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July 11, 2022

NYT Ground Report Debunks NYT Claim Of Strikes Against 'Ukraine’s Civilians'

Nearly all big mainstream media currently provide 'live updates' of the war in Ukraine. These include abbreviated reports about this or that incident. They are convenient for the reader but miss important details which often debunk the claims made in them.

In today's 'live updates' the Washington Post writes twice about a missile strike in the town of Chasiv Yar:

Two dozen people remained trapped under the rubble of two high-rise apartment buildings in Chasiv Yar, a city in the Donetsk region, that local officials said were struck by Russian missiles. The governor of Donetsk called Russian strikes on the region over the weekend “true hell.”

More details are mentioned further down:

Rescue teams continue to comb through a residential complex after a Russian missile strike in Chasiv Yar over the weekend. Photos show bodies being pulled from the rubble and the possessions of residents buried under piles of bricks and dust.

Amid the debris lay shattered photo frames, furniture, blown-out windows and doors. Some residents returned to try to salvage their belongings. At least 18 were killed, and two dozen are missing. The death toll is expected to rise.

Some locals watched in horror as they waited for news of their loved ones.

“It was a missile strike,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sunday. “And everyone who gives orders for such strikes, everyone who carries them out targeting our ordinary cities, residential areas, kills absolutely deliberately.”

The Saturday missile strike on Chasiv Yar was also mentioned in yesterday's WaPo 'live updates' in similar detail. I find no stand alone report on the strike on the WaPo website.

Chasiv Yar lies west of Bakhmut about 25 kilometer from the front line

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The New York Times' 'live updates' also mention the strike. The summary says:

The toll from a strike on the apartment complex in the Donetsk village of Chasiv Yar late Saturday rose to 24, the Ukrainian State Emergency Service said on Monday on Twitter. Eight people had been pulled from the rubble and rescued so far, it said.

Further down the incident is described in more detail:

Rescue workers scrambled on Sunday and into Monday to pull survivors from the wreckage of a five-story residential block in the eastern village of Chasiv Yar, in Donetsk, that was targeted by Russian missiles. Twenty-four people were killed and nine people had been rescued.

But President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said in a speech on Saturday that he hopes that an influx of weapons supplied by the West — including $400 million in military aid announced by the Biden administration on Friday — would help redress its disadvantage and “reduce Russian attack capabilities.”

The Times however has a reporter, Carlotta Gall, in Ukraine who visited the town and down in her stand alone report we find important details that the summaries somehow missed:

CHASIV YAR, Ukraine — Russia’s offensive in eastern Ukraine is intensifying in Donetsk Province, with a string of towns and villages coming under bombardment in the last week as Russian troops turn their firepower farther west after seizing control of the last city under Ukrainian control in Luhansk Province.

For days now, the attacks have mostly seemed random and without purpose, but taken as a whole they make clear that Russia is preparing to capture another slice of Donetsk, the other province in the Donbas region.
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The deadliest attack came late Saturday, when rockets struck an apartment complex in the village of Chasiv Yar, a dozen miles from the front. At least 15 people were reported dead.

All through the day on Sunday, soldiers and emergency crews worked to rescue people from the bombed complex, pulling a sixth survivor from the rubble nearly 24 hours after the Russian rockets hit. Still, officials said late Saturday that a number of people might still lay beneath the debris.
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On the front in Donetsk Province, a resident of Chasiv Yar village, Oleksandr, 31, stood watching the rescue work at the stricken apartment complex as machines pulled away concrete slabs and emergency workers flung bricks aside. “My grandmother was here,” he said. “That’s her bed,” he added pointing to the pile of rubble. “I hope they will find her and I can give her a funeral.”

He said that about 10 civilians, mostly women on pensions, were living in the building at the time of the strike, but that members of the military had come to lodge there two days earlier. He had tried to persuade his grandmother to move to his place, he said, but she had refused.

Two soldiers who had been staying in the building were among the dead, according to another soldier who arrived with colleagues from the front line near Bakhmut to retrieve belongings. He gave only his first name, Dyma, and his age, 28, in accordance with military rules. Military vests and rucksacks and a broken rifle, covered in brick dust, lay on the ground under the trees.

He said a plane had struck the building with rockets. Aerial bombardment was the most punishing, Dyma said. A plane had dropped a parachute bomb on their positions near Bakhmut, causing devastating damage. “They do not announce it but we are taking heavy losses,” he said. “We need to close the skies,” he added, repeating a request that many Ukrainians make for planes and stronger air defense systems from Western allies to combat Russian aerial attacks.

So, according to Oleksandr, the resident of Chasiv Yar, 10 old women were living in the building. But there are a total of 24 who were retrieved dead, according to the latest NYT update, two dozen who are additionally still missing and 8 that were rescued.

That makes for a total of 56 people hit by the strike of which possibly 10 were the resident pensioners. The other 46 then were 'members of the military [who] had come to lodge there two days earlier'.

To call that a 'strike on civilians' is incorrect to say the least. It was a strike on a military target that unfortunately had used a civilian residential structure with the residents becoming human shield and later 'collateral damage'.

The Russian defense ministry is thereby mostly correct when it reports the strike like this:

High-precision ground-based weapons near Chasov Yar in Donetsk People's Republic have destroyed temporary deployment point of 118th Brigade of Territorial Defence of AFU. The attack has resulted in the elimination of more than 300 nationalists.

The number in the Russian report is likely exaggerated (as is typical for such military reports). On the other hand we do not know the real number of casualties as such numbers usually creep up over time as they have already done in this case. The Ukrainian government may also want to hide the real casualty number. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle of both current claims.

UPDATE (17:15 UTC)

I have now found a decent survey view of the house. With 5 stories it is big enough to house the 300 troops the Russia defense ministry claimed. We however do not know how many really were there.


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Ignoring the detailed report from its own reporter the New York Times today added a stand alone piece that accuses the Russian military of repeated hits on civilians:

Russia has claimed that it aims only at targets of military value — even though some were hundreds of miles from the front lines — and that whenever a civilian facility did get hit, it was one that the Ukrainian military had co-opted for use as a command post, a shelter for foreign fighters or storage for weapons.
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Yet journalists, independent organizations and Ukrainian officials have documented Russian attacks on thousands of civilian buildings, structures and vehicles. In some cases, Russia used outdated weapons that might have been aimed at an industrial facility but missed, putting civilians at risk. But in many other cases, the Russians’ explanations have not held up under scrutiny.

Here are a few of the largest attacks, along with how Russia has explained away responsibility.

