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July 15, 2022

NYT Continues To Report 'Strikes On Civilians' That Somehow Happen To Hit Military Targets

Just last week the New York Times reported of a Russian strike 'on civilians' in Chasiv Yar even as its own reporter at the location acknowledged in a detailed separate report that the apartment complex that was hit was mostly housing military forces.

Yesterday a Russian missile strike hit the town of Vinnytsia in western Ukraine.

The New York Times is again lamenting about a damage to civilian buildings even as the main target was obviously a military one.

Strikes on Civilians Deep in Ukraine Show Russia’s Lethal Reach

VINNYTSIA, Ukraine — A volley of missiles hit a shopping center, a dance studio and a wedding hall in central Ukraine on Thursday, killing at least 23 people and setting off a frantic search for dozens more missing in the rubble, in the latest strike to hit civilian targets far from the front line.

Seventy-one people, including three children, were hospitalized after three missiles hit the center of Vinnytsia, a typically sleepy provincial capital, leaving behind a harrowing scene of smoking ruins.

The attack used cruise missiles fired by a Russian submarine in the Black Sea, President Volodymyr Zelensky’s office said. It said three children were among those killed in the strike on Vinnytsia, about 240 miles inland from the coast.

“Every day, Russia destroys the civilian population, kills Ukrainian children, directs rockets at civilian objects,” Mr. Zelensky said. “What is this, if not an open act of terrorism?”

The Times leads its write up with this picture.


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There is a distinctive monument in the picture of a fighter jet flying through some ring and a neoclassic building behind it.

Here is a satellite picture of the area.


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The photographer who took the NYT picture was standing near the top left of the satellite picture and took the photograph towards the mid bottom of the satellite picture. The fighter jet installations that was photographed is marked by Google as 'Monument in Honor of the Air Force of Ukraine'. The neoclassic building is the U-shaped one on the left marked as the 'House of Officer's'.

The NYT even mentions the 'House of Officers' but only describes it as a 'potential target' and only in the sixth paragraph:

The missiles hit a military officers’ club, a potential target, though one in a densely built-up central neighborhood of the city.

However video taken shortly after the strike shows that The 'House of Officers' was completely destroyed and thereby obviously the main target of the attack.


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The video the above picture is clipped from was taken from a car driving on the bottom left road visible in the satellite picture towards the center of it.

While the House of Officers external walls are still standing the roof is gone and one can see through the building.

Here is another picture of it.


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A civilian high rise building that the NYT also pictured is visible on the top of the satellite image labeled 'Kredo Bank'.


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The building shows no damage from a direct hit by a missile. It had its windows blown out by the shockwave of the explosion at the nearby House of Officers and it is blackened from a fire that had been burning in its lower left part. Here is a video with an overview of the plaza showing the damaged House of Officers and the fire with very dark smoke at the high rise north of it. Here is another one showing the fire. It was reported that 50 cars on a parking lot had also burned there. The shopping center, a dance studio and wedding hall that the NYT laments in its opening paragraph were likely all in the 1st floor of the high rise building. They were not targeted.

Air defense weapons were also fired. They might have caused additional damage:

Ukraine's national police said three missiles hit an office building and damaged nearby residential buildings in Vinnytsia, which is about 167 miles southwest of the capital, Kyiv.

The missile strike ignited a fire that expanded to engulf 50 cars in an adjacent parking lot. The governor of the Vinnytsia region, Serhiy Borzov, said Ukrainian air defense systems shot down another four missiles over the area.

The 'office building' that the Ukraine's national police claims was hit was in fact the 'House of Officers' owned by the Ukrainian military.

There were also an unusual number of people in military clothing helping with the casualties.


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The Times continues to play a shell game when it claims hits 'on civilians' even as the targets are clearly military ones:

The strike came amid other recent attacks on populated civilian areas.
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And in the eastern village of Chasiv Yar, in Donetsk, the State Emergency Service said the death toll from a strike on an apartment complex over the weekend had risen to 48, making it one of the deadliest attacks since the war began.

More deadly attacks are happening every day at the front line where Russia artillery takes out any larger grouping of Ukraine's military.

As for the dead in Chasiv Yar here is again what the Times Carlotta Gall reported from that location:

[A resident of Chasiv Yar village, Oleksandr, 31,] said that about 10 civilians, mostly women on pensions, were living in the building at the time of the strike, but that members of the military had come to lodge there two days earlier.

A Russian strike hit the apartment building. Only 10 civilians were living there, but at least 48 people have died in the strike. 38 of the dead must thus have been 'members of the military' who were lodging there. That they did so made the apartment complex a legitimate military target.

Now let's see what the Russian military claims to have hit in Vinnytsia:

On July 13, Kalibr high-precision sea-based missiles were launched at the House of Officers of the garrison in Vinnitsa.

The facility hosted a conference of the Ukrainian Armed Force command with representatives of foreign armament suppliers aimed at discussing the issues on sending another batch of aircraft, destruction means, as well as on organising the reparation of Ukrainian aircraft.

The attack has resulted in the elimination of the conference participants.

On July 14, shortly after news of the strike in Vinnytsia had come out, the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine issued a new Security Alert – Missile Threat Awareness for U.S. citizens:

Avoid large gatherings and organized events as they may serve as Russian military targets anywhere in Ukraine, including its western regions.

Well, what gave them the idea to say that?

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British Mercenary Aiden Aslin never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer.

When people colloquially refer to getting a prisoner's to 'sing', ie rat out his comrades to avoid the firing squad, i never though this idiot would take it literally.

Here is his a cappella rendition of the Russian national anthem:

https://t.me/intelslava/33156

Such a shame to see such a talent go to waste...

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 15 2022 14:14 utc | 1

Larry Johnson, in an interview with Craig Simpson video source noted that the primte time news programs in the 1960s had 48 million viewers vs. 250M population, of which Cronkite alone had 27 million viewers.

In contrast, the prime time news programs PLUS the major cable news programs have 28 million viewers today...but with a population of 330 million today.

The NYTimes, WaPo and other print are almost certainly seeing the same types of declines.

Larry Johnson thinks Americans are just stupid and ignorant.

I am less sure.

For one thing, I don't equate watching mainstream news with education or erudition.

For another thing, there are so many alternative Internet channels, social media, copycat sites, etc that it would not surprise me that a similar percentage of Americans follow the news ... just not through mainstream channels.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 14:16 utc | 2

So revealing how it is such an emergency when a Ukrainian civilian dies, but crickets when a Russian/allies dies. It seems satanic in the depth of evil my country has sunk. May America one day come to terms with its birthright.

Posted by: Victor | Jul 15 2022 14:22 utc | 3

And the propoganda is lapped us as entertainment by the Western masses.
No questions asked.
Never a real public outrage during the innumerable atrocious "collateral damage " incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan to the very last hour of the humiliating exit farce.
A cold winter might help people reflect on what is done in their name.

