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July 04, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-103

(An unexpected family issue kept me busy today. As I had no time to read and write this will be the only thread today.)

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict ...

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Posted by b on July 4, 2022 at 17:20 UTC | Permalink

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@195
Gazprom announced a few days ago they plan to also sell LNG for rubles. Now only pipe gas is using rubles. France is buying record amounts of LNG from Russia exactly for this reason.

What is very funny is that rumors say EU will announce a new plan to pay some companies to shut down in order to reduce electricity usage. They think that will hurt Russia's gas sales which are used for electricity in EU. At this moment the worker's strike in Norway will lower country's output of gas by 25% and oil by 15%.

Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2022 10:44 utc | 201

Finland was promised LNG from the US, which was hailed as the salvation. However, it may not materialize after an incident in one of the US facilities in early June. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-regulator-finds-unsafe-conditions-freeport-lng-export-facility-bars-restart-2022-06-30/ It might be a "winter of discontent" as the operations will not be resumed for a few more months.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 5 2022 10:53 utc | 202

Yes, let's marshal these measured movements of victory.

On to Mordor!

"Z"

Posted by: john | Jul 5 2022 10:54 utc | 203

Relevant I think to SMO, and Euro debauchery, is the farmers protests in Denmark. Amoured vehicles sent out to quell farmers on tractors. Interesting times. We are watching the breakdown of Europe. Coming soon to a theater close to all of us who live in the so called west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 10:57 utc | 204

or Holland?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 5 2022 11:04 utc | 205

Wheels are coming off. Breaking News from Financial Times: Norway’s Equinor is temporarily shutting down three oil and gasfields after workers went on strike, intensifying regional supply troubles and pushing European gas prices to a four-month high.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 5 2022 11:06 utc | 206

The farmer protests are in the Netherlands, not Denmark.

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jul 5 2022 11:06 utc | 207

Fred | Jul 5 2022 4:27 utc | 148

Russia also said that they want NATO borders where they were in 1997
That statement, from last year, it's often overlooked. In 1997 NONE of the former EASTERN European countries were in the NATO. So, ALL the new entries are now in danger.
(He wrote 1991, but thats not my point.)

This is a misunderstanding I frequently encountered. The russion demands can be found at https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/rso/nato/1790803/?lang=en. There in article four it says

The Russian Federation and all the Parties that were member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as of 27 May 1997, respectively, shall not deploy military forces and weaponry on the territory of any of the other States in Europe in addition to the forces stationed on that territory as of 27 May 1997. With the consent of all the Parties such deployments can take place in exceptional cases to eliminate a threat to security of one or more Parties.

Russia has no problems with the other new Nato members. But they dont want US and other NATO bases in these countries, and no missile bases and atomary weapons.

Posted by: Rüdiger | Jul 5 2022 11:07 utc | 208

Japan will have neither oil nor gas from Russia. The same applies to the Sakhalin-2 LNG project - Medvedev

This sounds super metal bordering on industrial nation ending. But I don't know how much oil & gas Japan imported from Russian before.

I wonder why the Russians are so miffed at precisely the Japanese. Japan have enacted sanctions, etc. but as far as I know, they have not sent weapons - unlike the Europeans.

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jul 5 2022 11:11 utc | 209

EVIDENCE TO PARLIAMENT

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 1:27 utc | 120

Wow, the de facto character assasination with a perfect comme il faut facials and words toning.
But then, SS uniform was designed by the best civilized artist that still operate as Hugo Boss transnational.

It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 5 2022 11:21 utc | 210

Tokyo has been a meeting point for the vipers who have been plotting to end Russia's "dominance" (read: presence) in the Pacific. In May Charles Michel (European Council), Ursula (European Commission), some other minor dignitaries, like the PM of Finland, and then of course Biden have descended on the city to hatch their plans, like the pipedream Nato 2.0 called Blue Pacific etc. This may have to do with the long-term plan to break Russia to pieces, pointed out by b when he wrote about the "decolonization" of Russia.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 5 2022 11:22 utc | 211

I wonder why the Russians are so miffed at precisely the Japanese

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jul 5 2022 11:11 utc | 208

May it be because Japanes puppet goverment said they would be setting price to Russian gas and oil, not the market and not Moscow?

