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August 16, 2022

A Multipolar Expo Shows Unipolar Wreckage

Currently the 10th Moscow Conference for International Security is taking place. Russia's president Vladimir Putin gave a speech there during which he painted the big picture of international dynamism that is driving the war in Ukraine and elsewhere:

The situation in the world is changing dynamically and the outlines of a multipolar world order are taking shape. An increasing number of countries and peoples are choosing a path of free and sovereign development based on their own distinct identity, traditions and values.

These objective processes are being opposed by the Western globalist elites, who provoke chaos, fanning long-standing and new conflicts and pursuing the so-called containment policy, which in fact amounts to the subversion of any alternative, sovereign development options. Thus, they are doing all they can to keep hold onto the hegemony and power that are slipping from their hands; they are attempting to retain countries and peoples in the grip of what is essentially a neocolonial order. Their hegemony means stagnation for the rest of the world and for the entire civilisation; it means obscurantism, cancellation of culture, and neoliberal totalitarianism.

They are using all expedients. The United States and its vassals grossly interfere in the internal affairs of sovereign states by staging provocations, organising coups, or inciting civil wars. By threats, blackmail, and pressure, they are trying to force independent states to submit to their will and follow rules that are alien to them. This is being done with just one aim in view, which is to preserve their domination, the centuries-old model that enables them to sponge on everything in the world. But a model of this sort can only be retained by force.
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They need conflicts to retain their hegemony. It is for this reason that they have destined the Ukrainian people to being used as cannon fodder.
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It is obvious that it is only possible to reduce tensions in the world, overcome military-political threats and risks, improve trust between countries and ensure their sustainable development through a radical strengthening of the contemporary system of a multipolar world.

I reiterate that the era of the unipolar world is becoming a thing of the past. No matter how strongly the beneficiaries of the current globalist model cling to the familiar state of affairs, it is doomed. The historic geopolitical changes are going in a totally different direction.

In parallel to the conference the Army-2022 International Military-Technical Forum, an international weapon sales show, is taking place.

Next to Russian weapons, all battle tested in real wars, the exhibition showed a few pieces weapons that visitor should better not buy.

Here is a U.S. M-777 howitzer in very pristine conditions. It was most likely purchased for little money from some Ukrainian patriot.


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A short video of the gun can be seen here.

There was more such captured or otherwise acquired stuff, partly in a bad state, on display:

Maya @MayaSashenka - 4:34 PM · Aug 16, 2022

They have opened an extra exhibition dedicated to the captured weapons today. It will be soon open for public too.
Sadly I missed it, but RIA made a short video for public.
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I am pretty sure that multipolar visitors will make some fine jokes about those unipolar exhibition pieces.

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Posted by: Patrick Constantine | Aug 16 2022 18:19 utc | 24 -- You asked:

".... did invading Ukraine.... reduce tensions?"
Yes, for Zone B, the other 85% of humanity that is not Zone A ( USA / UK / Europe / 5 Eyes ). Russia's action to police Ukraine's Nazi excesses have now relieved Zone B from the stress of centuries of bullying; smash & grabs; stealing; killing; thuggery by Zone A. Reduced stress equals reduced tension. No?

".... did it improve trust between countries?
Yes, for Zone B, the other 85% of humanity that is not Zone A. Zone B can now trust those nations ( Russia, China, Iran ) that have risked national survival by standing up to oppose Zone A (USA / UK / Europe / 5 Eyes)'s bullying; smash & grabs; stealing; killing; thuggery. Zone B -- all 6,000,000,000 human beings -- can also more easily trust each other to be agreement-capable instead of dealing with the non-agreement-capable USA leadership and their non-agreement-capable vassals in Zone A.

".... what about ensuring sustainable development?
Russia has been flattening Ukraine last 6 months, but that is in response to Ukraine flattening Donbass last 96 months while Zone A kept curiously silent. But, over and above that, Russia's police operation to curb Ukraine, and through that, Zone A's genocidal conduct opens the way to curb an US leadership that has gone insane with desperation to keep hegemony over the world at ANY cost. Once the US leadership ( not nice Americans like you )'s capacity to pillage is destroyed, then Zone B can embark on win-win sustainable development globally with each other for the first time in 500 ( some say, 1,000 ) years. And that, may I suggest, is something to die for.  No?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Aug 17 2022 10:50 utc | 201

Several questions keep on coming up on this forum constantly. 1.) Why didn't Russia intervene in 2014? 2.) why did Russia drive through UAF lines all the way to Kiev with a minimal force while encurring losses that by comparison with recent losses seem heavy?

The answers for these questions are in my three articles written some time ago - answers which are dealt rather more in detail than Marinus's rather simplistic explanations.

https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/putin-and-the-fighter-pilot

https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/putin-reinventing-war

https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/the-tao-of-vladimir-putin

First. Putin did not intervene in 2014 because like all good martial artists, street fighters -- and Sun Tzu-- he knew it is best to avoid a fight - while positioning yourself just-in-case and preparing. Minsk, if implemented as agreed would have brought peace and there was strong public sentiment in the Ukraine for this, which got Zelensky elected. But the Nazis and the CIA put paid to that idea. Putin is cautious, careful, and in 8 years he had achieved not only mliitary parity with NATO but superiority.

Still, he kept his word: there was no "invasion" of the Ukraine - only an SMO to protect the newly ndependent republics. All very legal, actually. But now the Ukies have given the RF loads of casus belli, so all bets are off.

Second , the drive to Kiev.This is a classic example of what Bruce Lee called a "blocking strike" Your strike blocks your opponent's strike and you follow up with strikes to another part of the body. Yes, it cost some men and material but it showed the Ukronazis the Russians were prepared to go all the way. It was unexpected -- so successful. In my articles I explain John Boyd's theories which are the basis for Marine Corps maneuvre strategy. Observe. Orient. Decide, Act. Do the unexpected. Then do the whole thing again, observing again, re-orienting. That is what Putin is doing and will continue to do. Once Donbass is done, Putin may do something different.

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Aug 17 2022 10:58 utc | 202

Simon | Aug 17 2022 3:06 utc | 152

Your assertion

« The USA can still send their UN Ambassador to Africa and warn countries of the consequences if they deal with Russia - and they don't tell the USA where to go. »

Is incorrect

The Minister for Foreign Affairs in South Africa was quite clear, told Blinken
« South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor told reporters on Monday, with Secretary of State Tony Blinken sitting next to her, that she objected to “patronizing bullying” coming from the West: “Because when we believe in freedom – as I’m saying, it’s freedom for everybody – you can’t say because Africa is doing this, you will then be punished by the United States…. One thing I definitely dislike is being told `either you choose this or else.’ When a minister speaks to me like that … I definitely will not be bullied in that way, nor would I expect any other African country worth its salt to agree to be [so] treated.” »

https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2022/08/10/south-african-foreign-minister-tells-blinken-were-sovereign-and-well-do-things-our-way/

While President Museveni told Ambassador Thomas –Greenfield not to sanction African countries

https://www.newvision.co.ug/category/news/separate-african-countries-from-sanctions---m-140143

Even US MSM consider current US strategy to threaten Africa counter productive, a mechanical re gurgitating of long time tried and failed

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/08/12/bidens-new-africa-strategy-is-shortsighted-and-stale/

Posted by: Gerrard White | Aug 17 2022 11:07 utc | 203

From IntelSlava

🇺🇦⚡Vladimir Zelensky wants to remove Valeriy Zaluzhny from the post of commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian troops - Ukrainian information and news portal "Telegraph".

"The head of the Ukrainian army, Major General Valery Zaluzhny, can be replaced in his high post. The current commander in chief will probably be offered to take the post of defense minister. There is already a candidate for his place," the portal writes, citing sources. According to media reports, the current commander of the ground forces of Ukraine Alexander Syrsky can take the place of Zaluzhny.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 17 2022 11:23 utc | 204

Posted by: Roger | Aug 16 2022 23:10 utc | 99

Posted by: TheRealGabeShady | Aug 17 2022 7:11 utc | 172

Following Stalinist doctrine, supporting Spetzoperatsiya Z, and Putin right now; IS revolutionary.

This doesn't mean that the SMO or Putin are revolutionary, which they aren't; and the "revolutionary quality" is not predicated of them, but of the would-be supporter.

Why? Because the opposite stance (ukronazis) is untenable from a revolutionary position of scientific socialism, given its history, behavior and allegiances; and an attempt at equidistance is simply condoning ukronazis under the table, indirectly legitimizing them.

Is it an optimal development? No
Could it lead to other future problems? Yes

But it is absolutely clear which one of the sides of this shitshow is MORE damaging to the affected workers and peoples: ukronazis and their backers.

Trying to equalize both sides on grounds of ideological purity is nothing more than a relapse into idealism through dogmatism; instead of engaging in the required dialectical, historical and materialist concrete analysis of the concrete situation.

