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July 08, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-107

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict ...

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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Is there any known estimate of the number of POW captured in the Donbass pocket?
My sense is that a considerable number of UAF forces may have evaded capture but I am unable to confirm this fat.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 8 2022 14:42 utc | 1

The last two weeks have seen a level and scale of mobility of the Russian forces that hasn't existed since March. This is the undeniable proof that Ukraine is daily being exhausted and it is an open question just how much longer, much like Germany in 1944, it can sustain this fighting.

Posted by: Cesare | Jul 8 2022 14:45 utc | 2

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
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⚡️Ex-NATO commander: Ukraine could deal devastating blow to Kremlin by attacking Kerch Strait bridge linking mainland Russia with Crimea.

Former NATO Commander General Philip Breedlove said Ukraine could carry out the attack with newly supplied Harpoon missiles.

Posted by: Down South | Jul 8 2022 15:17 utc | 3

While the Saker site may be down, the RF MOD keeps on tankin' along.
Military Summery had a great map yesterday showing the Ukrainian forces deployed against the DPR. Formidable to say the least. For those who question the why, watch the vid, it explains the reason. Will be late Nov, around the US Primaries, before that operation is closed.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 8 2022 15:22 utc | 4

Boris took up his first day of basic training as brigade commander. After a hearty full English breakfast, including several slices of fried bread, he was last seen climbing a wall on the assault course, a full 20 minutes behind the rest of the recruits. The press followed his every move, even when Boris shat in his pants when crawling under/through barbed wire.

Screaming at his Press Secretary for oxygen, he was later heard commenting 'fuck this for a game of soldiers, what's on the luncheon menu?'

When questioned by waiting press in the Officers Mess, where Johnson has his own private quarters, one senior officer described Boris's first day as Churchillian-esque and he'd be ready for the Donbass Front Line by month end.

At dinner Boris gave a commanding/rousing motivational speech, between courses. During brandy and cigars Boris, looking rather bloated and semi inebriated, could be heard bragging, Putin won't know what's hit him next month, he'll be desperate to sign a peace treaty on favourable terms to Ukraine, including the return of Crimea.

We won't stop at the Ukrainian border we'll go all the way up to and past the Urals, maybe further, grab us a gas field or two, were his last words before retiring to bed.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jul 8 2022 15:23 utc | 5

I don't have any warnings that saker is officialy cenzored by state here but site can't be opened.

I guess in august Ukraine is planning counter-offensive. There are some rumors and Z-elensky announced he will not talk with P.utin untill august. If so this could not be a secret in Kremlin and the result could not be different than of all their previous military operations.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 8 2022 15:24 utc | 6

Canadian Support For Ukrainian Nazi Collaborators Goes Beyond Statues (Passage, Moss Robeson, August 11, 2020)

Posted by: S | Jul 8 2022 15:46 utc | 7

Canada returns one hostage Siemens turbine (i thought it was the compressor...) to Germany

https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/news/canada-to-return-nord-stream-1-turbine-to-germany-in-blow-to-ukraine/

TTF (EU natgas) futures market reaction was mild so far, suggesting there are other unresolved issues. Dec-2022 feel slightly to around 170 Euro/MWh, but Q4-2023 rose to around 125... (compare to around 25 being a rough pre-crisis level based on production and transport economics)

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 15:49 utc | 8

to clarify - the report actually says "Canada" now intends to return it, so perhaps not all parties able to obstruct the return have let it go quite yet

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 15:52 utc | 9

Re: ptb, 15

The machine is a compressor, of axial flow. In other words: a turbine compressor.
It might be of Rolls-Royce persuasion . . . Siemens bought this contracting piece of business from them , per rt.ru
I asked this question under their article chronicling the subcontracting relations.

Posted by: LogosApplis | Jul 8 2022 16:08 utc | 10

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 15:49 utc | 15
Turbines are a necessary component in a gas turbine compressor. No turbine, no compressors.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 8 2022 16:34 utc | 11

@Down South | Jul 8 2022 15:17 utc | 9

Two Harpoon launchers sent by Bojo were exploded today near Odessa by a missile strike.

In May, zee Germanz arrested two of their soldiers who were stealing explosives from their own army and were preparing to go and explode the Crimea bridge.

Posted by: rk | Jul 8 2022 16:44 utc | 12

⚡️Ex-NATO commander: Ukraine could deal devastating blow to Kremlin by attacking Kerch Strait bridge linking mainland Russia with Crimea.

Posted by: Down South | Jul 8 2022 15:17 utc | 9

Is that new? They've been threatening it for months. I would have thought there's a reason why it hasn't been tried. i.e. that they can't get into a position from where there's a reasonable chance of success.

Posted by: laguerre | Jul 8 2022 16:47 utc | 13

Isn’t it sort of neat the way the EU sanctions regime mirrors Napoleon’s continental system. Failure and blowback effects included. It almost looks as if humanity can learn nothing. And no I don’t think that blowing up the Crimean bridge would be a game changer. Unless it encouraged theRussians to flatten the Kiev parliament. Presumably it counts as a “decision centre”?

Posted by: BarclayDeTolly | Jul 8 2022 16:54 utc | 14

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

Up to 290 Ukrainian servicemen and 29 units of armoured vehicles and equipment have been destroyed as a result of shelling of positions of 188th Battalion of 123rd Territorial Defence Brigade near Ochakov, Nikolaev Region.

Russian Aerospace Forces have neutralised temporary deployment point of 241st Territorial Defence Brigade near Nikolaev. The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 85 nationalists and up to 15 units of AFU weapons and military equipment.

High-precision sea-based weapons near Liman, Odessa Region have destroyed two Harpoon coastal missile systems delivered from the UK.

Russian Aerospace Forces' high-precision strike in Kramatorsk has destroyed 2 Tochka-U missile launchers and over 150 nationalists.

6 Grad multiple rocket launchers and 1 ammunition depot have been destroyed in Mayaki, Donetsk People's Republic.

Within counter-battery fighting, 4 MLRS and 4 artillery batteries have been suppressed near Novoluganskoe, Semigor'e, Pershetravnoe, Zaitsevo and Kodema, Donetsk People's Republic.

Operational-tactical and army aviation, and missile troops and artillery have hit 156 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 1 fuel depot for Ukrainian armoured vehicles in Annovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region.

Russian Aerospace Forces' Su-35s have shot down MiG-29 and Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian air force near Lazarevka, Nikolaev Region.

In addition, Russian air defence means have shot down 1 MiG-29 aircraft of Ukrainian air force near Golubovka, Donetsk People's Republic, and 9 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Zhovtnevoe, Boldyrevo, Kovalevka, Petrovka, Dolgenkoe, Kapitolovka in Kharkov Region and Kuibyshevo in Kherson Region.

In total, 237 Ukrainian airplanes and 137 helicopters, 1,488 unmanned aerial vehicles, 353 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,964 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 730 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,112 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4,076 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

Posted by: Calar | Jul 8 2022 16:55 utc | 15

I would have thought there's a reason why it hasn't been tried.
Posted by: laguerre | Jul 8 2022 16:47 utc | 26

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Escalation dominance, especially in the realm of counter-sanctions that haven't been applied yet.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2022 16:57 utc | 16

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"Ex-NATO commander: Ukraine could deal devastating blow to Kremlin by attacking Kerch Strait bridge linking mainland Russia with Crimea.
Former NATO Commander General Philip Breedlove said Ukraine could carry out the attack with newly supplied Harpoon missiles."

