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July 03, 2022

The MoA Week In Review - (NOT Ukraine) OT 2022-101

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> Look at the current list of sanctions. I suggest that you conduct this interesting analysis. Compare restrictions that European countries are imposing on Russia and Belarus with the relevant US restrictions. The United States is sparing itself and is trying not to encroach on various spheres that could seriously damage its own economy. Yes, the United States is also experiencing negative effects from this activity, but Europe is suffering much more. I believe that, apart from “punishing” our countries, the United States wants to weaken the European Union as its rival. <

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Other issues:

Brics:

Science:

Covid - It ain't over until it is over:


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Boeing:

Use as open thread for issues not related to the war in Ukraine ...

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Posted by: too scents | Jul 4 2022 17:26 utc | 94

Where do you find this stuff!?!?

Thank you... they are now discussing pizza.... it better get going soon or... (why I prefer reading to listening or watching!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 20:35 utc | 101

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 4 2022 18:52 utc | 97
"So who can liberate the west from the Hellspawn-parasite? Only the patriots."

Well, this thread died but the best I can figure is that leaders lead and followers follow. China-Russia are now leading. They took the reins away from the West on 02 22 2022 and I don't expect our team to regain the initiative in a long while, probably never.

So first Eurasia has to get its tanker out of port and make a successful maiden voyage. That's going to take about a decade or so most likely. Then the rest of the world from outside the immediate inner circle of participating Eurasian Belt and Road nations will see their progress and decide to join in. This means that we won't need huge long painful BS-fraught revolutions like Russia and China last century, rather we can just choose to adopt what's working best there and follow along.

Otherwise first we have to break down what is by now an irreparably corrupt polity (unless I'm wrong and Bannon is right - which very soon we'll learn one way or another) and that is messy, messy, messy not to mention many will die. Better to just let the new leaders take charge and then join in once it becomes obvious they know what they are doing.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 4 2022 20:40 utc | 102

"Look at the current list of sanctions. I suggest that you conduct this interesting analysis. Compare restrictions that European countries are imposing on Russia and Belarus with the relevant US restrictions. The United States is sparing itself and is trying not to encroach on various spheres that could seriously damage its own economy. Yes, the United States is also experiencing negative effects from this activity, but Europe is suffering much more. I believe that, apart from “punishing” our countries, the United States wants to weaken the European Union as its rival."

As it is obivous for the average observer and EU taxpayer with two fingers of forehead, and thus the current EU leaders help the US to do it, what speaks volumes on them all being foreign agents in the best case, traitors to their countries in the worst one with the criminal repercusions implied....

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Jul 4 2022 21:22 utc | 103

German food shops, compared to Kharkov ones (by a Ukrainian refugee) https://hippy-end.livejournal.com/4936542.html

Posted by: Arioch | Jul 4 2022 21:41 utc | 104

How many mass shootings will occur this 4th of July within the Outlaw US Empire? This report concerns a Chicago suburb, Highland Park, where 5 were killed and 16 wounded just after the annual parade started. An article I saw this morning said 7 were dead after 54 were shot in the greater Chicago area, and that was before the above incident. Yes, Chicago is the most violent, deadly urban region in the Outlaw US Empire. We'll need to wait a few days before the total dead and wounded from this year will be known.

I see the mass shooting disease is spreading as a major shopping mall in Copenhagen experienced the malady where three died and four were wounded. As the anomie affects ever more people, the number of shootings will escalate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 4 2022 21:57 utc | 105

@ Chas | Jul 4 2022 20:18 utc | 100

hi chas... i just copy and paste what i have above, with an additional @ symbol in front of it all.. that contains what i refer to as the time stamp -> in this example - july 4, 2022, 20:18 utc... the value in this is if a thread such as the previous thread on ukraine happens where bernhard decides to delete a bunch of posts, the number of the post ( 100 using your post as an example ) becomes largely irrelevant.. most of the time it is fine to just give the reference number @ 100 chas for example.. on the previous thread b must have deleted 30 or more posts! thus the confusion from only using the number on the thread without the time stamp.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Jul 4 2022 22:06 utc | 106

Despite a change of government Australia is backing further NATO expansion to 'contain' China.


https://johnmenadue.com/albanese-government-policy-on-china-beyond-disappointing/

Posted by: Paul | Jul 4 2022 22:11 utc | 107

The world's #1 Terrorist nation must be stopped, "New documents expose secret US wars: Washington has conducted at least 23 proxy wars around the world under the guise of counterterrorism." In other words, terrorism:

The US has reportedly used a secretive authority called ‘127e’ to launch at least two dozen proxy wars since 2017, according to an article published on Friday by The Intercept. The outlet claims to have obtained never-before-seen documents and spoken to top officials with intimate knowledge of these programs.

The Intercept received the documents through the Freedom of Information Act, claiming these papers are the first ever official confirmation that at least 14 so-called ‘127e programs’ were active in the greater Middle East and Asia-Pacific regions as recently as 2020. In total, the Pentagon reportedly launched 23 separate 127e programs across the globe between 2017 and 2020, which cost US taxpayers $310 million.

The Intercept explains that 127e is one of several virtually unknown authorities granted to the Department of Defense by Congress over the last two decades. It authorizes US commandos to conduct “counterterrorism operations” in cooperation with foreign and irregular partner forces around the world with minimal outside oversight. [My Emphasis]

And I rather doubt all those operations had the consent of the host nation and are thus a violation of International Law. The world must declare its independence from the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 4 2022 22:14 utc | 108

Micro-fusion? "Pentagon Contracts Private Firms to Put Fusion Reactor in Space by 2027". Why do I doubt this so much?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 4 2022 22:37 utc | 109

How long before Turkey applies to become a member of Brics? It has been turned down for EU membership. There is no way that Finland and Sweden will fulfil their promises re Kurdish refugees- neither government, so far as I can tell is able to order extradition without Court approvals. There is the unresolved matter of the attempted coup by Gulen supporters. There is the logic of the Silk Road revival and there are the other countries, including Saudi Arabia, moving towards BRICs.

"...In November 1951, Moscow actually directed a note to Turkish Government protesting the latter’s decision to participate in NATO, which asserted that “it is quite obvious that the initiation to Turkey, a country which has no connections whatever with the Atlantic, to join the Atlantic Bloc, can signify nothing but an aspiration on the part of imperialist states to utilise Turkish territory for the establishment of military bases for aggressive purposes on the frontiers of the USSR.”

"The ideological aspirations in becoming an integral part — at least within the framework of a military alliance — of the western world played a decisive role in Turkey’s decision in 1951, whereas, in reality, there was no imminent or explicit Soviet threat to Turkey.... "thus Bhadramakumar at The Cradle https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/12567.

Turkey joined NATO at the same time that it sent troops to Korea to join the UN/US effort there. The experience of those troops was instructive, they came out of the experience resolved never again to defend a position with US military on a flank without expecting that flank to disappear at the first sign of the enemny.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 4 2022 22:44 utc | 110

once more on abortion: there was lots spilled on this subject a few days ago, but from the views of Nemesis, c1ue, et al, 4 things became crystal:
1) the anti-abortion zealots are in no way against murder, so they aren't against "child murder"
2) the anti-abortion fanatics could care less what women think, about pretty much anything
3) the anti-abortion stormtroopers know nothing about anything related to the history of abortion, incl simple embryology, and they don't care the slightest about their ignorance, only their blind faith that they are right (looking at you Nemesis and c1ue)
4) neither the anti-abortion fascists nor the democrat pseudo-opposition have any interest in contraception as the simple resolution to 99% of the practical issues and the empty pointless heat generated around abortion.

you know what people are whose state controls their marriage, fertility, etc.? SLAVES.

can't say it enough: the idea that these anti abortion fascists care about MURDER is so laughable...where to begin. they don't even care about the health of the host (aka mom) of the zygote, so how the hell is it that they care about the "health of the unborn"?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 4 2022 23:28 utc | 111

Regarding MoA's comment that 'the U.S. wants to weaken the EU as it rival' Pompeo's speech confirms his suspicion. https://southfront.org/u-s-led-holy-war-to-conquer-russia-and-china-declared-by-pompeo/

Pompeo essentially says that it is an imperative to ensure that the U.S. is the world's strongest power and to prevent the rise of Eurasia (Russia + China). I really hate that evil person.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 4 2022 23:37 utc | 112

great article on US slavery and reproduction rights, which, for the female slave, were/are one and the same. a taste:

"We don’t commonly recognize that slaveholders supported closing the trans-Atlantic slave trade; that they did so to protect the domestic market, boosting their own nascent breeding operation. Women were the primary focus: their bodies, their “stock,” their reproductive capacity, their issue. Planters advertised for them as they did for breeding cows or mares, in farm magazines and catalogues. They shared tips with one another on how to get maximum value out of their breeders. They sold or lent enslaved men as studs and were known to lock teenage boys and girls together to mate in a kind of bullpen. They propagated new slaves themselves, and allowed their sons to, and had their physicians exploit female anatomy while working to suppress African midwives’ practice in areas of fertility, contraception and abortion. Reproduction and its control became the planters’ prerogative and profit source. Women could try to escape, ingest toxins or jump out a window—abortion by suicide—except it was hardly a sure thing.