July 9: Apartment complex in Chasiv Yar

At least 24 people were killed after Russian rockets slammed into an apartment complex in Chasiv Yar, an eastern village about a dozen miles from the front line, Ukrainian emergency services said. Initial reports said a number of others were trapped beneath the rubble.

Russia’s response: The apartment buildings were being used by Ukrainian troops, the Russian state news agency TASS reported, citing an unnamed Russian law enforcement official. No civilians were killed, it claimed.

The Russian claim that 'no civilians were killed' is likely false, but the New York Times claim that it was an attack on something 'civilian' is proven wrong by the on-the-ground report from its own journalist.

The accusatory piece also mention as 'civilian' target the shopping mall in Kremenchuck which burned down after a missile strike hit the heavy machine factory right behind it.

The writers also list the Kramatorsk train station which was hit by a Ukranian Tocka-U missile fired from the direction held by the Ukrainian military.

Other 'civilian' places mentioned in that smear piece are the Mariupol maternity hospital which had been reported empty before being used as a fighting position, attacks on holiday apartments in Odessa which had previously been reported to house foreign fighters and the alleged Bucha massacre which was caused by Ukrainian artillery and Azov Nazis who killed pro-Russian civilians after the Russian military had departed the town.

The whole accusatory report, headlined 'Russia Repeatedly Strikes Ukraine’s Civilians. There’s Always an Excuse.', falls apart when one looks into the details behind the propaganda claims 'western' media made about the incidents.

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Slightly unrelated... but just read it so posting on most recent thread.

Cause:

"I'd take a bullet for Putin" - 30/6/22

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/putin-bernie-ecclestone-interview-gmb-b2112651.html

... and Effect:

"Ex-F1 chief Ecclestone charged with $475 million fraud" - 11/7/22

https://www.rt.com/sport/558772-f1-ecclestone-fraud-charge/

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 11 2022 15:17 utc | 1

Appears most civvies left once the military moved in but the 10 grandmas wanted to stay or had no place else to go.

Another tragedy whose root cause lies inside the Beltway.

BTW - if the 118th Volksturm was really using that building as a residence, just another tell of Kiev scrapping the barrel and throwing in cannon fodder against hardened combat forces

Posted by: Exile | Jul 11 2022 15:17 utc | 2

Is anyone following the story about Ukrainian claims of a million man army getting ready for it's famous August offensive?

Posted by: Richard | Jul 11 2022 15:26 utc | 3

Posted by: Richard | Jul 11 2022 15:26 utc | 3

Yes, seems to be a dead end. Pun very much intended.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 11 2022 15:31 utc | 4

@Richard

There is no story. It's a double fake news nothing burger.

Jus ignore it.

Posted by: Idiocrates | Jul 11 2022 15:32 utc | 5

Is anyone following the story about Ukrainian claims of a million man army getting ready for it's famous August offensive?

Posted by: Richard | Jul 11 2022 15:26 utc | 3

There are easily over a million Ukrainians capable of being offensive in any given month. The question should be can a million sustain an effective attack? Boots on the ground with rifles and grenades will only reduce the population.

Posted by: Art Tillery | Jul 11 2022 15:32 utc | 6

Meanwhile, US-supplied HIMARS killed three civilians in Donbass, all three were engaged in a humanitarian mission no less.

I think Russia should do the NYT and the WaPo a big favor and ACTUALLY target a few specific civilians in Ukraine: Americans!

After all, the only thing that these Americans truly understand is Naked Force!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 11 2022 15:40 utc | 7

This strategy of "defence" is just disguasting. It is like religious extremists say hamas who hiddes behind schools, hospitals etc and launch rockets from kindergartens. But they are religious radicals hence they consider civilian casaulties retaliation being martyrs of holly war.

I supose ukr military should protect population of Ukr. But they treat them as disposable material. No doubt larga part of population don't want to live in that country, some are willing to be occupied by Russia and some other are wiling to emigrate in westward direction.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 11 2022 15:42 utc | 8

In an answer to " million man army" that goes under the heading..IBIWISI or I Believe It When I See It.

Posted by: Lou Cypher | Jul 11 2022 15:45 utc | 9

The million-human army (no doubt it will include female pensioners, too - let's not be sexist here, the Ukie army is an equal-opportunity employer) will be fully-trained by the British military and available for deployment from the autumn of 2055 (assuming the British Army can maintain a training rate of 10,000 souls every three months.

Posted by: IvanTheNotSoTerrible | Jul 11 2022 15:54 utc | 10

thanks b.....

fog of war... western newspapers have one mandate and that is to characterize russia as the bad guy.... reporter Carlotta Gall, or her editor is going to be reprimanded for this accidental revelation and will not be allowed to let important details like this slip out again - if she gets to report on anything again...

may as well make it a trillion or billion person army in ukraine.... why stop at a million?? crazy does as crazy is...

i have 10 grand in the bank, but i always tell others i have a million in the bank... who is to know? lolol...

Posted by: james | Jul 11 2022 16:07 utc | 11

Alef | Jul 11 2022 15:42 utc | 8

Statism is a violent extremist religion. There's no reason to expect otherwise.

Lou Cypher | Jul 11 2022 15:45 utc | 9

A million info operators will make Twitter unusable for anything but Western ruling-class theater. Here come da #KHive!

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Jul 11 2022 16:15 utc | 12

Posted by: Richard | Jul 11 2022 15:26 utc | 3

McStain's ghost and his buddy Graham together with another warmonger visits Kiev - what did you expect the headlines will be in the days to come? its all choreographed by the states department.....the war has to be ramped up if there are 500,000 Ukrainian women still alive to be used as canon fodder!

Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Jul 11 2022 16:16 utc | 13

@2 exile
re "if UA really using 118th volkstrum..."

They are consistently using a mix. No shortage of the untrained. These unfortunates are sent to dig and fill the trenches, lay mines, provide a mass of bodies in which the properly trained pre-2022 infantry (what remains of the motor rifle brigades) and the SF and mercenaries, can get lost in. And otherwise generally function as a human speed bump. It conserves butn rate of the mechanized brigades, who are the backbone of the VSU.

Posted by: ptb | Jul 11 2022 16:17 utc | 14

burn* rare

Posted by: ptb | Jul 11 2022 16:17 utc | 15

There are easily over a million Ukrainians capable of being offensive in any given month. The question should be can a million sustain an effective attack? Boots on the ground with rifles and grenades will only reduce the population.

Posted by: Art Tillery | Jul 11 2022 15:32 utc | 6

That's not even remotely true in any sense.

