@CM of Berlin 40
Ask yourself to which side Sweden and Finland leaned during WW II. Note that the German NDSAP aligned Swedish NAZIs took 80andates in the 1934 election. See e.g. https://historyofyesterday.com/why-fascism-failed-in-sweeden-55046a7d488a
As for Finland, you might look-up the Winter and Continuation wars.

Posted by: Hermit | Jul 3 2022 20:09 utc | 103

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 3 2022 20:02 utc | 129
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Aha, you are already back from Baku…?

Posted by: peprr | Jul 3 2022 20:15 utc | 105

Plenty of lost souls around today, but no wonder, the hyper power’s embassy in Moscow does not have an address, …
Posted by: Paco | Jul 3 2022 18:08 utc | 92
It’s like containment failure in Ghostbusters, pathetic creeps.
Re Embassy address: Sarmat Square?

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 3 2022 20:25 utc | 107

Can someone please provide a definition for the word “recocileable”? I can’t find it in any online dictionary. Thanks.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2022 20:30 utc | 109

ostro to banderowska kurwa, stary rżnie go w dupę codziennie, jego stara puszcza się z bandą cyganów.

Posted by: ostro bandera whore | Jul 3 2022 20:32 utc | 111

Hermit @ 127
I don’t think comparing 1994 prices to 2020 prices is very useful.
According to this:
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1995?endYear=2020&amount=6800
6800 in 1995 dollars was in 2020 dollars 11548 and change.
Still cheaper than US planes, of course.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jul 3 2022 20:47 utc | 113

Stinky site scoop poop.cia.lol.pro Russia in English.must b joking
bbbbbb….. .berocca

Posted by: mcohen | Jul 3 2022 20:50 utc | 115

mcohen@143
I see that the CIA has unleashed its intellectual heavyweights over the holiday. Nothing more calculated to put the fear of God into the fans of authoritarian anti imperialism than the values of western culture in practice.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2022 20:55 utc | 117

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 3 2022 20:54 utc | 144
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Most probably, Siversk would fall by morning, 4th July…

Posted by: ostro | Jul 3 2022 21:05 utc | 119

Regarding Putin’s look, shouldn’t he look different after ten years? But if he has been replaced, his handlers do a much much better job than Biden’s. It actually looks like, aeh, feels like Putin1 is in full control of the new Putin.

Posted by: C | Jul 3 2022 21:21 utc | 121

@Posted by: C | Jul 3 2022 21:21 utc | 150
Stop spreading your utter nonsense, Putin looks completely different between 2010 and 2020.
2010:
https://www.gettyimages.ca/photos/putin-2010
2022:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/the-us-and-nato-must-attack-vladimir-putins-intimidation-strategy/

Posted by: Roger | Jul 3 2022 21:27 utc | 123

@ Paco | Jul 3 2022 18:08 utc | 92
thanks paco… that is a funny story on the embassy address and etc… tit for tat is a good approach as i see it… interesting symbolism either way…
@ bevin | Jul 3 2022 19:11 utc | 107
yes, there were a few turkish posters – tuzenfloot (sp?), and can’t remember the others names… as you say – maybe they will return…
@ Arioch | Jul 3 2022 20:54 utc | 144
yes… apparently 3 of the 5 dead in belgrood are ukrainian refugees……. kind of sad how the ukraine nazis are firing into russia to get more of a read on russias air defense systems, while killing their own, but this is what one comes to expect from nazis…. they attack civilians because they don’t have the courage to attack the russian army… if they had any honour ( which they don’t), they would try attacking the russian army instead of civilians… and in answer to those who want immediate revenge from russia in response… think about it for longer then a nanosecond… russia is not acting the same way here, thankfully… justice will be served but it won’t be done indiscriminately… we can leave that to nato and its servant zelensky here who excel at a complete lack of discrimination and integrity..