And as to the anti-nationalist angle: for a truly anti-nationalist position, what does it matter whether a given zone falls within Ukrainian or Russian borders? The only thing that would matter are material living conditions; on this front the Ukrainian economic system is hopelessly outclassed by the Russian system.

"The truth is that, for reasons that we all understand and which include the ineptitude of the nominal leaders of the working people- including those inveterate sectarians who, like our new friend NoNews, feel that much is to be gained, as we march into battle, by ripping one another to shreds and refusing to struggle in the same ranks as 'Stalinists" 'Trotskyists" or whatever (bearing in mind that most of the so called Trotskyists and Stalinists know nothing of the century old controversies which initially divided them)..." 

Posted by: bevin | Aug 17 2022 0:44 utc | 125

As a stalinist I'd like to add that as long as siding with the enemy "through a backdoor" (as I described above) is not part of the picture, I don't have any showstopper problems with followers of trotsky; and this personalized hypostasis of an ancient schism in the bolsheviks is for the most part useless by now.

We should work together instead of reenacting ancient schisms, the blue team doesn't care which shade of red you are except for the chance to instrumentalize you in favor of blue team's continued oppression and plunder; a phenomenon you have characterized in very apt words to which I have nothing more to add.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 11:26 utc | 205

Today, at a daily briefing for journalists at the joint press center of the International Military-Technical Forum "ARMY-2022" and ArMI–2022, the chief judge of the games, Colonel-General Alexander Lentsov, summed up the results of four competitive days.

According to the chief judge, over the past day, more than 175 thousand spectators visited the venues of the competitions of military specialists. In total, more than 560 thousand fans watched them from the stands during the days of the ARMI–2022.

"Yesterday, the opening ceremonies of three contests were held, lots were also held in three contests and competitions in 23 contests," Colonel-General Alexander Lentsov said.

The competitions of the military police "Guardian of Order" have started. According to the results of the first stage of the competition – "Patrol squad" – the team of the Armed Forces of Russia is in the lead, Belarus is in second place, Iran closes the top three.

The Sea Cup competition has started in the Republic of Azerbaijan with the exercise "Artillery firing on a floating mine". Russia and Azerbaijan shared the first place among themselves. They are followed by Kazakhstan and Iran.

In the Republic of Belarus, signalmen and military railway workers have started the competitions. At the "Confident Reception" contest in Minsk, the first stage of "Radio Orientation" was held, according to the results of which the team of Belarus showed the best result, Russia finished second, Uzbekistan finished third. The first stage of the "Bridge Bridge" was also held at the "Steel Highway" competition. Russia has the first, Belarus has the second.

Another competition hosted by the Republic of Belarus is the Polar Star among special purpose units. According to the results of the eight exercises, the places were distributed as follows: Belarus, Russia, Uzbekistan.

In the Republic of Uzbekistan, the competitions of repair platoons of weapons "Master Gunsmith" have started. After the first stage, the best time was shown by the servicemen of Uzbekistan, the second place was taken by Russian specialists.

At the Military Medical Relay competition in St. Petersburg, the Russian team is leading, followed by Uzbekistan and Belarus.

In the competition among the mountain units of the "Elbrus Ring", servicemen competed in rescuing the victim at the climbing wall. As a result of the completion of four tasks, the first place is taken by the Russian team, the second – by Uzbekistan.

It is worth noting that this year a new record was set at the Elbrus Ring competition when performing a special task – the Russian team completed the exercise in 6 minutes. 2 sec., improving the result of 2019 by 25 sec.

According to preliminary results, the national team of the Russian Federation is in the lead in the overall standings of the Army International Games, the Republic of Belarus is in second place, the Republic of Uzbekistan is in third place, the chief judge of ArMI–2022 said.

Colonel-General Alexander Lentsov also said that today the opening ceremonies of the "Special Breakthrough" competition will take place within the framework of the games, the competitions will be held at 27 competitions.

Armen Feroyan, the judge of the Tank Biathlon contest from Armenia, Divisional General Jose Gregorio Perez Malave, a member of the Main Judging Panel of the ArMI-2022 from Venezuela, as well as the chiefs of staff of the Tactical Shooter and Falconry contests, also spoke at a briefing for media representatives.

"Within the framework of the 2022 Games, the team of the Republic of Armenia participates in 13 competitions. The states on whose territory the competitions are held received the participants at the highest level, providing comfortable accommodation for the personnel in dormitories, and the management staff in hotels. Three meals a day with elements of a buffet are organized for the personnel. Sports and cultural events are held in their free time. The personnel is provided with everything necessary," Armen Feroyan, the judge of the Tank Biathlon competition from Armenia, said.

Posted by: Int Army Games | Aug 17 2022 11:29 utc | 206

By the way, it is sort of Army-2022 thread...🤔

Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 11:36 utc | 207

Posted by: Bayle | Aug 16 2022 23:18 utc | 102

The way of living in America today exported to the world -
1) In food to be served in restaurants - no salt, no sugar, no gluten, no lactose
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We could be so lucky. Salt, sugar, gluten and lactose are as American as apple pie. And big macs, soft drinks and pillow-case-size bags of chips.

As it stands, American mono-culture steamrolled across the globe at the expense of diversity, bringing fast food, big-gulp milkshakes and other monstrosities such as cheese in a spray can and meat products that appear to have been hosed off the floor of the meatpacking plant.

As far as I'm concerned, they can keep it all, and they can also keep the obesity and diabetes.

Posted by: robin | Aug 17 2022 11:49 utc | 208

Been wondering why progress is so slow at Bakhmut, mines may well be the reason. Although I'm impressed how well an APC with a V-hull stands up to them (i.e. passengers survive), it's still I imagine highly unpleasant and disorienting.

Ukraine are apparently using these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPD_series_of_mines#HPD-2

"It incorporates a series of enhancements to both the warhead and fuzing mechanism. The mine's warhead is said to be a "second generation" Misznay Schardin effect design capable of penetrating up to 150 millimeters of armour. In addition it can be laid in up to one and half meters of water.

The mine arms itself after an initial delay of ten minutes and self-neutralizes after 30 days. It also incorporates an anti-handling device, which is sensitive to motion and the signals produced by mine detectors."

So it's hard to sweep. I guess if you have to wait 30 days that's a big holdup, plus you have to ensure no more are laid meanwhile.

What's the solution to that kind of tactic, other than waiting 30 days?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 17 2022 11:49 utc | 209

anon2020@199...right after Azovstal fell Ukraine began rotating out its best fighters from the front and sent in the geriatrics. Their best are still around, many in the Uk recieving training in sabotage....which is now starting to pay off. Not sure how, by killing more Ukrainians, Russia holds the Brits accountable.....like letting spy planes fly in and out of ones airspace.....bit of nudge nudge, wink wink. Or a sick fucking joke. Lots of egg faces to go around.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 17 2022 11:54 utc | 210

PaulGreenwood@144...many do not know the difference between rich, and wealthy. Shaq O Neal is rich, Tom Brady is rich, hey even Ronaldo is rich, but the people who write their pay cheques, those people are wealthy. Anyone can get rich, wealth is passed down, kept within the family, or family trust fund.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 17 2022 12:06 utc | 211

Arganthonios @ 206

Personally I never followed the minutia of Trotskyism. Didn't see any need to. It was plain enough from quotidian practical interaction with organized US Trotskyism that every last one of them was a cop. An informant, a provocateur, a pig.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 17 2022 12:48 utc | 212

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 17 2022 11:54 utc | 211

Agreed, it’s problematic and even home-brew drones give saboteurs the ability to hit all kinds of stuff that would otherwise be very difficult.

I suppose one possibility, one to be resolutely avoided by the Axis Powers, is that RF takes the whole coast, links up with Transnistria and then bottles up all that rump Ukraine farmland they’ve schemed to assiduously to acquire.

No security for RF aligned areas, no sea access for western-owned harvests.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2022 12:53 utc | 213

@ sean the leprechaun | Aug 17 2022 12:06

Don't worry, we'll all be poor soon (I mean you and me), and happy by the way (because the enemy, neighbor or competitor is also poor), it will happen when the "financial sector" says: sorry, money that we have produced so far, they do not exist and never existed. We're making a Great Reset.
Of course, transactions (purchase of arable land, natural resources, technology and intellectual property) that were made with this non-existent money will not be reversed.
This is what it is all about.

Posted by: tRI | Aug 17 2022 13:05 utc | 214

Sean, I thought it was about 150 people queuing in Dublin for a rental home as politicians invite the world to move to Ireland. The same politicians which loaded the corruption debt pile of Allied Irish onto the shoulders of ordinary people ?

One day Ireland will eject the Mafia that runs their republic

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 17 2022 13:24 utc | 215

@anon2020 | Aug 17 2022 12:53 utc | 214

Yes, many believe so and looking at the operation it seems that plan was started many months ago. They won't let Transnistria be surrounded anymore and if something remains out of Ukr, it'll be city or two that will have to pay back all the loans, forever.