That is why English must be attacked from all sides-no mercy to those english parasites.

the First thing ( in fact the only sensible thing) Russia must do, is to kill as many English soldiers (and not only their hired mercenaries ), English spies masquerading as British and BBC journalists and mercenaries as possible as in shortest time. That will settle the problem of the world being destabilized by the England pirate island and there will be no more plotting for wars by English pirates. But Russia does opposite! It let English mercenaries escape safely from donesk (Debeltsov enckave) in Feb 2015!

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" According to UP sources close to Zelensky, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages.
The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he needs to be squeezed, and not negotiated with him.

And secondly, if Ukraine is ready to sign any agreements on guarantees with him, then they are not.

This position of Johnson testified: the collective West, which back in February offered Zelensky to surrender and run away, now felt that Putin was actually not at all as omnipotent as he was imagined, and that right now there was a chance to squeeze him.

Three days after Johnson left for the UK, Putin went public and said talks with Ukraine "have reached an impasse."

Posted by: Soi | Jul 8 2022 17:08 utc | 17

@all

I just deleted 12 comments from different people which all said the same thing.

The website saker.is is currently offline.

It is sufficient that it was said once. There is no reason to further discuss it here.

Posted by: b | Jul 8 2022 17:12 utc | 18

Quote from boris

We won't stop at the Ukrainian border we'll go all the way up to and past the Urals, maybe further, grab us a gas field or two, were his last words before retiring to bed."
That is why English need to be sorted out once and for all.
How dare to think of looting oil fields of Russia by that 4th rate country England - a pirate ugly island!
Only ten topols or one Sarmat will sort out that that island well.

Posted by: Soi | Jul 8 2022 17:16 utc | 19

Intel Slava has reported the second Ukrainian SS-300 system destroyed on the ground in two days by a small unit using machine guns. Things are wide open now

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 8 2022 17:16 utc | 20

can someone post andrei martinov blog address ?
thank yoy

Posted by: anna | Jul 8 2022 17:18 utc | 21

So >500 nazis today? Not bad but days with 1k were better. Even more, since today was another shelling for fun in city areas using nato weapons.

Posted by: rk | Jul 8 2022 17:20 utc | 22

Seems Russia is saluting resignation of Johnson in Ukraine - lights of fireworks today.

Posted by: jared | Jul 8 2022 17:24 utc | 23

@ anna | Jul 8 2022 17:18 utc | 21

smoothiex12 on blogspot, just like his yt channel

Posted by: rk | Jul 8 2022 17:29 utc | 24

Thanks b!!

The bioweapon story continues, "Russia makes new Hunter Biden-related bio-lab claims: Moscow, citing a captured document, has claimed a Pentagon contractor was planning to study the deadly Ebola virus in Ukraine."

According to the ministry, Metabiota, a Pentagon contractor, had previously participated in dealing with the aftermath of the Ebola epidemic in West Africa. However, the company’s main objective had supposedly been collecting “highly virulent” strains of the virus and transporting them to the US.

The Russian military went on to claim that, considering the “clear discrepancy” between Metabiota’s activities and the actual fight against the deadly disease, Jarbas Barbosa, then-assistant director of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), which is a branch of the World Health Organization (WHO), had allegedly recommended that the firm’s staff be withdrawn. The official was supposedly concerned that cooperation with the US company would undermine the WHO’s reputation.

“Seeing that the disease is not endemic and, moreover, has never been identified in Ukraine, a logical question arises as to the necessity of such research and its true goals,” Russian Defense Ministry officials noted.

Moscow claims all of this is “part of the US strategy to transfer research of particularly dangerous pathogens to third countries.”

Russian officials have also suggested that American society should get acquainted with the story and possibly raise questions regarding the US government’s activities, which are apparently in breach of the Biological Weapons Convention. [My Emphasis]

IMO, it's the great weaknesses in the Outlaw US Empire's ability to defend its nation from modern weapons that's behind the attempt to create bioweapons, although with Covid, we can see the great problems inherent with such a plan, which is why all such undertakings are deemed illegal. The level of immorality existing within the Outlaw US Empire and its great lack of credibility on all issues generates excellent grounds for high levels of global concern over this issue. With luck, other vital documents will escape destruction and provide further clarity. My own personal appraisal is that we should assume the worst intentions possible from the Outlaw US Empire and move on from there. If such assumptions prove unwarranted, then good. But they must be proven to be such beyond all doubt, which is something that, unfortunately, the Outlaw US Empire is incapable of providing because of its proven reputation as a serial liar.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 17:37 utc | 25

I see we're back to problems posting RT links with comments. I've removed the link.

The bioweapon story continues, "Russia makes new Hunter Biden-related bio-lab claims: Moscow, citing a captured document, has claimed a Pentagon contractor was planning to study the deadly Ebola virus in Ukraine."

According to the ministry, Metabiota, a Pentagon contractor, had previously participated in dealing with the aftermath of the Ebola epidemic in West Africa. However, the company’s main objective had supposedly been collecting “highly virulent” strains of the virus and transporting them to the US.

The Russian military went on to claim that, considering the “clear discrepancy” between Metabiota’s activities and the actual fight against the deadly disease, Jarbas Barbosa, then-assistant director of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), which is a branch of the World Health Organization (WHO), had allegedly recommended that the firm’s staff be withdrawn. The official was supposedly concerned that cooperation with the US company would undermine the WHO’s reputation.

“Seeing that the disease is not endemic and, moreover, has never been identified in Ukraine, a logical question arises as to the necessity of such research and its true goals,” Russian Defense Ministry officials noted.

Moscow claims all of this is “part of the US strategy to transfer research of particularly dangerous pathogens to third countries.”

Russian officials have also suggested that American society should get acquainted with the story and possibly raise questions regarding the US government’s activities, which are apparently in breach of the Biological Weapons Convention. [My Emphasis]

IMO, it's the great weaknesses in the Outlaw US Empire's ability to defend its nation from modern weapons that's behind the attempt to create bioweapons, although with Covid, we can see the great problems inherent with such a plan, which is why all such undertakings are deemed illegal. The level of immorality existing within the Outlaw US Empire and its great lack of credibility on all issues generates excellent grounds for high levels of global concern over this issue. With luck, other vital documents will escape destruction and provide further clarity. My own personal appraisal is that we should assume the worst intentions possible from the Outlaw US Empire and move on from there. If such assumptions prove unwarranted, then good. But they must be proven to be such beyond all doubt, which is something that, unfortunately, the Outlaw US Empire is incapable of providing because of its proven reputation as a serial liar.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 17:38 utc | 26

Posting the URL alone won't work either.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 17:40 utc | 27

It doesn't happen very often, but Peskov issued a clarification of Putin's recent remarks as RT reported:

President Vladimir Putin’s observation that Russian troops in Ukraine “haven’t even really started anything yet” simply states that Moscow is far superior in its military strength, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov clarified on Friday.

On Thursday, Putin dared Western leaders who seek Russia’s defeat on the battlefield in Ukraine to deliver on the threat. “Let them try. We haven’t even really started anything yet,” he claimed.