Posted by: james | Jul 3 2022 21:30 utc | 125

Posted by: ETA | Jul 3 2022 16:52 utc | 56
“… Can B update the system so the name of the posting barfly is listed on the very top so the rest of us can decide if we want to skip that post…”
I’ve wished for this for a number of years, as a lurker, and now as a barfly.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 3 2022 21:38 utc | 127

“Macron says he doesn’t want to ‘annihilate’ Russia”. Macron admits he wants Russia to lose in Ukraine but not to “annihilate” it as the Anglo-Saxons proclaim. Macron appears to be attempting to remain on the fence:

Filmed on a train back from Kiev last month, Macron explained that talking to Putin is necessary to prevent the conflict in Ukraine from becoming a wider war. Describing “Anglo Saxon” leaders as pushing the message that “we must annihilate Russia, weaken it permanently,” Macron said that his goal is instead to “help Ukraine to win,” and “not to fight against Russia, let alone annihilate it.”
Whatever the practical similarities between Macron’s approach and that of his US and UK counterparts, all of whom have provided Kiev with weapons and ammunition, there exists a clear difference in rhetoric between France and the “Anglo Saxon” world.
While US President Joe Biden has accused Russia of committing “genocide” in Ukraine, Macron has cautioned the West against bandying around such loaded terms. Likewise, he has dismissed requests from Kiev that he declare Russia a “sponsor of terrorism.”

As you read further, it’s clear the difference between France and the other Outlaws is thinner than a hair, and of course none are ready to face the reality that their stalking horse is on its way to the glue factory. As often mentioned, “NATO’s” largest army within Europe is routed and now dysfunctional. There’s zip NATO can do to alter the tactical or strategic situation within Ukraine as Russia continues to attain the SMO’s goals. Indeed, NATO is rapidly weakening itself in trying to change the situation, while the Outlaw US Empire’s sanctions war on the EU is escalating domestic tensions to the breaking point.
Meanwhile, Russia, China and the entire Global South grow stronger daily while the Collective West grows weaker. Don’t forget to subtract what’s called Financial Services from national GDPs not once but twice as they’re NOT income but overhead expenses, along with other categories like health insurance costs, the latter of which is a 16% overhead cost for the Outlaw US Empire’s economy that must be subtracted twice too. Essentially, as Rentier free lunch “income” grows, GDP declines. And the debacle that’s causing within every Collective West nation is why Ukraine is the focus–distraction. Zakharova’s words cited above are an excellent example.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 21:41 utc | 129

“Comment by Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on Ukrainian Armed Forces’ strikes on residential areas of Belgorod and Kursk”:

The goal of the Kiev regime is to strike the residential areas of cities with unguided weapons. This is far from the first time something similar has happened.
We understand that these actions of the regime in Kiev were not only agreed upon with its western superintendents but were also most likely prompted by them. They do this to force us into striking back in a similar fashion so they can carry on hyping their anti-Russian hysteria.
We have abstained from making such steps, but we will be monitoring these developments very carefully. Those who have been acting in this fashion should be aware that they will have to pay if these provocations continue.

I expect the missiling of several more command posts harboring NATO advisors to soon be reported by Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 21:50 utc | 131

@Arioch 144
thanks for those links

Posted by: ptb | Jul 3 2022 22:07 utc | 133

By the way and as an addendum to my post above, I wonder if someone could fill me in as to the Origins and motivation for the Wagner Group on the side of the Russians.
Are they appropriating their name as a tongue-in-cheek reference to the Nazi’s favorite composer or are they doing it as an homage to the agreeable aspects of Nazi-Germany?
No joke. Inquiring minds…

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 3 2022 22:13 utc | 135

Lavrov again answers a question posed by the TV program Moscow. Kremlin. Putin:

