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July 28, 2022

Provoking Beijing

Yves Smith is aghast about the U.S. eyepoking of China:

The neocons above all seem unable to process that the days of US hegemony are over. It boggles the mind that they are not just eyepoking but escalating greatly with China via the still-planned Pelosi visit to Taiwan in August. As we’ll explain, China is fully cognizant of the fact that Pelosi is number two in line after Harris should something happen to the increasingly addle-brained Biden. And they don’t buy for a second that Pelosi is operating without the explicit approval of the Administration.

Note that it’s entirely possible that Pelosi revived her Taiwan trip plan (recall she put it off after coming down with Covid) all on her own. The Pentagon gave her a face-saving out by saying they didn’t recommend it.

China, which is routinely screechy when it is upset about what it perceives to be foreign transgressions, has managed to find new registers in its objections the proposed Pelosi visit.

Pelosi is not only number two in line but has been hostile to the Chinese government for more than 30 years. In 1991 she and two other members of Congress made a stunt on the Tiananmen square where two years before protests had taken place.

The multiday protest in the square had ended peacefully. But outside of the square bloody riots took place over several days and nights during which hundreds of soldiers and rioters got killed.

The protest and riots had been a U.S. instigated color revolution attempt with the father of the color revolution concept, Gene Sharp, being personally in the Beijing and consulting the protest leaders. After the attempt had failed the CIA organized the exit of hundreds of protest leaders and agents to Hong Kong where they formed the base for the 2020 color revolution attempt there. Lots of those 'activists' have now moved to Taiwan.

In 1991 Pelosi and two congressmen unfolded a banner on Tianamen in front of the international media that said: "To those who died for democracy in China." Police immediately intervened and ended the stunt.


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The stunt had a positive echo in U.S. media (Note: The video title says it is 1989 but the announcer says it is two years later).

Pelosi may think she can recreate another positive media echo by traveling to Taiwan.

But the China of 2022 is no longer the China of 1991. It is now the world's biggest economy and its military force rivals the one the U.S. has. It no longer condones eyepoking and 'human rights' stunts. It knows a U.S. provocation when it sees one.

In the 1950s and 60s the U.S. financed terrorism in Tibet. In 1989 it coached and financed a bloody color revolution attempt in Beijing. In the 1990s it brought Islamist terrorism to Xinjiang. In this century the U.S. instigated several periods of riots in Hong Kong.

[Added Hong Kong stuff below - Jul 29, 4:00 UTC]

Here is Pelosi in October 2019 with the chief instigators of several Hong Kong riot periods.


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The man on the left is Jimmy Lai:

Owing to the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, Lai became an advocate of democracy and critic of the People's Republic of China government. He began publishing Next Magazine, which combined tabloid sensationalism with hard-hitting political and business reporting. He proceeded to found other magazines ..
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In 2003, ahead of the record-breaking pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong during July, the cover of Next Magazine featured a photo-montage of the territory's embattled chief executive Tung Chee-Hwa taking a pie in the face. The magazine urged readers to take to the streets while Apple Daily distributed stickers calling for Tung to resign.

CIA heavily financed Lai, who over the years financed the various Hong Kong protests, by sponsoring his media businesses in Taiwan. Tai was also involved in CIA meddling in Myanmar.

The men on the right of Pelosi is the British colonial asset Martin Lee:

Lee began his involvement in politics when the British and Chinese governments began their negotiations over Hong Kong's sovereignty in the early 1980s. Lee was in the delegation consisting of Hong Kong's young professionals led by Allen Lee, a member of the Executive and the Legislative Councils of Hong Kong in Beijing in May 1983. The delegation sought to maintain the status quo in Hong Kong and extend British rule by an additional 15 to 30 years. Their requests were turned down by Beijing officials.
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During the Tiananmen protests May and June 1989, Martin Lee was an outspoken supporter of the student movement for more democracy and freedom in China.
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In the massive pro-democracy Occupy protests from October to December 2014, he was among the pro-democracy activists staging a final sit-in and arrested, putting an end to a 75-day street occupation.

Here is Pelosi with Hong Kong riots super star Joshua Wong.


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Wong was arrested and held for three hours on Friday, 16 January 2015, for his alleged involvement in offences of calling for, inciting and participating in an unauthorised assembly.

The same month, an article appeared in the Pro-Beijing newspaper Wen Wei Po alleging that Wong had met with the US consul-general in Hong Kong Stephen M. Young during the latter's visit in 2011. It suggested that Wong had links with the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States, ..
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Wong was then arrested again on 29 August 2019 the day before a planned demonstration, which was not given city approval.
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The Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, met with Wong on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. on 18 September. Chinese media sharply criticised Pelosi for this meeting, accusing her of "backing and encouraging radical activists."

Anyone who thinks that China will allow the Pelosi, that Pelosi, to visit Taiwan, should think again. They would rather take her plane down.

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But note a pattern in those U.S. bloody 'interventions'. Tibet is now a peaceful province of China, Beijing does well and the Chinese people are happy with their government. Xinjiang is now the most visited tourist region of the world and Hong Kong is under full Chinese control.

The U.S. is trying to push Taiwan to declare independence and to sucker China into some military reaction. It should take note of the fact that its other attempts to poke China have not ended well for its side.

Yves says that China is ready to respond should the planned Pelosi stunt take place:

If the Chinese level of ire is any guide, having Chinese fighter jets deny Pelosi a landing in Taiwan is on the mild end of possible responses. If that were to happen and the plane was escorted to land in mainland China, I could see the Chinese rubbing salt in the wound by not letting anyone in the aircraft deplane.

China is considering how to use a Pelosi visit to set far more important precedents. Hu in the Global Times clip above mentioned declaring a no-fly zone or having PLA jets fly with Pelosi’s plane into Taiwan airspace. As the Global Times noted: “That would set a great precedent for the PLA to patrol above the island, which would be far more meaningful than Pelosi’s visit.”

As with provoking Russia, the US may be about to get what it sought with Taiwan and find out that the results are not to its advantage. And as an American, it’s depressing to see so much incompetence and arrogance on display.

There is more incompetence and arrogance to come. Pelosi has now asked other lawmakers to join her on the trip:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has invited other members of Congress to join her in a visit to Taiwan next month, signaling that she still plans to make the trip despite the fact that the US military thinks it risks provoking China.

Rep. Michael McFaul (R-TX), the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said Wednesday that Pelosi invited him and Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), who chairs the committee.

McFaul said he couldn’t go to Taiwan due to a prior engagement but expressed support for the trip. “Any member that wants to go, should. It shows political deterrence to President Xi,” he said. “But she should also pay attention to the military if it’s going to cause a blowback and escalate things.”

The Pentagon had warned that the trip could mean serious trouble but it is now increasing that trouble potential by moving more forces into the area:

Officials told The Associated Press that if Pelosi goes to Taiwan — still an uncertainty — the military would increase its movement of forces and assets in the Indo-Pacific region. They declined to provide details, but said that fighter jets, ships, surveillance assets and other military systems would likely be used to provide overlapping rings of protection for her flight to Taiwan and any time on the ground there.

