),

They are still deceiving themselves. They should have stopped at the 38 parallel, but trying to invade DPRK and failing meant they lost after that point because DPRK is still there.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Aug 2 2022 0:52 utc | 209

@fnord
Replying to the points you brought about this “woke” thing, I think the problem is not defending anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, and so on. That goes off the point. The problem I think is well expressed by Glenn Greenwald as follows:
If you don’t see that woke ideology is the new pretext for US imperialism, you should start. Dems are increasingly justifying the need for militarism, sanctions regimes, even regime change based on the pretext that the targeted countries don’t adhere to liberal cultural norms.
The same thing happens with “Democracy” and “Human Rights” – these concepts have been used as pretexts by the US for the invasion of other countries and other types of interventionism by the “good US”.
I could continue pointing out how the same US does not comply with “Democracy” (only two right-wing extreme capitalist parties, society is not represented; assassination and persecution of communists in the near past and repression and exclusion of dissidents until today – that violates the Human Rights also); nor with “anti-fascism” (control of information as we see so often said here on MoA); and so on.

Posted by: FC | Aug 2 2022 0:54 utc | 210

The last paragraph should not be in italic, just the middle paragraph is a quote of a tweet from Greenwald.

Posted by: FC | Aug 2 2022 0:55 utc | 211

fyi
if the wicked Witch of The West Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan…..
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1554131962134028289
“The Chinese military will not sit idly by” (“中国军队不会坐视不管”) is a very serious warning in Chinese military parlance.
Same warning issued on Oct 3rd, 1950, during the Korean war when Zhou Enlai warned the US (via the Indian ambassador) not to cross the 38th parallel.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 2 2022 1:00 utc | 212

SPAR20, a C40, turned on its abs off japan and is over Mindoro Island now. Pelosi is SPAR19

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 2 2022 1:00 utc | 213

I believe China will declare sanctions on their breakaway province Taiwan by tomorrow and immediately begin an embargo. All military shipments will be prohibited. All ship traffic will be inspected. Direct flights will be diverted to the mainland for inspection and possible quarantining for Covid. This will be much like the embargo that has been imposed on Cuba for the last 70 years.

Posted by: Quid me vexari? | Aug 2 2022 1:04 utc | 214

Most of the talk is about the response of China to the US over this diplomatic assault.
I think the response will be to the host -Taiwan itself, perhaps while she’s there. I would think damage from afar ports, airstrip runways and damaged defence infrastucture happening all around mighty help her realise she’s in China and requires a visa to come and go.
22:30 tonight in Taipei, earthquakes not uncommon, weather forecast hot, humid, wet and with thunderstorms, getting close to typhoon season.

Posted by: Dim sim | Aug 2 2022 1:11 utc | 215

80 billion reasons for Pelosi to go to Taiwan.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/biden-administration-faces-midnight-court-deadline-to-defend-24350-billion-of-trumps-china-tariffs/ar-AA10cfzR
WASHINGTON — The Biden administration faces a legal deadline at midnight to defend former President Donald Trump’s China tariffs, even as the White House considers scaling them back to lower consumer prices and ease inflation.
Scores of companies sued the Trump administration in September 2020, arguing the process of implementing a third and fourth tranche of tariffs on roughly $350 billion in goods was overly broad and hastily implemented. If the Biden administration, having inherited the suit, cannot prove the legitimacy of the tariffs or the process, it may be forced to reevaluate tens of thousands of public comments on the tax penalties, or reimburse the parties for what they’ve paid.
“The stakes are significant,” says Alex Schaefer, international trade partner at Crowell, who represents some of the importers. Schaefer says the government lacks the manpower to process the volume of comments, and refunding importers could cost $80 billion.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 1:14 utc | 216

It will be interesting to see what the air carriers will do around the arrival departure times of madame Pelosi

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 2 2022 1:15 utc | 217

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 1 2022 21:56 utc | 165
“And the John Ellis ‘Brute Force’ Strategic Logistics Award goes to . . . !”

Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 2 2022 1:36 utc | 218

UPDATED: Carrier USS Ronald Reagan, F-35B Big Deck Operating Near Taiwan as Pelosi Arrives in Singapore; China Renews Threats
They Navy reported the Reagan transited the San Bernardino Strait, on July 30, 2022 and is now in the Philippine Sea. It probably exited around Samar island. SPAR19 will probably take a path near the carrier to pick up a naval aviation escort on her approach to Taiwan.
I am guessing the Taiwan air force will take a hand off east of Taiwan with the US carrier hanging somewhere in the Northern and eastern stretch of the Philippine sea.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 2 2022 1:37 utc | 219

If SPAR 19 is the flight, that is showing on flight radar 24 on the ground at Singapore. That its now showing I guess it is now ready for takeoff – or launch… into hot WWIII.
https://www.flightradar24.com/SPAR19/2ce45ed0

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 1:47 utc | 220

Patroklos | Aug 1 2022 21:34 utc | 154
The Sydney Morning Herald was once a broadsheet.
It is now a tabloid, both in size, and significance.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 1:48 utc | 221

Re 225 circumspect
Noboby is going to hurt the old hag, she will fly to where she wants to go. But China has said it is not pleased. When China says it is not pleased, you better listen, China has 4000 years on its back as a major power, today a Superpower like The US and Russia, a power you can not ignore. And when China and Russia align, it is a huge obstacle! Diaper Biden sure has a lot on his plate!

