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July 12, 2022

No, Iran Will Not Deliver Armed Drones To Russia

In March this year we were treated to an onslaught of obviously false claims that China would deliver weapons to Russia for the fight in Ukraine.

Russia seeks military equipment and aid from China, U.S. officials say - Washington Post - March 13, 2022

Russia has turned to China for military equipment and aid in the weeks since it began its invasion of Ukraine, U.S. officials familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.

The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, did not describe what kind of weaponry had been requested, or whether they know how China responded.

The development comes as White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan plans to travel to Rome on Monday to meet with his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiechi.

“We are communicating directly, privately to Beijing, that there will absolutely be consequences for large-scale sanctions, evasion efforts or support to Russia to backfill them,” Sullivan told CNN.

Russia is an exporter of military weapons and China is one of its biggest customers. There is nothing in the Chinese arsenals that Russia can not and does not produce itself.

The claim was false from the get go but Sullivan, the mediocre National Security Advisor of the Biden regime, planted it to put pressure on China. It of course did not work.

China denied that it had received any request from Russia or that it was in any way willing to ever fulfill one if it would come:

No Chinese weapons have been seen in Ukraine.

Now an equally stupid claim was launched by the very same liar who launched the fake Chinese weapons claim.

White House: Iran set to deliver armed drones to Russia - AP - Jul 7, 2022

The White House on Monday said it believes Russia is turning to Iran to provide it with “hundreds” of unmanned aerial vehicles, including weapons-capable drones, for use in its ongoing war in Ukraine.

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said it was unclear whether Iran had already provided any of the unmanned systems to Russia, but said the U.S. has “information” that indicates Iran is preparing to train Russian forces to use them as soon as this month.

“Our information indicates that the Iranian government is preparing to provide Russia with up to several hundred UAVs, including weapons-capable UAVs on an expedited timeline,” he told reporters Monday.

Russia has for some time build mass production facilities for its own drones.

A decade ago, the Russian Armed Forces possessed fewer than 200 UAVs, and now this figure stands at over 2000, and each year is replenished by 300. Furthermore, the Russian defence industry is conducting R&D on the application of artificial intelligence (AI) in UAVs, with the ambition of enabling them to perform as unified “swarms of drones” in combat zones. Sources claim that this was already tested in 2020, during the Kavkaz-2020 military exercise.

Russia has absolutely no need to buy drones from Iran. Besides that it is dubious that Iran would be able to deliver some and certainly not 'several hundreds'.

Gregg Carlstrom - @glcarlstrom - 6:18 UTC · Jul 12, 2022

Does Iran even have "hundreds of weapons-capable drones" to export? It has limited production capacity; would be surprising (to say the least) if it could churn out hundreds, let alone hundreds of useful weapons systems rather than worthless tchotchkes.

Esfandyar Batmanghelidj @yarbatman - 23:14 UTC · Jul 11, 2022

1. @jakejsullivan's claim that Iran is set to send "several hundred" drones to Russia doesn't make sense. Data is spotty, but it's unlikely Iran even has that many operational drones in its own fleet. It also has no experience exporting drones at scale.
2. The Defense Intelligence Agency's 2019 report on Iranian Military Power does not assess that Iran has the ability to mass produce and export drones. Hard to believe things have changed dramatically in three years.
3. From the report: "Despite advances in its UAV manufacturing capabilities, Iran remains reliant on Western manufactured engines and components to support its UAV production. Iran is developing a domestic UAV engine but is struggling with quality issues."
4. @RUSI_org's database seems to suggest that Iran has 50 operational drones in its fleet (cc @Justin_Br0nk). Also most of Iran's drones are rudimentary. These are not Bayraktars and would be of little value.
Perhaps someone can check the Jane's estimate.
5. Last year, @bellingcat reviewed satellite images and video footage "showing over 154 drones." But there's widespread agreement among analysts that these displays of air power probably include drones that are not fully armed or operational.
6. Sullivan's statement is also odd because he says that it is "unclear" whether Iran has already exported any drones. He was weirdly responding to a broader question about Russian capabilities. This export might happen, but I'll believe it when I see it.
7. The only explanation I can think of is that Sullivan believes Iran’s new drone JV in Tajikistan is primarily intended to supply Russia. But I am doubtful production can ramp up that quickly. Plus can’t the US just lean on Dushanbe if concerned?

The Washington Post notes the weird timing of Sullivan's claims thereby hinting that it was made for purely political purposes which have nothing to do with Russia:

The revelation comes as President Biden prepares to depart for the Middle East, where he is expected to confer with key allies on a unified regional policy toward Iran. Tensions between Washington and Tehran have been further strained in recent weeks, amid faltering nuclear talks and an uptick in rocket and drone attacks on U.S. military installations in the Middle East, conducted by militia groups armed and funded by Iran.

The whole issues is just a talking point designed to put Iran and Russia into the same 'baddies' binder for Biden's talks in the Middle East. The countries there may not like Iran but they will certainly not allow for a condemnation of Russia. The whole idea is, as many others Sullivan had, stupid to begin with.

 

So no, there will not be any Iranian drones going to Russia or fly over Ukraine.

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While it is reported that the factory "Kronstadt" in Dubna has begun working in three shifts

https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2749295?lang=en

It is also reported that Orion-E strike drones will not become available until the end of this year

https://en.topwar.ru/184519-ubijca-bajraktara-rossija-vyvodit-na-mezhdunarodnyj-rynok-udarnyj-bespilotnik-orion-je.html

There is nothing wrong with the Iranian drones that battle testing cannot improve.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2022 9:46 utc | 1

To be fair, Iran has a huge variety of rockets and drones, used by Houthis in great effect.
But yeah, them supplying Russia while they have their hands full with supplying their own allies in the ME? Nope

Posted by: Direwolf | Jul 12 2022 9:46 utc | 2

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/03/31/ukraine-asks-turkey-if-bayraktar-tb2-uav-can-spray-20l-of-aerosol/


Maybe not Iran but Turkey Bayraktar TB2s?

Posted by: snake | Jul 12 2022 9:47 utc | 3

Given the destruction of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.
I'm guessing the Chinese didn't respond too kindly to these fool's l.

Posted by: Jpc | Jul 12 2022 10:00 utc | 4

It is USA that needs to import from China !!! Boeing aircraft are full of fake Chinese parts.

USA can only source flame retardants for its missiles from a Belgian company. So much US military hardware is sourced overseas. US thinks everyone has to buy off the shelf like its satellites do - UK, Japan, Germany, Spain, Poland, Italy - not one can build anything without importing. UK cannot even build military trucks or small arms.

NATO standardised so much that no one makes it any more !!! Everyone things it can be imported from somewhere else !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 12 2022 10:00 utc | 5

Posted by: Direwolf | Jul 12 2022 9:46 utc | 2

Hisbollah seems to have quite a rocket arsenal

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 12 2022 10:01 utc | 6

Here is a website that claims:
https://gerjon.substack.com/p/the-war-in-ukraine-irans-airlift

During the three months following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, at least 23 Iranian cargo aircraft have landed at airports around Moscow, Russia. These flights have been regularly spotted by aircraft enthusiasts around Moscow, and their routes can be verified using aircraft tracking websites such as Flightradar24, ADSBexchange and Icarus Flights.

These 23 flights are a clear increase compared to 2021, suggesting that they are not carrying everyday Iranian or Russian exports. The timing of these flights could indicate that they are related to the ongoing war in Ukraine.

Posted by: haafril | Jul 12 2022 10:06 utc | 7

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (12.07.2022)


In the area of the settlement of Berezan, Odessa region, high-precision ground-based Iskander missiles destroyed launchers of the Harpoon anti-ship missile system (Harpoon) manufactured by the United States.