That is indeed the dumbest thing the Pentagon could do. More forces in the region means more potential for a screw up where one thing goes wrong and everything escalates into a bloody war:

The biggest risk during Pelosi’s trip is of some Chinese show of force “gone awry, or some type of accident that comes out of a demonstration of provocative action,” said Mark Cozad, acting associate director of the International Security and Defense Policy Center at the Rand Corp. “So it could be an air collision. It could be some sort of missile test, and, again, when you’re doing those types of things, you know, there is always the possibility that something could go wrong.”
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“It is very possible that ... our attempts to deter actually send a much different signal than the one we intend to send,” Cozad said. “And so you get into ... some sort of an escalatory spiral, where our attempts to deter are actually seen as increasingly provocative and vice versa. And that can be a very dangerous dynamic.”

Yesterday China's foreign ministry spokesperson made it clear that China will not back down:

AFP: A US official said that if Pelosi goes to Taiwan, the military would increase its movement of forces in the Asia-Pacific, including fighter jets. What is your comment?

Zhao Lijian: Perhaps you missed our briefings in the past few days. We have repeatedly made clear our our firm opposition to Speaker Pelosi’s potential visit to Taiwan. If the US side insists on making the visit and challenges China’s red line, it will be met with resolute countermeasures. The US must bear all consequences arising thereof.

President Joe Biden has refrained from stopping Pelosi's trip plans. Today he is supposed to call president Xi. The Chinese have not confirmed a call so it may not happen. Will Biden ask that Pelosi be allowed to visit Taiwan? If he does he surely will get a quite harsh response.

Taiwan is part of China. This is by the way also the official position of the government in Taipei. But seen from Beijing that government is only that of a Chinese province and not one that is allowed to have an independent foreign policy. Any attempt to change that will see strong resistance from Beijing, if necessary by force.

The U.S. government is currently watching as its proxy force in the Ukraine gets systematically dismantled by Russia which is destined to win that war. There is nothing that the U.S. can do about that. Any conflict around Taiwan would have a similar outcome.

Washington may think that would be a great opportunity to isolate China.

But isolate from whom? It would be the U.S. and its allies which would be most hurt by it while the much larger rest of the world would simply continue to work with China just as it does now with Russia.

But with incompetence and arrogance ruling in Washington (and Brussels) one can no exclude that that is exactly their plan.

Posted by b on July 28, 2022 at 15:50 UTC | Permalink

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I've been wondering which stupid move by the US would officially start WW3, since it has already unofficially started.

This could be the one.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jul 28 2022 15:56 utc | 1

usa meddling again in others affairs... who whudda thunk it?? the usa excels at craziness in its servitude to empire building.. the only problem with this is they need to learn empire being taken apart, because that is what is happening now... they don't seem bright enough to realize this on a number of levels... thanks b..

one more stupid pr stunt...what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: james | Jul 28 2022 16:04 utc | 2

Hey they need a worl war 3
They thin6 Jesus will come and save them.

Posted by: Andrew | Jul 28 2022 16:05 utc | 3

This is all so baffling. Start a war with the China--that place we systematically shipped our entire manufacturing base to in the 1990s? This makes no sense, at all. What's the real goal here?

Couldn't China collapse the US without firing a shot, by dumping its US currency and Treasury reserves?

It's so depressing. This and the ISS story you posted yesterday show they're determine to undo any tiny bit of peace that flowered in the 1990s. Carl Sagan would be aghast.

Posted by: D | Jul 28 2022 16:05 utc | 4

b says "Taiwan is part of China."

Taiwan (ROC) has its own passports and currency. I passes its own laws without consultation with China (PROC). Ergo, Taiwan is an independent country.

The "One China" policy adopted by many countries and part of the UN recognition of China, says that reunification only happens when the Taiwanese population agrees.

Can we please advocate for a referendum before one site or the other decides to violently establish facts on the ground?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 5

Scary 'hairy'* Nancy ought to be sanctioned by China, Russia, India et al. ASAP.

It is most likely she and her wealthy investor husband, while largely US-focused, would still have quite significant overseas exposure to their investments.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nancy-pelosi-stock-trades-congress-investments-2022-7?r=US&IR=T#micron-technology-inc-mu-7

*pelosa/o/e/i in its varying m/f/plural declinations means 'hairy' in Italian :))

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 6

China may just allow her plane to come and go, but immediately after leaving they will take action. This likely would include closing the strait, starting a no fly zone, and even bombing out the Taiwanese air force and antiaircraft defenses. If america continues provocations- and they probably will- a naval blockade could follow.

Posted by: James | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 7

I assume provocation of Russia was just an excuse to apply sanctions, in a vain attempt to reduce their advance in e.g. hypersonic weapons. Provocation of China is presumably an attempt to provide an excuse for similar sanctions against China, with infinitely greater effect on the world’s economy, particularly in Europe. Is China capable of functioning autonomously as Russia is, e.g. with respect to energy? Is it dependent on Iran for oil? In which case, does that mean that provocation of Iran will also be necessary?

I’m trying to make sense of the US, incapable of a victory in Afghanistan, trying to take on two or three powerful states at once.

Posted by: geoff chambers | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 8

https://thesaker.is/politwera-larry-johnson-and-andrei-martyanov-wide-ranging-discussion/ <=very informative ..

what bothers me in this trip to China situation is that the governed everyday people of America have not been fully informed or consulted.. and its seems to me authority to conduct USA diplomacy abroad belongs to the Article II government, Art II. Sec 2, paragraph 2.. and the principle of separation of powers is being ignored.. ? Peloski's trip sets the president to allow any elected member of congress to challenge or invade the space of any foreign nation.. meaning where in the constitution does the authority for a member of congress to engage in a diplomatic mission come from?

Posted by: snake | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 9

Lunatics in charge of the asylum.

Posted by: Thaisleeze | Jul 28 2022 16:11 utc | 10

The idea that China would intercept Pelosi's flight and force it to land in the mainland is totally absurd and disconnected from reality

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 28 2022 16:13 utc | 11

Well, I am fully in accord with ms Pelosi's trip to Taiwan, and I encourage her to make it. Just make it a one-way trip, please, and don't bother the rest of us here any more, OK? Same applies to all in Congress who are fool enough to accept her trip invitation, too.

It would be seriously brave for the PLA to give her an escort to Taipei. I'd like to see them do it. Land on the runway, too, and get refueled and fly back to the mainland. Hope they do it.

Posted by: Daniel N. White | Jul 28 2022 16:14 utc | 12

@ geoff chambers | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 8

don't try to make sense of it.... the usa is run by crazies... that's all you need to know... just expect more stupidity and craziness to follow..

see @ Thaisleeze | Jul 28 2022 16:11 utc | 11 - ditto that..

Posted by: james | Jul 28 2022 16:16 utc | 13

https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/07/25/689564/
The news indicates that China has reduced investment in Russia to zero under the One Belt One Road project. Let's talk about this.

Posted by: Haafril | Jul 28 2022 16:16 utc | 14

I believe the intention is to worsen relations between China and US to further facilitate virtual blockade conditions and hasten the take-down of the US economy and nation to provide the desired pretext for their bally-hoo'd Build Back Better BS.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 28 2022 16:19 utc | 15

If anyone tries to separate the island of Taiwan from the country, if anyone wants to challenge China's bottom line, Chinese military will take forceful measures to firmly safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity, Qin Gang, the Chinese Ambassador to the US told at a recent event.

The tensions over the question have been escalating in recent days as China has issued six warnings in the past few days on the US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's unconfirmed plan of a trip to the island. The Chinese Defense Ministry on Tuesday vowed that if the US insists on interfering, the Chinese military will by no means sit by idly and strong measures will be taken to thwart any external interference and "Taiwan independence" separatist attempts.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 16:22 utc | 16

The idea that China would intercept Pelosi's flight and force it to land in the mainland is totally absurd and disconnected from reality

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 28 2022 16:13 utc | 12
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What are you going to do? Jump out of the plane?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 16:24 utc | 17

I see everyone including even B continues to misspell Nancy Lugosi's name.

