When You Lack Real News Just Rewrite Yesterday's Story
Diligently reading the news every day makes one perceptible for subtile changes. Often they are edits in pieces that have been published but then appear rewritten in the same place a few hours later. That seems to be a rather normal occurrence and is fair as long as the factual descriptions and their interpretation don't change.
But this one is weird.
On July 17 the New York Times published this piece by Carlotta Gall from the Ukrainian front lines:
On Donetsk’s Front Line, Small Gains and Losses Impose a Heavy Toll
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DONETSK PROVINCE, Ukraine — Red flames crackled in the golden wheat field, the target of Russian artillery just minutes earlier. Nearby, the commander of a Ukrainian frontline unit was finishing his lunch of pasta from a tin bowl. As more incoming shells exploded in the fields, his men took cover in their bunkers. ...
On July 18 the New York Times published this piece by Carlotta Gall from the Ukrainian front lines:
On Donetsk’s front line, small gains and losses impose a heavy toll.
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In the grinding battle for eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk Province, Russia has intensified attacks on the next line of cities that stand in their sights — Sloviansk, Kramatorsk and Bakhmut, among others. ...
Both pieces are linked on the current 'World' page of the NYT website. The URLs of both pieces, one published on the 17th one on the 18th of July, are different as are their opening paragraphs.
But the rest is rewritten, edited and slightly updated but content wise pretty much the same.
From the piece published on the 17th.
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Almost everyone in a volunteer unit guarding the area had suffered a concussion in recent weeks, said one soldier, Oksana, 27. She and her husband were training as criminal lawyers before the democracy protests of 2013 and joined up to fight in 2014 when Russia first annexed Crimea and Russian-backed separatists seized power in eastern Ukraine.The unit successfully blocked a Russian attack at the end of June, said her husband, Stanislav, 35, who was commander of a forward defensive position.
“Early morning I had 33 people. By early evening I had lost 19,” he said. “It was very hard — they were firing on our positions nonstop for six hours.” Twice Russian tanks tried to flank their positions, but they spotted them and trained artillery fire on them, forcing the Russians back, he said.
And the same anecdote but published in a different piece on the 18th.
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Almost everyone in a volunteer unit guarding the area had suffered a concussion in recent weeks, said one soldier, Oksana, 27.The unit successfully blocked a Russian attack at the end of June, said her husband, Stanislav, 35, who was commander of a forward defensive position.
“Early morning I had 33 people. By early evening I had lost 19,” he said. “It was very hard — they were firing on our positions nonstop for six hours.”
Some passages of both piece differ from each other but there is a very significant overlap of the reported anecdotes that have only been slightly rewritten.
I don't know how others feel about this but if they want me to pay for 'news', in whatever form, I want it to be news, not a rewrite of yesterday's story.
I have been reading the NYT's 'World' page for the last 20 years but have never noticed something like this. A 'new' rewrite published under the same headline a day after the original story went up? Why?
The paper may have done this for its lack of real news from the Ukraine. It seems to have only one reporter in the field. Others, like Megan Specia from London or Jane Arraf from Baghdad, have been flying in and out of Lviv or Kiev, the first being the ideological center of the Banderites in west Ukraine, delivering largely irrelevant stories. There is no NYT reporter in the Donetzk or Luhansk republics reporting on the other side of the war.
There is some real news about the Ukraine, not exactly new but still news. But it is not the stuff the NYT would like you to know about.
Maria Dubovikova @politblogme - 20:02 UTC · Jul 18, 2022An audio recording of a conversation between Biden & Petro Poroshenko in Nov 2016 reveals that Biden demanded Poroshenko to refuse the money offered by the future Trump administration and do everything possible to close PrivatBank so that the IMF could provide a loan to Ukraine.
All of that was presented by Biden as a needed step for the sake of economic security and "physical security", apparently of Poroshenko himself. So Biden had been threatening Poroshenko.
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The Biden family business in the Ukraine is really something some of the larger mainstream media, not just Trump affiliates, should have been digging into. It is remarkable how their ideological blinders keep them away from doing that.
By the way: Today, July 19 2022, the word 'Trump' appears nine times on the current NYT front page, 'Ukraine' appears five times.
And what about this?
Michael Tracey @mtracey - 3:10 UTC · Jul 19, 2022Wonder if the vaunted US intelligence services have any insight into why Zelensky just sacked the equivalent of his CIA Director and Attorney General and accused them of treason.
With this peculiar development, along with the peculiar missile strike on Vinnytsia, it's safe to assume the general public is probably being told around 20% of what's really going on in Ukraine: whether regarding US policy or otherwise. So that's a roughly 1 to 5 bullshit ratio.
The Director of National Intelligence famously made the incredible statement in May that the US has less "insight" into Ukraine's operational status than Russia's. Which presumably must mean the US is just a clueless bystander with respect to these peculiar developments. Oh well.
Zelensky replaced his childhood friend Ivan Bakanov as head of the SBU with Vasily Malyuk, who is said to be a man of former president Poroshenko. Will Poroshenk be back and replace Zelenski after the now rumored of coup finally happens?
Do not expect the mainstream media to report on it.
Posted by b on July 19, 2022 at 7:52 UTC | Permalink
next page »>> the general public is probably being told around 20% of what's really going on
>> that's a roughly 1 to 5 bullshit ratio.
Wrong! That's a 1:4 bullshit ratio. Therefore, Mr. Tracey's argument is invalid.
https://pics.me.me/this-is-an-in-bread-cat-your-argument-is-invalid-25346764.png
Posted by: nom de derriere | Jul 19 2022 8:30 utc | 2
Waiting for the next officially sanctioned press releases to start regurgitating.
There are no journalists or precious few in the field these days.
Posted by: Jpc | Jul 19 2022 8:32 utc | 3
iEarlGrey has found a truly amazing piece of brodcasting by the BBC:
Russian army is struggling with morale against Ukraine, UK defence chief says - BBC News, July 18, 2022President Putin is "unable to match the people to the equipment he has" as Russians avoid being called up to fight in Ukraine, the UK’s Chief of Defence Staff Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said.
The Chief of the Defence Staff also said that Russia is committing “acts of terrorism” by targeting Ukrainian civilians.
The BBC video has 338,644 views. Not a word of what Admiral Radakin says is true. But instead of correcting the obvious fallacies, the BBC presenter seems to be putting words into Radakin's mouth.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 8:33 utc | 4
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 8:33 utc | 4
Correct link to the BBC propaganda video:
Russian army is struggling with morale against Ukraine, UK defence chief says - BBC News, July 18, 2022
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 8:38 utc | 5
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 8:38 utc | 5
Did the experts mention anything about running out of shells tanks, missiles etc any day Petri Krohn?
That was quite the revelation back in the day.