This business was not hidden at the time...."

meh. who gives a shit. god's pope says abortion is murder. rome has spoken.

another thing: the fanatic's knowledge of abortion, all of it, 100%, comes from religious celibates.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 4 2022 23:43 utc | 113

The Weather Network reports that Northern Canada is about to break heat records heading into the July 1 long weekend. Throughout June, temperatures across much of the region have been above-normal, with Inuvik, Northwest Territories on track to shatter its hottest temperature by Canada Day. The community’s all-time high of 32.8 degrees C, was reached twice, on June 7, 1999, and on July 20, 2001. As the mercury rises, Hudson’s Bay ice is melting at an astonishing rate. [more]

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 4 2022 23:51 utc | 114

Sensational post (and apologies if the translated quotes are crap) — the skeletal remains of a German AfD elected official were found. “Jürgen Kieninger was on a demanding climbing tour in October, which runs along the border between Bavaria and the Austrian state of Vorarlberg.” His body was just found recently thanks to drones. Authorities don’t believe he was pushed. “Kieninger was also on the supervisory board of the clinics of the district of Heidenheim. In his party, the AfD, Kieninger was treasurer on the board of the Heidenheim district association.”

https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuerttemberg/ulm/mann-aus-heidenheim-tot-aufgefunden-100.html

German politics does tend to shock me with stories like that one. Although a civil servant in Canada’s health ministry died snorkeling in Mexico recently.

“O'Farrell worked for a variety of newspapers including the Edmonton Sun, Maclean's Magazine, The Canadian Press, and the Ottawa Citizen, before switching into communications.

Eventually she became a speechwriter, most recently for Health Canada, where she wrote internal government speeches for Chief Public Health Officer of Canada Dr. Theresa Tam, among others.”

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/elaine-o-farrell-death-mexico-1.6444512

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 4 2022 23:56 utc | 115

Bad Deal Motors On #73


Interesting sort of? The only tragedy of Oz was on March 31st, 1931. You deliberately missed. Or, chose to overlook the period of major reform era 1971-1975. :)

To clarify, I spoke about now and the unfortunate mindset whereby people have their awareness/consciousness trapped in decades old propaganda bubbles that specify 'hate Russia', 'hate China'.

Certainly I did not overlook the major reform period of 71-75. I was part of it in a very vigorous way. But many are burdened and confined in the past perceptions/propaganda of our 'enemy'.

On that 71-75 period there is no doubt that Australian monetary and trade reform was bludgeoned to death by UKUSA. After that the foreign/right entrism into Australian political parties and public media became intense and all was directed to the glorification of globalism, public private partnerships, and 'all the way with USA' by both major political parties.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 5 2022 0:12 utc | 116

@ bevin | Jul 5 2022 1:19 utc | 117

i still can't open strategic culture here on vanc island..

403 Forbidden

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 1:41 utc | 118

@ rjb1.5

Geez man, for now anyway, you can still go to a degenerate blue state to kill your child. Take a fuckin' uber and biggity-bang, Planned-Parenthood can harvest your child's organs and tissue for big money. You win, they win. You can even get Taco Bell on your way home.

"Yo quiero un abortion y taco bell."

For now.

When a red state prosecutes a mother or doctor for killing an unborn child, it will go to the Supreme Court and then the Supreme Court will ascribe sacred personhood to the unborn.

At that point, it will be illegal. And we will be in the throes of some serious uncertainty wrt the union.

The fact that undoing Roe v. Wade not only can potentially save even one baby, but will also damage the centralized authority of the Fed, and potentially lead to the inevitable collapse of the Fed as we know it, is a win-win-win!

I'll say it again. You should be celebrating.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 1:54 utc | 119

james | Jul 5 2022 1:41 utc | 118

Most sites have now settled down to where I can now access them from east of Melbourne Australia. Our government is bad enough, both sides of the duopoly, but Canada seems particularly rabid.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 1:55 utc | 120

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 4 2022 9:27 utc | 77

Yeah I knew that was the name of the site and not the date of the article, LOL. I wasn't sure whether to type out "Nineteen Forty Five" or whatever they really call it, so I just went with "1945."

BTW, I'd never even heard of that site before b linked to it, had you? Genuinely curious. Also agree it's a good way to get a barometer for just how crazy some of these people are, and if you look at the "About Us" page there, it's a who's who of B-Level national security state hucksters still waiting for their (regular/recurring) paying gig at MSNBC, CNN or Fox News. Funny thing is they'd fit in just fine at any of those outlets, or even OANN.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2022 2:05 utc | 121

"....will also damage the centralized authority of the Fed, and potentially lead to the inevitable collapse of the Fed as we know it, is a win-win-win!"
NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 1:54 utc | 119

again, i already got that you neither know anything nor give the tiniest shit about this issue, nor its impact on women.

it's just a means to an end. to further your religious-fascist agenda.

states' exist, and states' right exist, exactly the way that corporations are people. but i don't think "yo quiero taco bell" really cares as long as the church gets some more altar boys.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 5 2022 2:16 utc | 122

@ james strugglng with Strategic Culture access

I use Opera and turn their VPN service on and off as needed...quite nice

as to the piece linked to by bevin I want to share the quote below
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It is why the situation is so grave and dangerous. In his influential 1981 book, MacIntyre argued that the Enlightenment project cut Western man off from his roots in tradition, yet failed to produce a binding morality based on Reason alone. Consequently, we live in a culture of moral chaos and fragmentation, in which many questions are simply impossible to settle. This indicates that we are headed to a Fourth Turning.
"

While the whole article is interesting and a good read, there are other ways to view some of what has happened to humanity along the way.

Human binding morality has evolved through paganism that in the West became patriarchy and monotheism around the Sumerian era. It was the patriarchy and monotheism that were challenged by the Enlightenment period and I agree that humanity didn't make it all the way to reason/logic but remains stuck in "moral chaos and fragmentation".

I disagree with the assertion in the quote above about culture with binding morality, "in which many questions are simply impossible to settle". While there are myriad cultural differences, the common structure of the social contract in the West has the God of Mammon cult running global private finance which all nations but the upstarts are under the jackboot of. The common feature of the upstart nations is having public finance as the core tenant of their social contract.

Wake up folks and see the obvious structural difference, consider the social implications and throw off your chains of obfuscation about how society operates.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2022 2:18 utc | 123

I want to add more to my comment about the quoted sentence
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Consequently, we live in a culture of moral chaos and fragmentation, in which many questions are simply impossible to settle.
"

To me, the moral chaos and fragmentation exist because the "binding morality" of monotheism is not present in the actions of the God of Mammon version, hence the OK of usury by the Catholics in complete opposite of the supposed morality.........doing God's Work as a God of Mammon acolyte is hypocritical to original monotheistic morals.

That is why I am so hard on those of faith because they are continuing the hypocrisy of the Western "social/antisocial" contract.

Give me a social system that is not the hypocritical cancer of profit for the few of the West, please and thank you!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2022 2:31 utc | 124

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 5 2022 2:16 utc | 122

Most people I know who say they want the whole thing to blow up and the US gov't to collapse aren't actually prepared (or have family and friends who aren't) for what to do when that happens. Having a small arsenal of 'military grade' weapons is only the first step; then you've got to have a safe, fortified place from which to operate, survival skills, etc. But in any reasonably sized city, once there's no running water or electricity for a week, it isn't going to be fun and probably won't get better knowing how crazy Americans (likely others, but I know the US) get when they have the option of doing that or calmly, politely working with their neighbors - or even people who they don't know at all - or just turning into bullies and bandits. Short version is shit won't be pretty, and a large number of people are going to die miserable deaths.

P.S. I see no connection between the Fed and abortion. What are you guys saying there?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2022 3:04 utc | 125

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 1:19 utc | 117

re the article, in the middle:

"What is fundamental, therefore, is our attention, or put differently, our disposition, towards the world. The mode of attention we bring to bear on the world changes what kind of a ‘thing’ comes into being for us. In that way, it changes the world. And, in that way too, we create ‘our World’, (or at least our representation of it). If we determine to imagine the world as machine, then ‘reality’ will present itself as a machine.

This is how ‘it is’. With the G7’s political leaders off in orbit on some imagined ‘representation of the world’, they are seemingly unaware of what they wrought: They do not hear or see. They are in thrall only to the plaudits of peers in their credentialled bubble. i.e., the like-minded."

The conclusion:

"The ancient notion was that a secure, ‘alive’ culture is the root to both personal and communal sovereign power. Its necessary and sufficient condition is to have, as its foundation, a people that is mentally ‘active’ and awake; one that is alive to the chimeric nature of the world; that may re-activate its vitality and its cultural strength, and thus prevail over the financially richer, and entrenched, forces of entropy."

Seeing the world including all living creatures as mechanical, which is the natural effect of adopting a metaphysical materialist view which permeates most contemporary cultures today is indeed a problem.

Put another way, the experience of sacredness, aka a vivid awareness of living presence in a field equally shared by self, other and phenomena, has been relegated to Marvel hero category or fairy tale. In so doing, our cultures have become increasingly heartless. Discussions about capitalism or communism or fascism or democracy have an overly abstract, systems-fascinated tenor that doesn't come anywhere near close to matching the vivid creativity of human nature and the human journey.