Posted by: Monsieur Magoo | Jul 28 2022 16:25 utc | 18

Posted by: Daniel N. White | Jul 28 2022 16:14 utc | 13
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The old fool Pelosi would suddenly get Monkey Pox, even though she is not officially LGBTQ...😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 16:26 utc | 19

Taiwan is not just a seperatist province of mainland China. It is an alternative version of China, created by side defeated in Chinese civil war who once ruled the China. Kuomintang established military dictatorship in Taiwan based in Leninist principles, nationalism and free market economics and supperted idea of One China.
They had: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_National_Glory

Project Guoguang was an attempt by the Republic of China (ROC), based in Taiwan, to reconquer mainland China from the People's Republic of China (PRC) by large scale invasion.

Now no-one with any sanity would think in that way. But initialy they did not wanted the independance, they wanted to take back China.

This creates mutch more tension than just an independance.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 28 2022 16:27 utc | 20

Posted by: Alef | Jul 28 2022 16:27 utc | 22
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Wikipedia is sponsored by the 3-letter agencies.

Posted by: ppp | Jul 28 2022 16:28 utc | 21

It'd be interesting to see Ronald Reagan getting knocked off the sea...😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 16:30 utc | 22

Ronald Raygun is floating in the China Sea.

Ronnie was chosen for maximum Lee Greenwood effect. Maximum drama.

All the democrats today love Ronnie and hate FDR.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jul 28 2022 16:32 utc | 23

Ambassador Qin Gang of the People’s Republic of China to the U.S. spoke and took questions on China/US relations at the Apsen Security Conference on this past July 20.

https://youtu.be/6eIYXbkISpU

Posted by: too scents | Jul 28 2022 16:34 utc | 24

Posted by: ppp | Jul 28 2022 16:28 utc | 23
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It don't matter. It is biased for most of actual political articles, but "Project National Glory" pretty mutch explains what they are about. It is mutch larger issue than just independence. Pentagon at the time needed to calm them down as military advicers understanded how that would end;)

Posted by: Alef | Jul 28 2022 16:35 utc | 25

"I see everyone including even B continues to misspell Nancy Lugosi's name."

@ Posted by: Monsieur Magoo | Jul 28 2022 16:25 utc | 19

LOL. nice one.. though i feel a Chavez-like 'smell of sulphur' vs 'lust for blood' comparison would be more appropriate... sadly lacking in matching phonetic pun value... my lame improvised moniker attempt notwithstanding

Posted by: lunancyfer | Jul 28 2022 16:35 utc | 26

where in the constitution does the authority for a member of congress to engage in a diplomatic mission come from?

Posted by: snake | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 10

I get the impression over the years that the Executive (POTUS) can authorize anyone it pleases to act in a diplomatic capacity. However for a US citizen to do so expressly against the Executive's stated wishes could be construed as sedition.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 28 2022 16:36 utc | 27

Can we please advocate for a referendum before one site or the other decides to violently establish facts on the ground?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 5
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USSR ended, USA should end too. Both started violently, so the end will be violent too. This is an interesting 2022!

Posted by: ppp | Jul 28 2022 16:36 utc | 28

Home field military advantage is at least 2 to 1.

I really and sincerely hope that Pelosi visits Taiwan with Reagan. I am deadly serious.

The Yankees need their noses rubbed in shit. They got one blood nose in the 1950s in Korea, but their memory is short and their hubris sky high. At that time during the Korean War, China didn't even have an air force or navy. The Chinese Volunteer Army basically fought with machine guns and hand grenades against the #1 military might in the world.

The Americans need to be taken down several notches. The Russians are doing a great job, but nothing speak louder than direct confrontation.

We are at the eerie prelude to the shootout at the Not-So-OK Corral!!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 28 2022 16:37 utc | 29

The quoted text with comments from Mark Cozad is highly suspects in the way it articulates the "possible scenarios". I am worried they might have prepared some kind of false flag incident.

Posted by: galerkin | Jul 28 2022 16:42 utc | 30

https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/07/25/689564/
The news indicates that China has reduced investment in Russia to zero under the One Belt One Road project. Let's talk about this.

Posted by: Haafril | Jul 28 2022 16:16 utc | 15

Did you read the entire article?

this step signals Beijing's unwillingness to fall under sanctions against the background of the war in Ukraine. At the same time, the decline may be only temporary, since there is definitely "strong interaction" between Russia and China, experts say.

Despite Russia's war against Ukraine, China has increased purchases of Russian energy carriers.

Russia has been one of the main beneficiaries of China's Belt and Road Initiative, Xi Jinping's signature foreign policy agenda, conceived as the world's largest development program and established in 2013.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 28 2022 16:46 utc | 31

This proposed course of action suggests that it is not just Mr Biden who is "increasingly addle-brained".

Posted by: cirsium | Jul 28 2022 16:54 utc | 32

I've been around Asia a little in the Military and after - a long long time ago but Taiwan in 70 was a big surprise to me. Taipei was as modern as downtown Chicago { but clean } and the countryside was beautiful { Toroko Gorge} was a great place to kick back and relax with the aboriginal locals. Hard to believe that the Pentagon would even think about screwing up a beautiful place like that - but then again - look at how Washington and their Neocons, Zionist Jews and the rest of the Traitors, have done to the USA. Taiwan will be fine once the American Military and self serving Globalists - leave. Same with the rest of Asia. Russia is setting the stage , paying for it in Blood again , I hope the East appreciates it and supports Russia this time.

Posted by: gmc | Jul 28 2022 16:54 utc | 33

"We are at the eerie prelude to the shootout at the Not-So-OK Corral!!"
Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 28 2022 16:37 utc | 31

Yep, the forces of Law and Order are already prepared to enforce the rules of Gun Control, the famous old Wyatt Earp signs of "No Guns in the City Limits", upon the Clanton Gang, which is a violent criminal gang that had been terrorizing the area for some time and which opposed any Marshalls trying to put limits on their violence and thievery. Civilization is about to come to the Wild West.

Posted by: Doc Holliday | Jul 28 2022 16:58 utc | 34

some have to remember that the Government in Taipei is actual the descendant from the old Chinese Government that flee the Mainland as Mao took over and Mao, for reasons unknown to me, never go after them. So we have here as far as i known a still unsolved Civil War at Hand with Taiwan as the loosing side.

Posted by: Kerwas | Jul 28 2022 17:00 utc | 35

I don’t believe the Chinese are prepared to act as aggressively as say Russia has, as business wise (Asians only real concern, ultimately) it’s very pro-western.

Ultimately these are not boat rockers of the kind that are required to disturb let alone replace the current hegemony.

It’s a shame really, and they now also look like very junior partners to Russia, a shocking reversal when you consider we were told at the start of the SMO that Xi would reign Putin in.l from more extreme military and economic actions - both have been the complete opposite with Putin dictating economic terms globally and not necessarily to Chinas overall economic benefit.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 28 2022 17:02 utc | 36

The Usa is humiliated in Ukraine and that humiliation is unbearable to this arrogant establishment.
Pelosi provocative travel plan is a way to show the world that the Usa is strong and determined to 'humiliate' China as a retaliation for China cozy ness with Russia.
İn addition Pelosi wants to give a little of fresh air to collapsing Biden and the democrats that will loose big in novembre. Pelosi is the Joan of ark. it is hoped that she doesn't end up burnt in her seat...

