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Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2022 5:59 utc | 203

My guess is that Russia will establish suzerainty over everything east of the Dneiper River. They will rebuild Donetsk and Lugansk, but won’t foot the bill to repair much of the the rest, which will act as a buffer zone and ‘half-way house’ for its population, some of whom will eventually be admitted to the western republics. The large eastern half will be left for the West to try to rebuild (which they cannot really afford). It will turn into a East and West Germany scenario, but with inverted longitudinal geography.
The whole ‘West’ is simply ‘soft’ fascist. For example, the U.K. is fascist, and the U.S.A. has been fascist, beginning with the invention of the fake democracy U.S.A. Constitution, a stealth fascist document if there ever was one. Ask any American Indian. Most contrary to what everybody has been taught in fascist educational institutions, fascism is not some political-economic arrangement at all. Fascism is a social configuration of three distinct classes. There is a secret hidden master class, and a middle class, and a despised victim class. The victim class must always exist, but if it becomes over-exterminated, a war against some external society must be waged. It is really very simple. Europe is pretty much fascist too.
Fascists, the master class, must lie constantly to its middle class. It all must be very theatrical. Although I protested many U.S. wars, I came to find that it was mostly useless. For one thing, the middle class is generally in thrall to the endless lies. All fascism appears to be founded upon endless war and violence. Formerly it was directed internally against the Jews and Roma and so on. For now it’s just the Russians. Zelensky is a Jew? So what? Soros is too.
George Orwell precisely described ‘hard’ fascism in his book ‘1984’.
— formerly ‘blues —

Posted by: RKJoyce – Prophet | Jul 4 2022 6:09 utc | 205

Time and a half holiday pay for the trolls today?
Not sure why else they’d be here in force…could it be because the Ukies are getting mauled and are in serious trouble?
Dangerous times, if Biden/NATO doesn’t do something soon the whole project is going to rapidly collapse.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jul 4 2022 6:13 utc | 207

Haassaan:
It’s the success of this side, as the truth becomes more and more evident. MoA matters.

Posted by: njet | Jul 4 2022 6:16 utc | 209

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2022 6:24 utc | 253
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Actually, its a bit of a headache to keep the half-Polish people of the western parts of the Ukraine under control, as they have inborn Russo-hate, so maybe best to leave out the last 4 oblasts, or parts of them as a hump state.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 6:27 utc | 211

US energy producers roast Biden for demanding ‘companies running gas stations’ lower pump prices Well, yesterday Maria Zakharova jibed the demented One on this…

Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 6:32 utc | 213

ostro #255

Actually, its a bit of a headache to keep the half-Polish people of the western parts of the Ukraine under control, as they have inborn Russo-hate, so maybe best to leave out the last 4 oblasts, or parts of them as a hump state.

I am totally with Ritter on this – leave no ground in slavery to nazis, liberate the lot. I do not see this cancer just snuffing out of its own accord, admitting defeat and submitting to a new anti fascist government.
Just as the west funded and contrived the rise of fascism in the 1930’s, then again after the ww2 via NATO up to now, they will persist even a third time if left with one centimeter of fertile ground.
It is an existential struggle for every generation and pity the country that lets down its guard. Vale Ukraine.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2022 6:56 utc | 215

@ 246
Again with this… There’s enough ammo for forever and that excluding what they’ve confiscated from Ukr and nato which is a huge amount. And more ammo can be easily manufactured too.
But it’s true that Shoigu has to be quickly replaced, Putin has nothing to do with the military strategy. They have to remove nazis top-down first. Like I’ve said many times, everything will continue as long as nato has a whole government, many other local puppets and large numbers of mercenaries in Ukr. nato doesn’t even need the regular Ukr army, that’s why they’re sending them all to 100% death. When they’ll be all dead and Ukr will have no defense, mercenaries can continue killing the Russian controlled areas and US can place a base in what will remain from Ukr, Syria style, and never leave while maintaining constant war in the area. Shoigu’s strategy has this possible outcome and he has to go away