Medvedev's direct statement: https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/133

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 5 2022 11:23 utc | 212

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 5 2022 11:04 utc | 204
Rune Denmark | Jul 5 2022 11:06 utc | 206

Correct. Just testing.
Nah I drink too much and... foocked up.

https://twitter.com/search?q=holland%20farmers%20protest&src=typed_query&f=top

https://twitter.com/search?q=manure&src=typed_query

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 11:24 utc | 213

Uncle Tungsten @ 185, Osteo @ 186:

Zelensky would be safest in a maximum-security prison in some small or remote Russian town where he would not be readily recognised and assassins from the SBU, Mossad or MI6 cannot reach him without being noticed by the townspeople or tracked by Russian intel.

The fool though is likely to run to his multi-million dollar villa in Italy or some other expensive hidey-hole in the West. Maybe he'll even get his own TV talkshow or comedy series and replicate his puerile piano-playing antics.

Posted by: Jen | Jul 5 2022 11:26 utc | 214

@208
Japan demands islands back now, refuse to accept WW2 and sign peace treaty. Also didn't they steal >30 billion from Russia as part of sanctions?

In Sakhalin 2 they had a share of 20% if I remember correctly. Losing that share means they'll have to buy gas on the open market where everyone else fights for gas too. This will add a cost of tens of billions yearly (their estimation) at current gas prices and gas price will increase a lot more. With a ruined Japan economy, more profit for uncle Samantha

Posted by: rk | Jul 5 2022 11:27 utc | 215

> Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jul 5 2022 11:06 utc | 206

Neverlands, Holland, Dutchmen... Really, the world would be so much a simpler place just without them there, trying to confuse us all by their mere existence :-)

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 5 2022 11:29 utc | 216

Rune Denmark | Jul 5 2022 11:06 utc | 206
Jonathan W | Jul 5 2022 11:04 utc | 204

Yep. I effed up and Holland is correct. Tried posting twice with links to videos but neither has appeared.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 11:31 utc | 217

Tried posting twice with links to videos but neither has appeared.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 11:31 utc | 215

Doubling down rarely helps. When trying again add a space before each dot in the link. The robotic filter would probably no more recognize it, and human reder would be able to copy and reconstruct

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 5 2022 11:32 utc | 218

Arioc@209..'It is difficult...' apt description of a System Pig.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 5 2022 11:39 utc | 219

Nothing factually surprising (beyond the usual lies and misrepresentations) but an interesting attempt at rationalisation rather than outright denial.

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2022/07/05/leuropa-ha-finito-le-armi-per-sostenere-kiev-la-russia-ha-ancora-riserve-da-vendere-nato-allargata-si-da-un-pretesto-a-mosca-lanalisi/6649637/

(Google Translate)

“Europe has run out of weapons to support Kiev. Russia still has reserves to sell. Born enlarged? Moscow is given a pretext ”- the analysis

"Soon we will not send anything more because we will have nothing to send". Tiziano Ciocchetti, head of the online defense arms world, explains how, where and why Europe and Italy have run out of stocks, what happens to them and what effects all this will have for the conflict. A war that "creates conditions for others, which affect us closely, but we are ignoring"

“Europe has done its utmost, and in fact it has run out of stocks . Russia has some to sell and will go on , that's all ". 'Everything here' is the way in which Tiziano Ciocchetti , expert in the world of weapons of the online defense magazine, dismisses the easy enthusiasm and puts the wagons of a train running one after the other without a destination and with many uncontrolled deviations. “Personally, I can say that the idea of ​​Russia running out of ammunition, men and weapons is absolutely fanciful. Have you seen the attack on the mall? They used a missile from 60 years agoand they are full of this stuff, the Russians have arsenals to sell ”. On the other hand, in the eyes of the expert, it is clear that the West has no more to give to Ukraine and is scratching the bottom of the barrel. "The Germany that has given more than all can certainly not give up, Italy does not even have the ammunition for its soldiers and will end up sending the last things just to say that it does not withdraw , but at this point everyone, including the States United, they know that what we send makes no difference ”.