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Aug 2 2022 1:56 utc | 222

We need to look at how any Chinese military response will benefit the Deep State. The National Security State has as its first goal the survival of its institutions and hierarchy–they want big budgets and power. Secondarily, it seeks to benefit its clients in Congress and industry. It has no interest in the well-being of the country as a whole because the Deep State is its own country.
There will be no WWIII if the Chinese respond militarily. What will clearly happen is that the Deep State institutions will take a bigger chunk of power and continue their alliances with Big Tech, Big Pharma, and so on. They will try to impose a more totalitarian state as they have been doing particularly since 2016. Censorship will increase, more people banned/cancelled, web sites like this one may have trouble and so on.
The US is not interested in conquering China or Russia–it only wants to manipulate them into being Orwellian enemies. The US military is no shape to fight anyone.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 2 2022 2:07 utc | 223

Good Germans now are foregoing hot showers and saying “Take that, Putin!” as if it makes any sense at all!
Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 1 2022 23:49 utc | 198
Goose-bumps are better than goose-steps, which is progress.

Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 2 2022 2:08 utc | 224

In addition, with all the civilian air traffic around the island it would be impossible to fire surface to air missiles as you could strike a civilian airliner. The West will probably not alert civilian aviation as it makes an excellent screen.
China may announce a blockade tonight of civilian aviation. I think at that time the bluff is called if they do not do announce an air warning for civilian aviation.
With the Reagan far east in the Philippine sea and Taiwan’s air force picking up Pelosi’s jet any air battle may be on Taiwan’s shoulders. The US can throw in some F-35’s.
China can launch some cruise missiles from its bomber platform or some surface to surface missiles to hit the carrier. Do they need to do that? They have to so something not to lose face. The journalism coming out of China reminds me of Hearst newspapers. The so called yellow journalism. No pun intended.
Pelosi’s handlers baited the hook.
When Hearst Artist Frederic Remington, cabled from Cuba in 1897 that “there will be no war,” William Randolph Hearst cabled back: “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.”

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 2 2022 2:12 utc | 225

Ed Nelson: yes you’re right in what I’m referring to. I see Herr Ringbone has replied but I’ll point out the detail I think perhaps was the cause.
I think you’re missing the quotation marks surrounding the sentence:

“Why should I celebrate the defeat of Japan? We were on the Japanese side at the time.”

I read those two sentences to be meant as an example of something a pro-Imperial Japanese Taiwanese would argue. Thus not his opinion, nor a claim to be Taiwanese Chinese himself.
If this is the case then still yes those are easy to miss (and hopefully you can both accept this), and alternatively if I’m wrong then why would those quotation marks be there?
Communication is hard; I saw karlof1 say sorry when I’m not sure why because I’m not really disagreeing (or intending to argue) and we can both be simultaneously right despite saying slightly different things (they’re not mutually exclusive) and I don’t really know how to interpret it.
This kind of stuff is all normal and pretty much unavoidable for everyone 🙂
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Perimetr: agreed! President Fudge is too funny! For Buttigieg it’s close to “butt-gig” which might be a fitting job description for him.
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Circumspect yeah SPAR20 looks like it might also be heading for Singapore, it is currently outside of Brunei.
Meanwhile SPAR19 has gone out of XSP Seletar in Singapore (not the same place it landed which was supposed to have been QPG Paya Lebar Air Base, hmm) and is currently going up Malaysia towards Kuala Lumpur.
I can’t say for sure but Flightradar24 removes the flight histories of these planes on demand, however they don’t seem able to do much with live flights since the data is constantly streaming in. Or maybe that’s just what they want everyone to think, maybe both are fakes. I really don’t know what they can or can’t do to the data.
The US government didn’t seem all too happy about the hundred thousand people looking at SPAR19 so now they can divide the attention between at least two different US Air Force planes. Or again maybe the attention is exactly what they wanted. “The Pelosi” might not be on either.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 2 2022 2:16 utc | 226

Sunny Runny Burger @ 232
The planes gotta squawk at least in that kind of air traffic. its strange, SPAR19 flipped a uturn and SPAR20 is heading in.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 2 2022 2:31 utc | 227

Looks like Pelosi will annoy Malaysia today rather than go to Taiwan to annoy China.
Heading into land at Kuala Lumpur now. https://www.flightradar24.com/SPAR19/2ce45ed0
This Pelosi going to Taiwan is quite likely nothing more than a media diversion operation considering the separate court cases both the US government and Pelosi’s husband have to defend.
Quite likely China’s warnings have been sufficient though US powers that be will keep it front and center in the media.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 2:32 utc | 228

Not quite so “woke” if you acknowledge that for ages, property ownership has mostly (previously by law, but traditions change very slowly!) been kept in the name of husbands, almost never wives!
Putting a property under your own name is empowering!
But buying stuff? I guess it often has to be done.