Posted by: rk | Jul 4 2022 7:06 utc | 217

BBC interviewed the fake president of Belarus (who still claims she won the election) who is in Poland trying to stir up trouble. Then they quoted the (former) governor of Lughansk oblast as saying that the UAF had made a ‘tactical withdrawal’ from Lisichansk to “save lives”, and that the city was in ruins anyway. Soon they will be making a tactical withdrawal from Krematorsk toward the Dniper as well, I am guessing, if the Russians keep pushing.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 4 2022 7:38 utc | 219

b, what is going on in Germany?
A normally prudent, pragmatic, sensible society is allowing itself to be torn apart?
Inflation at 9% ! Sending military aid to Nazis! Whole Industries in the process of being gutted!
Is Germany completely helpless?
I am staggered that its people, of whom i have known many, find this remotely acceptable.
How have they lost their minds? Are they hypnotized?

Posted by: intp1 | Jul 4 2022 7:42 utc | 221

Thanks for the posts on dirt on Scholz. Now it makes sense.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 4 2022 7:53 utc | 223

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2022 1:16 utc | 195
About the God of Mammon: one has heard that Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby set up a fund of a few trillion dollars with his banker friends to fight climate change.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 4 2022 7:58 utc | 225

Another good thread from Will Schryver
https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1543692426333671425
comparing the Russians of 2020 with General Grant in the US civil war
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Given the myopic focus of the “Ukraine is winning” crowd on the alleged (and fallacious) Russian “defeat” at Kiev, I am reminded of how, during the US Civil War, Abraham Lincoln was ceaselessly frustrated with his early cadre of generals.
Much like the vast majority of current western military “experts”, Lincoln’s early generals were illogically focused on the objective of “taking Richmond” – the capital of the Confederacy. This obsession dominated the strategic focus of the Union for most of the war.
Lincoln, on the other hand – notwithstanding there is no evidence he ever read von Clausewitz – intuitively and correctly understood that it was not a city, nor any piece of territory, per se, that was the objective upon which his West Point-trained generals should focus
Rather, he repeatedly (and vainly) urged his generals to come to understand it was the destruction of Confederate General Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia that constituted the only valid objective of their actions.
Fortunately, in March 1864 Lincoln finally found the general he had been looking for: Ulysses S. Grant.
Grant was given command of all Union armies, and from that point until the end of the war he made his sole focus the engagement and destruction of Lee’s army, finally trapping it in the trench lines of Petersburg, VA, where Union artillery pounded it to pieces.
It was a long and grinding campaign. Grant made numerous tactical errors and suffered inordinate casualties on multiple occasions. But his focus never varied from the objective: to destroy the enemy army. He sought every chance to engage it, and never let up once.
This has been *precisely* the Russian mentality in Ukraine. Their objective, from the very beginning, as articulated by Putin in his epic speech of February 24, 2022, was to “demilitarize” Ukraine – to destroy its army.
When the confederates were trapped in Petersburg Virginia, they resisted for 9 months then collapsed in two weeks

Posted by: Aslangeo | Jul 4 2022 8:17 utc | 227

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 4 2022 7:38 utc | 263
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Well, they tried colour revolutions in Belarus and in Kazakhstan, both failed. Trying one in Armenia and Turkmenistan last few days. Not succeeding, by the way.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 8:22 utc | 229