As a result of a strike by high-precision air-launched missiles in the area of the settlement of Artemovsk of the Donetsk People's Republic, 180 servicemen and 26 units of military equipment of the 30th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.

In addition, high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed: manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 12 districts, four ammunition depots of the 79th airborne assault brigade in the Matveevka area of the Mykolaiv region, as well as a repair and restoration point of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Seversk area.

As part of the counter-battery struggle, two platoons of Grad multiple launch rocket systems and two artillery platoons of Hyacinth-B howitzers were destroyed at firing positions in the Dzerzhinsk area of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery hit during the day: three control points, three ammunition depots, artillery units in firing positions in 97 districts, as well as manpower and military equipment in 111 districts.

Seven Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down by Russian air defense means during the day in the areas of the settlements of Izium, Small Passages, Nursery of the Kharkiv region, Slavyansk, Shandrigolovo of the Donetsk People's Republic, including one strike unmanned aerial vehicle near the city of Nikolaev.

In addition, 12 shells of the Hurricane multiple launch rocket system were intercepted in the areas of the settlements of Lisichansk of the Luhansk People's Republic, Brazhkovka of the Kharkiv region and Novaya Kakhovka of the Kherson region.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 243 aircraft, 137 helicopters, 1,513 unmanned aerial vehicles, 354 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,046 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 741 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 3,135 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 4,165 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

The Russian Defense Ministry tracks and records by name all foreign mercenaries who have arrived in Ukraine to participate in hostilities.

As we have already noted, contrary to the false statements of representatives of the Kiev regime about the alleged twenty thousand foreign mercenaries who arrived on the territory of Ukraine, their real number is an order of magnitude smaller. Moreover, it is steadily declining.

So, over the past three weeks, as a result of the offensive actions of the Russian Armed Forces and units of the People's militia of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, the number of mercenaries in Ukraine has decreased from three thousand two hundred and twenty-one people to two thousand seven hundred and forty-one.

During this time, despite the arrival of another 151 mercenaries, 391 militants were destroyed. Another 240 "wild geese" hastened to retreat outside the territory of Ukraine.

The palm of the championship in terms of the speed and number of militants' losses over the past period belongs again to representatives of Poland – 166 Polish militants have been liquidated. Among the representatives of Georgia, 50 "soldiers of fortune" were destroyed, the UK lost 23 more mercenaries killed in Ukraine. Also, 21 Romanian and 15 Canadian militants were killed in three weeks.

Updated data on the number of foreign mercenaries currently in Ukraine are presented on the information resources of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the Internet. I would like to emphasize that the Russian Armed Forces are identifying foreign mercenaries at the stage of their preparation for entry into Ukraine.

Here is one example. On July 6, two British citizens, Colin Scott and Adrian Davis, as well as three US citizens, Michael Vujkovic, Andrew Fox and Oliver Short, arrived at the collection and placement point for foreign mercenaries located in the Polish city of Zamosc on Kozmyan Street, house 1. We recommend these citizens to come to their senses and return home alive.

Let me remind you that in accordance with International humanitarian law, foreign mercenaries are not combatants and the best that awaits them in case of capture alive is a trial and maximum prison terms.

Posted by: noname | Jul 12 2022 10:18 utc | 8

A man would betimes get the impression that the US is fighting a different war to the Russians. A PR war as opposed to a real one. Except that the real one seems to be making methodical progress while the PR one seems a bit directionless and bitty. Things just come and go. Where is that oil price cap at now? Maybe it’s meant to imitate some sort of realism - where people just act randomly and forget what was all the rage yesterday - but maybe they need a Victor Fleming to direct and pull the story(narrative?) together? Not that it would have any effect on the real war, of course.

Posted by: Oscar Diggs | Jul 12 2022 10:27 utc | 9

Let's not poo poo the Iranian drone story. They have a capable drone program and this has been a massive industrial level warfare going on for four months so unlike artillery pieces that they have been producing since soviet times drones r new tech and sanctions r hampering production (no country in these modern time can manufacture a cutting edge product in in entirety) so Russia might actually be getting Iranian drones.
Iran without a doubt has given extreme importance in drone development and has been under sanctions for much longer so they have more control over their production chain and has worked hard at developing the drone program so they actually might be capable of delivering 100s of drones

Posted by: A.z | Jul 12 2022 10:43 utc | 10

I agree with the general premise, but China could help Russia with drones and other military gear.

No nation comes close to China in industrial capacity. The Chinese drone program is more advanced then Russia's, they'd be of good use.

Behind the scenes, I think China is providing more military manufacturing help then meets the eye.

Iran has a great drone program, not sure about the industrial capacity to mass produce the high-end stuff.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jul 12 2022 10:50 utc | 11

These 23 flights are a clear increase compared to 2021, suggesting that they are not carrying everyday Iranian or Russian exports. The timing of these flights could indicate that they are related to the ongoing war in Ukraine.

Posted by: haafril | Jul 12 2022 10:06 utc | 7

Interesting. Well, sort of?

Iran/Russia co-operation No visas are required by Iranian tourists. Russia has been offering aid to Iran to fight COVID-19.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jul 12 2022 10:57 utc | 12

they actually might be capable of delivering 100s of drones
Posted by: A.z | Jul 12 2022 10:43 utc | 10

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Operator staffing and training is probably the bigger issue.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2022 10:57 utc | 13

They only help that would be useful and can't be seen by anyone is access to Chinese satellite data. I doubt Russia has enough spy satellites and China has some very exotic ones that US doesn't have.

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 10:58 utc | 14

"Also most of Iran's drones are rudimentary. These are not Bayraktars and would be of little value."

Bayraktars are nothing special. They are relatively cheap and give good performance for the price. Iran has better drones than Bayraktar, but how many can they make?

Rudimentary drones do have value, even the little quadracopters. Rudimentary drones get shot down a lot, they are something Russia would need provided in a constant stream. Can Russia make enough on their own? Maybe, but Russia does have a lot of things to make and replace. A little help would be nice.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jul 12 2022 11:03 utc | 15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_KfSJWF8I Is an interesting interview with Dima, the author of The Military Summary Channel, in English, by a Portuguese podcaster on June 22nd.

Posted by: Mjh | Jul 12 2022 11:10 utc | 16

This latest "news" about Iranian drones to Russia is another lame and desparate attempt to paint a false narrative that somehow Russia is running out of military supplies.

As to China supplying Russia militarily, China could but Russia doesn't need it. At least right now.

As a US general recently noted in MIC conference in San Diego, CA, China is producing serious military hardware at 5 times the rate the Americans are doing, and at 1/20th the costs for the same bang on the dollar. Clearly, the US is being out gunned militarily in terms of production costs and rates by both the Russians and the Chinese.

What this Ukrainian SMO exposes is the serious deficits of American arms against Russian military might. Sooner than later, we will find out about the same of US arms against Chinese military might. When the Taiwan situation "blows up".

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jul 12 2022 11:16 utc | 17

interview with military summary Dima by the Duran - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU2A_yN-0kc

Posted by: Aslangeo | Jul 12 2022 11:16 utc | 18

@haafril | Jul 12 2022 10:06 utc | 7
«During the three months following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, at least 23 Iranian cargo aircraft have landed at airports around Moscow, Russia.»

The photos show civilian cargo airplanes, and this happens in the same period of sanctions when Western brands got out of Russia. Iran is already an expert in circumventing sanctions, and has good relations with Russia. These planes are obviously comercial, with some Iranian products trying to replace the void left by some Western brands. China did the same, as well as India, Turkey, and others, and obviously many Russian companies also grabbed the opportunity.