We must do better else we will numb ourselves into oblivion.

Are they trying to put together a more human and humane, a more alive and vibrant Way in Eurasia? Possibly. Or possibly this is the latest iteration of materialist Empire ringing out the old and ringing in the new although ultimately it's yet another same-old same-old.

But I think although the writer didn't go far down the road of prescribing what should be done, identifying the materialist machine mind which we project on ourselves and reality is a valuable place to start. We are all doing it all the time but few are ever aware of it, let alone its implications.

Btw, bevin, although clearly I have an embarrassingly poor knowledge of large swathes of 20th century history including especially viz the communist bloc, part of the reason I didn't look into them more is that I find the view mechanical in essence, or my preferred term materialist. And since I don't buy that living creatures are only biological machines I think it's a false view. And I also think that communism starts from that view, just like Darwin's theory and most of the sciences which developed in the past few centuries. To me they all fall far short of capturing, let alone furthering, human experience and culture, so I have never wanted to study them much. But that's just me.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 3:45 utc | 126

Saudi Arabia is making noise about joining BRICS !?

Does MBS have a death wish c/o the CIA?

Posted by: librul | Jul 5 2022 4:02 utc | 127

i still can't open strategic culture here on vanc island..403 Forbidden
Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 1:41 utc | 118

james, someone, I think it was S, who gave a work-around for that.
1. when you get the 403 Forbidden page, copy the original URL
2. paste that in Google Search and hit enter.
3. on the line of the first entry of the search results there are 3 vertical dots at the end.
4. click on those dots and you will get a box entitled 'About this result'.
5. in that box click on 'cache' in bottom right corner.
6. Shazaam!

I do it for other articles there while I'm still at the SC site.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 5 2022 4:27 utc | 128

BTW, I'd never even heard of that site before b linked to it, had you? Genuinely curious.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2022 2:05 utc | 121

No, I knew nothing of it. I'm curious how b found it unless he was trawling for opposition craziness (like we mentioned).

Just '1945' is a strange title tho,.
(I'm reminded of the movie '1900', another strange title. But that is a wonderful film with DeNiro and D. Sutherland.)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 5 2022 4:38 utc | 129

i still can't open strategic culture here on vanc island..403 Forbidden
Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 1:41 utc

I wasn't able to open in Montreal, either. I guess Baby Doc Trudeau and his minions have decided it's too dangerous for feeble-minded Canadians to read.

My work-around was to use archive.ph, the page had been archived a few hours before and was immediately readable.

Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jul 5 2022 5:03 utc | 130

Unless evidence otherwise emerges, I'm betting the release of SARS-CoV-2 was accidental. I don't for a second doubt that it was engineered at Detrick w/ help at Wuhan, however I keep thinking back to another (for now) conspiracy theory that the US was and is developing other biological warfare incl. viruses targeted at specific gene pools (i.e., Slavs), so if that is the case, why wouldn't the SARS-CoV-2 virus have been more specific to Asian/Han Chinese genetics? It doesn't seem that it is, and while I'm no expert on virology, if it was the researchers in China would have singled that fact out already.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 3 2022 20:12 utc | 33

Why would China feel any need to divulge that fact to the west? Inside China apparently it is common knowledge that the government treated covid as a bio weapon. There have been previous bio weapon attacks. I think it's completely observable from outside China that they are treating it as a bio weapon. Not an accidental release either.

Posted by: K | Jul 5 2022 5:51 utc | 131

This is the end of my day, July 4th and I am reading Biden/US trying to use/get chummy with China by saying roll back of Trump sanctions and going to China with some flunky and complaining about Russia "to show China support against Russia".

Desperation is what I read.

What will Biden/SA meeting result in...SA going with BRICS?

The shit show continues until it doesn't.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2022 6:00 utc | 132

To clarify, I spoke about now and the unfortunate mindset whereby people have their awareness/consciousness trapped in decades old propaganda bubbles that specify 'hate Russia', 'hate China'.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 5 2022 0:12 utc | 116

As with all rules, there are exceptions to the rule.

“You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

On a side note. The government-owned media ABCdotnet has moved the fact-check contact me behind a membership label log in . I would suspect it was due to the hammering over the lies that have been reported as fact concerning country 404.

My favorite attack piece sent to the ABC about reporting fiction as fact. Is the irrefutable link to the UN Human rights genocide report......

In addition, the ABC has dropped the daily floating Country 404 banner update. Reduced the content considerably. The Murdoch Propaganda which now dominates all Oz media is unchanged. The editor-in-chief and convicted serial liar/wife still operate in denial mode of global warming. The irony is he/she literally works in one of the greenest modern offices in Australia. The bulk of the news from 'Murdoch Propaganda' is provided via the Internets.....lol

However, there are still a number of beneficial reforms for the females of Oz. From that era that has not been rolled back and removed.

Female swing voters. Are slow to anger. Yet are a force to be reckoned with at the polling booth, when angered.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jul 5 2022 6:20 utc | 133

Re: why roe v wade matters

I lost a longer write-up but I think I can boil the question down to this.

When the Fed gets more powerful, the states lose power to differentiate themselves from other states.

Likewise, when the Fed loses power, when Roe v Wade is overturned, when the EPA loses its ability to regulate coal burning, you have states competing with each other.

I have already said that there will be a prosecution of either mother or a physician for having an abortion in a red state.

This case will go to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court will assign personhood to an unborn child.

Ipso facto, abortion is now illegal.

But, some blue states will not give in. Therefore, it will call into question the legitimacy of the Federal Gov't and as to why the Supreme Court needs to make rulings if they have no teeth.

In any case, and even if blue states relent and give in and do ban abortions with enforcement, it still means an incredibly fractured and hostile America, where the Fed will no longer be able to rally the troops to either foreign war abroad or with some stupid overreaching climate program.

The world will suffer much less when the American Golem is fighting itself. And, may I say, we do need a great internal struggle to right-the-ship.

I hope that helps. It's only the 10th time I have tried to explain why Roe v. Wade matters, even though some deluded leftists here think it's a distraction.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 6:22 utc | 134

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 4 2022 23:28 utc | 111 and following

Wonderfull, thank you.
I always admire your patience, and your insistence while posting on those topics.

That counterpunch article was a good read.

Posted by: phiw13 | Jul 5 2022 8:29 utc | 135

"[...] particles or waves, or what?"
Fields (and now we're much closer to the present rather than "olden days").

I'm being a bit cheeky, I'm certainly no expert or physicist but fields is a big part of what the current standard model of physics is about. Fields and probabilities.

This video is a very good 16 minutes short explanation/summary I would recommend to absolutely anyone: Quantum Field Theory visualized.

Watch it and see that it is a lot of fields and all possibilities of those fields interacting.

A very good illustration bridging the model to reality, almost :)

(The only issue I have with the video is that I don't like the statement that "virtual particles exist" since the virtual particles in essence are the mathematical fudge factor of something we haven't really understood yet).

The aforementioned video is so approachable and visual making everything "simple". As an antidote to thinking I understand more than I do I'll watch something like this lecture on Some Fundamentals of Quantum Entanglement by Arkani-Hamed (who is always good) given at a 2017 ICTP "spring school on superstring theory and related topics". It quickly makes me realize how little I truly grasp :D

And now my brain is fried XD

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 5 2022 8:41 utc | 136

An interesting two minute update on the shooting of Shireen Abu Akleh, featuring comments from the US Stare Department. Who said: couldn’t definitely conclude from examining the bullet who shot it; likely Israel; no evidence it was intentional

https://youtu.be/KosUTff8-fA

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 5 2022 9:23 utc | 137

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jul 5 2022 6:20 utc | 133

“You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

So much has changed since Abraham Lincoln made that statement in the 1860s that I think it needs to be updated. These days, with television, internet, Murdochs, advertising and the scientific manipulation of what the masses think Lincoln himself might now say:

"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you can fool most of the people most of the time."

Posted by: Chas | Jul 5 2022 11:43 utc | 138

@Posted by: librul | Jul 5 2022 4:02 utc | 128

Biden is traveling to Saudi Arabia in a few days
to put out his friendly hand and kiss a cheek.
Is there a better time for the CIA to slip a knife into MSB's back?
However, there would be the risk of the Saudis spilling the beans
about the CIA's role in September 11th. Who would know better than
the Saudis?

On the same trip Biden is traveling to Izrael.

Posted by: librul | Jul 5 2022 13:23 utc | 139

I get a kick from the gonzo journalism of Linh Dinh.... Share...enjoy...

"....I’m working on a book of recent writing about Vietnam. So far, there are chapters about Saigon, Vung Tau, Nghe An, Dien Bien Phu and Lao Cai. Although all these pieces have been published in English, they’ll be much more resonant in Vietnamese, to a Vietnamese audience.