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 11 2022 16:19 utc | 16

Tass presser on the Canadian Siemens/Rolls turbine and compressor situation. Confirms earlier reporting. Elaborates that EC clarified that equipment for transport of gas is exempt from sanctions.

https://tass.com/economy/1478339

This unexpectedly broad statement from EU/EC could be a nice development, for me it faintly brings up hope of a compromise at least on natgas trade - because one of the other vulnerabilities of the gas trade were in LNG liquifecation plants connected to Yamal, being built by Linde...

Posted by: ptb | Jul 11 2022 16:23 utc | 17

This strategy of "defence" is just disguasting. It is like religious extremists say hamas who hiddes behind schools, hospitals etc and launch rockets from kindergartens. But they are religious radicals hence they consider civilian casaulties retaliation being martyrs of holly war.

I supose ukr military should protect population of Ukr. But they treat them as disposable material. No doubt larga part of population don't want to live in that country, some are willing to be occupied by Russia and some other are wiling to emigrate in westward direction.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 11 2022 15:42 utc | 8

Those HAMAS story using schools (2 story building) or kindergarten ( 1story building) as firing point? Is just story Israeli Occupation Army disseminated to excuse their habitual terrorism against Palestinian children.

They'll say HAMAS do that, without presenting any evidence.

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 11 2022 16:23 utc | 18

Like the Jew King Zelinsky said - " We are going to be just like Israel" well, he certainly has total immunity for all war crimes committed - like Israel , so the Ukies will keep hiding in apartment buildings, using civilians as pawns and make believing Eastern Ukraine is Syria. I'm just wondering when Russia is going to get serious and wipe out every road, train, bus station . bridge and cow trail , leading from Poland.

Posted by: GMC | Jul 11 2022 16:28 utc | 19

GMC | Jul 11 2022 16:28 utc | 19

most here aren't interested in russia being the same as ''shock and awe" usa... the jewish shit doesn't fly around here either...

Posted by: james | Jul 11 2022 16:33 utc | 20

@Alef | Jul 11 2022 15:42 utc | 8 "some other are wiling to emigrate in westward direction."

Willing they may be, but migrating to EU isn't an easy task. The news today said that France has placed a limit of 10 refugees per day.

Posted by: rk | Jul 11 2022 16:37 utc | 21

That's not even remotely true in any sense.

Posted by: Lucci | Jul 11 2022 16:19 utc | 16

Apologies if the attempt at humor and sarcasm was not self evident.

Posted by: a | Jul 11 2022 16:40 utc | 22

@IvanTheNotSoTerrible | Jul 11 2022 15:54 utc

Sorry but « assuming the British Army can maintain a training rate of 10,000 souls every three months», Ukraine will have 1 million soldiers in 2047.

How many of these soldiets will be dead in 2047 is not known. It might be more effective to enrol the dead now (no waste of time).

Posted by: Leuk | Jul 11 2022 16:42 utc | 23

Sam Smith | Jul 11 2022 15:40 utc | 7

Meanwhile, US-supplied HIMARS killed three civilians in Donbas, all three were engaged in a humanitarian mission no less.

Could it be that the HIMARS rockets were homing in on these guys' mobile phones?

Posted by: Hereward | Jul 11 2022 16:43 utc | 24

Art Tillery | Jul 11 2022 15:32 utc | 6
There are easily over a million Ukrainians capable of being offensive in any given month
I shouldn’t laugh, but I have a black sense of humour.
From reports, there’s some *4million* disposed Ukrainians, being *offensive* all over Europe. In any given month.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2022 16:47 utc | 25

I have made it a rule since the bombing of Libya,1986, that to never, ever trust anything that comes from the US. These people lie habitually, they do not know to not lie, it's a lifestyle. They should change "in God we trust" to "in Lies we trust"., Everyone does it anytime, anyhow and anywhere.
But they are not even good at it! And the y been doing it for more than 2 centuries! Imagine if Goebbels had had 2 centuries to lie!It would be magnificent lies, Goebbels a true Master, a Jedi in lying.
No, the US is a spent force, unfortunately with a nuclear arsenal.
I am not finished ranting, the USians are stupid besides being liars, which makes the whole mess even more tragicomic to an outside observer.
So the have this wet dream where they defeat both Russia AND China at the same time! Whatever they are smoking, drinking or eating, I want some too!
Ukraine is ruled by looneys, the should be locked up in an asylum. You do not get away with orally threatening a Super power, especially not the size and capabilities of Russia, if you are a neighbour to a superpower, you will have to acknowledge that. Sweden used to do that as the Finns did, but now they both have lost all senses.Germany too, the last smackdown was apparently not hard enough! Next time Germans will be extinct, like the Dodo!

Posted by: Den lille abe | Jul 11 2022 16:52 utc | 26

I saw a report that the Russian strike on Chasiv Yar destroyed a warehouse of m-777 and ammunition. Destroy before firing even once.
Perhaps that’s why the NYT item was written… to salve the sting of the loss of precious “gamechanger” mlrs.
Similarly, the hype is loud that the HIMARS are destroying Russian ammunition stores. It seems some strikes have occurred. Which is almost the first time Ukraine has struck like this.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 11 2022 16:54 utc | 27

Ukraine tactics are to kill ethnic-Russian Civilians in Donbass. They use civilians as shields or simply targets. Western media is complicit in all these war crimes.

Posted by: David Parsons | Jul 11 2022 16:59 utc | 28

Posted by: Alef | Jul 11 2022 15:42 utc | 8

I would like to add on to the point posted by: Lucci | Jul 11 2022 16:23 utc | 18. When you say Hamas, you are talking about the Gaza Strip. Have you seen the Gaza strip? The whole thing is one big open air apartheid prison camp. Tell me Mr. Alef, exactly where do you suggest that the Palestine people locked up in an open-air prison fight their oppressors (which they have every right to do)? What battlefield should they choose to defend themselves from the miserable fascist Zionist pigs living on stolen Palestinian land? Maybe your point is that they shouldn't fight at all, but just surrender and go away and die somewhere. That is certainly the position of the Israeli government and its allies like the United States.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 11 2022 17:04 utc | 29

Melalueca 25

The initial enthusiasm to offer housing to all these people has waned:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/16/hundreds-of-ukrainian-refugees-left-homeless-in-england-data-shows

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Jul 11 2022 17:07 utc | 30

On the Telegram channel DruschbaFM there is an interesting post today:


Military conflict vector to be determined within a few months

Dmitry Abzalov, president of the Centre for Strategic Communications, on changing the status of the special operation:

▪️We have allowed the West to violate every possible boundary. They are supplying HIMARS to Ukraine and sending instructors there. They are now preparing to supply air defence systems.