Posted by: Jpc | Jul 19 2022 8:43 utc | 6
@Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 8:38 utc | 5
Try a little game. When you read international news and see some unusually dumb story, trace back to the source. Let's say you see it on tv. If they don't say the source on tv, like many stations do, it probably is written on the tv station website's news section. Go to that source and find if they wrote it or simply copy/pasted from somewhere else. Keep going and you'll end in UK. If the news is idiotic but not absolutely idiotic, you will end in US or Germany. That's the propaganda for EU zone at work
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 8:56 utc | 7
Nom de derriere (:)) about 1:4 I noticed that as well, kind of funny too since it's all 0:5.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 19 2022 8:58 utc | 8
How can purges be rehabilitated without massaging yesterday's story?
Posted by: too scents | Jul 19 2022 9:11 utc | 9
A glitch in the process
Mainstream articles go through heavy censorship, even after they have been published. It is therefore useful to monitor the changes made to online articles. I believe the intention was to publish the new version under the same URL, but some glitch happened. Maybe the change of date intervened.
I was struck by the first version of the anecdote. It contained a rare piece of truth!
...in 2014 when Russia first annexed Crimea and Russian-backed separatists seized power in eastern Ukraine.
This piece of misinformation* was removed from the edited version. The correct narrative is that Russia attacked Ukraine in 2014. This is reported ad nauseam in every mainstream story.
(* misinformation = any factual claim that diverges from the accepted official narrative)
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 9:16 utc | 10
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 8:56 utc | 7
Exactly, no matter how many times "British intelligence" gets it wrong, their newest revelations are parroted dutifully across the EU in the headlines of "quality media". As if that were not bizarre enough, Britain is not even in the EU.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 9:30 utc | 11
Zelensky replaced his childhood friend Ivan Bakanov as head of the SBU with Vasily Malyuk, who is said to be a man of former president Poroshenko. Will Poroshenk be back and replace Zelenski after the now rumored of coup finally happens?
I've been struck at how despite the need to train up as many men as possible, the US still enjoys it's monopoly on training the officer corps. (And seems uninterested in training volunteers or conscripts) Now yes, maybe you want all the senior officers to be trained in the same ethos so having some trained in Britain and some in Poland is probably not ideal but again, you're supposedly building a 'million man army' and need it deployed yesterday. (Though according to even a media glow in the dark on Sky News, it's more like a 400k man army is the real target)
I imagine Ukraine will be another Egypt except instead of paying it's army not to be belligerent to it's neighbours (Israel) it's the other way around. Nobody will care that Ukraine is a military dictatorship in the West or a defacto one with a civilian government keenly aware of what happens if they cross the military's 'red lines' or engage in 'treason'.
Posted by: Altai | Jul 19 2022 9:31 utc | 12
When Biden attacked an area in Afghanistan after the 11 US marines (incl. one from the Navy) were attacked at the Kabul airport, the New York Times mentioned Trump had bombed the same area. After a couple of hours, that reminder was gone.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 9:37 utc | 13
I don't read or watch western news anymore. It's no longer news but pure propaganda.
I have noticed that both RT and Sputnik News employ more and more Indian writers. At least the latter sometimes even display their names. For example, today's write up on the PLA military exercises near the China-India border:
Then at the end, this Indian writer lets his bias show:
It was a rare meeting of Xi Jinping, who visited the region after eight long years, with troops, including the Galwan Valley regiment commander Qi Fabao, involved in the ongoing border stand-off with India in Eastern Ladakh.
China is a big country with 56 ethnic groups! President Xi is a busy man!
Sputnik News even has an India news section on their front page!
Anyone else notice this Indiafication of RT and Sputnik News?!?
Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 19 2022 10:06 utc | 14
@ Sunny Runny Burger
>> it's all 0:5.
So true! :-)
Posted by: nom de derriere | Jul 19 2022 10:10 utc | 15
I'll teke this headline as sarkasm.
If report is not according to nazi policy, if journalist is on vrong side of front line:
Posted by: preseren3 | Jul 19 2022 10:20 utc | 16
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (19072022)
High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the village of Kamyshevakha, Zaporozhye region, hit the temporary deployment point of the Nazi formation "Right Sector". Up to 200 militants were killed.
In the area of the village of Dolina of the Donetsk People's Republic, high-precision weapons struck the combat positions of the battalion of the 81st Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. More than 60 personnel were destroyed, as well as seven armored vehicles and an ammunition depot.
In addition, in the area of the settlement of Belenke, Odessa region, high-precision weapons destroyed ammunition depots for weapons supplied by the United States and European countries.
To compensate for the significant losses in personnel and equipment suffered by the 66th and 72nd mechanized, 58th motorized Infantry and 10th mountain assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine operating in the Soledar direction, forced mobilization of residents of the cities of Artemovsk, Chas Yar, Soledar, Dzerzhinsk and other nearby settlements is carried out. Vehicles are seized from local residents to complete the connections.
As part of the counter-battery struggle, four platoons of Grad multiple launch rocket systems, thirteen artillery platoons of D-20 howitzers and ten artillery platoons of D-30 guns were hit during the day in the areas of the settlements of Seversk, Serebryanka, Dronovka, Opytne, Krasnoe, Zvanovka, Ivano-Darievka, Paraskovievka and Ivangrad of the Donetsk People's Republic.
Operational-tactical and army aviation, rocket troops and artillery hit seven control points during the day, including the 81st Airmobile Brigade in the Kramatorsk area of the Donetsk People's Republic, the 60th Infantry Brigade in the Kirovo area, the 128th mountain assault brigade in the Vozdvizhevka area of the Zaporozhye region, five warehouses with ammunition in the areas of Vasyukovka, Velikaya Novoselka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Novoaleksandrovka of the Zaporozhye region, Pokrovskoye of the Dnipropetrovsk region, two fuel depots in the Soledar area and Novgorodskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 197 districts.
Russian air defense means shot down a Mi-24 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force in the Pokrovsky district of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as four Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Peschanoe, Petropavlovsk, Topolskoye and Izyum of the Kharkiv region during the day.
In addition, four Tochka-U ballistic missiles and five Uragan multiple rocket launchers were intercepted in the districts of Skadovsk, Novaya Kakhovka, Kherson region, Chervonyi Oskol, Topolskoye, Kharkiv region.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 257 aircraft, 143 helicopters, 1,568 unmanned aerial vehicles, 356 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,106 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 759 multiple rocket launchers, 3,160 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4392 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Posted by: 19072022 | Jul 19 2022 10:25 utc | 17
While Banderastan went mental regarding ethnic Russians and the Russian language, and the First Nations in the US have suffered for more than a century, things in Russia work differently ...
How does the largest pagan minority in Russia live today? - Russia Beyond
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jul 19 2022 10:31 utc | 18
I do hope Russia extends its campaign of demilitarization and denazification to the entire West. Wouldn't it be a treat to see every Western country's military forces, government, and captured press completely decapitated? Being environmentally sensitive, we could render the body fat of the dead and convert it to biodiesel. I'd love to ride in a Russian tank powered by dead Zionazi fascists!