Did I say “resonant”? I’ve missed my calling as a Jewish comedian. With less than 100 paid subscribers on SubStack, I can hardly resonate less! In English, that is...."

https://linhdinh.substack.com/p/im-transitioning/comments 

Posted by: Paul | Jul 5 2022 13:35 utc | 140

Oops my comment was in reply to Aleph_Null (Jul 3 2022 16:56 utc) and anyone else interested (the short video really is good).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 5 2022 14:00 utc | 141

Only partly influenced by the British Commonwealth connection, I have to salute MK Bhadrakumar’s brilliance as a diplomatic voice for India. It never occurred to me that bringing India (and Brazil?) into the security council could be a trap. Yet again, I fell for that democracy, equality and representation line. … sigh. Like that is going to be operating in the UN Security Council of all places.

So — his most recent article on how the EU economies are suffering after the US literally hustled them into this Ukraine… extravaganza.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/eu-economies-are-down-on-their-knees/

Then, just to add to my comment @ 81, he Tweets this about Denisov, Russian ambassador to China (who said no to Germany & Japan on the UNSC, yes to India and Brazil to promote democracy):

“A veteran diplomat with decade-long assignment already as envoy to Beijing (plus a lifetime of work almost exclusively on China in the Soviet era), whose voice will surely resonate in Beijing. Good for India.”
https://twitter.com/BhadraPunchline/status/1543862348372647936

It may be my Canadian bias but I tend to read his words there as ironic.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 5 2022 14:51 utc | 142

I will say when I wander into the realm of Canadian representation at the UN, there seems to be some sub-species of human creatures, barely recognizable in the outside world beyond that building in Manhattan. Except for Bob Rae - he’s got that mainstream Canadian vibe about him, although it explains why he acts so strangely at times (just fitting in with the locals). That’s my two cents on that.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 5 2022 15:01 utc | 143


@ B. Wildered | Jul 5 2022 12:47 utc | 11

Here is the original post message with links:

Interesting interview with Dima of military summary you tube channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_KfSJWF8I This channel provides excellent objective analysis of the military situation - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUnc496-PPmFZVKlYxUnToA

Posted by: suzan | Jul 5 2022 15:39 utc | 144

Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2022 3:04 utc | 126
Nemesis is an "ultramontanist", basically celebrating the dictatorship of the "celibate" childmolesters in Rome. The anti-abortion fascists use the supposed conflict, in the US, between "states' rights" and "federal authority" to destroy fundamental, universal, human rights, using the same legalese bullshit they used to justify slavery. it's a big pile of Jesuitical horseshit, and i mean Jesuitical as in "subverting the constitution", secularism, "separation of church and state", "laicite". Just look at the garbage Nemesis writes: we are going to use abortion to undermine the USG...so we can't fight climate change or whatever. can't say it enough: people like Nemesis know nothing and don't care about anything other than forcing their christo-fascist agenda on everyone else's body.

we all must bow the knee to the "whore of babylon" (if i can get all protestant on people having no small success at restoring the Inquisition), and this as a means of resisting the great evil that is the USG: back to Rome! we need Dostoevki's Grand Inquisitor, we meaning especially women. condoms break, but never papal infallibility (at least since Vatican 1 anyway. how does a person not recognize his own infallibility for 1800 years? maybe because they are...and i'm just spit balling here...going way out on a limb...fallible? i see nemesis now, piling up faggots and other social deadwood for an auto da fe).

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jul 5 2022 15:45 utc | 145

For any barflies who may feel that b is biased against comrades striving to elevate the humble existence of the worker, I’d like to point out that he just reTweeted - with agreement - a post from Sahra Wagenknecht

https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1544311731090067456

If he deletes my post, then we’ll know he’s an enemy, in clever disguise.

Sergei Lavrov gave an update on the Monroe doctrine:
“The overwhelming majority of Latin American and Caribbean countries, and probably all of them, are interested in developing ties with Russia. We will reciprocate.”

https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1544300924776095746

If the US takes a complete tumble and no longer provides super-powerful representation on the UNSC, I fear that the fragile tie to any law and order in the Americas may be severed, while Eurasia offshores its illicit operations, completely hidden from view. Maybe we’d need a rotating American representative on the UNSC so we can react quickly to emerging threats whack-a-mole style. And we’ll all need to spend more on our militaries. While plastering a non-removable humanitarian face to them. Trans-continental humanitarian military exercises. My two cents.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 5 2022 16:00 utc | 146

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 5 2022 1:55 utc | 121

thanks peter... rt works fine.. i really don't understand why strategic culture has been singled out by csis... i guess the coverage scares them, lol...

@ psychohistorian | Jul 5 2022 2:18 utc | 124

thanks! i am using brave, but i have tried firefox too and i think i get the same result.. let me try again.. nope..

@ waynorinorway | Jul 5 2022 4:27 utc | 129

wow... that works like a hot dam! i have the article open now!

@ Kingsmeg | Jul 5 2022 5:03 utc | 131

thanks! so many creative ways to resolve this apparently!

---------------------------------- this article better be good bevin for all this energy and work i and others have provided here!

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 16:13 utc | 147

Related stress in the European heartland:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/04/dutch-farmers-intensify-protests-form-transit-blockades-on-roads-bridges-and-ports-angered-by-new-energy-mandates-and-forced-livestock-reductions/

More stupidity? Or managed decline/collapse?

"Dutch Farmers Intensify Protests, Form Transit Blockades on Roads, Bridges and Ports, Angered by New Energy Mandates and Forced Livestock Reductions
July 4, 2022 | Sundance | 467 Comments
The politicians in Dutch government recently passed sweeping new climate regulations that will result in more than a third of farmers losing their business. The government announced a €25 billion plan to radically reduce the number of livestock in the country in order to curtail emissions.

As the Guardian reports, “A deal to buy out farmers to try to reduce levels of nitrogen pollution in the country had been mooted for some time,and was finally confirmed after the agreement of a new coalition government in the Netherlands earlier this week.” The plan is to reduce farming in the Netherlands, by a “one-third reduction in the numbers of pigs, cows and chickens in the country.” However, the farmers are fighting back."

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 16:16 utc | 148

I get a kick from the gonzo journalism of Linh Dinh.... Share...enjoy...
Posted by: Paul | Jul 5 2022 13:35 utc | 141

Gosh, thanks Paul. I love Linh Dinh's writing. Terrific sense of biting humor.
I've lost track of him since giving up C-Punch a few years ago. Nice to find him again.
I clicked on the link you gave which (strangely gave me a page not found but) had his articles listed.
So I opened the first one because it had a Vung Tau byline. I took my in-country R&R there during my
'tour of duty' in '69-70. Wonderful beaches. Still have my hand carved Buddha from there watching over me.

Here's couple more quotes from the article for those not familiar with him:


"A solitary confinement nation, the US isolates everyone. Though much relieved and grateful for any half night stand,
Americans can’t wait to get the fuck away from whom they just fucked. It’s the same with their foreign policies.

Each time I suggested a solution, I was shouted down by angry whites, because it’s their ballgame,
they screamed, so fine. It’s 11-1 in the bottom of the ninth, so last chance, y’all. The three whiffers
coming up have averages of .133, .028 and .044. Don’t let me ruin your rally!"

'half night stand', lol.
Thanks again, Paul
Check him out barflies.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 5 2022 16:19 utc | 149

that Israeli Professor Yuval Noah Harari is one sick dude.... it is thinking like his that is making the planet more messed up then it already is.... and to think this guy is given any opportunity to voice his crazy views is quite disturbing... that is what i got from the article...

i actually read one of his books, and didn't finish it.. can't remember the title - homo something.... it seemed like bullshit and drivel to me... a type of con job with ideas... i told a friend what i thought who is into him too.... we agreed to disagree on this author... i didn't realize his ideas have been given more relevance... his ideas are drivel..

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 16:24 utc | 150

@ Paul | Jul 5 2022 13:35 utc | 141

thanks paul.. i enjoyed that read and have to thank @ waynorinorway | Jul 5 2022 16:19 utc | 150 for pointing it out to me... thanks both... that was fun and insightful..

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 16:30 utc | 151

rjb1.5 | Jul 5 2022 15:45 utc | 146

Is there any good, real reason to keep neo-Platonism around, or shall we better just burn every elitist philosophy for heat?

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Jul 5 2022 16:33 utc | 152

@ rjb

You're an angry little man with a mind in the gutter.

But still the fact that you may be right about any accusations you make regarding our motivation for wanting to see Roe v. Wade end, it still does not change the inevitability of the scenario above that I laid out.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 16:36 utc | 153

@rjb1.5 #125
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
Particularly from TDS morons like yourself.

I made my view on abortion very clear in a past post:
I am not for banning all abortions - I am against that.

But I am also not for allowing all abortions, at any time before birth, for any reason.

The various legislatures will decide what makes sense for the people that elected them; if people don't like the outcome, change the legislators. This is a well defined and tested process.

Only dumbfucks who want their own way regardless of other people's views, act and speak as you do.

And you losers are getting more rabid when your very own tactics are being used against you: the SCOTUS acts in the 1960s and 1970s were used to overcome legislative logjams in the Democrats' favor; now the reverse is happening.

Tough shit.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 5 2022 16:46 utc | 154

Germany posts first ever monthly net trade deficit

NY Times source

so much winning... /sarc

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 5 2022 16:47 utc | 155

Rystad estimates total recoverable oil reserves down 9% year on year

This is what happens when capital expenses don't go up in tandem with prices; something I have been pointing to for many months now.