Question: The expression “Western liberalism” has been heard before. Now it’s even more important and interesting. Do you think it’s doomed?
Sergey Lavrov: Liberalism? Now neoliberal doctrine and policy are speaking. Just look at the problems now raging in the West. And they are connected not only with the natural course of things in the sphere of economy and trade – there were ups and downs–but are artificially created for themselves by the West itself. President Vladimir Putin spoke about this in detail when he explained the epistemology of the current food and energy crises caused by the ill-conceived, hasty and obviously selfish policies of Western states. This also applies to sanctions, which did not appear yesterday and are aimed at punishing any dissenters, subordinating them to their will and interests, ignoring the needs of everyone else.
Everyone should draw conclusions based on real facts: who and how coped with the coronavirus infection, is now engaged in the energy crisis, who is trying to speculate in the grossest way on food security, accusing Russia of something that our country is absolutely not guilty of and in which it is not fully involved.
The food crisis is being used for various purposes not only in the field of propaganda – to “whitewash” Ukraine, once again to “hang all the dogs” (pardon the rude expression) on Moscow, but if you listen to the statements, for example, of Boris Johnson and his “minister” for foreign affairs, you will see that they are clearly trying to create conditions, to find pretexts for the Royal Navy to infiltrate the Black Sea and almost lead all the processes of releasing grain from the mined Ukrainians. ports, which the Ukrainians themselves are obliged to clear mines.
We observe many manifestations of “convulsions” in the actions of Western politicians. All this is happening against the backdrop of a sharp deterioration in the situation at home (in Western countries) and according to such principles of neoliberal democracy requires distraction of the population’s attention, especially given the fact that every 2, 3, 4 years you have to go to the polls, be responsible for fulfilling your promises, and there is nothing to surprise.
It is not for nothing that some political scientists have been talking for years about the need to rethink the line that a country that is not a liberal democracy is not legitimate. They offer to see how states with a strong central government (they call them autocratic, authoritarian regimes) overcome the crisis phenomena in the world economy, which somehow ricochet from these countries.
Reflections on which state structure best meets the requirements of today are still evident among political scientists. They need to be watched. [My Emphasis]

It appears Russians have a very good understanding of how Neoliberalism works and for whom it works for. And that of course guides Russia’s policy as it understands the captured nature of the people living within Neoliberal oppressed nations. RT picked up on Lavrov’s suspicion the British are trying to “infiltrate the Black Sea.” I’ve chosen a different article to link which will be in my next comment.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 22:24 utc | 137

This one I found funny yet sad, “Germany fears losing its power with Ukraine in EU”:

Germany fears that if Ukraine becomes a full-fledged EU member, Berlin will see its influence within the bloc erode, The Daily Telegraph reported on Saturday, citing a senior diplomatic source.
Olaf Scholz, Germany’s chancellor, apparently discussed the matter with EU leaders in Brussels behind closed doors. According to the outlet’s source, he urged an overhaul of the EU treaty system before Ukraine’s membership bid is approved.
At the heart of the concern is the EU voting system that factors in the number of countries voting and their respective populations, a reality that would grant Ukraine a strong leverage within the bloc. Moreover, according to an analysis by the German Institute for International and Security Affairs, if Kiev joins the EU, it would be its fifth-largest member, but also the poorest.
It is also possible that Kiev may join efforts with Poland or other Eastern and Central European nations to sideline such core EU states as Germany and France.

The treaty system will never be overhauled as it completely suits the Outlaw US Empire’s purposes and aims for the further colonization of EU. Funny yet sad those misleading Germany are blind to what’s being done to them. Germany lost whatever “influence” it had long ago, well before the 2014 Ukraine Coup–that is, if it actually had any influence before.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 22:33 utc | 139

Roger @161–
I agree with Wolfpants @167. Russia will want to gain as much illegal intelligence as it can to ensure the proper target(s) are hit at the proper time with the proper weapon(s).

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 22:38 utc | 141

“Macron says he doesn’t want to ‘annihilate’ Russia.”
I often wonder whether these people are for real. Are they totally brainwashed and actually believe their own PR, or do they see the real situation, but orders are orders, and one must stay on the message, if one is receive one’s next cheque, or at least, avoid having a tragic accident. What do the psychologists say about people like this?
I tend to think it’s a bit of both. It helps enormously to have an oaf follow the script, even if he knows it’s only a script, because another script is used to convince him that all that is necessary for a higher purpose. An oaf can then lie with equanimity in firm belief that he is doing a service to humanity.

Posted by: Pagan | Jul 3 2022 22:48 utc | 143

Gabriel | Jul 3 2022 16:00 utc | 33
Your posts bring to mind a confirmed fact that the CIA has been engaging an undercover army of up to 60.000 operatives trolling on social media. You are quite obvious.

