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July 8, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-107
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Note the significance of biolabs in these times and in those times. Posted by: K | Jul 9 2022 0:52 utc | 101 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jul 9 2022 0:18 utc | 94 @96 – re: physical vs virtual shortage Posted by: ptb | Jul 9 2022 1:02 utc | 103 @ Orchard1 82 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 9 2022 1:12 utc | 104 Seems like Canada has caved in to Germany and will return the turbine (or one of them). I am guessing that at least one of the currently being used turbines will also need repairs, so that gas delivery will continue at its current low levels. Posted by: watcher | Jul 9 2022 1:32 utc | 105 Replying to ptb | Jul 9 2022 1:02 utc | 101 Posted by: TPaine | Jul 9 2022 1:37 utc | 106 The Saker is up with revelations documents posted on bioweapons in Ukraine. Posted by: ld | Jul 9 2022 2:06 utc | 107 @104 Posted by: ptb | Jul 9 2022 2:28 utc | 108 RE Turbines Posted by: CarlD | Jul 9 2022 4:19 utc | 109 @ CarlD The goblins ate my post on anti-spiegel dot ru Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 5:13 utc | 112 CarlD @ 107 Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2022 5:42 utc | 113 @ uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 5:13 utc | 110 with the biolab link…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 9 2022 5:44 utc | 114 Doug Hillman @ 94 Posted by: Steve from Oz | Jul 9 2022 5:56 utc | 115 #—-: Bemildred | Jul 8 2022 23:53 utc | 91 Posted by: Anne B | Jul 9 2022 6:24 utc | 116 Hackers from the Killnet group hacked into the website of the Lithuanian state energy company ESO. https://www.eso.lt/ Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 6:24 utc | 117 psychohistorian #112 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 6:28 utc | 118 The Killnet group says that 100% of the entire ecosystem of the energy company has been blocked. Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 6:33 utc | 119 ostro #115
Ok so its good news and then you give a link to the hacked site and I click only to get a FU its unavailable :/ Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 6:33 utc | 120 On Monday the 11th July, panic starts in Germany and in those that reimport Russian natural gas from Germany. Even, if the turbine is returned from Canada through Germany to Gazprom, no one in the “west” knows what would happen on 21st July. Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 6:36 utc | 121 At the rate things are going, the Ukraine is going to end up like Paraguay after the Paraguayan War. Posted by: Gigo | Jul 9 2022 6:37 utc | 122 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 6:33 utc | 118
Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 6:39 utc | 123 Re: pipeline turbo-compressors Posted by: Exile | Jul 9 2022 6:40 utc | 124 Re: Kiev’s current order of battle: Posted by: Exile | Jul 9 2022 6:48 utc | 125 uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 5:13 utc | 110 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2022 6:52 utc | 126 Saturday morning walk in beautiful Kharkov…https://youtu.be/tWXWB76vB_M Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 6:55 utc | 127 Exile #123 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 6:59 utc | 128 HIMARS strikes Russian command post ==> https://t.me/separ_13/1440 Posted by: too scents | Jul 9 2022 7:04 utc | 129 The Globe and Mail take on turbine… Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 7:16 utc | 130 Peter AU1 #124 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 7:17 utc | 131 ostro #119
That’s one of the defining differences between east and west. The west can’t stand suspense and even more so if it drags on for more than seven days. I imagine the Russians will eventually install it but then what if there is a Ukrainian pipeline that spits a turbine? Will they relocate it there but will it take a week for the Ukies to extract the broken and then another week to install the spare, if they can still find it 😉 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 7:25 utc | 132 ld | Jul 9 2022 2:06 utc | 105 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2022 7:41 utc | 133 Posted a reply to uncle t earlier but a I guess link to bitchute and it got eaten by the abyss. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2022 7:47 utc | 134 The Russians are said to be bad at PR Posted by: colin786 | Jul 9 2022 7:56 utc | 135 Speaking of weak points, Snake Island was a weak point, which the Russian military came to understand very well, and have now passed this one back to the Ukrainians and CIA to look after. Just think, if the Ukrainians go and occupy Snake Island, they then inherit all the difficulties the Russians had in occupying it. They would be vulnerable, they have the resupply problems the Russians faced, and would be completely exposed to missile attack, which is a strong point of the Russian side. If the Ukrainians insist on putting their forces and effort into Snake Island, they will further lose blood and materiel as they are on the mainland. Posted by: colin786 | Jul 9 2022 7:56 utc | 136 Try again. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2022 7:59 utc | 137 Peter AU1 #132 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 8:01 utc | 138 uncle tungsten Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2022 8:12 utc | 139 The Military Summary Channel reported today that Russia will soon start ‘shelling’ (disabling) all Ukrainian non-nuclear power plants to turn off the electricity in Ukraine. Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Jul 9 2022 8:54 utc | 140 US wants to send 4 more HIMARS with 300km range. Posted by: rk | Jul 9 2022 8:54 utc | 141 @Contrarian_Ed | Jul 9 2022 8:54 utc | 138 Posted by: rk | Jul 9 2022 8:58 utc | 142 Why in the gods name the turbines were sent to Canada in the first place. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 9 2022 9:04 utc | 143 all Ukrainian non-nuclear power plants to turn off the electricity in Ukraine. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 9 2022 9:06 utc | 144 Posted by: rk | Jul 9 2022 8:54 utc | 139 Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 9:15 utc | 145 @ ostro | Jul 9 2022 9:15 utc | 143 Posted by: rk | Jul 9 2022 9:19 utc | 146 Posted by: rk | Jul 9 2022 9:19 utc | 144 Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 9:29 utc | 147 I’m presuming it’s called Shock&Awe when the Americans do it because Blitzkreig didn’t poll well with the focus groups? Had the Russians done it in the Ukraine no doubt it would have been wall-to-wall Blitzkreig in the western media. Posted by: MadisonAVenu | Jul 9 2022 9:35 utc | 148 Go ask the demented One…😋 Posted by: albagen | Jul 9 2022 9:36 utc | 149 @rk | Jul 9 2022 8:58 utc | 140 Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Jul 9 2022 9:42 utc | 150 It must be nearly a month now since the British mercenaries were given the death sentence. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 9 2022 9:42 utc | 151 Posted by: albagen | Jul 9 2022 9:36 utc | 147 Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 9:46 utc | 152
– colonel Нodarenok Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 9:51 utc | 153 bevin 59″If multipolarity means independent sovereigns, everything will be up to the people, who will make decisions based on, ultimately, experience and necessity.” Posted by: Northern Eve | Jul 9 2022 9:54 utc | 154 Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2022 5:42 utc | 111 Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 9 2022 10:01 utc | 155 … Of course Russia may use the Lithuanian situation to inform Germany that no free access to Karlingrad may mean no more gas. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 9 2022 10:06 utc | 156 ld | Jul 9 2022 2:06 utc | 105 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 9 2022 10:13 utc | 157 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (09.07.2022) Posted by: noname | Jul 9 2022 10:21 utc | 158 Contrarian_Ed #138
You are correct in that. I understood Military Summary Channel was referring to intermediate substations ie where transformers and grid distribution compounds are located. NOT generation systems. Pitching Ukraine into darkness and almost zero electricity will make their military operations very difficult and their population very cranky. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 10:25 utc | 159 The trial is still going and they’re not POWs, that’s only for regular army. Death or life in prison are the only options. If they send them back nothing will change, US controls the war and they don’t care about some captured idiots which aren’t even from US. So far I haven’t seen any action from Russia that will make US think twice before killing more Russians, there simply isn’t any military or economic danger for them so their fun time will continue not only in Ukr but also expand to Taiwan Posted by: rk | Jul 9 2022 10:28 utc | 160 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 9 2022 6:52 utc | 124 Posted by: Sushi | Jul 9 2022 10:31 utc | 161 Sushi #159
Here he is presenting the ‘Keynote Speech by Jeffrey Sachs for the Hiroshima International Conference on Peace & Sustainability’ Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 10:43 utc | 162 ooops the link: Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 10:44 utc | 163 The idea is to not to allow the EU natural gas storages to be filled (<80%?) before the heating period starts, and not to let the have any means to find new sources to get that gas. This will show the foolish EU leaders that the US is not reliable, as the US cannot supply that lacking gas and find ways to to get gas from other sources. Biden will fail with MbS later this month. Also, Putinfaltion in the US is rising...an interesting 2022...😏 Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 10:44 utc | 164 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 7:25 utc | 130 Posted by: Sushi | Jul 9 2022 10:50 utc | 165 @42 i don’t speak about more casualties as consequence of carpet bombings, what i mean, maybe we all remember where RF struck a abandoned mall in the outskirts of Kiew because it was a hideout for AFU artillery, RF could track the way from the firing position to the hideout with a drone, so why they are not able to do a 24/7 surveillance in the area around Donezk anymore and track the howitzers? Where is their superior power ? Posted by: disorder | Jul 9 2022 10:50 utc | 166 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 10:43 utc | 160 Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 9 2022 10:52 utc | 167 rk #158