The latest news today is that UK asked G7 to start sanctioning China. How funny is that

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 13:42 utc | 216

Posted by: T Paine | Aug 16 2022 23:17 utc | 101

You might run into Simon Tisdall in camouflage uniform chasing Putin.

Posted by: Milos | Aug 17 2022 13:59 utc | 217

USAF spying over Poland, but won't go near the Belarus border by about 70kms, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d192f60

USAF Northrop Grumman RQ-4B Global Hawk spying over Black Sea, but staying well away from Crimea/Russian borders, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d188542

Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 14:03 utc | 218

US Army small aircraft spying over Lithuania, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d194340, but not even coming near Vilnius, https://www.flightradar24.com/multiview/2d194340

Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 14:07 utc | 219

Finally...

"President of Russia dismissed the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Igor Osipov. Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov will be appointed commander, a source in the Navy told RIAN"

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 14:08 utc | 220

Posted by: tRI | Aug 17 2022 13:05 utc | 215

Great someone noticed that the money is a ruse. Someone's buy all the ownership of everything from lands, resources, even production rights through patents.
Once the hyperinflation begins Farmers, Mechanics, Elctrician, and metal workers would be the richest men you have. All those professionals that maintain your livelihood will become indispensable. All those working in services would be the poorest men, bureaucrats, lawyers, bankers would go first.

Posted by: Lucci | Aug 17 2022 14:08 utc | 221

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 14:08 utc | 221
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Old news!
At least a week late.
Anyway, it is usual to change commanders in a military operation. Check how Stalin ran the war.

Posted by: RK | Aug 17 2022 14:12 utc | 222

@rp | Aug 17 2022 14:07 utc | 220

flightradar24 paths are public paths, they mean nothing. No spy plane or drone will keep its transponders turned on or appear on public radars if they attempt anything.
The Soviet drone Ukr used in the first month flew over 2-3 nato countries undetected by anything. And it's old and as big as a small plane.

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 14:14 utc | 223

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 14:14 utc | 224
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They have to keep their transponders on, otherwise they'd be kinshalled. Anyway, you can hear those planes, if you know where to look. The spy plane over the Black Sea is a drone, a big one.

Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 14:26 utc | 224

This is interesting - genocide of Poles, Volyn massacre, 1943.
Poland insisting that Ukraine recognize genocide of Poles by Ukranian Nazis (OUN) - followers of Bandera.

https://www.rt.com/news/560961-poland-ukraine-genocide-bandera/

Where will that lead?

Posted by: jared | Aug 17 2022 14:34 utc | 225

psychohistorian@5 & karlof1

Thank you psychohistorian for your link to karlof1's article @vk.com

Dear Mr. Carlos (Karl) Sanchez: karlof1, I fail to understand how someone with Spanish blood writing in a forum, whose objective is to demystify and seek the truth about facts and events, has swallowed without blinking the bullshit of the Spanish Black Legend: misrepresentation of the history of the, implicitly concealed, Spanish Empire built by its enemies, with the help of Gutenberg's printing house; exactly as it is done now against Russia, China, and any nation that does not conform to the interests of the decadent Anglo-American predatory Empire, with the help of MSM. The following paragraph from your latest article on vk.com “The Plundering Nations Last Stand” proves it:

"And so the plundering empires of the Greco-Roman Era rose and fell as they were plundered themselves. But plundering didn't vanish; instead, it got religion. Into the power vacuum that developed with the fall of Rome arose the Institution of the Roman Catholic Church which despite its Mosaic Law and its Son of God being the champion of those being plundered broke its own laws and morals to become the Western World's biggest plunderer until the 1500s. It made possible the Age of Plunder that erupted with the "discovery" of sea routes to Asia and the Western Hemisphere's continents with its series of Papal Bulls that began in 1479 with the Treaty of Alcáçovas, was followed by its much more infamous Treaty of Tordesillas in 1494 and capped by the Treaty of Zaragoza in 1529. The arrogance of these Papal Bulls is stupendous--only Christians (and only select Christians at that) were deemed to be humans, all other humans were animals and to be treated as such--and that led to a global genocide which isn't over yet. Even legal aspects of those Bulls remain on the books so the plunder they generated can continue. It didn't take long for all the plundering realms to adopt the Bulls, whether nominally Protestant or Catholic. Only the Eastern Orthodox refused to use them mainly because they were deemed to be unworthy Christians and thus animals."

I don't know what your knowledge of history or philosophy is, but it is clear that in the above paragraph you give some very crude and fallacious historical brushstrokes. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to change the Roman Catholic Church for the Protestant Church (and its infinity of sects that interpret the Bible according to their will, and not with catholic Reason). The origin of today's problems has its origin in the Protestant dogma (let's imagine for a moment the chaos that would ensue if everyone interpreted the Highway Code at will) and in the political implementation of idealistic philosophies of German origin and seed (which sell us a wonderful, utopian, unattainable, unreal world, in short: Xanadu. Or the purity of the Aryan Race, or the salvation of the world by not eating meat, by not emitting CO2 to avoid a climatic cataclysm, or by being obedient and taking the jab so as not to get sick, or it doesn't matter what your biological sex is because if you feel like a cockatoo then you are a cockatoo, and thus be happy without having anything, &c.). No matter how Christian Catholics and Protestants may be, they cannot and should not be lumped together as you do in such a deliberate and twisted way. Proof of this is that to this day, in Protestant catechisms in England, children are taught to associate Spain with the "noonday devil" or "midday demon" (noon in Latin is equivalent to south).

The history of the world is the history of Empires, and one of the first things one must distinguish is between predator Empires and generator Empires. The Anglo-American Empire is of the former, and the Spanish Empire was of the latter (generative), as was the Roman Empire. At that time, the Catholic Monarchs already made it clear to the Vatican that the throne and the altar should be separate; Isabella and Ferdinand did not allow the Roman Catholic Church to interfere in matters of state policy. In the Spanish Empire, slavery and mistreatment of the indigenous people were forbidden (laws of the Indies, laws of people (ius Gentium) elaborated by the scholastics of the School of Salamanca, which are the seed of International Law and Human Rights. Read Francisco de Vitoria). Look at your face in the mirror and be thankful that it was Spain who discovered America and not England; if it had been so, you would not see what you can see today from the Rio Grande to Argentine Patagonia. When you say "only Christians (and only select Christians at that) were deemed to be humans, all other humans were animals and to be treated as such", you are talking about the Protestant Church, not the Catholic Church. What can you expect from someone who wrote the following:

"But since the bride of the devil, Reason, that beautiful prostitute, intervenes and thinks she is wise, and that what she says, what she thinks, comes from the Holy Spirit, who can help us, then? Neither judges, nor doctors, no king nor emperor, because [Reason] is the devil's greatest whore." Martin Luther (Augustinian Friar)

Perhaps that is why you mention "The City of God" by St. Augustine of Hippo. Catholic dogma is more aligned with Thomas Aquinas, who said that faith was arrived at by reason. Read the Summa Theologiae.

And if you are still not convinced, look at what is left of the natives in North America, from the Rio Grande to Alaska: reservations, the rest exterminated. Just as in Australia, the genocide in Congo (Leopold II), in India, in China (opium wars), &c. Did the Catholics do that? C’mon, man!

Please read the “Tree of Hate” by Philip Wayne Powell, and “In Defense of Spain” by Stanley G. Payne.

Es menester tocar la apariencia con la mano, para dar lugar al desengaño”. M. de Cervantes

P.S. If Germany had read and interpreted Don Quixote correctly (briefly: all idealism ends in failure), we would have avoided two world wars. And maybe three.

Posted by: Josesan | Aug 17 2022 14:48 utc | 226

Anyway, it is usual to change commanders in a military operation. Check how Stalin ran the war.

Posted by: RK | Aug 17 2022 14:12 utc | 223

Churchill too........Wavell was replaced by Auckinleck in North Africa and he was replaced by Montgomery

Lincoln replaced generals during the US Civil War such as McClellan

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 17 2022 15:12 utc | 227

EU natural gas
TTF Dec2022 = 232
TTF Q4-2023 = 200

Depression level implications for Euro economy looking 18 months out if not longer

No hope in sight

Posted by: ptb | Aug 17 2022 15:17 utc | 228

otherwise they'd be kinshalled.

Not in the playbook - wrong weapon.

Anyway RC-135 Rivet Joint is unarmed.

In the old days the US used to use Korean Airlines to probe Soviet air defences by straying......that is why they lost one back in 1983 and strangely enough the flight path of KAL 007 was intersected by an RC-135 Rivet Joint and as we know RC-135 is a re-modelled Boeing 707 and KAL 007 was a Boeing 747

So these penetrations of Russian perimeters during naval exercises are designed to be provocative. No doubt a Rivet Joint will be shot down

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 17 2022 15:20 utc | 229

Why suddenly the Ukies started shelling Energodar NPP, but didn't do that since 28th of February 2022, when that NPP came under Russian control?

