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July 12, 2022

No, Iran Will Not Deliver Armed Drones To Russia

In March this year we were treated to an onslaught of obviously false claims that China would deliver weapons to Russia for the fight in Ukraine.

Russia seeks military equipment and aid from China, U.S. officials say - Washington Post - March 13, 2022

Russia has turned to China for military equipment and aid in the weeks since it began its invasion of Ukraine, U.S. officials familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.

The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, did not describe what kind of weaponry had been requested, or whether they know how China responded.

The development comes as White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan plans to travel to Rome on Monday to meet with his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi.

“We are communicating directly, privately to Beijing, that there will absolutely be consequences for large-scale sanctions, evasion efforts or support to Russia to backfill them,” Sullivan told CNN.

Russia is an exporter of military weapons and China is one of its biggest customers. There is nothing in the Chinese arsenals that Russia can not and does not produce itself.

The claim was false from the get go but Sullivan, the mediocre National Security Advisor of the Biden regime, planted it to put pressure on China. It of course did not work.

China denied that it had received any request from Russia or that it was in any way willing to ever fulfill one if it would come:

No Chinese weapons have been seen in Ukraine.

Now an equally stupid claim was launched by the very same liar who launched the fake Chinese weapons claim.

White House: Iran set to deliver armed drones to Russia - AP - Jul 7, 2022

The White House on Monday said it believes Russia is turning to Iran to provide it with “hundreds” of unmanned aerial vehicles, including weapons-capable drones, for use in its ongoing war in Ukraine.

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said it was unclear whether Iran had already provided any of the unmanned systems to Russia, but said the U.S. has “information” that indicates Iran is preparing to train Russian forces to use them as soon as this month.

“Our information indicates that the Iranian government is preparing to provide Russia with up to several hundred UAVs, including weapons-capable UAVs on an expedited timeline,” he told reporters Monday.

Russia has for some time build mass production facilities for its own drones.

A decade ago, the Russian Armed Forces possessed fewer than 200 UAVs, and now this figure stands at over 2000, and each year is replenished by 300. Furthermore, the Russian defence industry is conducting R&D on the application of artificial intelligence (AI) in UAVs, with the ambition of enabling them to perform as unified “swarms of drones” in combat zones. Sources claim that this was already tested in 2020, during the Kavkaz-2020 military exercise.

Russia has absolutely no need to buy drones from Iran. Besides that it is dubious that Iran would be able to deliver some and certainly not 'several hundreds'.

Gregg Carlstrom - @glcarlstrom - 6:18 UTC · Jul 12, 2022

Does Iran even have "hundreds of weapons-capable drones" to export? It has limited production capacity; would be surprising (to say the least) if it could churn out hundreds, let alone hundreds of useful weapons systems rather than worthless tchotchkes.

Esfandyar Batmanghelidj @yarbatman - 23:14 UTC · Jul 11, 2022

1. @jakejsullivan's claim that Iran is set to send "several hundred" drones to Russia doesn't make sense. Data is spotty, but it's unlikely Iran even has that many operational drones in its own fleet. It also has no experience exporting drones at scale.
2. The Defense Intelligence Agency's 2019 report on Iranian Military Power does not assess that Iran has the ability to mass produce and export drones. Hard to believe things have changed dramatically in three years.
3. From the report: "Despite advances in its UAV manufacturing capabilities, Iran remains reliant on Western manufactured engines and components to support its UAV production. Iran is developing a domestic UAV engine but is struggling with quality issues."
4. @RUSI_org's database seems to suggest that Iran has 50 operational drones in its fleet (cc @Justin_Br0nk). Also most of Iran's drones are rudimentary. These are not Bayraktars and would be of little value.
Perhaps someone can check the Jane's estimate.
5. Last year, @bellingcat reviewed satellite images and video footage "showing over 154 drones." But there's widespread agreement among analysts that these displays of air power probably include drones that are not fully armed or operational.
6. Sullivan's statement is also odd because he says that it is "unclear" whether Iran has already exported any drones. He was weirdly responding to a broader question about Russian capabilities. This export might happen, but I'll believe it when I see it.
7. The only explanation I can think of is that Sullivan believes Iran’s new drone JV in Tajikistan is primarily intended to supply Russia. But I am doubtful production can ramp up that quickly. Plus can’t the US just lean on Dushanbe if concerned?