The president “simply reminded [his audience] that the military potentials [of Ukraine and Russia] were incommensurable,” Peskov said.

“Russian strength is so vast that only a small fraction of it is engaged in the special military operation,” the official said.

Western expectations that Ukraine can defeat Russia militarily are “absurd and only add to the suffering of the Ukrainian people,” he added. [My Emphasis]

IMO, Peskov's statement isn't a corrective like those issued for Biden's many gaffs. Rather, it's a reiteration of Putin's words for the West in case they were missed/ignored the first time. It good to see RT finally following the Kremlin's narrative instead of continuing its fence-sitting position:

The US and its allies have declared as their goal in Ukraine a strategic defeat of Russia and are providing weapons and training to Kiev forces. Top Western officials have stated that Ukraine will be able to beat Russia on the battlefield with their help.

The Ukrainian government agreed and broke peace talks with Russia, which took place during the first month of the conflict. Moscow believes that Kiev was pressured into its uncompromising position by its Western backers.

Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give the regions of Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.”

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 17:50 utc | 28

@27 : RF MoD is the same doing as AFU MoD, Putin is the same doing as ZE,its called propaganda, but where is the logic behind Putins and Peskov's statement, if the RF are so superior why don't they use all their power, Donezk is being shelled since a couple of weeks, Belogrod is being shelled etc...
either RF MoD has no clue what they are doing or they simply dont care about the casualities in Donezk.

Posted by: disorder | Jul 8 2022 18:07 utc | 29

Part of war trophies, Lysychansk https://t.me/sashakots/34229

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 18:10 utc | 30

@disorder 28

There is no way to avoid those casualties without inflicting even more. They are much stronger but not omnipotent. This is real war, not some TV series about war.

Posted by: alek_a | Jul 8 2022 18:11 utc | 31

Robert Bridge at Strategic Culture talks about Russia opposing liberalism. He's right but I think that he misunderstands what liberalism is, perhaps because he is part of it.
The problem is that most people see only the surface foliage, the Pride parades, the TERF wars, secular education even the titanic struggle over the rights of frightened teenage girls, a period or two later... The list of issues-most irrelevant, some irrational and others medieaval- is long and familiar. But that isn't what liberalism is about.
The liberalism that Russia, and China are rejecting is the capitalist system and the imperialist form that it has developed over the past five centuries. The capitalism that denies the possibility of human control of the economy and the imperialism that insists that civilisation can only flourish by devouring the lives and wealth of the weak, both of them aspects of cannibalism and diabolism.

Bridge goes some way towards examining the roots of what some people call Cultural Marxism. And he points out that it has very little to do with Marx.
"....Although it is a very difficult exercise trying to pin down exactly what a ‘liberal’ is, for our purposes here the term applies to that group critical thinkers from the so-called Frankfurt School – Marxist mind massagers like Adorno, Marcuse, Horkheimer and Fromm – who arrived to America’s sunny shores in the early 20th century is great despair. Despite their name, these academics were much more influenced by the psychological tinkering of the psychoanalysis Sigmund Freud and his view on repression and sexuality as opposed to the author of Das Kapital, Karl Marx and his dream of a classless society...
"https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/07/08/russia-on-the-front-lines-of-the-great-anti-liberal-war/

In fact the Frankfurt School returned to Germany in the baggage of the US Army as part of the CIA's urgent campaign against socialism in all forms but the parodies it sponsored.
https://orinocotribune.com/the-cia-the-frankfurt-schools-anti-communism/

Posted by: bevin | Jul 8 2022 18:16 utc | 32

Posted by: disorder | Jul 8 2022 18:07 utc | 28

While I am always skeptical of government statements, not all statements by a government are propaganda. Facts are facts and are not propaganda unless they are false. I am not certain that the information that the Russian government provides is accurate, but it is providing information that can be compared to information from NATO/West sources and independent sources. Judge as you see fit.

I think the logic behind Russia's reluctance to intensify its attacks could be any and/or all of the following:

1. An attempt to follow the known international rules of war such as not targeting civilian infrastructure unless it is being used by the opposing military.
2. Trying to cause as little damage to civilian infrastructure as possible in areas that Russia will either be allied with or subsuming into Russia proper because Russia will then be responsible for re-building those areas.
3. An attempt to minimize Russian and allied forces' casualties.
4. Maintaining a large military force in reserve to deal with any number of military eventualities that could include Ukrainian counter-offensives, NATO military engagements, and other provocations around the Russian perimeter.
5. Inability to muster the personnel and equipment to mount attacks.
6. Fear of Ukrainian/NATO responses to those attacks.
7. Fear of international responses to increased attacks.

Which of these are correct? I do not know. Any speculation on your part?

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jul 8 2022 18:16 utc | 33

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 17:50 utc | 27

Yes, Putin is a bit of a macho man and as the 'Collective West' meme gathers strength in the East and the Global South, Putin needs to cool down and not give the enemy easy propaganda weapons to use against Russia. I think it's only now that the Russians are getting a better handle on total nature of censorship in the West.

Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 8 2022 18:26 utc | 34

Posted by: bevin | Jul 8 2022 18:16 utc | 31

Liberalism, as I understand it simply, is rule of law, market economy, individual rights, and some form of representative government. Adam Smith's explanation of capitalism is a fundamental component of that liberalism.

Robert Bridge is a part of that system, as are we all. Unless you actually live in a self-sustaining commune, or are able to live off the land and do not use electricity, roads, etc...you are part of the current Liberal World Order. It's like when a Black person says that they are racist. It's not because they view the world as some crazy, old Confederacy loving white guy in the South, but because they have been inculcated in the deep rooted racist systems and tropes of the United States and most other parts of the world. Cultural Marxism is a canard - an attempt to conflate the most hated belief system in the Western capitalist mindset with the changing mores about race in modern society.

One are of pushback against liberalism, aside from various political movements, is the notion that Indigenous Rights are not Human Rights. What this means, as I understand it, is that Indigenous Rights pre-exist the Western notion of Human Rights and are not a sub-set or aspect of them. Instead, Indigenous Rights as clarified in the UNDRIP (UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples) derive from the inherent sovereignty of Indigenous Nations as they existed separately and previously from the 'rights' as developed in the West. I don't think that this interpretation is accepted whole-cloth, but it is out there and has an entire set of implications that we are also seeing as Russia, China, and other nations push back against the rules and rights that primarily flow from a Western/European political and economic system.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jul 8 2022 18:30 utc | 35

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jul 8 2022 18:30 utc | 34

I should not have said "most other parts of the world" when describing racist systems and tropes. That is an overstatement, but the same racist systems and tropes are re-created in some other parts of the world, i.e., European countries (including Ukraine) and some Latin American countries that internalized European/American racist ideas.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jul 8 2022 18:42 utc | 36

disorder @28--

Given all the information provided at this website since 24 February, you quite clearly have missed 99.9% IMO, it's up to you to review all that info and then answer your own question. Just reviewing b's articles without the commentary is more than sufficient.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 18:46 utc | 37

smoothiex12 on blogspot
today's article was chilling

So, the big news today, of course, is this:
"Sevmash" handed over to the Russian Navy the submarine "Belgorod", which will be the first carrier of "Poseidons"
Obviously, Poseidon, together with a number of other Russia's serial produced weapons such as Avangard or Zircon--you know, the ones Western media called cartoons in 2018--worry the United States and there have been several attempts to "limit" the development and now the procurement of such weapons under different pretexts, including arms limitations talks.