Incidentally, it serves to slow down the inevitable, to make victory more expensive for Putin, but not to reverse the fate of the conflict. "We will go to a slowdown if not zeroing of supplies, also because what we send - are artillery systems, cannons and howitzers - the Russians shred it" . By now, says Ciocchetti, a huge pocket has been created in the Donbass in which weapons enter from the western part of the Dnieper and are conveyed towards the battlefield, but "every square meter is under fire from the Russian artillery which is the most powerful in the world. . So English howitzers, Italian Fh70sor Germans are all destroyed. Any weapon system that enters that range is destroyed and if it does not happen it is only because it is kept within a range of 70 km, which is the maximum range, but sooner or later the Russians arrive there too ”. The comparison of the infusion to the dying person returns. So what will happen?

That at a certain point we Europeans will no longer send anything , because we will no longer have anything to send. Just look at what Italy sends after all. Because then it is one thing to provide the stocks you have already paid for and the State gives to Ukraine, another to dent what is needed for national defense or to invest in production that takes years and money, since the industries must then be paid . I think what remains will be destroyed by the Russians who will close the game as far as the east side of the Dnieper is concerned. It is not that they can conquer all of Ukraine, but this has been said since the first days of the invasion. We must not forget that there is also a man problem : you train Ukrainian crews to use the PzH2000, but it's the same crews that are destroyed by artillery fire, it's not like you have crews indefinitely ”. And the announcements of a possible victory with an " August counter-offensive ?" “They are part of the war propaganda , to keep morale high, to say that the game is not lost, a bit like the attacks on Russian territory. The truth is that the weapons we have given to Ukraine allow them to have tactical but not strategic successes , they can give you an advantage locally but do not change the final situation ”. In a context, however, made so complicated by the ongoing conflict that the word "end" will not even be written in Ukraine.

“Europe has done its utmost, more than that it certainly could not. What it may be difficult to understand is what to do next , in a situation that does not end with an end to hostilities, what was there before is no longer there and will remain a Cold War situation , of latent belligerence that will be fought elsewhere. , in the Sahel or in Iran ”. Ciocchetti's belief is that Europe, and with it Italy, is giving very little weight to what happens outside the area where the fight is taking place, but that it deserves attention. “I saw the images of the Algerian army parade, it seems the Red Square for how many weapons it has, supplied in the space of five years by Russia itself. In Africa it is the most powerful army today, and history teaches that by accumulating weapons, sooner or later you use them. Libya against Egypt, rather than in the Sahel, if Algeria fights Libya in Niger, it puts its hand to resources that not even those of the USA are comparable: oil, natural gas, precious minerals, plutonium ... Our policy deals with something else and does not realize what nations that are a few hundred kilometers from our sea are doing. Do we realize? Libya is about to explode ”. What about the Americans in all of this?

“The Americans - says Ciocchetti - have invested enormous resources in this war since 2014, several billion since the day of the invasion. In my opinion the Biden administration has already given the loss of the Donbass and the east side of the Dnieper as a fait accompli. The issue of the supply of weapons is to inflict as much damage as possible on the Russians. What it would have been like if there hadn't been Western supplies, because it would have been over long ago. Biden has ridden that wave and has to promise aid but the history of American interventionism is full of sudden retreats, from Vietnam in 1975 to last year's ignominious flight from Kabul. "

