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July 15, 2022
NYT Continues To Report ‘Strikes On Civilians’ That Somehow Happen To Hit Military Targets

Just last week the New York Times reported of a Russian strike ‘on civilians’ in Chasiv Yar even as its own reporter at the location acknowledged in a detailed separate report that the apartment complex that was hit was mostly housing military forces.

Yesterday a Russian missile strike hit the town of Vinnytsia in western Ukraine.

The New York Times is again lamenting about a damage to civilian buildings even as the main target was obviously a military one.

Strikes on Civilians Deep in Ukraine Show Russia’s Lethal Reach

VINNYTSIA, Ukraine — A volley of missiles hit a shopping center, a dance studio and a wedding hall in central Ukraine on Thursday, killing at least 23 people and setting off a frantic search for dozens more missing in the rubble, in the latest strike to hit civilian targets far from the front line.

Seventy-one people, including three children, were hospitalized after three missiles hit the center of Vinnytsia, a typically sleepy provincial capital, leaving behind a harrowing scene of smoking ruins.

The attack used cruise missiles fired by a Russian submarine in the Black Sea, President Volodymyr Zelensky’s office said. It said three children were among those killed in the strike on Vinnytsia, about 240 miles inland from the coast.

“Every day, Russia destroys the civilian population, kills Ukrainian children, directs rockets at civilian objects,” Mr. Zelensky said. “What is this, if not an open act of terrorism?”

The Times leads its write up with this picture.


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There is a distinctive monument in the picture of a fighter jet flying through some ring and a neoclassic building behind it.

Here is a satellite picture of the area.


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The photographer who took the NYT picture was standing near the top left of the satellite picture and took the photograph towards the mid bottom of the satellite picture. The fighter jet installations that was photographed is marked by Google as ‘Monument in Honor of the Air Force of Ukraine’. The neoclassic building is the U-shaped one on the left marked as the ‘House of Officer’s’.

The NYT even mentions the ‘House of Officers’ but only describes it as a ‘potential target’ and only in the sixth paragraph:

The missiles hit a military officers’ club, a potential target, though one in a densely built-up central neighborhood of the city.

However video taken shortly after the strike shows that The ‘House of Officers’ was completely destroyed and thereby obviously the main target of the attack.


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The video the above picture is clipped from was taken from a car driving on the bottom left road visible in the satellite picture towards the center of it.

While the House of Officers external walls are still standing the roof is gone and one can see through the building.

Here is another picture of it.


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A civilian high rise building that the NYT also pictured is visible on the top of the satellite image labeled ‘Kredo Bank’.


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The building shows no damage from a direct hit by a missile. It had its windows blown out by the shockwave of the explosion at the nearby House of Officers and it is blackened from a fire that had been burning in its lower left part. Here is a video with an overview of the plaza showing the damaged House of Officers and the fire with very dark smoke at the high rise north of it. Here is another one showing the fire. It was reported that 50 cars on a parking lot had also burned there. The shopping center, a dance studio and wedding hall that the NYT laments in its opening paragraph were likely all in the 1st floor of the high rise building. They were not targeted.

Air defense weapons were also fired. They might have caused additional damage:

Ukraine’s national police said three missiles hit an office building and damaged nearby residential buildings in Vinnytsia, which is about 167 miles southwest of the capital, Kyiv.

The missile strike ignited a fire that expanded to engulf 50 cars in an adjacent parking lot. The governor of the Vinnytsia region, Serhiy Borzov, said Ukrainian air defense systems shot down another four missiles over the area.

The ‘office building’ that the Ukraine’s national police claims was hit was in fact the ‘House of Officers’ owned by the Ukrainian military.

There were also an unusual number of people in military clothing helping with the casualties.


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The Times continues to play a shell game when it claims hits ‘on civilians’ even as the targets are clearly military ones:

The strike came amid other recent attacks on populated civilian areas.

And in the eastern village of Chasiv Yar, in Donetsk, the State Emergency Service said the death toll from a strike on an apartment complex over the weekend had risen to 48, making it one of the deadliest attacks since the war began.

More deadly attacks are happening every day at the front line where Russia artillery takes out any larger grouping of Ukraine’s military.

As for the dead in Chasiv Yar here is again what the Times Carlotta Gall reported from that location:

[A resident of Chasiv Yar village, Oleksandr, 31,] said that about 10 civilians, mostly women on pensions, were living in the building at the time of the strike, but that members of the military had come to lodge there two days earlier.

A Russian strike hit the apartment building. Only 10 civilians were living there, but at least 48 people have died in the strike. 38 of the dead must thus have been ‘members of the military’ who were lodging there. That they did so made the apartment complex a legitimate military target.

Now let’s see what the Russian military claims to have hit in Vinnytsia:

On July 13, Kalibr high-precision sea-based missiles were launched at the House of Officers of the garrison in Vinnitsa.

The facility hosted a conference of the Ukrainian Armed Force command with representatives of foreign armament suppliers aimed at discussing the issues on sending another batch of aircraft, destruction means, as well as on organising the reparation of Ukrainian aircraft.

The attack has resulted in the elimination of the conference participants.

On July 14, shortly after news of the strike in Vinnytsia had come out, the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine issued a new Security Alert – Missile Threat Awareness for U.S. citizens:

Avoid large gatherings and organized events as they may serve as Russian military targets anywhere in Ukraine, including its western regions.

Well, what gave them the idea to say that?

Comments

re JT@63
“…Livestock is the cheapest way to turn low value feed grain and forage into protein. There is lots of land that is fit for nothing else but foraging livestock, and much more ground that cannot support high intensity vegetable production needed to offset the lack of protein from reducing or eliminating livestock,..”
The livestock in question are not grazing on scrub or light pastures. They are being fed grain and hay grown on arable land. You have just demolished a straw man of your own construction.
“…and that is before you wade into a discussion of the merits of organic versus conventional farming, and all you need to know about that is to look into what has befallen Sri Lanka mandating their farmers go organic.”
You are either being dishonest or showing your ignorance. The ban on fertiliser imports by Sri Lanka’s government (now fled into Saudi exile) was a desperate attempt to rationalise its mishandling of the country’s debt. The reference to ‘organic’ agriculture was a silly attempt by the Prime Minister to suggest that there was reason behind the failure to meet obligations.
In fact it is possible and easy to make a transition from the ruinous-fertiliser plus herbicide- agriculture promoted by the IMF etc to organics. It just involves much more labour and the recognition that the real profit from agriculture lies in the support of a healthy, well nourished population.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2022 18:27 utc | 101

The west expects zero civilian casualties in a war waged by others while explaining away all the civilian casualties it produces as “collateral damage”. Collateral damage barely makes the front page of the NYT in aggregate, much less for individual events.
War sucks. It’s stupid and horrible. Even when it can’t reasonably be avoided. The west doesn’t even try to make it less horrible for those trapped in conflict; much of its “strategy” is to make it worse for those people. So if there’s one way Russian actions in this conflict differ from what we accept as the norm, it’s that there is an actual attempt to limit civilian casualties and destruction of civilian infrastructure. It should be clear that if Russia wanted chaos it could plunge Kiev into darkness, destroy transportation, water and communication infrastructure. It doesn’t. That’s a choice.
Under US style rules of engagement with every Ukrainian male being considered potentially part of the military at any time, Russia could start bombing weddings in Lvov and say, “there were ‘nationalists’ there and hence it was a valid military target.” The NYT doesn’t question it but it might write up a human interest story on how the POTUS starts ever day with a “kill list”.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 15 2022 18:27 utc | 102

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 15 2022 17:52 utc | 87
Fuck with the system and they can fuck with you back. Gary Webb comes to mind.
Also Seth Rich, Michael Hastings, Julian Assange. There are many more. Need a virtual wall upon which to record all the names.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 18:33 utc | 103

Germany’s Uniper SE
Posted by: too scents | Jul 15 2022 17:18 utc | 74
ibn following the accidental “nationalization” story, since DE rolled up all Gazprom Gemania subsidiaries 3 months ago, then announced a a euro 10M bail out under new management of missing RUSSIAN GAS supply. Turns out “Germany’s Uniper” isn’t German property either.
Habeck histrionics
Germany Mulls Uniper Bailout to Stem Russian-Gas Contagion

Uniper, the largest buyer of Russian gas in Germany, said it’s discussing a possible increase in state-backed loans or even equity investments to secure liquidity. The crisis could also affect Finland, which controls Uniper’s parent Fortum Oyj. The utility said Uniper’s rescue requires a national effort “in Germany.”
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German Economy Minister Robert Habeck has warned that a squeeze in Russian gas supplies risked creating deeper turmoil, likening the situation to the role of Lehman Brothers in triggering the financial crisis.