Posted by: Virgile | Jul 28 2022 17:02 utc | 37

I have no idea why b is so sympathetic to China's totalitarian fascist government (no, they're not "communists" - they never got beyond socialism, and since allowing the private ownership of the means of production and distribution, they're not even that). The CCP have absolutely no historical or moral claim to rule Taiwan (or Tibet, for that matter).

We support the independence of the East Ukrainians from Kiev; why do we not support Taiwan's wish for self-determination?

For once the US has got it right.

Posted by: Observer | Jul 28 2022 17:03 utc | 38

Biden and Xi had a 2+ hour phone call today.

From the Chinese readout:


President Xi elaborated on China’s principled position on the Taiwan question. President Xi highlighted that the historical ins and outs of the Taiwan question are crystal clear, and so are the fact and status quo that both sides of the Taiwan Strait belong to one and the same China. The three Sino-US joint communiqués embody the political commitments made by the two sides, and the one-China principle is the political foundation for China-US relations. China firmly opposes separatist moves toward “Taiwan independence” and interference by external forces, and never allows any room for “Taiwan independence” forces in whatever form. The position of the Chinese government and people on the Taiwan question is consistent, and resolutely safeguarding China’s national sovereignty and territorial integrity is the firm will of the more than 1.4 billion Chinese people. The public opinion cannot be defied. Those who play with fire will perish by it. It is hoped that the US will be clear-eyed about this. The US should honor the one-China principle and implement the three joint communiqués both in word and in deed.

Posted by: b | Jul 28 2022 17:05 utc | 39

Posted by: too scents | Jul 28 2022 16:34 utc | 26
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Thank you for the link that Q&A session with Ambassador Qin Gang. That fool from FT, who asked the questions actually didn't listen to what the Ambassador said.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 17:07 utc | 40

"This proposed course of action suggests that it is not just Mr Biden who is "increasingly addle-brained"."

Posted by: cirsium | Jul 28 2022 16:54 utc | 34
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In the last election, there was one, and only one, 'antiwar' candidate who opposed this coming war. That was Rep. Gabbard in the Democrat primaries, and she struggled to get above 1% of the vote.

That means, its official, it was 99 to 1 in favor of this war, back when people had their limited chance in this system to express an opinion. Its going to be awfully dang hard to claim afterwards --- "But I was a Good American" who objected to the war and the mass prisons and the killer police and all the rest. Yeah right. Its on the record, 99% voted pro-war and for massive military budgets.

But Biden is definitely not alone on this. Anytime anyone says that they need money for war, the whole Congress gets up and throws $Billions by the bucketfull to whatever is the latest 'need', and the media cheers, and the Americans wave their tiny little American flags, which are still made in China.

Posted by: Doc Holliday | Jul 28 2022 17:09 utc | 41

Some more facts following my comments on the last thread's re: difficulties of large river crossings without bridges and challenges for future Russian operations in West Ukraine.

Good thing Russia has a more pragmatic approach to dealing with facts than some of its supporters.

Ergo, pontoons adjacent to Antonovsky Bridge already being put in place:

https://t.me/intelslava/34143


Yes, i am talking to you 'pretty pathetic poster' or whoever you are posting as mr 'ppp'.

FYI @MoA:

As far as i know, the commenter posting as 'ppp', aside from trolling (badly) for the prevailing 'side' on this blog (what a hero...) has offered zero informational value or insight as part of his questionable attempts to 'contribute' to its readership.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 28 2022 17:10 utc | 42

Some more facts following my comments on the last thread's re: difficulties of large river crossings without bridges and challenges for future Russian operations in West Ukraine.

Good thing Russia has a more pragmatic approach to dealing with facts than some of its supporters.

Ergo, pontoons adjacent to Antonovsky Bridge already being put in place:

https://t.me/intelslava/34143


Yes, i am talking to you 'pretty pathetic poster' or whoever you are posting as mr 'ppp'.

FYI @MoA:

As far as i know, the commenter posting as 'ppp', aside from trolling (badly) for the prevailing 'side' on this blog (what a hero...) has offered zero informational value or insight as part of his questionable attempts to 'contribute' to its readership.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 28 2022 17:10 utc | 43

I was leaving Korea on military transport and even a lowly group of guys like us had an escort of two armed F-4's. I imagine US Naval aviation will pick up her plane at some point and provide an escort. Remember this...
Spy plane incident raises concerns over access to secret U.S. technology

All kinds of things can go wrong. It is almost like they want a Russia China US war to take eyes of their serious troubles. Not sure what to think.

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 28 2022 17:10 utc | 44

@Observer #40, the way some people talk about it, you'd think Taiwan was de facto and de jure controlled by China and the US was trying to foster a separatist movement there. In reality they've been an independent nation for 75 years despite everyone playing along with "one China" to access Chinese markets. They are 2 nations at peace, Taiwan is a representative democracy with legal pro-unification parties that can choose freely to merge with the mainland. China faces no threat from Taiwan and should focus its efforts on enticing peaceful unification if that's their end goal. Anything else is the aggression of empire that people deplore when it comes from the US.

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 28 2022 17:19 utc | 45

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 28 2022 17:10 utc | 45
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Et tu? How's Lusia/Oleksiy Arestowich? He uses both sides...

Posted by: ppp | Jul 28 2022 17:20 utc | 46

"They think Jesus will come and save them"

Posted by: Andrew | Jul 28 2022 16:05 utc | 3

I have it on good Authority* that that will NOT happen

ZATO's MO has always been to use religion as a means to a nefarious end, not as an end in and of itself. Rest assured the forces behind all this evil are anything but Christian (or Jewish or Muslim)

*"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matt.7:22-23

Posted by: ianMoone | Jul 28 2022 17:21 utc | 47

b says "Taiwan is part of China."

Taiwan (ROC) has its own passports and currency. I passes its own laws without consultation with China (PROC). Ergo, Taiwan is an independent country.

The "One China" policy adopted by many countries and part of the UN recognition of China, says that reunification only happens when the Taiwanese population agrees.

Can we please advocate for a referendum before one site or the other decides to violently establish facts on the ground?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 5


Taiwan for a long time standed for "One China" policy, so that political exiles in Taiwan will take ower mainland communist China. For most of it's existance taiwanese themselves declared that they are One China. Taiwan was created by Chinese goverment defeated by maoists.

With economical development of China this idea is looking more and more utopical so they eventualy adopted another more realistic idea, independance of Taiwan. (Once they could offer, we are rich you are poor, but now this is not convincing.)

I would agree that ppl of Taiwan should have rights to chose where and how they want to live. Not Biden, not Xi, NATO or Putin.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 28 2022 17:26 utc | 48

why do we not support Taiwan's wish for self-determination?

For once the US has got it right.

Posted by: Observer | Jul 28 2022 17:03 utc | 40

It's not at all clear which way a Taiwan referendum would go if such were held, and at this point it's almost a given that the West would interfere and claim that results were invalid if the people voted not to secede.

Anyway, the US doesn't really give a rat's ass about self-determination. Just ask the folks in Donbas or any of the countries where democratically elected governments have been coup'ed or otherwise meddled with (Ukraine, Venezuela, Bolivia, Egypt, Haiti, Chile, etc., etc.).

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 28 2022 17:27 utc | 49

"don't try to make sense of it.... the usa is run by crazies... that's all you need to know... just expect more stupidity and craziness to follow..."