And lower reserves = less supply = higher prices. So unless we truly get a massive worldwide recession like RIGHT NOW, it is unlikely energy and other commodity prices are going to go down structurally.

My strong suspicion is that what we will see is a US/Five Eyes/EU/Japan recessions but everyone else will be fine. And unlike the 1990s, this doesn't throw the world into overall recession because the above nations are only 30% or so of global GDP vs. the 62%+ back then.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 5 2022 16:50 utc | 156

So yesterday on SWR.de (not SVR, sorry) there was this report that caught my attention because it featured a photo of an arm with a pink rash on it. Here in monkeypox central, I’ve seen many of those. But this one was about grass mites. Unrelated. Then I saw a report on Sputnik today about illicit cigarettes possibly contaminated with mites and feces hitting the streets of Britain. This is not to suggest that pox is spread via mite is it??? Is it?? Geez. (And why can’t German farmers sell all their bumper crop of cherries, don’t the Chinese just buy all of them like in Canada? Enough SWR - I’d love a parmesan schnitzel with paprika vegetables though.)

I’m signing off for the day. Good day or whatever time it is where you are, to the bar. Look forward to reading through more of your posts (which I do even without responding. Great stuff!!)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 5 2022 17:11 utc | 157

@Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 5 2022 4:27 utc | 129

good advice!

If you use DuckDuckGo search

1) enter: !cache into the search box
2) follow the word !cache with the desired URL
for example: !cache www.strategic-culture.org
3) hit enter

This will take you directly to Google's cached entry

Posted by: librul | Jul 5 2022 17:13 utc | 158

@Posted by: librul | July 05, 2022 at 17:13

A quick test of the search engine Brave
appears to indicate that the same instructions
that worked for DuckDuckGo also work for Brave

Posted by: librul | Jul 5 2022 17:19 utc | 159

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 16:24 utc | 151

" i didn't realize his ideas have been given more relevance... his ideas are drivel.."

A great Israeli guru leading the way towards the natural fruition of the materialist mindset, a world where machines finally outstrip humans, a world in which humans and other creatures are no more than biological machines in an essentially lifeless universe. Most of the Big Tech titans worship him apparently....

These people must not be given free rein to ruin the planet whilst spouting platitudes about 'sustainability' and 'carbon neutrality' and all these other junk science psyop BS terms....

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 17:25 utc | 160

so much winning... /sarc

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 5 2022 16:47 utc | 156

For those behind NYT paywall, an archived version without graphics:
https://archive.ph/N013U

Or those with Telegram a nice graph
https://t.me/scottritterlivestreams/630

The managed collapse continues....

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 17:33 utc | 161

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 1:54 utc | 120

"When a red state prosecutes a mother or doctor for killing an unborn child, it will go to the Supreme Court and then the Supreme Court will ascribe sacred personhood to the unborn."

I believe that
a) hardly any jurisdictions will prosecute women, but they might go for those providing or advertising an abortion service

b) a future Court might take the case but the current court won't based on their recent ruling. Since there is no constitutional right to abortion meaning that professionals, including those working in Christian Hospitals or Clinics MUST provide such services, a professional refusing to provide such service in a State which does not statutorily require it will not get such a case heard.

Of course in a different SCOTUS they might.

In any case, I bet you than within a few years most States will legalize abortion before X weeks for Y reasons and each state will end up being quite similar. A few states might keep the weeks to full-term and a couple might ban it altogether but most will settle around 12 weeks and be reasonable about allowing the procedure up until then and afterwards lower the boom. Basically it means that any unwanted pregnancy can be terminated but far less taxpayer money will go into advertising for and providing the service and no doctor will be forced to perform one against his or her will.

It will only be a big issue if the powers that be decide they need it for election purposes to get the female vote.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 17:45 utc | 162

@Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 17:45 utc | 163

I believe that
a) hardly any jurisdictions will prosecute women
______________________________________________

Their ideological ancestors burned women as witches. Of course they're going to prosecute women, that's the whole point.

Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jul 5 2022 18:07 utc | 163

Moving the goalposts on what it means to be free
and fully vaccinated.


Canadians will be required to get a Covid shot every nine months for the foreseeable future, says Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos. Previous definitions of “fully vaccinated” made no sense, he told reporters: “We will never be fully vaccinated against Covid-19.”

https://www.blacklocks.ca/well-never-be-fully-vaxxed/

Moving the goalposts...MUCH?

Boiled frogs, anyone?

Posted by: librul | Jul 5 2022 18:18 utc | 164

james@148
Sorry about that. Here in civilised Ontario SC is always on tap. Except when it isn't, when we don't bother.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 18:36 utc | 165

@ Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 5 2022 8:41 utc | 137

Warm thanks for the links bearing quantum info, for which I thirst. You might be familiar with Peter Woit's Not Even Wrong blog. Lurking over there, I encounter folks who sympathize with the discomfort I have for multidimensional multiverses and suchlike theological themes and superstrings, apparently suffusing academic physics. What you say about fields sounds solid to me as a constructive way out of the rut. Just so there's something to test -- some possibility of mooring theory back to a meaningful relationship with data, before it floats entirely out of reach!

I somehow transposed the pub date of de Broglie's classic The Revolution in Physics (1953). In a later chapter called The Probability Interpretation de Broglie narrates his own philosophical quandaries. Upon initially formulating wave mechanics, de Broglie considered himself a strict Cartesian, yearning to maintain some unity between quantum reality and classical physics (with relativity). In 1927, he presented something he called a "pilot-wave" theory to eminences such as Bohr and Einstein -- who were unanimously unimpressed. So he gave up and submitted to Copenhagen Whateverism for 25 years, until hearing from David Bohm around 1951, with ideas about resurrecting the pilot-wave:

Doubtless, after having seen me abandon my original endeavors in this direction and then expound the interpretation of Bohr and Heisenberg in all my writings during 25 years, some will perhaps accuse me of inconsistency at seeing me express some new doubts on this subject, and will ask me if my first attitude was not after all the right one. To this, if I may joke, I can answer with Voltaire: "A stupid man is one who doesn't change."

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 5 2022 18:41 utc | 166

@163 scorpion

It's fine you have your opinion on it, but I am curious why you think the USSC wouldn't hear a case of a state v. An abortion "doctor" for murder charges?

Curious, would like to know why you think and also a precedent for not hearing it?

Not being an American or being out of the states for a good while, I am not so sure you have a good idea about what red states are prepared to do, especially in light of their belief that the 2020 election was stolen.

We shall see, but I can definitely picture the fractured discourse between states red and blue increasing. And simply by sticking a moist finger into the air. It really is that simple. People here in the states don't want to mention it, but we are all waiting for the other shoe to drop. Something big is heading this way.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 19:29 utc | 167

@Scorpion #163

You said

In any case, I bet you than within a few years most States will legalize abortion before X weeks for Y reasons and each state will end up being quite similar. A few states might keep the weeks to full-term and a couple might ban it altogether but most will settle around 12 weeks and be reasonable about allowing the procedure up until then and afterwards lower the boom. Basically it means that any unwanted pregnancy can be terminated but far less taxpayer money will go into advertising for and providing the service and no doctor will be forced to perform one against his or her will.

Just because Roe v. Wade was struck down, does not mean abortions are now illegal. All it means is that the Federal government can not diktat abortion laws to the states.

That is it.

And since Roe v. Wade has been in force since the 1970s, there are no laws banning all forms of abortion anywhere in the United States right now - so it is not the least bit clear to me what you are trying to say above.

If you are, instead, trying to say what the various state-level laws that will be passed in the future might be - ok, that's possible but ultimately there zero point in speculating.
The replacement state level laws are going to be sausage making of the finest variety...

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 5 2022 19:34 utc | 168

Biden falling

Most Americans say Federal Government's actions hurting them financially

The majority of Americans say the actions of the federal government are hurting their family when it comes to their top financial concern, according to a new poll.

The Monmouth University poll found that 57 percent of respondents held this view, compared to between 34 percent and 47 percent in prior polls. Only 8 percent said that politicians in Washington have helped them.

Biden approval rating plummets to new low marking year-high disapproval

When respondents are broken down by party affiliation, Biden is still highly popular among Democratic voters, of whom 74 percent approve of his job in the White House. By contrast, only 29 percent of independents and 3 percent of Republicans say the same.

538 is showing Biden under 39% approval and -17.3% net approval.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 5 2022 19:44 utc | 169

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 6:22 utc | 135

There isn't any established legal precedent in the US or UK for establishing a fertilized blastocyst as a human being with full rights. If we're going to go way back, we come to what was known as "quickening" which obviously is the time a fetus can first be felt moving on its own. IIRC, quickening was something like 10-15 weeks into a pregnancy. Up to that point, abortions were legally performed even in the early Christian colonies.

"Usually, quickening occurs naturally at about the middle of a pregnancy. A woman pregnant for the first time (i.e., a primigravida woman) typically feels fetal movements at about 18–20 weeks, whereas a woman who has given birth at least once will typically feel movements around 15–17 weeks."