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YLE | Finnish minister to negotiate with Germany over Uniper

However, in an interview with STT, Tuppurainen was not particularly warm to the idea that Fortum needed to offer more funding to Uniper, as the Finnish firm already provided 8 billion euros through a financing arrangement.
“This is a very significant support from Fortum to Uniper and shows that Fortum is committed to supporting Uniper’s survival in this gas crisis. However, in the current situation, we, as Fortum’s majority shareholder, do not see any possibility for Fortum to further recapitalise Uniper,” Tutturainen said. Last week, Germany’s Economy Minister Robert Habeck called on Fortum to provide more support to its subsidiary.

Try to act surprised.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 18:39 utc | 104

From the pattern of the blast damage it is possible to see, that one of the warheads exploded in the parking lot between to House of Officers and the KredoBank / Jubileiyny tower. The sheet metal on the arch supporting the MiG-21 is bent outward. There seems to be a small crater where the fire engine throws its shadow. The bodywork of all the cars in the parking lot is bent outward from this point.
Elena Evdokimova has a long Twitter thread on the attack. I do not agree with her conclusion, that the Jubileiyny Tower was hit by a BUK air defense missile.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 15 2022 18:43 utc | 105

@Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 18:12 utc | 95
I find so many otherwise highly intelligent people have blind spots when it comes to an acceptance that humanity is a part of an overall ecology, and that there are limits provided by that ecology that are real and that no amount of human “ingenuity” will help us escape from them. This is the general position of the social sciences (known as eco-modernism) with some groups also outright rejecting the consensus of the scientific community on climate change (anthropogenic climate change deniers). The latter is a hard version of denial, the former is simply a softer version of that same denial (i.e. lots of wind turbines, solar panels and EVs and energy efficiency will magically allow the human economy to keep growing exponentially at 3% per year).
I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s and have not noticed any radical increase in the general happiness and contentment of people in the UK, US and Canada where I have resided with the massive growth in GDP and material use since that time – quite the opposite for the vast majority.
The nations and groups that have benefitted the most from the use of the Earth’s natural resources need to create space for others to raise their living standards to an acceptable level. That’s called degrowth and convergence, the rich countries become less rich and the poor countries become less poor. Within the richer nations that would require a return to the income and wealth distributions of the 1960s and the removal of vastly excessive consumption, and the removal of oligarchy and oligopoly.
The hard and soft versions of denial stop any discussion of this reality, and the fundamental changes required to deal with it – which are really hegemonic discourses to protect the 1% against a questioning of their wealth and impacts. Treating climate change as the #1 priority would also provide deep questions about the massive expenditures of wealth and fossil fuels on military bases and imperialist dominance, and the neo-colonial and colonial control that the Western elites have and still utilize to allow them to use up so much of the atmospheric greenhouse gas budget.
Therefore we continue to drive full throttle to the crisis point at which no one will be able to deny climate change, and disaster capitalism will take full advantage to foist upon the general population huge money making ventures for the fossil fuel, mining and financial industries, many of which will be ridiculous boondoggles, such as the “carbon capture” scam (huge amounts of drilling, piping and compressing) and the mining and crushing of vast amounts of igneous rocks to spread across the land to capture CO2 and de-acidify the oceans. On top of that there will “cloud brightening” and atmospheric aerosol-based sun blocking. A colleague of mine recently attended an international conference on these very subjects, designed to start the planning for the management of such geo-engineering attempts given the overshooting of the 1.5 and 2 degree limits by 2040 at the latest.
I live frugally, and through research attempt to critique and undermine the social sciences consensus and support and take part in ecologically-literate parties (although the Canadian Green Party is somewhat illiterate, like many of the so-called green parties). And now and again I expend energy online arguing with climate-deniers, as well as eco-modernists, although I have learnt that is not the best use of my time.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 18:49 utc | 106

@104
Acting Surprised

Posted by: Macpott | Jul 15 2022 18:50 utc | 107

Life is full of surprises. When I awoke this morning never did I imagine I would encounter the following two lines:
Humans could learn a lot from cats.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 15 2022 16:03 utc | 44

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 18:51 utc | 108

Posted by: Down South | Jul 15 2022 18:19 utc | 97
The scientific study cited by Down South makes evident a better strategy than culling cows would be culling Australians:
Our earlier research showed that Australia has a large nitrogen footprint. At up to 47kg of nitrogen per person each year, Australia is far ahead of the US (28kg per person), the second on the leaderboard of per capita reactive nitrogen emissions.
I am sure the Arrernte people would agree.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 18:51 utc | 109

“broadly speaking it takes several kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat”
True, it’s being done that way, but it’s not necessary and it’s not the traditional method. Like it’s been pointed out, I can let a cow graze on one tiny spot of grass that’s otherwise useless, on one day, and lead her to another such spot the next day, to get the nutrients from meat. If you grow soy on those spots, you’ll always stay hungry. And I don’t know if you would admit it, but you’ll certainly know it: soy is produced with combine harvesters, trucks, conveyor belts etc. It’s just as much an industrial process as everything else. And the final product, tofu and so on, is actually even more of a strain on the planet’s resources than meat. Because of additional steps like mixing the soybeans with liquids, heating, filtering, pressing, hauling in piles of magnesium chloride or gypsum and reprocessing them after use.

“meat is too logistically intensive and requires refrigeration”
Right, and your tofu doesn’t require cooling and moves into supermarkets on its own.

My apologies, it’s OT, I know.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jul 15 2022 18:56 utc | 110

The head of state dismissed Yuri Borisov from the post of Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation.
The President dismissed Dmitry Rogozin from the post of Director General of the state corporation Roscosmos.
Vladimir Putin appointed Yury Borisov CEO of Roscosmos State Corporation.

Most probably Dmitry Rogozin may be entrusted with the management of the liberated Ukrainian territories.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 18:57 utc | 111

Again news that a MLRS 270 system has been delivered to Ukraine. I do not understand why Russia let’s this happen. Can anyone with a proper background explain how and why such weapons get to the frontline? After all, such a truck is too big to go unnoticed by satellites etc. If this continues to happen, think the general mood here about the outcome is way too optimistic.

Posted by: RationalPeacekeeper | Jul 15 2022 18:59 utc | 112

… In parallel with the action with Spain, farmers’ protests are taking place in the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Poland..

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 15:45 utc | 32

Just as the illiberal turn of the Zelensky government has been exploited to permit the otherwise impossible acquisition of Ukraine’s productive farmland, so the growing, multifaceted, EU-wide farming crisis will undoubtedly be exploited to facilitate otherwise impossible land acquisitions within the EU, converging ever closer to a single-owner model.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 15 2022 19:00 utc | 113

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 18:49 utc | 106
I have learnt that is not the best use of my time.
I would disagree.
Turning a supertanker 180 degrees requires about 100 square miles of ocean. Turning around the trajectory of the Anthrosphere is beyond my knowledge of number and area.
We are all reduced to becoming Quixotes tilting at windmills.
Keep up the battle.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 19:02 utc | 114

@c1ue, #2:
In the 60’s, the 48 million out of 250 million tuned in to the primetime news programs to watch the news, usually attentively. Today, the 28 million out of the 330 million don’t tune-in to watch the news; the TVs are just on at the pubs they’re in, or in their living/bed rooms; or in the airport waiting rooms flashing propaganda to zombies. No, people in the West in general don’t watch news these days, give them credits for that. Only the exceptionally stupid people still do.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 15 2022 19:04 utc | 115

Sushi | Jul 15 2022 18:51 utc | 109
Anyone wants to cull me, I will give a savagely inebriated response. I will fight to the end and go down drinking.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 19:06 utc | 116

zero civilian casualties in a war
Posted by: Lex | Jul 15 2022 18:27 utc | 102
Yes, coupled to ludicrous depictions of error-free, raceless, and sexless civilized war heroics.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 19:12 utc | 117

Russian language TASS published an article about the Duma’s extraordinary session held today which amounted to usual business with only the following related to the SMO:

The State Duma approved a law on assigning the status of a combat veteran to border guards who repelled the invasion of the territory of Russia during the operation in Ukraine.
As explained by the Speaker of the House Vyacheslav Volodin, this status will be able to be obtained by those who performed tasks on the Russian-Ukrainian border and border areas adjacent to the zone of special military operation.