Posted by: Len | Jul 19 2022 10:47 utc | 19
EU will unfreeze a part of Russian bank accounts to buy food.
I would love to see a food-for-rubles program
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 10:52 utc | 20
Rats leaved Kyev.
That reminds me on old seaman wisdom.
If you notice, rats are leaving ship, JUMP!
Don't think, why. Ship is going down! They know. You don't.
And personal, which replaced?
They said to Zelensky: DON?T DO THAT, what you are planning!
And now they are Russian agents...
Posted by: preseren3 | Jul 19 2022 10:58 utc | 21
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 8:33 utc | 4
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The surname Radakin occurs mostly in Europe, where 93 percent of Radakin are found; 85 percent are found in Eastern Europe and 85 percent are found in East Slavic Europe. It is most widely held in Russia...😏
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 11:01 utc | 22
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 9:16 utc | 10
BEFORE
...in 2014 when Russia first annexed Crimea and Russian-backed separatists seized power in eastern Ukraine.
AFTER
...in 2014, following a US sponsored coup which overthrew a democratically elected government and imposed a fascist government favourable to US interests, the Russian speaking people of Crimea revolted and Russian speaking separatists seized power in eastern Ukraine, a revolt which duplicated the unrest of 2004.
History is written by the victors. It is doubtful the NYT will be present for the rewrite.
Posted by: Sushi | Jul 19 2022 11:08 utc | 23
Posted by: 19072022 | Jul 19 2022 10:25 utc | 17
Thanks for delivering the updates.
And I hope RSH, who underook a prior similar project, is doing well.
Posted by: Sushi | Jul 19 2022 11:11 utc | 24
We are at the outset of the ‘Silly Season’ as the msm knows it.
Come hell or high water the elites want their holidays in the sun and sea being pandered through august.
The junior editors and journos get to peddle some trivial news - sometimes sneaking in a story which the editor would have refused in the normal season.
Apparently the Mail has dropped the tab they had in their front page for Ukraine 😆
As will most others- the Narrative is being steered towards the next ‘Fear’ - it’s how the media developed in the C20th as the greatest new chains of slavery.
That is ALL media. Including Social Media in the Internet age. The only difference is that there are no Indy newspapers msm and the wild west of the inter web is being corralled and will in another decade resemble the msm.
In the meantime WE can stride through it with the range’s provided by luminaries inter alia MoA, Geroman ,et al, these are the real people with real news because they CARE.
Donation on way poet.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 19 2022 11:25 utc | 25
@rk
A starving man will not sell a piece of bread even for a billion dollars.
You cant buy energy that doesnt exist.
You cant buy food that doesnt exist.
You cant eat money.
We are entering the phase in which those billions will be useless like a rock in a desert.
Posted by: Orgel | Jul 19 2022 11:27 utc | 26
NY Yella Cake: "so that the IMF could provide a loan to Ukraine"
oh, acute TDS! Lemme update that with COVID Trade War characteristics inna THREE DIMENSIONAL CRISIS. 12 July 2022.
progressives.house.gov | Letter in support of the IMF Debt Trap, 12 July 2022
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Dear Mr. President and Secretary Yellen:We write to you amid deteriorating economic and humanitarian conditions around the world to request your support, and U.S. leadership, to help developing countries respond to the ongoing fallout of the COVID-19 pandemic, the resulting global economic downturn, and now, the devastating war in Ukraine. We in Congress must quickly approve essential funding toward global vaccination efforts as the Administration has requested in order to address the rise of variants across the world and fight the virus here in the United States. In addition, we urge you to immediately support a new issu[e] of at least $650 billion in [US] Special Drawing Rights (SDRs) at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) -- a simple, rapid, and cost-free [?!] way to enable Ukraine, its neighboring allies, and developing countries to respond to, and build back better from, these combined international crises....
conclusion
... While we strongly support the Administration's efforts to ["]recycle["] SDRs held by advanced economies [G7] for lower-income countries' use through Congressional authorization, a new IMF issuance of $650 billion in [US] SDRs is something the Administration can advance right now, under existing authorities. Such an issuance will immediately provide fresh financial resources to help developing economies to meet their critical public health needs... It would also be of particular value to the United States and some of its key allies. By boosting [USD-denominated] demand for U.S. exports, a new allocation has the possibility of creating HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of new American jobs. ...
Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 19 2022 11:33 utc | 27
The unfriendly Europe is doing a cutting off your nose to spite your face...😏
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 11:34 utc | 28
Just yesterday i was 'researching' claims of high attrition rates (±10% losses) of Su-34 and Su-25 in the Russian Air Force. Southfront today reports of another Su 34 being shot down.
https://southfront.org/russian-su-34-shot-down-by-russian-air-defence-system-in-lpr/
Bellincat affiliated Oryx runs a database on Russian losses, so of course take it with an extra healthy dose of skepticism. Regardless, unlike Russia's MOD, they do use photos as supporting evidence, so those who have time, do judge for yourself before calling me a troll again please.
I work in media and have a trained eye for fakes, none stood out to me as such, though I did have reason to question 3 out of the 11 posted Su-34 pics since they could potentially have been duplicates of the same plane... didn't bother w the Su-25 maybe she keen barfly can try debunk some of them for us...
According to Oryx, 11 of 124 Su-34 and 17 of 192 Su-25 have been destroyed from Russia's total inventory. Apparently 24 more Su-34 are on order according to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_military_aircraft
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/03/list-of-aircraft-losses-during-2022.html
Why did i post this? Because i try to read all info available and draw my own conclusions. So when people make claims that Russia has 'all the time in the world' and is 'not worried' etc, remember that it just means they may have more time and they are hurting less, and it's not just NATO's weapons that are being destroyed, and so far, unlike Russia, NATO has lost no planes or ships.
This also gives me hope that Russia has an interest in reaching some peace agreement too, and we will come to a point where both parties recognise there is a growing lose-lose dynamic to the status quo. Hopefully before this winter.
Since this post will no doubt anger some of the pro Russian zealots, i may as well go all out and share this pro-Nato biased analysis video on the air war. Clearly not pro Russian, but leaving the echo chamber is good for everyone from time to time.
I thought it's worth watching as it does bring up some interesting points and insights into how the air conflict is being fought in Ukraine, and how some assumption held on both sides are being both debunked and worked around on the battlefield:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NZQMUclv5g
PS: I would be glad to see any posts linked of reputable journalists who took the time to debunk the Oryx database, i am not aware of any and do not have the time or patience to do it myself. cheers :)
Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 19 2022 11:35 utc | 29
IMF (1944 SDR capital): USD, GBP, EUR (FKA: DE, FR, NL 1995), JPY, RMB (2016)
progressives.house.gov | Letter in support of the IMF Debt Trap, 9 pp
Always. read. the footnotes.
Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 19 2022 11:36 utc | 30
@ostro:
The unfriendly Europe is cutting off its nose to spite your face...😎
Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 19 2022 11:42 utc | 31
Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 19 2022 11:42 utc | 31
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Whatever, Sam, whatever...😋
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 11:47 utc | 32
I work in media and have a trained eye for fakes...
Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 19 2022 11:35 utc | 29
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Tells something...😋
Posted by: ppp | Jul 19 2022 11:48 utc | 33
Actually an SEO - Special Economic Operation, is accelerating against the unfreindlies, especially against the European unfriendlies. Europe has to keep the homes warm this winter, one way or other. It also has to keep electricity going. To do so, Europe has to keep using stored gas, fuel and other energy sources, so by February next year, Europe may have to stop supplying the industry with energy, or decrease the supply to such a limit, Europe will start to fail. Already some European governments are failing/falling, BoJo getting kicked out, Draghi trying to step down, Macron cannot make a stable government, Scholtz coalition starting to wobble...SMO in the Ukraine will be over by about March next year...once the SEO in the unfriendlies gains...
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 11:50 utc | 34
Posted by: Sushi | Jul 19 2022 11:08 utc | 23
Replace 'separatists' with 'freedom fighters' and you're good to go ;-)
Posted by: Zet | Jul 19 2022 11:51 utc | 35
I like how Putin is messing with the U.S., the Zionist cabal and NATO with his one little trip to Iran where Erdo will also be present and Putin can have his way with the NATO black sheep and maybe sway him away from the Sweden and Finland corral.
Flexing some multi-polarity maybe? Just hope he's safe from all the Mossad/CIA spies lurking inside Iran.
Posted by: Circe | Jul 19 2022 12:02 utc | 36
Lies can reveal their guilty consience.
Russian army is struggling with morale against Ukraine, UK defence chief says - BBC News, July 18, 2022
President Putin is "unable to match the people to the equipment he has" as Russians avoid being called up to fight in Ukraine, the UK’s Chief of Defence Staff Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said.The Chief of the Defence Staff also said that Russia is committing “acts of terrorism” by targeting Ukrainian civilians.
Read:
Ukrainian army is struggling with morale against Russian, unconscious of UK defence chief says - BBC News, July 18, 2022
President Z-elensky is "unable to match the people to the equipment he has" as Ukrainians avoid being called up to fight in Ukraine, the unconscious of UK’s Chief of Defence Staff Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said.
Just look what they say about real or purported enemies and you 'll know their own sins. "Putin is corrupt", "Putin exports corruption". Well, it's Hunter Biden and EU official politics called as infrastructure projects. In Afghanistan they did not manage to offer locals any other ideology exept fully corrupt afghan goverment so they went back to taliban.
British media alsou told that Putin had romantic relationships with Alina Kabayeva, have a cancer and soon will die and that Minister of Defence Shoigu will organise coup. They could do more, say gay romantic relationships between Putin and Prince of Monako Albert like I once read in russian opposition site.
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An audio recording of a conversation between Biden & Petro Poroshenko in Nov 2016 reveals that Biden demanded Poroshenko to refuse the money offered by the future Trump administration and do everything possible to close PrivatBank so that the IMF could provide a loan to Ukraine.
This is interesting. PrivatBank ex owner was major sponsor of Zelensky.
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Nobody will care that Ukraine is a military dictatorship in the West or a defacto one with a civilian government keenly aware of what happens if they cross the military's 'red lines' or engage in 'treason'.
Military dictatorship now would be best the Ukraine could have. Most of generals are smart enought, at least. Say generals wanted to assasinate Hitler to save Germany from the complete destruction.
Peace agreement would be possible with a side which can implement it.
Now Ukraine have ochlocracy - mob rule and some of remaining oligarchy. Nazi mobs at first were employed buy oligarchs but now they lead politics. Oligarchs at least are afraid to lose their capitals.
Interesting question is, what language an ukrainian army is using. I guess, the same they are banning from an education.
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Yes, in epoch of social media and influencers with typical atention span of 10 seconds journalism is degradating. They need attracting title, nice pics and some text filling the space between images.
Posted by: Alef | Jul 19 2022 12:08 utc | 37
In the meantime,
EU agrees deal with Azerbaijan to double gas exports by 2027
Ah, well, VD Leyen's term ends in 2024...don't know, if the EU will be there then...😏
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 12:18 utc | 38
Or another example I've seen.
Story by AP
With additional comments by Joe Hack
Posted by: Jpc | Jul 19 2022 12:19 utc | 39
Sputnik News even has an India news section on their front page!
International edition. Ever notice how many editions Sputnik publishes? How many editions Guardian, NY Yella Cake, Bloomberg, DW, or Xinhau publish? Xinhua's front page gotta World/Asia & Pacific AND a World/Europe section.
Anyone else notice this Indiafication of RT and Sputnik News?!?
What a curious turn of phrase to wrap around so-called KREMLIN owned media. I had enjoyed, RT broadcast talk shows that integregated public intellectuals from ROW into westworld's international crisis mutual admiration society. Afshin Rattansi outta London is dependable droll. Did you know that people of the subcontinent publish tabloid and .gov news in multiple languages? I've had a few bookmarked for a while now, but not nearly long enough to form associations with partisan propaganda.
Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 19 2022 10:06 utc | 14
Has it yet occured to you, that tabloid Sputnik isn't um India-fied; your perception is. Could it be that maybe, just maybe, anglophone MSM discovered a space larger than gang rape feature stories in the "frame" of inscrutable THREATS to the rules-base order of G7 "tribal" territories which you no longer can ignore?
Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 19 2022 12:22 utc | 40
Maybe slightly off topic, but...
What the hell is Ukraine's Army structure?
The term "Commander" is always used, but what the heck is that?
A Major? A Captain? A General?
For any on the ground reporter, they should be saying: "Captain Jones of the 4th Infantry Battalion..."
"Master Sargent Smith of the 8th Tank Corps... "
and so on.
The apparent Ukraine boondoggle can be due to their flimsy command structure. NATO/OTAN trained indeed.
No real trained modern army has a lack of chain of command structure as Ukraine's.
To me, they more resemble Scott's tribesmen attacking Roman legions.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 19 2022 12:26 utc | 41
PS: I would be glad to see any posts linked of "reputable journalists"
Unless you have a time travel device this is NOT possible. NONE currently exist
Posted by: Screwdriver | Jul 19 2022 12:27 utc | 42
Posted by: Screwdriver | Jul 19 2022 12:27 utc | 42
John Pilger and Chris Hedges are still alive. Fisk and Parry are not. Not sure about Assange or Snowden.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 12:35 utc | 43
Financial Times, The New York Times, and The Washington Post have another editorial trick: modify the title of a piece of news, without much touch up in the content, which received waves of embarrassing outburst or unfriendly comment. In doing so, these media basically cut off the comment stream, and filed a portion of readers' response into an electronically equivalent "ignore cabinet".