▪️We have little time left to decide on a strategy. Within a few months, we can inflict economic damage on the EU. During this time we will not resolve the issue of Kharkov, Nukolaev and Zaporizhskaya region. Our main objectives now revolve around Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.

▪️We can limit the external impact with the collapse of the Western economy. However, by doing so we will only slow down the supply of arms, not stop it. If we declare war on Ukraine, we should prepare for a permanent economic rupture. We can also outline our position on the European direction and recall our ambassadors.

▪️ In August or September the fate of Kramatorsk must be decided. Everyone will suffer economically from the protracted conflict.

Posted by: Nico | Jul 11 2022 17:14 utc | 31

@all

I have added a picture of the house that was hit to the piece above. It looks big enough to have plausibly hosted 300 Ukrainian troops. However we do not know how many were really there.

Posted by: b | Jul 11 2022 17:15 utc | 32

Ed Nelson | Jul 11 2022 17:04 utc | 29
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Well said, Ed, thanks

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jul 11 2022 17:16 utc | 33

What puzzles me on those HIMARS is their numbers available on the frontlines,i.e. used against the
Donetz populations. As far as I read on Telegram/News outlets, 4 HIMARS units were sent by the US a
3 weeks ago. OF those there were 2 units sold by the Ukro militairy to Russia for $120k a piece, so 2 gone out of 4. Last week 2 units destroyed near Donets town. Another 2 gone, so none left of the original 4. The US promised to sent 4 more HIMARS units a week ago. Are they already operational and used against Donets peoples?
Stories keep popping up of shelling by those units like there are more of them. Anybody knows more about them?

Posted by: DutchZ | Jul 11 2022 17:16 utc | 34

I am wondering what the MoD is going to do with the daily deadly Ukraine rocket attacks.
Seems like that the Russian air defenses is totally useless against Himars?
Ukraine has only received eight Himars from the USA, but the few rocket launchers are already taking effect. In the east and south of the country, the Ukros have destroyed Russian ammunition depots and command posts on a daily base.
Alexander Sladkov asking when this will finally stop?
Igor Girkin asking, When will the Russian Air Force finally start fighting at full strength?
Roman Saponkow asking, for what Russia has an air force and air defence? He is writting "I've been under artillery fire before, but what really impressed me was that all five or six rockets hit almost the same point."
Dmitryev writes, "The Russian army leadership thought they could move the border westward city by city, but now the Ukrainian army has an antidote - it is destroying with Himars the weapons caches," "Even if the Russian army mobilizes a million soldiers, it no longer has the strength to move the front west."

Posted by: Chessmaster | Jul 11 2022 17:17 utc | 35

Maybe it would be best to officially declare war on Ukraine, telling Ukrainian civilians that either they help Russia or they are also considered enemies.
Russia has lost too much time and resources on this war "lite" already, while sparing civilians is not even appreciated by Ukrainians.

Once war has been declared, flatten Kiev after after a 24h notice to evacuate. Just for starters...

Posted by: Nico | Jul 11 2022 17:23 utc | 36

@DutchZ | Jul 11 2022 17:16 utc | 34

It's the weekly email. All parrots, including those here, repeat the email written by a green hair diversity hire in us and uk. Give it a day or two and they'll receive the new news.

Posted by: rk | Jul 11 2022 17:32 utc | 37

Yet another deprecator of the pace of Russia's SMO. Nico @36, do please get your passport, visa and go to Russia so you can demand to talk to those running the SMO to speed it up. But I'll warn you now that Russians will not engage in the War Crimes you propose.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2022 17:35 utc | 38

Posted by: Nico | Jul 11 2022 17:23 utc

Fully agree with you!

Russia has to occupy complete Ukraine otherwise this daily rocket terror will never stop
Ukraine terrorists have increased terror attacks on important people in Donezk and Luhansk.
Here too, the Russian secret service and Russian army looking poor and helplessly ...........not good....

Posted by: Chessmaster | Jul 11 2022 17:37 utc | 39


Maybe it would be best to officially [tell] Ukrainian civilians that either they help Russia or they are also considered enemies.

Posted by: Nico | Jul 11 2022 17:23 utc | 36

Troll.

Posted by: Leuk | Jul 11 2022 17:40 utc | 40

Melaleuca | Jul 11 2022 16:47 utc | 25
From reports, there’s some *4million* disposed Ukrainians, being *offensive* all over Europe. In any given month.

I live in a government subsidised apartment in Ontario
ALL new tennants are from the Ukraine.
One such tennant has just been evicted for calling the Somalians here the n word.
Canada is their preferred destination.
Trudy and his Nazi work-wife have given them preferrence to all other refugees for free housing.
good times


Posted by: ld | Jul 11 2022 17:52 utc | 41

Posted by: Chessmaster | Jul 11 2022 17:17 utc | 35

Gee isn't it a little soon for all this pessimism? Biden has been talking about these HIMARS missile systems for a couple of months. It is hard for me to believe that the Russian Military has NO contingency plans to deal with them; if not, then Russia has NO right to a victory in Ukraine. Surly they knew, even before the SMO started that they would be fighting the US and NATO, and that the AFU was just a proxy army. I would hope (and I am sure) that the RF Military Leaders know something about the kind of weapons that the US and NATO are capable of putting out on the battlefield.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 11 2022 17:53 utc | 42

Hi Mars meet Ur Anus.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jul 11 2022 17:53 utc | 43

I live in a government subsidised apartment in Ontario ALL new tennants are from the Ukraine. One such tennant has just been evicted for calling the Somalians here the n word.

Posted by: ld | Jul 11 2022 17:52 utc | 41

You must live in Little Mogadishu, Dixon Road. My condolences, I am only a couple of km east of there.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 11 2022 17:58 utc | 44

The presence of a sufficiently large number of military would indeed justify an attack. FOX thinks its okay for Israel to destroy the AP building in Gaza because of an alleged PLO office. That's right, the presence of a filing cabinet made it okay to destroy an entire building.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 11 2022 17:59 utc | 45

@ WTFUD

Please spare us the details of your private life.

Posted by: Leuk | Jul 11 2022 17:59 utc | 46

I think China should help Russia by providing additional satellites that zoom in on all access points to Ukraine. If the US provides satellite data to Ukraine, China has every right to help Russia in the same way.

Russia is still letting in way too much stuff. Just destroy anything remotely resembling a street right behind the border. And of course all railroad tracks. This is a war, there is no point in allowing Ukrainians to continue to travel to and from Ukraine just like that.