@ geoff chambers | Jul 28 2022 16:10 utc | 8
@ Thaisleeze | Jul 28 2022 16:11 utc | 11
Posted by: james | Jul 28 2022 16:16 utc | 14

In essence, have the so called leaders in the US, nay every Western country (~34), have they all gone mental to the extent they actually believe their own propaganda or do they feel so insulated/protected from the fallout of their actions that they deem themselves virtually untouchable? Or maybe the over-arching narrative is so retardly unbelievable that it has to be an incredibly orchestrated gag on 99% of the world?

I'm still leaning on door #1, but the jury's still out...


Posted by: ianMoone | Jul 28 2022 17:30 utc | 50

soooooo ubn thinking Sinophobia isn't a thing but Russophobia is; China's national security law violates British "democracy", HKSAR and Taiwan are "western countries", and "economic rivalry" prompted the NEW! G7 war for Tiannamen in China. "The Last Emperor" (of which dynasty?) is your touchstone, "Port of Last Resort belies Allied humanitarian aid, and everything you wanted to know about Tibet but forgot to ask Richard Gere confirms why anyone (but COMMUNIST China) would be surprised this week that DoD sent the 7th Fleet into the Strait, yet again. But not to guard the hag Pelosi.

SOP
The Boxer Rebellion: Bluejackets and Marines in China (1901-1911)
"To Western nations competing for Great-Power status, China with its population of 450 million offered opportunities for “economic supremacy.”
Keystone Battle Series, Marine Corp History Division
"Occasionally, Marines went ashore on 'punitive expeditions' to punish those who attacked American businessmen, ships, or otherwise 'insulted the flag.'"

... sumthing sumthing Japan declared surrender and unconditionally accepted the Potsdam Proclamation and the Cairo Declaration, and returned Taiwan to China sumthing ...

A CHRONOLOGY OF THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, 1947-1964

19471 Jan USMC—-—Additional monthly compensation authorized effective this date for enlisted Marines for proficiency in the use of their weapons (rifles, carbines, automatic rifles,pistols, submachine guns, and revolvers). (HQMC, Letter of Instruction No. 1382, 9 uec1946).

6 Jan CHINA-——President Truman directed that American participation in Peiping [LOL!]'s Executive Headquarters be ended. (Shaw, '68 ed., 20). The Committee of Three, consisting of representatives of the U. S., the Chinese Nationalists [LOL!], and the Chinese COMMUNISTS, maintained the Executive Headquarters. Most of the U. S. Marines in China supported
the Executive Headquarters.
[...]
1948 10 Dec CHINA—-.—Vice Admiral Oscar C. Badger, U. S. Naval Commander in the Western Pacific, announced in Shanghai that a contingent of Marines would be sent from Tsingtao to Shanghai to protect 2,500 Americans in the city as trapped Chinese NATIONALIST fought to break COMMUNIST encirclement. (1948 FOF, 395D)
[...]
1954 15 Jan ["]TAIWAN["]———Men of the 3d Battalion, 4th Marines served as guards on board ships carrying some 14,500 Chinese prisoners of war who had asked to become citizens of NATIONALIST China on Taiwan (Operation BIG COMEBACK). (Triad, 28 Jan 1954, p. 1; 18 Feb 1954, pp.4—5, 8).

21 Jan KOREA [!]———Twenty—seven Marines of Co H, 4th Marines and two naval hospital corpsmen weredrowned in the icy waters off Inchon, South Korea. Their landing craft was rammed andsunk by a ship carrying 1,000 ANTI—COMMUNISTS prisoners of war to ["]Formosa["]. (Triad, 28 Jan 1954, p. 1 and 18 Feb 1954, p. 1).
[...]
1960 7 Mar-10 April ["]TAIWAN["]---BLUE STAR, a combined Seventh Fleet Amphibious Exercise, was participated in by 10 Apr the 3d Marine Division, 1st Marine Aircraft Wing, units of the 1st Marine Brigade, and other Fleet Marine Force, Pacific units and supported by all elements of the Seventh Fleet. It also involved the NATIONALIST Chinese Navy and Marine Corps. The exercise demonstrated the vertical envelopment capability of Western Pacific Marine Forces and included the first helicopter lift of a NATIONALIST Chinese Marine force and the early establishment of a Short Expeditionary Landing Field (SELF). (CMCARpt (1960), p. 8, 9).

US State Historian | The Taiwan Straits Crises: 1954–55 and 1958

When the NATIONALIST Government of the ROC under Chiang Kai-shek [alias Chiang Chung-cheng, Chiang Chieh-shih, Cheung Kai-shek and Jiang Jieshi] recognized that it had lost control of mainland China during the Chinese Civil War, the officials and part of the NATIONALIST Army fled to the island of Taiwan [FKA "Formosa"], establishing troops on these two islands and the Dachen Islands further north. In the early 1950s, Chiang’s forces launched minor attacks from Jinmen and Mazu against the coast of mainland China. Leadership on both sides of the strait continued to view the islands as a potential launching pad for an ROC invasion to retake the Chinese mainland and had an interest in controlling the islands.

U.S. policy toward East Asia in the early Cold War contributed to the tensions in the Taiwan Strait. In late 1949 and early 1950, American officials were prepared to let PRC forces cross the Strait and defeat Chiang, but after the outbreak of the Korean War in June 1950, the United States sent its Seventh Fleet into the Taiwan Strait to prevent the Korean conflict from spreading south. The appearance of the Seventh Fleet angered the Chinese COMMUNISTS, who transferred their troops poised for an invasion of Taiwan to the Korean front. This served to delay military conflict in the Strait until the United States withdrew its fleet after the Korean War....

Geddit? "Incompetence" has nothing to do with this model year's "proxy" war. US, UK, G7 do. not. do. international law.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 28 2022 17:30 utc | 51

b quotes Dave DeCamp’s article at Antiwar.com:

Rep. Michael McFaul (R-TX), the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said Wednesday that Pelosi invited him and Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-NY), who chairs the committee.

McFaul said he couldn’t go to Taiwan due to a prior engagement but expressed support for the trip. “Any member that wants to go, should. It shows political deterrence to President Xi,” he said. “But she should also pay attention to the military if it’s going to cause a blowback and escalate things.”

The Representative’s name is Michael McCaul. (Michael McFaul is former U.S. Ambassador to Russia.)

Posted by: S | Jul 28 2022 17:33 utc | 52

Biden and Pelosi are with one foot in the grave, but would like take half the world with them, when they go to meet Satan...

Posted by: ppp | Jul 28 2022 17:34 utc | 53

For once the US has got it right.
Posted by: Observer | Jul 28 2022 17:03 utc | 40

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US support should tell you all you need to know about why Taiwan independence is corrupt.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 28 2022 17:34 utc | 54

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 28 2022 17:02 utc | 38

I don’t believe the Chinese are prepared to act as aggressively as say Russia has, as business wise (Asians only real concern, ultimately) it’s very pro-western.

Ultimately these are not boat rockers of the kind that are required to disturb let alone replace the current hegemony.

You are 100% WRONG!

Mark my words, you and the Americans are going to find out soon!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 28 2022 17:38 utc | 55

I don't know what China should do in response to an unauthorised visit to Taiwan by Ms Pelosi. But I'm 110% certain that the CCP does NOT need my help. I'm becoming a big fan of Chinese Humour. They're very good at spotting flaws in cover stories and bouncing a few laughs off pointing them out.