Few weeks ago, it was said that Ukraine will be cut off from that Energodar NPP (Zaporozhia NPP). Ukraine had been getting free electric energy, even nw from this NPP. But, when Ze and the crowd understood that there won't be any free electricity anymore, they started shelling the NPP, all the while claiming that Russia is shelling their own NPP.

Winter is coming. Kakhovski Hydroelectric plant would be cut off too. Ukies are shelling both Khakhovski HEP and Energodar NPP, trying to blackmail Russia with nuclear disaster.

Most probably, Russia must've taken away the nuclear waste far away from Ukie shelling, a long time ago. If not, it'd be Borrell's problem to get them away from the NPP. Otherwise, people in Spain would also start dying.

Anyway, all the liberated areas of former Ukraine are connected to the Russian energy supply, so the people living in those areas won't go without electricity or gas, or fuel.

Winter is coming for Ukraine, and the EU too.

Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 15:25 utc | 230

Posted by: Josesan | Aug 17 2022 14:48 utc | 227

While there is some truth to the idea that Spain was slightly less cruel in its implementation of empire, there are many instances of Spanish depredations. They would start with the Requerimiento Requerimiento Link when Spanish conquistadores would land on the shore and proclaim that it now belonged to Spain and that if the inhabitants did not submit immediately to Spanish rule, they would face severe and harsh consequences which, in fact, did ensue. Yes, while the Spanish approach to make those in the new world citizens of the empire did lead to a slightly more humane administering of empire, there was still slavery and very harsh treatment. I point you to the book called, THE OTHER SLAVERY Link to book, which documents the magnitude of slavery within the Spanish empire in the Americas. The Spanish also developed the Casta system of racismLink to Casta System Site which still casts a long and dark shadow over the diverse peoples in Latin America.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 17 2022 15:26 utc | 231

"President of Russia dismissed the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Igor Osipov. Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov will be appointed commander, a source in the Navy told RIAN"

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 14:08 utc | 221
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War or special military operations, have a way of getting rid of those who rose through the ranks by politics and ass-kissing, as the distinction between "staff" and "line becomes ever more pronounced!

Posted by: QTTO | Aug 17 2022 15:28 utc | 232

otherwise they'd be kinshalled.

Not in the playbook - wrong weapon.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 17 2022 15:20 utc | 230
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Doesn't matter. Its a nice sounding word/verb - kinshalling...😃

Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 15:38 utc | 233

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2022 13:42 utc | 217

The UK position is certainly “interesting” =)

I don’t see UK entities directly involved in large UA farmland purchases (correct me if I’m wrong), so one possibility, consistent with rumoured UK involvement in attacks on RF ships, is that the UK hopes to claim a slice of the farmland business by holding onto and ultimately “managing” grain shipments through Odessa.

If this is their hope, losing the UA coast leaves the people responsible for the UK’s Ukraine policy with absolutely nothing while those entities who have grabbed farmland in non-RF areas can at least hope do a deal with RF to ship their harvests in exchange for no terrorism. If nothing else they could ship overland at higher cost.

If this is the UK position, it would explain their increasing reckless clandestine actions and the increasingly shrill tone of UK representatives.

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2022 15:50 utc | 234

António Guterres had arrived in Lvov...by train. He will have a trilateral meeting with Ze and Erdogan. Most probably, a teleconference. Anyway, looks like the guy knows, who shelling Energodar NPP.

Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 16:06 utc | 235

Trying to equalize both sides on grounds of ideological purity is nothing more than a relapse into idealism through dogmatism; instead of engaging in the required dialectical, historical and materialist concrete analysis of the concrete situation.

@bevin 125 via Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 11:26 utc | 206

Niggle: when it comes to situation involving human beings there is no such thing as a concrete situation and 'materialist concrete analysis' Imo fits your 'idealism through dogmatism' rather nicely. Only materialists seem to believe that materialism is not an ideological ism....

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2022 16:06 utc | 236

@ Bevin13

Though the American people are without direct agency; their longterm deliberate dumbing-down, harkening back to the egregious John Dewey at the school of education at Columbia University and on behalf of John D. Rottenfeller and his many minions and fellow schemers has resulted in a narcoleptic and supine populace.

The Bernaysian originated propaganda machine, primarily based on the six mega-corporations which own a chokehold on the mass media of misinformation and hypnotic repetition of chosen "realityscapes" manage quite well in persuading the mass of the boobtoobers' perceptions to remain "on message".

We may gather from that set of circumstances that the "news" consumers constitute a type of cultural matrix which unknowingly and thus bereft of true agency, passively support their own dissolution as a body politic.

However, the first law of physics clearly demonstrates that each action engenders a polarizing reaction. The process is universal rather than specifically American. Those individuals capable of some elements of critical thought and original comprehension are awakening at an accelerating pace.

Curiously, the generally denigrated rural and small-town folk, being gifted with some remnants of common sense, have sniffed the odor of rotten fish. As the old Russian proverb teaches us, the fish rots from the head down.

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 17 2022 16:08 utc | 237

Two artillery gunners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) were detained in Energodar. This was announced on Wednesday, August 17, in the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Zaporozhye region.

“Two artillery gunners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were detained in Energodar. Both worked at nuclear power plants, ”the department’s Telegram channel says.

The detainees passed information to the Ukrainian military to correct artillery strikes. During interrogation, they tried to justify themselves by saying that "they are not interested in politics."

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Posted by: rp | Aug 17 2022 16:10 utc | 238

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2022 16:06 utc | 237

It IS an ideological ism, absolutely; from a marxist perspective there is NO discourse that isn't partisan; all discourse springs forth from ideology and all ideology springs forth from material society.

I hold no delusions of neutrality, I embrace my convictions and partisanship.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 16:12 utc | 239

Viewed either as a mality associated with growth or as the inevitable hammer coming down on the nail of truth that sticks up the highest, the number of agenda-associated paid trolls here has never been higher. They're using new tactics here not common at their other places of employment undoubtedly because bar flies are of a higher intellectual standard. I see longtime high-quality posters engaging them, likely because we're not used to their presence. I suggest that because their job is to cast doubt, to disorganize, to derail, and to insult and argue details rather than further any real multi-faceted discussion, that they be ignored rather than responded to.

Posted by: NJH | Aug 17 2022 16:21 utc | 240

chu teh | Aug 17 2022 0:42 utc | 124--

I read your comment late last night and didn't have the energy to reply, but I continued to muse on it as I read another chapter in Hudson's Destiny. Film can be used as a means of showing but usually requires a capital base to produce. Also, your comment begs the question who needs to be shown--those being plundered or those doing the deed, or is there a third audience: those caught within the system?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 16:31 utc | 241

I hold no delusions of neutrality, I embrace my convictions and partisanship.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 16:12 utc | 240

As you should! Bravo!
Albeit the notion that there is such a thing as 'material siciety' is profoundly deluded. Society doesn't exist except as a conceptual construct.

Oh well. That sort of confusion is what's the matter [pun intended] with materialism!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2022 16:38 utc | 242

Contrarian_Ed | Aug 17 2022 4:38 utc | 162--

Hudson does address those issues in his other works. Remember, Hudson has 60 years of publications. Most of his critique points to the manipulation of laws and tax regimes to favor the wealthy that if they weren't able to control government in such manner the polarized wealth problem we have would be minimal.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 16:47 utc | 243

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2022 16:38 utc | 243

A noble but fantastical and untenable riposte.

Go to a bar then tell me you drank concepts and ate ideals, and paid with notions.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 16:52 utc | 244

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2022 23:06 utc | 97

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Do you understand? Do you know what you ought to do for your kids and grandkids? For your friends and community? As a Human being ? Not just a deluded First Worlder? Not following orders for promises of riches from the Mamon worshippers.

Well? You did ask.


Not really, no. You have provided an epic History of who you identify as the main antagonists, but haven't explained how their projects will be thwarted.

I expect the Empire will play a harder and harder game in the future. Things like tougher sanctions on businesses and organizations which don't fall in line; diplomatic and economic pressure on little fence-sitters; organized social unrest in allied states with faltering allegiance; straight up arson in the stans; unabashed piracy of competing soft targets, and so on...

Posted by: robin | Aug 17 2022 17:11 utc | 245

Josesan | Aug 17 2022 14:48 utc | 227--

First and foremost, the essay is about Plunder, not Religion. As I wrote, the Spanish Popes issued the Bulls making global plunder possible. As for the contrived history of the Christian Religion, a huge industry and institution was erected around an ordinary yet radical rabbi demanding the return to Mosaic Law and its Jubilee, which went completely against the current plunder-based power structure for which he was murdered like so many others who championed reform. Furthermore, Plunder has existed for at least 12,000 years which is when material things to plunder arose. As has been the case all too often, humanity wasn't mature enough to properly deal with a new technology, settled agriculture in this case.