Posted by: Jpc | Jul 15 2022 14:36 utc | 4

The west continuous to be severely hit by a case of cognitive dissonance. Not able to accept
reality. There is nothing you can do about that psychological illness. A lot of suffering is awaiting the Kaganites.

Posted by: DutchZ | Jul 15 2022 14:50 utc | 5

What really hurts and stings the US/NATO is the killing of their military personnel in this bullseye missile strike. Hence the moaning and groaning about "civilians killed".

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 15 2022 14:51 utc | 6

Intel Slava reported this on that strike..

"On July 13, high-precision Kalibr missiles hit the garrison house of officers in Vinnitsa - at that moment a meeting of the command of the Ukrainian Air Force with representatives of foreign arms suppliers was taking place there.

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 15 2022 14:53 utc | 7

opps, you did report that, my mistake

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 15 2022 14:54 utc | 8

The propaganda coming out the West in regards to the Ukraine War is unreal. You have to go all the way back to WWII to find the levels bigotry and jingoism being directed at Russia today. Most normies are going to experience massive cognitive dissonance when Russia wins because they've been told since day one that the Russians don't have a snowball's chance in hell at defeating Ukraine.

Posted by: Monos | Jul 15 2022 14:56 utc | 9

"'Every day, Russia destroys the civilian population, kills Ukrainian children, directs rockets at civilian objects,' Mr. Zelensky said."

BUT Ukraine is winning the war for democracy worldwide with ADVANCED, precision artillery, guided by preternatural, super-secret, plug 'n' play computed algorithms that discriminates targets by age, sex, gender, passport, "heritage language," gainful employment, temporary or habitual residence, AND intention (mens rea) obviating any "contact line" of engagement with unlawful combatants, designated Russian invaders of the they/their/them land. Consequently, civilian tasks forces*, assembled by NATO allies to collect evidence of RF war crimes since 24 Feb 2022--including but not limited to Kremlin "ties"--is beyong reproach. They may rest assured that chief prosecutors of the ICC and ICJ will prevail, when the invaders forfeit $750 BILLION reparations to the 6 MILLION dispossessed, displaced women and children who fled their ancestral homes anywhere but K*v.

* APsplainin Nations discuss coordinating Ukraine war crimes probes; and a personal favorite
the REPO squad

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 14:56 utc | 10

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 14:16 utc | 2

Larry Johnson, in an interview with Craig Simpson video source noted that the primte time news programs in the 1960s had 48 million viewers vs. 250M population, of which Cronkite alone had 27 million viewers.

In contrast, the prime time news programs PLUS the major cable news programs have 28 million viewers today...but with a population of 330 million today.

That's a decline from ~20% to just 8.4%! So uncle chronkite had almost more eyeballs than today's entire lamestream prime time combined!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 15 2022 14:57 utc | 11

Thanks for the posting b.

The Empire of Lies will continue to use that strategy until they collapse from the weight of all those lies.

The species/social revolution by the China/Russia axis will continue pushing against the Empire of Lies until it is successful. When is that reality going to enter the Western consciousness?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 15 2022 14:58 utc | 12

So revealing how it is such an emergency when a Ukrainian civilian dies, but crickets when a Russian/allies dies.

Posted by: Victor | Jul 15 2022 14:22 utc | 3

The dichotomy of "our victims vs theirs" is nothing new, see e.g., the war against Syria, Palestinian-Zionist conflict, etc.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 15:00 utc | 13

@ Posted by: DutchZ | Jul 15 2022 14:50 utc | 5

Technically, what you refer to is actually called 'denial'.

In order to have 'cognitive dissonance', one must have 2 competing thoughts, and in order to maintain balance and reduce anxiety, the prevailing one then assumes even greater value as a form of self reassurance, lest one live with regrets. I am yet to much evidence of that.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 15 2022 15:05 utc | 14

"For another thing, there are so many alternative Internet channels, social media, copycat sites, etc that it would not surprise me that a similar percentage of Americans follow the news ... just not through mainstream channels."

Your suggesting that USA citizens have some comprehension of what is actually happening. They don't so they ain't watching serious alternative news or they are, in fact, dumb.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Jul 15 2022 15:08 utc | 15

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 15 2022 15:05 utc | 14

It is easier to fool people, than to convince them they have been fooled.

Attributed to Mark Twain.

Posted by: Olivier | Jul 15 2022 15:15 utc | 16

The NYTimes, WaPo and other print are almost certainly seeing the same types of declines.

Larry Johnson thinks Americans are just stupid and ignorant.

I am less sure.

For one thing, I don't equate watching mainstream news with education or erudition.

For another thing, there are so many alternative Internet channels, social media, copycat sites, etc that it would not surprise me that a similar percentage of Americans follow the news ... just not through mainstream channels.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 14:16 utc | 2

I will guarantee that the majority of the WaPo and Times and subscribers are direct or indirect government agency workers, other media and political operatives. Whereas a paper subscription might have been shared in an office before, now there are numerous individual subscriptions.

For this far too large subset of American society, the Sinclair Upton aphorism applies: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it."

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 15:15 utc | 17

What is your mailing address I want to send a check.

Posted by: Rosy | Jul 15 2022 15:16 utc | 18

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 14:16 utc | 2

Larry Johnson correctly adduces, based on irrelevant, topical assumptions. The US is the most ignorant, litigious nation on the planet. And guess why? ibn managing a syllabus of innerboob reporting on AP-certified "obscure laws" and urban myth-making about "rights" typically glossed as 14th amd. of the US Constitution for 30 years: That's where the money is. And that--not free speech--is what passes for "democratic processes"

IF one can fork over a filing fee.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 15:16 utc | 19

What's past is prologue.
Carpet-bombing of civilian targets for little military purpose is a Western disease, not a Russian one.
Hiroshima, Dresden, London, Berlin, Tokyo, Belgrade, Baghdad....

Posted by: Tom E. Weiss | Jul 15 2022 15:17 utc | 20

Another excellent post b. Pulling back the propaganda curtains to reveal the naked emperor.
I live within the anglostan province of oz. Your link to Rus MoD en comes up with access denied in rus lingo.
In the age of censorship, telegram seems to come through. Russia Ministry of Defense telegram account. https://t.me/s/mod_russia

For those that cannot access telegram channels from a desktop or laptop and no telegram account, I put up a post with screenshots here https://vk.com/@739151204-viewing-telegram-and-twitter-channels-without-an-account-in I also included bypassing the twatter blocker which I learned from commentators here.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 15:21 utc | 21

Good targeting,
Good hit,
Good article,
Thanks B.