The Washington Post notes the weird timing of Sullivan's claims thereby hinting that it was made for purely political purposes which have nothing to do with Russia:

The revelation comes as President Biden prepares to depart for the Middle East, where he is expected to confer with key allies on a unified regional policy toward Iran. Tensions between Washington and Tehran have been further strained in recent weeks, amid faltering nuclear talks and an uptick in rocket and drone attacks on U.S. military installations in the Middle East, conducted by militia groups armed and funded by Iran.

The whole issues is just a talking point designed to put Iran and Russia into the same 'baddies' binder for Biden's talks in the Middle East. The countries there may not like Iran but they will certainly not allow for a condemnation of Russia. The whole idea is, as many others Sullivan had, stupid to begin with.

 

So no, there will not be any Iranian drones going to Russia or fly over Ukraine.

Posted by b on July 12, 2022 at 9:32 UTC | Permalink

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Posted by: Jack | Jul 12 2022 19:31 utc | 94

All Magnier's tweet says is that the US says Iran will be supplying drones to Russia w/ a link to The Grauniad repeating the same thing. Did I miss something?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2022 20:17 utc | 101

Iran does have an interesting drone industry which can produce in the quantities that are interesting for export, assuming this deal was already in the making for a while. This is something not hard to find out after a bit of study and certainly the level of advanced drones is impressive.

But more importantly there is a strategic reason. Russia has a base "preparedness" level it needs to keep to fulfill all the demands, all the scenarios for any escalating potential conflict with NATO, US, Poland etc. This is a very high number. Military experts know this, ask around! So why waste more material in Ukraine? If Iranian drones suffice, need some battle practice and might confuse NATO-trained forces on difference in design and response, why not? By now, Russian operators would be already trained otherwise the news would be meaningless as factor.

Posted by: John Dowser | Jul 12 2022 20:26 utc | 102

Not entirely on topic, but related:
Lukashenko today:
МИНСК, 12 июл — РИА Новости. "Recently - and we discussed this in detail yesterday (by phone. - Ed.) with the President of the Russian Federation - strategic plans for an attack on Russia are being developed. And the main direction of the strike <...> is through Ukraine and through Belarus," Lukashenkosaid. As the press service reports, the Belarusian president made this statement on Tuesday in Minsk, at a ceremony honoring graduates of military universities and senior officers.

Posted by: JB | Jul 12 2022 20:33 utc | 103

Not entirely on topic, but related:
Lukashenko today:
МИНСК, 12 июл — РИА Новости. "Recently - and we discussed this in detail yesterday (by phone. - Ed.) with the President of the Russian Federation - strategic plans for an attack on Russia are being developed. And the main direction of the strike <...> is through Ukraine and through Belarus," Lukashenkosaid. As the press service reports, the Belarusian president made this statement on Tuesday in Minsk, at a ceremony honoring graduates of military universities and senior officers.

Posted by: JB | Jul 12 2022 20:34 utc | 104

103

The West is silly if it thinks it can attack Russia and get away with it. Russia is a proud country, they will rather destroy the entire planet than allow something like that.

And really, the longer I observe this whole Kafka madness, the more I think it would be best for Russia to wipe the US off the face of the planet once and for all. There is no living with the devil, it needs to be killed.

Posted by: Nico | Jul 12 2022 20:40 utc | 105

It is hilarious to watch the flatulent emanations from the Biden junta as it seeks to project power it no longer possesses. The whole world laughs at American nonsense, and realizes that because the American education system is irrevocably broken, it can only produce highly credentialed idiots.