@265
Most of the West si asleep. Too much money. That is the simple truth. Everything too cheap, cheapest energy and other products from Russia and an army of East European slaves to work their fields and factories. In Germany a large number of medical doctors are East Europeans. They receive education for free at home then all run to Germany (since France pays them half, at most, and other countries even less). East Europeans who literally wash old Italian asses (badante) is a huge industry.
Remember when there was lockdown in whole EU, Merkel demanded slaves from Romania and they were promptly sent by their nazi president called Klaus. At that moment in Romania the same people were not allowed to work in agriculture because of lockdown. Those who were diagnosed with covid in Germany were sent back and replaced with healthy new ones. Talking about Romania, an interesting experiment took place during covid. Diagnosed people, with or without symptoms, were taken by force to hospitals or other quarantine locations and given “treatment” without their consent or without knowing what the pills are. Phones were taken away, family could not contact pacients. Some hospitals didn’t have heating during winter, others had a single toilet for 20-30 people. Some used ropes on angry pacients to keep them in bed. If they were too angry they were sedated without a medical reason and some died that way. They were not released from hospitals until two consecutive negative tests and apparently the record is over two months with no symptoms. If they died in quarantine the family could not identify the body that was sealed in a bag. Blood and dna samples were sent for study to us, uk. This lasted for almost a year. In the capital city soldiers in armored vechicles were paraded on the streets to prevent riots. Some in government proposed that police checks every apartment or house and tests each person to “remove people with covid from society” but the plan was forgotten because police did not have the means to check millions and it wasn’t exactly legal
You tell me that wasn’t part of some bioweapon study on East Europeans?

Posted by: rk | Jul 4 2022 8:39 utc | 231

Looking at the actions of German politicians, for me the only explanation is that they are all compromised. Take Northstream 2. Even before the war, our green leaders were vehemently opposed to it. They said that instead of getting gas directly from western Siberia to Germany, it would be much better to ship it through southern Europe first, and through one of the most corrupted countries in Europe, and pay them billions in transit fees. How could this ever be in the interest of Germany?
So either these politicians are stupid, or they get money for it, or they are politically pressured. Stupidity I rule out.
Americans have information about all of us. They have all the NSA archives of all our social media activities, and whatever else information they collect from our electronic devices. They oppose Huawei not because the Chinese could collect data about us (which they may want), but because Huawei could block NSA listening on us. And the Americans were the first plundering the Stasi archives. And if there were a person they would not find any compromat about, Americans would make sure this person would never get into an important political position.

Posted by: Rüdiger | Jul 4 2022 8:43 utc | 233

Bevin 145
“Western”culture is best observed in a petri dish under a microscope otherwise you might miss it.

Posted by: mcohen | Jul 4 2022 8:53 utc | 235

3 липня російські війська здійснили масований обстріл Слов’янська. Внаслідок атаки загинули шестеро осіб, багато людей отримали поранення. За словами мера міста Вадима Ляха, Слов’янськ обстріляли із реактивних систем залпового вогню. Він називає сьогоднішній обстріл наймасштабнішим за останній час.
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Translation from Ukrainian….
On July 3, Russian troops launched a massive shelling of Sloviansk. As a result of the attack, six people died, many people were injured. According to the mayor of the city, Vadym Lyakh, Slovyansk was fired upon by multiple rocket launchers. He calls today’s shelling the largest in recent times.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 9:04 utc | 237

Interesting interview with Dima of military summary you tube channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_KfSJWF8I
This channel provides excellent objective analysis of the military situation – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUnc496-PPmFZVKlYxUnToA

Posted by: Aslangeo | Jul 4 2022 9:15 utc | 239

Interesting chat that. About the ban on usury in Turkey. The ban is in the Bible as well. We might have been better off to heed it if the short term and individual gains from being able to borrow money were off-set,long term and socially, by the takeover of the real economy – and the subsequent hollowing out thereof. Maybe those old aliens that got a mention knew what they were doing when they gave us the instruction manual? One way or another it seems winter is coming.

