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July 26, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-115
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The current open thread for other issues is here.
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The price of gas in Europe exceeded 1950 dollars per 1000 cubic meters. Posted by: price gas rope | Jul 26 2022 8:11 utc | 1 Posted by: price gas rope | Jul 26 2022 8:11 utc | 1 Posted by: Jpc | Jul 26 2022 8:36 utc | 2 I’m hearing no word of anyone being secondarily sanctioned for breaking sanctions on Russia. Might it be that by cutting Russia off from SWIFT that the 5 Eyes have blinded themselves? Or maybe you clever people have alternative explanation? Posted by: Jimmy Durante | Jul 26 2022 8:57 utc | 4 Re: natgas Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 9:01 utc | 5 @ptb | Jul 26 2022 9:01 utc | 5 Posted by: too scents | Jul 26 2022 9:21 utc | 7 Nord Stream 2 saves little old ladies and single mothers from choosing freezing versus starving. Posted by: Exile | Jul 26 2022 9:32 utc | 8 No modern economy can function with these energy prices, the only question left seems to be if it’s just because of incompetence or a controlled demolition of the world economy. Many indications point towards the latter. Posted by: Lurker | Jul 26 2022 9:40 utc | 9 Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 9:01 utc | 5
MANY years ago I warned of the concept of “economies of scale” only being seen in ONE direction- increasing/positive, and that there can also be a decreasing/negative “economies of scale.” We’re now going to see what it means to reverse “economies of scale.” “Affordability” will be an ever-increasingly used word (in a less positive way)… Posted by: Seer | Jul 26 2022 9:41 utc | 10 Over 40 mercenaries destroyed in DPR at their deployment point, mostly Poles Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2022 9:53 utc | 11 Posted by: price gas rope | Jul 26 2022 8:11 utc | 1 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 26 2022 9:53 utc | 12 In the maintenance contract with Siemens there’s something like 8 repairs/reconditionings. This contract is good until (or through?) 2024. Might be that Gazprom wants to get work done early in case this contact collapses. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 26 2022 9:57 utc | 13 http://rwgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/SGT-A35-Industrial-RB211.pdf Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 26 2022 10:00 utc | 14 Habeck has a keen understanding of industry.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 26 2022 10:03 utc | 16 Posted by: price gas rope | Jul 26 2022 8:11
All emphasized and []-ed text is mine. Posted by: LongCovid | Jul 26 2022 10:08 utc | 17 re: NS1 reduction from 40% to 20% Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 10:11 utc | 18 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (26072022) Posted by: Summary26072022 | Jul 26 2022 10:17 utc | 20 When conservative business analytics start to hail left-wing valkyrie Sahra Wagenknecht, you know something stinks in the state of Germany. Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jul 26 2022 10:20 utc | 21 Two Scents – 16 Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jul 26 2022 10:26 utc | 22 How is it possible that the collective West is not afraid of nuclear war and the consequences of this confrontation? Posted by: Martio | Jul 26 2022 10:27 utc | 23 EU Officials and their think tanks said that there are no technical issues for the Russians to cut their supply on Nordstream1. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 26 2022 10:39 utc | 24 If you want to have fun go to a retarted propaganda site for trump called gatewaypundit and read the article about NS1. They’re praising trump for sanctioning NS2 and claim he was right to block Russian gas for EU because “Putin is bad and turns the gas off” Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2022 10:40 utc | 25 Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 10:11 utc | 18 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 26 2022 11:05 utc | 26 Acco Hengst | Jul 26 2022 10:39 utc | 24
Indeed, but there are some damn serious political issues, like trying to devastate Russia’s economy, cause regime change, and militarily attacking them practically directly causing thousands of Russian dead. At this point of overarching nonsense I have no idea who Natostan is talking to anymore, I think the propaganda machine is on auto-pilot. Which is a good thing the propaganda will loose all relevance soon. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 26 2022 11:12 utc | 27 Question: Mr President, a serious energy crisis is developing in Europe, which is discussing the possibility of Gazprom cutting off gas deliveries. The company has allegedly issued an official notification to one of its German clients, citing force majeure circumstances. Posted by: gas talk | Jul 26 2022 11:19 utc | 28 Isis, Taliban tactics on the Ukie side. Equally assisted by US/Western “invisible hand”. Posted by: PetrOldSack | Jul 26 2022 11:37 utc | 29 https://tass.com/politics/1484693 Posted by: MD | Jul 26 2022 11:40 utc | 30