Posted by: Tom | Jul 12 2022 20:46 utc | 106

b. you are correct in being suspicious of Biden's teenaged presidential advisor Jake Sullivan who loves nothing more than stirring the pot.
Hillary's campaign manager in her failed presidential attempt and one of the authors of the disastrous Russiagate, he is more than capable planting stories and causing discord. What his connections are to Hillary at present I don't know but US foreign policy is as bloody and bloody minded as Hillary's stint as SOS. CIA driven like Hillary's State Department. The Nulands, the authors of the Kiev putch are Hillary people as well. Victoria Nuland is the current Under Secretary of State.
Bellingcat is not a collection of independent journalists as advertised, it's a conduit for MI 6 and the CIA. They print what they are fed. thegrayzone.com did the leg work on exposing them. Not a reliable source.
I think you are right. Things are not going well around JCPOA talks and why would they. The US wants control not an agreement.
Carlos somebody writes a plausible tale but where is the evidence for his suspicions? There are other explanations.
Russia and Iran have always been allies and trading partners. Since US sanctions on Russia, they have become much closer. Iran has a lot of experience living with sanctions. Russia is able to help Iran out.
Iran was one of the first countries to fully integrate into Russia's MIR alternative monetary system. Russia has been instrumental in Iran's acceptance into the SCO. That's big.
It's probable that little Jake is seeing everything slip away and has reverted to type. Making stuff up.
Even if it were true, which I doubt given Russian supremacy in all things military, so what?
Is this a variant on the Russians are running out if stuff, a constant theme from Biden and Co. since March? Even if they were armed drones, what is the US going to do about it?
Having exhausted sanctions as a combat tool and having walked away from the JCPOA and Kiev bargaining tables, they have no control over either nation.
The Iranians are going to continue to be active in Syria until the US goes home. Jake will have to get used to it.

Posted by: CD Waller | Jul 12 2022 20:47 utc | 107

b. you are correct in being suspicious of Biden's teenaged presidential advisor Jake Sullivan who loves nothing more than stirring the pot.
Hillary's campaign manager in her failed presidential attempt and one of the authors of the disastrous Russiagate, he is more than capable planting stories and causing discord. What his connections are to Hillary at present I don't know but US foreign policy is as bloody and bloody minded as Hillary's stint as SOS. CIA driven like Hillary's State Department. The Nulands, the authors of the Kiev putch are Hillary people as well. Victoria Nuland is the current Under Secretary of State.
Bellingcat is not a collection of independent journalists as advertised, it's a conduit for MI 6 and the CIA. They print what they are fed. thegrayzone.com did the leg work on exposing them. Not a reliable source.
I think you are right. Things are not going well around JCPOA talks and why would they. The US wants control not an agreement.
Carlos somebody writes a plausible tale but where is the evidence for his suspicions? There are other explanations.
Russia and Iran have always been allies and trading partners. Since US sanctions on Russia, they have become much closer. Iran has a lot of experience living with sanctions. Russia is able to help Iran out.
Iran was one of the first countries to fully integrate into Russia's MIR alternative monetary system. Russia has been instrumental in Iran's acceptance into the SCO. That's big.
It's probable that little Jake is seeing everything slip away and has reverted to type. Making stuff up.
Even if it were true, which I doubt given Russian supremacy in all things military, so what?
Is this a variant on the Russians are running out if stuff, a constant theme from Biden and Co. since March? Even if they were armed drones, what is the US going to do about it?
Having exhausted sanctions as a combat tool and having walked away from the JCPOA and Kiev bargaining tables, they have no control over either nation.
The Iranians are going to continue to be active in Syria until the US goes home. Jake will have to get used to it.

Posted by: CD Waller | Jul 12 2022 20:47 utc | 108

Regarding complaints that Russia is going “too slow” with its SMO a couple of points are worth making. Firstly while ever the SMO is protecting Lugansk and Donestsk Russia does not have to formally declare war on Ukraine with all the legal implications that then result.