So, those 23 cargo aircraft are probably just a small sample, because many others are also coming from non-enemy countries. And many more products arrive on train and trucks, for all economic areas. That's also part of the higher integration in EAEU and SCO. Russia sells more oil/gas to them and they also sell more stuff to Russia. And I'm glad to see it's working, because I'm 100% anti-sanctions. Sanctions are the devils tool to provoke poverty and famine. So it's easy to see how they became the main tool of Western Satan (USA) and his minions/vassals (Europe + Canada + the 4 idiots in the Pacific).

I remember listening an idiot in Portuguese TV saying that Russia, by the 3rd month of "crippling sanctions", would no longer have functioning airplanes, because it wouldn't have spare parts to repair the long range Boeings and Airbus, and Russia "has no Russian long range planes nor factories to produce long range planes spare parts". The "journalist" presented the guy as an "expert". So, yeah, this is Western TV, and the Portuguese "journalists" make guys at CNN and Fox News look like honest professionals... An "expert" that doesn't know about the existence of ways to go around the sanctions, and doesn't know about Russian aircraft industry. Maybe these "experts" think Su and Mi are just funny Chinese surnames, or that Kamov, Tupolev, Antonov, and Ilyushin are just funny Russian surnames...

As for the drones used in this war, we've seen an interesting development during just 4 months, with newer tactics and an actual test to the technologies available. Who would know that a cheap civilian drone with a grenade attached to it could be more effective than a huge military Bayraktar TB2? Or that USA big drones are so bad that USA doesn't even want to send them to Ukraine, afraid that the bad publicity could hinder the profits of the Military Industrial Complex oligarchy. Ahahah, I laughed really hard at that one.

That being said, even if Russia has all the tech, know-how, and production capacity to be not only self-sustainable during a full conflict and also be an exporter, that doesn't make it impossible that some drones (or other tech) from Iran and China has already been tested in a real war environment in Ukraine. After all, what are those SCO military joint exercises all about? Isn't it about joining forces, specially from Russia, China, and Iran, in a war situation, sharing know-how and tech and improving their soldiers, mechanics and engineers cooperation?

Someone said the "proof" that isn't happening is that no Chinese/Iranian tech was caught in Ukraine. Well, how can an army that spent the last month making "successful tactical backing movements to better defending positions" be able to grab anything? They even left their armored vehicles, heavier guns and ammo in Severodonetsk because they were in such a hurry to make a "victory swim" in the Seversky Donets river...

This reminds me that, if/when Russia reaches Zaporoje and Dnipropetrovsk, the Dnepr river is so much larger than the Siversky Donets, that Ukraine better start conscripting Olympic swimmers.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jul 12 2022 11:18 utc | 19

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/11/the-folly-of-sweden-and-finland-joining-nato/ . The first part of this podcast argues that current Russian losses/usage of three categories of weapons is not sustainable for a long war. Categories are tanks/armored vehicles, aircraft, and missiles(due to limitations of engine production factory). Podcaster Eric Draitsen said he based (copied?) these conclusions on the analysis of a ‘Russian analyst” who he names but does not provide the cv of. Since these conclusions are the opposite of Andrei Martyanov’s about Russian industrial/military capacity, is there someone at the bar capable of factually critiquing this critique?

Posted by: Mjh | Jul 12 2022 11:34 utc | 20

Please look into the EU-driven deforestation in Ukraine's critically important Carpathian Mountain forests. I learned about the situation from Russell Bentley's July 6 about Donetsk

https://rumble.com/v1bcozh-most-recent-update-from-ukraine-with-russell-texas-bentley-prevod-sr.html

I am very surprised the deforestation, which is setting off what has been called an "environmental Armageddon" has not gotten much attention, and until Russell mentioned it, none that I know about during the Russian SMO in Ukraine.

There was a detailed CounterPunch report in 2016 about the deforestation with a number of links to other reports. The role of EU (and IMF) is shocking.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/27/barbarous-deforestation-in-western-ukraine/

The deforestation went into overdrive in 2014 after the Maidan 'revolution.'

Posted by: Pundita | Jul 12 2022 11:59 utc | 21

Even if Iran would supply anything to Russia, the US "intelligence" won't know anything about it. That "intelligence" is like, whether Jake Sullivan knows, what his wife would doing...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 12:08 utc | 22

Remembering my manners: Thank you, b, for this report and for all the others you have written on the SMO. You are indispensable.

And please look into the Carpathian Mountain deforestation in Ukraine, as if you don't have enough on your plate. But I think you'll agree the situation is an absolute disaster.

There is so much corruption involved from both the Ukraine and EU sides that if the Russians want to put a stop to the deforestation, which is leading straight to desertification, it looks to me as if they would have to take all of Ukraine.

Wait until you read the reports on the situation. Again, here is the CounterPunch link, which leads to other links:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/27/barbarous-deforestation-in-western-ukraine/

Thank you again. All the best to you!

Posted by: Pundita | Jul 12 2022 12:10 utc | 23

Posted by: Mjh | Jul 12 2022 11:34 utc | 20

Unfortunately Counterpunch has crossed to the dark side: now part of MSM and Empire media.
New offices on board of Death Star.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jul 12 2022 12:11 utc | 24

@mgh @#20

Not to attack the messenger, but Eric Draitser is an ideologue who will not admit that a viable anti-imperialism can come from a non Marxist-Leninist position. He views Putin, Assad and other resistance leaders as fascist dictators and imperialists in their own right.

He doesn't want Russia to "win" in Ukraine.

Posted by: TGL | Jul 12 2022 12:11 utc | 25

Posted by: TGL | Jul 12 2022 12:11 utc | 25
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Eric Draitser is an American, so what do you expect from him?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 12:28 utc | 26

haafril@7
Is it surprising that there has been a slight increase (two per week) in traffic between Iran and Russia after the imposition of sanctions against Russian air traffic with other countries?

And why assume that the 'planes are carrying drones rather than a million other possible cargoes?

Posted by: bevin | Jul 12 2022 12:29 utc | 27

German press: Heating becomes a luxury
German municipalities are planning halls where it will be possible to warm up, ending with lighting buildings and heating water in swimming pools - all because of the gas crisis. (Poland press)

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 12:30 utc | 28

iEarlGrey mentions the alleged Iran gift to Russia and many other hilarious delights.

This is worth a few minutes to watch.

Macron No Confidence Vote. Estonia PM Quits. Johnson In MORE Trouble. NOW SHOLZ?!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 12 2022 12:33 utc | 29

Yes, the timing does make sense in appearing as an attempt to throw shade on Iran as Brandon visits KSA.

However, i read this article in Asia Times a while back, which contradicts some claims about Russia not relying of foreign components. Yes, Russian drones are manufactured in Russia, but are we sure all of the parts come from Russia? This article also has many links for anyone wanting to make a deep dive on the matter:

https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/us-made-parts-keep-russias-artillery-firing-in-ukraine/

"About 80% of the Orlan-10’s parts are sourced outside Russia."