Posted by: Cerena | Jul 3 2022 22:56 utc | 145

Excellent op/ed related to G7 oil cap fantasy. And this great quote from its conclusion:

“For his part, Dr Gal Luft, co-director of the US-based Institute for the Analysis of Global Security and a senior adviser to the United States Energy Security Council, believes that JP Morgan’s forecast is a “hypothetical scenario”, and oil will never come to such price level simply because the “world economy will collapse way earlier.”
“Even at $159 a barrel we will see massive demand destruction and global depression. The G-7 leaders are behaving like a bunch of drunken sailors on the deck of a ship in the midst of a storm. They are so consumed with rage and vindictiveness that they cannot see the situation clearly and act according to their nations’ self interest. The summer months will face G7 leaders with their voters and they will get an earful. There will be protests and perhaps even violent ones. No democratically elected leader can outsmart the rules of economics,” Dr Luft pointed out. [Emphasis Original]

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 23:05 utc | 147

“…the Nazis of Germany, the NSDAP, were not motivated entirely by Russophobia…” @164
Russophobia was a very minor factor in the rise of the Nazis, like the other weird racist ideas that the Nazis played with and which contributed to their sense of destiny, it was of importance only in neutralising the opposition of the masses.
The great contributor to the Nazi coming to power was the cabal surrounding Hindenburg which intrigued in order to bring Hitler into office, where they relied on him to smash the unions and the
democratic political parties, which they and most of the ruling class, from the junkers, the military officers and industrialists, not to mention the Catholic Church, as well as the financiers of Wall St and The City, regarded as essential to the survival of the capitalist system.
Hitler and Mussolini were both hired by the Foreign Office, at the beginning of their fascist careers, in order to build anticommunist/anti-socialist/anti trade unionist forces for the crisis of the Class War anticipated after the October Revolution.
The importance of anti-slav racism and antisemitism were both related to the demagogic trick of linking bolshevism to jews and slavs, a trick that is still being played despite the appalling crimes it led to. But perhaps I am being overly sensitive?
The single important reason for the Nazis being invited to power was that the ruling class in Germany, with the tacit support of its colleagues across Europe and America, put it in power. They financed its election campaigns. They provided Hitler with a personal ‘plane to take him to rallies. The police gave Nazis thugs impunity (just as in Kiev today). The judges discharged Nazi prisoners for killing communists and burning down Trade union buildings.
Latter day fans of Hitler and neo-nazis like to fantasise about the way that popular enthusiasm- guided by the astonishing brain of that poet of PR Goebbels- swept their champions to power as the working class sacrificed its interest and aspirations, its institutions, its leaders and its comrades in an orgy of Wagnerian nationalist enthusiasm clothed in brown shirts and led by veterans of that great patriotic struggle against perfidious Albion and barbaric Russia headed by William II…
but it is all rubbish, a bricolage of tattered scraps of theatre and rancid rhetoric booming through industrial sound systems.
When Hitler came to power a deep fear pervaded the homes of the poor, the working class knew what had happened and did not have to wait long before the false flag of the Reichstag Fire (blamed on a Communist) led to rule by decree and the first mass arrests. That was followed by a reign of terror without precedent, anywhere outside of British India or the Jim Crow South. And then, when conditions were right and the opposition crippled an “election” in which the result was pre-ordained.
And then, the fun began: Communists were jailed by the thousand, many of them were beaten to death by sadistic guards with whips. The Trade Unions were all taken over into a government/Nazi run Labour Front, their funds were shared out by the thieves kitchen which ran the Nazi Party.
All this is very well known. Hundreds of books, many of them volumes of personal memoirs, have been published on the subject
. But it makes no difference to NemesisCalling.
He/She/They see the Nazis as role models. They see Hitler and his allies, as nasty a crew of perverts and criminals as any historian will find in a lifelong march through the archives and memories, as inspirations for the new order of which they dream.
It beggars belief that the defenders of Auschwitz and Belsen, the book burners and the originators of cancel culture who took every right from the poor (except the right to obey) who killed people for differing with their diktats, the people who massacred hostages by the thousand (Marc Bloch the great historian was one) who killed thirty million Russian and other Soviet citizens, who hanged opponents live on meat hooks, should be demanding that their opinions be given an airing.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2022 23:14 utc | 149

The G-7 leaders are behaving like a bunch of drunken sailors on the deck of a ship in the midst of a storm. They are so consumed with rage and vindictiveness that they cannot see the situation clearly and act according to their nations’ self interest.
@ karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 23:05 utc | 176
A sense of desperately lashing out — in Kaliningrad, Svalbard, wherever — feels consistent with the sketch of drunken rage you share. Poking with long needles until more chaos ensues, whatever needles come to hand, is the apparent “Western” strategy. From where we are, escalation (to outright NATO vs. Russia military conflict) is quite easy to foresee; nearly impossible to forestall. So it appears to me.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 3 2022 23:24 utc | 151