The longer that Russia gradually builds a successful campaign with no major setbacks the more support it gets from non-Western nations while simultaneously creating enormous stress on those governing “the golden billion”.

Already the Western economies are cracking apart at the possibility that Nordstream may not come back online on 22nd of July. I suspect it will as it is offline at this time every year.

However mainstream media reporting is not saying that Putin has to turn it on because he is weak. To the contrary they fully expect the strong man to further demonstrate his strength while the weak EU and USA can do nothing about it. The body language from the Western media is changing in front of our eyes and that in turn conditions entire populations to consider the impossible - what can we do to make Russia happy?

From that point they will find that his requirements are quite reasonable - stop bullying other nations and look after your own problems while we look after ours. That is a mantra which most of us manage in our private lives.

Posted by: Cyberhorse | Jul 12 2022 20:48 utc | 109

Military Summary Channel ( Ukraine. Military Summary And Analysis 12.07.2022 ) just reports that 1, possibly 2 HIMARS (with missiles) where SOLD by the Ukrainians to the Russians.

Why buy stuff from Iran, when you can just buy it from the Ukrainians right on the battlefield!

If true, the entire US Administration should be impeached and jailed!

Posted by: James Cook | Jul 12 2022 21:05 utc | 110

The end of western civilization:

well-known lefty author Naomi Wolf exposé about how many Pfizer (and other) vaccines and covid meds are made by Sinopharm (CCP-owned?) subsidiaries in US.

https://rumble.com/v1c0i77-naomi-wolf-the-ccp-has-infiltrated-the-american-health-system-covid-injecti.html

The globalists have already taken over, it just isn't being reported.... Most of the time we keep visualizing discrete polities - US - EU - China - RU etc. and on some levels these entities do indeed have separate and independent existences. However, there are many spheres in which the jurisdictions are transparent because there is a higher jurisdiction or sphere (probably several) which exists above and beyond nation state divisions or sovereignty.

This is relevant because the multipolar model being pushed emphasizes treasuring the sovereignty of each nation state as the prime principle. But if world medicine is now a para-nation-state affair (as recent rules coming down from WHO are rumored to be) then where's the sovereignty principle?

Most like 'we the people' are getting played again - as usual.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 12 2022 21:06 utc | 111

@David Levin | Jul 12 2022 17:12 utc | 86

Just ignore trolls. Some are sincerely stupid, others are paid

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 19:04 utc | 91

I get what you're saying, but my concern is that if that post wasn't addressed (even briefly, as I did), some reader(s) might conclude that it's valid.

Posted by: David Levin | Jul 12 2022 21:11 utc | 112

Posted by: James Cook | Jul 12 2022 21:05 utc | 108

"If true, the entire US Administration should be impeached and jailed!"

If the US were a constitutional representative republic then you would be correct, but that hasn't been the case for some time now, most certainly since the 2016 election.

As it is, anything which maximized profits for the principal stakeholders of Corporation USA (a legal entity I believe) is to be commended. The more US weapons the Russians buy the better since the sooner the MIC can off-load current inventory the sooner they can get funds from Congress to manufacture much more purportedly newer and better.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 12 2022 21:11 utc | 113

Posted by: James Cook | Jul 12 2022 21:05 utc | 108

"If true, the entire US Administration should be impeached and jailed!"

If the US were a constitutional representative republic then you would be correct, but that hasn't been the case for some time now, most certainly since the 2016 election. [...snip...]

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 12 2022 21:11 utc | 111

The book Votescam by James and Kenneth Collier might give one the impression that the US departed from that form of government at least 50 years earlier.

Posted by: David Levin | Jul 12 2022 21:18 utc | 114

109

What's the problem? If the West has has factories in China, why would China not have factories in the West and make stuff there?
The Pfizer stuff is made at various locations in the world.

But really, the problem is the Pfizer vaccine as such, no matter who manufactures it where...