Just as Turkey ran into problems a while back during the Azeri-Armenian war, when Canada, Israel and other countries refused to sell parts for their 'home made' Bayraktar, it is possible Russia could be facing similar supply chain issues in key tech components in its arms industry. Of course, with time many of the issues will be solved, particularly if China back the talk with some walk.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jul 12 2022 12:42 utc | 30

@Pundita | Jul 12 2022 11:59 utc | 21 "Carpathian Mountain deforestation in Ukraine"

Not only Ukr but in Romania too. Carpathian deforestation is very high on all puppet states. If you search local news you'll see they often get mudslides and floods destroying villages or roads, no trees to hold the land in place. All wood goes to their masters in EU. Reporters often film endless convoys of trucks without any markings on trees or trucks. It's going 24/7 and the police or government are all involved.
And like I've said before, the integration of a part of Romania into Hungary seems to be getting close. Big investments from Hungary, citizenship, land ownership. Romania imports about 80% of food if I remember correctly, they even import bread from Hungary.

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 12:42 utc | 31

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 12:42 utc | 31
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And, Romania has a lot of Gypsies, usually known as Roma...😏

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 12:47 utc | 32

Posted by: haafril | Jul 12 2022 10:06 utc | 7

It's only a conjecture but you forgot that Russia and Iran cooperate in other things like covid etc.So how the increased number of flights lead to drones?..I am afraid the mockinbird hit once again!!Maybe I should have known right away since you used the word invasion to describe the Special Military Operation.

Posted by: LuBa | Jul 12 2022 12:49 utc | 33

Iran a founding member of the UN has been tarred as a bad guy by the US for decades Iran trades with Russia and China, and defends itself against Israel and Saudi Arabia, both see Iran as a threat and the US backs Israel and Saudi Arabia's stance on that.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 12 2022 12:49 utc | 34

These 23 flights are a clear increase compared to 2021, suggesting that they are not carrying everyday Iranian or Russian exports. The timing of these flights could indicate that they are related to the ongoing war in Ukraine.

Posted by: haafril | Jul 12 2022 10:06 utc | 7

Since both countries are under sanctions it is more likely that they are exchanging goods that were previously sourced from elsewhere. If it was military hardware it is more likely to have landed at a military airport rather than Moscow.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 12 2022 12:56 utc | 35

Et Tu | Jul 12 2022 12:42 utc | 30
"About 80% of the Orlan-10’s parts are sourced outside Russia." "have been taken down by Ukrainian forces"

The article you linked is just propaganda, no proof and the source is what Ukr said. quoting Ukr is like eating yellow snow.
Orlan is home-made and worked fine and still works fine today. You can even recognize its video look. I'm sure they've lost some but that is a cheap drone made to be replaced in large numbers. Even the Israeli licensed drone is very different from the source design and made with Russian parts.
If you are looking for stupid mistakes in Russia they do have those: Okhotnik isn't in production, some "smart" people didn't put enough money in the project. Other "smart" people didn't put more photo satellites in orbit linked to an AI to track movement of weapons and troops.

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 12:59 utc | 36

Lies and propaganda, what else do we expect from the neo-liberals in this country. Nothing they say can be trusted. This is modus operandi as the truth is that we are a failing empire and the cracks are beginning to be too big to ignore. Failure after failure and fiat money backed by military might and atomic weapons is the foundation. Manufacturing does not exist and we are like Germany in WW2, technologically advanced but incapable of mass production on the scale demanded for a land war in Europe or anywhere else. Given the scale and reach of modern technology and missile capacity our navy is now essentially neutralized and they know it. This is a very dangerous unwinnable game being played here, it is time to stop the crap and recognize that this no longer a uni-polar world and treat other nations fairly and with respect.

Posted by: Henry Chaney | Jul 12 2022 13:11 utc | 37

@ ostro | Jul 12 2022 12:47 utc | 32
Romania has a lot of Gypsies

I think they have more now since many Gypsies have returned from UK and EU after covid restrictions and brexit rules that started to be applied last year.

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 13:11 utc | 38

For the first time in 20 years, the euro and dollar exchange rates equalized. Predictions about the onset of a systemic crisis in the euro area are beginning to come true. First, the EU members shot themselves in the head with a sanctions pistol. Now they are reaping the bitter fruits of a decline in production, supercritical food inflation, the loss of competitiveness of their goods and the expectation of winter in ice dwellings without our gas.

In global terms, this is confirmation of the extremely ill-conceived nature of the sanctions against Russia. Sanctions don't work. Sanctions are harmful to the Europeans themselves. The euro is weakening.

And of course, the European currency, which is getting cheaper relative to the American one, has become an excellent marker of the one who pays in hard currency for the bloody crisis in the Ukraine. Washington, together with London, bred the Europeans like thimbleriggers. It is known that war is the continuation of politics by other means. When starting an economic massacre, it was necessary to calculate their own monetary and economic problems, and not just introduce bad restrictions. In the White House this formula, in contrast to the Brussels dogs of war, apparently knows incomparably better. They punish their loved ones much less often, measuring out the consequences for a long time. But the “useful European idiots” suffered much more at the mercy of the Americans. But they are not at all sorry, since it was the Russophobes from the EU who unleashed a hybrid war with Russia and opened a wide economic front against us.

However, the solvency of Europe worries us little. We need to deal with the adaptation of our economy to the new very difficult conditions. Solve problems in industry, including securing technological sovereignty. There is still a lot to do here.

And the best protection against the rotting euro will be the transition to new payment methods in trade with our reliable partners, including the use of national currencies - the Russian ruble, Chinese yuan, Indian rupee, etc. In the future, it is also possible to create a new reserve currency of the BRICS countries. The modern world is clearly not enough of the dollar, euro and pound sterling. For now, $1 = €1. Keep savings in rubles!

- Dmitry Medvedev

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 13:15 utc | 39

Yesterday, Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Sullivan held a media briefing on Biden's upcoming visit to the Middle East. The main theme is that the countries of the Persian Gulf have the potential to significantly INCREASE the production of hydrocarbons.

I understand that the question is uncomfortable, but I will ask: what about the "green agenda" and the calls of the same administration to the energy transition?

Let me remind you that in 2020, during the presidential election campaign, nine key points of Biden's plan in the field of the "clean energy revolution" were published, which implies the decarbonization of the US energy sector as early as 2035.

Plan only? Then we are waiting for an official message from the White House that the entire declared strategy is no longer relevant.

How can the same people decarbonize and boost hydrocarbon production at the same time?

Biden's panicked attempts to get gasoline prices down are not new. So, most recently, he called on Congress to temporarily abolish the fuel tax to combat rising gasoline prices. Sharp criticism from American conservationists followed immediately.

Looks like they're in for an even deeper disappointment...
- Maria Zakharova

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 13:21 utc | 40

A rather vacuous stretch of a story. No doubt both China and Iran (as well as other countries in limited ways, India, Pakistan, Serbia, Hungary, Cuba, and others) are helping Russia in diverse ways, materially not just morally. It would be odd were it not so. The earlier b from pre-trump, pre-covd days, the one with c1 level language, with many German turns of phrase and mainly British/international-based English idiom, the one with a sharper military mind and less hung up on the NYT and WP and other american mainstream reportage than this more recent, more usak-focused b with the more us-based idiom, would probably have eschewed this angle. Don't forget China's invaluable assistance to RF and the CTSO during the Xhazakstan putsch.

Posted by: belle | Jul 12 2022 13:23 utc | 41

@ostro | Jul 12 2022 13:15 utc | 39

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Like the Yen, the Euro will be sold into the carry trade for as long as the costs to borrow it are suppressed.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2022 13:26 utc | 42

US claims Iran supplying drones to Russia, evidenced by increased commercial flights?

If Iran has a deal supplying drones to Russia, good for them. Whatever they're selling to Russia, it's trade they urgently need while US sanctions as usual illegally punish Iranian civilians. In any case, is it not hilarious that US blustering loudly about supplying Howitzers and HIMARS to Ukraine is 'good' but Iran supplying drones to Russia is 'bad'? Probably smearing Iran to distract from Biden's total failure to renegotiate JCPOA.