TASS also reported that Dmitry Rogozin resigned as head of Roscosmos:

“No, in no case, this is not connected with any claims, everything is normal there,” the Kremlin spokesman answered the question whether the change in the head of Roscosmos means the presence of complaints about Rogozin’s work in this post.
“Rogozin will be employed in a timely manner, will go to a new job. We will also inform about this in a timely manner,” Peskov said.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 15 2022 19:13 utc | 118

Posted by: Macpott | Jul 15 2022 18:50 utc | 107
LLLOL!

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 19:14 utc | 119

Re: The “news” –
Personal anecdotal perspective based on public experience is that Fox News is generally blaring non-stop at most airports and exercise gyms, with CNN beginning to appear more often during Russiagate and post-Trump’s election.
In-home viewing is generally set to whichever station that preaches to whatever ideological choir one belongs to.
Of course in both cases, Noam Chomsky’s adage applies. Nothing too far outside of the establishment perspective is ever presented and on foreign policy it almost always leans right (neolib/neocon) and pro-war. I can’t think of an ideologically left leaning anti-war equivalent to, say, OANN or Fox and even the so-called liberal MSM refuses to allow anti-war voices or anyone too far from the left, unless they’re being set up or ridiculed. Rather than hearing any sane, sober lefty or anti-war voices on cable or over the air for the past 6 years (when they are most needed), we get non-stop Trump “scandal” coverage and Russophobe/anti-China propaganda. Hmmmm….

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 19:15 utc | 120

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 19:15 utc | 120
And how could I have forgotten…COVID COVID COVID COVID until Biden was elected and Russia’s MTO, at which point it slipped way down and off the front page.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 19:17 utc | 121

karlof1 | Jul 15 2022 19:13 utc | 118
Rogozin moving to the counsel of elders?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 19:24 utc | 122

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 16:39 utc | 54
Real people embody this through open emptiness, even easiness, clear cleanness, flexible yielding, unadulterated purity, and plain simplicity, not getting mixed up in things. Their perfect virtue is the Way of heaven and earth, so they are called real people.
Hmm… ‘clear cleanness’…
“Clear cleanness, flexible yielding, unadulterated purity and plain simplicity: such are the virtues my son and I most prize in our choicest courtisans.” Joe Tzu

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 19:25 utc | 123

converging ever closer to a single-owner model.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 15 2022 19:00 utc | 113
I wonder how much EU farmland Bill Gates has his beady little eyes on.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 19:26 utc | 124

@English Outsider, #92:
If the Ukrainian military was indeed tipped off on the pending missile attack, then civilians were not being tipped for obvious reason. The reason? Joe Tzu wants the news headline that says Russians kill Ukraine civilians.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 15 2022 19:27 utc | 125

The US changed the travel advisory to level 4 a day before the strike on Vinnytsia. Military Channel also points out the US is evacuating its Kiev embassy again which suggests the US preparing to turn down any Russian peace offer.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 15 2022 19:30 utc | 126

@41
agree! from my experience, 90+% americans must have soaked up that wallpaper news, bc they do NOT allow discussion (can lose your job even) and they are full on putin brutal madman, we freedom lovers.
some may be just keeping quiet, like me, so the percentage could go down. ones that are starting to disagree are mostly bc it’s hurting their pocketbook. you notice on rt interviews they never say sanctions. makes me feel sorry for the state of our education that people accept what is told them and don’t question.
and now there is going to be warnings on students’ ipads that they use to learn on–they got them in covid and now schools continue to use them–warnings on what they should read. probably blocking, too.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jul 15 2022 19:30 utc | 127

@Roger | Jul 15 2022 18:49 utc | 106
I am sorry, but your word salad is not proving anything other than you being convinced of something. The fact that you have an angry reaction to being told your conviction is not science does not make it right. And it is off topic in this thread.
You raise political arguments. I grew up in the same period as you and my experience is maybe similar, and I can identify with some of the things you say and some of the goals. But none of those things you say are in any way evidence to support a particular view of science, they are political expressions of opinion.
I am glad to see you recognise “carbon capture” as a scam because it is. In this video from 2007 (Norwegian Language) a well known political figure called Jens Stoltenberg announces “The Norwegian Moon Landing” which was nothing else than a giant carbn capture scam of billions of $ to enrich the already rich, and it was all based on “climate science” (Btw., the clip starts with zooming in to the government building that was bombed in 2011, an event where he played a central role).

And now and again I expend energy online arguing with climate-deniers

Well, then you don’t argue with me, because I do not deny we have a climate. We have a dynamic climate that has existed for millions of years and has given us ice ages and warm periods long before and also after the industrial revolution. The mechanisms are gravitational (Milankovitch cycles), Solar (the sun is a variable star) and sometimes also cataclysmic events in the form of asteroid and comet impacts such as the impact that hit the Laurentide Ice sheet over North America only 12900 years ago causing the Younger Dryas -15C cooling event that lasted 1200 years and led to megafauna extinction. Younger Dryas is well known to climate scientists.
Now let’s concentrate on what we can agree on and what this thread is about, the events in Ukraine. In my opinion, the science scammers and the people behind western warfare are two sides of the same coin.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 19:30 utc | 128

i mean Military Summary

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 15 2022 19:31 utc | 129

Only the exceptionally stupid people still do.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 15 2022 19:04 utc | 115
c’mon now, How did you arrive at that conclusion without, ahem, reading or watching “The News”?
New York Yella Cake -100: July 15, 1922: My voice is too feeble to be heard, so I used the gun
dead to every YT channel “influencer” recording smack talk with their YT channel influencer buddies.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 19:31 utc | 130

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 15 2022 16:42 utc | 57
“Regardless, the proposition that arable land is too precious to waste on growing food for regular human beings is a fundamental tenet of imperial globalism.”
It’s also the sort of unadulterated bovine excrement that leads to stress, riots, poverty, outrage, societal dysfunction, revolutions, depressions and even Holodomors.
I am amazed at how few people seem to understand what is going on, namely a deliberate take-down of ‘normal’ society. Flimsy logics like this nitrogen / climate change one are used to justify was would otherwise rightly be perceived as an extraordinary reckless thing to do: we are facing economic decline, energy shortages, fertilizer shortages, crop shortages so let’s reduce meat production by 30% boys!!
Now: maybe they have no choice because they can’t grow grass on their lifeless Big Ag soil in Holland any more – no wait: they don’t use grass in Big Ag Holland except maybe for some dairy cows (perhaps) – so maybe they can’t feed the livestock from bags because their supplies have run out. That’s a fair – if lamentable reason showing execrably bad leadership which should get those responsible beheaded forthwith! – but this climate change logic in the face of widespread hardship:
how is it that so many people just accept this stuff?
Unbelievable!!!
We are a STOOPID species and deserve to die!!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 19:32 utc | 131

‘Robbed of the most precious thing’: Missile kills Liza, 4 (years old)
Title of AP Story (Expose) today. The story goes on and one with lots of photos of mostly military men laying flowers and children’s stuffed animals in and around the jet statute that honors the Ukrainian Air Force. The AP article says that;
“After the Russian missile strike, Ukraine’s emergency services shared photos showing her lifeless body on the ground next to her blood-stained stroller. The videos and photos have gone viral, the latest images and stories from the brutal war in Ukraine to horrify the world.”
Not a word about the site being a military owned office, i.e. a legitimate target or how many Ukrainian service men and women may have perished it the attack. I guess that would be letting the cat out of the bag.
The loss of innocent life is always a terrible thing, but I don’t recall ever seeing a Western MSM expose of this kind done for the children killed in the Donbass Region; not during the SMO or during the eight years before that. I suppose that for Westerners the children of the Donbass are not precious things.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 15 2022 19:34 utc | 132

No, people in the West in general don’t watch news these days, give them credits for that. Only the exceptionally stupid people still do.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jul 15 2022 19:04 utc | 115
Also the ‘well-adjusted’ and ‘highly educated’ people, which may very well be the same group.