Posted by: Nico | Jul 12 2022 21:19 utc | 115

Posted by: CD Waller | Jul 12 2022 20:47 utc | 106

Also Jake Sullivan was one of the principal actors in the fake Russia gate campaign as released in the much delayed DOJ report. He is desperate to find a reason to keep that knock on the door from happening

Posted by: DaVinci | Jul 12 2022 21:24 utc | 116

It's intended to bolster the excuse being prepared for attacking Iran.

Next.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Jul 12 2022 21:39 utc | 117

"Military Summary" channel on YT reported today Ukraine officers sold at least one HIMARS system to Russia for $800K per piece plus $300K for ammunition. 

FF video to 2 min before the end.

https://youtu.be/FaMuiX1aBgQ

Posted by: Lars | Jul 12 2022 22:26 utc | 118

Posted by: Nico | Jul 12 2022 19:37 utc | 95

The image of low quality is an outdated myth, based on racist sinophobia deliberately spread by the West.

How can it be that the image is both mythological and outdated? When did this happy shift from crap to quality occur?

Posted by: Wahtd | Jul 12 2022 22:52 utc | 119

Apart from the fact that there is no evidence of Chinese weaponry of any significance being used in Ukraine from the Donbass pro-Russian side, why is the US lecturing China not to supply any weapons given the US and NATO countries are sending as much as they want to to Zelensky's regime of quasi-Nazi murderers and cannon fodder?' It is not a NATO Country.


This is just another example of US/West's bullying and aggression. "Our way or know way", that's the US/West's "rules based order". Hypocrisy and arrogance? They have no idea what it is. So sick of US rent seeker regimes pushing the world around including in my country of Australia where we are being primed up to be the Ukraine of the South Pacific, without any consultation of the Australian people.

Posted by: George | Jul 12 2022 23:01 utc | 120

I have no idea if Iran is sending drones to Russia, but if they are then it is a win/win for both. I am sure that Russia wishes to be good friends with Iran so that means trading and buying what they can. Now since Russia has not need for Iranian oil/gas, no doubt their respective trade officials look for everything else that might be traded. Most of the Iranian top 10 exports are not needed by Russia as they have their own industry. Fruit and nuts are a major export, and presumably are bought by Russia but coming in at no 10 is machinery.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 12 2022 23:29 utc | 121

It is quite interesting to see b downplaying the Iranian drone capability here. Understating the estimates of how many drones the Iranians have, their industrial capacity to produce the drones, their ability to ship the drones overseas, etc. Does he believe that the Houthis developed the 10 drones that they used in 2019 to put 50% of the Saudi Arabian oil production out of commission? There had been 200 Houthi drone attacks on Saudi Arabia previous to that successful operation, one in which the drones flew over 1,000km. Did b not see the photos of the results of the attack, perfect symmetrical damage to the Saudi infrastructure, each hit in the exact same place? I'm somewhat baffled by his manufactured ignorance here.

Now I'm not opposed to the Iranians helping the Russians in any way. After all, General Qasem Soleimani reportedly traveled to Moscow to ask the Russians to join the fray in Syria, a successful mission that demonstrated shared interests. Since that time, the shared interests have grown and developed, and they are shared among more countries, most notably China. Why shouldn't these allies be cooperating, sharing technology, allowing the manufacturing giant, China, to put its industrial capacity to work producing drones that were successfully deployed by the Iranians? Military drones are still relatively new in the scheme of history, and successful use and experience is vital for manufacturing.

Posted by: frankie p | Jul 12 2022 23:33 utc | 122

Westworld's nemesis is forming under your noses by consolidating the market power of "resource rich" developing nations with attitude, while you count drones.