Posted by: Elise | Aug 2 2022 2:32 utc | 229

She is landing in Malaysia. Done in Singapore.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 2 2022 2:33 utc | 230

Biden believes US that can be defined in a single word. Here he tries to pronounce that word. He is, I think, quite accurate.
https://twitter.com/GoTime22/status/1554270976631873536

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 2:44 utc | 231

I forgot yankeeland is the center of the universe. Taiwan Tuesday would be Tuesday in yankland retarded timezone. Save the popcorn till tomorrow.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 2:52 utc | 232

Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 1:48 utc | 227
I read your comments and links in the previous Ukraine thread yesterday but wasn’t up to any comments. Thanks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 3:00 utc | 233

Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 2:32 utc | 234
Pelosi’s official schedule does not include Taiwan.
If she does not go … she never intended to go.
If they can change the definition of “recession”, they can induce people to forget by the weekend that she was ever even in Asia.
Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 2:44 utc | 237
What I “admire” is Heels Up Harris in the background. She doesn’t flinch, doesn’t squirm, makes no indication that his software is glitching.
Impressive. A lesser minion would not resist a slight eyeroll.
Caught just as posting.
No worries mate

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 3:07 utc | 234

Reuters has a posting title saying Pelosi will be in Taiwan on Tuesday.
Moar popcorn!!!!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2022 3:18 utc | 235

Meme update: The lad with the girlfriend….head turn to girl walking passed…
The US State Department right now:
https://twitter.com/RTSG_Prism_/status/1553958344804732928

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 3:34 utc | 236

Below is a Xinhuanet quote of the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson at the daily breifing

China is closely following the itinerary of Pelosi, Zhao said. “A visit to Taiwan by her would constitute a gross interference in China’s internal affairs, seriously undermine China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, wantonly trample on the one-China principle, greatly threaten peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, severely undermine China-U.S. relations, and lead to a very serious situation and grave consequences.”

Rubber, meet road…..

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2022 3:53 utc | 237

Who are the local soldiers that the US will be recruiting this time?
Japan has not recovered from the wounds of 311. Please leave us alone.

Posted by: sam | Aug 2 2022 4:12 utc | 238

Apparently, even Taiwan’s rebel government tried to cancel Pelosi’s visit, but she refused to accept it:

In the early hours of the 2nd, Taiwan’s “China Times News Network” disclosed more details about Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan: the DPP authorities had hoped she would not come, but failed to resist her “resolute attitude”.
The report points out that the DPP authorities know very well that Pelosi’s visit will trigger a crisis in the Taiwan Strait no less than in 1996, so after the Financial Times exposed Pelosi’s plans to visit Taiwan on July 18, it had secretly withdrawn the invitation to Pelosi.
But on July 20, Pelosi took the initiative to call Taiwan’s “representative to the U.S.” Xiao Meiqin, saying that she had planned to lead a delegation to visit Taiwan on August 3, but heard that the invitation had been withdrawn, so she would come to verify it in person. The response was that the invitation had not been withdrawn and that perhaps the misunderstanding was caused by a miscommunication.

Proxies have to obey their masters after all…

Posted by: Ghan-buri-Ghan | Aug 2 2022 4:16 utc | 239

@ Ghan-buri-Ghan | Aug 2 2022 4:16 utc | 245 with the interesting detail…thanks.
Yes, Pelosi is a proxy for the God of Mammon cult and is obeying her masters along with a cast of other proxy characters.
It will be fascinating to see how China finesses this situation, as I fully expect them to do.
I know this act in the civilization war play is not complete but I am thinking about what might be next if not nukes and all I can think of are the creation/application of more financial weapons, or attempts at weapons.
I guess capitulation is economic crash that can’t be foisted off on any but the God of Mammon cult with the curtain torn back for all to see the anti-humanistic machinations….Hi Pope Frank!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2022 4:29 utc | 240

My focus on Pope Frank is based on my recent conclusion that the Catholic Popes must be automatic members of the God of Mammon cult that I keep writing about controlling global private finance.
The hypocrisy of the Catholic church saying that usury is ok when their Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temples of the day with very unkind words proves my point….fully compromised and anti-humanistic to the core.
It doesn’t hinder the expression of my feelings about Pope Frank, the Jesuit, that I experienced 12 years of formal Catholic “education”, four years being with Jesuits in high school where I got hacks with wooden paddles because I asked the wrong questions and didn’t express enough faith.
I have studied and read enough cultural anthropology to know that our form of social organization in the West based on extreme patriarchy, monotheism with the monotheism of global private finance God of Mammon at the core of the social contract around how money is created/valued/used is not a given but a evolutionary dead end for our species. I see the efforts of the China/Russia axis as trying to pull our species out of that dead end.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2022 4:43 utc | 241