The first thing, of course, is the use of "70 knots per hour" which is cringe-worthy because a knot IS a measure of speed and it is a nautical mile per hour. Used in knots per hour is more a description of acceleration (and old way of saying it) than of speed. Secondly, nobody but Russians know the degree of autonomy of Poseidon and Russia is not the country which takes such issues lightly.

No matter how such an event will be spun by Western "journos", one has to keep in mind that Poseidon, while capable of wiping out huge segments of the coast by creating a monstrous tsunami--some say up to 500 meters high--its existence has profound ramifications for any fleet which would decide to travel as a formation, a precise way Carrier Battle Groups travel, because they become merely sitting ducks for such a weapon. Obviously modern means of detection and targeting on Poseidon, most likely, allow to use this huge vehicle as a carrier of a huge conventional warhead capable to sink, by detonating under the keel, any type of ship, including US Navy's CVNs. And it cannot be intercepted by modern ASW weapons due to a huge speed and an extreme difficulty of detecting it, especially when traveling at the depth of 1+ kilometer and surfacing only for the strike.

I refrained from posting the link to avoid disrupting the thread

Posted by: ld | Jul 8 2022 18:46 utc | 38

@10 @11 LogosApplis, Ed Nelson
Makes sense. Turbo-compressor might be a clearer name to my ears, but all good. Thanks!

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 18:49 utc | 39

Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 8 2022 18:26 utc | 33
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Russians are not that interested in the western propaganda, knowing very well that this western propaganda doesn't work at all in the Global South. They are not even trying to counter the western propaganda, most times laughing at it, lately even Putin had chimed in with that, "try if you can" line.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 18:55 utc | 40

For all those interested in the Control of the Narrative in Germany, I suggest to often visit Nachdenkseiten, a very well written blog, destroying every day some of the propaganda we are feed up. Skyrocketing visitor numbers and many extremely friendly, constructive emails. Text, podcast or video are perceived by more than 400,000 people every day.
I recommend a regular visit.

German language but machine translation works good. My emphasis.

Idiot. Stupid. scholz


In yesterday's Tagesschau, after the AfD questioned the wisdom of the sanctions against Russia, Chancellor Scholz countered that the AfD was the "Party of Russia". This statement is so stupid, so out of touch with history, so frivolous that one can only cover one's face at the fact that this person is at the head of our government. How stupid and oblivious to history this statement by Olaf Scholz is becomes clear if you look back a bit. There was someone in the government at the time who accused a major party in the German Bundestag of being Moscow's 5th column. That was Dr. Geißler, general secretary of the CDU in the 1980s. In the retrofit debate at the time, he accused the SPD of being the 5th column of the other side, the Soviet Union.

If today's Chancellor (SPD) could create a bit of history, if he were a bit sensitive, then he wouldn't now attach the label that had been wickedly attached to his party to another party.

He would remember that his party was labeled "Moscow's Fifth Column" because it advocated understanding and because there were strong forces in the SPD who did not want to go along with the rearmament because it would destroy the painstakingly begun process of detente threatened to do.

[...]
PS: Apart from everything that has already been said, the accusation that another party is Russia's party is astonishing because it comes from the mouth of a politician whose policies are largely determined by the USA. The sanctions, the end of the policy of detente, rearmament, arms deliveries - none of this corresponds to the original program of Chancellor Scholz's party, he is following the wishes of the USA and NATO. Things are no better for the other parties that support his government, and especially for the CDU/CSU: CDU chairman Merz was previously in the service of the US company BlackRock, the Greens are completely inverted and are the purest representatives of NATO and Atlanticist interests. And things aren't much better with the others. The Allies, the USA, NATO have conquered sovereignty over the regular tables of the governing parties and the largest opposition party in the last few decades.

Unfortunately there is nothing to explain

July 07, 2022 at 8:52 am
An article by: Albrecht Müller
https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=85621

Posted by: La Bastille | Jul 8 2022 19:00 utc | 41

"End quote. Repeat the line". https://youtu.be/Ynxc4KHqAuQ

US President Biden again decided to read the teleprompter at a speech at the White House.

Maybe, its time to kick Biden out?😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 19:09 utc | 42

LogosApplis. [10]

It is known as „Industrial-RB211“

Siemens also has a Servicing partner at Dyce, near Aberdeen - it did not need to use Canada

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 8 2022 19:11 utc | 43

@disorder
The optics of killing millions of Ukies in a Twitter world is not something Russia wants to do. They are walking a fine line. The paid US,UK,and Canadian Soldiers fighting the Internet war do not actually change the fact that the majority of people don’t hate Russians. Destroying entire cities full of women and children with planes is a hard sell and a last resort. Plus Russia is destroying all of the euro economy and is in no rush to wrap this up.

Posted by: OhhCanada | Jul 8 2022 19:12 utc | 44

Biden puts medal on backwards
https://twitter.com/andre_mihaescu/status/1544782995189600260

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 19:15 utc | 45

Posted by bevin july 8 /31
Do I missunderstand you, don´t Russia and China reject only the capitalism that has developed since the rentiercapitalism/the financialized capitalism started, and they think that the capitalism that started with industrialism was good, and even progressive? As I understand Russia and China intend to build up a capitalism with state-planned economy, the production in the society has to be good for the whole society, and not as in the US (and more and more in the EU) a fincialized capitalism without production that is only good for the 1%. But neither China and Russia intend to abolish the full private ownership rights of the production.

Posted by: Northern Eve | Jul 8 2022 19:18 utc | 46

Posted by: anna | Jul 8 2022 17:18 utc | 21

shshshhhhh
ostro might hear you mentioning andrei martyanov

Posted by: albagen | Jul 8 2022 19:22 utc | 47

If war is an instrument of politics, then it makes sense that how the war is conducted and at what cost is also an instrument of politics. That Putin is able to conduct the war at "greater than necessary" cost of Russian lives, without political cost (so far) is an indicator of the trust the Russian people have in his judgement.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 8 2022 19:27 utc | 48

PTB 8, 9

A simplified explanation of a jet engine is:
Suck, Squeeze, (Squirt), Bang, Blow.

An in line compressor for a gas pipeline will do the first 2 and the last, although slower and with less pressure than a jet engine. Hopefully no one places an igniter in the gas stream.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jul 8 2022 19:45 utc | 49

@41 Paul Greenwood
ah, thanks. Looking that up, seems a descendant of the established Rolls Royce product line... Doesn't seem like a particularly exceptional piece of equipment

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 19:46 utc | 50

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 17:38 utc | 25

Rinat Akhmetov, Metabiota, thus responsible for a big slice of the Ukrainian biolab profit-taking, intends to “sue Russia for up to $20 billion in damages caused to his steel plants in Mariupol”!

If there’s any justice, he’ll be helping the DPR war crimes tribunal with their enquires in the near future,

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-richest-man-akhmetov-to-sue-russia-for-mariupol-losses-2022-5

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 8 2022 19:53 utc | 51

The website saker.is is currently offline.
It is sufficient that it was said once. There is no reason to further discuss it here.