Iran applies to join BRICS group of emerging countries, 28 June

Iran to Become [observer] Member of Shanghai Cooperation Organization [SCO] This Year - Uzbekistan's Foreign Ministry, 11 July

Incidentally, the alternative SWIFT "messaging system," alternative IMF reserve basket, and alternative WB loan officer added India's Central Bank, RBI announces International Trade Settlement in Indian Rupees, 11 July

SCO (2001 NGO): CN, RU, IN, PK, KZ, KG, TJ, UZ, AM*, AF*, AZ*, BY*, TR*, LK*, KH*, IR*

OPEC (1960 FTA): IR, IQ, KW, NG, SA, VZ, LY, AE, AL, AO, GQ, CG, GA; + OM*, s-SS*, SS*, BN*, RU*, MX*, AZ*, KZ*, MY*, BH*, EC*, ID*, QA*

BRICS (2009 FTA): CN, RU, BR, IN, ZA; AR*, DZ*, EG*, ID*, IR*, CM*, ML*, SN*, TH*, UZ*, FJ*, ET*, KZ*

OIC (1969 NGO): AZ, AE, IR, IQ, BD, TR, TN, SN, SL, GA, GW, QA, KW, ML, MR, YE, JO, ID, PK, AF, UZ, BH, AL, UG, BN, BJ, TM, BF, TJ, TG, TD, DZ, SA, SS, SY, SR, SO, OM, GM, GY, GN, PS, KM, KG, KZ, CM, CI, LB, LY, MV, MY, EG, MA, MZ, NE, NG

* observer, dialogue, or applicant member

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 13 2022 0:44 utc | 123

Readovka, 12 July, Izvestia 13 July
The EU will exclude from sanctions the transit of goods to KaliningradThe translations to English are awkward, but the gist is EU finally capitulated to RF demand to revoke Lithuania's unilateral blockade. Brussels provided a document that 'completely satisfied' Moscow." Anglophone press hasn't caught on yet. There's no telling when or how detailed enforcement will be reported.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 13 2022 1:14 utc | 124

So USA admits that Iran is a capable drone maker. US air defenses were penetrated by low end Iranian drones. Russia can use Iranian drones to add variety to its forces in Ukraine.

Colonialists can't go to war with Iran now as they depend on the middle east for oil and gas.

Russia must make good use of the situation and buy Iranian drones.

Posted by: Jason | Jul 13 2022 1:25 utc | 125

Re UAV's from Iran.

At this time, Iran is engaged in the co production of UAV's in Tajikistan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2R3EIzyNM

Some posters, including the much respected "b" seem to believe Iranians are camel herders incapable of technological prowess.
Well, many University professors in the US and elsewhere are from Iran.

Their drones run the whole range of capabilities, simple throw away ones, loitering ammunition types, prop driven, jet engine powered,
with ranges going to 1000 of kms, programmable or piloted, armed or unarmed. They make their own jet engines.

They have aimed at air power through rockets and UAV's over manned aircraft for territorial defense. Meanwhile Russia, from a long tradition has favored manned aircraft which means that UAVs have been relatively, relatively I repeat, neglected compared to the efforts of others.

You tube is enough to address the contempt of Iran's detractors re their technological capacity.

according to Iranians, their BAVAR 373 AD is superior to the Russian S300 because it uses a passive radar that escapes detection. I would love to see it tried in Ukraine. Would be good exercise for the Iranians.

Posted by: CarlD | Jul 13 2022 2:22 utc | 126

So, you are one of those, who went to Vietnam on a safari to kill the natives...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 15:15 utc | 70

So are you one of those cowardly draft dodging maggots that fled to canada?

Posted by: Screwdriver | Jul 13 2022 2:51 utc | 127

Some posters, including the much respected "b" seem to believe Iranians are camel herders incapable of technological prowess.
Well, many University professors in the US and elsewhere are from Iran.
Posted by: CarlD | Jul 13 2022 2:22 utc | 124

Chuckle CarlD.
Many can hold contradictory ideas in their head. Take for example the case of ‘War with Iran’ prediction (for some, there is no distinction between prediction and advocation) is a cottage industry. An exercise in fantasy. It is bandied about with or without logic. It’s practitioners seem to have a dual mentality of Iran. On the one hand, Iran is weak and can’t respond to certain acts. On the other hand, Iran is strong and should be feared. They hold these contradiction openly and without regard to facts, or logic

There is no higher technology than nuclear. Iran split atoms yesterday. It will do so today, and tomorrow.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 13 2022 3:44 utc | 128

Scorpion | Jul 12 2022 21:06 utc | 109

"But if world medicine is now a para-nation-state affair (as recent rules coming down from WHO are rumored to be) then where's the sovereignty principle?"