@ psychohistorian | Aug 2 2022 3:53 utc | 243
That’s quite a list. I know I’d think twice about stepping somewhere rattling like that.
I’m a little surprised at how China is taking this. Looks like 70 years of patience blown. And inflates the importance of the event and whore in question.
I would make it clear that the first foreign base or weapons capable of operating against the mainland would immediately end badly.

Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 2 2022 4:50 utc | 242

I’ve yet to see a single photo of Pelosi on this trip.
I think there is a good chance the entire thing is bull shit.
Can anyone find a photo of her on this travel?
And link it?
All I’ve seen is written articles, with no actual current photos
Of her in Hawaii, or her other stops in the Pacific.
Seriously.
I haven’t seen a single photo of her actually on this trip.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Aug 2 2022 5:25 utc | 243

Some music for the times. Wind of change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFsZj1aHow
The Russia China joint statement was an announcement that the wind had changed direction.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 5:30 utc | 244

@ Cadence Calls | Aug 2 2022 5:25 utc | 249 with the claim of no photo press coverage along with Pelosi trip.
Below is a link to a CNN picture of her in Singapore on the 1st
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/asia/nancy-pelosi-asia-trip-singapore-intl-hnk/index.html

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2022 5:34 utc | 245

“[The] war-hardened US Army during the so-called Korean War . ​. . the Chinese Volunteer Army or CVA of the early 1950s.”
Posted by: Sam Smith | Aug 1 2022 16:25 utc | 17
“War-hardened”? you plainly need to re-read _South to the Naktong, North to the Yalu_, with a suitable moment of prayer for the “poor bastards” (Truman) of the so-called “24th Division” from the three Occupation “divisions” in Japan (the other two, following, were in little better shape).
(See also _General Dean’s Story_, written after the North Koreans gave him back, after the final shattering of the 24th at Taejon.)
As for “volunteers”:
“It has been ordered that the Northeast Border Defense Army be turned into the Chinese People’s Volunteers and that the Chinese People’s Volunteers move immediately into the territory of Korea.” (Mao, October 8, 1950.) (Chen, _China’s Road to the Korean War_.)

Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 2 2022 5:35 utc | 246

Thanks psychohistorian
Apppreciate the link

Posted by: Cadence calls | Aug 2 2022 5:49 utc | 247

Some music for the times. Wind of change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFsZj1aHow
The Russia China joint statement was an announcement that the wind had changed direction.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 2 2022 5:30 utc | 250
Thanks Peter. Keep up the good work you’re doing.
Here’s some background to the changing winds: We Didn’t Start the Fire

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 2 2022 6:04 utc | 248

I would not be surprised that they will do a false flag and send a Nancy Pelosi double or avatar and shoot her or it’s plane claiming China did it. Just look at Biden double, Fauci double, Bourla double, etc. It is all Hollywood. Many will fall for it.

Posted by: Bird is the Word | Aug 2 2022 6:07 utc | 249

Bird is the Word | Aug 2 2022 6:07 utc | 255
I don’t believe any of these “false-flag” shootdown conspiratorial speculations, ’cause if that was the idea they’d’ve sent Harris.

Posted by: John Kennard | Aug 2 2022 6:13 utc | 250

A lot of suggestions here on the thread for what China should do,could do,vis-à-vis Pelosi’s move with Taiwan,most implying military action,violence.
IMO it would be much more proficient when China just would arrest her on suspicion of actively supporting schemes and crimes that are internationally regarded ad criminal.Put her in house arrest waiting for trial.This would force western MSM to explain their public the chinese point of view,and allow Zone B Media to explain to the masses the deeply disturbing role of USA politics over the last seventy years.

Posted by: willie | Aug 2 2022 6:28 utc | 251

Posted by: Carl | Aug 1 2022 17:22 utc | 41
I’d call that a sweeping and unsubstantiated generalisation. ‘Woke’ used to just be slang for people who were ‘hip’ and generally saw through the smoke and mirrors. People eventually aspired to being described thusly. Then it got turned into a product to be manipulated.
Like all ‘social movements’ of any scale, immediate infiltration, manipulation, and undermining, and by any and all means available, is always undertaken by the ‘alphabet agencies’.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 2 2022 6:32 utc | 252