Posted by: Josh | Jul 15 2022 15:26 utc | 22

Anyone who thinks people “watch” mainstream news is generous in the definition of “watch”

I suspect the television is on and running and provides visual wallpaper

US News is traditionally punctuated every 30 seconds with adverts and skewed to picture narratives with no real fact or source reference checks

There are as George Carlin never tired of staying so many stupid people with votes that intelligent people have their votes cancelled out

Personally I consider human stupidity infinite and human intelligence finite

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 15 2022 15:29 utc | 23

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 15:21 utc | 21

Thanks, Peter. The Telegram trick works like a charm. For Twitter, I have also found that deleting any associated cookies allows one to continue scrolling.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 15:32 utc | 24

I can't find anything online about US or other foreign defensive firm reps being killed. Does anyone else have anything? Were they local Ukrainian reps?

Posted by: Altai | Jul 15 2022 15:34 utc | 25

Another way to bypass the Twitter block is to replace twitter.com with nitter.net

Posted by: aquileia | Jul 15 2022 15:36 utc | 26

Tom E Weiss [20]

I consider your comment absurd. If you really thought “carpet bombing” was what took place in Dresden or Hamburg you should read up on fire storms and how they are created in cities with narrow streets and timbered builldings

You might have considered Rotterdam, Warsaw, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Guernica had you felt the German Luftwaffe to have been imperfect in any way

You might have read up on Giulio Douhet and his 1920 book on aerial warfare strategy which is why Britain focused on 4-engined bombers from 1935 with one target in mind

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 15 2022 15:36 utc | 27

On Zelensky's orders having fired thousands of rockets at civilian targets in Ukrainian cities that they claim they will recapture doesn't seem a great plan to win hearts & minds.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jul 15 2022 15:42 utc | 28

... So uncle chronkite had almost more eyeballs than today's entire lamestream prime time combined!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 15 2022 14:57 utc | 11

MSM is the voice of increasingly repulsive oligarchy. I think it’s pretty clear that the decline in MSM readership and viewership is the result of a perfectly natural aversion on the part of the general public,

At this stage of societal collapse, only “institutionalised” client groups, whose knowledge of approved narratives is a litmus test of conformity, and thus omertà, have a genuine need of main stream (regime) media.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 15 2022 15:44 utc | 29

When is that reality going to enter the Western consciousness?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 15 2022 14:58 utc | 12

Some specificity is needed to qualify or quantify "western consciousness" so that MoA partisans are prepared for complementary political revolution purportedly, ahem, developing or AWAKENING everywhere but "woke" cutlure. Get out yer Venn sets for a systematic description of manifest "westen consciousness", ie. material history of ALL human enterprises.

I noted with interest your grandiose, faintly milleniarian conclusory statment with characteristic Durkheim certainty about sociological metrics of organizational behaviors in the prior thread.

I now think that Ukraine represents a revolution for our species and revolutionary change will occur because of what happens there. So the Western public is having change forced on them by the China/Russia revolution and will have to evolve to accommodate the challenges forced on the Western form of ["]social organization["]
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 15 2022 5:52 utc | 223

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 15:44 utc | 30

Paul Greenwood | Jul 15 2022 15:29 utc | 23

Human character is to go with the flow. We as humans are a herd animal. Apart from oddballs/ferals - "(especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication" - that find their way to a site like this most go with the flow.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 15:45 utc | 31

The news reports about farmer demonstrations about nitrogen reduction policies. Like so many such stories they obfuscate what is really going on : the deliberate destruction of the West.

"> NEWS: Ukraine, Russia, Donbass:
📹 Farmers in Spain have come out to speak out against the eco-madness of environmental laws.

Protest tractors marched through the streets of Granada, Badajoz and Albacete.

In parallel with the action with Spain, farmers' protests are taking place in the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Poland.

The reason for the speeches is the new eco—laws of the EU, which require reducing livestock by 30% in order to reduce nitrogen emissions.

Discontent with the sharp increase in fuel and fertilizer prices has also been added to them.

What could be more brilliant than reducing the number of livestock during the food crisis?

Subscribe to @Sputnik
Farmers in Spain have come out to speak out against the eco-madness of environmental laws.

Protest tractors marched through the streets of Granada, Badajoz and Albacete.

In parallel with the action with Spain, farmers' protests are taking place in the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Poland.

The reason for the speeches is the new eco—laws of the EU, which require reducing livestock by 30% in order to reduce nitrogen emissions.

Discontent with the sharp increase in fuel and fertilizer prices has also been added to them.

What could be more brilliant than reducing the number of livestock during the food crisis?"

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Via their Telegram channel.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 15:45 utc | 32

The west continuous to be severely hit by a case of cognitive dissonance. Not able to accept reality. There is nothing you can do about that psychological illness. A lot of suffering is awaiting the Kaganites.

Posted by: DutchZ | Jul 15 2022 14:50 utc | 5

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 15 2022 15:05 utc | 14

It is easier to fool people, than to convince them they have been fooled. Attributed to Mark Twain.

Posted by: Olivier | Jul 15 2022 15:15 utc | 16


There is a concept in Psychology known as backfire..
basically ;; what is adopted into belief by those who establish belief [instead of those establish a working hypothesis <=which are continuously updated by incoming facts,] is more or less established belief.. Once established, facts that challenge the established belief actually raises defensive emotions in the believer.. and the belief in need of amendment seeks to reinforce the belief, even in light of strong evidence, that the belief is wrong or in need of amendment.

It is for this reason that short headlines seen multi many times are effective in establishing belief. The repetition and the credit-ability (in the mind of the believer of the source) establishes the belief.. Of course there are source effects and all kinds of other effects. still the reason reasoning with a believer as opposed to a reasoning with a working hypothesis person does not work, is because of backfire psychology.

Posted by: snake | Jul 15 2022 15:48 utc | 33

Note regimist press lies knowingly

Posted by: Exile | Jul 15 2022 15:48 utc | 34

"And the propoganda is lapped us as entertainment by the Western masses.
No questions asked.
Never a real public outrage during the innumerable atrocious "collateral damage " incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan to the very last hour of the humiliating exit farce."

The Western masses must be spoon fed. If they did not "Watch It", it did not happen. All effort must be used to consume things, not in the pursuit of truth.

jbud

Posted by: jbud | Jul 15 2022 15:49 utc | 35

It was 58 million, not 48, with 27 of that on Cronkite.

In the Cronkite era Americans did watch news and listen to most of it. Now, yes, it is wallpaper and something soaks in even though no one is attentive. The part that soaks in is all that is required to keep the population stupefied.

WaPo, NYT and maybe LA Times are the only dead tree sources that print any news at all. If you can call it news.

Alt media is what it is. Most is very bad. Yes, it is possible to find more info than ever. The audience is small. Some of the soaking in effect occurs anyway.

I just got a hard copy of the latest Michael Hudson book from a friend who first picked up on him from when Hudson occasionally appeared on PBS. Stranger things have happened. Same friend knew none of the sources commonly referenced here.