These MNM also have another editorial trick: if a piece of news is too embarrassing to their shadowy sponsors, they will remove the availability of comment section. Many "zero, nada, zilch, nyet....." lately.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jul 19 2022 12:42 utc | 44
How do we read this story? It is a short note saying there was an assassination attempt. My first guess is nothing happened. It is a warning to Zelensky.
On such items all we do is guess.
Had another thought about the 651 bad boys in SBU and prosecutors office. The CIA is not happy with the help. SBU thugs who wish to continue on the CIA gravy train are prompted to come up with new and better thuggery to please their masters.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 19 2022 12:51 utc | 45
[email protected] didn't go well for the Romans, they built a wall to keep the Picts out.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2022 12:56 utc | 46
Dagens Nyheter (Sweden) has the headline: The Kremlin may have infiltrated the Ukrainian Security Service.
Referring to the recent purge. A great example of editorial prowess.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 13:00 utc | 47
Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 19 2022 11:35 utc | 29
"… Bellincat affiliated Oryx runs a database on Russian losses …
… I work in media and have a trained eye …"
… PS: I would be glad to see any posts linked of reputable journalists who took the time to debunk the Oryx database, i am not aware of any and do not have the time or patience to do it myself. cheers :) …
WHY the F*CK should we (or any "reputable journalist") waste our time checking data from ANYONE that is "Bellincat affiliated"?
Please say it loud and clear.
NOW.
Posted by: LongCovid | Jul 19 2022 13:03 utc | 48
Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 19 2022 11:35 utc | 29
Interesting source this, not least since much of what comes from Kiew (as we say) is blown out of all proportions.
I checked the Su-34SM stats given and while the author says that he only lists those where there is evidence, then has a couple of pics showing debris on the ground and falling from the sky. Might be a Su-34SM or some other (Sukhoi) fighter-jet (perhaps listed elsewhere as well). Just saying. Anyways, some work collecting all the sources on either side.
As for the incident regarding the Russian air defence shooting down their own Sukhoi, unintentionally, one would assume measures will be taken to prevent that. I have no doubts that on either side of the conflict, dozens of soldiers will have been killed by their own sides, being accidentally shot/RPGed/mortared in heat-of and house combat, at night etc.
Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jul 19 2022 13:05 utc | 49
You people never hear of reduce, reuse and recycle? For myself I’ve stopped reading newspapers or watching TV news. I think it’s been playing on a loop for years. Every time I accidentally tune in there is seemingly a Tory leadership election. And while the Dems in the US might have “found” 20M votes for Biden in 2020 didn’t they do more or less the same for JFK in 1960? Of course Biden wouldn’t have “won” had not 60M Americans decided to vote for a senile man all on their ownios. Which kind of goes to show how much power they thought resided in the office.
Posted by: MargarettaT | Jul 19 2022 13:17 utc | 50
The sole purpose of regimist Media is to tell the apparatchiks what is the current party line. That’s it.
Regimist Media is a time waster. Just scan a few headlines is enough to determine the party line.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 19 2022 13:19 utc | 51
No more "ran out of tanks"? No more "ran out of missiles"?
Of course not. CNN reactivated the Ghost of Kiev and trolls (read online idiots) moved to airplanes.
I told you how the daily email with daily news works and where it comes from: Bojostan
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 13:22 utc | 52
LOL copium
Russia ain't losing
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-says-losing-because-ukraine-104546288.html
Posted by: HandsomeMan | Jul 19 2022 13:27 utc | 53
NYT is sometimes useful as a reliable marker of who is getting the money shoveled their way in domestic elections.
International section is overloaded with propaganda, practically useless as a factual resource. And increasingly shabby in the construction of the propaganda itself. They've been coasting on their name brand for too long.
For those who absolutely must know the sentiments in the imperial command center, ever since the internet age, there are better options - eg most leading papers of 2nd tier imperial countries are more informative and more readable.
Posted by: ptb | Jul 19 2022 13:57 utc | 54
Himars are actually bullshit, if it can only make just a hole in a concrete slab...😋
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 14:01 utc | 55
When reality is too painful to stomach it's OK to invent something more palatable no matter how delusional.
Posted by: WTFUD | Jul 19 2022 14:11 utc | 56
Anyone got a take in this story?
US Signals Ukraine It Can Use HIMARS Against Russian Targets In Crimea
Posted by: Jpc | Jul 19 2022 14:23 utc | 57
Posted by: Jpc | Jul 19 2022 14:23 utc | 57
From Antiwar.com site:
The best commentary on the possible strike on Crimea comes from Jacob Dreizin
Dreizin says that would start WWIII
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 14:27 utc | 58
From WELT:
Die Bundesregierung hinterlegt am Mittwoch in Washington die Urkunden zur Ratifizierung des Nato-Beitritts von Finnland und Schweden. Wie Außenstaatsminister Tobias Lindner (Grüne) am Dienstag mitteile, wird er die Annahmeurkunden bei einem Besuch in den Vereinigten Staaten „im Auftrag der Bundesregierung beim Depositarstaat USA persönlich hinterlegen“.
It roughly says: "Here my master, the good doggy Germany is bringing you the documents ratifying the extension of NATO. Please accept our obedience. We are a good doggy and submit to our lord, the high master of the USA. Can we please have a pat on our back? Pretty please?"
Posted by: Zet | Jul 19 2022 14:33 utc | 59
Today a Swedish volunteer is reported
KIA, in Donetsk. He was 30 yrs, former lieutenant in the airforce,
of the Uppsala wing. Ö
Posted by: A. | Jul 19 2022 14:35 utc | 60
International section is overloaded with propaganda, practically useless as a factual resource.
Posted by: ptb | Jul 19 2022 13:57 utc | 54
That plus it's simply a source for other "journalists" around the globe to get the current authoritative narrative to then spread that in their countries...
Posted by: Zet | Jul 19 2022 14:38 utc | 61
@Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 14:27 utc | 58
No weapon is sent to be put in a museum. Since first lethal weapons were sent by Trump, they were used to kill Russians. Strikes in Crimea already happened and will continue.
The question is why Russia is so passive. They were sleeping in 2014, fine, let's call it surprise. We're in 2022, months after the first strike over the border and many others since then and I don't see anything yet. "We'll strike decision centers" bla bla nothing.
A strike in Belgorod or Crimea, what's the difference? What would be interesting is a different question: would it be ok for US if an NPP is hit with himars? After all, it's Ukraine isn't it?
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 14:42 utc | 62
@A. | Jul 19 2022 14:35 utc | 60
Former lieutenant at 30yo?
No coincidence Lavrov said a few days ago nato has boots on the ground in Ukr.
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 14:45 utc | 63
@55
yes, I would've expected more from a 220mm rocket. Is it a first stage of a 2 stage shaped charge? In any case, not bridge busting stuff.
Posted by: ptb | Jul 19 2022 14:45 utc | 64
Belgorod is different because the US recognizes it as Russian territory while Crimea is still Ukraine territory in its eyes, so Ukraine could hit it.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 14:45 utc | 65
old hippie @ 45
Can’t find anything from a reputable source.