Posted by: Pagan | Jul 15 2022 19:36 utc | 133

I’d prefer if the US military would downsize their world leading pollution spewing first before you ask me to give up meat and eat factory farmed soybeans and related value added products.
(Note wars add other countries military spewing to the mix.)
Having supplemented my protein sources with hummus and other legumes for decades, I don’t need the climate/nutrition police lording over me.
And don’t get me started on cheap imported shit, much of it plastic, that people can’t seem to decline buying. Another tragic stain on humanity that pollutes daily.
One more, the SW US has had droughts on and off for centuries.
My solution? If you are going to buy cheap plastic shit and support the US military, No Meat For You!

Posted by: 44Cadillac | Jul 15 2022 19:36 utc | 134

Paul Greenwood @43
It sounds like you may have lost friends or family in Dresden in which case I’m sorry for your loss, but don’t you think it’s been a long time since then and it’s okay to stop being bitter about it?

Posted by: aquileia | Jul 15 2022 19:39 utc | 135

Posted by: JT | Jul 15 2022 16:55 utc | 63
“and all you need to know about that is to look into what has befallen Sri Lanka mandating their farmers go organic.”
Am no farmer or expert but do know that if you go from ‘conventional’ (aka ‘corporation-driven’) to ‘organic’ (aka true conventional!) and don’t first spend a year or three reviving the soil, then you are setting yourself up for disaster.
That said, I would be curious to know why it effected their tea plants so much: maybe absence of pesticides? That too takes time because plants have to learn how to fight the insects off again.
Strange though, there is a huge movement in India away from Big Ag practices and many of them get superior yields. They should have worked with those experts up there who have ‘been there and done that’ already…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 19:40 utc | 136

Returning to the subject of the thread …
Why would anyone be surprised at the level of lies told by a mainstream media owned by a handful of massive profit-maximizing conglomerates that are in bed with Western state organizations (or in some cases owned by the latter)? Their function is to fully support and continue the capitalist elite hegemonic discourse that identifies nations that do not prostrate themselves to Western elite exploitation as “autocratic and illiberal” enemies that do not deserve the respect of “civilized” Western nations. Such enemies must be shown in the most negative light, and the official “allies” show in a positive light – no matter how egregious the latter’s actions are.
Today we see the US President cavorting with a known war criminal (Yemen), US journalist murderer (Kashoggi), and torturer in Saudi Arabia – there will be limited genteel “tut tut” type criticism in the MSM but also much more about how the alliance with this US ally needs to be supported – including giving them the weapons to murder Yemeni freedom fighters and civilians. As China is criticized for a fake Uighur genocide, the murder and torture of Moslems by the West in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria and Somalia go unmentioned. As Russia is accused of being autocratic and engaging in aggressive war, the all encompassing surveillance of US citizens and the lawlessness of the FBI etc., are ignored. As are the West’s numerous aggressive wars and the extensive drone and covert murder programs
As Hudson identifies (and van der Pijls etc.), this is the Western capitalist elite in an all out fight to stop the removal of the multi-hundred year Western dominance and exploitation of the rest of the world. No amount of lies are too much, and no amount of suffering (to others, and preferably not US citizens masse given experience of Vietnam) too much. That that elite is increasingly incompetent, and has hollowed out their own economies extensively for short-term profit, only makes the propaganda even more desperate. Especially with Western economies tottering on the brink.
If COVID was the invisible enemy used to hide the elite bailout last time, it needs to be Russia (and perhaps China and Fu Manchu also, and the nasty Persians) this time especially as the population experiences some real suffering this winter in Europe. The elites will ladle on the propaganda in increasing dollops, changing tactics but not strategies, until it stops working. Zelensky may be toppled, the Russians may get to the Dnieper (so close to the Elbe!) and Slavic stereotypes of Russian Bears, Putin the Devil, and Hordes advancing across the steppe toward the cradle of civilization will be utilized. Climbing down and actually dealing with Russia and China as equal sovereign nations is far too dangerous for the elite – both to all their extractive games in other nations and to their remaining legitimacy at home.
The end game is a Soviet-level of political autocracy and censorship in the West, backed up by extensive surveillance, propaganda and a militarized internal security apparatus – are we really that far away from that already? As long as you “stay in your lane” everything seems fine but deviate too much and things get ugly quickly. Very much a feeling of an intensified 1950s Cold War mindset with much better surveillance technology and so much being said online rather than verbally in groups. The other much less probable possibility is a retreat/collapse of the elites and more real democracy and less war-mongering.
The disconnect between the reality that seeps into Moon of Alabama and the MSM will become even more extreme, together with the number of paid-for trolls and possible attacks on the hosting services of this site, both technical and legal, as well as media attacks upon B and other such individuals that have already started (e.g. against Vanessa Beeley).
As Chomsky put it, Western “democracy” cannot exist without secrets and lies: Secrets, Lies and Democracy. Something that Mike Pompeo readily agreed with We lie, cheat and steal.
If US/Western military personnel and/or contractor personnel were killed in the missile attack it sends a message of “consequences” to the West, which seems to have been registered given the US advice to US citizens to either get out of Ukraine or take much more care. Its about time…
Now I see that the Ukrainian Defence minister is saying that the Western journalists simply misunderstood his words about a million man army and an offensive in August. The propaganda will have to be updated, soon it will be all about the plucky Ukrainian fighting against enormous odds to keep at bay the Russian Bear at the Kramatorsk line. Nothing about the local population welcoming their liberators from the Ukie-nationalist-right-Nazi hell that they have been under since 2014.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 19:42 utc | 137

The relatives of people missing after Thursday’s missile strikes on the central Ukrainian town of Vinnytsia have submitted DNA samples to help officials identify the dead…

CNN
Interesting how the relatives know who might be missing…

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 19:44 utc | 138

Huntley and Brinkley: Ring any bells here? “Trusted sources” Reasoner LOL Jennings and Baba Wawa?
How about Hawaian Punch?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 19:45 utc | 139

The demented One is speaking live in Saudi now…

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 19:50 utc | 140

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 17:38 utc | 81
“That’s totally worth starving tens to hundreds of millions of people…/sarc”
Because you are a decent chap, c1ue, you lack the ability to conceive of the evil we are facing because you have ignored the most important calculus staring you in the face viz anthro climate change, namely:
Yourself! And myself! And each and every one of us. It’s quite simple: come up with various reasons to reduce food; blow up food processing plants and trains with fertilizer whilst you are at it; spread an immune-system compromizing genetic modification substance in as many bloodstreams as possible; put some of it in ticks whilst you are at it because they bite the sleeping birds who fly to Moscow and bite the sleeping Russians – some even fly as far as Vladivostock, even better!
The point being that if we can reduce the human population by, say, 50% in, say, 50 years, then the livestock population goes way down too – especially once we get the lower orders eating bugs (I have a patented tarantula shaving and de-limbing robot patent pending btw) – THAT is what is going to reduce greenhouse gas adulteration by the greatest polluting organism there is: us.
It’s just science.
There’s no arguing with it.
We all have to get with the program.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 19:52 utc | 141

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 18:57 utc | 111

Most probably Dmitry Rogozin may be entrusted with the management of the liberated Ukrainian territories.

“Next time I’ll be flying a Tupolev Tu-160”
–– Dmitry Rogozin in 2014, after being prevented from flying home from Transnistria.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 15 2022 19:53 utc | 142

The demented One just said he didn’t come to meet MbS, but to the summit…oh boy!