The current tools employed by the primary Plundering Nation, The Outlaw US Empire, are very sophisticated, devious and massively immoral. Not allowing people to grow their own food to feed themselves is perhaps the worst and enforcing that with terrorist death squads as is very well documented illustrates the Empire's massive depravity. At bottom, there's no defense for Plunder; it's the best example of Zero-sum one can provide.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 17:39 utc | 246

robin @246--

It's my expectation that those wanting to escape the Outlaw US Empire's systemic plunder will continue to do what they are currently--standing together in solidarity and supporting each other. IMO, they've discovered following the Win-Win path is the only way out, which is saying they'll create a system making plunder impossible. The vanguard of this new path--China, Iran, Russia--don't really have any need to interact with the Plunderers anymore as they have nothing to offer.

Eventually Ukraine will be solved, but the larger problem remains. Europe, Japan and Australia will need to choose to join most of the world's Win-Win path or continue to be plundered by the Primary Plunderer. Hungary, Serbia and Turkey have already made their choices.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 17:56 utc | 247

"... I suggest that because their job is to cast doubt, to disorganize, to derail, and to insult and argue details rather than further any real multi-faceted discussion, that they be ignored rather than responded to."

Posted by: NJH | Aug 17 2022 16:21 utc | 241

Actually, NJH (and you being new to me, I follow the example of my 'elders' on this thread in addressing you) I have delighted in the cordial responses they have provided to the (innocent or not) newbies herein. It reminds me of the developments undertaken in my amateur field, Christian theology, whose advocates were responding to early mistaken suppositions about the Christian faith - and there were many. We wouldn't have those clarifications had they not done so, and very many are interesting to contemplate, educational even for those who might think they know it all.

Thank you all; when I might have responded to this or that post, reading a little further I found someone already did, and far better than I would have done.

Oh, except maybe in answer to:

"...Here, speculation is discussed without even having a clue about the mentality of the Russians, sanctions weld the Russians together... "The West" has always been the unpleasant enemy for Russian workers, workers could not vacation in Bavaria or Make Monaco, workers in Russia are 95% behind Putin !!!"

Posted by: mac999 | Aug 17 2022 8:10 utc | 186,

I would simply say, yes, we do have, and have had, a clue 'here'. But you would have to go way back to fully appreciate that. Be b's guest, and have a good time travel!!!!

And finally, for me, I think this post plus comments is rather like a multipolar expo showing in itself - multipolar in that even among the elders here there is a likeable uniqueness in approach - we are not all the same!

Posted by: juliania | Aug 17 2022 18:19 utc | 248

karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 17:39 utc | 247 & karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 16:47 utc | 244

Bravo!!!

And;

ONLY from broad reading and actual study does one get to this level of clear understanding:

"Hudson has 60 years of publications. Most of his critique points to the manipulation of laws and tax regimes to favor the wealthy that if they weren't able to control government in such manner the polarized wealth problem we have would be minimal." K. Sanchez

BRAVO again!

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Aug 17 2022 18:24 utc | 249

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Aug 17 2022 9:32 utc | 194

Well, this is one example when the rentier trust earns its money. Marylebone is a thriving neighborhood, changing as required by changing times. The trust adjust the rules and maintains the properties. Make the trust go bankrupt, the neighborhood will go down over time. Not to mention that due to various UK rules a lot of low income people live in this beautiful village.

Posted by: RB | Aug 17 2022 19:09 utc | 250

karlof1 @ Aug 17 2022 17:56 utc | 248

Win-win vs zero sum. Indeed, these are different systems with different approaches and strategies. I do wish this subject were discussed more often at the bar.

My point is that there are many parties that do not have the luxury to escape the plunder as easily as you suggest. Even the essential first step of recognizing the plunder for what it is seems well out of reach of societies bound by a carefully cultivated narrative environment. And once past that obstacle, you have to actually face the Empire and bear whatever it will throw your way.

Posted by: robin | Aug 17 2022 19:31 utc | 251

Go to a bar then tell me you drank concepts and ate ideals, and paid with notions.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 16:52 utc | 245

HA! First, please define the shape, dimensions and weight of your 'society' (described above as material and concrete}) then we can start measuring out the drinks!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2022 19:32 utc | 252

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2022 19:32 utc | 253

That's mechanicism or reductive materialism, not dialectical materialism.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 20:20 utc | 253

Posted by: aristodemos | Aug 17 2022 16:08 utc | 238

I know this thread is mostly dead now...but...

You say that: Though the American people are without direct agency; their longterm deliberate dumbing-down, harkening back to the egregious John Dewey at the school of education at Columbia University...has resulted in a narcoleptic and supine populace.

Curious to hear a little more about how Dewey's work led to the outcome you describe. Books, articles, details?

Posted by: Objective Observer | Aug 17 2022 21:11 utc | 254

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 16:52 utc | 245
Go to a bar then tell me you drank concepts and ate ideals, and paid with notions.

The philosophy of language is a bit like going to a good restaurant,, and eating the menu.


Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 17 2022 16:06 utc | 237
'materialist concrete analysis' Imo fits your 'idealism through dogmatism' rather nicely. Only materialists seem to believe that materialism is not an ideological ism....

"Sorry mate, my karma ran over your dogma."

define the shape, dimensions and weight of your 'society'

Society is measured by it's tolerance of heretics and troubadors. What's life without a bit of entertainment and fun to pass the time between our struggles to set the world aright?

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 17 2022 21:50 utc | 255

robin @252--

Thanks for your reply. I just finished the sequel which deals with the issues you raise, "Ovecoming Systemic Plunder". Paradigm changes are always messy. If you know anything about the Romans and how they imploded, you'll have an idea of the Outlaw US Empire's future.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 22:58 utc | 256

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 16:31 utc | 242

On "film" as model:

Thanks your input; it helps me to better express with words what nevertheless can not be expressed with words...and therein is a cause of widespread communication failure and mis-understanding

Ultimately, a being has only its decisionability, and that quality depends on understanding .

Chinese communication uses models called characters. Communication between beings having different [alphabetical-based] languages often depends on translation. That introduces need for translation, which is rarely perfect and never consistently perfect. Big obstacle to accurate communication!

Note that Chinese language is literally not using words. Words use "letters" such as A-thru-Z [or other substitutes], each of which contain NO INFORMATION [some exceptions]. Compare that to the "strokes" of written Chinese characters: each stroke contributes lots of information. Thus to a literate Chinese reader, there is a whole story, i.e. a MODEL, in each character. There is also your "FILM as model", frame by frame...especially silent-film, without dialog!

In spoken Chinese, the sounds represent character models [whole or parts], thus the sounds, to the Chinese ear, are functional models [!] of the characters...depending on the training of a particular speaker/reader and listener/observer.. Before China grew the literacy rate to approach 100%, a speak/hear comm often had total absence of character "models" and this cruelly minimized one's capacity to "understand" the depth of information available in character-models...perhaps down the level of an alphabet-language communication! Chinese characters are often derived from historical events and the characters often SHOW history. Note that before 1950, many [most?] Chinese were kept illiterate , [cf. slaves in southern US], so they could not learn beyond local customs and obedience to simple commands. Then they learned their characters and whoosh!

How much information is in Chinese character-writing? Would you dare to estimate it vis-a-vis alphabet-words? Leo Szilard was first to connect thought and entropy and "mental energy".[his solution of Maxwell's Devil phenomena}. Later came the calculations of Bell Tel's Claude Shannon and Information Theory, estimating limits on flows of information,...but I wonder if his assessments extended to transmission of whole MODELS... made out of brush strokes or plaster or clay or film frames... any form of true modelling that actually SHOWS the essential nature of something.

Physical models, having form and mass, require great understanding to be fully workable, but the physical model itself SHOWS understanding or SHOWS lack of it...suggesting and promoting solutions until it SHOWS.
Perhaps the "West" is precluded from easy, much less full understanding due to reliance on WORDS that don't SHOW anything.

How about teaching only by use of models...then false- and fake- and counterfeit-models will SHOW their wrongnesses and be quickly weeded-out!... like false-economics, earned v unearned income, the fraud of multiple passports [citizenship]. the alleged crimes of J. Assange,

Demand politicians SHOW working models of their proposals or whatever they are selling. Plunder and lies and bullsh will become apparent...even to WORD-listeners, because the models will SHOW unworkability or SHOW something other than what is claimed.

The architect always uses physical models because his failures are obvious and no amount of bullsh can explain away the failure...the building collapses...the train plunges into the river, or the false-model SHOWS there are missing docs to try to hide the 737-system flaws]. Bankers and other rentiers do not use PHYSICAL models because such would SHOW their other-intentions than what they were claiming...their lawyers certainly do not use physical models unless they SHOW true representations.

The model SHOWS it...or it is not a model.

Posted by: chu teh | Aug 17 2022 23:04 utc | 257

NJH #241

Viewed either as a mality associated with growth or as the inevitable hammer coming down on the nail of truth that sticks up the highest, the number of agenda-associated paid trolls here has never been higher. They're using new tactics here not common at their other places of employment undoubtedly because bar flies are of a higher intellectual standard. I see longtime high-quality posters engaging them, likely because we're not used to their presence. I suggest that because their job is to cast doubt, to disorganize, to derail, and to insult and argue details rather than further any real multi-faceted discussion, that they be ignored rather than responded to.