Posted by: Martio | Jul 26 2022 10:27 utc | 23 Posted by: Down South | Jul 26 2022 11:43 utc | 31 Posted by: Seer | Jul 26 2022 9:41 utc | 10 Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 26 2022 11:47 utc | 32 If you want to have fun go to a retarted propaganda site for trump called gatewaypundit and read the article about NS1. They’re praising trump for sanctioning NS2 and claim he was right to block Russian gas for EU because “Putin is bad and turns the gas off” Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 26 2022 11:53 utc | 33 The people pushing this confrontation think they will escape the destruction caused by war including nuclear war should it get to that stage. They’ve already built their nuclear bunkers in Patagonia, New Zealand, Raven Rock etc. Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 26 2022 11:58 utc | 34 EU shouted it’d stop import of Russian natural gas and fuel by 2023. So, why cry now? It is now 20% to Germany, none to Poland, Bulgaria etc. Why should Russia wait till the end of 2022? Is there a single reason to support the old Europe, full of old colonial robbers? There are enough countries in the Global South that will be advanced and rich, if not already. Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 12:07 utc | 35 It seems crazy that a German compressor goes to Canada for refurbishment, even if it is a Siemen’s plant. Sounds as though this route was designed for industrial sabotage. Posted by: Ric G | Jul 26 2022 12:12 utc | 36 A Trump Tower built in Moscow and one less Jewish Ukrainian listening to Trump phone calls would have the world on a different path right now. Posted by: mi | Jul 26 2022 12:26 utc | 37 Anyone want to understand the technical aspects of the turbine-compressor repairs on NS1 should close read all of Paul Greenwoods comments. Posted by: Exile | Jul 26 2022 12:26 utc | 38 From the other thread – on the compressor: Posted by: Goingo | Jul 26 2022 12:49 utc | 39 Could it be that there is a plan behind the seemingly senseless act of economic suicide Europe is committing, first and foremost Germany? A plan by the American Empire along these lines: Posted by: aquileia | Jul 26 2022 13:03 utc | 40 The desired 15% reduction in gas use for home and water heating in Europe should not be difficult to achieve. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 26 2022 13:14 utc | 41 aquileia | Jul 26 2022 13:03 utc | 40 Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2022 13:27 utc | 42 Opport Knocks | Jul 26 2022 13:14 utc | 41 Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2022 13:41 utc | 43 @opportknocks Posted by: Orgel | Jul 26 2022 13:44 utc | 44 @Opport Knocks | Jul 26 2022 13:14 utc | 41 Posted by: too scents | Jul 26 2022 13:54 utc | 45 The lemmings pushing each other out of the way to get over the cliff edge. Posted by: Jpc | Jul 26 2022 13:54 utc | 46 @26 Paul Greenwood Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 13:56 utc | 47 Depression Era grandparents heating levels in house Posted by: Exile | Jul 26 2022 13:59 utc | 48 So the Germans actually keep their homes/apartments at a constant 22 degrees year round as some of you claim? A few months back I read a post from a Swiss guy who complained that he didn’t like going to Germany as their homes were uncomfortably cold in winter. If that is true then they have less room to lower the temperature before it gets miserably cold. Posted by: Neal | Jul 26 2022 14:02 utc | 49 With the news of EU “15%” demand reduction program, further price increase on TTF. Now not just a minor increase any longer. Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 14:13 utc | 50 Not all approved 15%, some agreed to a 7% reduction. I doubt they’ll actually do it and I don’t think there is a way to legally force EU members to shut down their factories “because Putin bad ” Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2022 14:15 utc | 51 There are direct health consequences to unheated homes. Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 26 2022 14:41 utc | 52 After so many years of having a comfortable life using cheap energy sources from Russia, now the EU has to ready to reduce that comfort, due to their own Russo-hate. Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 14:43 utc | 53
I am long retired and grew up in homes with coal or wood heating. Waking up in a house that was less than 10C was not uncommon. Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 26 2022 14:48 utc | 54 @ptb #6. In the EU…winter 22/23 Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 15:05 utc | 56 @oldhippie #52 Posted by: OttoE | Jul 26 2022 15:16 utc | 57 Russian Gas Routes to EU Posted by: Lapin | Jul 26 2022 15:17 utc | 58 There may be no heat and no power all winter long, but at least people in the West can choose a different gender which is something Russians can’t do. Posted by: aquileia | Jul 26 2022 15:20 utc | 59 Posted by: aquileia | Jul 26 2022 15:20 utc | 59 Posted by: GenderBenderBoris | Jul 26 2022 15:27 utc | 60 Re: Hot water bottles
In the 1930s they also had shared bodily warmth. In today’s individualistic society, it seldom exists. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 26 2022 15:30 utc | 61 Hungary does not support the EU agreement on the reduction of gas consumption — AFP Posted by: rk | Jul 26 2022 15:31 utc | 62 And what is the plan for the Kiev regime to heat the homes in the winter? I don’t think ‘reverse flow’ is practical anymore. Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 26 2022 15:32 utc | 63 but at least people in the West can choose a different gender which is something Russians can’t do. Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 15:37 utc | 65 Zelensky might head for Miami or an even warmer place further down? Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 15:39 utc | 66 Putin, Fortum, Uniper and more big lies from MSM
There are also gas pipelines to the Baltics and Finland that are now unused. I wrote this elsewhere a few days ago, in response to an article in the British The Telegraph.