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 19:54 utc | 143

@pretzel-attack #90
Still content free ad hominem.
Always nice to see an utter lack of credibility in action.
Stick to Twitter.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 19:57 utc | 144

I wonder how much EU farmland Bill Gates has his beady little eyes on.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 19:26 utc | 124

That meme always makes me chuckle. Bill Gates’ 270,000 acres of farmland is only 0.03% of the roughly 900,000,000 total acres of US Farmland.
Compare that to the dominant shareholder position that Gates/Buffet have of US and Canadian Railroads, which are critical to both ends of the farm supply chains.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 19:59 utc | 145

Posted by: olhippie | Jul 15 2022 15:53 utc | 36
People know it’s propaganda, oldhippie. That’s why I don’t watch it. I’m surprised that many do, actually. You can’t have it both ways – either they are glued to the telly absorbing all the fake news … or they are not. Means they are smart, not dumb.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 15 2022 20:01 utc | 146

Vinnytsia was the site of the easternmost of Hitler’s war headquarters, Wehrwolf, where he stayed three times in 1942-3, including one period of several months in 1942.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 15 2022 20:03 utc | 147

@Norwegian #128
It is really a waste of time.
Notice how these so called proponents of science can never actually respond to details. This is what I call the “science-y” limousine liberal method: so long as some purported scientist says what they want to hear, it is science but any disagreement – even by scientists – is propaganda.
Roger pretends to be a climate scientist but wo y even respond to a specific question in exactly how much does nitrous oxide actually affect future temperatures according to his so-called consensus science

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 20:04 utc | 148

The promiscuous way westerners use soy as a staple causes it to function as an endocrine disruptor just like synthetic pesticides.
Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 15 2022 18:19 utc | 98
Would appreciate links to peer-reviewed studies on this, perhaps in the next Open Thread. (Sorry, b, not sure how we got so far off-topic!)

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 20:04 utc | 149

@Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 19:52 utc | 141

The point being that if we can reduce the human population by, say, 50% in, say, 50 years, then the livestock population goes way down too – especially once we get the lower orders eating bugs

Here is someone important on video that shares an even more aggressive goal.
Pfizer CEO: “by 2023 we will reduce the world population by 50%”
“…when we started in ’19, the first week when we met in January of ’19 in California we set up the goals for the next 5 years, and one of them was by 2023 we would reduce the number of people in the world by 50%. I think today, the dream is becoming reality.”
APPLAUSE

This is the kind of madmen we have to deal with.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 20:07 utc | 150

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 15 2022 16:05 utc | 40 & 45.
I want to make three points: First, exactly how do you suppose Russia and its allies are to prove something behind enemy lines? This is especially true if the enemy wants to deny that the target is a legit military target, and the only press allowed to investigate is working for the enemy.
Secondly, despite your ravings and accusations, you know squat. Your comments are emotional, not based on evidence or facts. Your views are a product of your sources as are mine. But I have the advantage of seeing both sides because I give both sides the benefits of doubt, and the US/NATO and western media come up short from my perspective.
Thirdly, you need to make a case for why Russia and its Allies would deliberately fire missiles at civilian targets. Tell us here on this site what advantage that would be to Russia and the SMO.

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 15 2022 20:08 utc | 151

@Scorpion #141
I wish these these numbskulls were truly evil or even competent – at least they would be worthy opponents.
In reality, they are PMC sheep who don’t even understand what they’re propounding.
Incompetence combined with arrogance.
That’s why I don’t worry about it too much – ultimately these dumbasses can’t accomplish anything. The Green New Deal nonsense in Europe past and present has been completely discredited by the reality of their dependence on cheap Russian methane; the similar but slightly difference idiocies in the US are making themselves felt throughout the food and fuel base of the economy now as well.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 20:08 utc | 152

@Carlos Marques “As Luo Siyi (Chongyang Institute, Renmin University, China) recently wrote, the World will only have peace if USAmerica is defeated on the battlefield, first in Ukraine, and then we shall see where else…”
No, not on the battlefield, the USA must get a signifiant damage on their home land. That is the difference to Vietnam. US believing and strategy is to use EU/NATO as battlefield, outside USA, and so they never get touched dramatically.

Posted by: Peter | Jul 15 2022 20:10 utc | 153

PBS | Jul 15 2022 17:40 utc | 82
Not according to this: https://t.me/intelslava/33173?single

Posted by: donten | Jul 15 2022 20:12 utc | 154

@c1ue | Jul 15 2022 20:04 utc | 148

@Norwegian #128
It is really a waste of time.

Yes I know, calling people names is a common and deeply immoral way of saying “shut up” as an alternative to debating the issues. There are many other ways of saying “shut up”, and I have seen most of them.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 20:13 utc | 155

What are we waiting for?
Big oil are not newbies to the inflation (currency devaluation) game. They are obviously front running the Fed/Treasury duopoly and I guarantee their in-house “economists” have a better model of how this inflation cycle plays out than anyone at the Fed, Treasury or Department of Energy. EROI is declining, there is no way future retail consumers will pay less for energy than we have been used to, without subsidy or nationalization.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 18:11 utc | 94

Posted by: donten | Jul 15 2022 20:15 utc | 156

“…although the Canadian Green Party is somewhat illiterate, like many of the so-called green parties..” Roger@106
Illiteracy is the least of its problems.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2022 20:19 utc | 157

EU-wide farming crisis will undoubtedly be exploited to facilitate otherwise impossible land acquisitions within the EU, converging ever closer to a single-owner model.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 15 2022 19:00 utc | 113
It ALWAYS comes down to something like that. Meanwhile, people argue about narratives put in place to divert their attention. As has been mentioned here today several times, ‘otherwise very intelligent people’….
In any case, by the time we figure out what our input to climate variation and cycles is, our technology will have changed, the longer terms cycles may have changed, other things we don’t yet know about may have been figured out and so on. As far as I am concerned, by far our biggest enemy is Bad Money Powers. Get rid of those and lots of other things will fall into place fairly quickly, including sane agricultural practices that will end up being more or less organic because it simply works better when done well.
We can easily feed 70 billion if we cut all the BS and pollution out. End of story.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 20:22 utc | 158

It’s actually not a stupid idea, given that broadly speaking it takes several kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat. This ought to be done somewhat gradually, though, since most people probably don’t want to eat copious amounts of feed corn or soybeans.
Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 52
It’s actually an incredibly stupid idea. There is currently about 45,000 pounds of beef on the hoof in the pasture behind my house currently and they have not consumed a single ounce of grain. Cows turn grass into meat and no grain is required at all.

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jul 15 2022 20:23 utc | 159

What did the demented One expected to achieve by going to Saudi? Talk to MBS and ask about Khashoggi murder? Or, to accuse MBS? Or, to beg for an increase of oil production?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 20:24 utc | 160

… I wonder how much EU farmland Bill Gates has his beady little eyes on.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 19:26 utc | 124

I don’t see any obvious references to Gates buying EU farmland but it’ll be interesting to see if there is a concerted effort to monopolise EU agriculture on the back of what looks to be an almost entirely manufactured crisis.
I find the issue of huge land / farmland acquisitions disturbing because I think it betrays an atavistic, almost recessive mindset on the part of western oligarchy / aristocracy, a descent into the wealth-fantasy of medieval peasantry.
I comfortably predict that these mega-holdings will lead to a new class of tawdry neo-plantation overlord and life-critical resources exploited in the inimitable style of neoliberalism’s creepy, misanthropic filth.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 15 2022 20:27 utc | 161

Larry Johnson thinks Americans are just stupid and ignorant.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 14:16 utc | 2
A relatively simple analysis of the crappy insular/restricted poorly structured school system. Will tell you why it is so!
Basically, it is quite useless.
There is a much superior system. Here it is graded on a strict meritocracy system. A score of f minus is not a passing mark. Unlike the inferior USSA general education system.
Fun fact from the war in the pacific. For all US citizens. In order to follow the Pacific Island Hopping campaign. FDR admin needed to print tens of millions of atlases showing the Pacific Ocean beyond the Hawaiin Islands.
FDR also minted one million purple hearts as well. For the proposed Japanese homeland offensive…
Although, if one has a ‘granddaddy’ by the name of a nazi bankster “Prescott B.”. One can actually graduate from Harvard U., with a score of f minus. As did the man who engineered the ’08 financial meltdown. Havard U is a university well known for accepting cash bribes. This also gives one Like a majority of sons of noted Republican wankers of that era. An exit pass to avoid the Vietnam War draft. The unpatriotic loser ‘Liar in Chief’ called Donald Trump used fake medical records to evade patriotic duty.
Question. Why does California have mandated by law? A minimum education course curriculum. Answer” Because imbeciles and retards insist on homeschooling. Operate with shoddy corrupt lower standards.
.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jul 15 2022 20:29 utc | 162

@Screwdriver | Jul 15 2022 20:23 utc | 159

It’s actually an incredibly stupid idea. There is currently about 45,000 pounds of beef on the hoof in the pasture behind my house currently and they have not consumed a single ounce of grain. Cows turn grass into meat and no grain is required at all.