Posted by: tPaine | Jul 12 2022 13:27 utc | 43

SpaceX’s Starship booster engines explode in test gone wrong A bit off topic, but...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 13:31 utc | 44

I'm guessing someone important got kalibrated again, hence another fake news spin about Russia

Posted by: leaf | Jul 12 2022 13:32 utc | 45

Here is one example. On July 6, two British citizens, Colin Scott and Adrian Davis, as well as three US citizens, Michael Vujkovic, Andrew Fox and Oliver Short, arrived at the collection and placement point for foreign mercenaries located in the Polish city of Zamosc on Kozmyan Street, house 1. We recommend these citizens to come to their senses and return home alive.

If the Russian MoD called me out by name, I'd be running the other way.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jul 12 2022 13:33 utc | 46

The real significance of the Iran drone story is that it is an example of reflexive zionism: Sullivan uses every opportunity to suggest that Iran is doing wrong because it all helps boost the Israeli case for attacking Iran.
Sullivan might as well be working in Tel Aviv.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 12 2022 13:36 utc | 47

So let me try to understand this.
Iran, despite decades of crippling sanctions is more capable of building drones than Russia?

Posted by: CitizenKayne | Jul 12 2022 13:38 utc | 48

rk@31 -- Thank you for the mention of Romania, which I will look into. The massive deforestation is global but in Europe it's suicidal.

Posted by: Pundita | Jul 12 2022 13:44 utc | 49

Eric Draitser is an American, so what do you expect from him?
Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 12:28 utc | 26

Don't lump all of us in with someone like him.

Plenty of us here opposed to what's going on with US/NATO morons.

Personally, I'm cheering for Russia.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jul 12 2022 13:44 utc | 50

I have found a report that the UN warned about the crisis in November 2020, but that was far too late.

https://www.unian.info/society/climate-un-warns-of-threat-to-carpathians-over-illegal-deforestation-11233967.html

Posted by: Pundita | Jul 12 2022 13:51 utc | 51

Bevin, Haafril7.

Planes go in two directions.
They unload one cargo, then reload with something else and return.

I have no idea what's going but it doesn't seem like anyone else does either.

Posted by: CitizenKayne | Jul 12 2022 13:51 utc | 52

Personally, I'm cheering for Russia.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jul 12 2022 13:44 utc | 50
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OK, but against whom? Against the Ukraine, or against the US, the puppet master?

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 13:55 utc | 53

Since when does this blog depend on one never-heard-of twitterer Gregg Carlstrom, who by the way cites Bellingcat(!)?

I think the common denominator Jake Sullivan is plenty of indication by itself to call disinfo. No twittersphere idiots and MI6 cutouts are needed to 'add' to that.

Posted by: bjd | Jul 12 2022 13:58 utc | 54

The sources are indeed dubious. And there might be diplomatic considerations.

But Iran supplying drones to Russia would make sense. For Iran it would an opportunity to professionalize the production and techniques of its drones (Russia will be glad to help them solve such problems). For Russia it would be an extra source of drones.

Money is no problem. The ruble is becoming too expensive because so much imports have stopped. So importing drones from Iran might actually help the Russian economy.

Posted by: Wim | Jul 12 2022 13:59 utc | 55

Reading the daily Russian MOD report on the previous days activities looks like a replay of the US Defense Department daily briefing and body count report from my days in the Vietnam/Indo-China war.

The MOD has claimed the destruction of over 4000 Ukrainian fighting vehicles since the beginning of the “SMO”. This includes all types of armored vehicles. In Feb. Ukrainian armed forces had over 13000 AVF of all types available.
5 months into this war and the Russian military has failed to achieve any of the strategic goals the SMO was supposed to achieve.

Just as with the daily US Defense Dept. briefings from 64 to 74 they are only of marginal value in maintaining the propaganda illusion of progress.

How far has the front advanced in the last week. To meet my timeline of the Dnipier line by mid-August they needed to advance 60 klicks since seizing Lysychansk on July 3. According to Southfront the front has advanced to Tripolie and Vladimirovka approx. 50 klicks in 10 days.

If anyone bothers to study warfare in Ukraine you would see these advances are on par with the 1914-1918 war.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jul 12 2022 14:02 utc | 56

"Furthermore, the Russian defence industry is conducting R&D on the application of artificial intelligence (AI) in UAVs, with the ambition of enabling them to perform as unified “swarms of drones” in combat zones."

1. This is the future of drones.

Combine good cameras with processing power driving image recognition and you have something that you can launch in a general direction and let it pick the final target. This eliminates the need for a data link to an operator because now they are autonomous. Software utilizing ML (Machine Learning) is an enabling technology for this.

2. The neocon defense articles I used to read had a steady stream of stories making AI development by China / Russia sound like 'Skynet'. Those articles always referred to the lack of morality and ethics in Chinese / Russian AI development (along the lines of super-soldiers). This shows me that our defense guys do not understand the technology.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2022 14:09 utc | 57

utilizing ML (Machine Learning)
@Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2022 14:09 utc | 57

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There is no learning in ML. Instead there is a priori training from a human oracle, that designs the training and grades the learning.

Hopefully the defeat of Western thinking in Ukraine brings with it a new AI Winter.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2022 14:17 utc | 58

Ukr is boring. When is the strike on Finland happening?
They've asked for weapons from nato, including nukes, to be deployed on their land. I mean, US put the puppets in Finland to ask for nato deployment, you get the idea.
I also heard they're proud of their bomb shelter in Helsinki, apparently it has footbal fields or something like that and the whole city can party there. When is the party starting?

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 14:22 utc | 59

I took a closer look at the map. I was being overly optimistic. They are still over 20 k from Bakhmut, which means they have only advanced 30 to 40 klicks in 10 days.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jul 12 2022 14:31 utc | 60

I find the premise of this “issue” particularly absurd.

Not only is the US the largest arms manufacturer on the planet, but also it brags about all of the advanced weapons it uses to kill Russians. Additionally, it is highly likely the diesel that is used to run the mobile launchers and tanks is Russian oil, and the metals used in the rockets are made from Russian metals.

This is a multipolar global economy, even if the crazies in DC think they are the owners of the planet. The only reason they can get away with it is that they own the western media.

The entire theme is a product of supreme idiocracy.

Posted by: Michael.j | Jul 12 2022 14:38 utc | 61

This must be more of the top secret US intelegence-that-may-not-actually-be-true that Biden and Blinkey are releasing to confound Russia and in the interest of transparency.

Posted by: C | Jul 12 2022 14:38 utc | 62

The Counterpunch story about Carpathian deforestation is alarming, and I had heard nothing at all about it. In fact, stories of the Ukraine's internal economy are absent from the MSM or even alternate commentary. It seems that the Ukrainians are busy raping their country's resources in order to pay for their blighted economy and warmongering.
I have read that the Ukraine is the most corrupt, the poorest country in Europe. Yet, Ukrainian boosters on Twitter often brag about their prosperity. I would like to know the real story.
I also know that after 1991, the new Ukraine was captured by a set of oligarchs and Ukraine's politics since have reflected a battle of the Big Dogs. Apparently, most of these are Russophobes and we know that Kolomoyskyi is a major funder of both Zelensky and the Azov Regiment. I wonder what happens to their holdings in Russian occupied territory, in the Donbas, et al, or what will happen to them if Russia captures all of the Ukraine. Perhaps the greatest benefit of this war will be the elimination of oligarchs.