Posted by: olhippie | Jul 15 2022 15:53 utc | 36

"Civilians" = war profiteers
NYT & MSM "journalists = war profiteers

Explains their outrage, possibly, if they're smart and honest enough to realize it. More likely they're "just following orders" without realizing it's not a valid legal excuse.

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"Feral oddball", I like it :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 15 2022 15:53 utc | 37

Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 15:45 utc | 32

People that live on and with the land vs woke urbanites who think food comes from a supermarket shelf and energy comes from a bowser or electrical socket.
May we live in interesting times.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 15:54 utc | 38

Paul Greenwood @27

Wikipedia mentions Dresden, Hamburg, and Tokyo as examples of carpet bombing and it says over 90 percent of the Dresden city center was destroyed. Those cities didn't spontaneously self-combust.

Posted by: aquileia | Jul 15 2022 15:54 utc | 39

This reminds me of any number of IDF bombings in Gaza City that killed civilians. There's always a secret meeting, or a network of Terror Tunnels or a cache of rockets, never any proof but just trust that the most ethical armed forces in the world would never launch such a strike if it wasn't completely necessary.

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 15 2022 16:00 utc | 40

This strike, in the Portuguese TV/MainStreamMedia today:
- zero images of the Officer's House direct hit;
- lots of images of the burnt building saying "it was the primary building in front of the shock and heat wave";
- reporter talking about "another indiscriminate attack against civilians", while image shows all those military and the airplane monument;
- a heart-breaking story that civilians and children died in the street where "yesterday they took a walk hand in hand with their mothers";
- zero news of the frontlines (ex: Siversk);
- zero news of the Ukrainian attacks on Donetsk and Kherson actual civilian targets;
- "Putin's regime is threatening Europe with energy war";
- Putin fired the Roscosmos director;
- a lot of "Zelensky says this...", " Zelensky says that..."
- then a report in Kharkov where a middle aged woman, in a Ukrainian held area in the ex-greyzone, shows her house destroyed, and blames the Russians for all evils on Earth;

And that's it. I don't know the exact percentage, but I'd day 95% of the people still belive in MSM in Portugal (because that's the % of people that according to polls, now believe Putin is the one that cause all this), and 90% have no idea of what's going on in Donetsk/Novorussia/Ukraine, nor now nor in the last 8 years.

Most have never seen any destruction in Donetsk, don't know about the UkroNaZionalist's bombardments since 16-February-2022, have no idea what OSCE or RAND are, never heard of Victoria Nuland, think that "Pravyi Sektor" and their Black and Red flag are normal things defending "our democracy"... And think that "nazis" are just Putin's propaganda against a completely innocent people in the only war that's happening right now.
They also believe the "international community" is the whole world (execpt the other bad guys) is united against Putin, applying sanctions, and sending weapons to Ukraine.

Everytime I get the chance, I show people the MoonOfAlabama (and other alternative news/truth sources) and their first reaction is: "it's not possible, that can't be true".

In every single case, everytime I insist and show them more, until it's no longer possible to deny, their second reaction is: "then why are they (MSM) lying to us like this, and why are they (Western governments) supporting these guys (Ukrainian regime)?

And here it is, the reason for so many lies, so much manipulation and propaganda: manufactured consent. This is the only way to make Western people support USA/NATO deep state NeoCon plans. It worked in Srpska, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Syria, Libya, and now in Ukraine too.

If people knew the truth, NATO/USA plans would have already caused REAL EuroMaidan coups all over the West.
UK would be on fire because of Assange.
France would be on fire because if the Caesar guns being used to shell civilians in Donetsk.
Sweden and Finland would be on fire because of the Kurdish situation.
Germany would be on fire because of the help given to naZionalists like Azov and others.
Etc.

As Luo Siyi (Chongyang Institute, Renmin University, China) recently wrote, the World will only have peace if USAmerica is defeated on the battlefield, first in Ukraine, and then we shall see where else...

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jul 15 2022 16:00 utc | 41

@sln2002 #10

Zelenskii (or rather, his handlers) have learned well The Ten Commandments of War Propaganda:

1. We don't want war, we are only defending ourselves!
2. Our adversary is solely responsible for this war!
3. Our adversary's leader is inherently evil and resembles the devil
4. We are defending a noble cause, not our particular interests!
5. The enemy is purposefully committing atrocities; if we are making mistakes this happens without intention
6. The enemy makes use of illegal weapons
7. We suffer few losses, the enemy's losses are considerable
8. Recognized intellectuals and artists support our cause
9. Our cause is sacred
10. Whoever casts doubt on our propaganda helps the enemy and is a traitor


Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 15 2022 16:02 utc | 42

God wrote Wikipedia in his incarnation as Jimmy Wales and it is infallible

I know Dresden and have been there. I know it was a fire storm using fuel-air explosives to blow off roofs before dropping stick incendiaries. RAF by night and USAAF by day as per usual.

Hamburg and Cologne the same. It was planned after Coventry and Hitler’s Baedeker Blitz on England

I even knew people who were in Dresden during the raids. I have nothing to learn from Wikipedia and frankly consider Dresden and Hamburg can reflect on Warsaw and Rotterdam and Stalingrad. My heart does not bleed. It is sad the Zwinger was damaged and I would have preferred the beauty of pre-war Dresden but it was not my choice to go to war.

I even liked Washington DC before it was destroyed in a nuclear fire storm

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 15 2022 16:03 utc | 43

@Peter AU1 #31

"We as humans are a herd animal. Apart from oddballs/ferals - "(especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication" - that find their way to a site like this most go with the flow."

Humans could learn a lot from cats.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 15 2022 16:03 utc | 44

I'll add to #40, the claim that foreign weapon dealers were present in the Officers' Club (not actually a military installation) meeting with UA AF brass is obviously not true. So we have the Russian MoD claiming that this was a legitimate target and therefore killing that 4 year old kid and blowing her mom's leg off were acceptable collateral damage. In that statement they include one obvious lie, present no evidence, but the author here believes that the rest of the statement is entirely correct. Seems awfully credulous, very reminiscent of how the Bushies trusted their admin's claims about Iraq.

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 15 2022 16:05 utc | 45

thanks b... excellent coverage....

no one will see this via the main news outlets.... they will go around with their head up their ass and bellow like some of the ninnies here at moa ( see above ), excluding most of the perceptive posters at moa of course!

Posted by: james | Jul 15 2022 16:14 utc | 46

no one likes war... i fucking hate it... but i am at least perceptive enough to recognize the instigator of it here - nato and the usa.... if you think this war started on feb 24th, you have a really lose screw and will never be able to see much of anything clearly..