Exactly right. I live not far from a reasonably sized city, but the farmer next door has plenty of cows eating grass as I write this, I can hear the moooo’s and they tend to bring annoying flies but otherwise they are doing an excellent job turning wild grass into meat. Not a single grain hurt in the process.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 20:30 utc | 163

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 19:42 utc | 137
well, Roger, I gather, Messrs Trump and Pompeo alone are responsible for perverting liberty in the annals of “western civilization” since 1945, but would you care to estimate how many MoA correpsondents have parroted, in their own speshul and idosyncratic fashion, fragments of US American innocence which they envy and Ukraine’s nationalists employ to curry European sympathy, dispensations, and legitimacy in their FIGHT clear the wilderness they inhabit?
Report of the Commission on Unalienable [sic] Rights, 2021

… Among the traditions that formed the American spirit, three stand out. Protestant Christianity, widely practiced by the citizenry at the time, was infused with the beautiful Biblical teachings that every human being is imbued with dignity and bears responsibilities toward fellow human beings, because each is made in the image of God. The civic republican ideal, rooted in classical Rome, stressed that freedom and equality under law depend on an ethical citizenry that embraces the obligations of self-government. And classical liberalism put at the front and center of politics the moral premise that human beings are by nature free and equal, which strengthened the political conviction that legitimate government derives from the consent of the governed….

The POTUS 1776 Report, 2021

The United States of America is in most respects a nation like any other. It embraces a people, who inhabit a territory, governed by laws administered by human beings. Like other countries, our country has borders, resources, industries, cities and towns, farms and factories, homes, schools, and houses of worship. And, although a relatively young country, its people have shared a history of common struggle and achievement, from carving communities out of a vast, untamed wilderness, to winning independence and forming a new government, through wars, industrialization, waves of immigration, technological progress, and political change.
In other respects, however, the United States is unusual. It is a republic; that is to say, its government was designed to be directed by the will of the people rather than the wishes of a single individual or a narrow class of elites. Republicanism is an ancient form of government but one uncommon throughout history, in part because of its fragility, which has tended to make republics short-lived….

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 20:34 utc | 164

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 20:07 utc | 150
“This is the kind of madmen we have to deal with.”
Yup. I started off joking but realized halfway through that what I thought were outrageous, obviously over-the-top exaggerations were probably gospel to the psychopaths running our oligarchy. And sure enough, you have a quote handy! (Did you notice the recent story about how some of the Pfizer vax batches are being made by a Chinese-owned subsidiary operating in the US? Endless…)
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 20:08 utc | 152
“That’s why I don’t worry about it too much – ultimately these dumbasses can’t accomplish anything.”
Yes and no. It’s like the thread topic – and other sober debunking articles b’s labors to produce for us: the disinformation is not just about distorting or covering up a particular event. The reason for so many fake stories is they take up time and attention so that people don’t have the time to pay attention to what matters.
Like rarely is the Ukraine farmer-displacement-and-land-grab angle discussed but it probably is a big part of what was going on there. And oldhippie and someone else pointed out that the nitrogen-reduction pretext is cover for oligarchic land grab >> control of food supply << private property ownership by individuals << opportunity >> more effed up world and so on.
Many people here think this war will somehow end up cleansing the filthy West and allowing the good and pure to lead the world into a bright new future. I am simply unable to embrace this not having enough historical knowledge of previous success stories, though have heard rumors that occasional periods in the great Asian (and often Buddhist) Empires had extended periods of peace and plenty. Seems to me that war is very destructive during which millions die prematurely often in great pain and for no good reason.
But what do I know?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 20:43 utc | 165

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 19:59 utc | 145
The article I posted was only the most recent I recall on Gates’ farmland purchases, but correct me if I’m wrong: He’s still either the #1 or #2 private owner of farmland in the USA and by all accounts actively looking to buy more. Admittedly, the agribusiness industry owns probably the vast majority, and is a far bigger problem, as are the railroads. Regardless, I was joking because it’s always enjoyable to make fun of Bill Gates.
Neither here nor there, I always think of Joseph Heller’s “Catch-22” when the topic of (subsidized) farmland comes up.

“His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbours sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counselled one and all, and everyone said “Amen.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 20:50 utc | 166

What’s NEW! in forage “farm to fork” methane production …while Ukranian patriots burn fields and destroy harvest equipment.
Sheep graze beneath the solar panels: a winning solution to WHAT PROBLEM?
carrying costs and foregone profit
Solar-powered sheep

Herding sheep among photovoltaic panels is an unintentional positive outcome for the herdsmen. In 2012, the prefecture government began to install China’s first 10 million kilowatt-class solar power generation base in Talatan (Tala sand land). Ten years later, the photovoltaic park there covers an area of 609 square kilometers, which is close to the land area of Singapore.
[…]
Unexpectedly, the grass here has kept growing prolifically, and the photovoltaic panel park has turned into an oasis. “The laying of photovoltaic panels reduces the wind erosion on vegetation. The water we use for daily cleaning of photovoltaic panels infiltrates beneath the surface, which has a certain nourishing effect on the grass,” says Zhu Mingcheng, general manager of the Hainan branch of the Yellow River Hydropower Co.
[…]
“Rather than paying someone to mow the grass, it’s better to let herdsmen put their sheep here,” says Zhu as he recalled his flash of “inspiration” at that time. The park invited the surrounding villagers to raise “photovoltaic sheep”. They built four sheep pens for free, so that the “photovoltaic shepherd” could start their “old business” at zero cost.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 20:52 utc | 167

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 20:22 utc | 158

“We can easily feed 70 billion if we cut
all the BS and pollution out. End of story.”

Any external link to this (IMHO) quite extraordinary figure?

Posted by: LongCovid | Jul 15 2022 20:53 utc | 168

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 19:59 utc | 145
Also, in the case of Bill Gates w/r/t farmland, I think the bigger issue is that he’s buying up land en masse and in the process violating state laws with nobody knowing what he’s actually going to be growing there, whether he’ll be taking government subsidies (as alluded to above) in order to grow (or not grow) whatever crops he plants, etc.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 20:54 utc | 169

“…although the Canadian Green Party is somewhat illiterate, like many of the so-called green parties..” Roger@106
Illiteracy is the least of its problems.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2022 20:19 utc | 157

I was a member of the Canada Greens back in the very early days, late 1970s and early 80s. The last meeting I attended was a full evening discussion of which was better for the environment, natural or artificial christmas trees.
I am convinced the movement was infiltrated by CSIS and RCMP. There is no way even a random sampling of the population could be that obtuse.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 20:55 utc | 170

… As far as I am concerned, by far our biggest enemy is Bad Money Powers. Get rid of those and lots of other things will fall into place fairly quickly, including sane agricultural practices that will end up being more or less organic because it simply works better when done well.
We can easily feed 70 billion if we cut all the BS and pollution out. End of story.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 20:22 utc | 158

100% agreed, especially your conclusion.
Western oligarchy / aristocracy are the grifter filth at the heart of western decline. It is obvious in retrospect, and unavoidable in the present, that their rigging of justice, regulation and government for their own tacky ends has produced a kind of terminal organ failure in western polities.
The west has demographic, structural and even cultural problems but nothing that compares with the destructive meddling of the over-wealthy, thieving and using up everything they can get their hands on, to fund their hidden world of favouritism and barter.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 15 2022 20:59 utc | 171

I dunno about European cattle farming/ranching, but here in the USA, 95% of all cattle are finished or fattened with grains (usually corn, I think).

approximately 95% of the cattle in the United States continue to be finished, or fattened, on grain for the last 160 to 180 days of life (~25 to 30% of their life), on average.

I can sometimes find (allegedly) 100% grass-fed beef at my local grocers, but if I really want it, I’ve got to hit up the farmers market. IIRC, cattle processors and retailers aren’t even required to provide the %s on the label, but that could vary by state?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 15 2022 21:00 utc | 172

Maria Zakharova today, commenting on the demented One in Saudi

American journalists live in a world that was invented for them in the bowels of the US state apparatus. They sincerely believe that Saudi Arabia is the world’s pariah. They were told so, and they repeated it. Now they have been whispered in the State Department that Russia is in isolation. Lords of the Flies who believe that there is no other promised land besides their island. That the iniquity they have created is the truth.