Posted by: Nico | Jul 11 2022 18:00 utc | 47

speaking of newyork (capitalists toilet),

yankees this morning fema broadcast
warning of nuclear attack preparedness...


its tells them to nothing but go inside and die,

zero mention of bombshelter!

usa only protects the elite rich, only elite survive nuke war. no bombshelters for the peasant usa slaves!

compared to Russia and China, they built bunkers for its people and will tell them. would usa gov even tell its population to seek shelter?

This explains capitalism, where every usa politician is for sale
and why its a failed project

Posted by: meow | Jul 11 2022 18:01 utc | 48

This explains capitalism, where every usa politician is for sale and why its a failed project Posted by: meow | Jul 11 2022 18:01 utc | 48

A Kleptocracy is not Capitalism. In my observation, the only significant difference between predominantly capitalist and predominantly socialist (neither exists in a pure state) systems is that the price of the government "inducement" is lower under socialist regimes

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 11 2022 18:11 utc | 49

B's attempts to mount a defense against accusations of war crimes is meaningless blather. Plenty of war crimes are being committed by all combatants. The victor's will hang the loser's. Every escalation and every tit for tat will only make for even bigger war crimes. If you are serious about ending the criminal activity of war, you must seek peace. In the absence of any effort on the part of any of the belligerents to bring an end to the killing---they are all complicit. Putin-war criminal, Biden-war criminal, Xi-war criminal, those are the ring leaders--the various henchmen they utilize are of course criminals as well--of course if we can get to a negotiated end only enlisted men, mercenaries and maybe a couple non-comms will hang.

Oh wait, didn't they JUST sentence some 100 year old ex-NAZI concentration guard for murder.

Posted by: wobblie | Jul 11 2022 18:12 utc | 50

A Kleptocracy is not Capitalism.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 11 2022 18:11 utc | 49

The difference is so small that the point is moot.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 11 2022 18:22 utc | 51

am reposting this fro the previous thread
RE THE MILLION MEN ARMY

It is of course BS. Propaganda stuff.

But suppose the Ukies could muster this strong an army, no tanks, no artillery, logistical vehicles only, a broad front of lightly armed
soldiers, females at the front, advancing in unison across the field à la Korean Army, taking losses by the thousands, arming themselves from the dead, and marching East, ineluctably, relentlessly, facing the bullets of the enemy, high on coke and/or other chemical armor like an army of ants, like the feared "Marabunta", with Russian soldiers exhausting clips after clips of ammunition and being relentlessly pushed back in horror at such carnage...

But seriously barflies, a state wishing to call women to the ranks should only draft women above the age of procreation , because if you draft the child bearers, how will you repopulate the nation?

The insistence of Kiev to sacrifice as many of its nationals in this un-winnable war gives credence to the notion that there is the will to depopulate Ukraine to prepare the homecoming of the new re-settlers from Israel, because Israel and the Zionists know that they will have to vacate the middle east if they want to survive. Hence, the insistence of Zelensky to expurgate the Ukrainians from their land.

The announcements asking civilians to vacate the premises purports to preventing a quorum for the validity of the projected referenda to take place in October to reflect the decision to join Russia or secede from Ukraine into an independent Republic.

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 11 2022 18:04 utc | 306

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 11 2022 18:23 utc | 52

Hey Wobbling Wheel #50, do you know the story of your pal the stuck record ...stuck record ...stuck record ...stuck record... (ad lib.)

Posted by: Leuk | Jul 11 2022 18:27 utc | 53

It is vital for Russian troops to wipe out West-supplied rocket launchers, says expert
If the Ukrainians plan their shoot and scoot routes, fire once or twice, and hide for the rest of the day in preplanned routes they coud probably survive and do some damage. According to the article Russia is going to have to reoranize its anti missle defense. I read somewhere that he low angle of the missles makes it hard to intercept HIMARS but I cannot find that article.

Navstar: GPS Satellite Network
Navstar has one strong channel for military use and weaker channels for other uses. I am sure the DOD has all the targeting planned out going forward.

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 11 2022 18:29 utc | 54

Is anyone following the story about Ukrainian claims of a million man army getting ready for it's famous August offensive?

Posted by: Richard | Jul 11 2022 15:26 utc | 3


Ukr leaders anounced that they will start negotiation only in august. I gues they are so brainwashed with propoganda that they expect reverse of tide and some victory. I don't think the result would be any different than their previous attempts. They would hardly handle a new superiour weapons.
Negotiations and some agreement are only as valuable as sides are ready to stitch with it. So far 'Minsk Agreements' in Ukr were labeled 'traitorous' and no points were implemented.
Maybe some neutral belt between the sides with UN control.

When you say Hamas, you are talking about the Gaza Strip. Have you seen the Gaza strip? The whole thing is one big open air apartheid prison camp. Tell me Mr. Alef, exactly where do you suggest that the Palestine people locked up in an open-air prison fight their oppressors (which they have every right to do)? What battlefield should they choose to defend themselves from the miserable fascist Zionist pigs living on stolen Palestinian land? Maybe your point is that they shouldn't fight at all, but just surrender and go away and die somewhere. That is certainly the position of the Israeli government and its allies like the United States.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 11 2022 17:04 utc | 29


You are using same type emotional arguments like ukrainians and some other b-hurt eastern europeans;)
Arab population in Gaza are victims of their own religious radical wievs and the idea they will somehow defeat Israel and throw it in sea. Whole Gaza Strip could go to Egyptan rule which would mean peace and egyptan military rule. But that would need too mutch resources from egyptan side. Gaza palestinian arabs, west bank palestinian arabs, israeli arabs, half of the jordaneses arabs is the same arab stock. They don't need to go somewhere but maybe abandon idea of 10 more attempts and then their victory. Of corse there is prison like regime, but unfortunately there is no other way to handle situation. Egyptans too keep Gaza under the wall.
Maybe with Saudis this will change, they want to stop this permanent conflict.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 11 2022 18:31 utc | 55

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Xi has nothing to do with this war, China has not been part of any war in decades.

And claiming that Putin is a war criminal is not enough. You have to back it up somehow. War crimes are crimes and as such they have to be investigated and judged by an official court.

I don't see any evidence of Putin being a war criminal.

Posted by: Nico | Jul 11 2022 18:32 utc | 56

Opport Knocks | Jul 11 2022 18:11 utc | 49

It's hilarious how so many posters here need the world to believe the bourgeois middle class could be a force for good if only other people were "reformed" into practicing the "correct" mythology of capitalist predation in order to discipline the gods, isn't it?