Posted by: NedStark | Jul 4 2022 9:30 utc | 241

Aslangeo | Jul 4 2022 9:15 utc | 289
Hello my dear friend. Thanks for the link to the Dima interview, Military Summary is a great resource.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jul 4 2022 9:39 utc | 243

… In that larger context, whether or not Sweden and Finland join an organization which will probably be disbanded fairly soon is of no import. But if that is the reason, then RF cannot say it. So it will not be addressed and be just left hanging, one of several things that don’t quite add up….
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 2:02 utc | 209
I wondered at the same point and agree with your analysis.
Whether RF ‘wins’ or ‘loses’, the game’s so big that SWE / FIN probably won’t matter much or at all, their wretched toadying soon forgotten.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 4 2022 9:42 utc | 245

About Nabulina: there is a kind of consensus that Putin personally had to force her to come to her senses. So Putin is not the bad actor, according to this view. And what she – Nabulina – has been doing recently with the interests etc. has been quite impressive. The bottomline is that the wholesale attack on Russian economy failed. And that is to her credit.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 4 2022 9:55 utc | 247

too scents #296
Thank you I was unaware of their work in that area. Russian work in nuclear materials is intriguing as well but I have let that reading lapse for a few years. They also had a devastating accident a year or so ago in that research.
Aslangeo #289
Thank you for the Dima links.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2022 10:01 utc | 249

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2022 6:48 utc | 258
This guy made it back home after eight years
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/56160
Excellent tune, for someone that left home at an early age that line of going back is always appealing, even though there’s no way back, life is not linear and the places we leave have a life of their own, as everything else.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2022 10:07 utc | 251

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jul 4 2022 10:06 utc | 301
I never thought that I would miss Merkel, that’s how bad it is with Germany.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2022 10:11 utc | 253

Apologies for posting PCR Covid article here. Thought it was the Open Thread tab.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 10:35 utc | 255

Retard Borell wants to cut energy supply from Russia by 90% this year, “the price of protecting our democracies”. He said that the day gas jumped to $1700, in summer! This winter EU will probably be saved by a new lockdown, a much longer one, but next year, without cheap energy and resources, it won’t work anymore.
Like the great Mike Tyson said “everybody got a plan until punched in the mouth”

Posted by: rk | Jul 4 2022 10:45 utc | 257

@307
Yes, “don’t want to be seen” is the correct way to say it

Posted by: rk | Jul 4 2022 10:45 utc | 259

Looking at the actions of German politicians, for me the only explanation is that they are all compromised. …
So either these politicians are stupid, or they get money for it, or they are politically pressured. Stupidity I rule out.
Americans have information about all of us. They have all the NSA archives of all our social media activities, and whatever else information they collect from our electronic devices. … And if there were a person they would not find any compromat about, Americans would make sure this person would never get into an important political position.
Posted by: Rüdiger | Jul 4 2022 8:43 utc | 278
An excellent comment. Yes, compromised, if only that, in many cases, they owe their entire political career to sponsors and patrons who have always dictated their stance, a class of political careerist who could never have hoped to advance without a hand from their friends in Langley. The ‘soft’ compromise of dreadful mediocrity.
Same for the media / journalism class.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 4 2022 11:10 utc | 261

and this suggests the damage done to the European economy is part of the plan.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 4 2022 11:19 utc | 263

and this suggests the damage done to the European economy is part of the plan.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 4 2022 11:19 utc | 314
Of course it is. Contrary to the propaganda, capitalists hate competition, any competition. What do they ever do when given the chance but make monopolies and exploit them ruthlessly.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 4 2022 11:28 utc | 265