I seriously doubt that any laws to be passed defining life as the instant of conception will stand up to judicial or scientific scrutiny. It's also nearly impossible to enforce without resorting to even more surveillance and violation of other rights. This could very well go the opposite direction from what you're cheering for. It will take time though.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 5 2022 21:44 utc | 170

@ Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 17:25 utc | 161

thanks.. i agree with you!

@ bevin | Jul 5 2022 18:36 utc | 166

thanks! no problem as @ waynorinorway | Jul 5 2022 4:27 utc | 129 has a way to work around that which he got from the poster S perhaps...

Posted by: james | Jul 5 2022 22:06 utc | 171

My @ 147 re creative use of UN Security Council seat for Americas — this suggestion was inspired by actual events. Who remembers this??

1989 UN Security Council Election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_United_Nations_Security_Council_election

And then there was the invasion of Panama. And one thing led to another (too much to detail).

Fidel Castro speaks to the invasion of Panama.
http://lanic.utexas.edu/project/castro/db/1989/19891222.html

“We have been warning about this for over 1 year, ever since we had the ceremony with the militiamen in the Plaza de la Revolucion, and during many other occasions. Even a few days ago, during the funeral of the comrades who died in internationalist missions, we said what we thought about the imperialist interpretation of peace. We said what we thought about the dangers of the current situation, about the evolution from a bipolar to a unipolar
world under the hegemony of the United States with the (?multiple) role of gendarme who no longer stops anywhere. It intervenes in Asia as easily as it intervenes in Africa, Latin America--the right to be a gendarme, the right to say what kind of government a country should have, and if it does not have one, the right to overthrow it. We said that the only guarantee and safety that our people could have was the one that we were capable of conquering with our heroism.

40. How little confidence can one have today in international law when we see these things! How little confidence can one have in international institutions when we see these and other things. How little confidence can one have in the United Nations when we see these things! How little confidence can we have in the UN Security Council, which cannot even deliver a mediocre resolution passing judgment on these actions--its members are debating who the Panamanian representative is, whether it is the representative of the puppet government installed there or the representative of the attacked government, which has been recognized by dozens of countries around the world. They are discussing that. Up until now it has not been able to state that the representative accepted is that of the Panamanian Government, the pro-Torrijos government of Panama, the anti-imperialistic Government of Panama. Not even this has the new UN Security Council been able to decide.

Here we have to draw the lessons which, despite being well known, should continue to be a subject of permanent reflection. I am not pessimistic because I believe in peoples. I particularly believe in these Latin American peoples, who have been so humiliated, so plundered, so exploited, so attacked; because I believe in the mixture of Indians, of blacks, and of Spaniards, and even in some who are not Spaniards, and in those having Asian blood who make up our peoples, especially our people, and to a larger or to a lesser degree in the Latin American mixture. I believe in these peoples; not as a matter of faith, but because I have seen them fighting, I have seen them in the battle. I admire the way Latin Americans today despise [rephrases] I am referring to the peoples because there are still governments that are not brave enough to face events, but the peoples are defiant of the imperialist might. Any country, no matter how small, has put up a fight. The Grenadians fought; the Nicaraguans fought against Somoza's genocidal army, which was created by the United States. The Nicaraguans also fought against the invading mercenaries, the war imposed by the United States. The Salvadorans have fought with unsurpassable heroism. The Panamanian patriots have also fought with extraordinary heroism.

42. Without a single exception, these peoples are losing their fear of the soldiers of the empire. We do not have to talk about the people of Cuba. We know quite well what would be waiting for them here if one day they dared invade our fatherland. I believe they are aware of that and if they are not, they should be; because we have not wasted time; because we have challenged this empire for 30 years; because the more aggressive the empire, the more we prepared to face it with our own forces, which are enough to defend our fatherland, which would be defended not only with unprecedented heroism but also with the best technological means within our reach, with the best military and political ideas, with the best of strategies, with the best tactic.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jul 5 2022 22:12 utc | 172

"...That is why I am so hard on those of faith because they are continuing the hypocrisy of the Western "social/antisocial" contract.

Give me a social system that is not the hypocritical cancer of profit for the few of the West, please and thank you!"

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 5 2022 2:31 utc | 125

I hope you can elaborate on this,psychohistorian, as I am seeing a non-sequitur here between your two final sentences. I in my foolishness would suppost that faith would lead one directly to 'a social system that is not the hipocritical cancer of profit for the few...western, eastern, north or south.

Yes, I am funning you. I know what you mean but those you describe are really, perhaps, NOT 'of faith', yes?

Posted by: juliania | Jul 5 2022 23:43 utc | 173

Woops, posted before corrections, sorry.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 5 2022 23:44 utc | 174

Does anyone know what happened to Sputnik.com? Just looked at it for the first time in many months. It appears to have been professionally hacked. Rabidly anti-Putin, no editorial board or contact data.

Posted by: TPaine | Jul 6 2022 0:30 utc | 175

Posted by: bevin | Jul 5 2022 1:19 utc | 117

re the article, in the middle:

"What is fundamental, therefore, is our attention, or put differently, our disposition, towards the world. The mode of attention we bring to bear on the world changes what kind of a ‘thing’ comes into being for us. In that way, it changes the world. And, in that way too, we create ‘our World’, (or at least our representation of it). If we determine to imagine the world as machine, then ‘reality’ will present itself as a machine..."

...We must do better else we will numb ourselves into oblivion.

since I don't buy that living creatures are only biological machines I think it's a false view. And I also think that communism starts from that view, just like Darwin's theory and most of the sciences which developed in the past few centuries. To me they all fall far short of capturing, let alone furthering, human experience and culture, so I have never wanted to study them much. But that's just me.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 5 2022 3:45 utc | 127

Forgive me for jumping in and taking a new tack on this conversation, which I'm finding more interesting than just sitting around waiting for more rain, numbing myself into oblivion, as the saying goes. Also forgive the extraction of just a few parts of your long response, Scorpion.

Here's my additional input, and strangely enough - I have to begin with another quote from Goethe:

So, waiting, I have won from you the end:
God's presence in each element.

[Oops, that epigraph was unintended but I guess essential. Please overlook any theological import, for the moment at least. I was intending the following only, but it can't be helped, epigraphs are important!]

TO MAN THE WORLD IS TWOFOLD, in accordance with his twofold attitude.

The attitude of man is twofold, in accordance with the twofold nature of the primary words which he speaks.

The primary words are not isolated words but combined words.

The one primary word is the combination I-Thou.

The other primary word is the combination I-It; wherein, without a change in the primary word, one of the words He and She can replace It.

Hence the I of man is also twofold.

For the I of the primary word I-Thou is a different I from that of the primary word I-it.

[Martin Buber; "I and Thou"]


Posted by: juliania | Jul 6 2022 0:40 utc | 176

Sputnik

TPaine; I think Sputnik.com gave up on the west and does everything on Telegram now or something like that (I haven't bothered myself). What you're seeing is likely somewhere redirected that the intelligence agencies are sending you (not "hacked" as such but "stolen" by DNS redirection and/or abandoned).

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Quantum Field Theory / physics

It is probably better to listen to things such as the lecture I'll link to than to read my comments but I'm giving it a shot :)

I notice we're right up at and over the Shannon limit (side track: which is universal for all communication, not only digital since everything can be translated into Boolean information) and that information is being "lost"; there's nothing wrong with that and the only solution is to try to retransmit. This stuff is not easy, not at all. I am aware of my own failures so please do not worry about any of that if it ever occurs to you (being humans is hard and the Shannon limit is fierce, we can not blame ourselves too much for what is natural/fundamental).

Back on track.

Aleph_Null wrote:

"What you say about fields sounds solid to me as a constructive way out of the rut."
It is and has been for sort of a century as it is where the developments of the last century gradually got us: fields (or to be exactingly precise: current Quantum Field Theory aka QFT) as described in that video is the current paradigm of physics/particle physics/high energy physics (HEP)/fundamental physics.

Except (broadly speaking) for "cosmology" (ie. special —not general— relativity (ie. the focus on "gravity", space-time etc.)) which is the last remaining piece of all we know that doesn't fit in together with everyhting else in the way we think about it. Yet :) However... (and here I'll get "theological", see the end note where I continue this).

In other words what the video amazingly manages to summarize in a mere 16 minutes is an overview of the fundamentals of "nearly everything" (apologies to cosmologists) that everyone currently studying physics are learning! And in an approachable, visual, and clear manner that almost makes the concepts intuitive. It is incredibly information rich despite being a summary and manages to be very correct despite being simple.

Maybe it is too good in a "blink and you'll miss it" kind of way.

QFT is in essence the sum of everything (including general relativity but excepting special relativity —as mentioned) discovered so far which of course also inherently includes/excludes everything that has been rejected along the way such as for example the idea of pilot waves (which might still be a useful concept in specific circumstances) just as much as for example Newtonian classical mechanics are still used for initial physics education. There are still physicists including Nobel prize winners utilizing or investigating some stuff with reference to pilot waves but at this point in time it is relegated to "far out" highly speculative stuff, more so than many of the things people can consider too "theological" as you put it (more commonly described as "esoteric").