Posted by: b | Jul 8 2022 17:12 utc | 18

Heavy artillery was deployed against the site. Pepe Escobar forwards the urgent Saker message requesting help from IT security specialists.

The Saker blog has been under attack for many months, but we kept it quiet. Our webmaster and sysadmin Herb has successfully beat back all the attacks, but now the enemy has upped both the scale and nature of the attack and we are barely hanging on.

Urgent request:

If you are an IT security specialist (or you can contact one you know) and you think that you, or your company, can help, please contact at the following email as soon as possible: saker-webmaster{at}yandex.com

We will keep you updated on the old blog’s site here: http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/


Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Jul 8 2022 19:57 utc | 52

Posted by: albagen | Jul 8 2022 19:22 utc | 45
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Hi, hi, that guy, just made a fool of himself in his "blog"...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 20:03 utc | 53

I wonder at what point the Empire of Chaos will target the ICANN itself to block all Russian dot coms and assorted domains.

Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | Jul 8 2022 20:09 utc | 54

@karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 17:38 utc | 25

we should assume the worst intentions possible from the Outlaw US Empire and move on from there.

Yes, especially as the Empire of Lies had already identified bioweapons as a politically useful tool “And advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." PNAC, "Rebuilding America's Defenses", p. 60. The Pentagon has indicated that there were 46 US bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

The latest information from the Russian Ministry of Defence is available at https://telegra.ph/Briefing-on-the-results-of-analysing-documents-related-to-the-military-biological-activity-of-the-USA-in-Ukraine-July-7-2022-07-07

Posted by: cirsium | Jul 8 2022 20:12 utc | 55

@ Gruff-ster

Regarding the threats to take out the Kerch bridge, how do you think Russia might respond? Might they reply in kind by taking out a bridge near a decision center — inside Ukraine or in a country that supplies weapons? How would HATO respond?

Please speculate away. This is a bar, after all.

Posted by: dfg | Jul 8 2022 20:17 utc | 56

Kerch Strai Bridge:

Tass News -
- 16 June: 'Crimean Bridge Target Number One, Ukranian Army General Says'
https://tass.com/world/1465651
- 8 April: The Crimean Bridge is reliably protected all around from potential threats, Russian National Guard Chief Viktor Zolotov told TASS.
https://tass.com/defense/1275551
- Putin, or some high Russian official recently spoke about Russia's response
to a possible attack on the bridge, but I can't find it now.

Posted by: JB | Jul 8 2022 20:18 utc | 57

Ricardo Ramirez @52--

One thing the Outlaw US Empire wants to prevent is giving the world ample reason to put another internet into place using non-US soft and hardware. A number of nations, however, are doing just that to insulate their national security from Outlaw cyber attack--Iran, Russia, China, and India are in the vanguard of that process. In like manner, the world doesn't want to incur the additional expense of creating such a system; but as we continue to see, it's not being left much choice in the matter. I've been fortunate in being able to access most sites from my home in Oregon, and I currently have no problems. IMO, it's complete folly to expose your national security network to Outlaw US Empire penetration. Even "normal" communications methods were compromised long ago by the NSA going back to Operation Echelon that commenced at the end of the 1970s that targeted ALL nations. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see two different internet systems operating within a nation--one for the public and one strictly for the government. Global IT companies ought to be very alarmed at the thought of their eventual disconnection from the global internet since most are agents of the Outlaw US Empire. On the other hand, there are those IT companies that aren't such agents and look to profit from this situation. It's possible that quantum computing networks will exist outside the current internet and have engineering rendering them unhackable. We shall see.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 20:42 utc | 58

I can see the saker if i remove the s from the https in the URL bar.

Posted by: Wester | Jul 8 2022 20:49 utc | 59

hey, ostro

please stick around, you're too funny. everybody likes stupid people trying to pass like smartass guys. these are depressing times, life on earth can end if somebody miscalculates, so looking at you as an exhibit A of... off... something, I'm at a loss naming your category... just, stick around. u da man.

Posted by: albagen | Jul 8 2022 20:52 utc | 60

Posted by: albagen | Jul 8 2022 20:52 utc | 57
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Your friend had been discharged dishonourably from service...so, here you go...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 20:59 utc | 61

Northern Eve@44
I think that you are right, at least where Russia is concerned. In my view though the object, to preserve an idealised form of capitalism, is unrealistic. Multipolarity should lead to a new logic in which national/communal experimentation with forms of ownership and regulation of capital - rather like the experiment of chavism- will lead to new systems, which are likely to resolve themselves into forms of socialism.
The experience of the imperialist age since about 1800 has been that finance capital has worked hard to suppress any challenges to its domination and squashed every attempt (with few exceptions such as China where, it might be argued, it is early days yet) to establish independence. If multipolarity means independent sovereigns then all will be up to the people, who will take decisions on the bsasis of, ultimately, experience and necessity.
Don't tell me that this is an inadequate response, I know it.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 8 2022 21:00 utc | 62

@52, thank you so much. @56 it doesn't help in victoria bc. dear b, thank you for your work & this beloved barroom. while comments relating to the saker's besiege may appear to be off thread, & may contribute to crowd paranoia i feel it is essential & imperative @ this time that we come together as a collective. perhaps in this extraordinary circumstance a separate thread dealing with the assault would be appropriate. the empire of lies is determined to shut down all dissension. living in canada & knowing what they have done to undermine SC i am extremely concerned, as are many others. yes, it would/will be very good very nice when there is an alternative global web bt presently i am not @ all certain it will (@ least in canada/NA) withstand the onslaught or be allowed to be accessed. this is why now we need to come together. we all knew such events would unfold. forgive me if you view this off thread...from my perspective it is utterly on point & to the point. thank you again, b.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Jul 8 2022 21:01 utc | 63

From New Jersey, in front of New York City i can not reach the Saker.

Posted by: Ocelote | Jul 8 2022 21:01 utc | 64

A request from Saker...

I have two urgent requests:

1) If you are an IT security specialist (or can contact one you know) and you think that you (or he/she), or your company, can help, please contact at the following email as soon as possible: [email protected]

Please do NOT email me personally as I am on sick leave and this is way above my IT skills.

2) please circulate this appeal of mine on social media, maybe that will help us get to the right people who can help us.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 21:04 utc | 65

Maybe, its time to kick Biden out?😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 19:09 utc | 40

just replace him with the teleprompter. this will at least make press conferences shorter as the teleprompter doesn't have to figure out what it's supposed to do and say.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 8 2022 21:06 utc | 66

Maria Zakharova on the Kaliningrad situation:

"Question: What is the current situation with regard to the "sanctions" restrictions announced by Vilnius on the rail transportation of Russian goods between the Kaliningrad Region and the rest of Russia?

"Maria Zakharova: We continue our dialogue with the European Commission and Lithuania. We are assured that the issue should be resolved in the near future.

"We hope that Brussels and Vilnius will make the only right decision that will ensure unimpeded transit to the exclave part of Russia.