And that highlights how Russia's announcement that it would soon cease collaborating with globalist-imperialist institutions like the WHO, if that comes true (I haven't heard more about that lately), will be such an important part of the world's anti-globalist, anti-imperial, denazifying struggle currently being led by Russia.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 13 2022 5:04 utc | 129

[Eric Draitser] is an American, so what do you expect from him?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 12:28 utc | 26

That’s a moronic statement. Half of the commenters here are American.

Posted by: RB | Jul 13 2022 5:36 utc | 130

Why, oh why, would China want to get involved in this retarded stuff?
Oh, it didn’t.

China is nothing if not wise. It has no need to cheerlead, sanction, supply, fund….
Anything.

China will just sit there, make its trade, offer condolences and concerns,
And let NATO push Russia into its sphere of friends (which it needs, imo)

The US foreign policy team sucks.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Jul 13 2022 6:22 utc | 131

Hi B,
After à 50€ donation, of course, I just suggest that this news appears to me much more plausible that it seems to you.
As some others commenters says, Iran has certainly a great expertise in the drone field. So any country, Russia included, cannot be the producer of most capable things in all domains.
So that’s make this information credible to me. And even more, a good news if true.

Posted by: LucLaf | Jul 13 2022 6:44 utc | 132

Posted by: bevin | Jul 12 2022 23:04 utc | 145

Very worthy analysis.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 13 2022 8:06 utc | 133

DakotaRog | Jul 12 2022 20:15 utc | 99

Thank you for the link to the report you peer reviewed. all of which is news to me.

I don't know about Romania, but the current situation regarding deforestation of Ukraine's Carpathian Mountain forests, which went into high gear around 2014, is dire.

The immediate question regarding Ukraine is how fast desertification is happening there, and how fast this will affect the country's wheat-producing farmland -- and the weather pattern that supports the farming.

Posted by: Pundita | Jul 13 2022 10:01 utc | 134

Perhaps the news of the July 19 meeting in Tehran (exspecially for Syria) between Putin, Erdogan and Raisi escaped.
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2022/07/12/Putin-to-travel-to-Tehran-for-Raisi-Erdogan-summit-on-July-19-Kremlin
This is where Sullivan's concerns arise.
In particular, if there is a rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia with Putin's mediation.
In my opinion, one purpose of Biden's journey is to prevent this rapprochement

Posted by: FZappa | Jul 13 2022 10:02 utc | 135

Never underestimate war time industrial capacity. I have read in Turning Wheels, the Studebaker Drivers Club of America journal, an article, 'Studebaker Goes to War', which claims the Studebaker Corporation supplied the allied USSR with two million excellent 6x6 trucks via Iran in WW2. Russia did not have a name for truck, so all trucks were called Studebaker.

The corporation also produced advanced aero engines and the excellent vehicles.

Here is some more:

https://cardinalscholar.bsu.edu/bitstream/handle/123456789/202097/2019WilsonBenjamin-combined.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Posted by: Paul | Jul 13 2022 10:17 utc | 136

Real combat experience for Iran would be very useful to develop their drones and their operators experience particularly now that Ukraine is using the latest western Wunderwaffe. Limited use by Iran in Ukraine makes sense perhaps in an area away from main battlefront.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jul 13 2022 10:53 utc | 137

Have so many people forgotten? Iran is in the top 5 for STEM grads in the world, and that is absolute numbers, not per capita. I've worked with Iranian STEM students and engineers. Unlike many Indian STEM grads, who are often good for comic relief, the Iranians are no joke and are the real thing.