What do you think about the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO? “I think it was a mistake because it offers pretexts to Moscow that we didn't need. The Baltic Sea is now fully controlled by NATO, and there is that spit of Kaliningrad land which is 140 km away from Alliance territory. In the eyes of the Russians it is an even worse provocation than the efforts to westernize Ukraine. I see it as a provocationunnecessary that corroborates Putin's attempts to make sense of his war. The point is, superpowers should be treated as such, you can't sting Tyson thinking he won't punch you. Moreover, with the modalities that Erdogan imposes: I also wrote it is not that he takes the Kurds, they gave them to him in the Western Mediterranean. But who defends us from him, if the US does not defend us? This is the problem with the decision of Sweden and Finland. Not so much what happens with Russia, but what happens to us in the Mediterranean. Because Erdogan has imposed his point of view as an autarchic politician. We, on the other hand, do not know how to defend ours ”.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 5 2022 11:43 utc | 220

Russia demanding payments rubles is a good move. However, for now it’s symbolic. What does Gasprom bank do with those Euros? It has to sell it.

Posted by: RB | Jul 5 2022 10:13 utc | 195
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Both accounts, Ruble and foreign currency, in the Gasprombank is the client's, Gasprombank only helps client to sell the foreign currency, and if that will be sold, it will fill the client's ruble account. The responsibility of getting the foreign currency sold is still the client's not Gazprombank's. That's the gimmick in this...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 5 2022 11:52 utc | 221

West running out of ammo...? Safari types call the Ukraine high intensity.
Current Russian military was born in - for Russia - the great patriotic war, for the west WWII.
This is high intensity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_bjuREfUbU&t=385s

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 11:53 utc | 222

PeterAu1@166, and all coinage back then was non ferrous, run a magnet over today's coinage, wee bits of stamped tin shit.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 5 2022 11:54 utc | 223

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 11:53 utc | 220
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That's the idea...get the fools to deplete themselves...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 5 2022 11:55 utc | 224

Posted by: ostro | Jul 5 2022 11:52 utc | 219

AFAIR it actually is GPB's responsibility, exactly to ley western clients feign innocense ("we paid with euro, it was GPB which did russian domestic technicalities we could not care less for").

Granted, as the whole scheme gets fait accompli and new business as usual, it can be attuned again. Whay if there would be no buyers for euro on Moscoe Exhange now that West defaulted on Euro as currency?.. Whay then?

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 5 2022 12:15 utc | 225

Roger @159
"I stick to global measurements of greenhouse gases (NOAA) and average surface temperatures over time (NASA GISS), which show a perfectly clear trend.

Correlation does not prove causation. Especially when the correlation is so poor prior to 1960.
Since "The science was settled" in 2001, the data from the CERES satellite instrument shows quite unambiguously that the modern warming was the result of decreased cloud cover, not increased atmospheric CO2. Some top climate scientists know this, and create convoluted ad hoc hypotheses to explain it away as another effect of increased CO2. The data shows the cause and effect is against this however.

But whereas you can tax people for emitting CO2, you can't tax the Sun or clouds. For this reason, slavish adherence to the policy based evidence provided by the institutions paid to generate it will continue.

It's remarkable that people who see so easily through war propaganda are completely accepting of other propaganda that they are so confident is dismissing sceptics in such disparaging terms.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Jul 5 2022 12:19 utc | 226

Eighthman @ 134

Euro at $1.03 this morning and moving down steeply.

I would suggest that price of either dollar or euro is mainly based on habit at this point. Impossible to assign a value.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 5 2022 12:23 utc | 227

In Response to Ricardo Ramirez | Jul 5 2022 10:11 utc | 194

Ricardo,

You seem to have a high enough horse there to keep you from getting enough oxygen to your brain.

What is obvious to me is that your cognitive ability is impaired.

Any "infection" can kill you if you ignore it and don't treat it or simply wait until the infection is bad enough before you implement dangerous invasive "treatments" which exacerbates things even unto death.

The original Corona-19 virus, left untreated as was the directed protocol of the time (go home until you you have trouble breathing, then come back when you are REALLY sick), wasn't notably "deadly" any more than lots of other virii when treated upon appearance of symptoms.

The scam of pushing untested and improperly labeled experimental therapies as vaccines as the ONLY treatment did the vast majority of the killing that filled the morgues.