Posted by: Tedder | Jul 12 2022 14:40 utc | 63

This seems like Israeli propaganda, to try and mobilize the decrepit West to push for further sanctions on Iran. Russia can supply its own weapons, since they are mostly using artillery shells that are cheaper than dirt.

The sanctions regime views this war as a golden ticket to sanction everyone they always wanted, as long as they can spin a story of the country assisting Russia with the war.

Posted by: Furk | Jul 12 2022 14:43 utc | 64

I wonder what happens to their holdings in Russian occupied territory, in the Donbas, et al, or what will happen to them if Russia captures all of the Ukraine. Perhaps the greatest benefit of this war will be the elimination of oligarchs.

Posted by: Tedder | Jul 12 2022 14:40 utc | 63

A "rotation" of oligarchs is more likely. Recall that Kolomoisky and Poroshenko were at odds for most of his term as President. I am certain the Kolomoisky is internationally diversified, so that he still has billions even if he loses all his Ukrainian assets.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jul 12 2022 14:47 utc | 65

Just more Washington Lies so they can begin Extending the Broad Number of Anti-Russian Sanctions Schemes upon CHN and IRN.

Why? So the H8 Hegemony(Greater_ISR+G7Vassals) can Rule the World with their Money, Corporations, Energy Trade, and Militaries. CHN, RUS, and IRN will enable the Non-Aligned Nation-States Alternative Opportunities to Trade and Feed Themselves.

Posted by: IronForge | Jul 12 2022 14:53 utc | 66

This must be more of the top secret US intelegence-that-may-not-actually-be-true that Biden and Blinkey are releasing to confound Russia and in the interest of transparency.
Posted by: C | Jul 12 2022 14:38 utc | 62

My thoughts exactly.
https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/us-officials-admit-theyre-literally-just-lying-to-the-public-about-russia-c10743fbee22

Posted by: DocHollywood | Jul 12 2022 14:56 utc | 67

A drone is anything from a $39.95 quadcopter to an RQ-4 Global Hawk at above $200 million. The little one I just searched (first hit) included a camera and would be very useful for recon and spotting. There are abundant videos of Russian troops using that type of cheap commercial quadcopter.

The headline about Iranian drones says next to nothing. Russia could buy commercial quadcopters from Amazon or Alibaba and entirely possible it ships from Iran.

Military procurement in US automatically means bloated oversize crap at high prices. Russia can make what they need or buy it from any vendor they are comfortable with.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 12 2022 15:13 utc | 68

@ostro #39
Medvedev has it correct: euro parity with the dollar means $100+ oil prices today are 17% more expensive for euro countries than the market price for oil 1 year ago.

As I've noted before: in contrast during 2008 - the last peak oil price period - the euro was $1.57. Or in other words, relative oil price for Europe was decreased by 14.5% vs. July 2007.

Europe is placing itself in the role of "foreign enrichment source in times of need" which the 3rd world used to occupy: rising interest rates in the US and EU used to suck capital out of the 3rd world during economic crisis, leading to liquidity failures that fed into asset fire sales and reduced commodity prices.

Today - we are seeing a test of whether the ROW can outbid the US/EU for the insufficient supply of commodities, a test which used to be a slam dunk win for the 1st world. But the matchup isn't a Premier League top 3 team vs. a regional team anymore; the relative GDPs are equal.

Posted by: c1ue | Jul 12 2022 15:15 utc | 69

...from my days in the Vietnam/Indo-China war...

Posted by: Wobblie | Jul 12 2022 14:02 utc | 56
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So, you are one of those, who went to Vietnam on a safari to kill the natives...

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 15:15 utc | 70

"Romania imports about 80% of food if I remember correctly, they even import bread from Hungary."

Romania and Hungary seem to have similar levels of grain surplus, Romania produces 31 million tons of grain yearly (2018) for 19 million people, Hungary 14 million tons for 10 million people. I would guess that the fruit and vegetable situation is as good as in Poland. Personally, I live in USA and I eat bread from Germany etc., so Hungarian export to Romania is definitely possible, but I doubt it is a necessity

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 12 2022 15:21 utc | 71

@Posted by: c1ue | Jul 12 2022 15:15 utc | 69

"Today - we are seeing a test of whether the ROW can outbid the US/EU for the insufficient supply of commodities, a test which used to be a slam dunk win for the 1st world. But the matchup isn't a Premier League top 3 team vs. a regional team anymore; the relative GDPs are equal."

Another viewpoint is to look at the marginal benefit of a barrel of oil to each country. For industrializing countries, they are working through the low hanging fruit of high payback uses of oil while the very rich countries are much closer to the marginal negative benefit of the usage of an incremental barrel of oil. When nations are really poor they simply cannot afford that marginal barrel, but as they industrialize and become middle-income they may be able to outbid the West.

One complication is that China, which should be able to outbid the West, is rapidly moving to EVs which may free up some of those marginal barrels. With Chinese manufacturers rapidly moving out to the ASEAN market that may also facilitate the fastest growing nations to move to EVs, bypassing the internal combustion engine phase. Then the marginal competition will be over the marginal amount of electricity, predominantly produced with coal and natural gas. Offsetting that is an increasing use of plastics and other petrochemical outputs, but is not on the same scale as rod transport demand.

Posted by: Roger | Jul 12 2022 15:31 utc | 72

I hope Iran is sending military hardware to Russia that Russia needs in exchange for Russian hypersonic missiles Iran can use against Israel or the USA.

Posted by: Chas | Jul 12 2022 15:32 utc | 73

- Maria Zakharova

Posted by: ostro | Jul 12 2022 13:21 utc | 40

Reading that post made me ponder wistfully that if Americans in general had even 1/10 of the perspective on the US government that Ms. Zakharova has...

Posted by: David Levin | Jul 12 2022 16:03 utc | 74

Maybe there are political implication that I don't follow, but I don't know what the big deal is. It would be great if Iran would send drones to Russia, as it seems drones are not the best part of the Russian army.

Maybe they don't want to give the idea that Russia is struggling, but, regardless, I do hope that Iran does send the drones, even if both parties won't admit it.

Posted by: Pobeda | Jul 12 2022 16:09 utc | 75

Wang Yi, China's FM, has delivered a speech at the ASEAN Secretariat where he was later asked to explain "the root cause" of the Taiwan issue:

The Taiwan question is at the core of China's core interests and the one-China principle is the mainstay of stabilizing the Taiwan Straits, emphasized Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Monday at ASEAN Secretariat, when asked about the root cause of the current tension across the Taiwan Straits.

Wang clarified by saying that the essence of the status quo is that the two sides of the Taiwan Straits belong to one China and that China's national sovereignty and territorial integrity have never been divided despite the long-standing political confrontation across the Straits.

"The status quo has never and will not change. It is exactly the island's Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) authorities and some external forces who are challenging and trying to change the status quo," Wang noted.

The situation across the Taiwan Straits depends on whether the one-China principle is fully recognized and earnestly followed, said Wang, pointing out that the underlying cause of the current tension is that the island's DPP authorities have abandoned the one-China principle embodied by the 1992 Consensus.

At the same time, the US is trying to twist and hollow out the one-China principle to contain China's development, said Wang, urging once more the US to preserve China's sovereignty and territorial integrity on the Taiwan region.

"The US has recently said many times that it will protect every country's sovereignty and territorial integrity. We approve of such position and hope the US will keep their word, avoiding double standards" Wang noted. [My Emphasis]

As for the speech's content:

In the meantime, Wang said that the world today is not peaceful and there are two completely different trends on the future of Asia. Therefore, all countries in the region should make a choice between openness or isolation, cooperation or confrontation, solidarity or division, progress or regression.

Wang put forward four points regarding open regionalism based on the challenges and opportunities.