I do know what I'd LIKE China to do...

- Let Pelosi's dimwits land unmolested in Taiwan.
- Make sure that her plane can't take off.
- Keep it there until the dimwits have to beg China to fly them back to USA.
- Have her plane preserved as a Permanent Memorial to Yankee Wishful Thinking and other intellectual disabilities.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 28 2022 17:46 utc | 56

The world's really going to end for someone like Nancy Pelosi of all people? May Allah just cleanse the West with holy fire if that's really the case...

Posted by: leaf | Jul 28 2022 17:46 utc | 57

The riots in 1991 may have been fomented by the CIA , but they actually started out as race riots against the Black pupils of Africa studying in China. This is one facet that is never really spoken about. I also was shocked when I first heard about it. I remember I first read it in a wiki article some years ago. The present page may have even been sanitised since then .

It is the old story; all it takes is a spark , and the outcome may be uncontrollable , and even in a different direction to what one would expect , or even -in the US’s case- plan for.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Jul 28 2022 17:47 utc | 58

"It'd be interesting to see Ronald Reagan getting knocked off the sea...😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 16:30 utc | 24"

It would take only a couple hours to send the RR to the bottom of the sea.
You obviously are not keeping up with events.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Jul 28 2022 17:50 utc | 59

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/07/28/readout-of-president-bidens-call-with-president-xi-jinping-of-the-peoples-republic-of-china/

On Taiwan, President Biden underscored that the United States policy has not changed and that the United States strongly opposes unilateral efforts to change the status quo or undermine peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.

Both Xi's readout and Ambassador Qin Gang's Aspen Institute talk say "honor the one-China principle in word and deed".

Posted by: too scents | Jul 28 2022 17:53 utc | 60

@4 Couldn't China collapse the US without firing a shot, by dumping its US currency and Treasury reserves

Being that large swathes of the Chinese economy are funded by dollar-denominated debt that would be largely suicidal. China has an utterly symbiotic economic relationship with the West. It isn't Russia which is almost autarkic in structure due to it's dominance in key commodity markets.

Posted by: Sailing by | Jul 28 2022 17:53 utc | 61

I hope observers around the world see how this illustrates the ingrained reflex of collective / institutional US foreign policy: whenever facing a challenge or setback, automatically escalate more.

This stubborn reflex is combined with a balance-of-power in which the US position is is drastically reduced from the time of Clinton and Bush II. It means some form of 'serious' conflict will also have to happen with China, to get US elites to acknowledge the reality. As with US vs Russia, the principals will be seriously inconvenienced and proxies will be devastated. Countries able to assert a full neutrality will walk away with an improved position.

Posted by: ptb | Jul 28 2022 17:53 utc | 62

how fitting the machine would chum the waters of war with this walking corpse.
taking one last hit for the Good Guise

Posted by: ld | Jul 28 2022 18:03 utc | 63

Brother Ma @60

Maybe you would not be surprised that the violence in Libya was also started over race?

Gaddafi insisted that Black Libyans receive the same benefits and rights as Arab Libyans. The CIA used this to stoke resentment among criminals and dirtbags hiding in the shadows of Libyan society and thus incite them to violence.

Racism and scapegoats are part and parcel of the CIA/State Department color revolution playbook.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 28 2022 18:07 utc | 64

The USS Ronald Reagan carrier was supposed to visit Vietnam recently. After the Pelosi announcement, they (probably due to Vietnamese objection for fear of possible war) cancelled the visit and stopped in Singapore instead. I heard the carrier may have left Singapore yesterday.

There are two potential route for Pelosi to come to Taiwan. One from the North after she visited Japan/Korea. The other from the South after her visit in Indonesia/ASEAN.

The northern route could easily be intercepted by China's East Sea fleet or Liaoning carrier. China air force has been practicing those type of missions many times after many US/Japan/Canada... provocations, including plenty of electronic warfare and target practice.

The southern route would be a bit new. Although China and US have lots of naval incidents from the US "freedom" of navigation, there have been less air plane encounters. In the last few day, China has actually quite a number of air force movements in South China Sea that were not reported in the western media. Pentagon surely is aware of that, and hence the change of plan for Ronald Reagan carrier.

All signs are indicating that China is ready militarily.

Posted by: d dan | Jul 28 2022 18:09 utc | 65

Piglousy inviting McFool to Taiwan is pure chickenshittery on both of them. Piglousy doesn't want to face possible unpleasant consequences alone and McFool is co-inviting anyone in sight to go while chickening out himself. Like the remainder of their kind they have the backbone of warm chickenshit while they dream up ways to get the rest of us killed.

Posted by: Befree | Jul 28 2022 18:18 utc | 66

Taiwan (ROC) has its own passports and currency. I passes its own laws without consultation with China (PROC). Ergo, Taiwan is an independent country.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 5

A mainland China citizen can visit Taiwan, and a Taiwan citizen can visit mainland China, without passport because China recognizes Taiwan citizens as its own, and Taiwan rdcognizes Chinese citizens as its own.

Personally I feel the claim China wants to invade Taiwan is like the claims East Germany would invade West Germany. A family visit is more likely.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 28 2022 18:18 utc | 67

Some people have said that Taiwan has bioweapons labs like the 46 DoD-Hunter Biden labs that were in the Ukraine. Pelosi showing up there has probably something to do with these bioweapons labs used for Covid and other viruses they use to steal from the taxpayers in western countries. It is a criminal operation with politicians in all the WEF countries and most of those politians are owned by WEF.

Posted by: Eddie O | Jul 28 2022 18:20 utc | 68

Mark my words, you and the Americans are going to find out soon!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 28 2022 17:38 utc | 57
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I tend to agree with you on this. Maybe, because I am biased.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 18:20 utc | 69

I wonder what the international legal situation is viz territory. If US planes with military escort want to land in Taiwan can they do so without technically entering Chinese territory which I believe is 200 miles offshore, no? So the Chinese military - who are now in charge of this little tempest in a teapot - can ask the parties to withdraw from Chinese territory and then if the military escorts refuse there might be a dust-up but I doubt they will be willing to risk Pelosi's precious neck, much as millions of US citizens might be praying for her untimely end!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 28 2022 18:23 utc | 70

This could eventualy lead to severe economical crysis. China have large control of US state debt and dollars. Relationships benefited both sides but benefited China more, hence the problems. But if national security become an issue CCP could be willing to sacrifice wealth.

Don't forget the Kuomintang. De facto Taiwan is independant state. But historicaly it was created during civil war by exiled Chinese goverment and their ideology alsou was "One Chine". So it is mutch more complex issue than seperatism, uighurs or Tibet. Mongolia alsou seperated from China (buy the help of russian monarchist general Baron von Ungern-Sternberg.)

Posted by: Alef | Jul 28 2022 18:33 utc | 71

Taras77 posted a provocative Eric Zuesse article in the Ukraine thread, about US nuclear weapons philosophy being more aggressive than during cold war 1.0 ; this seems also relevant to both US/China.

https://orientalreview.org/2022/07/20/u-s-game-plan-to-conquer-russia-china-is-clarified/

Mini summary:

Eric Zuesse says various publications indicate a change in US nuclear weapons concept since 2006. Moving away from MAD, and towards attempting to win-in-relative-terms an exchange of strategic weapons. All the while deceiving strategic rivals about their intent to do this.