"At the same time, our economic operators are already incurring losses due to the illegal restrictions unilaterally introduced by the Lithuanians. We will not wait indefinitely. Once again, we warn you that if the situation does not stabilise in the coming days, Russia will take tough measures against Lithuania and the European Union, the preparation of which has already been completed. The solution to the problem has taken too long." [My Emphasis]

How long a duration is "in the coming days"? By Monday, or by next Friday, or? IMO, Putin's "we've only used a fraction of our superior military" statement is primarily aimed at that issue. Russia's "already completed" solution is clearly military, IMO. My only question deals with any amount of advanced warning that Russia will implement its solution as NATO's been warned at least twice now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 21:07 utc | 67

@ Posted by: LogosApplis | Jul 8 2022 16:08 utc | 10

Then the compressor might be at the Côte-de-Liesse Rolls-Royce repair facility in Montreal.

Posted by: Richard L | Jul 8 2022 21:14 utc | 68

From New Jersey, in front of New York City i can not reach the Saker.

Posted by: Ocelote | Jul 8 2022 21:01 utc | 61

I'm in Michigan, and got on ok.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jul 8 2022 21:17 utc | 69

The Saker needs help with IT security; can anybody help?

http://thesaker.is/saker-blog-under-attack-urgent-request-for-help/

Posted by: Dick Lenning | Jul 8 2022 21:20 utc | 70

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 21:07 utc | 64
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We'd know after Russia would take those tough measures...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 21:21 utc | 71

Scott Ritter interviewed by a Russian...https://youtu.be/Cn5O0F3ZG5A

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 21:28 utc | 72

ostro you are a very resourceful thing. you seem to have the complete 'martyanov' file, but to tease us you give just tidbits (with no proof to back it up, of course) like that about the discharge.

now, I have a intimate, very personal, and honest question: do you have anything on me raping my cat some times ago?

i plan on entering politics and would like to know if i'm blackmailable

Posted by: albagen | Jul 8 2022 21:30 utc | 73

Posted by: albagen | Jul 8 2022 21:30 utc | 70
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Go ask the demented One...😋
He might ask Hunter and tell you...maybe...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 8 2022 21:38 utc | 74

Re: #10, #65

Per checking, the turbines per the ria.ru chronicling (still available to read) , and per others here - are Rolls-Royce.

Posted by: LogosApplied | Jul 8 2022 21:39 utc | 75

@63 "...just replace him with the teleprompter."

Excellent suggestion. But I would like to know who is programming the teleprompter. That's the power behind the scenes.

Posted by: dh | Jul 8 2022 21:40 utc | 76

"Ex-NATO commander: Ukraine could deal devastating blow to Kremlin by attacking Kerch Strait bridge linking mainland Russia with Crimea.
Former NATO Commander General Philip Breedlove said Ukraine could carry out the attack with newly supplied Harpoon missiles."

They are too mutch in political populism so that they think in propoganda categories. Yes, it would slightly harm Russia and would cost considerably. But it would not change anything in the battlefield and bridge could be easely repaired. It would be just another propoganda victory.

Crimea was ukrainian land. The population was citizens of Ukraine. But Ukraine wanted to blow up electricity lines in Crimea and cutted Crimea from the water. At the same time they declared that Crimea is occupied. With sutch treatment of their ex population no doubts that they don't want to go back to Ukraine (be liberated).

Same in Donbass. They declared Donetsk region as "temporary occupied territory". At the same time bombed population of Donetsk. They alsou did not offer a language rights for the population of Donetsk and instead were forcing ukrainian language. It is kind of sociopathy.

We will liberate you by bombing you and then force to use our language you consider a rural dialect. This is nowhere a democracy. It is pscychopathy.

I guess they treat most of the population of Ukraine simmilary but to a leaser extent.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 8 2022 21:49 utc | 77

@47 BroncoBilly
=) thanks. Believe it or not, I'm familiar with the concept - started with a degree in smth immediately related to jets and turbomachinery, before I realized the MIC is not for me, and went down a different technical path.

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 22:00 utc | 78

Posted by: Alef | Jul 8 2022 21:49 utc | 74

"I guess they treat most of the population of Ukraine simmilary but to a leaser extent."

That's scumbag nationalism for you.

Posted by: IvanTheNotSoTerrible | Jul 8 2022 22:05 utc | 79

Sorry to post about TheSaker.is but it might help to understand that a DDOS attack works by overloading the webservers. Https is more vulnerable than http because the additional security certificate checks take more time to process. The site will probably become more accessible as the IT guys sort out the source IPs and implement geolocation blocking, Cloudflare etc. It's obviously a political attack and a credit to thesaker. I'm sure B already has anti-DDOS measures ready for what seems a pretty predictable irritation here at MoA, but several mirror sites could be prudent.

Posted by: T Paine | Jul 8 2022 22:07 utc | 80

Michigan Dude@66 Ontario too, after a few hours down.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 8 2022 22:17 utc | 81

I hardly ever post here or on The Saker's blog. I usually just read, and whilist I disagree about sone things you guys you write, I am almost always elated, when you allow a post I wrote to get through and be publiciised, such that, someone might actually read it, and maybe agree, with point of view, which is the basis of free speech

To my amazement, neither The Saker, nor b, has to my knowledge banned me, which engenders massive respect from me.

"Saker blog under attack – URGENT request for help

"Dear friends The Saker blog has been under attack for many months, but we kept it quiet. Our webmaster and sysadmin Herb has successfully beat back all the attacks, but now the enemy has upped both the scale and nature of the attack and we are barely hanging on. I have two urgent requests: 1) If you are an IT security specialist (or can contact one you know) and..."

I might disagree with you, but I believe in Free Speech. I will try to help if I can.

http://thesaker.is/latest-articles/

Tony


Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | Jul 8 2022 22:19 utc | 82

There are many reasons for Russia not to escalate or rush.

One of them is that their “more than ally”, with whom they share 4000km of border, does not want it.

Posted by: Rae | Jul 8 2022 22:19 utc | 83

It must be nearly a month now since the British mercenaries were given the death sentence.
I would imagine that they are appealing, maybe their appeals have already been heard and I missed them, if so I apologise for the oversight.
But what has been strikingly absent has been any diplomatic effort by Johnson to intervene.
It's as though the British Government is begging for the Russians to shoot them.

Posted by: Orchard1 | Jul 8 2022 22:35 utc | 84

German preparations for possibility of physical gas shortage*: Legislators in Bundestag go with some kind of scheme for again permitting mothballed coal power, and they reject delaying shutdown of nuclear power as was proposed by some.

https://themunicheye.com/bundestag-approves-provisional-coal-fired-power-generation-as-gas-substitute-4929

* reminder: no shortage condition yet in continental EU natgas storage, so far it's all financial. The market's price signal is screaming "red alert", however.

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 22:37 utc | 85

http://thesaker.is/sitrep-g7-note-from-maria-zakharova/
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Sitrep G7: Note from Maria Zakharova
1896 Views July 08, 2022 7 Comments
#Opinion by Maria Zakharova
Federal Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock:

“The fact that the Russian Foreign Minister spent most of his time during the talks not in the room, but outside it, highlights the fact that the Russian government is not a single millimetre closer to having talks.”

Can you even make any sense out of what she said? Outside what room? Utter nonsense.