First, relevant countries should always uphold the concept of peaceful coexistence and should never allow any attempt to extend geopolitical conflicts or bloc confrontations to Asia, nor wish to see any sanction, blockade or humanitarian crisis here.

Second, countries in the region should always uphold the goal of development and rejuvenation, which means that China and ASEAN countries should together defend the multilateral trading regime with the World Trade Organization as the cornerstone, ensure a free and open global market, and promote integrated economic development.

Wang also said that it is necessary to continue to uphold independence, respect each other's sovereignty and core interests, and respect the integrity, independence and leading role of ASEAN as a community to insulate the region from geopolitical calculations and the trap of the law of the jungle, from being used as pawns in major-power rivalry, and from coercion by hegemony and bullying.

Moreover, it is necessary to promote harmony without uniformity, embrace diversity in coexistence and reject the attempt to split the region into confrontational or exclusive groups, Wang remarked. [My Emphasis]

IMO, it's hilarious that China, Russia, and the Global South as a whole have snatched the WTO from the Outlaw US Empire and made it their own institution, essentially turning it 180 degrees from a hegemonic tool to a tool of genuine fair trade.

It's been very educational to observe how China and Russia work as a tag-team in their confrontation with the Outlaw US Empire. I just finished reading the free preview of Lessons Not Learned, which was suggested by Martyanov and centers on the USN but ought to be expanded and applied to the entire USG going back to LBJ. Silly propaganda crap of the sort b dissected above is utterly useless, a lesson that should have been learned back in the 1960s--it melts into a blob of puke as soon as the first drop of water from the tears of mirth it prompts touches its prose.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 12 2022 16:12 utc | 76

other than whatever info they got from downing and reverse engineering that US drone a few years back, i'd have never put "iran" and "drones" together. i'm usre they use them for recon and such but as said here, russia makes its own and if they needed advice i'm sure china would be the first call they made.

the talk of "drone swarms" made me think of this and this. that kind of precision in a war environment would be interesting.

but yeah...they're just running out of reasons to bitch about iran and need to appease their journalist killing handlers in tel aviv and riyadh. so transparent.

Posted by: the pair | Jul 12 2022 16:13 utc | 77

Iran would benefit greatly from deploying assets in an active theater, so as to calibrate electronics for a potential regional conflict

Posted by: strontium-90 | Jul 12 2022 16:18 utc | 78

Posted by: Mjh | Jul 12 2022 11:34 utc | 20

I used to visit CounterPunch when Cockburn was still alive, I enjoyed very much his "tomberelles" section when he rightfully condemned to the guillotine the numerous western phony words and concepts that have distorted not only the english language but others as well due to its colonizing power amongst journos always looking for better employment if any at all.

So it took a couple of minutes to find out his Russian sources, some Pavel Luzin in a site called https://ridl.io/ financed by Kennan Institute and Wilson Center, if its list of experts is checked in the Russian language section half of them are marked as foreign agents, meaning grants in U$ paper, a fifth column dump. Voices are getting louder about clipping the wings of such "experts", their time is coming since the SMO is slowly turning into war with NATO. So of course I did not waste half an hour watching that CounterPunch video, it is like a frozen pizza, a Russian "expert" that receives instructions from the US translated into English and then interpreted by some guy that gets posted in CounterPunch, there is nothing fresh or alive in it, plain junk food and I'm used to the Mediterranean diet, today fresh sardines grilled with roasted salad, a small glass of tinto wine and fresh bread, no frozen junk for me, than you.

Posted by: Paco | Jul 12 2022 16:33 utc | 79

"Also most of Iran's drones are rudimentary. These are not Bayraktars and would be of little value."

Umm, no. I wonder if anyone here remembers that Iran spoofed an advanced drone to land in Iran from Afghanistan.
Iran released the reverse-engineered video from it too.
China and Russia have been vying for influence for the technology that that drone held.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 12 2022 16:41 utc | 80

utilizing ML (Machine Learning)
@Christian J. Chuba | Jul 12 2022 14:09 utc | 57

There is no learning in ML. Instead there is a priori training from a human oracle, that designs the training and grades the learning.

Hopefully the defeat of Western thinking in Ukraine brings with it a new AI Winter.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 12 2022 14:17 utc | 58

According to this wikipedia article, machine learning can be "unsupervised" (that is, without a human "trainer" or "labels" for the data). But there doesn't seem to be a universally accepted classification tree of techniques in intelligent computing (for want of a better term).

Posted by: David Levin | Jul 12 2022 16:45 utc | 81

BRICS setting up a reserve currency doesn't sound workable. But why not a virtual reserve currency?
They would set up a SWIFT - like institution that does barter and currency swaps by the hour/day. Suppose I need yuan and you need rupees. BRICS nations could go to a central exchange and swap currency by computer - maybe even blockchain. In this way, nobody holds much of any currency in reserve. And nobody has to run huge trade deficits such as the US does.

I am curious as to why China hasn't done much of anything with digital yuan. The opportunities must be enormous but they don't seem to be in any hurry.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 12 2022 16:59 utc | 82

Should Russia decide to purchase Iranian or Chinese arms/weapons then so what?

If these systems compliment existing systems then no problem, however, I doubt there's any necessity to do so.

If the US-ZATO are looking for a reason to 'sanction more' then go ahead, it's a futile exercise.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jul 12 2022 17:01 utc | 83

The real significance of the Iran drone story is that it is an example of reflexive zionism: Sullivan uses every opportunity to suggest that Iran is doing wrong because it all helps boost the Israeli case for attacking Iran.
Sullivan might as well be working in Tel Aviv.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 12 2022 13:36 utc | 47

Disagreed. The only thing that an attack from the apartheid state on Iran would do is to get the war started. Nothing else.
Do you think such a significant decision would outsourced to the pipsqueak?

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jul 12 2022 17:09 utc | 84

The intensely absurd stunt double pretending to be somebody's president is not one.
Neither he, nor any of his little friends, are legitimate representatives of the United States of America.
Their behavior is criminal, and does not reflect the will of the American People in any way whatsoever.

Posted by: Josh | Jul 12 2022 17:11 utc | 85

If anyone bothers to study warfare in Ukraine you would see these advances are on par with the 1914-1918 war.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jul 12 2022 14:02 utc | 56

To sensibly compare rates of distance advanced in various conflicts would require considering the degree that the respective advancers attempt to preserve civilian lives and infrastructure, the battle tactics of the enemy, etc. Rate of distance advanced considered in isolation is hardly a valid measure of effectiveness.

Posted by: David Levin | Jul 12 2022 17:12 utc | 86

Iran aiding Russia's war efforts in Ukraine with the latest high-tech weaponry. Gadzooks. I will guarantee that sooner or later the next story will be how North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela are all providing critical aid to Russia's war efforts.
The senility of our ruling class extends far beyond Joe Biden, sadly for us all.

Posted by: Daniel N. White | Jul 12 2022 17:24 utc | 87

USA should have said "Iranian drones are made to Russia's specifications with Trump's money to kill civilians" to be more consistent with the propaganda.

Posted by: David Parsons | Jul 12 2022 17:34 utc | 88

@Wobblie | Jul 12 2022 14:02 utc | 56
"5 months into this war and the Russian military has failed to achieve any of the strategic goals the SMO was supposed to achieve."