I'd note- (1) decisions for this would have been made a few years before, at the apex of imperial puffery. (2) as repeatedly demonstrated, the caricature-imperialist mindset of the neocons never went away

Posted by: ptb | Jul 28 2022 18:33 utc | 72

If the Americans had just sent Pelosi on a plane I think the Chinese would had been more reserved in their response (just economic sanctions, nothing military), but the Americans stupidly escalated by sending an Aircraft Carrier and several vessels as a military escort for her. *IF* the Americans follow through with sending the aircraft carrier I'm sure the Chinese will respond militarily by either declaring a no-fly zone or forcing her plane to land in Mainland China and daring the escorts to stop them (Apparently the US fleet is being followed by several Chinese vessels and probably a few submarines as well). It will dangerous couple of weeks for sure

Posted by: Kadath | Jul 28 2022 18:42 utc | 73

ptb | Jul 28 2022 17:53 utc | 64

That is a mistake Russia and China both made. The proxies feel no danger, other puppets feel no danger. Their number keeps increasing until you get spit countries like Lithuania starting a blockade.
Even in Ukr, you see that the real puppets and nazis, the government and the army leadership, nato proxies behind all terrorism since 2014, are not even affected by war. No fear of consequences. With that weak behaviour, US will have no problem finding and paying new puppets forever.

Posted by: rk | Jul 28 2022 18:46 utc | 74

Dreaming...

They don't have diplomatic immunity and their papers won't be in order.

To defuse the situation the Pentagon or similar sabotages the plane so that it will have to ditch into the sea before it gets to China and can be rescued by "the Ronnie", but something goes wrong.

The plane keeps going too long before the technical malfunction and then perhaps also redirects to a mainland airport but goes down within Chinese waters far away from the Ronnie. Any survivors (maybe they all survive?) are rescued by Chinese fishermen and brought to mainland China with a Chinese Coast Guard escort.

In hospital they're placed under arrest. Maybe they're charged with serious offenses or maybe the Chinese will mock them with all sorts of suitably petty crimes like unlawful entry, loitering, littering, breaking the peace, the sort of stuff any low level criminals or misbehaving youth could face.

Held without bail and waiting for their turn in the justice system the US whines endlessly that they're not allowed to constantly run in and out of the jail to serve, translate for, and explain every little thing for the survivors.

Then they're sent to serve their time, at least a few months (if mocked) before being kicked out on humanitarian grounds.

Would be fun if it happened :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 28 2022 18:46 utc | 75

枪杆子里面出政权 is a Chinese aphorism.

Madame Lugosi seeks an empirical test of the truth quality of this aphorism reported to have come out of the mouth a person named Mao Zedong.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 28 2022 18:47 utc | 76

China may have learned from Russia. Russia really did try the diplomacy route. They pushed and prodded for many years. Somehow their diplomats failed to remember that wars happen when every other means of diplomacy failed. If Russia had turned off all of it's oil, gas and natural resources to the West, they may have happened very differently. I'm not sure if China will work the "economy" card, but coming on the heals of the economic suicide of the West right now, it certainly could get their attention. Seems odd that the US would provoke the #1 and #3 countries with nuclear weapons. I'm guessing it's about increasing funding to the domestic military industrial complex, but how dumb can they be to not realize that the other two countries won't blindly accept these actions.

Posted by: Doc | Jul 28 2022 18:54 utc | 77

Observer

1, Taiwan has referendums and has never chosen to put this independence vote out.
2. Taiwan used to keep China a float with lots of wealth and businesses run by Taiwanese in Shanghai, now it is reversing and the Taiwanese depend more on China.
3. More then 60% of the economy is connected to China, most flight in and out go to China
4. Most people in Taiwan have family in China
5. More and more Taiwanese are choosing universities in China if they can get in, because they are better then the US
6. I find it disturbing that people like you think it is OK for the US to call the shots on what Taiwan should do when the people of Taiwan have never said this is what they want.
Nor did the people of Ukraine want to leave Ukraine but they were being Genocide at the behest of the US, and Russia was the country that could take them in and protect them.
THE US AIM is BASES they could give a shit about the people of Taiwan. Just like they could give a shit about Natives here, or the Haitians who want independents from the US genocide.
Why would anyone in their right mind think the US cares about anything other then the MIC BIG Pharma and OIL?

Posted by: Susan | Jul 28 2022 18:59 utc | 78

pelosi and usa want to bring 'Jesus' to China. The way forward for China is 'Jesus'...that's why she wants to go.

Posted by: peter dimop | Jul 28 2022 19:00 utc | 79

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Jul 28 2022 17:50 utc | 61

It would take only minutes to send the RR to the bottom of the sea.
You obviously are not keeping up with Chinese advances in military technology.

Fixed it for you.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 28 2022 19:00 utc | 80

Maybe it's a plot to improve the line of succession. For it might not only be Zelensky that they are planning to polish off.

Posted by: Machiavelli | Jul 28 2022 19:01 utc | 81

As I've written all too often, the Taiwan Crisis will continue until Taiwan is reincorporated into China, then it will cease. Thus, there's only one way to defuse the crisis and it's up to China to act. IMO, we're at the point where the failure by China to respond forcefully will be seen as weakness, and Outlaw US Empire provocations will escalate until China finally responds appropriately. Taiwan is Chinese territory and, China has the right to defend its territory and sovereignty. IMO, almost any action China chooses will be appropriate. Omitted is the information I provided yesterday about the current provocation being instigated by Japan that has already pushed China's buttons. And again today the PLA issued yet another warning:

China has warned the US six times in the past few days over Pelosi's plan via different departments and channels. China's Foreign Ministry on Monday used the phrase "yanzhen yidai" (We are fully prepared for any eventuality) which literally translates into "streamlining army formation to wait for the enemy," and the Defense Ministry said the PLA "will not sit idly by" should Pelosi visit Taiwan. Hu Xijin, a commentator for the Global Times, said that China's recent responses, including the two rare expressions, sent a message that Beijing is determined to frustrate Pelosi's plan to visit Taiwan island.

Hu cited a few precedents where the two phrases were used.

Before the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea (1950-53), then premier Zhou Enlai warned that China will not sit idly by if US troops crossed the 38th parallel.

In 1964, the Chinese government warned the US after the Gulf of Tonkin incident using the same phrase, urging the US to stop marching toward the then Democratic Republic of Vietnam.

The phrase "yanzhen yidai," which the foreign ministry translated to "fully prepared for any eventuality," suggests the preparation is not military mobilization or logistical preparation, but rather having all personnel in place and all ammunition ready for a possible conflict, according to Hu.

Lü Xiang, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times "as the status quo has already been broken by the US due to Pelosi's visit, China will actively shape a new status quo." [My Emphasis]

In other words, China is Locked and Loaded. Will the Bully dare to test its opponent or will it choose not to further isolate itself as its economy goes deeper into recession on the way to Depression? Or will war with China be seen as a political and economic buoy?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2022 19:07 utc | 82

So, when will Pelosi get Monkey pox? A few months ago she got Covid.
Maybe from Karine Jean-Pierre...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 19:10 utc | 83

Sushi @78--

My translators have two expanations: "What's going on inside the barrel of the gun? and ‎Inside the barrel of the gun comes the regime‎." IOW, the dictate provided by the power of the gun, yes?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2022 19:13 utc | 84

Instead of "Where's Waldo" please inspect the following image while asking "Where is Taiwan?"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vOZb0qGOpPI/VedwiHL5aHI/AAAAAAAASps/GjtN57MBbgA/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-09-02%2Bat%2B6.41.44%2BPM.png

枪杆子里面出政权

See also:
https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-threat-and-proliferation/todays-missile-threat/china/china-anti-access-area-denial/

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 28 2022 19:14 utc | 85

The strings holding up the emperor’s bikini are so tattered they may snap anytime. Put other way, these are gases emanating from a dying corpse. We are this, and we are that. Our exceptional God has blessed us more than the godless. BS all the way.