Vick and Gabriel I don’t know whether u are both on the same Ward or in separate padded cells but can I suggest that you vacate ur seat at the computer and hand it over to another patient on ur Ward who might be less disturbed than you. You posts are tedious, pathetic and quite frankly ridiculous. We enjoy intelligent debate here not wild disturbed rants. Please can u resume taking ur medication or that damned straight jacket is getting cliser to you.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jul 3 2022 23:31 utc | 153

You refer to Scholz’s Kompromat, have you any idea what his guilty secret is?
Was he once a socialist? Is that what they are holding over his head?
Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2022 23:26 utc | 181

Lol 🙂 Jokes aside, Scholz has been involved in several small-scale scandals, which may be cooked up and blown up anytime at will of TPTB. Just two of them:

Scholz is a very shady figure, “smooth as an eel” from the outside, a younger and smaller version of Joe Biden, quite the same intellectual level. But tbh, Joe Tzu makes for better jokes…

Posted by: Nervous German | Jul 3 2022 23:52 utc | 155

@ karlof1 | Jul 3 2022 23:05 utc | 176
“The G-7 leaders are behaving like a bunch of drunken sailors on the deck of a ship in the midst of a storm. They are so consumed with rage and vindictiveness that they cannot see the situation clearly and act according to their nations’ self interest.”
They don’t look angry to me; more like clowning around, laughing, smiling, back-slapping.
Because this is all a game, a show?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 0:31 utc | 157

@186 “They don’t look angry to me; more like clowning around, laughing, smiling, back-slapping.”
I thought they looked nervous….just putting on a show of confidence and solidarity. That’s their job I guess.

Posted by: dh | Jul 4 2022 0:45 utc | 159

Posted by: bevin | Jul 3 2022 23:14 utc | 178
Well said, Bevin. A wonderful post.

Posted by: KyleKoffler | Jul 4 2022 1:00 utc | 161

Hi Vick, Gabriel and Joe6pack: Guys is it a good idea to post on internet sites after failing to take your prescribed medication?
Look I’ve seen shows about how people in “special wards” derive a lot of pleasure sitting at a computer, drool quietly dripping down the sides of their wouth, one hand furiously working between their legs as they post random nonsense with the other hand, but. . .
Really it’s not as good a look as youthink. May I recommend you go back on, maybe even increase, your meds and ease of the onanism a bit? If you do you won’t come across to an international audience as if your parents repeatedly dropped you on your head as a child.
Do think about it.

Posted by: KyleKoffler | Jul 4 2022 1:09 utc | 163

Patrick Lancaster has a video up of some interviews with locals in the area of Severodonetsk. He interviews a middle-aged couple and asks them about the Russian SMO. The guy says “We didn’t invite them here, the Ukrainians did.” So they ask him “How is that?” and he answers “For 8 years the Ukrainians said they were fighting the Russians here and the Russians finally got tired of it – ‘So you want to fight Russians? OK then’…” Hilarious. The people who have remained have been waiting for 8 years and are happy. Others have left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg0mDtb70Xo

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 4 2022 1:15 utc | 165

Vintage Red@193
Thanks for the tip. This is a book that desperately needs to be reprinted or turned into an e-book.
A Ukrainian translation would be useful too.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 4 2022 1:17 utc | 167

The Outlaw Empire of Lies could totally count on a victory of Olaf Scholz as Merkel’s successor, and along him the khaki-green war party masking as the Greens.
Yes, Russia understands who rules Germany. But still: Gerhard Schröder and Angela Merkel managed to balance things out, the former quite better than the latter — while Scholz is a puppet to his own kompromat, an easily controllable governor of another 51st U.S. state.
Posted by: Nervous German | Jul 3 2022 23:17 utc | 179
No, they could not. Olaf Scholz came as a surprise. Everyone bet on Laschet or Baerbock, or rather a combination of CDU and the Greens.
As for Merkel, looking back, I don’t think she balanced things out. But she understood German economy well enough to know what cutting off Russia would mean. She left that to her successors.
Olaf Scholz is not a “puppet to his own kompromat”. Just an opportunist. He will do whatever is best for Olaf Scholz. No puppeteer could ever be certain that he is the (only) one pulling the strings that make the German chancellor dance. Which is why Scholz will be replaced soon.