Making me laugh, PeterAU1
Thanks for the respite from our brutal reality.
Cheers

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Aug 2 2022 6:42 utc | 253

In response to

A lot of suggestions here on the thread for what China should do,could do,vis-à-vis Pelosi’s move with Taiwan,most implying military action,violence.
IMO it would be much more proficient when China just would arrest her on suspicion of actively supporting schemes and crimes that are internationally regarded ad criminal.Put her in house arrest waiting for trial.This would force western MSM to explain their public the chinese point of view,and allow Zone B Media to explain to the masses the deeply disturbing role of USA politics over the last seventy years.
Posted by: willie | Aug 2 2022 6:28 utc | 257

Thanks!
I agree that the exposing of war crimes must come but they have to be stopped first. I am not sure if that happens all at once or more over time but I think we are on our way there. Only then will the MSM media stream be overcome with war crime tribunals to watch rather than OJ Simpson trials and Jan 6 left/right manufactured kabuki, etc.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2022 7:09 utc | 254

Almost all flights departing from the coastal #Fujian region have suddenly been cancelled.
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1554324644924104704

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2022 7:15 utc | 255

Scorpion and oppo knocks
‘UN charter for self determination should apply here’
———————
WheN FUKUS [fuck UK, US] defy UN order to fuck off from Diego Garcia, THE twin terror gave UN the middle finger.

UN court rules UK has no sovereignty over Chagos islands – BBC
UK suffers major UN defeat over Chagos Islands decolonization
UK dismisses UN Maritime Court ruling that it has no claim to Chagos
Chagos Islands dispute: Mauritius calls US and UK ‘hypocrites’

Where were u back then ?

Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2022 7:16 utc | 256

From a nobody on twitter …
“”” While Schumer and Manchin wrote the biggest climate bill in history, Nancy Pelosi passed an assault weapons ban & headed to Taiwan, & VP worked with state legislators on abortion, Joe Biden killed the head of al-qaeda.
tell me more about the failed democratic leadership”””

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 7:40 utc | 257

Well the meme makers are making merry.
I love the beach. But hate it when I get sand in me crack.
Or the tank track.
>> Fujian right now #Pelosi #PelosiVisit
https://twitter.com/CIcicles/status/1554362642927480832

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 7:48 utc | 258

2nd August 2022 – (Taipei) Local media in Taiwan reported on 2nd August that the special plane of U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi is scheduled to arrive at Taipei Songshan Airport at 10.20pm tonight. The Liberty Times quoted news reports that Pelosi will stay overnight after arriving in Taiwan on the 2nd August. It is expected that public activity will be organised at the Grand Hyatt Taipei, No. 2, Songshou Road, Xinyi District, Taipei City.
The report pointed out that Pelosi and her delegation have booked 2 hotels, and may stay at the Grand Hyatt in Xinyi District of Taiwan or the Marriott Hotel in Zhongshan District. …

https://www.dimsumdaily.hk/taiwan-news-report-says-pelosi-scheduled-to-arrive-at-taipei-songshan-airport-at-10-20pm-tonight/

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2022 7:49 utc | 259

Language
The people of Taiwan speak Chinese just the same as most of China does, although some of China’s spoken pronunciation is more distinctive. They write with what is called traditional Chinese, with characters often in excess of fifty strokes. On the Mainland, Mao reduced the number of strokes for the more complicated characters, creating the writing system called simplified Chinese.
Japanese uses an entirely different spoken language. Japanese writing uses root characters mainly from simple CChinese characters, with a Japanese alphabet for prefixes and suffixes and additional information.
Culturally, I would argue that Taiwanese culture is much more similar to Chinese than Japanese.

Posted by: HelenB | Aug 2 2022 8:17 utc | 260

Nancy’s plane might have a breakdown when they try to leave Malaysia.
Or she might make it to Taiwan and then have a breakdown at the Taipei airport.

Posted by: HelenB | Aug 2 2022 8:23 utc | 261

Spar19 took off from Kuala Lumpur, flew south over Singapore at 35000 ft. Destination not clear from looking at flight path, heading south east after Singapore so far.
https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/SPAR19/2ce4f83f

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 2 2022 8:26 utc | 262

The United States is going beyond what is permitted, China will deprive the separatists and their accomplices of the slightest chance for Taiwan independence – Chinese Foreign Ministry
See? China gets it. Remove the puppets, it’s the best way.

Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2022 8:29 utc | 263

@Posted by: Cadence Calls | Aug 2 2022 5:25 utc | 249

I’ve yet to see a single photo of Pelosi on this trip.
I think there is a good chance the entire thing is bull shit.
Can anyone find a photo of her on this travel?
And link it

Video from Malaysia
https://t.me/sputnik/9923

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 2 2022 8:30 utc | 264

Would be nice to see, if China’s PLA starts a really big exercise and manoeuvres, completely surrounding beloved territory of Taiwan like a belt of freedom and protection. Blocking all waters for any ship, blocking all airspace for any airplane, just for safety reasons, only for couple of days.
USS Ronald Reagan is recently too far away to carry Nancy into the harbour of Taipeh? And no Elon Musk rocket for landing her safely from the space? Pity…

Posted by: EasternHedgehog | Aug 2 2022 8:40 utc | 265

Could Spar19 be a distraction, and Pelosi on a different flight from KL ?
https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2ce4f590,2ce4f83f

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 2 2022 8:49 utc | 266

Lots of red acute triangles to be seen in the waters around Taiwan, over at vesselfinder. Many with no info – warships. But maybe that’s normal for that part of the world, I never look there, so I can’t tell.
Where I usually look is Europe, the North Sea and the Baltic. And that area is thick-set with NATO warships from everywhere at the moment. Canada, Spain, US etc. There’s even one of those smallish US aircraft carriers. I’ve never seen so many there, at the same time. So that is definately unusual. Does anyone know if there are some sort of excercises going on?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Aug 2 2022 8:51 utc | 267

@ FVK (85)

Nobody cares about UN nonsense after the white world is gone and Europe is in the garbage pail of history where it belongs.

Can one argue that the ‘white world’ is also in the UN globalists’ crosshairs as well? (Sorry if OT)

Posted by: Digby | Aug 2 2022 9:06 utc | 268

This situation will show who is another paper tiger.
Only Russia until now, send a message and act after, when message did no reach minds of under developed…
Which origin is Chivauva?

Posted by: preseren3 | Aug 2 2022 9:07 utc | 269

@Norwegian | Aug 2 2022 8:49 utc | 272
Lucky duckies in the press pool.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 2 2022 9:08 utc | 270

Norwegian | Aug 2 2022 8:49 utc | 272
“Could Spar19 be a distraction, and Pelosi on a different flight from KL ?”
Since the only purpose of the trip is provocation and grandstanding, it would seem to defeat the purpose if she had to be covertly smuggled into the place.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Aug 2 2022 9:31 utc | 271

Nancy makes the supreme sacrifice that will see the hagemonic Rominate Empire saved for whatever progeny she may have.
There will be a thousand eyes watching and recording every single moment of her route to record the great calamity!
But just as Abe was dispatched without a murmur in Japan , Nancy prob will have taken her pill in vain…
Ps regarding the property investment scam – the BOE in the U.K. yesterday removed affordability criteria in the granting of mortgages to buyers!! As interest rates begin to be ratcheted up – which will ensnare these with the greater wealth and income to be scalped of all their savings and be left with debts or bankruptcy.
It is the classic throwing oil on a fire.
The dumb old Empire – its actual owners are doing what they have always done through history – driving mad then destroying these demented slaves who though they were imperial masters actually in charge of their own destinies.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 2 2022 9:45 utc | 272

Karloff1 at 24+, you understand the true nature of this world, which few people know. A great asset on this site.
Please keep up the good, honest work. K

Posted by: Karl luck | Aug 2 2022 9:49 utc | 273

@Flying Dutchman | Aug 2 2022 9:31 utc | 277

Since the only purpose of the trip is provocation and grandstanding, it would seem to defeat the purpose if she had to be covertly smuggled into the place.

True, but now Spar19 is flying along the equator over Kalimantan, and that seems to defeat the purpose as well. Maybe the idea is to avoid the South China Sea and hide behind the Philippines on the way to Japan 😀

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 2 2022 9:59 utc | 274

spar19 seems heading for guam

Posted by: timhk | Aug 2 2022 10:10 utc | 275

Shipping warning: navigation prohibited in some waters in the South China Sea and Bohai Sea
02.08.2022 10:47:32
https://german.cri.cn/2022/08/02/ARTIwva0gogKyfvlYamPczCM220802.shtml?spm=C62907.PyGv2I3pvDBY.ESafwsCc44UT.7
Strangely enough, only to find on the german website version?

Posted by: EasternHedgehog | Aug 2 2022 10:19 utc | 276

Global Times reports that the two PLAN aircraft carriers have left their home ports three hours ago and are sailing in the South China Sea.The aircraft carrier Liaoning on Sunday left its homeport in Qingdao, East China’s Shandong Province, and the aircraft carrier Shandong on Monday set out from its homeport in Sanya, South China’s Hainan Province, accompanied by a Type 075 amphibious assault ship. The first time since WWII a US Navy aircraft carrier has faced off against two hostile aircraft carriers.

Posted by: Paul McGrory | Aug 2 2022 10:22 utc | 277

It’s nearly 8.30pm in AEST Oz (2 hours ahead of Taipei time). The two most ‘respectable’ TV News outlets, SBS.com.au and ABC.net.au, omitted any mention of the US warships near Taiwan in the 6.30 to 7.30 pm time slots. I wasn’t surprised because ALL News outlets in Oz are fully on board with the Christian Colonial anti-Russia version of AmeriKKKa’s Ukraine fake war.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 2 2022 10:33 utc | 278

Do we actually know she is on a plane?
Where was she last?
Civilian or military aircraft?