This is a BIG LIE from Big Lie Media. Russia has not used its “gas weapon”, even though this lie is repeated over and over again in Western media. Russia even denies it has a “gas weapon”, or that it ever intends to use supply of fuel as a weapon against Europe.
The Finnish company Fortum is state-own. It also owns Finland’s two Soviet-built (and extremely reliable) nuclear reactors, and had invested billions in the Russian energy market. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 26 2022 15:43 utc | 67 12 degrees C in the bedrooms ? Posted by: Exile | Jul 26 2022 15:45 utc | 68 Comment \ 16 by too scents . The Germans must understand the ” Pareto Principle ” . 80 % of a business turnover comes from 20% of the customers . It is also called the 80/20 rule . Cut off 20 % of your gas supply and crash 80% of your industry . Genius at work . 🙂 . First time post . Posted by: hole in head | Jul 26 2022 15:54 utc | 69 The waste heat from a glass factory would be sufficient to keep a small village warm, if you started the project 5 years ago. Posted by: too scents | Jul 26 2022 15:54 utc | 70 @63 “And what is the plan for the Kiev regime to heat the homes in the winter?” Posted by: dh | Jul 26 2022 15:58 utc | 71 @55 Scorpion Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 16:02 utc | 72 Petri Krohn | Jul 26 2022 15:43 utc | 67 Posted by: Lapin | Jul 26 2022 16:04 utc | 73 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 26 2022 14:41 utc | 52 @63 “And what is the plan for the Kiev regime to heat the homes in the winter?” Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 26 2022 16:07 utc | 75 In response to Ric G@36, Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 26 2022 16:16 utc | 76 Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 16:02 utc | 72 Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 26 2022 16:18 utc | 77 Interesting how the old Germans knew to keep the bedroom cooler than the living rooms, though quite likely it was simply because the kachelofen was downstairs and the bedrooms upstairs and even with floor vents it just wasn’t as warm upstairs as downstairs. Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 26 2022 16:18 utc | 78 @opportknox Posted by: Orgel | Jul 26 2022 16:24 utc | 79 Re: Siemens turbines Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 26 2022 16:26 utc | 80 I believe that I see the the rationale in Bojo’s odd behavior leading up to political demise. Posted by: jared | Jul 26 2022 16:30 utc | 81 paul greenwood…. thanks for your commentary… Posted by: james | Jul 26 2022 16:37 utc | 82 Scorpion @ 74 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 26 2022 16:53 utc | 83 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 26 2022 16:53 utc | 83 Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 26 2022 17:04 utc | 84 Old Hippie, Posted by: Exile | Jul 26 2022 17:10 utc | 86 Does no one sleep with cats under the covers? Posted by: too scents | Jul 26 2022 17:16 utc | 87 someone may have posted this already but i know russia/israel relations are a “hot topic” among this crowd so: Posted by: the pair | Jul 26 2022 17:17 utc | 88 Cat food powered foot warmers are definitely the way to go. They auto-regulate, positioning themselves under the blankets when room temperatures are low and repurposing for snake disposal when temperatures rise. They are quite handy to have around. Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 26 2022 17:18 utc | 89 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 26 2022 16:53 utc | 83 @83 oldhippie Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 18:18 utc | 91 British Journalist Graham Phillips Added To UK SANCTIONS LIST Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 26 2022 18:33 utc | 92 Old hippie – Posted by: Exile | Jul 26 2022 19:00 utc | 93 @63 Norwegian Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 19:05 utc | 94 something unclear happened 15 minutes ago, and EU natgas jumped another 7.5%, TTF Dec2022 contract now €215/MWh, up 20% for the day! Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 19:11 utc | 95 Question: Why cannot Gazprom just steal turbines from other unused pipelines? Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 19:18 utc | 96 @95 myself – correction to above, time was 15 minutes before end of trading session. this timing for a bump is not uncommon. Posted by: ptb | Jul 26 2022 19:26 utc | 97 Looks like Putin sabotaged the UK leadership debate… Posted by: dh | Jul 26 2022 19:30 utc | 98
FT whines… Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 19:42 utc | 99 Gas prices over $ 2,200 per thousand cubic meter, amid sanctions Posted by: ostro | Jul 26 2022 19:52 utc | 100 |
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