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 4 2022 2:26 utc | 217
“Furthermore, in Weimar Germany, when no jobs were to be had, it truly was a miracle that Hitler and the NSDAP were able to revitalize so quickly its economy, sidestepping western finance, and with no union help. Heh. Go figure.”
Thanks for your post. And for referencing that excellent article about the attack on Russia in 1941. https://www.unz.com/article/barbarossa-suvorovs-revisionism-goes-mainstream/
Many eminently quotable passages but this one stood out because we see the same dynamic on this board and similar extremist ‘Putin Angel Anglo Saxon Devil’ polemic.
” It is not difficult to guess the motive for McMeekin’s ostentatious contempt of Suvorov. Suvorov has crossed the line by suggesting that Barbarossa saved Europe from complete sovietization. Although he expresses no sympathy for Hitler, Suvorov agrees with him that, if he had not attacked first, “Europe was lost.” Suvorov has committed an unforgivable sin. It is an untouchable cornerstone of both Western and Russian historiography that Hitler is the embodiment of absolute Evil, and that no good whatsoever could ever have come from him. And so academic historians of the Eastern Front are expected to display their good manners by shunning Suvorov, and by not asking: What if Hitler had not attacked first? They must not suggest that Hitler ever told the truth, or that his military commanders were wrongfully hanged.”It is not difficult to guess the motive for McMeekin’s ostentatious contempt of Suvorov. Suvorov has crossed the line by suggesting that Barbarossa saved Europe from complete sovietization. Although he expresses no sympathy for Hitler, Suvorov agrees with him that, if he had not attacked first, “Europe was lost.” Suvorov has committed an unforgivable sin. It is an untouchable cornerstone of both Western and Russian historiography that Hitler is the embodiment of absolute Evil, and that no good whatsoever could ever have come from him. And so academic historians of the Eastern Front are expected to display their good manners by shunning Suvorov, and by not asking: What if Hitler had not attacked first?

They must not suggest that Hitler ever told the truth, or that his military commanders were wrongfully hanged.

The understandable horror generated by atrocity propaganda, much of it developed after the war, effectively prevents to this day any objective or at least dispassionate, analysis of various key dynamics in history many of which are still in play today and in these discussions.
In order to insist that Nazis are irredeemably evil no narrative mentioning concern about communist regime atrocities or future intentions (like invading all of Europe) can be allowed to go without correction, often with a little ad hominem thrown in for good measure.
Given the willingness to ignore clear evidence and cleave to clearly distorted conclusions by those now cheerleading the Russians and Chinese who for long have desired the destruction of the capitalist West and now seem soon likely to achieve those aims due in no small part to decades of supposedly unrelated fifth column subversion of the core polity, how can any reasonable person naively trust that their true intentions are as benignly humanitarian as they are so often characterized?
Most of us here say we are against The Empire of Lies; but I am not yet entirely convinced, based on the use of various binary, false narratives raised up as they are on the wobbly scaffolding of various Whoppers, that they are not a part of that same Empire of Lies and that We the People, as has been usually the case in such matters throughout hustiry, are not yet again being played.
And if you bring it up, you can expect to be put on a list, accused of bad faith and so forth, perpetuating the crude, binary dynamic that perpetuates war in all its many overt and subtle forms, all those ways which undermine simple, good, true peace.
That said, am looking forward to Putins explanation of how he sees the new polycentric world order working in practice. He may not be a Saint but he still might be a truly great world statesman leading us out of trenches we have all been mired in since long before 1913….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 11:43 utc | 267

Re 318: something got scrambled and double pasted… After the quote ending in ‘wrongfully hangec’ all future text was no longer from the article but my blathering…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 11:50 utc | 269

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jul 4 2022 10:06 utc | 301
In UK they are blocking motorways today……..it starts……it spreads.
Disraeli used to say “The palace is not sage when the cottage is not happy”. – and we live in a pre-revolutionary situation. The water is boiling and the politico-media elite is the frog.
The dynamic is inexorable – next Monday Nordstream 1 goes offline – soon major process industries will shut down and paper, glass, aluminium, steel, chemicals will be powering down
The furloughing of workers will begin and German has already reported its first trade deficit since 1991……….it is German trade surpluses and cheap energy from Russia which give the Euro value.
If both are lost the ECB will need to raise interest rates to prevent inflation accelerating……..and property and Club Med states will implode…….EU has wiped out farmers in Italy and elsewhere and made EU a food importer……..noit just energy but food and materiel
The future is pre-baked

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 4 2022 12:14 utc | 271

The address of the US embassy in Moscow😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 12:30 utc | 273