Posted by: Martina | Jul 4 2022 1:37 utc | 169

If nothing else you can tell the trolls by their use of puerile emojis instead of language.
That said, there also does seem to be a bit of ongoing keyboard vomit by some new barflies that dilutes their message to the point of now being on my ignore list for worthless noise/signal ratio.
and thanks to the commenter(s) that are providing the Russia MOD now that RSH is showing repeated petulance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 4 2022 1:43 utc | 171

Putin on a roll:
https://sitrepworld.info/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/judo-throw.jpg
(an old friend’s aggregator site, his retirement hobby… he usually has an excellent selection…)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 1:51 utc | 173

Another one from PCR, one of his many critiques of Putin’s strategy:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/06/30/more-evidence-of-russias-lack-of-political-realism/
”
More Evidence of Russia’s Lack of Political Realism
June 30, 2022
Russian toleration of US neoconservative ambition is leading to war
Paul Craig Roberts
In her weekly briefing, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zakharova asks the “gentlemen of Brussels and Lithuania” if Russia’s understanding is correct that “you have unleashed a war?” Why does she have to ask the question? Why not make a declarative statement? https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1819949/
Washington is brewing endless problems for Russia. Washington bribed the president of Kazakhstan, whose country Russia recently saved from a US sponsored color revolution, to embarrass Putin at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum by disagreeing with the Kremlin’s intervention in Donbass. US agents are busy at work in Kazakhstan spreading fear that Kazakhstan is next on Putin’s list as he allegedly reconstructs the Soviet Empire. It is Washington’s use of former Soviet provinces against Russia that will finally convince Russia that the dismantling of the empire was a major blunder as it created many new countries that Washington can turn against Russia.
Russia is in a very difficult situation, because her political sophistication or realism is insufficient to support her military capability. The Kremlin is always reactive, never proactive and does not know how to protect Russia’s interest. One important reason the process is loaded against Russia is that Washington has an expansionist ideology and Russia does not. Washington is in pursuit of hegemony, and Russia just wants to be a respected member of the world community.
This is insufficient ambition to deal with Washington’s neoconservatives who intend the destruction of Russia as a sovereign country with sufficient power to serve as a restraint on US unilateralism.
On June 30, Russian President Putin commented on NATO’s inclusion of Finland and Sweden: “We do not have such problems with Sweden and Finland, which, unfortunately, we have with Ukraine. We have no territorial issues and disputes. We have nothing to worry about in terms of Finland and Sweden’s membership in NATO. They want to join NATO – please. Only they should clearly know that there were no threats to them before, but if military contingents and infrastructure are deployed there, we will have to respond in a mirror manner.” https://southfront.org/turkey-agreed-to-sweden-and-finland-joining-nato-putin-is-not-against/
Putin’s acceptance of NATO on Russia’s border for another 832 miles is inconsistent with Russia’s protests of NATO on her borders. It is inconsistent with Russia’s demand for mutual security. The West sees Putin’s statement as acceptance and weakness. It will encourage more provocations.”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That last paragraph is a good point that RF would be wise to address.
Hmm…. maybe it doesn’t matter because maybe all that matters is the sanctions war triggered by the SMO which will run its relentless course for however long it takes whilst the sanctions war triggers serious changes in both West and East. In that larger context, whether or not Sweden and Finland join an organization which will probably be disbanded fairly soon is of no import. But if that is the reason, then RF cannot say it. So it will not be addressed and be just left hanging, one of several things that don’t quite add up….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 2:02 utc | 175

Regarding excess deaths in the US 2020:21: they are the price of panic and despair and some theoretical rogue nanoparticle. Take an aging and already unhealthy population, hammer them with fear, months on end (add killer vaccines) … watch the bodies pile high.