Posted by: james | Jul 15 2022 16:18 utc | 47

most go with the flow.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 15:45 utc | 31

IOW, a low risk threshold is normative behavior, instictive. This threshold proscribes the survival of "our species" like other animals', whether individually or in aggregate. Unless of course indoctrination prescribing high-risk:high reward cooperation within a society infests, ahem, surviving members of a dying enterprise.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 16:18 utc | 48

yenwoda | Jul 15 2022 16:05 utc | 45

Perhaps you could explain why "foreign weapon dealers were present in the Officers' Club (not actually a military installation) meeting with UA AF brass is obviously not true."?

Also why you describe a building called 'garrison officers house' by the Russian MoD, with a gatekeeper Mig-21 on a pedestal outside, as not a military installation?

Posted by: JohninMK | Jul 15 2022 16:20 utc | 49

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jul 15 2022 16:00 utc | 41

In the Spanish television is the same: Russia strikes against civilian buildings, and an emotive history, a little girl with down syndrome only four years old dead and her mother very bad in the hospital....all the days are the same kind of information, sometimes its possible also send images from Donbass russian controled territory killed civilians like killed by the russian artillery.

Posted by: Durruti | Jul 15 2022 16:20 utc | 50

@ JohninMK | Jul 15 2022 16:20 utc | 49

forget it... talking rationally to people like this is a complete waste of time... cheers..

Posted by: james | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 51

What could be more brilliant than reducing the number of livestock during the food crisis?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 15:45 utc | 32

It's actually not a stupid idea, given that broadly speaking it takes several kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat. This ought to be done somewhat gradually, though, since most people probably don't want to eat copious amounts of feed corn or soybeans.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 52

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 15 2022 15:21 utc | 21

Thanks for this work Peter. Much appreciated.

Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 16:31 utc | 53

Ima drop this excerpt for them what struggle with "the flow" (FKA a desirable creative characteristic in corporate "leadership" among management "scientists") of "western consciousness" and so-called non-denomiational spirituality ("nones" ha. ha., yes, it's a Pew poll theme) expressing pervasive ("systemic") anti-social behaviors and dissociative personality disorder infesting "the herd".

4. Lao-tzu said: ...
The Way molds myriad beings but is ever formless. Silent and unmoving, it totally comprehends the undifferentiated unknown. No Vastness is great enought to be outside it, no minuteness is small enough to be inside it. It has no house but gives birth to all the names of the existent and nonexistent.

Real people embody this through open emptiness, even easiness, clear cleanness, flexible yielding, unadulterated purity, and plain simplicity, not getting mixed up in things. Their perfect virtue is the Way of heaven and earth, so they are called real people.

Real people know how to deem the self great and the world small, they esteem self-government and disdain governing others. They do not let things disturb their harmony, they do not let desires derange their feelings. Concealing their names, they hide when the Way is in effect and appear when it is not. The act without contrivance, work without striving, and know without intellectualizing.

The Wen-Tzu, trans. Thomas Cleary

Occasionally, such an attitude toward the world one inhabits appears in western DIY polemic under titles of "leading from behind", "leaning into [wtf]", "situational leadership," and "benefit sharing".

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 16:39 utc | 54

@ farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 52

that is also an argument for a vegetarian lifestyle...

Posted by: james | Jul 15 2022 16:40 utc | 55

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 15 2022 15:45 utc | 32

The reason for the speeches is the new eco—laws of the EU, which require reducing livestock by 30% in order to reduce nitrogen emissions.

Given that the Earth's atmosphere is 78 percent nitrogen the EU has their work cut out to achieve any reduction in atmospheric nitrogen. As Brody famously said in Jaws: "You're going to need a bigger law."

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 16:41 utc | 56

farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 52

"This ought to be done somewhat gradually, though, since most people probably don't want to eat copious amounts of feed corn or soybeans."

Besides, all that feedstock will be necessary to resurrect the ethanol and biodiesel boondoggles in order to righteously replace wicked Russian oil.

Regardless, the proposition that arable land is too precious to waste on growing food for regular human beings is a fundamental tenet of imperial globalism.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 15 2022 16:42 utc | 57

Further proof of Russia's vast superiority when it comes to obtaining actionable illegal intelligence. A spy with secure com links to the ships armed with the missiles called down the strike because the O-Club was at the moment a high priority target whereas it would normally be left alone.

Outlaw US Empire arms suppliers and related personnel are easy marks because of their method of travel--black SUV convoys with the big-wigs and security teams. Their arrival anywhere is easy to catch. That the O-Club was a good surveillance target was likely proven by previously missed opportunities. And IMO, I can't see why any O- or EM/NCO-Club would be considered a non-military target when they most assuredly are as they're no different than barracks.

As for ID of the MIC-pukes eliminated in the strike, their names will eventually become public through their false obituaries, and perhaps via a report from a family member or new additions to the CIA's wall of stars.

In a related note, RT reports the Outlaw US Empire's House of non-representatives has approved a record $840 Billion in monetary transfers to MIC companies and their stockholders, with an undisclosed amount in kickbacks to congresscritters:

The US House of Representatives has authorized $840 billion in defense spending in 2023, boosting President Joe Biden’s proposed record military budget by $37 billion.

The annual National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which sets military expenditure, was passed on Thursday by a vote of 329-101.

The bill offers $1 billion in aid to Ukraine, including a program to train Ukrainian pilots to fly F-15, F-16 and other US aircraft. The Ukrainians should familiarize themselves with US-made planes “while the administration continues to consider sending such equipment,” said a statement on Congressman Adam Kinzinger’s website last month.

The bill also bans the supply of the F-16s to Turkey unless the US president guarantees to Congress that Ankara has not “violated the sovereignty of Greece, including through territorial overflights” for 120 days prior to the transfer.

Relative to the above inflation-driving corruption is this well-written Sputnik op/ed, "The Simple Solution to Inflation No One is Talking About". The author links to an older study done during the Stagflation Decade, “The Relationship between Defense Spending and Inflation” as she makes her case for its role in the current inflation. IMO, she has a strong argument but there's more to it than the many trillions wasted on corruption, particularly Big Oil's monopoly pricing power.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 15 2022 16:44 utc | 58

It's actually not a stupid idea, given that broadly speaking it takes several kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat. This ought to be done somewhat gradually, though, since most people probably don't want to eat copious amounts of feed corn or soybeans.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 52

There was a bit on the news last night in Canada, where a dairy farmer was saying it cost him over $10 a day to feed each of his caged cows (in mid-summer!!!). And that his cost increases were still outpacing his milk price increases and that we should expect further food price inflation. I am old enough to remember when the cows ate grass in fields during the warm half the year and then silage during the rest.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 16:44 utc | 59

takes several kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat
Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 52

---

In the same way food is a proxy for water.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 15 2022 16:49 utc | 60

@41 and 50

It is very much the same over here in Germany, 24/7 de facto anti-Russian reporting and pro-Ukraine propaganda. There are no attacks by the Ukrainians on the eastern Donbass, every now and then the latter even die because of "Russian attacks". The opinion and willingness of the eastern Donbass to become independent of the Ukrainian government are meaningless, fully ignored (hence I speak of journalistic racism) whereas all the atrocities carried out by the Kiev government against the population of the Donbass apparently never happened. It fulfills all the basic requirements of propaganda, it is the polar opposite of their own "media codex", yet they are so deep in their own lies that they can`t get back out again without loosing face, head, and body.