Explains the purge
Breaking News 24/7
@Worldsource24
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🚨#BREAKING: An assassination attempt on #Zelensky was prevented two days ago, Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Presidential Administration of #Ukraine, said just now.
Posted by: Down South | Jul 19 2022 14:54 utc | 66
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 14:45 utc | 65
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Oh, I'd like to see them doing it, and...getting really hammered for that...Maybe a shot on NY is on the table...|?
Posted by: ppp | Jul 19 2022 14:55 utc | 67
Posted by: Down South | Jul 19 2022 14:54 utc | 66
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This "news" had been around for while...
Who wants him dead? He is kept alive for the tribunal...
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 14:56 utc | 68
New administration
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Sincerely,
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Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 19 2022 14:58 utc | 69
@ Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 14:45 utc | 65
That is from US perspective.
For Russia both Crimea and Belgorod are Russian and they don't seem to care anyway. Belgorod multiple times, Crimea multiple times, Kursk region is often hit too if I remember correctly. Any of the Ukr leaders was punished in any way? Any decision center hit? Zero.
You can bet they'll use himars and anything else they will receive from nato on ALL Ukr and ALL Russia they can reach. and nato will send more, just for fun. And they can do that because the puppet government and all the other puppets are perfectly safe in Ukr. Anyone who thinks Russia can stop at Donbass border is completely stupid. They'll have to close the borders to Romania, Poland and Moldova and no civilian airplane will fly over Ukr for many years, until they find the nato manpads.
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 15:06 utc | 70
EU once wanted to build Nabucco Pipeline to carry a gas from Azerbaijan. It eventualy failed becouse of "magical influence of Russia" or more likely none profiting from it.
Considering UK is lead in this destructive politics it is suprising Russia so far had not used celtic nationalism. There is a lot of genocidal history like highland clearances and irish famine.
Nato instructors had teached Ukraine to use terrorist tactics like living shields. None wants to be used as a shield for rockets. This should had increased Putins popularity on the ground. SBU is filled with potential suporters of Putin becouse ukrainian regime is ugly and out of the touch with reality. Their ideology could fit only for Galicia.
Posted by: Alef | Jul 19 2022 15:10 utc | 71
The thing about fame and myth, i.e. Zelinsky’s current situation, is the fall is often big and the people revel in turning. The story is as old as Jesus Christ and plays out far more superficially today in one celebrity downfall after another where people enjoy watching the spectacle. Saying it isn’t possible to publicly bring him down is shortsighted. It’d be very easy to raise anger against him making him the fall guy who disappoints everyone by not being what they believed.
Posted by: GS | Jul 19 2022 15:11 utc | 72
Savonarola for example went from hero to zero and then execution pretty quickly.
Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 19 2022 15:15 utc | 73
Down South @ 66
Reputable sources not needed to deliver the message.
We are watching shadows on a wall. Detailed analysis not possible. General symptoms of collapse.
The Zelensky regime is based on the production crew of the Servant of the People TV show. Everything is for show. The production crew is partnered with US intelligence, which has always been better at info ops than intelligence. This show will not be cancelled soon.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 19 2022 15:16 utc | 74
"Exactly, no matter how many times "British intelligence" gets it wrong... "
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 9:30 utc | 11
No no no no, Jonathan! Intelligence never ever ever 'gets it wrong' rather they always tell you exactly what they want you to think!
Similarly, many think various administrations are doing a terrible job right now but actually they are achieving their goals admirably: collapsing western polities so they can Build Back Better.
Maybe a shot on NY is on the table...|?
Posted by: ppp | Jul 19 2022 14:55 utc | 67
As Shoigu said: "ON ANY HIMARS THERE IS A POSEIDON."
Google for "Poseidon Belgorod submarine" and you will understand. Maybe a nuclear tsunami for NY?
Posted by: Zet | Jul 19 2022 15:18 utc | 76
@Et Tu, yes, Oryx is excellent. They did a superb job documenting the Nagorno-Karabakh war and their Ukraine invasion lists are transparent - only losses counted where there is visual evidence which they make available. A lot of people have challenged them (mostly pro-Russian accounts claiming they're missing lots of Ukrainian losses) and it hasn't gone well for them. Always fun to watch Oryx point out that 5 BMPs they "missed" are actually the same vehicle from different angles/dates.
However, they are not affiliated in any way with the also-excellent Bellingcat
Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 19 2022 15:21 utc | 77
Do you remember about 10 years ago, in Syria, a mountain in northern Latakia that was occupied by SnackBars who the SAA simply could not dislodge from the fortified caves and entrenched positions?
Them Rooskies sent in 6 rather small armored and armed robot tracked vehicles, each with its own artificial intelligence and all linked for an overarching comprehensive identification of the enemy positions and activities.
The 6 AI robots were tasked with killing every combatant they encountered. When the robots were withdrawn and the SAA went in, the SAA found 214 Turkman SnackBar troops the robots liquidated, with no robot or SAA losses.
Posted by: Carl | Jul 19 2022 15:22 utc | 78
Himars are actually bullshit, if it can only make just a hole in a concrete slab...😋Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 14:01 utc | 55
I assume you are talking about this.
https://t.me/intelslava/33432
It is obvious from the video that the explosive part of the warhead did not detonate, no?
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 19 2022 15:22 utc | 79
This week there will be an Academic Forum in Beijing on ‘Civilizations Amid Profound Changes’. It is organized by the world‘s largest academy for the social sciences: The Chinese Academy of Social Science or CASS.You have never heard of it. You can never find it on Google, in the Western media, or wherever you think information should be available to you – it is not.
The West, and I mean the terror states of America and Europe, are the most censorious and domineering parties on earth. They make sure you will never hear or read anything Russian, anything Indian, anything Chinese [with the exception of pro-Western dissidents, of course].
The Forum is just one of many thousands of such top-tier gatherings the West cannot ever report on because if the slave people in the West knew about how far China is ahead of them, we would see regime changes in Washington, London, Paris, Berlin and Brussels. Western people are now caged people. They are the last world people, denied reality. In fact, they are now outside of humanity.
Read on, Thorsten J. Pattberg for the Saker Blog
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 15:29 utc | 80
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 19 2022 15:16 utc | 74
I think the Build Back Better is a hoax in the sense that there is no "back" - let alone "better". What we see happening especially in Europe is just a trans- and supranational CORPORATE RAID, getting an economy by the balls and then dismantling it to squeeze a few bucks in the process. Now the IMF wants Europe to pool the LNG resources to save Eastern Europe and Italy from energy shortage.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 15:33 utc | 81
On December 8, 2014, Wayne Madsen referred to Ukraine as "the second Israel." Considering that the 'west's' Crusaders wouldn't dream of doing anything to offend "Israel" it's food for contemplation.