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 21:02 utc | 173

@Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 20:04 utc | 148
Because I know that after much work another such question will be lobbed at me, and on and on. So I won’t waste my time and will return to the topic. It’s the overall load of atmospheric CO2 equivalence that drives climate change, you will find that on the NOAA site that I linked to. The climate is responding as the scientists expected.
I have never said that I am a climate scientist, I study the intersection of geopolitics and climate change and thus had to spend a considerable time educating myself on the geo physics and chemistry involved.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 21:07 utc | 174

@Screwdriver, Norwegian
In the high intensive agriculture in the Netherlands, there’s not enough grassland to feed the cows. They are mainly fed with maize. Maize needs a lot of nitrogen fertilizer to grow which leads to ecological problems like nitrate in the groundwater and dwindling biodiversity.
I’m not saying that the protests are not justified, and the fertilizer argument might just be a pretext to install the WEF agenda. But Holland soil is over-fertilized, no doubt about that.

Posted by: mk | Jul 15 2022 21:08 utc | 175

Any external link to this (IMHO) quite extraordinary figure?
Posted by: LongCovid | Jul 15 2022 20:53 utc | 168
Nope. About 10 years or so had a small artisan bakery business on a low population island in Canada and started reading about organic-related subjects including the then-new bokashi home-fermented composting method and how it – or similar methods – were becoming widespread in certain parts of India, South Korea and Japan. There was also a new way of growing rice whose acronym I never remember (RSI, SRI ??) which keeps outscoring Monsanto year after year and which hundreds of thousands of farmers, I believe, are now using in India. The more you grow that way the healthier the soil becomes so it is truly ‘sustainable’ as are well-managed pasture fields for livestock (barring plagues and droughts etc.). During that reading somewhere that figure was mentioned.
And if you think about it you know it’s basically true. With the huge assumption that you stop using harmful chemicals in agriculture and also stop spewing forth industrial pollution – both of which are entirely doable but require concerted will to do so – then it is quite easy to simply grow about ten times what is being grown now. It’s the pollution that is the problem not the population numbers per se.
Put another way: if we keep doing things the way we are doing them then pretty soon we are going to poison ourselves out of existence. But if we stop polluting – things like chemicals, pesticides and antibiotics in water and soil etc – then the world has virtually limitless capacity to propogate life. I believe anyone who knows about soil life understands this but of course might be wrong!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 21:14 utc | 176

The ‘House of Officers’ mentioned kn NYT spunds öike a military target to me. Quibbling whether there were civilans in a military building is pointless.Besides: In its 1999 Kosovo campaign, NATO considered the Serbian TV building a military tarhet, killing a few employees.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 15 2022 21:16 utc | 177

Meanwhile, there is little to no reporting by the MSM of Ukraine’s steady shelling of civilian targets in Donetsk. It’s a double standard that a child could see. At least the Russians are hitting legitimate military targets. The death of civilians caught in the fire is a tragedy, no matter how one looks at it.

Posted by: Rob | Jul 15 2022 21:19 utc | 178

The U.S. government claimed that Hiroshima was a military target.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 15 2022 21:20 utc | 179

The missile attacks in Dnipro are on the Yuzhmash Machine Building plant, it produces military equipment.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 21:21 utc | 180

100% agreed, especially your conclusion.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 15 2022 20:59 utc | 171
What can I say anon2020? Great minds think alike!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 21:22 utc | 181

Yuzhmash makes ballistic missiles (or satellite launch vehicles, the difference is not much).
Nuclear materials, biological pathogens, and delivery systems have to be primary goals.

Posted by: BillB | Jul 15 2022 21:25 utc | 182

juliania @ 146
We are largely in agreement. People do know it is propaganda. Or lots of them do. When the newsfeed they get is all the same nonsense endlessly repeated they can figure out it is nonsense. But the nonsense is not replaced with anything solid. The news all stinks so they don”t watch it. Now ask opinions of Putin. Find anyone who says he is a man like other men. Find anyone who says he is a politician like other politicians. No, they will all tell you he is a monster. He is irrational and a dictator so there is no hope talking to him. The number of exceptions is very very vanishingly small. And any who disagree are disagreeable and fools. Or worse.
It was not that much better years ago. The MSM has always been propaganda. But network news once gave Stephen Cohen frequent airtime to speak about Russia. He was a regular on CBS. Michael Hudson got airtime talking about economics. The contrary opinion was much less than 1% of the feed, It was there. The curious could follow up. Now all curiosity is strongly discouraged. People who think they have opted out mostly have 100% identical opinion as the indoctrinated. At lower intensity but the same.
Education always was indoctrination. First lesson smart people learn today is any outliers are Satan. Uniform and orthodox views are what holds society together. Dissent is original sin. Smart people know all the fine detail of the narrative. There is no universe outside the narrative.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 15 2022 21:25 utc | 183

EU’s internal divisions laid bare with gas payments to Russia in rubles; bloc faces dual pressure from Moscow, Kiev
About 20 European natural gas buyers have reportedly opened accounts to pay for Russian gas in rubles, which analysts said mirrors a dilemma the bloc is stuck in after echoing the US hegemony call – forcing Brussels to adopt a double-faced approach under which the government cast itself tough yet enterprises take a calibrated way to still do business with Russia.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202205/1265566.shtml

Posted by: Peter | Jul 15 2022 21:26 utc | 184

Also the Ukies seem to have moved a HIMARS near the Russian border at Sumy, and Western satellite surveillance points to attacks on Kursk etc. Seems like another attempt at a media “victory” and to provoke Russia into a bigger response that can be spun as more Russian nastiness and perhaps as an intervention cause célèbre.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 21:32 utc | 185

Large American companies went to great lengths not to miss their profits in the WW2 by supplying Hitler’s Germany. The Minister of Economics of the Third Reich, Hjalmar Schacht, announced in Nuremberg that the owners of the largest American corporations should sit next to him. Naturally, in the West, they prefer not to remember Lend-Lease for the Nazis.
* Oil supplies of 48 thousand tons per month from American Standard Oil to Germany did not stop until 1944, the June landing of the allies in Normandy. It’s funny that German planes on American fuel managed to bomb the Americans and the British themselves during the French campaign.
* The same Standard Oil supplied the OSI countries with synthetic rubber. And in 1943 it sold 25,000 tons of sulfate and 10,000 tons of cotton, used for the production of explosives. Moreover, sulfate was considered a strategic raw material in the United States.
* During the entire war, the Germans did not sink a single Standard Oil tanker.
* The American auto magnate Henry Ford in 1940 refused to produce aircraft engines for Britain, but his branch in France, even after the country was occupied by the Germans, continued to make engines for the Luftwaffe. A branch of the Ford concern in Algeria produced armored vehicles for Rommel’s army. The German branch of Ford produced 50,000 trucks for the Wehrmacht.
* The German company Opel, which during the war produced armored vehicles and engines for the Junkers, de facto belonged to General Motors.
* American companies exploited a loophole in US law that allowed them to trade with enemies during the war, unless prohibited by the US Treasury. And with their level of lobbying, it did not forbid.
Author – sofageopolitics

Posted by: ostro | Jul 15 2022 21:38 utc | 186

This isn’t about media, but it’s about how Russia may still have bought too much into the media-spun liberalism of the West:
The Kremlin Cannot Escape Its Deluded Belief in Dialogue With the West
When the Americans liberalized Russia, they conquered her.
Paul Craig Roberts

The Kremlin’s Liberal Spokesman Says BRICS Not a Substitute for G20, Thus Elevating the West’s policy-making forum Over Russia’s BRICS.
https://sputniknews.com/20220714/kremlin-brics-can-not-replace-g20-1097311824.html
By continuing to supply Russia’s NATO enemies with energy, the Kremlin is throwing away a powerful lever by providing NATO countries the time they need to acquire alternatives to Russian energy, thus minimizing the damage of US sanctions to NATO economies. By failing to use the energy weapon, the Kremlin is the main cause of the expansion of the conflict in Ukraine. It is unprecedented that a country at war helps its enemies keep killing its own troops. Russia’s self-defeating policy encourages more Western provocations. The Kremlin says it doesn’t want war, but its self-defeating policies lead to Armageddon. With the Kremlin showing more concern with protecting its NATO enemies’ economies than for the lives of its own troops, Russia is not taken seriously by the West. Thus, wider war seems inevitable.”
Yes, he has a VERY pointed way of expressing himself, but also yes, he is making a good point.
I suspect he is wrong, but it’s not easy to explain away some of the objections PCR raises. I know I can’t….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 21:40 utc | 187