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jul 15 2022 16:49 utc | 61

Having HIMARS in Russian hands means, communication to satelite revealed, targating identified, which is important for electronic warfare, and many other solutions, which are up to date US tehnology.
Any professional meanings about that?

Posted by: preseren3 | Jul 15 2022 16:54 utc | 62

It's actually not a stupid idea, given that broadly speaking it takes several kilos of grain to produce one kilo of meat. This ought to be done somewhat gradually, though, since most people probably don't want to eat copious amounts of feed corn or soybeans.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 16:22 utc | 52

And the idiot speaketh. Livestock is the cheapest way to turn low value feed grain and forage into protein. There is lots of land that is fit for nothing else but foraging livestock, and much more ground that cannot support high intensity vegetable production needed to offset the lack of protein from reducing or eliminating livestock, and that is before you wade into a discussion of the merits of organic versus conventional farming, and all you need to know about that is to look into what has befallen Sri Lanka mandating their farmers go organic.

Posted by: JT | Jul 15 2022 16:55 utc | 63

@JohninMK, I would gently suggest that the burden of evidence here lies on the people who authorized and carried out the attack which killed little kids and took out a medical clinic. If you believe obvious nonsense like "there was a big conference with all the western weapon manufacturers happening and they were all killed" then I just hope you don't fashion yourself as a skeptic enlightened enough not to slurp down the lowest-effort propaganda.

I wonder what was happening in the Mykolaiv university, a top-secret meeting of NATO super-spies perhaps? British nukes being handed over to a TDF unit?

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 15 2022 16:58 utc | 64

Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 15 2022 16:02 utc | 42

The situation is more psychotic than that. For example, I recently encountered a UID how postulated "degrees of atrocity" and was unable, upon further examination, to articulate criteria for the proposition.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 16:58 utc | 65

a meeting of the command of the Ukrainian Air Force with representatives of foreign arms suppliers was taking place there. . . the meeting participants were destroyed."
SOURCE:
Intel Slava Z, b

How did RF gain knowledge of this meeting?
Two possibilities:
1) The RF is able to intercept UAF communications, or the communications of the other state party presumed present at the meetings. The other party is presumed to be the US but there is no confirmation of this fact other than the US Embassy directing all American citizens to leave 404.

Knowledge of such talks would be "state secrets" and would not be known to the military rank and file. The participants would seek to ensure operational security.

2) Individuals within the 404 governing structure at a sufficiently high level to gain knowledge of the meeting and able to communicate the location and time to the RF.

I believe this to be the most likely explanation. Given the repeated high losses of 404 military personnel, the slow replacement of lost heavy equipment, the need to conscript young women and the disabled, and the forecast ultimate loss of state sovereignty, I suspect highly placed individuals may be seeking to protect themselves in the event of a collapse of 404. They achieve this goal by making friends with the RF and assisting the RF in meeting its objectives. Not all the 404 military are Azov thugs. During WWII there were multiple instances of senior German officers acting against their own government.

----
Just read your comment karlof1. A line of black SUV's would be visible from space and or by a hovering near by drone.

But I am puzzled over the RF capability to launch expensive missiles into the wilds of 404 and hit high value targets. My hunch is that there exist members of the military disaffected by the upstart and arrogant Azovs, by the coke-head-in-chief, by the wanton destruction of Ukrainian lives for no objective reason, and by the overwhelming likelihood of RF victory. If it happened under Hitler I see no reason to dismiss similar action in response to Z.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 17:00 utc | 66

I also saw references to 12% to 43% drops in viewership of CNN, MSNBC but increases in Fox viewership in the latest numbers.

It seems valid that it is the product (or lack of product) in these liberal-leaning, American PMC/oligarchy focused channels which is the problem.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 17:05 utc | 67

@oldhippie #36
Trying to understand the alt media landscape by viewing from a single demographic is certainly going to give you the wrong impression.
There are an enormous number of these demographics - which also share varying degrees of overlap.
That's the blessing and the curse of "populist" news.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 17:08 utc | 68

Sushi.

Sometimes I am surpized...
There are millions of Russian speaking minority living in Ukraine.
Some of them are active... Know about everytning what is going on in their surroundings.
In which building is concentration of what kind of people.
Like in which floor of which block house, lets say Odesa, some foreigners live....
Russian army does not spend Caliber misseles for kindergartens...

Posted by: preseren3 | Jul 15 2022 17:12 utc | 69

Humans could learn a lot from cats.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 15 2022 16:03 utc | 44

LOL! Idunno about that. Have you given any time to sampling "common wisdom" riding the innerboobs? I was compeled to--despite a couple decades personal experience caring for a cupla house cows--when my Z-informant (not that kind, the other one) rescued a kitten from a Staten Island [!] shelter. ooo boy howdy. What a psche sewer of "evidence-based" veternarian pharma sales, non-verbal communication studies, and "fur baby" best practices comingling with post-PANDEMIC euthansia stats.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 15 2022 17:13 utc | 70

Vinnytsia? Hitler had an Officers club in that place.

Posted by: OohCanada | Jul 15 2022 17:13 utc | 71

Interesting interview done with John Pilger
Youtube- 20:37 minutes

This is a war of propaganda
https://youtu.be/u9pEotvlW-s

Posted by: Down South | Jul 15 2022 17:15 utc | 72

OT, and probably nothing.

Bloomberg reports:

Uniper Starts Using Winter Gas With Urgent Bailout Needed
. Company has started withdrawing fuel from storage sites
. Uniper could become insolvent “within days”: supervisory board

Germany’s Uniper SE has started using gas it was storing for the winter after Russia cut deliveries to Europe, increasing pressure on Berlin as the German energy giant needs to be rescued “in a few days.”

The country’s top buyer of Russian gas started withdrawing fuel from storage sites to supply its customers

more

Posted by: too scents | Jul 15 2022 17:18 utc | 73

@Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 16:41 utc | 56

Given that the Earth's atmosphere is 78 percent nitrogen the EU has their work cut out to achieve any reduction in atmospheric nitrogen. As Brody famously said in Jaws: "You're going to need a bigger law."