The US never thinks twice before killing more…. that’s it. It’s what the US does and has done since it ran out of killing Indians and Mexicans. Unconscionable murderers sums up their game and they won’t stop until they get severely stomped. Which could be never. They certainly have been repeatedly rebuffed since China was liberated by Mao and the US cute ally Kuomintang got evicted, then Korea, Cuba, Vietnam….. They are still killing more. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 9 2022 10:55 utc | 168 @ostro Posted by: Tim | Jul 9 2022 10:56 utc | 169 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 9 2022 9:06 utc | 142 Posted by: Sushi | Jul 9 2022 10:59 utc | 170 btw. Russia started this operation with the wrong assumption it could fulfill their objects with a like 200k smo squad, it won’t work. Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 11:17 utc | 171 In the mean time the Euro is practically at parity with the US dollar…Europe is a walking zombie…lol Posted by: notlurking | Jul 9 2022 11:22 utc | 172 Here’s a little riddle about Kremenchuk bombing. Mainstream factchecking debunks the claim that the shopping mall was open when the missiles struck Kredmash plant. The proof is a half hour video which appeared the same day on youtube and which conveniently claims it was filmed the day before: Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jul 9 2022 11:30 utc | 173 Different location, same struggle:
Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 9 2022 11:33 utc | 174 Posted by: disorder | Jul 9 2022 10:50 utc | 164 Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 9 2022 11:38 utc | 175 bevin 85…..and in Sweden and as in other European countries the socialdemocrates have been the best imaginable gatekeepers against socialism, our female socialdemocratic feminist Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson and our female socialdemocratic feminist Minister of Foreign Affairs Ann Linde are taking us in to Nato, no bourgeois poltician could how done it. The same with the EU, although it was a male Prime Minster (a feminist too) Ingvar Carlsson who succeeded Olof Palme,no rightwing politician could have done it. (Olof Palme tried to change direction in a way, but he was murdered) And all of the most important strikes of the workers have been betrayed by the socialdemocrates. Posted by: Northern Eve | Jul 9 2022 11:38 utc | 176 A sober assessment by Oberst Reisner of the Austrian Armed Forces about the changes in the strength of the total available armed forces of both parties to the conflict within Ukraine (he explicitly does not speak of the front in the Donbas alone), which confirms the analyzes by MoA from a few days ago. Posted by: Konrad | Jul 9 2022 11:41 utc | 177 Russian strategy is surprising because it is IA strategy – devised to be unpredictable. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 9 2022 11:41 utc | 178 OTOH surprising Collective Waste grows easy and easier. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 9 2022 11:43 utc | 179 The advance towards Siversk is gathering pace, with the reported liberation of Grigorovka. Posted by: too scents | Jul 9 2022 11:45 utc | 180 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 9 2022 11:41 utc | 177 Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 9 2022 11:45 utc | 181 Where do all these so-called military experts come from? Is there a school churning them out. Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 11:46 utc | 182 @179 Posted by: ptb | Jul 9 2022 12:13 utc | 183 An interesting twitter thread about fake news Posted by: Aslangeo | Jul 9 2022 12:14 utc | 184 There is lots of fire on the Eastern side of the contact line. Posted by: too scents | Jul 9 2022 12:20 utc | 185 @187 too scents Posted by: ptb | Jul 9 2022 12:41 utc | 186 Posted by: Sushi | Jul 9 2022 10:31 utc | 162 Where is their superior power ? @ Tim 171 (a.k.a ostro) no I’m not out to get you, i’m just bored and need to wipe the floor with somebody from time to time. Posted by: albagen | Jul 9 2022 13:27 utc | 189 Sachs is making many good moves. He recently blamed the Kagan neocon clan (including Nuland) for the war un Ukraine. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 9 2022 13:27 utc | 190 -It corresponds to development of the ratio from a “9 to 10” to —-> “1 to 2”. I think Sachs has generally been treated unfairly. He’s always been good. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jul 9 2022 13:36 utc | 192 Posted by: albagen | Jul 9 2022 13:27 utc | 191 Posted by: ostro | Jul 9 2022 13:48 utc | 193 Alef@77 “We will liberate you by bombing you and then force to use our language you consider a rural dialect.” Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Jul 9 2022 13:51 utc | 194 Posted by: disorder | Jul 9 2022 10:50 utc | 167 Posted by: Olivier | Jul 9 2022 14:20 utc | 195 One more time: Posted by: Olivier | Jul 9 2022 14:24 utc | 196 Northern Eve@178 Posted by: bevin | Jul 9 2022 14:26 utc | 197 @Sushi #172 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 9 2022 15:15 utc | 198 Jonathan W @ 156 Posted by: circumspect | Jul 9 2022 15:26 utc | 199 How about your mother…?😋 Posted by: albagen | Jul 9 2022 15:36 utc | 200 |
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