(An unexpected family issue kept me busy today. As I had no time to read and write this will be the only thread today.)
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July 4, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-103
(An unexpected family issue kept me busy today. As I had no time to read and write this will be the only thread today.) Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The current open thread for other issues is here.
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I just ran across this investigative journalist Posted by: Don Midwest | Jul 4 2022 17:33 utc | 1 Will Russia incorporate *all* of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast? Posted by: librul | Jul 4 2022 17:34 utc | 2 Will Russia incorporate *all* of Ukraine’s Black Sea coast? Posted by: RB | Jul 4 2022 17:43 utc | 3 @ Don Midwest | Jul 4 2022 17:33 utc Posted by: John Dowser | Jul 4 2022 17:47 utc | 4 Looks like Armageddon is coming but I am not sure if we need to worry about it. When the dinosaurs disappeared, Homo Sapiens showed up, something else will take over after we are gone, it’s just natural cycle after all. The only difference is that the dinosaurs are too dumb to create their own Armageddon. Posted by: ETA | Jul 4 2022 17:50 utc | 5 WTF is wrong with Igor, “Strelkov”, Girkin? Yeah, I know he is still buthurt from losing his position years ago, but he is way out of line. Even in face of constant and faster results and successes, he is trying to spin the current situation as some sort of “desaster” for Russia. Posted by: Pobeda | Jul 4 2022 17:53 utc | 6 “Zbigniew Brzezinski was a spokesman on foreign policy for the leading US elites. He wrote that America was going to take total control of the world and wanted everyone to go along with the plan of US domination “for the good of the world.” The book explains the hows and whys of that plan. It was similar to how now the Davos based World Economic Forum (WEF) promotes their plans for The Great Reset “for your own good whether you like it or not.” Posted by: Kana | Jul 4 2022 17:58 utc | 7 Does anyone other noticed some strange anomalies in the Kremenchug missile attack videos? Seems to me no one is really interested in these. Posted by: Nemo | Jul 4 2022 17:58 utc | 8 Deployment of small nuclear generators would be a good thing. Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 18:05 utc | 9 Now… this is the MoA I know … Posted by: crone | Jul 4 2022 18:12 utc | 10 Posted by: ETA | Jul 4 2022 17:50 utc | 5 Posted by: AnAlienWithoutName | Jul 4 2022 18:17 utc | 11 Deployment of small nuclear generators would be a good thing. And needed for any form of energy security (in terms of CO2, geopolitics, resource diversification. The link with Schwab and WEF is not surprising with their “4th industrial revolution” framework which is somewhat compatible with “4th generation nuclear reactors” – as a fusion of technologies which might be disruptive. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jul 4 2022 18:21 utc | 12 The wishes (or a dream) of the Lords of the “Western” armament industry – of the US and its colonies – would be that the production speed of their factories should approach, as closely as possible, the speed at which their weapons are destroyed in the Ukraine. But if the “West” is not careful, and does not balance the situation well between the quantities and the two speeds in question, it risks demilitarizing itself as well. Beyond Ukraine the whole “West”. Posted by: Noémio Ramos | Jul 4 2022 18:33 utc | 13 @Nemo #8 Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jul 4 2022 18:33 utc | 14 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | Jul 4 2022 18:36 utc | 15 a missile frozen on a ‘surveillance camera video’ Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 18:36 utc | 16 Kana [7] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 4 2022 18:37 utc | 17 Until the last Ukrainian, and the exhaustion of cannon fodder. Posted by: Noémio Ramos | Jul 4 2022 18:40 utc | 18 I can’t shake the feeling that the “collective west”* (as in: north America and most of the member states of the EU and a couple of vassals like Australia, but not necessarily Japan or South Korea) have gone No Limit Texas Hold’em all in with full confidence and squandered away pretty much all of what they have because they colossaly misjudged their opponents’ hand. They really did believe with full conviction their own bullshit about meaningless and poor Russia and intellectually deficit copycat China and the forgettable “autocratic and dictatorial” rest of the world (a large part of which is India, not to mention Africa which I even harder don’t know absoulutely nothing about) and now that things don’t turn out the way they imagined they would they are stuck in the mud with no direction left to go to – the adage of the submarine in the desert comes to mind, but it is usually reserved to more competent people stuck in less predictable outcomes. Posted by: pachinko | Jul 4 2022 18:45 utc | 19 Kana @ 7 Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 4 2022 18:52 utc | 20 International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.