Patients died like flies due to inappropriate and/or lack of care until critical... Real Doctors ignored the "officials" and treated their patients, quite successfully at that. That cohort wasn't "dying like flies".

Apparently you just want to ignore all that...

Posted by: doesitreallymatter | Jul 5 2022 12:48 utc | 228

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 5 2022 11:54 utc | 224

I looked up Australian coinage some time back as I was looking for alloys for bushings. I was looking for gold and silver. Our gold coins are aluminium bronze alloy and silver coins were some other crap alloy that I don't remember now. I guess their scrap value would be a little better than paper currency.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 13:05 utc | 229

Posted by: watcher | Jul 5 2022 4:18 utc | 149

"I do not think China has been in the empire stakes seriously since the collapse of the Ming dynasty. the Quing were mongol invaders."

I think it's the other way around: Ming were post Mongols starting in 1368 but much of the Mongol Empire abroad still remained for quite some time because Genghis' greatest contribution to the world was a Rule of Law which worked.

Eurasia is even now most likely working on something along those lines (Law) for what will become an even bigger Empire, though with the multipolar principle in operation it will be more like a semi-decentralized civilization rather than a One People Empire.

Am still waiting for them to give more than the one-word definition....

But we'll see: the temptation to centralize has nearly always won out and once that happens corruption and collapse inevitably follow.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 13:14 utc | 230

Both accounts, Ruble and foreign currency, in the Gasprombank is the client's, Gasprombank only helps client to sell the foreign currency, and if that will be sold, it will fill the client's ruble account. The responsibility of getting the foreign currency sold is still the client's not Gazprombank's. That's the gimmick in this...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 5 2022 11:52 utc | 222

Who has the rubles to buy the Euros? My understanding is that it is Gasprombank that does the selling. Otherwise why the two accounts (reminder that the Euro account at Gasprom bank is part of the central ledger of ECB)? The companies could just open one ruble account and buy rubles at a forex exchange). All is not so simple.

Posted by: RB | Jul 5 2022 13:18 utc | 231

Posted by: Roger | Jul 5 2022 5:40 utc | 164


Thanks for the recommendations.

I found Andre Gunder Frank's ReOrient a terrific read about 20 years ago.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 13:22 utc | 232

More interesting info on the economic background here (in case anyone has missed it):

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/07/michael-hudson-a-depression-is-coming.html

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jul 5 2022 14:02 utc | 233

"Earth Into Property" by Anthony J Hall is a huge book, but an incredible history of the creation of the thing we call "property". Roger@164
Equally good is Hall's "The American Empire and the Fourth World."
Hall seems to have disappeared in recent years. He used to be at the University of Lethbridge where he taught globalisation Studies.
Two great books unknown to most Canadians but worthy of a world wide audience.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 14:06 utc | 234

DunGroanin
The Ukrainian refugees after 1945 generally arrived in Montreal, by sea, and moved west, to Ontario and all the way to BC.
Among the conditions that they took into account wre:
1/ Quebec was ruled by a highly nationalistic, conserative party (Union Nationale) that was very Catholic and anti-English. They welcomed the Ukrainians as fascists and catholics and non anglophones.

2/Social Credit, which has always had fascistic characteristics, ruled in both Alberta and BC, in Alberta it ruled uninterruptedly until 1960s. It was evangelistic, anti-Union and ugly. The Univesity of Alberta became a centre of Ukrainian studies.

3/Most of the refugees settled in Ontario, large numbers in Toronto where they began to exercise political muscle. My guess is that they drifted to the Orange areas of the province, despite their Catholicism-bigotry trumps doctrine.
Both the WSWS and Cynthia Chung have written good stuff on this subject as has John Helmer.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 14:24 utc | 235