Posted by: watcher | Aug 2 2022 10:34 utc | 279

@ watcher | Aug 2 2022 10:34 utc | 287
Blinken mentioned, that WhiteHouse will always know where she is because of her sitting in a military airplane…

Posted by: EasternHedgehog | Aug 2 2022 10:39 utc | 280

So the commentariat is following an empty plane around Indonesia, while Pelosi takes the slow boat to China?
I do not know what is planned either, so don’t take that seriously.
BUT The US wants an excuse, which they also want provided by China to open “hostilities” (or at least sanctions and other rabble rousing actions, as well as “unifying” Pacific Island nations under it’s star spangled thingy).
=> False flag, which provokes China to make a false move that they can exploit.
****
PS. I had an exceptional aunt who in the 20-30’s took the ship from India to China. ( a couple of months?) She arrived in Hong Kong, looked at the shore from the deck and said “I don’t like it”. She then sailed back to India without putting a foot on dry land.
(She was exceptional as she was known as a “business woman” in the 20’s-30’s.)

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 2 2022 10:39 utc | 281

A most interesting conversation.
That which goes around comes around.
That which is too good to be true usually is…………..
The USSA economy is just one big ponzi scam of robbing peter to pay paul since August 1945. A cynic would say the existing over-extended/over-priced USSA flip every sixty days real estate market. Is long overdue for another 2008 property crash and burn. Now, what could possibly go wrong in recession 2022?
On a side note. In the USSA six out of ten federal voters are female……….

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Aug 2 2022 10:40 utc | 282

Best guess is China won’t touch the Hag but will liberate Kinmen (Kinmen) island just 10km off the coast of Xiamen. It’s under civilian control and long have deep trade and family ties with mainland. It’ll be a bloodless liberation.

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 2 2022 10:46 utc | 283

Pelosi will visit Taiwan quietly but on her way back her plane will be diverted to Beijing where she will face scolding and sent back to the usa like a naughty little girl ( that she is) with a message to Biden.

Posted by: Virgile | Aug 2 2022 11:02 utc | 284

If the plane is shot down, that will prove that Nancy not only missed the flight, but found escape from longer term criminal prosecution for sundry political corruption. Realistically, nothing will happen. Number #3 is just a way of making the issue bigger than it really is. Her visit does not pose a very significant security threat to China, as they should know all too well. I do not understand those who draw parallels between build up of armed threat in Ukraine for Russia and a visit by a demented grandma to Taiwan for China.

Posted by: YY | Aug 2 2022 11:20 utc | 285

If Pelosi’s plane is shot down, it will mean the deaths of not on!y her but another five or six Democratic members of the House.
****
That would result in war!!!
This is why this flight is so dangerous.
Imagine Putin and Xi in friendly trip visiting Puerto Rico or lacota nation without asking permission of USA. Or maybe they could visit Catalonia, Basque country or Scotland. This is not equal as de facto Taiwan is independant (and chinese gov defeated by Mao in exile). Newer mind. It would take just one wrong earth-air rocket to start a war.
It is like Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand visit to the Sarajevo.

Posted by: Alef | Aug 2 2022 11:24 utc | 286

@timhk | Aug 2 2022 10:10 utc | 279

spar19 seems heading for guam

It made a sharp left turn northwards just north of Sulawesi. Could still go to Guam, but it is not clear. 150K people watching.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 2 2022 11:34 utc | 287

I thought this story would fit in here too:
The Home-Scale Forest Garden: Excerpt
What is a forest garden, and why would you consider developing one instead of planting a traditional vegetable garden, a row of berry bushes, or an orchard? How does a forest garden differ from these other forms of gardening? The simplest explanation is that a forest garden is modeled after nature. In nature, no one weeds, waters, adds nutrients, sprays for pests and disease, or applies mulch. Nature takes care of all of these plant needs with no human intervention. How does she do it?

Posted by: Bemildred | Aug 2 2022 11:42 utc | 288

Salaam,thanks ATH@72,so prescient and should clear a lot of fog.Taiwan is not a state recognized by the UN!It must be noted too,that Pelosie in not an “ordinary person” on a tourism jaunt for some R&R! She is a very high ranking governments “senior” official.She will not visit Taiwan,the cost way, way outweighs the benefits of this stunt.Self determination in West Asia for the Palestinians, that’s the issue that leads to world peace.

Posted by: qassem | Aug 2 2022 11:45 utc | 289

Never march on Russia.Never fight a land war with China.Never fight a two front war-simultainously.Here the USA have an ongoing war with Russia- though proxy, via Ukraine,which it has lost.It has a trade war ongoing with China,now wants to have a hot war with China on land too! Have they ever read and understood Claus von “On War”,just the first three/four pages would suffice- on this Pelosie idiocy.Have these occupants of the DC and the Pentagon ever learnt anything from history?