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 4 2022 12:14 utc | 321
“Fascism is always a product of big business using its immense control in society (mass media, education, the arts, sports, and who gets seen and heard) to manufacture artificial “grass roots” movements to destroy working class organization, and in the last century the most threatening working class organization on the planet to big business was by far the Soviet Union.”
Interesting point. Are you saying that 1930’s Germany – usually presented as the prime example of fascism in action I believe though they called it ‘national socialism’ – did not greatly elevate German working class? I thought they did very well with higher pay, homes, cars, paid vacations etc.
Second: are you saying that soviet communism was all benign and that if many in Europe felt they were going to be conquered by it that instead of fighting the working classes in Europe should have welcomed the take-over because Russia had shown the world how much better for the working classes their regimes were (barring a few minor glitches like famine and mass murder programs)?
Note: I am not advocating for one side over the other rather against those who do, painting one side as angelic and the other as demonic with anything the latter have said or done is pure evil.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 12:36 utc | 275

Serhii Plokhy of Ukrainian Research Institute at Harvard ” The 20th century witnessed the end of the world built and ruled by empires” – REALLY? Ah well, he must be right, ‘cos he is a Professor! Phew! There ain’t no US imperium in 2022.
“Looking at the current situation, it’s difficult to overstate the role the United States and its NATO allies can play in solving the conflict in Ukraine.” He must be right, folks, he is a Harvard Professor after all.

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Jul 4 2022 12:41 utc | 277

The area near the British embassy along the Smolenskaya embankment in Moscow will be renamed as LNR Square.
The British Embassy would also won’t have an address, only coordinates…as the US embassy…😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 4 2022 12:45 utc | 279

William Gruff @321

But you must understand: the Nazis absolutely were motivated by Russophobia… well, Sovietphobia

Plus the Versailles treaty, sanctions, etc. There was Soviet-phobia all over Europe and the Nazis capitalized on it. Many people thought the Nazis would save Europe from the Soviets, but many of them found the cure was worse than the disease. I don’t think most people today would like to live in a second Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

Posted by: aquileia | Jul 4 2022 12:54 utc | 281

Paul Greenwood@322
Europe is about to be engulfed by the deepest economic depression since the early 1930s. When it happens-it is happening- people should bear in mind that, contrary to ruling class propaganda, such economic and social disasters are not bugs in the system but features, necessary to its functioning.
Massive layoffs and unemployment in a Europe in which half the workforce of the eastern EU is working or looking for work and making remittances home from western Europe will lead to the sort of inter-ethnic clashes which will allow the ruling class to justify draconian policing to preserve “order.”
All the ducks are in a row for the ruling class which is turning towards fascism again. The question is how the working people will respond, whether the current strikes in the UK, for example, will lead to defiance and nullification of the Thatcherite anti-Labour laws (designed to prevent strikes from succeeding). If this does happen, all bets are off and the prospects of a real change and the end of capitalism are very real.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 4 2022 12:58 utc | 283

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 4 2022 12:14 utc | 321
Thanks for putting words to some of my thoughts, I could not do it as clearly as you, I`ll accept that there are no binaries, but to rationalize fascism with elegant trains of thought and eloquence does not make it for me. Big business, elites, class, racial theories and all sorts of evil dressed in fancy clothing and patriotic symbols and tunes won’t erase the evil consequences of such a system, and once war has started do not expect the other side to serve you tea at 5 pm and live up to humanitarian postulates, after the first shot and the first spilt blood it is just mayhem, cruelty and savagery, on either and all sides.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 4 2022 13:06 utc | 285

“…There was Soviet-phobia all over Europe and the Nazis capitalized on it. Many people thought the Nazis would save Europe from the Soviets,…” aquileia@332
The ‘Many people’ you refer to were the ruling class and its fans. The reality is that, all over Europe, there was enormous popular support for the Soviet Union and its ‘experiment’ this was evidenced in the popularity of Popular Front politics and the support from the people for the Spanish Republic.
The Nazis relied not on popular support but on the military, ruling class control over the institutions of government, the mass media, the academy and conservatism.
In places like South Wales, for example, or the Ruhr, in the highly industrialised areas, that is to say, the great majority favoured rather than feared the Soviet Union. That was why the ruling class hated the USSR so much: it was setting an example of what could be done when capitalism failed as it had done. And as it is doing now.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 4 2022 13:07 utc | 287

Posted by: ptb | Jul 4 2022 13:07 utc | 338
I think someone had said about two economic realms. One of US dollars dominated the other were commodities and production based that enjoys cheaper Russian energies in which the case that EU would lose volumes it get from Russia permanently hence would inflated GCC sourced energy prices.
So In that near future EU and US produced goods would lose market shares in Asia, Africa, and the rest other poor developing countries because their prices can’t compete.