Jams O'Donnell@234
The biggest depression that there has ever been- the 1930s dwarfed by comparison. Unless, as seems likely to me, something is done by popular demand to transform the system. One thing that strikes me is that imperial hegemony has meant that the financial system has been relatively easy to control, markets have been manipulated and 'confidence' left in the hands of the Mighty Wurlitzer.
Now with real indications of fault lines between blocs of economic rivals and direct attempts against the reserve currency and thus the entire swath of international (aka US) institutions such as the World Bank, IMF, WTO etc etc, the markets might begin to respond to pressures which have long been building.
At the very moment when the fantasists at Davos plan to gather the strings more tightly into their fists, the system they think that they are surfing is about to explode, elemental forces are unloosed.
Act II of this Opera remains to be scripted.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 14:38 utc | 236

Qing= Manchu

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 14:40 utc | 237

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 14:06 utc | 235

I believe Tony Hall was purged from U of Lethbridge for "anti-semitism" after he began to reference publicly evidence suggesting that Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks.

Posted by: alms | Jul 5 2022 14:47 utc | 238

Re: Ukrainian diaspora in Canada

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 14:24 utc | 236

I lived in the heart of the Ukrainian diaspora in Toronto (West Toronto, East Etobicoke) for 30 years. They were friends and neighbours and our children played together. Almost all were interested in assimilation and did not teach their children the Ukrainian language. Many Orthodox eventually abandoned its strictness for softer "gospel hall" form of Christianity.

Of the estimated 1.4 million Canadians of Ukrainian descent, far less than 1% are active politically.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 5 2022 15:12 utc | 239

Opport Knocks | Jul 5 2022 15:12 utc | 240
That's my experience just south of Georgian Bay, too. It is a little bit more complicated, I think, there are old post war stories that are repeated and become doctrine, this is especially the case re Russia, but on the whole few people become involved in politics or have the time to.
Aren't most Galicians Uniates?

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 15:45 utc | 240

I should have added: as to the pre-1940 Ukrainians they constituted a very left wing group and, on the Prairies I believe they tended to be CCF. I remember meeting some of them in the early 70s- very pro Soviet.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 15:47 utc | 241

@Kingsmeg #105

You’re right about the camera recording at 25 fps—it’s obvious from the timestamp in the video. I’ve made screenshots of the two frames where the missile is visible (1, 2) and measured the missile to be 100 px long in the first frame and 78 px long in the second frame for an average of 89 px and the tip-to-tip distance between the frames to be 180 px, meaning that the distance traveled by the missile in 40 ms is 2.0 times its apparent length.

If the camera used a global shutter, the missile’s apparent length would be equal to its real length, resulting in a speed of 2.0 ⋅ 11.65 / 0.04 = 582.5 m/s = 2097 km/h = Mach 1.70. However, the camera clearly uses a rolling shutter, as can be seen in the frame with the explosion (3): only the lower half of the frame is lit because the upper half was recorded before the explosion.

Since the camera is using a rolling shutter, the missile’s apparent length is longer than its real length. In the second frame, I’ve measured the vertical distance from missile’s rear to its tip to be 11.3% of the image height. The formula for the apparent length then is:

        apparent length = 11.65 + 0.113 ⋅ sensor readout time ⋅ speed

while the formula for the speed is:

        speed = 2.0 ⋅ apparent length / 0.04

Substituting the former into the latter and regrouping, we get:

        speed = 582.5 / (1 − 5.65 ⋅ sensor readout time)

The sensor readout time can’t be longer than the frame duration (in this case, 40 ms) and is usually somewhat shorter. Here’s a table of a few possible values, with corresponding missile speeds:

    Sensor   Missile
    readout  speed
    time,
    ms       m/s  km/h  Mach
38 742 2671 2.16 35 726 2614 2.12 30 701 2524 2.04 25 678 2441 1.98

So, it seems that this missile’s terminal speed was slower than the one listed for Kh-22 in Wikipedia.

Posted by: S | Jul 5 2022 17:17 utc | 242

oldhippy @228 If the Euro and GBP get 1:1 parity with the USD, would it be possible to lock them all together, what would this entail, and what could this create?

Posted by: wink | Jul 5 2022 17:19 utc | 243

@ Bevin "Social Credit, which has always had fascistic characteristics, ruled in both Alberta and BC, in Alberta it ruled uninterruptedly until 1960s. It was evangelistic, anti-Union and ugly."