Exactly. And they such erudite raving rsoles.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 17 2022 23:13 utc | 258

chu teh @258--

Thanks for your reply. When I read Snow's Red Star Over China, I knew if I was to properly understand China (or Asia as all used similar language systems) that I'd need to master its calligraphy since I understood how it was constructed. I agree that there's a superiority inherent with symbolic languages since they're context independent--the picture tells the story as I understand it since most symbols are combinations of two or more. It's much easier to grasp your initial point. Now I'm curious as to how a Chinese engineer would need to alter his written description of a process to accommodate the differences between Chinese and English and how much would be lost in the process.

Making a Plunder model seems plausible as it would be similar to any financial flow chart. Thanks for planting the idea. Too bad it can't be illustrated in our comment boxes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 0:17 utc | 259

Synarchist International seems to be a term derived from syndicalism and mongrelised to accomodatebankers etc...

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 17 2022 6:51 utc | 168

Thanks for kind words and advice about searching but Synarchist International research is a rabbit hole I ain't going down! Was just curious if the person who posted about them thought they were 'the one' driving everything as the material in his/her post intimated.

I am finally getting to a point in life where am beginning to wish to know and learn less - in terms of information. Although I am curious to learn more about previous Eurasian integration forays.

For example, I have avoided trying to figure out what China is these days because I know would take me hundreds of hours to get a good picture. Nope. Would rather write haiku! That said, I have been spending a lot of time on this board because of the huge events going on but at some point will have to pull back and go back to the ordinary everyday up here in coffee country with goats and sneaky villagers!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 1:27 utc | 260

The model SHOWS it...or it is not a model.

Posted by: chu teh | Aug 17 2022 23:04 utc | 258

Thank you for this explanation. In a different way, that is what icons do also for the Orthodox, and you begin your post in the same way an iconographer describes what he is doing - that is that "it helps me to better express... what...can not be expressed with words." Iconographers often describe themselves as writers rather than as painters, even though they use a paintbrush and the only words used are the name of the subject being painted. So, for Chinese calligraphy, there must also be in the models a sense of the elements of historical antecedent, when that particular character was invented, contributing to a very longlived respect for tradition.

We cannot replicate that in the US, but I believe we can learn to respect it in the mixture of cultures this country is and was. Particularly as for most of us, we have delighted in such heritages as we encounter their diversity. It's not for this country a matter of 'either/or' 'our way or the highway' as now; it MUST become a humble recognition that we have so much to learn.

Thank you for giving us a glimpse of the complexity behind the smile of your leader. we have a few millenia to go before we can smile like that. The Chinese have done it; the Russians are well on their way.

We have good teachers.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 18 2022 1:34 utc | 261

China/Russia seem to be able hit the very core of it. Observations: the US never got rid of the british Empire. Not sure if Sauron sits openly on the throne though.

Posted by: glorbas | Aug 17 2022 7:56 utc | 181

Ha, ha ha!

I suspect Russia and China sit on Sauron's council. But just as Sauron was a maiar like Gandalf (sub-deity/angel), i.e. like Lucifer an angel who turned good into bad by twisting the good, so also Russia and China have decided to twist away from the unipolar plot they were a part of, perhaps twisting bad back into good.

Either that or this is a coordinated global collapse in preparation for a coordinated global Reset, albeit the Eurasian version is intent on establishing multipolar sovereignty principle. At least that is what they say. I am willing to believe them for now, but if they pull out a One Ring solution at some point, then we know that they have done a twist movement of their own and we will all have been betrayed. And the way these things work: they might sincerely mean what they say they intend now but once they have achieved it their perspective may change and their desires and vision with it.

For example I am concerned that they might decide to re-invent or reform the United Nations and give it super-sovereign-state powers. That's a One Ring principle. And since the power of the One Ring is always to corral the powers of lesser rings, no matter how potently good and kind, to be subservient to its will, it turns good into evil because of that nature.

In the human realm we are always twisting and turning in the winds of fate which some call karma. Karma acts according to strict rules. So do hurricanes, tempests, floods and forest fires.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 1:38 utc | 262

That's mechanicism or reductive materialism, not dialectical materialism.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 17 2022 20:20 utc | 254

First, thanks for pointing that out. One of the many gaps in my education is never having really looked into Marx or communism or far too many other things. Instead I spent over twenty years buried in Asian esoterica from centuries ago. Oh well....

However, here's the (rightly often mistrusted) wikipedia entry for that term:

"Dialectical materialism accepts the evolution of the natural world and the emergence of new qualities of being at new stages of evolution. As Z. A. Jordan noted, "Engels made constant use of the metaphysical insight that the higher level of existence emerges from and has its roots in the lower; that the higher level constitutes a new order of being with its irreducible laws; and that this process of evolutionary advance is governed by laws of development which reflect basic properties of 'matter in motion as a whole'."[4][5]"

I must confess, I don't quite get what they mean. But it sounds like they fully embrace a universe which has objective truth and that reality is mainly that which can be seen in the physical, visible realm of forms, aka bodies, substance, matter.

Perhaps what they mean is that there are certain natural and actual phenomenon which can be observed and taken as 'real.' Fair enough. But the problem with taking any given 'society' as 'real' is that any which way you define it or describe it or evaluate it or tinker with it or change it is based on concept (or imagination, ambition, ideology, abstract theory, language) and so forth. You may think you know what is meant by the term 'concrete society' - I believe Bevin said that a few posts up - but I don't think you do. And nor did Marx.

It's shoehorn thinking. Just because you can say something that makes sense, it doesn't mean it does when you look more closely.

I'd go further: any given material phenomenon, including a society which let us say is comprised of 25 million living in London for example, BOTH has definable physical characteristics and dimension etc. BUT ALSO has a plethora of non-physical characteristics and qualities without which it wouldn't be what it is and without which any discussion of it as a 'society' would be either entirely meaningless or entirely fruitless.

As fruitless say as a material body without a non-material mind. It is the two together which give us the realm of experience we co-habit together which is thus more like a collective dream world we are all dreaming than it is an objective material reality.

So perhaps all I'm pushing against here is the reliance on especially ideological or abstract terms (like society, fascism etc.) to construct solid, sense-making explanations satisfactory enough to form the basis of longer-term confirmation bias both in our own individual matrix of perception and interaction but also larger collective ones. Such over-simplistic explanation, though satisfying and often very intelligent, lead to ruin in the sense that we end up becoming like deer in the headlights, frozen by the rush of brilliant, oncoming ever-changing present reality which always gives us something entirely different to work with, something that doesn't quite fit that nicely knit together string of concepts.

It's also possible that I am once again using the term materialism incorrectly viz the dialectic business, in which case I apologize. But if so then it seems that they are positing that non-material emergent properties of material phenomenon follow the same rules-pattern as the underlying material elements involved, i.e. the mind follows the same rules as the body. That is reasonable to a limited extent but falls far short of covering all aspects of the mind-body universe. For example: dreams and orgasms!

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 2:07 utc | 263

karlof1 | Aug 18 2022 0:17 utc | 260

re Chinese engineer explaining s/g in English...Awed how quick you grasped that. I'd guess most often impossible to transfer such a depth of knowledge. If I were native Chinese engineer, it must feel exasperating. Any answer would just be glib. In real life, like my degree in chemistry.

Plunder .Curious, I did a quicky demonstration using some desktop masses as objects. From past experience its best to use s/g moldable, like dough or clay.

How to SHOW that an object "belongs"? or doesn't "belong" to someone. Or "ownership"?. So I SHOW plunder of a wallet, and realized it also could SHOW "plunder" of [a person's] attention, which suddenly made me connect it with hypnosis. Had not thought of that before.

Posted by: chu teh | Aug 18 2022 2:18 utc | 264

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 17 2022 8:31 utc | 187


Thank you Stonebird re Larouche. The BRI connection. It's coming back to me....About 20 or so years ago I enjoyed his lectures but after a while I drifted away. There is only so much time. I think I started getting into Asia Times Online, actually, reading Henry Liu, Pepe E and Spengler/Daniel Goldman.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 2:22 utc | 265

I don't know if it will help, Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 2:07 utc | 264, but for Orthodox Christians the divisions are mind-body-spirit, both for humans and for the higher entity, God as Trinity. That is why I so enjoyed otter's link to Song dynasty history and presentation of the paintings of Guo Xi - that era having been our sixteenth century in the west, after the great division between the two main branches of Christianity, and also a period when the finest icons were being painted. A very different culture and artistry but absolutely beautiful in its own way, exploring the mountain landscape of China.