The Yankees need their noses rubbed in shit.
Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 28 2022 16:37 utc | 31

They have. By the lowly, bare-foot-cave-dwelling-goat-harder-towel-heads, that we were told the Taliban are. They just can’t just admit they have a sense of smell.
Remember Afghanistan? 20 years, memory holed now.

And this: The war started with goal of replacing the Taliban, with, you guessed it, wait for it, Taliban.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 28 2022 19:16 utc | 86

Posted by: Susan | Jul 28 2022 18:59 utc | 80

Well said, Susan!

I would add that the main aim of using the Taiwan card for the Americans is to provoke China. The United States needs a wedge like Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong to attack China with.

Until this American itch is removed and removed permanently, China cannot achieve peace and stability.

Taiwan must be removed from the options that the US thinks it has in its pocket. Just as the Ukraine option is being removed by Russia.

Whether the Taiwan issue will go hot, it remains to be seen. The ball is in the American court.

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 28 2022 19:18 utc | 87

The Muslims are also waiting to get back at the Americans...😏
Too many fronts for the US.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 19:22 utc | 88

A few small missiles to crater the runways of her destination airport an hour before her ETA should make the Chinese POV very clear..🙂🙃🙂

Posted by: David K | Jul 28 2022 19:23 utc | 89

I've known you in my short time on MOA to have the temperament of Mr. Spock in your posts b. Always fact-based with solid analysis. I can almost hear your incredulity and disgust in this post, which is among your best of late, IMO.

On the final point of your post, I don't believe that The actions of the US government and their UK and EU satraps are mistakes. They are bent on breaking the globe and damn the consequences for their Great Reset, IMO. Does anyone else have any logical explanations for this.

Thanks for what you do b. You and your patrons never fail to educate.

Posted by: Boomhauer | Jul 28 2022 19:23 utc | 90

karlof1 | Jul 28 2022 19:07 utc | 84
Will the Bully dare to test its opponent

You can bet the bully will. Blinky requested a call with Lavrov, according to their own description, to warn against annexation.

So the running in circles in Ukr and cheap talk from China did not cause any danger anywhere. In fact it won't be surprising if nato goes in Ukr and US in Taiwan at the same time. EU practically was entering war economy and now we know why. No need to fight at first, just go in and steal everything, like in Syria. Would Russia and China dare to attack when all nukes, missiles and biolabs around them?

Posted by: rk | Jul 28 2022 19:24 utc | 91

The South Americans are waiting for a chance to hit the US...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 19:24 utc | 92

They are worried about a referendum in Taiwan, as ~73% will say yes to join Mainland China.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 28 2022 19:27 utc | 93

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 28 2022 19:13 utc | 86

Glad to see you back in the bar.

My Mandarin is beyond bad but I believe the correct translation is "Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun" in essence "might makes right."

As to who is "right" in the present circumstance I refer anyone interested in the answer to the image in Posted by: Sushi | Jul 28 2022 19:14 utc | 87

One picture may be worth more than letting fly one thousand missiles!

Hope to hear from you in August!

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 28 2022 19:27 utc | 94

In fact it won't be surprising if nato goes in Ukr and US in Taiwan at the same time.

Posted by: rk | Jul 28 2022 19:24 utc | 92
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Oh, really!
Which NATO country is ready to fight Russia?

Posted by: ppp | Jul 28 2022 19:28 utc | 95

1.) Outsource the bulk of your manufacturing to China.

2.) Employ the FIRE sector to squeeze the last remaining bits of wealth from your own
citizens.

3.) Harass and provoke the country to which you've outsourced your manufacturing.

Blinken could have been the brains behind this fiasco, but he was just a childhood friend of Ghislaine Maxwell, when others of his ilk dreamed up this shitshow.


Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jul 28 2022 19:31 utc | 96

Why would Pelosi go to Taiwan by airplane? Wouldn't it be safer to go by submarine?

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 28 2022 19:34 utc | 97

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 28 2022 16:07 utc | 5

b says "Taiwan is part of China."

Thanks you b "Taiwan is a province of China, from Xinjiang to Heilongjiang or Heilungkiang are part of China." is a province in northeast China. It is the northernmost and easternmost province of the country

Taiwan (ROC) has its own passports and currency. I passes its own laws without consultation with China (PROC). Ergo, Taiwan is an independent country..... But, But, she never renounce a separate country nor seek independent from China... and there are four main fractions... Taiwan's aborigines, Chiang's fraction... the KMT...Japanese fraction.. which is Tsai Ing-wen belong and lastly the HK's fraction or fucking American fraction...and were despise and no longer welcome in Taiwan... no longer issue PR..

My advice go read up history... best go the CarlZha and he's now surfing in Bali Indonesia with his Balinese wife.... or watch Gonzalo Lair, he even said he'll never return to the West but may even consider China........ (starting 10:10)... enjoy....

2022.07.27 The Persecution of Alina Lipp and Graham Phillips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kySdScuTpDg

2022.07.27 The Persecution of Alina Lipp and Graham Phillips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-16DBldkYE

Roundtable #6: Giuliano, Hinkle, Reed, BTW.. Angelo Giuliano a Swiss citizen - a good fren of Brian Berletic now lived in HK..

Posted by: JC | Jul 28 2022 19:34 utc | 98

Meanwhile in China: Beijing is seeking to mobilise up to Rmb1tn ($148bn) of loans for millions of stalled property developments

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 28 2022 19:36 utc | 99

I am disappointed that Xi talked to Biden again, as requested. China's stance prior to this talk was that America didn't live up to promises and professed spirits of past summit dialogues, therefore more talks would be superfluous. So, why answer the call this time???

Putin warned in September 2021 of the Donbass situation and demanded specific correction by the West. When ignored, Russia made formal ultimatum in writing in December and set deadlines of responses. When ignored again, Russia took SMO decisively and resolutely. That's what China ought to do now .

China had warned when news first broke of Pelosi's plan to visit Taiwan. In Wang Yi's meeting with Blinken, China formally demanded conformance to the Three Communiques. It's clear now both these two sincere attempts to avoid direct conflicts have been wantonly ignored. Therefore, it is time that China take SMO. The time that Pelosi's delegation land on Taiwan is the time when Chinese missiles land on Taiwan's military installations. As b averred, China of 2022 is not the same China of 1991. Also, China of 2022 should not be the only one making efforts to avoid WW3. If the use of "war" as a hostage against China as wanton disgrace and humiliation against it, then its time for China to publicly declare enough is enough, as Russia did on Feb. 24, 2022.

I do wonder sometimes why has China been so timid in dealing with the Empire. The degree of scorns and insults that the Empire has piled upon China since the 90's has greatly exceeded what it has piled upon Russia even since prior to 2008. Yet, China has time and again just sucked it up. Is it because the presence of a 5th column at the core of the leadership? Is it because of China's lack of confidence it its own capabilities and resources? Is it China's Confucian aspiration of "harmony breeds prosperity" psychology? I don't know, even as being an ethnic Chinese myself. But I don't like the reality so far.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 28 2022 19:36 utc | 100

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