I assume you're talking here about the Social Credit Party, not Social Credit as a distributionist, fairly anti-statist idea (favored by Chesterton, Dorothy Day and many others). Is that fair to say? Did the Ukrainian ex-pats dominate the party? My knowledge of this era of Canadian history is, unfortunately, close to nil.

Your posts, by the way, have been stellar! Are you the same Bevin who used to post on MOA many years ago?

Posted by: Dave Hopkins | Jul 5 2022 17:40 utc | 244

@ S | Jul 5 2022 17:17 utc | 243

Your calculations would be correct if the missile were moving in a plane perpendicular to the camera sensor. It's not. It is moving from directly above the camera position to the horizon in the image, in a total of 3 frames (1st frame when missile is directly above the camera, thus doesn't appear in the image). This is what I used to estimate the missile was moving 5 times its length every frame, I tried to estimate the distance from the camera to the explosion, divided by the length of the missile.

Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jul 5 2022 18:16 utc | 245

Dave Hopkins@245
That's fair, although GK was pretty careless about the company he kept. Still, any friend of Cobbett...
Social Credit was the vehicle chosen by the right in BC to unite the Liberals and Tories to "Keep the Socialist Hordes" at bay, in the fifties. It was corrupt and in office grew very corrupt.
In Alberta it actually began while Major Douglas was still around. Interestingly both Alberta and Saskatchewan, the right and left outliers of Canadian politics in the 30s-60s, were orginally settled by refugees from the US west "In God we Trusted. In Kansas we Busted" had a third sentence "And to Canada, and very cheap land, we fled. The twin souls of Populism: Socialism in Saskatchewan and Bill Aberhardt's blend of evangelical christian nastiness and licking business's boots in Alberta.
Then there were the Creditistes, pietist Catholic ultras with almost fascist policies, based in Quebec and found in francophone Ontario too.
I have, as you noted, been posting here for years. One day I might even pay 'b' a part of what I owe him.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 18:28 utc | 246

wink@244
It would confirm the colonial status of the EU and UK and end their last defences to being looted.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 18:30 utc | 247

Having to pay for oil etc in rubles gives value to that currency.

It’s similar to the MMT concept that paying taxes and fines gives value to a currency. You have to come up with that currency to pay them.

Buyers of oil will have to come up with rubles. Either work for them or see how many you can get with euros or USD.

I think new currencies will also be more socialist oriented than capitalist oriented which will lead to less speculation.

Posted by: financial matters | Jul 5 2022 18:51 utc | 248

For all the enlightened British on this site Sajid Javid and Richie Sunak have resigned. Howzat Bojo!!!

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jul 5 2022 20:34 utc | 249

Bevin @247 Many thanks for the details! I also am a fan of William Cobbett.

Posted by: Dave Hopkins | Jul 5 2022 21:21 utc | 250

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 4 2022 22:42 utc | 91

Thanks for the advice, Karlof1, will do and do keep posting, you are one of the few making this blog worthwhile visiting, top marks for it.

Posted by: Baron | Jul 5 2022 22:43 utc | 251

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jul 5 2022 0:15 utc | 104

Thanks, Doug.

Posted by: Baron | Jul 5 2022 22:45 utc | 252

@Kingsmeg #245:

Your calculations would be correct if the missile were moving in a plane perpendicular to the camera sensor. It's not.

You probably meant to say “in a plane parallel to the camera sensor”, in which case measuring the pixel length of the missile in only a single frame would be sufficient. Obviously, that wasn’t the case—that’s why I measured its pixel length in two frames and took the average of those measurements to approximate its speed (expressed in its apparent lengths).

It is moving from directly above the camera position…

No it’s not. The camera clearly does not have a fisheye lens, so when you see the missile at the edge of the image in the first frame, it’s not “above the camera position”—it’s already above the storage yard. That means your calculation is off roughly by a factor of 2, i.e., the result should be close to what I have calculated.

Posted by: S | Jul 10 2022 20:43 utc | 253

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