The two anthropologists who have written the most extensively on Kwakiutl cosmology, Goldman (1975) and Walens (1981), both emphasize that this was essentially a hunting cosmology, of a sort familiar in a variety of forms from Siberia to South America. Such systems are often based on the supposition of a kind of cooperative relationship between humans and their prey: when one kills game one must do it properly, and this is all the more true of the disposal of animal remains; this is a ritual responsibility that ensures the continued reincarnation of the animals. Such cosmological systems are all about food, and the circulation of souls and substance between humans and their prey. They almost never become ideologies of rule or support for the existence of an aristocracy of non-producers, because in hunter-gatherer societies such a stratum almost never exists. In other words, it would seem that the existence of rich, storable food surpluses on the Northwest Coast both eliminated much of the insecurity which tends to generate such an emphasis, and at the same time allowed the emergence of a kind of ruling class that then maintained that same cosmology as justification of its rule. Nobles did not hunt or fish. But they maintained the circulation of souls that made hunting and fishing possible.

Already one can see how different all this is from a cosmology of the Polynesian variety. In fact, in many ways Kwakwala assumptions seem exactly the opposite. Where the Maori saw humans as dependent on supernatural powers in order to reproduce themselves, here, it’s if anything the other way around.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Jul 11 2022 18:33 utc | 57

Posted by: Ed Nelson Jul 11 2022 17:53 utc

"It is hard for me to believe that the Russian Military has NO contingency plans to deal with them"

My thoughts exactly!
But the reality looks somewhat different.....
What about modern warefare?
Russian strategy and tactics reminds me first world war.
For the Ukr army it is a gift from god to fight the war with artillery and trench warfare.
Russian MoD have not produced any really convincing results so far.
A real russian plan could not be seen with naked eye.

Its not pessimism rather realism
The pessimist is the realist. A thoughtful person cannot actually exist without a portion of pessimism.

Posted by: Chessmaster | Jul 11 2022 18:48 utc | 58

Posted by: DutchZ | Jul 11 2022 17:16 utc |

It was French Caesars that were sold not US HIMARS. And there are reports from today that the HIMARS have been effective because the Ukrainians fire a salvo of lesser missiles to get chewed up by air defenses and then HIMARS are launched right after. I don’t know what the solution to that is or if there is one.

They have hit ammo dumps and command posts, but the volume of ammo coming in means that those strikes are probably no more than a significant annoyance. The problem for the Ukrops is that once they’re found, the replacement rate won’t exceed the destruction rate. Nor can the US actually afford an accelerated replacement rate. So it’s temporary in any case. Sladkov has a point, and his perspective is the guys in the field. Girkin is just a doomer. The people in the kremlin have multiple considerations that must be balanced.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 11 2022 18:49 utc | 59

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 11 2022 18:22 utc | 51

Most people confuse Piracy and Capitalism, including every successful capitalist ...
Watch again "Pirates of the Carribeans" ...

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 11 2022 18:51 utc | 60

@Nico | Jul 11 2022 17:23 utc | 36

Once war has been declared, flatten Kiev after after a 24h notice to evacuate. Just for starters...
That would be the US American way, minus the 24h notice. The Russians operate by different rules.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 11 2022 18:53 utc | 61

As of 2021 from a google search, the active US Army and Marines number 700K (500K Army, and 2000 Marines). Scott Ritter noted that Ukraine has asked for 1,000 artillery pieces.
He claims this number is greater than the combined artillery pieces of US Marines and Army. Million strong Ukrainian army??

As for HIMARS. The pro-Ukrainian propaganda sites I have read are all pushing how effective the HIMARS have proven to be destroying ammo depot after ammo depot. Soon the Russians will run out of ammo. It seems the Russians cannot do anything to stop the rockets. Have no idea what makes the HIMARS so magically immune to counter attack and long range attacks. After all, the Russians have destroyed 700+ multiple rocket launchers so far. Seems like a matter of time that they are all destroyed.

Posted by: Erelis | Jul 11 2022 18:58 utc | 62

I have started a VK account to post the MoD biolab briefings.
First one March 7 is here. https://vk.com/im?sel=c2

Machine translation of the brief with links to Russian MOD and where I found it at a news site.
At the bottom is an attached pdf file. Looks to be very slow loading if opened in VK but can also be downloaded. The file came from Russian MOD yandex cloud site that was linked in their telegram account.
That contains a lot of material - maps of migration patterns and so forth plus a map of biolab sites in Ukraine minus the ones in the current area of operations.

Let me know how it comes up way I have set it out. Not sure on how to make it open up to full page as with pieces in karlof1's account.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 19:00 utc | 63

"Nearly all big mainstream media currently provide 'live updates' of the war in Ukraine."

Actually, none of the western mainstream media provide 'live updates,' but provide created news reports, for the gullible in the west. No one in Russia, or friendly countries gives a tuppence to those 'live updates.' I've seen a vid of a shirtless guy been "pulled" out of rubble in this Chasiv Yar rubble, but he didn't have scratch on his body, or blood... Here's one of the vid with that guy...https://youtu.be/yC--176qsRQ?t=89

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 19:06 utc | 64

Seems like the Russian army has no answer to HIMARS etc. The way I see it developing, after the Kerch Bridge goes down, the war will turn. China won't help them, they are mercantilist. After Russia is beaten, everybody will say, look at this horrible war, let's cancel the new cold war with China. The Russian Federation might be the sacrificial lamb for the birth of the new world.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2022 19:06 utc | 65

All ill are atributed to USA as it is the leading player. But EU is alsou very prone to propoganda and lies.

Lets see Index Of Democraty by US gov financed NGO 'Freedom House'. By their research there are 2 non-democratic countries in EU, Poland and Hungary. (There are even greater democracy abuses in EU than in these, say Latvia, Estonia have 15% population being non-citizens, mostly russians and ukrainians.) This is just a foreign relation index. Poland and Hungary have tough relations with Brussels unlike agreeble Latvia and Estonia. But Poland have prety good relations with USA conservative wing. Hence it must be fabricated by EU not USA.