Stop with the utterly childish gaslighting, the issue is nitrous oxide (N2O), which has an impact on stratospheric ozone comparable to CFCs and also has a global warming impact 265 times that of CO2. Its concentration in the atmosphere is 335.5 parts per billion.

https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends_n2o/

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 17:23 utc | 74

I'm Russian living abroad. Normally, what's on this cite is what I see on Ryssian telegram channels. But this time, my friend in Russia said they were bewildered because the army housed in the House of Officers left 8 hours before the strike. I then went to double check this information on Rybar channel and he also says that it was a strike in error that did kill civilians, including 3 children. His team posted a long response which asked Ukrainian families and citizens for forgiveness and saying they will eventually get to those who pushed this bloodbath on civilians and children. So, sounds like it was planned as a military target but the deaths are civilian. Some Russians are wondering who tipped off the military to leave the house of officers before the strike.

Posted by: PBS | Jul 15 2022 17:25 utc | 75

Posted by: preseren3 | Jul 15 2022 17:12 utc | 70

You are likely correct. In the last 404 national vote the majority voted for the Z "peace policy." This suggests even non-russian speakers desire the end of the Z regime.

Given the forced conscription of everyone from 18 to 60 most in this age range likely want to bring Z to an end and a return of sanity to 404 before they are marched to the zero line.

Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 17:27 utc | 76

@Roger | Jul 15 2022 17:23 utc | 75

has a global warming impact 265 times that of CO2.

265 * 0 = 0

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 17:28 utc | 77

Sushi @67--

Thanks for your reply. What you relate are also instances of illegal intelligence gathering--the mole in high places. Other high value targets have been struck without quite as much fanfare throughout Ukraine and are reported daily yet we don't speculate on how those targets were developed. Given Russia's desire to limit civilian casualties, have direct actionable intelligence in key instances as we've witnessed in the last several days is best. When rethinking them, they're almost all dependent on on-location spotters, which are extremely dangerous tasks; yet, as Putin said in his speech to those who're paid to perform them, they have a rich history of being greatly successful. The satellite operator may have seen such a convoy, but that still doesn't make the target high value; the local spotter must verify that. I expect to hear more of such strikes going forward as Ukraine's ability to hide new arms is diminished with every destroyed warehouse or other storage facility.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 15 2022 17:33 utc | 78

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 17:23 utc | 75

If the law was targeting nitrous oxide (N2O) then the law would have referenced N2O not nitrogen.

There is a difference as I am sure you are aware.

N2O is produced by agricultural land use. Growing more vegetables and killing off the cows will not reduce N2O.

Read the science before hou go off half cocked:

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/ar4_wg3_full_report-1.pdf

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar4/wg1/


Posted by: Sushi | Jul 15 2022 17:37 utc | 79

@Roger #75
How about telling us the actual temperature impact of Nitrous Oxide on global warming?
What fraction of 1 degree C is it?

My own back of the envelope estimate given "300 times the potential" and "335.5 parts per billion" vs. Carbon dioxide at 400 ppm says that the actual impact of Nitrous oxide gives a ratio of 1 to 4. Or in other words, if 100% of warming is due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases as the consensus says, and CO2/N20 are 100% of said anthropogenic greenhouse gases, the N20 impact is only 20% of overall warming.

But of course, that isn't the actual story.

Wikipedia says water vapor is 50%, CO2 is 20%, so N20 is may 5% of the overall greenhouse effect.
Even if we are going to warm by 8 degrees C - which we are absolutely not - the N20 impact would be 0.4 degrees C.
If we are only warming 2 degrees C - the N20 impact is going to be 0.1 degree C.

That's totally worth starving tens to hundreds of millions of people.../sarc

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 17:38 utc | 80

Actually, both InterSlava and ABS military do say there was a meeting of Ukr army with foreign arms suppliers and that the participants were killed as a result of tue air strike. I doubked checked the Rybar channel. He didn't say the strike was in error but asked for forgiveness for the deaths of children and other civilians. The telegram channel that said the Ukr military left 8 hours before the strike eith the implied doubt about whos on whos side was Sharia channel. I don't know how trustworthy it is, but wanted to share for what it's worth.

Posted by: PBS | Jul 15 2022 17:40 utc | 81

https://rusvesna.su/news/1657894766

Machine translated by Yandex

urgently: At least one HIMARS installation ended up in Russia

In the Network there were reports that at the disposal of the Russian Army there was an American MLRS HIMARS rocket launcher.

Russkaya Vesna sources have just confirmed this information. It is not fully known whether the HIMARS MLRS system was captured in battle or sold by corrupt Ukrainian military personnel, but at the moment the installation is already in Russia.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 17:42 utc | 82

Nitrogen oxides - sure there is a GHG effect. Only those who have successfully refuted Arrhenius should laugh at that. Hardly the worst of it. Try looking up peroxy acetyl nitrates. Aka PANS. I just used a google search and the first page of hits is mostly obfuscation because they would rather you not know.

Ignorance is bliss.

Solving the problem by listening to Greta is even more mad than denying it. In Netherlands it looks like a straight land grab to me. Rational discussion is not happening.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 15 2022 17:44 utc | 83

Somehow I get a feeling that some stupidos seem to talk a bit about athmospheric temperature


First analyse how much Roads and Stone Houses increase the temperature in a certain spot when the sun is shining and then think about what happens when forests disappear so that the vapor is missing for the clouds - maybe just a little thought before you think about athmospheric composition (which can vary by the spot btw a lot)

Posted by: Macpott | Jul 15 2022 17:46 utc | 84

rusvesna full stop su slash news slash 1657894766

Machine translated:

urgently: At least one HIMARS installation ended up in Russia

in the Network there were reports that at the disposal of the Russian Army there was an American MLRS HIMARS rocket launcher.

Russkaya Vesna sources have just confirmed this information. It is not fully known whether the HIMARS MLRS system was captured in battle or sold by corrupt Ukrainian military personnel, but at the moment the installation is already in Russia.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 17:46 utc | 85

Norwegian

And costof HIMARS was only 880.000 $........

Posted by: preseren3 | Jul 15 2022 17:51 utc | 86

In the Cronkite era Americans did watch news and listen to most of it.

Even in that era I was puzzled. No internet, no cable; just three networks and PBS. If you switched between the networks they would all talk about the same story at the same time. It was almost 100% uniform.

They learned their lesson in Vietnam when they let all those reporters run around taking pictures and video. During the second Iraq war I was working with a local reporter who did some heavy local reporting on a mobbed up union president that we were trying to expose. After that off to Iraq she went sent by the publisher. Never heard from her again. Lodge brothers they were. Believe me, I felt the heat as well.

Fuck with the system and they can fuck with you back. Gary Webb comes to mind.

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 15 2022 17:52 utc | 87

Related to my comment @58 is this new op/ed by MK Bhadrakumar, "Putin revs up Russia’s consequential ties with Iran, Turkey: All eyes will be on Iran's Astana Summit next week, as geopolitical events accelerate Moscow’s drive to boost relations with Tehran and Ankara."