The US population in the middle of the 60s was 199 million, not 250 million.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 15 2022 21:40 utc | 188

Today, somewhere I came around a comment that there is no Air Force and such “House of Officer’s” in VINNYTSIA, Ukraine.
Well I found a nice article from 13th of July on the airforcemag website:
its about Ukranians and possible F-16 training blabla.
here the link:
https://www.airforcemag.com/ukraine-flies-suicide-missions-with-migs-awaits-u-s-decision-on-f-16-training/
Col. Yuri Ignat, chief spokesperson for the Ukrainian Air Force Command, told Air Force Magazine that Ukraine has at least 30 pilots with sufficient English-language skills ready to travel to the United States for fighter pilot training along with the corresponding engineers and maintenance teams, if a deal can be struck.
“To learn the first stage of takeoff and landing and flying from point A to point B, it will take a few weeks, but to learn how to fight on it, to learn how to use missiles, we will take around six months,” Ignat said by
—> videoconference from Ukraine’s Air Force headquarters in Vinnytsia, Ukraine.
Ups, in Vinnytsia is even the not mentioned Ait Force headquarters.
Btw further on:
Concerns about sufficient runways are misplaced, he said, because Ukraine is flying its military missions out of civilian airports during wartime.
It makes sense, but Im waiting that Western media starts writing that Putin/Russia targets civilian airports-

Posted by: BobRudolf | Jul 15 2022 21:45 utc | 189

It’s the overall load of atmospheric CO2 equivalence that drives climate change, you will find that on the NOAA site that I linked to. The climate is responding as the scientists expected.
I have never said that I am a climate scientist, I study the intersection of geopolitics and climate change and thus had to spend a considerable time educating myself on the geo physics and chemistry involved.
Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 21:07 utc | 174

Any website, like the NOAA website, that manipulates the x-y axis to visually distort the data to generate a 45 degree angle, is a PR/marketing website, not a science website.
As a student at the intersection of science and statistics, you must also know rule #1, that correlation is not causation. There is ample evidence, ice corings for example, that rising CO2 is a lagging indicator of global warming, rather than the cause.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 21:50 utc | 190

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 19:06 utc | 116
🙂
I am with you to the last bottle.
May we stay uncorked and unculled forever.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 22:02 utc | 191

Scorpion @187–
PCR is too wedded to the Outlaw US Empire’s way of destroying civilians to understand Russia’s behavior. As such, he is a very poor military analyst. He’s far better at looking in the mirror and trying to explain why the Empire’s so damned fucked-up. Although, even though he had a front row seat when the process of deindustrialization was ramping up, he still doesn’t understand the crime he participated in. Yes, PCR has a ton of guilt he must somehow atone for so his ego can survive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 15 2022 22:12 utc | 192

To Sam Smith:
thank you for the link to the books site, this is great! I’m using this here for free books:
https://z-lib.org/
Just click on “Books” there (although it says “no working domain found” it works anyway, quite a good resource too).

Posted by: zet | Jul 15 2022 22:16 utc | 193

Has this link been shared here?
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/biden-moves-us-closer-to-confrontation-with-russia/
Stephen Kinzer writes:
“The United States is sinking its flag deeper into European soil. President Biden announced late last month that the American military will soon open a “permanent base” in Poland, deploy two squadrons of F-35 fighter jets to Britain, send more warships to our sprawling base in Spain, and increase our troop strength in Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Instead of promoting diplomacy that could lead to peace, he chose a course guaranteed to increase tensions with Russia at a moment when they are already approaching an all-time high. This brings us one step closer to direct confrontation with another nuclear-armed power.
“Biden and other promoters of this policy — a group that includes virtually everyone in Washington — say it is necessary to counter Russian aggression in Ukraine. In fact, it will have little effect in Ukraine. The true purpose of this American buildup is to threaten and intimidate Russia.
“For complex reasons that are as much psychological as political, many Americans have come to regard Russia as a font of evil. Many in Washington dream of destroying Russia utterly and forever — stripping it of all power and then perhaps breaking it up into smaller states that would submit to American influence….”
The madness is growing. There is a total absence of brains and shame in DC. The end is nigh.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 15 2022 22:20 utc | 194

Grass fed livestock is a straw man. Yes it works, yes it’s the best method (meat isn’t as fatty and some don’t like it as much if finished on grass). But the fact of the matter is that a tiny percentage of western supermarket meat is raised that way. Meat would be far more expensive if the majority of our consumption was grass fed and finished. That’s fine. It’s a reasonable part of environmental solutions, and grazing land becomes a CO2 sink because perennials can be used.
Pigs should eat our food waste. In Seoul you segregate food waste and put it in 55 gallon drums next to the dumpsters. The pig farmers come get it.

Posted by: Lex | Jul 15 2022 22:21 utc | 195

The Vinnitsa and Nikolaev upticks in Russian missiles and bombs are collateral damage from the Ukrainian claims of the Million man army ready to attack Kherson. Naturally, the Russians will adjust their attacks. I am sure that the military officers building mostly housed military officers. The fact western propaganda focuses like a laser on whatever civilians are killed in Ukrainian held areas and totally ignore civilians killed by rockets, including those provided by the yankee regime in various guises, in Russian or Donetsk and Lugansk territories tells us all we need to know.
After weeks of pounding and after a few more victories including the collapse of the Donbas front, I don’t think the Zelenski regime will be able to mount much of an attack, and its destruction and collapse are inevitable. All of the propaganda is pushing Russia towards total elimination of this regime. It will be better than the puppet regime for those unlucky enough to have been living on the wrong side of the artificial frontier created by the “west” during the post Soviet era. Another fact is that the destruction of the puppet Ukraine regime will effectively discredit the western globalist regimes. After the covidfascism fiasco compounded by the Russia fiasco, and the already questionable legitimacy of the western spymaster and propaganda based regimes, this could even be the beginning of the end for them.

Posted by: exiled off mainstree | Jul 15 2022 22:21 utc | 196

I don’t think my education was indoctrination. I studied Classics and ancient history at a Jesuit high school, Princeton, Oxford, and Harvard. A generation or two earlier, the field had been used to excuse imperialism. But by my time, many of the people who taught me were leftists. I think the virtue of such a field is that it can train the mind while there is great freedom in what conclusions one draws. Because it does not concern the current world directly.

Posted by: Lysias | Jul 15 2022 22:22 utc | 197

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 20:08 utc | 152
numbskulls
PMC sheep
dumbasses
Still content free ad hominem.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 20:13 utc | 155
Yes I know, calling people names is a common and deeply immoral way of saying “shut up” as an alternative to debating the issues.
Point to Norwegian.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 22:29 utc | 198

Intel Slava reported this on that strike..
“On July 13, high-precision Kalibr missiles hit the garrison house of officers in Vinnitsa – at that moment a meeting of the command of the Ukrainian Air Force with representatives of foreign arms suppliers was taking place there.
Posted by: circumspect | Jul 15 2022 14:53 utc | 7
I’d LOVE to know who those foreign reps were.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jul 15 2022 22:33 utc | 199

Another excellent Military Summary update – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrI7pEaBCHI
He says that he has two conflicting very reliable sources – one says that the Russians are in Siversk, the other says that the Russians are on the eastern outskirts of Siversk. What is definite is that Ukrainian units are being moved south, retreating “professionally”. The main battle is Soledar, and its accepted that the Russians have moved the front line to Soledar.
The take is that Siversk can be given up because the northern fortifications of the Kramatorsk line are complete, but Bakhmut needs to hold for a while until the fortifications on the southern end of the Kramatorsk line needed to be completed. Once that line gives, its probably a few weeks at best to the Dnieper and the complete collapse of the southern front.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 22:39 utc | 200