'Butcha provocation' could be special operation of Great Britain. At least russian sources sayd that it was british special (PR) operation. This propoganda technology alredy had been elaborated during middle east conflicts.
Britain have no imperalistic conflict with Russia over geopolitics. It's just pure psychology of elites.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 11 2022 19:10 utc | 66

@Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 19:00 utc | 63

I requires me to sign in. Should I be able to read it without a VK account?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 11 2022 19:10 utc | 67

Well, Ze still has a film production company...😏

If 4 Iskandrs had struck that building, will it still stand?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 19:13 utc | 68

Did any one see the latest drivel coming out of the western mouth pieces? This time from the pollak Lech Walensa. Well apparently old dusty Lech was reeled out of his nursing home to say that the Russians need to overthrow Putin and the west needs to depopulate Russia by about 100 million citizens. OK, who takes over if the Russians (which they won't the man has 80% + approval rating in Russia) overthrew Putin. Medvedev? Putin is a dove compared to the next in line, The west would hate that. Let's the depopulation thing shall we. That seems to be a big talking point from the west (pfizer vaccine etc...) I have a hard time believing that anyone except the insulated douche hats in the west would actually agree with any of this. The west gets more insane and as they do they try to race to see who can become even insaner. Let's hope these pieces of human fecal matters are overthrown before this whole thing goes nuclear.
The man is clearly retarded but what would we expect from a degenerate Pollack who thinks he single handily over threw the USSR. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/former-polish-leader-lech-walesa-calls-reduce-russias-population

Posted by: Craig | Jul 11 2022 19:22 utc | 69

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 19:00 utc | 63

That link goes to VK messenger, not to your home page.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 11 2022 19:24 utc | 70

Norwegian | Jul 11 2022 19:10 utc | 67

I will have to check it out. Must be a function there to allow anyone to read it without signing in.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 19:25 utc | 71

Since April 23, Ru MOD briefings report shooting down a total of 190 Smerch MLRS missiles, 204 Uragan MLRS missiles and 111 unidentified mlrs/MLRS missile (just that, reports in both lower and upper case.)
21 MLRS in week 21-27 April, these cannot have been from HIMARS. 86 MLRS were reported shot down from June 23 to 6 July, some of these are likely from HIMARS. In the same period, 37 Uragan were reported shot down.

UKR appears to be running out of Smerch, 5 were shot down on 10 July, the first since 9 June.

HIMARS/M270 M30&M31 missiles are written of as if they are silver bullets, but how much, if any, more accurate are they than the Russian Smerch missile which have about 10% longer range and a two-and-a-half times bigger warhead? Ukraine had 75+ BM-30 Smerch MLRS on Feb 23. They may have a few launchers left, but it looks like they have very few missiles left.
One 6 missile HIMARS salvo will put 545kg of explosives on target. Compare this with the 2,910 kg a 12 missile salvo from a BM-30 Smerch will put on target.

HIMARS are all hype. The 8 HIMARS supplied don't add up to 2 BM-30 Smerch.


Posted by: ltexpat | Jul 11 2022 19:28 utc | 72

@60 It's easy to confuse Piracy with Capitalism.

Pirates of the Caribbean.....

Budget Total (5 films):
$1.274–1.364 billion
Box office Total (5 films):
$4.524 billion

It's also a very popular ride at Disneyland...another Capitalist venture.


Posted by: dh | Jul 11 2022 19:31 utc | 73

Seems like the Russian army has no answer to HIMARS etc. The way I see it developing, after the Kerch Bridge goes down, the war will turn. China won't help them, they are mercantilist. After Russia is beaten, everybody will say, look at this horrible war, let's cancel the new cold war with China. The Russian Federation might be the sacrificial lamb for the birth of the new world.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2022 19:06 utc | 65


- Google says they have analogs of HIMARS, actualy it must be the most advanced development of russian WW2 BM-13 Katyusha. Even if russian analogs could be worst doesn't mean it is wunderwaffe. Alsou ukr first must learn to use it.
- Kerch bridge have military strategic importance of about 0. It will make another ukrainian PR victory and that's all.
- China have their own agenda, it's like USA are deliberately uniting China and Russia. They did not have mutch friendship before. USA had attacks (political) on China and Russia uniting them in alliance.
- I would not want new cold war with China. With economical problems (stock markets felt almoust like in 1870 ! ), electricity crisis, no gas etc that would completely ruin economics of the world.

We will see the new world. But the birth will be very painfull.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 11 2022 19:31 utc | 74

If some American thinks that the US can win this Russian SMO (against the US) in the Ukraine, have look at this. USA is terribly vulnerable to anyone with a submarine with hypersonic missiles, and they don't really have to be nukes.😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 19:33 utc | 75

Russia never claimed 'no civilians were killed'. Instead they claimed to have killed 300 "nationalists".

Russian MoD: High-precision ground-based weapons in the area of the settlement of CHAS YAR of the Donetsk People's Republic destroyed the temporary deployment point of the 118th Brigade of the Territorial Defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As a result of the strike, more than 300 nationalists were killed.

The dormitory building has three parts, each about 15 meters times 15 meters in size. The total floor area is about 3 x 200 m2 x 5 floors = 3000 m2. The south and north wings have collapsed, with only the central section intact. Yesterday I estimated that the collapsed floor area was 2000 m2, but now I see (photo) that half of the northern wing is still standing. The collapsed area is about 1500 square meters. One could easily fit 150 solders in this space, unless they are all high-ranking officers.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 11 2022 19:37 utc | 76

Posted by: Alef | Jul 11 2022 19:10 utc | 66

Poland and Hungary only? Interesting. I wonder why they didn't mention Belarus, not "in Europe"?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 11 2022 19:38 utc | 77

Melaleuca | Jul 11 2022 16:47 utc | 25


I have been roundly criticized by family and friends for suggesting that the USA should deploy its homeless population to replace the human shields used up by the notzees. I was tongue in cheek LOL.

Posted by: countrumford | Jul 11 2022 19:43 utc | 78

Paco | Jul 11 2022 19:24 utc | 70

I must have the wrong app or something because all I've got is messenger.

I found this link and tested it.
https://vk.me/join/VVv9nD1joJGsabz5fHnR8TSzEAXI/AnzcMc=

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 19:43 utc | 79

@ Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 19:43 utc | 79

it also requires one to sign in... thanks for trying..

Posted by: james | Jul 11 2022 19:45 utc | 80

The good old Jew York Times, eminent toilet rag, representing the perspective and interest of the messianic and ethnic supremacist Talmudic Pharisees in their war against Kievan Rus'. Deception, manipulation, maliciousness, vindictiveness, and parasitism are in the Pharisees' DNA, so one must be both wary and skeptical of their claims.

Posted by: Victor | Jul 11 2022 19:45 utc | 81

Peter AU1 @71--

Plug your VK page URL into the URL box under your username and email boxes so we can access your page. Or just enter it as you would any URL into the comment box. As with Paco, what you provided goes directly to messenger for some reason when I click it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2022 19:47 utc | 82

They have to sell US crap to nato members. Erdo did the same, using Syria demo shots as being from Ukr. Ads lasted for months but no one buys them except Ukr. They're crap drones, as we knew from the start. Then weeks of ads for javelins, they destroyed 3-4k tanks, then M777 or whatever UK sent, they were winning the war and zelly's army was close to Moscow. Now himars, another overpriced crap that won't fire more than once. Retards must watch a movie with spit drooling over their empty plate and MSM and online troll farms on forums and social media do that. It's very funny. 70k nazi dead and probably another 200k wounded is the main story. Don't worry, another 30k will come in a batch

Posted by: rk | Jul 11 2022 19:51 utc | 83

How do we know the HIMARS actually are effective?