End note:
I personally think Nima Arkani-Hamed is very close to or at least on the right track to unifying the last bit as well in way of making it redundant, or at the very least he has a very interesting approach to it. Here's a recent (2018) version of a public talk concerning the topic and also a little about his approach "The End of Spacetime" but this is from the very edge of developments in physics and always subject to drastic change. There are more videos like this by him that go into slightly different detail.

Incidentally that video without mentioning "pilot wave" by name explains briefly (before getting to the main topic) why the concept of pilot waves is redundant as far as ordinary modern physics is concerned; quantum mechanics doesn't need it as a concept any more than it needs Newtonian determinism, both disappear in favor of more direct and better or more useful explanations and concepts aka "the principle of least action".

While it is a public lecture that last video is also incredibly information rich and fast (fast enough to give me a headache no matter how much I love this guy) and covers a lot of ground (in comparison by example and reference to that other video "Some fundamentals of quantum entanglement" I linked to previously which went into the nitty gritty details of something entirely different with monotonicity, relative entropy, and subadditivity (a mouthful)).

I have to stop here, best regards forward and may you grasp things quicker and better than I'm able to :) (it takes me hours to write a comment like this one).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 6 2022 1:02 utc | 177

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 19:29 utc | 168

"It's fine you have your opinion on it, but I am curious why you think the USSC wouldn't hear a case of a state v. An abortion "doctor" for murder charges?

Curious, would like to know why you think and also a precedent for not hearing it?"

OK. I might not have been clear (and also might not be suggesting something intelligent!).

First: I doubt a woman is going to be prosecuted for having an abortion because so many AG's in Red States have already stated this flatly. If she is, it will go to SCOTUS as a woman challenging the State Law on abortion which she has knowingly broken and I doubt the Court will take it because the controversy (or cause of action is you prefer) involves an individual versus a Law and for it to go to SCOTUS there has to be a constitutional failing in the Statute. Now: if the statute is very poorly written perhaps there is a case to be heard. But if that is not the case and the woman's quarrel is that the Law itself is unconstitutional, she will not be able to use the 'abortion is a right' argument because the Court will not be hearing that case I don't think. They just ruled on it. A future court? Maybe. But if they determine a fetus is a person etc. then they are behaving unlawfully. Doesn't mean you won't be proven right.

And the same goes for if it's not a woman but a doctor.

Now that I've typed it out longhand I have to say I don't have a big argument with you because IF the Court changes to activist liberal, then you are right: they WILL take these cases and they probably WILL rule that a fetus is NOT a human being. But you were arguing that this conservative court would take the case and rule that a fetus IS a human being. I think this court will not take that case because they have already ruled that abortion is something for States to make laws for and the people to elect representatives to fashion laws they like.

As to being out of touch with the States, definitely! Haven't lived there since the 80's though until five years ago visited quite often because family. (I like the new use of because without 'of' - cool..) And I do tend to follow US media because English.

I feel for the deplorables, I must confess, even though I am not one nor probably would be if I lived Stateside right now. (Mainly because I hate partisan politics in particular and group causes in general - a personal foible.) But I'm rooting for them even though at this point I think they are a few decades too late. America is a sick clown show. It must be infuriating, heartbreaking, depressing. It makes me quite sad to contemplate so I try not to. I loved the great exuberance and promise of America growing up, first as a schoolboy in England with grandparents in the US whom I saw every year (was the first six year old to fly unaccompanied from Heathrow to NYC back in the day - a big fuss was made by the airline!) and then as a young man for a wild, exhilarating decade in my twenties (mainly) from 1974 to 1986.

Margaret Atwood on the Q program on CBC Canada said a few years back:

"What happened to the Americans? They used to be so much fun!"

Or as Trump might tweet: 'Sad!'

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 1:12 utc | 178

Okay one more thing!

Funny Nima Arkani-Hamed quote from the "End of Spacetime" talk:

"Every time I try to get mathematicians to explain to me what this theory is they look at me as if, you know, as if I was asked to explain Einstein's Theory of Relativity to my dog"

—Nima Arkani-Hamed trying to figure out Alexander Grothendieck

Both have Wikipedia pages for those interested.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 6 2022 1:19 utc | 179

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 5 2022 19:34 utc | 169

"And since Roe v. Wade has been in force since the 1970s, there are no laws banning all forms of abortion anywhere in the United States right now - so it is not the least bit clear to me what you are trying to say above."

Not true (imo). Within an hour Missouri AG or Gov got up and said the old laws on the books which had been superseded by Row vs Wade were now in force again. And I think something like 13 other States followed suit within a day or so for the same reason.

"If you are, instead, trying to say what the various state-level laws that will be passed in the future might be - ok, that's possible but ultimately there zero point in speculating."

Well, the speculation was just an offering to Nemesis to suggest that probably once the furor dies down from the recent ruling that within a year or two most States will probably have safe, legal abortion (with counselling or other requirements) up to 12 weeks and thereafter only for medical reasons to preserve the life of the mother (like after car crash or violence). And if you live in a very strict State no doubt you can find a clinic within a few hours drive where it's okay.

I may be wrong but I sense that most women and men are comfortable with the notion that after 12 weeks you bring that little baby into the world rather than snuffing it out but if the law gives you 12 weeks to decide, okay you can terminate up until then. (Personally I think 7 weeks is better but that's just me.)

But what this means is that fairly soon there probably won't be much of an abortion issue. If you live in a very Blue State which insists that you can have abortions up to term, that doesn't mean that anyone is going to force you to have one if you believe otherwise. If you live in a very Red State but are a liberal and are constrained after 12 weeks, you can cross State lines temporarily or permanently.

It was a bad Law incorrectly made by the wrong body. It's been struck down. No big deal.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 1:22 utc | 180

TPaine | Jul 6 2022 0:30 utc | 176

https://sputniknews.com/
Does that work?

Posted by: bevin | Jul 6 2022 1:28 utc | 181

"... it will call into question the legitimacy of the Federal Gov't and as to why the Supreme Court needs to make rulings ..."

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 5 2022 6:22 utc | 135

This happened for me when the Supreme Court stopped the legitimate recount of the vote in 2000. We've been limping along since then. Also, when they ruled in the Citizens United case. In a true democracy, wealth is not power and corporations are not people. So, this makes three times - in baseball terms, you're out!

Posted by: juliania | Jul 6 2022 1:30 utc | 182

Posted by: juliania | Jul 6 2022 0:40 utc | 177

"

So, waiting, I have won from you the end:
God's presence in each element.

WOW! That's it in a five words.
But a little more before the next, which relates.
We live in a two-fold world as the epigraph illustrates: God....element. In arcane Buddhist lingo this is called formless and form or space and form or emptiness and form. In daoism and yoga lineages they get a lot of mileage about the co-existing but different inner and outer realms of experience. This is all the same in different packages.

Speaking very practically viz. ordinary everyday perception we all have inner and outer world experience. The outer world is something we experience as being apart from ourselves 'out there' and the inner world is 'me in here,' feelings within the body, feelings, emotions, thoughts, the person who sees things through his or her eyes and so forth.

But never is the outer world experienced except with simultaneous inner world and vice versa. We like to posit a self-existing objective reality, often called 'scientific reality' but no such thing can ever be verified because we are unable to experience anything without both inner and outer realms being present. Indeed, this is what the CERN and other particle crowd discovered again and again even though it breaks the materialist superstition that a self-existing physical world exists outside any mind realms which are fictive creations which exist only inside peoples' heads.

This is a convoluted way of saying that life is meaningful, every person, every thing, every moment. All and everything, inner and outer. The love of the outer comes from within. It's very simple and only words make it seem otherwise.

Next passage:

"The one primary word is the combination I-Thou.

The other primary word is the combination I-It; wherein, without a change in the primary word, one of the words He and She can replace It.

Hence the I of man is also twofold.

For the I of the primary word I-Thou is a different I from that of the primary word I-it.

[Martin Buber; "I and Thou"] "

I am not sure I understand this but I think he is saying there is a difference between how the I is experienced depending on its relationship with other. Other can be a 'thou' or it can be a 'he, she, it'. A thou is intimate, a thou looks back into your soul as you peer into hers where as a he, she it is at a distance, is an other, is outside. And his point is that the way self is experienced depends upon how other is viewed/experienced which goes back to the source quote I first posted from the article.

Did I get it? It's a little clunkily composed (says someone who keeps being unable to write proper sentences here!).

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 1:51 utc | 183

@179 scorpion

Yes, America is no longer any fun. I completely agree. The "left" in this country has completely made comedy verboten. There is also an atmosphere of paranoia because we often neglect talking politics here out of politeness, but as it approaches a fever pitch, so does our curiosity about the other standing in front of us, and what they think about this or that, etc..

Yes, I see that these states may not prosecute mothers for seeking an abortion but will go after "doctors." In that case, the accused will appeal as to if states have the right to prosecute for having an abortion. In that way, you can see that the game has always been to kick the can back and forth now until the real question is brought before the Supreme Court: is the fetus a human being and so an American that has rights to life under the constitution.

I see what you are saying in that you think the Supreme Court has just decided that states can do what they want, but you must also believe that an abortion "doctor" will undoubtedly appeal the constitutionality of being tried for murder of a fetus.