The division of Christianity centered on the description of how the Holy Spirit proceeds, which may seem esoteric and a quibble to many, but really it is spirit in its actual human manifestation that is lacking in the mind constructs of those who would have the world be unipolar - they leave it out; it doesn't have meaning for them. Whereas it is a natural part of how multipolarity can and will function. And that's just normal, goodhearted common sense that most people in the world try to practise, because that is what human nature is; it is goodness. We don't talk much about that here, but it is what has accomplished so much in the hard and challenging atmosphere of this century, goodness leading to courage mindfully practised as we witness it.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 18 2022 2:38 utc | 266

The division of Christianity centered on the description of how the Holy Spirit proceeds, which may seem esoteric and a quibble to many, but really it is spirit in its actual human manifestation that is lacking in the mind constructs of those who would have the world be unipolar - they leave it out; it doesn't have meaning for them. Whereas it is a natural part of how multipolarity can and will function. And that's just normal, goodhearted common sense that most people in the world try to practice, because that is what human nature is; it is goodness. We don't talk much about that here, but it is what has accomplished so much in the hard and challenging atmosphere of this century, goodness leading to courage mindfully practised as we witness it.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 18 2022 2:38 utc | 267

Well said, well said indeed. Mencius would doubtless embrace you as his lineage holder!

I happen to believe that there is a great force or power in goodness however it tends to be invisible, perhaps even one could say feminine lineage. The vast majority of people in our world, though flawed, distracted and often a little perverse and twisted, nevertheless yearn for and often manifest basic goodness. They love their children, their friends, their parents, the sky, flowers, laughter and so forth. This love is what the evil people are trying to twist so in fact this love is also their power bank too for without the object of hate or object to be overcome they have little motivation on their own side for anything. Their agenda is focused on goodness in order to extract power and status from it somehow mainly in the form of dominating those exhibiting it in - as you rightly point out - entirely natural ways because it is our bedrock nature. Tolkein's hobbits are a masterful way of depicting many of these qualities; higher ones are embodied by certain elves, kings and wizards but the heart dwells in Bag End.

I believe the great contribution of the Asian contemplative traditions is the fusing of thought with body-mind discipline, called meditation. The structure and content of their philosophies, be they daoist, confucian, buddhist or later shamanic follow the principle of being confirmable and subject to examination through the process of establishing a stable open mind which can deeply contemplate any given subject by experiencing it. You cannot study the nature of an orange without seeing, smelling and tasting one. Meditation is that direct experience but again what is perhaps what is most important about it is that nearly all teachings and wisdoms uncovered in that culture over a couple of millenia are written by and for people doing such disciplines so the structure of language and presentation is structured around that presumption. It's why materialism didn't take so well - until the British machine gun tech forced it on them some would say - because the notion of splitting subjective and objective reality in the name of science would be entirely unacceptable because basically considered encouraging wild conceptual speculations not grounded in the reality of well-tempered subjective experience.

Spirit is what happens when mind body and heart are still and open and thus spontaneously begin to blossom. Indeed one of the Tibetan words for Buddha or enlightenment means 'blossoming.' Which is a process and state not a static condition or abstract definition. Similar to how a river is 'rivering.' So when one is actually in the flow, so to speak, on feels spirit which is some sort of combination of wakefulness and life force always present.

Those Chinese landscapes very well capture that living presence quality of a breathing, alive both real and dreamlike world we all share. Nice stuff. I enjoyed that article too - though had already read it before it was posted here I think - and did a couple of ekphrastic haiku based on them. I like haiku. Simple.

1.

misty valleys above
homes huddling below
crossing twixt here and there

2. (Early Spring masterpiece)

flowing into breathing
is growing into being
trees rooted in rocks
(Haiku with pictures linked to name in this post)

I compose haiku based on a modern format of Heaven, Earth and Man, the three treasures rather than counting syllables etc. This was especially followed in 1 (1st line Heaven, 2nd line Earth, 3rd line Man). For 2 I let things just flow like the painting....

I am not sure how much one can mix Spirit and Goodness with politics in any overt way. Best to just practice it whilst taking care of business probably, i.e. doing the right thing with roads, schools, foreign policy, governance rather than trying to tie it all together with concepts. Perhaps that is the domain of religion which in one form or another is a necessary part of any stable culture.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 3:38 utc | 267

I managed to locate the 7th century Edicts mentioned earlier. This is a contemporary translation but I believe faithfully follows the original:

EDICT OF WHOLESOME HUMAN CONDUCT
by Dharma King Tsongtsen Gampo 569-650 AD

A. RESPECT

1. Arouse faith and respect for the Three Jewels.
2. Seek out and practice the divine holy dharma.
3. Respect your parents and repay their kindness.
4. Revere those who have accomplished great learning.
5. Honor and pay heed to noble elders.

B. LOYALTY

6. Be decent and trustworthy with friends and relatives.
7. Exert yourself for the welfare of neighbours and countrymen.
8. Be law-abiding, humble and act with decorum.
9. Continuously emulate those who are excellent.

C. DISCIPLINE OF BODY, SPEECH AND MIND

10. Possess only as much food and wealth as needed.
11. Never disappoint those who have been kind to you in the past.
12. Do not waver in repaying your debts on time.
13. Be generous to all without bias.
14. Refrain from slander and maintain your dignity.
15. Speak gently and restrain idle chatter.
16. Expand your mind in the vision of Mahayana.

+++++++++++++++++++++

As with the Qing Dynasty one, this come from a different culture and a different era. King Tsongsten is known for having introduced Buddhadharma to Tibet which at the time was the most powerful force in Asia with fearsome military. Buddhism was not entirely welcome in that country and in fact was rejected for a century or so before returning and this time sticking. In any case, any reference to the dharma and Three Jewels would not be appropriate for a modern equivalent but I still think that something like this can be used as a model to craft a geopolitical nation state set of principles which ideally, like this, can fit on one page.

If Putin or karlof1 were to craft such an equivalent, I'm sure many would like to read it!

I posted this on the latest Open thread and then thought to put it here even though this one is probably dead by now.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/08/open-not-ukraine-thread-2022-131.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02a30d48ec03200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02a30d48ec03200b

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 3:44 utc | 268

Maybe you, Juliana, might like to take a crack at it. I think I might too. Just as an exercise...

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 3:45 utc | 269

Posted by: anon2020 | Aug 17 2022 15:50 utc | 235

Unlike Dutch who covet Ukrainian farms and Germany which has spent so much effort creating Ukrainian Statehood in two World Wars, UK seeks only to render Russia weak. That is UK objective - to block the rail links between China and Germany and prevent the Eurasian Bloc.

UK is Finance driven and geopolitical in that Mackinder v Mahan is the key factor.
Straits of Malacca

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Aug 18 2022 5:30 utc | 270

@ Posted by: robin | Aug 17 2022 17:11 utc | 246

In reply to my question “do you understand?” Your response:

“Not really, no. You have provided an epic History of who you identify as the main antagonists, but haven't explained how their projects will be thwarted...”

I explained how. I explained why. In as short a thumb typed on phone posts on a discussion below one of MoA’s great fact distributions. We are restricted by the format and for sake of brevity. My contributions are not aimed at the individual - but for the whole readership. As are b’s and most of these engaged here in the word battles. We all seem to have arrived at this modus independently over the years - it is how water flows down and seems to form rivulets, streams and great rivers …

So you don’t understand? Well to pursue the liquid metaphor I say to that :

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

Variants are available but I don’t know whether you are a practitioner of the Original profession, as the many ‘flying blue monkey army’ I originally aimed my post at obviously are, so won’t inpune your integrity , yet 😉

I suggested you read or listen to the speeches of these great leaders who are defeating the Empire which has moved from its Pax phase to Dominate phase and is in the Fall , flat on its face phase - all within 25 wasted years of the C21st, with countless millions dead and environment poisoned.

In fact yesterday, Putin and Shoigu made the speeches that said pretty much what I suggested they as statesmen had avoided saying - very clearly - to an audience of the Not Empire, the 85% of humanity that has been the prey for the millennia that I sketched as the road map of what exactly is the problem with the Collective Waste.

READ THEM. Otherwise don’t bother and pass through having wasted your time.

Maybe they take their cues from these boards and other such luminary sites 🤓😆😂

I’m sure b will have his say. Alexander Mercouris has already noted it if you can’t be bothered to read it
https://youtu.be/DdOJmMOqDfQ

Down with the fascists, Nazis and Oldest World Ordur that runs it. Death to the City and its works. Ura!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 18 2022 8:56 utc | 271

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2022 23:06 utc | 97

I doff my hat to you, sir. You have expounded much of my own opinion about the state of play in the world as well as I ever could.

Thank you. Next drink's on me.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 18 2022 9:36 utc | 272

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 3:38 utc | 268
This love is what the evil people are trying to twist so in fact this love is also their power bank

This theme is explored in Wilhelm Reich's book, The Mass Psychology of Fascism, which analyses the psychology of Germany's people in the inter-war period, offering a perspective on the way the state captured and channelled the spiritual/sexual drive of the individual to serve its own, ultimately militaristic ends, domineering the 'othered' peoples of the world in a bid to impose its own 'rules based order'.

Reich's work was banned both in the USA and the USSR - a sure sign he was onto something the power elites in both blocs didn't want discussed by the plebs. Reich died in a USA prison.