The same people who told us that Russia was running out of everything in April are touting the effectiveness of this artillery truck. It might be true but the people making the claim are 100% unreliable.

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Long term solution: autonomous drones

1. HIMAR's fire a shell that takes a ballistic trajectory. Even if it is rocket assisted, it still takes a ballistic missile path.

2. The truck moves, thus defeating current counter-batter fire which also fires missiles with a ballistic trajectory.

But what if you could send out autonomous drones towards their last known position. And what if, these drones had basic image processing that recognized the distinctive profile of these HIMARs. These drones could then crash into it setting off an explosion.

The advantage of drones over standard munitions is that they can change their direction during flight.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 11 2022 19:53 utc | 84

sooooo Ukraine is still winning the war without having fired a missile that landed nowhere?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 11 2022 19:54 utc | 85

Even if you don't know Russian, watch this 3 minute video from the Ukrainian side. The main actor is Igor Terekhov, the major of Kharkov, walking around the city today. Look at the faces of everyone in the vid. Do you see anyone angry? Or worried? Or, upset or nervous? Interestingly, everyone speaks Russian, not Ukrainian...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 19:54 utc | 86

Peter AU1 @79--

That goes to the chat you created in messenger. Here's your VK homepage URL, https://vk.com/id739151204

At that page there are no posts yet which means your wall is empty. It was over two years ago when I created my VK page, but I recall posting my profile and some pics before I wrote my first article. You may need to do that to activate your wall. The only other VK pages I've seen like yours are those of newbies who haven't provided any info and might not since they seem more interested in getting fed the articles I other comments I publish.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2022 19:57 utc | 87

Interesting. Well, sort of!

Country 404 has been guilty of telling lies, disinformation, and pure unadulterated propaganda since February 2022. If hacking data is to be believed. The real casualty rate within the AFU during the trash removal operation. Would be figuratively speaking. Pick any number above 70,000.

Both official, visual and unofficial evidence show that Country 404. Is quite willing to murder all natives and fellow citizens. Simply based on their language of self-choice.

Would I believe any official government announcement from, Country 404?

Would I believe any announcement from all western media guilty of selling fake news and pure propaganda since August 1945?

Would I believe the Russians, who have been telling the ugly truth about the west since August 1945? When the western media pitifully claims. Ah, that is pure unadulterated propaganda.

Pick a choice?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jul 11 2022 19:57 utc | 88

Himars: defenseone.com reports June 23, USA HAD delivered 4 Himar alaready and will deliver 4 more
Russia claimed they hade neutralized 2 of these first delivered 4, remaining 2 + the 4 just got delivered = 6 active
USA claims that Russia did not neutralize any Himar, so Ukraine does have 6-8 active, of those 2 are close to Donesk

Posted by: Peter | Jul 11 2022 19:58 utc | 89

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 19:43 utc | 79

That one works, still Messenger, you could post it in your homepage and make it available to all not just the chat guests.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 11 2022 20:00 utc | 90

Poland and Hungary only? Interesting. I wonder why they didn't mention Belarus, not "in Europe"?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 11 2022 19:38 utc | 77

There are at least 2 definitions of "Europe":
1. The European Union, likely the intended use here.
2. The European Continent, west of the Urals/Turkey and North of the Mediterranean. Though why the Urals constitute a hard geographic boundary and the Alps and Himalayas do not has always been a mystery to me.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 11 2022 20:03 utc | 91

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 11 2022 20:03 utc | 91

The number of anglophone UIDs I've encountered over 30 years who cannot identify "Asia Minor" might astound you.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 11 2022 20:07 utc | 92

The Russian problem with the Himar are: they fire multiple rockets with autonom path finding, Stategy s fire and move away and hide, and althougth the Himar are easy to destroy, Russin can not detect them easy and need to attack them in a short time window. Otherweise the attack fails.

Posted by: Peter | Jul 11 2022 20:07 utc | 93

And, look at the unscathed girls "saved" from damaged building "after" a missile attack in Kharkov, https://youtu.be/N8Et30Krb4U?t=54 That's reporting live updates...Further down the vid, you'd see unscathed older women "saved" from the same crushed building...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 20:09 utc | 94

Peter AU1 @79--

I did a search at VK for ukraine biolabs and got lots of hits, many stamped with today's date. Several days ago, the Saker posted a series of Telegram links to Russia's MOD briefings that VK user Thomas Polin posted to his VK wall.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 11 2022 20:10 utc | 95

Powerful explosion in Novaya Kakhovka (Kherson region)
Himars hit again an ammunition depot
sorry but no amount of glossing over can hide that himar fact.

Posted by: Chessmaster | Jul 11 2022 20:16 utc | 96

And, in Chasov Yar, in that building, not a single angled crack toward the window openings from the 'fallen' part of the building. https://youtu.be/3ZZWzMvHHpI?t=32 There should be cracks from the window openings towards the floor slabs, and the window openings should be askew. And, its a brick building...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 20:21 utc | 97

And, all the lintels are intact...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 20:28 utc | 98

Posted by: ostro | Jul 11 2022 19:54 utc | 86

Even if you don't know Russian, watch this 3 minute video from the Ukrainian side. The main actor is Igor Terekhov, the major of Kharkov, walking around the city today. Look at the faces of everyone in the vid. Do you see anyone angry? Or worried? Or, upset or nervous? Interestingly, everyone speaks Russian, not Ukrainian...

The video shows three sites in Kharkov that have been hit by artillery. None of the sites seem to have any military value. The damage is mostly superficial, as if each site had been hit with only one shell. In fact this looks very similar to the random shelling of central Donetsk. Who would do this?

Russians are again within artillery range of Kharkov. It has been claimed that Ukrainian nationalist are randomly shelling Kharkov to make it look like Russia did it. I have seen previous evidence that has caused my to voice similar concerns.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 11 2022 20:32 utc | 99

Paco | Jul 11 2022 20:00 utc | 90

It turns out all I have is messenger. To get full VK app because I'm running windows 7, I had to install another program to run VK phone app in. That's done now I just have to work out how to install the phone vk app.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 11 2022 20:33 utc | 100

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