The German public should be aware of the fact that their Foreign Minister Annalena is lying to them. Lavrov was among the audience the moment the G20 meeting started and about two hours later he began to hold bilateral talks with his colleagues who attended this forum in a room next door. This is what other ministers did as well, since in-person forums are held exactly for the purpose of holding meetings and having contacts. Otherwise, everyone would have gone online or sent out their speeches.

Or, maybe Baerbock thinks that the foreign ministers of Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil and other countries also were in the wrong room?

On the other hand, Germans are already beginning to realise who is in power in their country. More than half of the German citizens (58 percent) believe that German Foreign Minister Baerbock should have personally met and held talks with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of the G20 ministerial which is taking place on the Indonesian island of Bali. On Friday, Der Spiegel published a survey by Civey pollster to that effect.

Now, the truth about Baerbock. She said this because the G7’s plan to boycott Russia at the G20 failed. Nobody supported the Western regimes. That is why they are fuming now.

Lavrov made his schedule in advance, including in it the G20 meeting and a dinner on behalf of the hosts, as well as numerous bilateral contacts and communication with international media. The materials, photos and videos are available on the Foreign Ministry’s website and on social media. And neither Annalena nor anyone else can change reality with their lies.

#Opinion by Maria Zakharova
Federal Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock:

“The fact that the Russian Foreign Minister spent most of his time during the talks not in the room, but outside it, highlights the fact that the Russian government is not a single millimetre closer to having talks.”

Can you even make any sense out of what she said? Outside what room? Utter nonsense.

The German public should be aware of the fact that their Foreign Minister Annalena is lying to them. Lavrov was among the audience the moment the G20 meeting started and about two hours later he began to hold bilateral talks with his colleagues who attended this forum in a room next door. This is what other ministers did as well, since in-person forums are held exactly for the purpose of holding meetings and having contacts. Otherwise, everyone would have gone online or sent out their speeches.

Or, maybe Baerbock thinks that the foreign ministers of Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil and other countries also were in the wrong room?

On the other hand, Germans are already beginning to realise who is in power in their country. More than half of the German citizens (58 percent) believe that German Foreign Minister Baerbock should have personally met and held talks with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the sidelines of the G20 ministerial which is taking place on the Indonesian island of Bali. On Friday, Der Spiegel published a survey by Civey pollster to that effect.

Now, the truth about Baerbock. She said this because the G7’s plan to boycott Russia at the G20 failed. Nobody supported the Western regimes. That is why they are fuming now.

Lavrov made his schedule in advance, including in it the G20 meeting and a dinner on behalf of the hosts, as well as numerous bilateral contacts and communication with international media. The materials, photos and videos are available on the Foreign Ministry’s website and on social media. And neither Annalena nor anyone else can change reality with their lies.

Posted by: Peter | Jul 8 2022 22:39 utc | 86

Following up bevin@59, all consideration of multipolarity has to be within a context of the almost eighty year war, around the globe, against socialism. A war in which hundreds of governments have either been overthrown or prevented from taking office, in which tens of millions have been killed in a genocidal (except that it is not about race directly) crusade against reformers- a constant struggle to eradicate heresy in a world in which imperial orthodoxy had very few natural allies. A world in which propaganda against socialised property and services was overwhelming, subordinating much of the intellectual work of the world to narrow tests of orthodoxy.
Multipolarity need involve no particular positives so long as it breaks up the monopolies, financial, intellectual, political and military which have channeled so much energy into so few and such narrow channels.
The past seventy seven years were demonstrations of what open societies are not. And they have left a world in which the police and their death squads (which are inseparable) still dominate many of our institutions because they have been there so long.
To take one example: the BBC to which recruitment was tightly controlled by the secret police has become so shaped that it cannot but act as an agent of the MI5 and its masters the CIA/MIC. The Academy-in which 'the educators are educated" is dominated by anti-socialist pro imperialist authorities which regard any challenge to unipolarity as a dangerous heresy needing to be stamped out in order to preserve civilisation.
All these aspects of the system-facing in a loose alliance of its surviving enemies the first challenge to its hegemony that it has seen since the Soviet Union broke into imperialism's internecine war, thanks to accidental miscalculations in Europe, are on display in the extreme and irrational response it has made to Russia's minimalist attempt to enforce the UN backed Minsk Agreements.
Those who fear nuclear weapons being used are very wise: though there is no military or political justification for their employment such is the irrationality of the Empire that it cannot conceive of life after the search for full spectrum domination. It is incapable of co-existence. It is mad.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 8 2022 22:41 utc | 87

That Putin is able to conduct the war at "greater than necessary" cost of Russian lives, without political cost (so far) is an indicator of the trust the Russian people have in his judgement.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 8 2022 19:27 utc | 46

OK Bemildred, I am not disagreeing with your point, but exactly what do you mean by "greater than unnecessary... lives"? About 27 million Soviet citizens died in the struggle against Nazi Germany (many unnecessarily). Just try to imagine how many Russians will die in a war with the US and NATO. The Russian people understand this, even if westerners don't have a clue. The real question is how many westerners must die before they get a clue?

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 8 2022 23:08 utc | 88

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jul 8 2022 18:30 utc | 34

Instead, Indigenous Rights as clarified in the UNDRIP (UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples) derive from the inherent sovereignty of Indigenous Nations as they existed separately and previously from the 'rights' as developed in the West.

I do not have the relevant citation available but much of what we accept as foundational issues in the present "liberal world order" are directly derived from colonial settler interaction with the Indigenous Peoples of eastern North America.

By the time the European settlers crossed the Ohio watershed and proceeded west they no longer held any respect for the indigenous peoples but engaged in wars of extermination (US) or genocidal programs of forced indoctrination (Canada).

The present day western understanding of Liberalism is best described as "Disneyesque."

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 8 2022 23:10 utc | 89

karlof1 #26

"Posting the URL alone won't work either."

If you could break up the url with a tilde ~ or [space] as the piece to delete, it will likely pass the obstruction. We can reassemble it easily enough.

Thanks for all your posts brother.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2022 23:38 utc | 90

Posted by: bevin | Jul 8 2022 21:00 utc | 59

If multipolarity means independent sovereigns then all will be up to the people, who will take decisions on the bsasis of, ultimately, experience and necessity.

A succinct and hardly inadequate response particularly when contrasted with the present "liberal rules based order" which seeks the destruction of any attempt at sovereignty and enforces an Orwellian world system by means of military and financial diktat, kompromat, surveillance, propaganda, bribery and corruption.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 8 2022 23:44 utc | 91

It seems Hurricane Electric LLC is the bottleneck.

Posted by: bjd | Jul 8 2022 23:51 utc | 92

OK Bemildred, I am not disagreeing with your point, but exactly what do you mean by "greater than unnecessary... lives"? About 27 million Soviet citizens died in the struggle against Nazi Germany (many unnecessarily). Just try to imagine how many Russians will die in a war with the US and NATO. The Russian people understand this, even if westerners don't have a clue. The real question is how many westerners must die before they get a clue?

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 8 2022 23:08 utc | 86

There were complaints that Russia is not doing US-style shock-and-awe in Ukraine, and that hence the Russian military is taking unnecessary casualties. I am not trying to speak for Russians, merely explaining a rationale for what they appear to be doing in Ukraine, i.e. not imitating us. They have political objectives that require it.