Posted by: Dale | Jul 4 2022 2:11 utc | 177

@ bevin
The problem is, as I see it, bevin, is that you are a true believer.
Your posts are not philosophically rigorous, but sourced entirely from either the side of the victor or from other true believers (read: trotskyists) such as yourself.
You refuse to entertain conflicting views of your narrative, because it would render impotent your incessant veneration of Soviet Russia as spotless victim.
So when conflicting narratives arise about atrocity and aggression, whether it be the Holodomor, the mass rapes of German women, Suvorov’s thesis re: a planned Soviet Invasion of Europe, the testimony of executed German Brass at Nuremberg that confirm Soviet aggression, the massive amount of executions perpetrated on POWs in France after the war by communists, the Katyn Massacres of Polish Military…honestly there are probably many more such hotly contested subjects of historical significance. But these are not given any light of day anymore in the west. At one point in time, bevin, these events and Soviet Aggression were confirmed by rigorous scholarship and in western academia, but in the 70s and beyond, these well-known thinkers were blacklisted and memory-holed, only to be replaced with the sickening one-sided narrative of: Allies good, Soviets good, Mustache-man Bad.
For more info on the subject, please see this essay about Suvorov at Unz and Ron Unz’s own research on the subject re: the change in academic rigor during the 70s to the now one-sided affair of Nazi-fixation.
Re: your stance on unions and capitalism in Germany, in the light of my recent tussle with my own union and the lack of its defense of me in my employment when it was either get vaccinated or fired, I no longer carry the blanket assumption that unions are good no matter what. It’s a personal anecdote but it has legitimacy, doncha think?
Furthermore, in Weimar Germany, when no jobs were to be had, it truly was a miracle that Hitler and the NSDAP were able to revitalize so quickly its economy, sidestepping western finance, and with no union help. Heh. Go figure.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 4 2022 2:26 utc | 179

psychohistorian | Jul 4 2022 1:43 utc | 202
You should be able to view Russia MoD telegram channel without signing up.
https://t.me/s/mod_russia (you may have hit preview when the link opens)
I don’t bother with them much now. Same old same old.
Ukraine starting to press gang women as cannon fodder so I guess Ukraine is starting to run short of Ukrainians. A methodical destruction of Ukraine military by Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 4 2022 2:48 utc | 181

That is what my problem is here with this whole debate or lack of one. By opening up the question as to what makes a Nazi a Nazi, if you are being intellectually honest, you open yourself up to difficult questions that I admit perhaps can blunt the effect of propaganda during a current war.
….
does it serve no purpose to Russians to call them Nazi either, although I am sure there is catharsis in wiping out deluded-Nationalists with swastikas, who are vehemently Russophobic.
It’s a head-scratcher.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 3 2022 22:08 utc | 163
Concerning the first question, fascism is a collection of beliefs and activities. The folks in Ukraine that are presumably the subject of this “conundrum” use Nazi symbolism and references, but operationally and mentally they are arrested at the stage of Freikorps, mercenaries to “strong figures” outside their movement.
Concerning “purposes of the Russians”, the use of swastika and pathological hatred of “Moscals” and “vatniks” is good enough as a litmus test for calling them Nazis. And it is very useful. If you know Russian (or Spanish) It is explained here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QELap5eM-e0
and if you know Chinese, here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1L-Jfhq2IQ
Seriously, this resonates with Russians a lot.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 4 2022 2:57 utc | 183

Links posted by: KyleKoffler | Jul 4 2022 2:39 utc | 219
Thank you!!

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jul 4 2022 3:17 utc | 185

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 3 2022 22:08 utc | 163
I have been trying to figure out what you are saying, NemesisCalling, and apologies for being dumb and OT, but whatever one’s definition, there is a marked difference between the US reaction to Russia’s plight (and I use that word advisedly even though I hope it is not something they will be unable to rectify)and how the US reacted when Russia needed help at the beginning of WW2 before the US had entered that war. I’m speaking of lend lease, and an earlier conversation was casting doubt on US intentions therein — I can’t remember who said what so I am not about casting aspersions here, but a link I have posted on the open thread that I found at a Saker site delineates how much went into that program, and if it is correct US assistance was then considerable. My copy of that article is at somewhere in the 50’s over there. It’s late and I haven’t finished reading the names of comments here — so many I don’t recognize that are spurious so I’m skipping, sorry – just latching onto any I recognize.
There’s plenty of room over there, so maybe you can see what you think of that article. Same goes for any other thinking person here. I suppose it’s not really off topic to Ukraine as Russia seems inevitably linked to its neighbor. I’m beginning to think that the threads marked “Ukraine” are useful in drawing flies, the kind one really wishes one had a swatter for. Still, it’s nothing to what the Donbass has been enduring for eight years, so I’ll forge on.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2022 4:03 utc | 187