On May 2, 2022, FM Lavrov reminded the world of some folklore concerning Hitler's Jewish bloodline. 3 days later, Nakbali Bennet said that VV Putin had phoned him to apologise for Lavrov's "controversial remarks".
According to Melbourne's Age newspaper on May 7, Russia's statement on the subject made no mention of an apology.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 19 2022 15:33 utc | 82
Gonzalo Lira hosts Round Table nr 2 in a few minutes. George Szamuely etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz00YsG37bE
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 15:40 utc | 83
By the way, if there's ever going to be a US war against China, majority of the Asians would side with China, even India...China is the pride of Asia!
Posted by: ostro | Jul 19 2022 15:45 utc | 84
funny how zel walked back the firings as "suspensions" but then replaced at least one of them immediately after. probably just a case of an actor being aware of "optics" while playing to a certain audience. as for a possible coup, if the amount of "treason" is even halfway realistic i wouldn't be surprised. then again, it's not like he's actually running things and the guys who "would hang him from a lamp post" could be the supposed plotters which would change very little. it would also stop the already tentative money printing from the west that's been dropping straight into offshore banks waiting for the next "panama papers" to reveal what a scam it always was.
as for the times, most western "reporting" as of late is wire service copy and paste. at least this person nicked their own work.
Posted by: the pair | Jul 19 2022 15:46 utc | 85
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 15:40 utc | 82
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A waste of time...😏
Posted by: ppp | Jul 19 2022 15:46 utc | 86
@Jonathan W | Jul 19 2022 15:40 utc | 82
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What is Lira's game? Why hasn't he been purged yet?
Posted by: too scents | Jul 19 2022 15:52 utc | 87
"There is some real news about the Ukraine, not exactly new but still news. But it is not the stuff the NYT would like you to know about.
'Maria Dubovikova @politblogme - 20:02 UTC · Jul 18, 2022
An audio recording of a conversation between Biden & Petro Poroshenko in Nov 2016 reveals that Biden demanded Poroshenko to refuse the money offered by
the future Trump administration and do everything possible to close PrivatBank so that the IMF could provide a loan to Ukraine.
All of that was presented by Biden as a needed step for the sake of economic security and "physical security", apparently of Poroshenko himself. So Biden
had been threatening Poroshenko.
[video]
The Biden family business in the Ukraine is really something some of the larger mainstream media, not just Trump affiliates, should have been digging into. It is remarkable how their ideological blinders keep them away from doing that.
By the way: Today, July 19 2022, the word 'Trump' appears nine times on the current NYT front page, 'Ukraine' appears five times."
The dialogue written out in the video does not strongly support the interpretation given by Dubovikoa even on the face of it. In time of war (against the Russian-speakers of Donbas) the economic collapse of Ukraine does threaten the physical security of both fascist Ukraine and its president. If one remembers Poroshenko was the pro-war president; Zelensky annihilated him politically by running as the peace candidate; PrivatBank was Ihor Kolomoyskiy, the primary backer of Zelensky because he is apparently a great enemy of Poroshenko; most importantly, the IMF loan was all about keeping Ukraine afloat so that it could continue the war against the Russian-speakers in the Donbas. The best interpretation is that Biden didn't want Trump to balk at funding the war (remember, people still took seriously some of the gestures towards peaceful coexistence Trump made in the campaign.) Dubovikova's interpretation is forced because there's no reason to think a lame duck VP who doesn't control the IMF can pose a threat to the Ukrainian economy or the war effort against Russians, much less the personal security of Poroshenko.
The OAN interpretation isn't quite as forced, but it is still weak. OAN's insinuation this is some sort of smoking gun is hype at best, but more likely conscious fraud. OAN is even worse than Fox for shameless lying. Trump, who had openly asked Russia to spy on Clinton during the campaign, was widely feared to be pro-Russian, threatening the campaign against Russia. Trump was of course lying but people were still fool enough to pay attention to what he said. The singular "detail" Biden mentioned was the need to support the fascist war effort. OAN changes this to plural "details" of all dealings with Ukraine, official and unofficial. The OAN interpretation is also weak because it is entirely unclear how Biden could even profit personally from the IMF loan or from the fascist war in general. Moreover it is entirely unclear that Biden couldn't just walk away with any ill-gotten gains, callously abandoning Poroshenko/fascist Ukraine to their just desserts. The IMF never forced Ukraine to shrivel up the way it treated practically every other country in its grips. That's because the IMF was indirectly funding the war. It is very common for rabid partisans to spout nonsense about treason, treason, treason. The Republicans have done this to Clinton for decades. It's one of their long dishonorable traditions since their Joe McCarthy salad days.
The whole tweet repeats that intellectual giant of conservatism, Marjorie Taylor Greene, scouring that traitor Fauci with his Covid conspiracy. I have no idea why our host esteems Dubovikova after seeing what company she keeps.
The claim that ideological blinders, meaning in context political partisanship, kept the rest of the MSM from digging into the Biden family business is misleading. The media almost never investigates wealth, Republican or Democratic. The NYT could have written article after article during the presidential election campaign savaging Trump with genuine evidence of corrupt business dealings, including outright criminality. All the media revere money, being owned by money and never bite the hand that feeds them. They have to be directed by one hand that feeds them personally against another hand that doesn't. That's why Trump affiliates "investigate" idiocy like email servers or Benghazi, even as the usual loons and suckups whine about treason. There is one real obstacle to investigation of corruption, which is, the laws are written to make so much of it legal that it is a legal morass. Conservatives will always suddenly discover some letter of the law or well-planned loophole and seize upon it, then their MSM feign outrage at the vile campaign by their opponents' MSM, which is always labeled "Goliath" to their wingnuts' "David." There is a general conservative principle that double standards are morally superior to no standards at all (which is what they accuse their targets of.) No one serious need take that seriously.
The conclusion, the whole point of this absurd digression into imaginary "real" news was that Trump is somehow a target. The insinuation is that the NYT is campaigning against Trump. Trump being in the news coverage when the Select Committee is sitting on Trump's attempted coup is on the contrary perfectly natural. The whole notion Trump is the target of all the MSM never dies, no matter how silly it is. Remember how long it took for them to admit Trump lies like other men breathe? Biden is the one who suffers from a universal campaign. It started with the withdrawal from Afghanistan and it continues, especially with the moronic assertion that Biden is somehow responsible for worldwide inflation.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 19 2022 15:53 utc | 88
@Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 19 2022 15:33 utc | 81
Not folklore. A very public 2010 DNA study. You can say it's not a good study, I have no idea. Google shows results even today, search.
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 15:54 utc | 89
Oryx claimed that Ukraine, some few months ago, had a *greater* number of armored vehicles than they started the war with because of Russian logistics breakdowns in the first phase of the war.
"OSINT" is a psychological operation being actively carried out by the State Department and US/NATO vassal intelligence agencies. Here and there, you'll get some real news, but for the most part, it's war propaganda for Western audiences.