The US military is nervous about casualites because they fear popular resistance, that has been the case since VietNam. Putin does not have that problem, yet. He appears to want to keep it that way.

A soldier understands that his life may be forfeit, what he demands is that it not be wasted.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 8 2022 23:53 utc | 93

Posted by: ptb | Jul 8 2022 22:37 utc | 83

German preparations for possibility of physical gas shortage

The Germans could go back to burning books. Lots of thermal value there.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 8 2022 23:53 utc | 94

disorder #28

RF MoD is the same doing as AFU MoD, Putin is the same doing as ZE,its called propaganda, but where is the logic behind Putins and Peskov's statement, if the RF are so superior why don't they use all their power,

Think long term. There will be no nazis. They are being sucked into the magnet of destruction. If that is incomplete, the west will breed another team of nazis to do it all again. Yes the shelling of the free states and cities of eastern Ukraine has been going on for a long time since 2014. Many people have left for their safety and few have yet returned to the shelling zone.

In a month or so the cannons currently shelling the east will be destroyed like they were at the beginning of the SMO. The west keeps supplying new tanks, mortars and cannons and missiles to the SS Ukraine government and military. So the shelling continues.

This war is a war of nazi led army against people who prefer peace and safe government. Remain calm while the nazi magnet destroys these murderous thugs day after day. The west has failed continuously since WW2 to do so and in fact has done the opposite. Russia will finish the job in Ukraine just as Mao did in China by destroying the Japanese and Kuomintang nazis.

Note the significance of biolabs in these times and in those times.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 8 2022 23:59 utc | 95

"Robert Bridge at Strategic Culture talks about Russia opposing liberalism. He's right but I think that he misunderstands what liberalism is."

bevin | Jul 8 2022 18:16 utc | 31
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Thanks, bevin. US propagandists have effectively hijacked the English language to disable communication. Their liberalism is really illiberalism; liberal democracy is really fascism; free market capitalism is really rigged market cannibalism, etc. They've done the same with words like freedom, patriotism, terrorism, torture and so on. We really need a Bullshit-to-English dictionary just to have a meaningful discussion. By calculated cunning, the Empire of Lies sows confusion and chaos to mask its hideous crimes.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jul 9 2022 0:18 utc | 96

he present day western understanding of Liberalism is best described as "Disneyesque."

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 8 2022 23:10 utc | 87

Yes, most people are completely unaware that all our western democracies are all "liberal" ie founded on the supremacy of the individual. As a philosophical movement a few hundred years ago it was a part of the process of western civilisations growing up after monarchical feudalism. But since being co-opted as a political tool by the same feudal lords to harness the masses, it has become an insatiable beast devouring whole civilisations.

Of course US politics are free to use the term to mean something it doesn't, but they can't change history.

Posted by: K | Jul 9 2022 0:26 utc | 97

@83, ptb, physical shortages as opposed to virtual shortages?
I would like to say that Russia and China have the absolute best diplomats anywhere. It's part of their culture. The US? Not so much. The days of Vulture Culture seem to be numbered.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jul 9 2022 0:35 utc | 98

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2022 21:07 utc | 64
Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that the harsh solution will be a special military operation? There are many options Russia could do that aren’t necessarily harsh (like, cut off the gas and electricity to the eu entirely and make them really feel the pain.)
As someone who has extreme anxiety, I want there to be a diplomatic solution to this instead of outright war that can escalate to nuclear levels. It doesn’t confort me that the end of the world can be as little as a week away.

Posted by: Mathew Palmieri | Jul 9 2022 0:40 utc | 99

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 8 2022 23:10 utc | 87

Current understandings of liberalism/capitalism stray very far from their initial foundations. If you look at Smith's understanding, which was one where he viewed the English system through rose colored glasses, the liberalism of his day was moral because it followed the tenets I listed (individual rights, free market, rule of law, rep. govt) along with the ideas that the free market had free and equal access to markets and information as its core and a fair distribution of wealth. The truth, in practice, as I pointed out to CalDre so long ago, is that the current form of financial capitalism, and older versions, derive most of their profits (surplus value) by manipulating free and equal access to information and markets thus allowing huge profits because some people (mostly the bottom 90% to 95% of the population) do not have the knowledge and access to level the playing field thus creating a relatively unfair distribution of wealth. Ultimate irony that capitalism only prospers when capitalists do not follow the tenets of its most famous progenitor.

This leads to so many inhumane outcomes - like slavery, and the westward expansion of the "Empire of Liberty" which based some of its philosophical underpinnings of Vatel's concept of land usage and the myth that Indigenous Nations were not 'using' the land productively. As bevin has noted, among others, attempts to gain control of the market through governmental reforms or political organization are systematically thwarted (save China, USSR, Cuba). Operation Gladio, COINTELPRO, etc...are the direct attempts to prevent different forms of societal organization that would move power and wealth from its current locations.

I was lucky to begin to start to get mentored by Arthur Manuel, son of George Manuel (write of the Fourth World - a seminal work in the development of the political movement of Indigenous people in Canada, the US and beyond) before he passed away. He was a chief, as was his father, of the Secwepmc people (prounounced Shuswap) who never lost a battle to the British or Canada and never signed a treaty with any government. They never officially ceded power to others over their land as other Indigenous Nations in Canada had, and as I believe, all Indigenous Nations in the United States have. (Although a strong argument can be made that those concessions and treaties were signed in very dubious and illegal manners) They have retained their right and power over their land from time immemorial and never ceded that. Yet, the BC and Canadian governments act as if that is unimportant and make decisions over land and resources in traditional Secwepmc territory as if they were given control over the land. Even Canadian courts, and remember Canada has done a much better job than most nations in terms of respecting Indigenous Nations, reserves power in the Canadian central government to go against Indigenous nations whenever it deems it necessary.

I also learned in my six person history seminar with Vine Deloria, Jr (one of the greatest thinkers and most influential Native Americans ever) of the three different European approaches to interaction with Indigenous Nations. The Spanish tried create colonies and wanted to convert their newly conquered peoples to Christianity and make them Spanish citizens - subservient to the crown. There was much cruelty and the creation of the Casta system of racial hierarchy, but a sense of unequal inclusion. The French mostly wanted to trade with the Indigenous Nations and intermingled with the various tribes as equals. There was less of move to colonize and convert Indigenous peoples to become European, but there were French who wanted to do so. The English wanted to kick the Indigenous off the land and take it over. They did not want to make new citizens, but a New England. That said, the English did try to make treaties and did often work hard to keep the terms of their treaties with the Indigenous Nations. However, the unruly colonists did not care much for British foreign policy and simply kept spreading west without care. The American approach mostly followed the British model, but even George Washington was unable to prevent the crazy American people from moving west, eventually mustering troops to 'protect' settlers. That continue unabated with treaty after treat broken as Americans moved west into Indigenous lands causing conflicts which the US government eventually settled with force. Eventually, America simply took whatever it wanted despite what the US Supreme Court might say. I think President Andrew Jackson famously said after SCOTUS affirmed Cherokee claims, "Well, the Court has made its decision, let them enforce it." I didn't look up the quote to see if it's accurate.

We're all being scammed and gaslighted non-stop...now it's time for me to stop. Sorry for this long post.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jul 9 2022 0:49 utc | 100

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