Erdogan’s hopes of a rapprochement with the US have been dashed as Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis told reporters on 30 June that Athens had submitted a letter of request “in recent days” to the US government for a squadron of 20 F-35s, with options to buy an additional squadron.

The Greek announcement came just a day after US President Joe Biden had assured Erdogan on the sidelines of the NATO summit in Madrid that he backed the latter’s pending request for F-16s to Turkey.

Erdogan should have known that Biden’s long, successful career has been inextricably linked with the powerful Greek lobby in America, which is a big source of election funding for aspiring politicians. Therefore, Greece’s F-35 deal is certain to be approved and it could further drive a wedge between the already strained relationship of the US and Turkey — and will only reinforce Ankara’s suspicion that Washington is using Greece as a pawn to control Turkey.

Congress mandated a specific condition for Turkey to get its F-16s, which I very much doubt it will be able to fulfill. Here's other bit of important info:

"Indeed, Saudi Arabia and Russia have a convergence of interests with regard to the oil market. Expert opinion is that both Saudi Arabia and the UAE have very limited spare capacity. The expectation is that Saudi Arabia will most likely agree to loosen the oil taps on the back of the Biden visit, but the leadership will still strive to find a way to do it within the context of the current OPEC+ agreement (with Russia) that extends through December by, for instance, compensating for the production underperformance of struggling OPEC states such as Nigeria and Angola. (The OPEC+ capacity is already well below the level implied in the agreement.)" [My Emphasis]

The responsibility for high fuel prices rests with Western Big Oil and its ability to enforce monopoly pricing absent any regulatory effort, which is the norm in Neoliberal nations. Brent is currently at $101; WTI at $97. When those benchmarks spiked well above those levels and remained there, fuel prices didn't go nearly as high as they are now--25-50% less in most instances. Yet, there's no outrage aimed at Big Oil by Media.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 15 2022 17:56 utc | 88

Posted by: Macpott | Jul 15 2022 17:46 utc | 84

here's another little thought,Lindzen's cloud hypothesis hasn't gone anywhere. meanwhile the projections are turning out to be too conservative. go watch some videos of the drought in the US West, among many other examples of what is happening and will continue to happen.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 15 2022 18:04 utc | 89

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 15 2022 17:38 utc | 81

still shilling. you won that nobel prize yet? the fossil fuel companies would love to hear from you. last time they financed climate research it blew up in their faces.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 15 2022 18:06 utc | 90

@Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 17:28 utc | 78

The children will play ... please go away and study some basic physics. The global warming impact of CO2 has been known since the nineteenth century and is an established scientific fact, just like gravity, the Earth revolving around the Sun etc.

Just like the dimorphic biological sex deniers you don't get to cherry-pick the established science upon which modern society is based, and upon which we base our everyday lives.

And I will now go back to ignoring such ignorant childishness.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 18:06 utc | 91

Posted by: PBS | Jul 15 2022 17:25 utc | 76

If it is true that the Ukrainian officers were "tipped off", why were civilians not also warned?

Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 15 2022 18:08 utc | 92

that is also an argument for a vegetarian lifestyle...

Posted by: james | Jul 15 2022 16:40 utc | 55

totally agree


In the same way food is a proxy for water.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 15 2022 16:49 utc | 60

maybe if you're a kangaroo rat


And the idiot speaketh. Livestock is the cheapest way to turn low value feed grain and forage into protein.

Posted by: JT | Jul 15 2022 16:55 utc | 63

Actually, soybeans are extremely nutritious. We just need to adjust our palates.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 18:09 utc | 93

The responsibility for high fuel prices rests with Western Big Oil and its ability to enforce monopoly pricing absent any regulatory effort, which is the norm in Neoliberal nations. Brent is currently at $101; WTI at $97. When those benchmarks spiked well above those levels and remained there, fuel prices didn't go nearly as high as they are now--25-50% less in most instances. Yet, there's no outrage aimed at Big Oil by Media.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 15 2022 17:56 utc | 88

Big oil are not newbies to the inflation (currency devaluation) game. They are obviously front running the Fed/Treasury duopoly and I guarantee their in-house "economists" have a better model of how this inflation cycle plays out than anyone at the Fed, Treasury or Department of Energy. EROI is declining, there is no way future retail consumers will pay less for energy than we have been used to, without subsidy or nationalization.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 15 2022 18:11 utc | 94

@Roger | Jul 15 2022 18:06 utc | 91

The children will play ... please go away and study some basic physics.

So what are you proposing to do? You want to change the climate in order to prevent climate change? Just take your own advice, ad hominem is a losing proposition.

Here is something more constructive and on topic for this thread:
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/23319
A multifunctional hospital with 200 beds is being built in Lugansk. At the end of May, there was an open field at this place, and now the building is already 48% ready. In November, it will be handed over to the Ministry of Health of the LPR.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 18:12 utc | 95

@Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 15 2022 18:06 utc | 90

I second your comment. It is amazing how otherwise highly intelligent people can completely lose their basic intellectual faculties on what is established science, at one end the anthropogenic climate deniers on the other the dimorphic biological sex deniers (and also the genetic basis of sexual orientation deniers).

There is also a huge chunk of the social sciences which deny all materiality, including the possibility that part of a person's personality and other mental traits may be genetically-derived. The natural scientists have no problem accepting nature+nurture but the social scientists just cannot deal with the fact that not everything is culture and nurture. Then we have the economists and sociologists who consider that the ecology of which we are but a part should be "brought within the market". Such foolishness is akin to saying that the universe should be brought within the Earth.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 15 2022 18:15 utc | 96

Imagine my surprise!

The WEF calling for a reduction in nitrogen emissions

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/08/youve-heard-of-a-carbon-footprint-now-its-time-to-take-steps-to-cut-your-nitrogen-footprint

Posted by: Down South | Jul 15 2022 18:19 utc | 97

farm ecologist | Jul 15 2022 18:09 utc | 93

"soybeans are extremely nutritious. We just need to adjust our palates."

Fermented soy products work well within the context of Asian cuisine. The promiscuous way westerners use soy as a staple causes it to function as an endocrine disruptor just like synthetic pesticides. To the extent the "transgender" pathology has any physical basis and isn't purely part of the mass psychosis, it stems from this mass dietary and environmental hormonal poisoning. That's in addition to the standard carcinogenic effect.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 15 2022 18:19 utc | 98

@17 Opport Knocks

I think your Upton Sinclair quote should be updated to say:

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his exceptional lifestyle depends on him not understanding it.

Fits today's U.S. populace to a "T"

Posted by: Weekender823 | Jul 15 2022 18:23 utc | 99

@Roger | Jul 15 2022 18:15 utc | 96

"established science".

The key to science (Richard Feynman)

Let's try to return to the topic of this thread: There are reposrts of rockets and explosions in Dnepropetrovsk.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 15 2022 18:23 utc | 100

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