I guess stopping NATO in Ukraine, killing 50k NATO trained soldiers, destroying more tanks+armored vehicles than the sum of the rest of Europe, humiliating Azov nazis in Mariupol, conquering 100% of Lugansk, 95% of Kherson, 80% of Zaporoje, 60% of Donetsk, 35% of Kharkiv, forcing western leaders to recognize the total failure of sanctions and total failure of the "plan to defeat Russia on the ground", and then make USA/NATO/EU leaders say "please, Putin, sign a peace agreement and get what land concessions you want from Ukraine", be so sure of victory that rebuild already started in the liberated areas, and all this with just a limited operation with a fraction of Russia's military forces, now all of this means "nothing"...

It must be really hard to cope nowadays, if a person has an imperialist point of view, specially after all the defeats in Afghanistan, Syria, etc, and having to deal with smal american countries saying "f*ck you" on POTUS face during the Americas Summit.

I guess this is also the other reason why western "free" MainStreamMedia has to lie and manipulate so much: in order to help their viewers to cope with reality. Otherwise, by now, mental institutions wouldn't be able to handle so many new patients in a catatonic state, and not even big pharma would be able to produce so many anti-depression pills.

And just imagine the shock of calling itself a "democrat", but ending up siding up with the most corrupt oligarchy turned into a dictatorship in a bloody Far-Right coup with foreign intervention, and an army full of Nazis that killed +14 thousand people in order to avoid the Human Right of Selfdetermination, aka Independence.
And imagine having to follow the narrative of the "thought police" into criticizing the liberation and de facto independence of a people (in Lugansk Republic) during the 4th of July...

There's not enough cope energy in the entire universe to be able to handle all this. Therefore, "Russian military has failed to achieve any of the strategic goals the SMO", "Russian McDonals ran out of potatoes", "Afghanistan was not our fault", "the inflation is just temporary", and all it takes is to wave a rainbow flag or to wear a red hat to "make america great again". It's so much easier to cope this way, instead of handling reality.

Next step: a fat WALL-E society online 24/7 looking at VR screens that only show what the "Ministry of Truth" allows, and where the comercial breaks repeat ad nauseam: Brawndo's Got What Plants Crave...

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jul 12 2022 18:25 utc | 89

“Clearly, and in my view, most unfortunately, there are not many Americans who revel in spending a weekend immersing themselves in the history of the building of our nation. As a country, we have turned to sound bites and cartoons, memes, and synopses, all of which are easily adapted to, and reinforce, our prejudices and short attention spans.
I would argue that this reality is potentially deadly for our nation. Without understanding our history in depth, in all its messy, imperfect, but yet inspiring details, we have little hope of fulfilling the promise of perfecting our Union. In addition, studying Hamilton’s economic vision and work in depth is essential to our getting back on the track of economic progress at home and abroad, as I outline in my book Hamilton Versus Wall Street.
Hopefully my description here will help goad more people into delving further into the study of the Founding Era, where they will take seriously the ideals and struggles, as well as the flaws and mistakes, of those who established the United States. As we approach the 250th anniversary of our Declaration of Independence, in the midst of culture wars that threaten to tear us apart, I believe it is desperately urgent that we do so.”
https://americansystemnow.com/why-we-should-celebrate-hamilton-in-2022/#_ftn8


Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | Jul 12 2022 18:41 utc | 90

Posted by: bevin | Jul 12 2022 13:36 utc | 47

The real significance of the Iran drone story is that it is an example of reflexive zionism: Sullivan uses every opportunity to suggest that Iran is doing wrong because it all helps boost the Israeli case for attacking Iran.
Sullivan might as well be working in Tel Aviv.

how about an opportunistic story to remind the 3 second memory audience that, sure Russia is bad and all, but hey folks, let's not forget about Iran? The idea being that bad + bad = way badder.

Isn't the US president on a middle eastern tour at the moment? I'm going to hazard a guess that Iran will be one of the main topics discussed. Any hardening of policy would be preceded by some kind of narrative preparation.

In any case, the keywords are Russia Russia Russia, Iran, Russia Russia. And China too.

Posted by: robin | Jul 12 2022 18:49 utc | 91

@David Levin | Jul 12 2022 17:12 utc | 86

Just ignore trolls. Some are sincerely stupid, others are paid

Posted by: rk | Jul 12 2022 19:04 utc | 92

rt is reporting on this. i forget the name of the iranian who is commenting. i will listen to this hours news and get it. he said that iran has every right to sell drones to russia.

and that putin is visiting iran soon.

so maybe still a possibility. i would welcome such help and also with surveillance.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jul 12 2022 19:22 utc | 93

Iranian commentator: Foad Izadi from the University of Tehran on selling drones to Russia. RT

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jul 12 2022 19:28 utc | 94

Elijah Magnier is well connected and seems to confirm drone deliveries from Iran to Russia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1546721841145909250

Posted by: Jack | Jul 12 2022 19:31 utc | 95

5

What do you mean by fake Chinese parts?

I hope you are not referring to quality because Chinese parts are of good quality these days. China manufactures its own planes, even a space station. They know how important reliability is...

The image of low quality is an outdated myth, based on racist sinophobia deliberately spread by the West.

Posted by: Nico | Jul 12 2022 19:37 utc | 96

Iran a founding member of the UN has been tarred as a bad guy by the US for decades Iran trades with Russia and China, and defends itself against Israel and Saudi Arabia, both see Iran as a threat and the US backs Israel and Saudi Arabia's stance on that.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 12 2022 12:49 utc | 34

Irony for tankies. Of course Iran immediately joined UN since fucking Russians, as usual, decided to occupy yet more territory of a neighboring nation. And it was US and Eisenhower that forced the inbred mongoloian-vikings back to "mother russia".

History for the clueless.

Posted by: zereshk | Jul 12 2022 19:41 utc | 97

AP resurrectd their feature Ukranian hero, Yuliia Paievska (stage name "Taira"). Taira last appeared in a gloss story, braced by the collection of BUCHA atrocities, although she wasn't working that locale. She reportedly was in Mariupol offering triage to Russian POWs--against her better judgment, wracked by professional and patriotic loyalties.

Famed Ukrainian medic describes 'hell' of Russian captivity

Taira, had recorded more than 256 gigabytes of harrowing bodycam footage showing her team’s efforts to save the wounded in the besieged city of Mariupol. She got the footage to Associated Press journalists, the last international team in Mariupol, on a tiny data card.
memorable modus operandi
The journalists fled the city on March 15 with the [tiny] card embedded inside a tampon, carrying it through 15 Russian checkpoints. The next day, Taira was taken by pro-Russia forces.
uh huh
Three months passed before she emerged on June 17, thin and haggard, her athlete’s body more than 10 kilograms (22 pounds) [and "a tiny data card"] lighter from lack of nourishment and activity. She said the AP report that showed her caring for Russian and Ukrainian soldiers alike [THREE MONTHS AGO], along with civilians of Mariupol, was critical to her release.
probably not. More likely, another low-value POW who made the cut in prisoner exchange.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jul 12 2022 20:12 utc | 98

@ 21, 31, 49, 63, and perhaps others

I don't know the current land use changes going on in the Romanian and Ukrainian Carpathians in terms of mountain forest cutting but for Romania it wouldn't be the first time this happened to pay off foreign bills. In 2017, I peer reviewed the manuscript that became this Remote Sensing of Environment article, "Widespread forest cutting in the aftermath of World War II captured by historical Corona spy satellite imagery". In that case, the Romanians were paying back the Soviet Union for war repatriations for being on the German side. Timberland cut over in the 1950s and early 1960s would be harvestable again nowadays, depending on how the forests regrew. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0034425717304844

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jul 12 2022 20:15 utc | 99

I posted this AP article in yesterday's Ukraine thread. Thanks for giving it the debunking it deserved, b.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 12 2022 20:16 utc | 100

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