Posted by: fnord | Jul 19 2022 16:01 utc | 90
Note that "Oksana", the presumed former lawyer turned soldier in the NY Times piece, was also featured in a CBC story from late May. In that earlier story, the volunteer unit she belonged to was attributed to OUN.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukrainian-nationalists-izyum-1.6463544
Posted by: jayc | Jul 19 2022 16:11 utc | 91
The NYT is not alone when it comes to tripping itself up.
The BBC in particular is all over the place when it comes to taking a consistent line. Early May it had this to say about Azov - it's NOT neo-nazi:-
"Instead of celebrating the overthrow of Ukraine's government, the Kremlin will have to settle for the capture of most of Mariupol. The city may lie in ruins, but Russia has repeatedly talked of "de-Nazification and demilitarisation" of Ukraine and it may claim defeat of the Azov battalion, which it has falsely portrayed as Nazi. That would resonate on a day marking World War Two."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61332283
Yet the BBC has access to information from sites it uses regularly such as Bellingcat that put out material confirming Azov is neo-nazi:-
With that wealth of information on the Ukrainian neo-nazis from a co-funded source the BBC uses regularly, there is no excuse for stating that it is false to portray Azov as neo-nazi.
Sometimes it looks to me as if the BBC keeps its files in even worse order than the NYT. Sloppy information warriors the lot of them.
Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 19 2022 16:11 utc | 92
@fnord, I think you are failing to understand what Oryx does. His team documents losses for which visual confirmation exists. It will be an undercount by definition vis-a-vis actual losses because not all are photographed (e.g. a vehicle destroyed behind the front lines without being filmed by a drone). That kind of loss might get discovered later as one side advances, but neither side is terribly motivated to document their own losses. That's why his list of Russian losses rose very quickly when Ukraine forced Russia to retreat in the north and regained lots of territory with Russian materiel left behind.
If you think Oryx missed a bunch of documented Ukrainian losses or wrongly categorized vehicles as captured by Ukraine, he welcomes submissions and you can call him out on twitter, where he's active. Many have tried!
Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 19 2022 16:19 utc | 93
@yenwoda #76
Excellent for whom? After the Syrian experience (deliberate lying, as opposed to erroneously: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus), I won't touch anything which has the slightest connection to Bellingcrap. The ordinary "I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself" is way too mild for what they do. Joseph Goebbels comes closer: ...a lie (this it has in common with a joke) is all the more effective, the more truth it contains.
Posted by: OttoE | Jul 19 2022 16:21 utc | 94
@too scents | Jul 19 2022 15:52 utc | 86
What is Lira's game? Why hasn't he been purged yet?
What is your specific complaint? Why have you not been purged yet? Are your words worth two cents?
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2022 16:22 utc | 95
What is your specific complaint?
Norwegian | Jul 19 2022 16:22 utc | 94
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Lira grifted Steve Keen ==> https://twitter.com/profstevekeen/status/391413409624764416?lang=en
Lira is not transparent about his relationship with the SBU.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 19 2022 16:29 utc | 96
thanks b...
i think many people today don't trust the msm to tell them the truth or anything resembling it... the nyt front line was the lead up to the war on iraq some time ago.. their credibility has been shot thru with holes a long time ago..
zelenksy assassination attempts? my prediction is a big change beginning of august.. we are still on track here...
ignore et tu and yenwoda - the tag team for disinfo bullshit...
bellingcrap, wikipedia and now bellingcrap affiliated 'oryx' run by a couple of stooges - joost oliemans and stijn mitzer... all uk, or usa paid for by the gov't manufactured 100 % bullshit...
Posted by: james | Jul 19 2022 16:31 utc | 97
Sometimes it looks to me as if the BBC keeps its files in even worse order than the NYT. Sloppy information warriors the lot of them. Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 19 2022 16:11 utc | 91
Not sloppy, the MI-6 narrative has changed ;-)
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 19 2022 16:35 utc | 98
"When You Lack Real News Just Rewrite Yesterday's Story"
And when you have access to real (first-hand) news, make sure it is up-to-date before it hits the air.
I will tell a story. March 1999. Bombing of Yugoslavia begins. The young Polish television TVN sent a team to Serbia with a broadcast car etc. Live coverage of the bombing was to be a magnet for the audience. Unfortunately, the team got into a fight with the locals right after crossing the border and had to return to Hungary, only one member of the team, without a car, with only a mobile phone, went - first to Belgrade, then to Kosovo and ended his trip in Macedonia. Let's call him TS. Each evening during the main news release, after reading the top news, Studio called TS on the phone and TS shared their impressions live. Unfortunately, they were often inconsistent with what was just broadcast in the most important news, and sometimes supplemented or illustrated the most important news. These accounts were certainly very interesting. When journalists from the studio reported that "Today NATO bombed telecommunications centers," TS replied, "Some fucking rocket blew up my phone booth outside the hotel. I'm running away from here ”(it was in Kosovo). Journalists in the studio made faces and rolled their eyes at the news, but the show continued.
The strangest thing happened one day when the news of the day was this (confirmed by all the world's leading news agencies): Serbian commandos had murdered Ibrahim Rugova, the leader of the local Albanian community. Studio "And now we are connecting with our correspondent, TS - what's new? Where were you, we couldn't contact you!" TS: "Just got back from a press conference with Ibrahim Rugowa ..." Studio: "But they murdered him last night !!" TS: He doesn't know anything about it. I spoke to him 10 minutes ago… ”. Studio (in a calm voice, no nasty nervous tics): "Thank you TS, and now we repeat the most important news: as reported by all news agencies in the world - Serbian commandos murdered Ibrahim Rugova, the leader of the local Albanian community, during the night."
PS. After another similar performance by TS, this time in Macedonia, the team from Studio was dismissed, TS disappeared from the antenna for 5 years, TVN signed a very favorable contract with one of the world's broadcasters.
(Translated from the Polish language by Google)
Posted by: tRI | Jul 19 2022 16:48 utc | 99
@ tRI | Jul 19 2022 16:48 utc | 99
good story to summarize the situation here.. thanks!
Posted by: james | Jul 19 2022 16:53 utc | 100
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"A 'new' rewrite published under the same headline a day after the original story went up? Why?"
All the stories from MSM, online and TV, are sent by email. Someone from whatever agency diversity hire simply has sent the same story twice by mistake. No one noticed because they're dumb and they can't refuse to publish the email anyway.
This is why all TV stations in Western media show the same videos with the same text. The staged photos with tanks, the Arma 3 videos, the Syria videos presented as Ukr and so on. They all repeat what Ukr "says", which isn't what Ukr says, it's what the email said. Ukr receives the same email to know what they've "said"
This isn't new. I've been seeing this for many years in EU. All MSM receives the story and they publish it or talk about it on TV exactly in the same way. In talkshows there are fake guests, always invited by all TV stations, regardless of the topic and they change the subject or attack the real guests if they go against the daily email.
Posted by: rk | Jul 19 2022 8:30 utc | 1