Posted by: qassem | Aug 2 2022 11:58 utc | 290

Xi should make a deal with Biden: they let Pelosi in, but not out 🙂

Posted by: Arioch | Aug 2 2022 12:40 utc | 291

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 2 2022 2:07 utc | 227
“There will be no WWIII if the Chinese respond militarily. What will clearly happen is that the Deep State institutions will take a bigger chunk of power and continue their alliances with Big Tech, Big Pharma, and so on. They will try to impose a more totalitarian state as they have been doing particularly since 2016. Censorship will increase, more people banned/cancelled, web sites like this one may have trouble and so on.
The US is not interested in conquering China or Russia–it only wants to manipulate them into being Orwellian enemies. The US military is no shape to fight anyone.”
Worth printing out again. I think this is Bang On viz what is really happening. I also suspect both Russia and China are in bed with US Deep State globalistas coordinating collapse prior to Reset after which there may well be some sort of World Peace knit together by techno-fascist means featuring universal digital ID systems and such like.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 2 2022 12:45 utc | 292

@Surferket
I think something like that will happen too. To settle this provocation and save face, take Kinmen or some other island(s). Looking at the latest developments (https://t.me/s/IntelSlava) something military is about to happen. Maybe they’ll wait until the old fiend has left and the dems start their victory dance at home before initiating the operation.
The US is a scourge on this earth. Guantanamo Bay, Deir Ezzor, Al Tanf, Diego Garcia, … too many places too far from home where they’re squatting and sowing death and destruction. The common denominator in Ukraine, Kossovo and Taiwan, of course, is the US.

Posted by: xor | Aug 2 2022 12:48 utc | 293

There are lots of seperatist provinces. Aceh, West Papua – Irian Jaya, Maluku if I remember correctly.
Palestine self determination would lead to nothing, constant wars in middle east are internal creation, part of uncompromising culture of that region.

Posted by: Alef | Aug 2 2022 12:50 utc | 294

“President Fudge is too funny! For Buttigieg it’s close to “butt-gig” which might be a fitting job description for him.”
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 2 2022 2:16 utc | 230
President Fudge and VP Buttplug.
CashCarry as Fed Chair.
(CIA’s wunderkind Buttplug is now #2 in polls. He’ll be The One.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 2 2022 12:50 utc | 295

China may take over Kinmen and Matsu (two autonomous islands close to China Mainland coast) and even possibly Penghu County which is an island past half of Taiwan Strait, closer to Taiwan coast. These island have been under civilian administration from 1949 since now, without Beijing interference. This may change as a gesture of force in light of Pelosi visit to Taiwan.
https://www.google.ca/maps/search/kinmen+matsu/@23.7529196,118.5179951,8.5z

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Aug 2 2022 12:51 utc | 296

Bloomberg Politics. @bpolitics·
27m
Nancy Pelosi is expected to arrive at 10:20pm local time via private plane at Songshan Airport, according to the Liberty Times, one of several media outlets linked to Taiwan’s ruling party
. https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/1554443678265102336?cxt=HHwWgMC-pcSSv5IrAAAA

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 12:59 utc | 297

Plane is headed for Taipei, straight line. Maybe they’ll chicken out and will turn once again towards Japan, but for now, its destination is quite clear. We’ll see what China does…

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Aug 2 2022 12:59 utc | 298

Don’t ask how I know this, but over at 4chan, they’ve designated Pelosi plane call sign
“Broomstick1”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 2 2022 13:05 utc | 299

Where were u back then ?
Posted by: denk | Aug 2 2022 7:16 utc | 260
Blissfully ignorant. Never heard of the whole thing. Look: for whatever combination of bizarre reasons – the most popular theory here seemingly being that American nukes facilitated ROC occupation of Taiwan against the wishes of the natives – there is an uneasy situation on Taiwan with various power networks still at odds. At some point it will be resolved either (most likely) by China re-absorbing the island into its polity or (less likely) by Taiwan declaring independence.
Now China will not allow the latter to happen because security interests, national integrity etc. Which means Taiwan cannot declare independence even though she, like all other populations under UN law, has the right to do so.
Another example of how UN is essentially a useless fig leaf. Meanwhile, China cannot unilaterally resolve the issue except through military force which would undermine its own argument (and no doubt belief) that there is only One China. So there is a stand-off.
Someone above suggested blocade. That’s an interesting almost non-kinetic but very forceful move. It would provide a way of clearing out the pro US (and some here say pro Japan) factions and pave the way for a reunion as Taiwan finally concedes that there is more butter to be had on the Chinese side of the bread than the American side.
Meanwhile, each side is free to shout about how the other side has no justification for being but until something changes neither side has the ability to simply disappear the other side either.
You may not like it. But Taiwan is not completely within CPC-run China right now for whatever reasons. The reasons ultimately don’t matter as much as the fact that the split remains.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 2 2022 13:10 utc | 300