So it really seems to me that the whole subject will be kicked back again to the USSC where the question of the fetus and its rights will be decided once and for all.

Imo.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 6 2022 2:57 utc | 184

Addendum to my post to scorpion

I thought about a better way to encapsulate it:

There is a difference between the state having the ability to render abortion illegal and the action of trying a defendant for murder of the unborn.

Do you see the difference there?

They are not the same question.

And the latter carries with it the implication of deciding if that thing exterminated has sacred personhood status.

Hope that helps.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 6 2022 3:19 utc | 185


Did I get it? It's a little clunkily composed (says someone who keeps being unable to write proper sentences here!).
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 1:51 utc | 184

Yes, you did get it! But it is just the beginning...Thanks, Scorpion! I'm off to bed - that was lovely. Buber composed this treatise, by the way, in 1922 in Germany as Ich und Du, and he builds on these early sentences a philosophical structure in three parts, along with postscript. My partial understanding has been that the 'I-Thou' describes a meeting, whilst 'I-It' is statement of fact. That's a simplification, I'm rusty - will have to reabsorb. I do know he goes into the mechanical side as well as what he touches on here, relationships. And as I remember he doesn't discount I-It, says most of our dealings are with that. Interested me that he's in between wars, in Germany - a student or young professor I would guess.

[I had the devil of a time doing those italics!]

Posted by: juliania | Jul 6 2022 4:17 utc | 186

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 6 2022 3:19 utc | 186

"There is a difference between the state having the ability to render abortion illegal and the action of trying a defendant for murder of the unborn.

Do you see the difference there?

They are not the same question.

And the latter carries with it the implication of deciding if that thing exterminated has sacred personhood status.

Hope that helps."

OK, but I still disagree, my unfamiliarity with USA notwithstanding because:

they will not be 'trying a defendant for the murder of an unborn' but for criminally violated Statute X... which states that no person may lawfully perform an abortion in this jurisdiction; if they do the following criminal penalties may apply if found guilty in a Court of Law in this State.' Or somesuch.

The doctor is the one who is going to have to challenge that a fetus is a human being but why would the doctor do that? OK: the doctor can challenge the law on the basis that the fetus is NOT a human being and therefore the law is wrong. But the law doesn't say that. The law, written by elected representatives, is just saying that nobody is allowed to perform the medical procedure known as abortion. The reason is irrelevant and probably won't even be in the statute language if it is properly composed.

Well, my main objection to your proposition is really confined to the current SCOTUS. I don't believe they will hear any cases like this after their recent 6-3 ruling kicking it back to the States. But of course, times change and courts too so with a liberal court a way will be found to reverse this.

A pity though: both the Congress in DC and all State Legislatures have an opportunity here to make clear laws about this issue which Row vs Wade had short-circuited incorrectly due to early,

Just so you know: I have no personal axe to grind with this issue either way but for some reason it's been a hot button issue for quite some time in the States. I regard it as just another quasi satanic wedge issue that has been used to weaken the country and isolate people generally.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 4:35 utc | 187

@188 scorpion

Yes, I see what you are saying but I believe there, if there isn't already, WILL be a law in a red state that has abortion count as murder. Some states will be emboldened by this ruling and change the law to reflect murder. It'a prediction, yes, but I think it is a sound one.

Then, the U.S. Supreme Court will have to rule on the personhood of the fetus.

My prediction anyway. But time will tell.

Cheers.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 6 2022 6:40 utc | 188

Gonzalo Lira broke his silence yesterday to talk about the Dutch farmers' strike on YouTube. There was a comment I saw that said that the real reason for the unrest was that the government just wants to take the farmers' land and has developed the nitrogen BS to "justify" what is in plain English a LAND GRAB. If so, this is where we are heading: what started with shutting (pardon me, "freezing") the Convoy activits' bank accounts and seizing Russian assets (including Russians' assets), has now evolved into a naked confiscation - arbitrarily - of anything that the government - or whoever is behind them - wants.

Lira's video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2HYnbs02Vs

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 6 2022 9:25 utc | 189

Posted by: librul | Jul 6 2022 13:07 utc | 192


I collected a few Joe Tzu's off an on though missed some really good ones too. I think one of those would be great on a mug.

It's a tough job, but somebody's got to blow it!
Joe Tzu.

Hair on the head: sniff it; hair on the legs, stroke it!
Joe Tzu.

Remember: wherever you go, there you aren't! Joe Tzu.

If you adjust your positions in response to changed circumstances you will never err. Joe Tzu.

We shall demonstrate our unflubbable resolve by fighting to the last damn Ukrainian! Joe Tzu.

If everyone uses nukes, there'll be no one left to blame. Joe Tzu

Don't lean on rhetorical malaprops to pack powerful punks. Joe Tzu

It doesn't matter if U.S. Intelligence tells you wrongly that the enemy is running out of ammunition, as long as U.S. Intelligence doesn't run out of imagination. Joe Tzu Posted by: Leuk | Jun 26 2022 9:26 utc | 17

If everyone uses nukes, there'll be no one left to blame. Joe Tzu
War is deception. That’s why we have put billions into our stealth aircraft.
After all, the enemy can’t see our planes when they are in da skies.
Joe Tzu
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
That's why I try to be myself Joe Tzu

The art of war lies in graduated response
Never go senile all at once. Joe Tzu

I wandered lonely but still proud
The secret service wave a shroud
Screaming something very loud
Drowned out by yonder mushroom cloud!

Spontaneously Composed Doggerel by
Hilarious Joe Belloc

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 17:12 utc | 190

ahahaahaha FX parity watch -- the Tom "geopolitical analyst hold my beer" Luongo Method

Mercouris today ("Japan, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Germany[,] and UK. Global economic collapse") fumbling UK's "beautiful countryside", UK's mythical import/export trade surplus ("imports will LOL! grow" out of The Great 2019 Stockpiling event?), GBP's mythical BREXIT *flation "ring fence," and Farage's inexpensive shale production rally 'round "mainstream" Extinction Rebellion, Sri Lanka's dependence on exports ROFLAO, Japan's pivot from RUB-denominated Sakhalin-2 to WHAT? USD-denominated LNG imports LOL ...

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2022 18:16 utc | 191

HOLD THE PHONE ...
TR's *flation rise to 79%? Could it be US, EU, UK "S-400 related" sanctions since Dec 2020?
nah. Couldn't be.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 6 2022 18:24 utc | 192

Joe Tzus

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 17:12 utc | 191

My favorite:

If you don't know

what you are doing

neither does your enemy

Posted by: juliania | Jul 6 2022 18:48 utc | 193

Looks like the "Trump Economy" is still increasing manufacturing in the US!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-05/us-factory-boom-heats-up-as-ceos-yank-production-out-of-china

Oh wait, he's been gone a while now, but I s'pose some of his fans can find a way to credit him for it. Tax breaks? If so, Biden and the Dems haven't done anything meaningful to reverse them, so...

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2022 19:36 utc | 194

Jonathan W @ 190

Obviously if the farmers have to cull the herd 30-50% that can't pay the bills. And yes, the banks are already talking about seizing farms from debtors.

The Netherlands does have an inordinate quantity of livestock. Urine, manure, nitrogen oxides are real problems. It got to be that way because of 70 years of EU farm policy. Farmers were encouraged and enabled to do what they are doing. Turning it all around in a moment by diktat is just nuts.Anyone could see there would be trouble. The commissars just don't care.

Posted by: oldhipie | Jul 6 2022 19:47 utc | 195

A good (if not exactly revelatory) article on Germany's 'super rich' at Counterpunch.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/06/germanys-super-rich/

Appears that in all capitalist countries the myth of rags-to-riches holds powerful sway. Spoiler/Trigger alert for our resident crypto-Christo-fascists: There are Nazis involved.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 6 2022 21:13 utc | 196

Thanks reading CP so the rest of us don't have to puts us in your debt. Now I can read the article without having to run the gauntlet of St Clair, Frank et al.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 6 2022 22:15 utc | 197

Posted by: oldhipie | Jul 6 2022 19:47 utc | 196


I think it was from some old food documentaries but I seem to remember decades ago learning how Holland was the cutting edge country for battery farms and suchlike. So they are a serious Big Ag complex.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 6 2022 23:45 utc | 198

Rockefellers & NWO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5ycm7VfXg

Posted by: snake | Jul 7 2022 0:30 utc | 199

"So they are a serious Big Ag complex." Scorpion@200
And have been since the C16th. In the United Provinces every aspect of the modern Empire is prefigured. The Netherlands really was the first modern economy and in no sense more modern than in its giving up grain growing (importing wheat and Rue instead from Poland/Ukraine and selling it throughout europe) and devoting its land to high value crops including meat raising. Amsterdam was the centre of international finance too. And then there was the East India company and others such as the West India.
The Empire, whose demise I believe that we are witnessing now, really began in Holland, amazingly enough as it was fighting for its very existence against Spain and the Hapsburg Empire.
Maybe there are pigs or cattle in Holland (the Netherlands really) which will come to be seen as having the same significance as the Barbary Apes in Gibraltar.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 7 2022 1:45 utc | 200

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