– Brzezinski cerca 1972 Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jul 4 2022 18:52 utc | 21 Pachinko wins the metaphor contest. The west is playing poker and bluffing; unfortunately for the west, Eurasia is playing chess. Posted by: Lex | Jul 4 2022 18:55 utc | 22 Great Interview with Jacques Baud, a real military expert (Swiss Military Intel, UN, NATO) – in german: Posted by: Sirius | Jul 4 2022 18:56 utc | 23 so Russia is indeed about to kick off at least for now the industrial mobilization. Apparently preparing a general mobilization for the winter campaign. Interesting. This is something I first read somewhere then confirmed by the military channel. Posted by: windwaves | Jul 4 2022 19:01 utc | 24 They really did believe with full conviction their own bullshit Posted by: A.L. | Jul 4 2022 19:10 utc | 25 @Kingsmeg #14 Posted by: physprof | Jul 4 2022 19:16 utc | 26 Will the Germans ever fracking learn ? I think not, it seems as fanatic militarism is absorbed by mother’s milk, I do not understand. It seems as Hamburg and Dresden are completely forgotten. Believe me, next time nothing will live in the ruins for a thousand years. Russia has never made silly threats, it is a country that has experienced so much war that it is a part of their culture. Go and visit Mos film, and see for your self, fantastic productions many from Soviet era, but marvellous movies. Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Jul 4 2022 19:26 utc | 27 @physprof 27 Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jul 4 2022 19:33 utc | 28 @Kingsmeg Sorry, should have been clearer, I was referring to the surveillance footage from the Kremenchuk medical clinic near the mall. Posted by: physprof | Jul 4 2022 19:41 utc | 29 i relegated the missile videos to the same category as the ones we were shown at the time of the explosion in Beirut. nobody took those seriously. Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 4 2022 19:46 utc | 30 The whole SMO is to kick the ass of the US of A and the USD. One should go back in time and read/listen to what Putin said, from around September 2021. To make this world a multi-polar world, get rid of the USD as the reserve currency…and, isolate US of A. Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 19:50 utc | 31
Happy 4th of July, America! Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 19:53 utc | 32 Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 19:50 utc | 32 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:11 utc | 33 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:11 utc | 34 Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 20:18 utc | 34 getting rid of USD as a reserve currency is going to be a long process Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 20:21 utc | 35 There was an interesting article in Redstate today by a guy called Streiff. About US military recruitment problems. I’m not sure they can be fixed easily. Unless the US does like the Ukies and starts conscripting folk. Posted by: NormaJeanDaugherty | Jul 4 2022 20:26 utc | 36 Getting rid of usd is happening already, thanks to US sanctions, not Russia or China. When brics currency is launched it’ll be the very funny to see the US geniuses faces, probably this year. Posted by: rk | Jul 4 2022 20:26 utc | 37 too scents | Jul 4 2022 20:21 utc | 36 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:28 utc | 38 ostro | Jul 4 2022 20:18 utc | 35 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:31 utc | 39 A few days ago, Russia reduced supply of gas by 15% to Italy. On the 11th July, routine maintenance of both lines of Nord Stream will start, meaning complete stoppage of supply. This maintenance is supposed to end by 21st July, but will it? Block gas and fuel pipes going through Ukraine, then? Sudden blockade of Suez canal…? Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 20:31 utc | 40 rk | Jul 4 2022 20:26 utc | 38 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:33 utc | 41 most used and held currency. Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 20:38 utc | 42 Joe6pack … Posted by: crone | Jul 4 2022 20:41 utc | 43 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:33 utc | 42 Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 20:46 utc | 44 crone | Jul 4 2022 20:41 utc | 44 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:46 utc | 45 ostro | Jul 4 2022 20:46 utc | 45 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:53 utc | 47 It’s just my opinion, that ‘unseating’ USD as reserve currency is going to be damn hard. Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 20:54 utc | 48 Backed by rule of law, where even foreign companies believe they can have justice. Just for starters… Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 20:56 utc | 49 @ 46 Posted by: crone | Jul 4 2022 20:56 utc | 50 @Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 20:46 utc | 46 crone | Jul 4 2022 20:56 utc | 51 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 21:01 utc | 52 Roger | Jul 4 2022 21:01 utc | 52 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 21:05 utc | 53 Almost a brawl at the 10th World Peace Forum in Beijing, “US, Russian envoys clash over Ukraine crisis at Beijing forum as Chinese experts call on major powers to control ‘spillover effect’”: @53 Posted by: crone | Jul 4 2022 21:09 utc | 55 Inflation these days is due to the power of monopoly pricing: because they can… Posted by: donten | Jul 4 2022 21:12 utc | 56 Founders of the EUR hoped, secretly and not no secretly, that it would take the place of USD as a reserve currency.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 21:19 utc | 58 @Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 21:05 utc | 54 Roger @52– Inflation these days is due to the power of monopoly pricing: because they can… Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 21:27 utc | 61 Surreal to read one of the world’s most prominent economists, Jeffrey Sachs, bashing the neocon adventure in Ukraine as if he had been listening to Gonzalo Lira and the Duran at https://consortiumnews.com/2022/07/01/ukraine-is-the-latest-neocon-disaster/ This is worth noting because self-proclaimed populist Steve Bannon, who also says the US should deescalate in Ukraine, speaks of Sachs as if he were responsible for the rise of the oligarchs in Russia and thus all the evil that is happening in Europe. And this, in turn, is worth noting because – to answer the question in one of the comments: are we being played again? – the answer is: yes, MAGA is a scam that is only another ploy to keep the whole world subservient to the US. Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 4 2022 21:33 utc | 62 @Nemo 8, etc. seeming anomalies in Kremenchug videos… Posted by: LeMoyne | Jul 4 2022 21:38 utc | 63 Roger | Jul 4 2022 21:21 utc | 60 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 21:43 utc | 64 Winter is coming. Europe needs gas, coal to heating, and for the production of electricity, and for factories, food production and so on…but, the storages are more than half empty. Biden promises to send LPG, but it is too damn expensive, and cannot be pumped to homes and industry — no pipelines. Germany doesn’t produce coal, Poland does, but Polish coal is of much less quality than the Russian. Columbia can send coal to Europe, but that coal doesn’t produce enough energy, less burning power. Some African countries might too. These are expensive coal. The European leaders don’t want to raise alarm, as they’d be kicked out of power. But, winter is approaching fast. Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 21:43 utc | 65 Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 21:01 utc | 53 “But please, something more than “it will be the best, because it will be the best!” or “Putin said so, it will be so!” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2022 21:45 utc | 66 Just saw this when poking around: Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 21:45 utc | 67 Always put family first b, you or they will all be gone one day. Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 4 2022 21:46 utc | 68 @Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 4 2022 21:25 utc | 61
I seemed to recall that there was a technical term for a part of a country that’s discontiguous with respect to the country’s main land mass. I found the terms “enclave” and “exclave,” one or both of which might apply in the scenario you put forward. Posted by: David Levin | Jul 4 2022 21:51 utc | 70 Looks like the Russian military (O-group) already have close fire control of the Seversk-Bakhmut road, which is the only large road for Seversk troops to evacuate to Bakhmut. The other small east-west roads out of Siveresk are all very close to Russian positions. Already an operational encirclement? Chinese, Russian warships approach Diaoyu Islands as Russia ‘sends warning to Japan’ Posted by: Peter | Jul 4 2022 21:59 utc | 72 Intel Slava Z Posted by: crone | Jul 4 2022 22:02 utc | 73 Only the US can unseat the US dollar as a reserve currency, e.g. by giving the US dollar assets of the Russian national bank to Ukraine. Posted by: Passerby | Jul 4 2022 22:06 utc | 74 Russia doesn’t have to have any trade relations with Europe. She can let other countries to manufacture products it might need. She can help other countries to get the technology to produce those products. She can get more money and/or barter products/services from those countries — doing business in their own currencies. She doesn’t need the Suez canal or the Panama canal get goods through. Most of the northern seas are Russia’s, and she has the most modern, most toughest icebreakers. On the land-Caspian-Iran-India route, all countries win gain, a win-win situation. All connections with friendly countries will be win-win state. Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 22:07 utc | 75 Inflation these days comes from diverting huge parts of the economy towards locking down, closing businesses, stop working, staying home, keeping distance, staying safe, masks, tests, qr-codes and all other kinds of productivity killing activities alongside printing massive amounts of money to pay for all of that. it’s non-productive unless of course you think without all that we’d all be dead as you can see from non existing Swedes, depopulated Florida and many other countries (mainly African) who could not afford all that jazz. Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 4 2022 22:08 utc | 76 @ Passerby | Jul 4 2022 22:06 utc | 75 Posted by: james | Jul 4 2022 22:08 utc | 77 BRICS is not designed to have its own currency , as with the EURO. Posted by: Peter | Jul 4 2022 22:09 utc | 78 too scents | Jul 4 2022 21:27 utc | 62 Posted by: donten | Jul 4 2022 22:09 utc | 79 NATO tax dollars at work. European values on show. What Standing with Ukraine means. Posted by: bevin | Jul 4 2022 22:10 utc | 80 Because they can… Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 22:23 utc | 81 Iran Sets Up Caspian-to-Gulf Intermodal Route for Russian Cargo Posted by: Peter | Jul 4 2022 22:24 utc | 82 The missile in the Kremenchug video matched the KH-22/32 (32 has upgraded internals)
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2022 22:25 utc | 83 On the retention of a reserve currency. My assessment of that issue is that no nations want any other nation to have the power provided by its currency being THE reserve currency or sole trading currency. Glazyev talks about democratizing international trade via a new trading currency based on a basket of currencies and commodities. This Bancor Wiki entry will be helpful for those unfamiliar with this issue. Reference links 7-10 also offer further insight. As the Wiki notes, the problem’s been allowed to languish for too long and clearly a solution must be found. Roger | Jul 4 2022 21:50 utc | 70 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 22:34 utc | 85 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 21:01 utc | 53 Posted by: Baron | Jul 4 2022 22:37 utc | 86 Jonathan W. (63), https://t.me/HersonVestnik/5951 Posted by: Arioch | Jul 4 2022 22:41 utc | 88 Noémio Ramos #13
Here is the bad news: even if they were out of ammunition, no one in their right mind would invade the ‘west’. Think of what they would conquer for a moment and you will get the picture. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2022 22:42 utc | 89 Baron @87– Posted by: Down South | Jul 4 2022 18:36 utc | 15 Posted by: John Kennard | Jul 4 2022 22:45 utc | 91 The fate of the greenback as a reserve currency will follow and mimic the path of sterling … Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 22:47 utc | 92 The pen is mightier than the sword and with Russia the superglue building/mending Iran-Saudi relations and China-India detente, the writing’s on the wall street for America. They’ll not gain a son (Ukraine ) but lose one (Saudi ). Posted by: WTFUD | Jul 4 2022 22:49 utc | 93 Re #4 post: Nuclear plants and security don’t belong in the same sentence. The “for” argument (dependable, pollution, economics, etc) works if most of reality is ignored. Posted by: Jimp | Jul 4 2022 22:51 utc | 94 Baron | Jul 4 2022 22:37 utc | 87 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 22:56 utc | 95 Re: Joe6pack Posted by: NOTJoe6pack | Jul 4 2022 23:08 utc | 96 Shoigu reports to Putin in Russian. Not much of anything new here. Putin provides a bit of info here: One explosive issue that has been largely swept under the rug by much of the Anglophone media is the hand of Canada and its sponsorship of Ukrainian fascists for *decades*. Canadian regime leaders like Chrystia Freeland are only the tip of this Canadian-Ukrofascist iceberg. Posted by: ak74 | Jul 4 2022 23:14 utc | 98 Russia’s MFA on what appears to be an attempted Color Revolution in Uzbekistan:
Here’s more from TASS: From karlof1’s link
I don’t know the areas of these groupings but the Izium front has been resting for the last couple of weeks so I guess there will be an offensive from that direction now. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2022 23:27 utc | 100 |
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