Janel.. righly says.. ”Finns, like Estonians and Hungarians, are not Indo-European nations, ” going back a little further.. hardly any today are from early man found ‘ evolving/developing’ here, when Lyrians, from near Star Vega 1st visited 22 million years ago. We nealy all come from the far reaches of this Dern Universe.
Heck we’ve had great civilizations since. 2 million years ago an et race fully inhabited N America, tell they nooked themselves. (Evidence in Death Valley, Utah). Then Atlantis, in the Atlantic, and Mu, in the Gobi, till they also zapped each other, in 9,498BC. Atlantis was founded in 30,000BC by Atlant from the Barnard Star, and Mu was founded by his wife’s brother.
Data from et in theyfly.com, Swiss Meier’s over 700 recorded face to face chats, with mainly Plejaran human ets, from Planet Erra, near Star Taygeta, in the Taurus Const. (They get here, in their newer ships, in a millionth of a second over 500 light years distance It took 7 boring hours, they always complained, in their pre-1975 ships)! These advanced ets are on a now completed 1000s years mission to help us along. They claim common ancestry with many here.. they and many of us are from descended from ancient Lyrians. They still keep an eye on the Ukr. war and comment.. latest contact numbers under Billy’s Contacts.
Nah, I’m not a nutter off the meds, but a long Rtd. Airline Check Capt., East African Airways and Cathay Pacific, with multiple UFO/IFO sightings, and studying the 20,000 pages of et data since 1985.
Also well written up by US psychologist Randolph Winters in his ‘The Pleiadian Mission’, after spending months with Meier.

Posted by: Thomas Turk | Jul 4 2022 4:17 utc | 189

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 1:48 utc | 203
I send you best wishes for your journey and hope you are avoiding Heathrow………the chaos does not look enticing, especially with baggage.
Then again October might be past the peak……..but I expect food and heating might be rationed by October.
Still……’hope for the best and plan for the worst’, as they say !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 4 2022 4:35 utc | 191

Posted by: juliania | Jul 4 2022 4:03 utc | 226
how the US reacted when Russia needed help at the beginning of WW2 before the US had entered that war.
a) Russia did not exist as a treaty partner until 1991 – it was USSR. Only after 1991 was “Russian Federation” recognised as successor state de jure to USSR.
b) “Lend Lease” was legislated March 1941 – Canada already had “Mutual Aid” with Britain.
c) “Reverse Lend Lease” is rarely mentioned by Americans
d) Republicans believed Lend Lease was “”the longest single step this nation has yet taken toward direct involvement in the war abroad”
e) “Anglo-American Mutual Aid Agreement” 1942 was a key actor for UK-US
f) Britain repaid Lend-Lease outstanding debts on December 29, 2006

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 4 2022 4:45 utc | 193

@178 bevin
I appreciate your input as always. I just finished an article which covers everything you wrote in #178 with numbers and more detail. The article also covers the history of the Ukraine area as it relates to current conflicts and factions that they are dealing with today–including the Nazi thing.
https://southfront.org/how-the-ukrainian-nationalist-movement-post-wwii-was-bought-and-paid-for

Posted by: HelenB | Jul 4 2022 5:17 utc | 195

Try this…
https://southfront.org/how-the-ukrainian-nationalist-movement-post-wwii-was-bought-and-paid-for-by-the-cia/

Posted by: HelenB | Jul 4 2022 5:29 utc | 197

Jen #185

There is a major tax fraud scandal attached to Scholz as well but the full details are not yet known and nothing that links him directly to it has been found so far.

That be the Cum-ex scandal. I understood that Scholz held the decision making position in the regulator/overseer prosecutorial body and sat on his hands in spite of being urged to prosecute and put a stop to the rort.
Billions of euros were filched from the people’s tax revenue by the perpetrators who included lads like Chase Manhatten and other worthy banksters. That is a rough and ready outline of the grub and what the compromat comprises. Feel free to correct me.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 4 2022 5:41 utc | 199