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 4 2022 13:17 utc | 289

Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jul 4 2022 12:57 utc | 334
“But the vax doesn’t go directly into our bloodstream from the intra-muscular injection site. So it can’t flood your bloodstream with nanotech robots or micro-tracking chips or any of the similar claims I’ve seen. Some of the stories are black propaganda, and it’s really hard to tell the difference without studying the underlying biology. But spreading these stories harms the anti-(mRNA)-vax movement, as intended.”
I’ve tried to ignore most of the stories because I can’t verify anything and also don’t trust anything pro or con. But I was intrigued a while back by that English undertaker who reported a high percentage of his ‘clients’ coming in with strangely congealed blood, something he had never seen before. And this happened only after the jabs not during the flu-only phase.
And then that German chap who showed slides and died two days later. Are you sure things don’t get into the bloodstream and/or the major organs? Because one of the main effects seems to be blood related in that many young women have menstrual irregularities or miscarriages and many young men have heart problems, some deadly. Menstruation, birth, heart – all blood related. So it seems to me – as a total amateur of course – that things are getting into the blood-related systems.
But also there are widespread immune system issues, as you mentioned, which indicate that it’s probably going throughout the body – whatever ‘it’ is.
Finally a different but related point: I was always suspicious about the vax in one particular regard (among many others) namely: how do we know a) what’s in it and b) if everyone is getting the same stuff? Answer: we don’t. Turns out someone drilled down on this in 2021 and published the hundreds (or thousands?) of different batches by location and time. There is a huge variation in ingredients apparently which means not only that indeed they have all been lying but also that the campaign was a huge (and unlawful) experiment.
The whole thing is a criminal farce perpetrated on billions. The world is going to hell. And Russia and China are part of this dystopic madness which is one reason why am not willing to grant either Sainthood status yet even though, Lord knows, the Empire of Lies is long overdue for some serious comeuppance.
Put another way: the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 13:19 utc | 291

Scorpion @ 336
Well, Ukraine declared martial law, but for some reason I didn’t find their declaration of war. Anyway, regardless of legal status, clearly it is war.
QTTO @ 340
Why, I’m sure Russia will soon reach for their dirigible warehouses.
They are next to the T-64 warehouses, which have already been taken into use.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 13:24 utc | 293

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 4 2022 13:24 utc | 345
We are talking across each other. Clearly, yes, there are military operations and people are killing and being killed, including too many civilians.
But I think you can agree that right now it is very contained to within Ukraine and NATO has not declared war on Russia and is staying out of it officially. No NATO troops engaged – officially. Russia is not invading any NATO countries.
So war has not officially been declared even though, yes, there is military conflict with fighting and dying and infrastructure damage. My point about that is that IF outright war is officially declared, the fighting will go far beyond Ukraine and millions may find themselves being bombed in almost no time. That’s not what’s happening now.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 13:31 utc | 295

Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jul 4 2022 13:27 utc | 346
We shall have to agree to disagree!
I think that if Russia was really waging a full war against Ukraine that Lviv would already be rubble and nobody in Kiev would have food, fuel, light or internet.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 13:35 utc | 297

@341 Lucci
As far as EU (or for that matter, certain Asian countries such as Japan), that is certainly the case! North America is still partially isolated in terms of energy cost. The increase in natural gas price is relatively mild compared to elsewhere. However our industrial export industry has been dismantled already in the previous generation.

Posted by: ptb | Jul 4 2022 13:38 utc | 299