True enough, Iran is struggling with sanctions, and it sure is nice to be able to Lego-block-develop your toys with off-the-shelf tooling and components... just shell out enough shekels and you too can be a drone developer if you are not sanctioned! But you cannot get engineers off-the-shelf, and while it is a huge challenge, sanctions have the benefit of forcing locally developed supply chains. Think of sanctions as forced economic discipline; externally applied protectionism of domestic enterprises! Sure, sanctions will kill "small" countries that have no industry to start with, but if they have the industrial basics (Iran is #10 in steel production in the world!) and an educated workforce then sanctions tend more towards guaranteeing local opportunities for industrious individuals. Just look at all of the opportunities for people who wanted to get into dairy products in Russia after 2014 as an example. Now Russians produce domestic versions of any kinds of cheeses you might want, just like America does.

While I've not seen any head-to-head comparisons, I would be surprised if Iran's domestically produced drones are not comparable to, if not noticeably superior to, Turkey's drones. The economic discipline provided by sanctions will also mean Iranian engineers will focus on an important aspect of robotic war machines: affordability. In any real conflict drones need to be considered disposable, so they need to be cheap and easily produced.

This skepticism about Iranian drones does not seem well-considered to me.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 13 2022 11:25 utc | 138

Nice song about a war that if nothing else is a civil one that is slowly becoming a war with NATO.

https://rutube.ru/video/private/451b7e1af510a2c9d0b3dd19954dceee/

Posted by: Paco | Jul 13 2022 11:45 utc | 139

William Gruff @138: "In any real conflict drones need to be considered disposable, so they need to be cheap and easily produced."

As an aside, this is where American drones fail miserably. Drones that you can only get a few of per $billion are a ludicrous farce. The only reason they survive is because they are either employed against people with primitive defenses or because states with the means to take them out are afraid of offending the naked emperor.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 13 2022 12:40 utc | 140

LMAOOOOOO!!

When I read these claims by the most incompetent Sullivan, I just LAUGH at such painfully obvious bullshit.
Problem is that many Americans reading garbage like that will believe it.
How to tell you're about to read such bullshit? Start with "sources say..."

Posted by: Kay | Jul 14 2022 3:30 utc | 141

@99 - Dakota

Mentioning the lumber from the Ukrainian side, I used to get my rough cut in Crimea from the mainland Ukraine and it was dirt cheap , even compared to my old home state Alaska, where I had friends that had a mill in their back yards.This being from 2008 until I couldn't get it anymore - 2015. Even the hardwood warehouse in Simferopol was dirt cheap. This all changed after the US changed governments in Kiev, and I figured out that all that cheap lumber was probably headed to Europe where the prices of wood was redicules.
The EU and the globalists started to set all the prices on wood within the Union and it was really high dollar , esp. for the hardwoods.I caught their price list when a guy at the hardwoods warehouse in Simferopol showed me the E U lumber price lists. He tried to use that list on me and told him to stick his list....This was after the place went back to Russia and now the prices are 4Xs what they were so... This Globalist BS needs to be destroyed so that we can go back to normal business within communities.

Posted by: GMC | Jul 14 2022 10:37 utc | 142

I saw on China's military news channel CCTV7 a documentary on PLA using small cheap 3D injection molded suicide drones at a tactical level. They were using VR goggles and flying the drones through hoops before smacking the canvas target.
Every part is DIY and cheap electric parts off the shelf.

Posted by: Surferket | Jul 15 2022 2:22 utc | 143

The last time I was in China's Military Aviation headquarters in Xian (after a presentation in Chengdu) - the place was teeming with Russians and Israelis selling their stuff, too.

A Russian Airforce general presenting in the very next conference room to mine. Everything was video taped! (I didn't mind - as long as my hotel room wasn't video-surveiled. Woulnd't want to find myself on pornhub! like Hunter Biden!)

Our CFD stuff helped design their stealth fighters. LOL

Posted by: joe bloggs | Jul 27 2022 19:06 utc | 144

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