The WEF globalist project aims to use soulless, anti-spiritual AI control mechanisms to impose its rules on the individual, via surveillance. China is already a long way down that path with its 'social credit' system.

Interestingly, classics trained Boris Johnson identified and spoke against this trend in the use of technology in a speech he made at the UN a few years ago. It's instructive to compare that expression of his spiritual sentiment with the post-covid shadow of his former self.

Johnson">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmsj9055Fnc">Johnson speech to UN


Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 18 2022 10:44 utc | 273

Apologies for the bad link code.

Johnson speech to UN

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 18 2022 10:46 utc | 274

More apologies. That was Johnson's COP26 promotion speech. The speech I was referring to is this one.
Johnson speech to UN on Articial Intelligence

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 18 2022 10:56 utc | 275

The WEF globalist project aims to use soulless, anti-spiritual AI control mechanisms to impose its rules on the individual, via surveillance. China is already a long way down that path with its 'social credit' system.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 18 2022 10:44 utc | 274

Yes, that sort of thing is why I can't quite trust China yet even though so much of what they have achieved and are now doing is stupendous.

I was wondering yesterday whilst tinkering with my old Jeep if a good history book has been written explaining civilizational rises and falls in relation to various technologies. Humans are into their tools, basically, and tools determine much about what they can and cannot do, including how they fight and defend against attack, what structures they build, and sometimes also how they view the world, what they value.

Surveillance society is coming to everyone at some point, and soon. Everyone is going to be connected or if not will find it very hard to function. With that connection - say with digital personal ID and digimoney - there is no privacy except by algorithm to which someone else will always hold the key and which in any case can always be opened up to view by those skilled enough to do so.

This is not necessarily a terrible thing because in fact on some deep level there is no such thing as privacy anyway. Ultimately there are no secrets, there just seem to be. But that seeming is how we get through the day: we seem to be solid, independent beings, we seem to be autonomous, we seem to be in control of how our lives proceed, we seem to understand basically what 'concrete reality' is and so forth. This is all made up on some level but also both necessary and helpful and without such narrative or cognitive filters and landscapes in place it would be well nigh impossible to function - witness those deemed 'insane.' Not nice.

Obviously the danger with the surveillance or universal connection tech is intrusiveness. Data can be gathered and decisions made based on that targeted to specific individuals not the general welfare. Specific individuals can be filtered out of access to various locations, services, privileges, medicines, foods, energy supplies and so forth. Not good. And almost certain to happen in immoral regimes.

But whether we like it or not, this tech is coming. Ukraine, interestingly, was the leader in the Euro zone. China is advanced with social credit. India is coming along rapidly apparently, at first with voluntary programs. Sweden has a voluntary embedded chip trial ongoing. Canada is exploring digital currency (and presumably therefore also digital ID without which the former is impossible to activate). Mexico too I gather. No doubt also in the US but don't recall seeing a story. It's coming.

Maybe multipolarity is that each nation will be able to choose the style in which such surveillance/interconnectivity tech is used, but they will all have it.

Hopefully they will not set up a global digital currency managed by a supra-national body. That way lies dystopia for sure.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 19:17 utc | 276

@ Gt Stroller
PS.
Look forward to watching the Bojo tape. He has the gift of the gab. I thought he had some promise too but all leadership and governance in the West is a cesspit and anyone who clambers therein become covered in excrement. There will be no saviors until the pit is drained and cleaned.

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 19:21 utc | 277

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 19:17 utc | 277
Hopefully they will not set up a global digital currency managed by a supra-national body.

The proposed UK CBDC will be called Britcoin. It will no doubt be heaily carbon-taxed. The new energy bills costing low income families 30% or more of their income is just the start. The diseases resulting from living in cold, damp housing won't be alleviated by our collapsing social health provision. Despite global warming, 20 times more people die of the cold than the heat already.

The carbon the catastrophists want to reduce, are we carbon based lifeforms. Someone blew up the guidestones. I wonder if the perpetrator was an angry citizen, or perhaps a minion, helping to cover up the policy papertrail.


Posted by: Gt Stroller | Aug 18 2022 20:15 utc | 278

Posted by: Scorpion | Aug 18 2022 2:07 utc | 264

"Dialecticism" within materialism is pretty much interchangeable with "emergentism". Not completely as a school of thought, but close enough in "theorized outside world".

Mechanicism/reductive materialism/eliminative materialism are totally deterministic, closed from the beginning.

In dialectical materialism/emergentism, although no other ontological planes are allowed; raw matter only provides the simplest ruleset which sets a coarse limit; but within and on top of that; life and culture create new layers which """rule""" the finer details of life without ever contradicting the "basic" ruleset of physical reality, squeezing into the ranges that physics and chemistry allow. Which are huge, actually.

You're entirely free to choose your philosophical and metaphysical school and the terms to describe them, but.

(In the terminology I'm married to:)

Mechanicism, reductive/eliminative materialism dispense/deride the psychological and the spiritual as an epiphenomenon, an afterthought.

Idealism, theism, spiritualism posit non-physical forces and realms that are transcendent and yet interact with the everyday physical world. This is a huge metaphysical can of worms, its most common example being the "mind-body problem"

Dialectical materialism accepts spirit, culture, mind; as REAL AND EFFECTICE FORCES, but as IMMANENT FORCES, naturally (to a degree inevitably) grown from the base physical stock, but once existing capable of shaping the "coarse world" just as they were shaped in return; sidelining both the problem of "interaction of the transcendent" and the problem of closed, blind, unyielding clockwork mechanicism.

I try my (imperfect) best at believing ONLY that which I cannot reasonably deny.

The physical pre-living world limits us about as much as our capacities as lovimg amd free beings can and will tell it to f*ck right off.

I think the keystones are evolution and life. The universe has an intrinsic drive to recombine its every element and rule into ever more intricate complexes.

Human ingenuity is just as sheer and undeniable a force as the atomic forces are, because human ingenuity has been capable of bending atomic forces to its will.

The same could be said of compassion against hunger, and just about anything; these are "spiritual" yet entirely real forces, precisely because they grow from the real and physical and thus can stand in direct measure against them; a transcendent realm cannot explain compassion or thirst for knowledge or a yearning foe justice, because these worries require a physical living existence to be meaningful.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 19 2022 17:57 utc | 279

karlof1 | Aug 17 2022 17:39 utc | 247

Carlos, when you travel backwards in history (progresus) to analyze in detail any issue, you should learn to shred more, screen and classify what you find; thus, on your return trip (regresus), you can rebuild better, with better arguments, and thus unmask the truth and demystify the analyzed issue. Something that of course, you do not do.

Likewise, the chronotope must be respected: the historical time and place. You cannot judge historical facts from the parameters of the 20th/21th century; you have to make an effort to try to understand how the world worked at that time, to place yourself in that period of history and understand what was happening, what were the beliefs of that society, the dialectic between those empires and states among themselves. Which you do not do either.

And you contradict yourself by saying that your essay is about plunder and not about religion, and then you say that the Catholic Popes (Spanish) are the initial germ of what you understand by plunder. It is evident that this was in fact one of your objectives: to let the readers see that Spain, being Catholic, is the initial cause of the plunder that, according to you, the world has suffered and continues to suffer. The Christianity that you, in an interested and twisted way, maintain as a homogeneous whole, was already divided into three branches: Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant due to two schisms. And it is precisely the Protestant branch that defends that the natives and blacks have no soul, and therefore are like animals and can be exterminated. This nonsense is not contemplated by the Catholic or Orthodox branches. So you are wrong focusing on the Catholic branch instead of the Protestant branch: if you don't want to see what is between the Rio Grande and Patagonia, that is, what a Generator Empire like the Spanish did, then look from the Rio Grande upwards, and you'll see that pyrrhic 1% of the native population with respect to the total left by the Predatory WASP Empire of the U.S. Or is that Empire, which you yourself call the Outlaw Empire of the U.S., Catholic? Q. E. D.

You then go on saying that the plundering actually began some 12,000 years ago, and why not earlier? What do you mean by material things? As material is the excess grain that is accumulated to get through winter, as is the land where it has been cultivated. Everything we see: the earth (the territory), the seas (and their contents), and the skies, is material, it is the physical world, it is the mundus adspectabilis. And some things we do not see are also material: as material is a toothache as the tooth itself; as material is your computer as the electromagnetic waves (wifi) with which we communicate. So usurpation or plundering, according to you, could very well go back hundreds of thousands of years to the dawn of human beings: in their migratory movements to occupy warmer territories in winter, or to hunt, or in the displacement of one human group by another by force or without it, &c.

A black legend is built with lies, half-truths (fake news), and everything that constitutes an error or mistake of the enemy, exaggerating them ad nauseam, ignoring and hiding the good things or the successes that the enemy did, even if the latter were overwhelmingly superior than the former. A pink legend is built the other way around.

Posted by: Josesan | Aug 19 2022 17:59 utc | 280

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