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July 20, 2022
Lavrov – Extended Range Weapons In Ukraine Will Lead To More Loss Of Its Land

Today the foreign minister of the Russian Federation, Sergei Lavrov, announced the extension of the land in Ukraine that Russia intends to capture.

It will depend on the maximum weapon range of the systems the Ukraine will have under its control.

Via RIA Novosti (machine translation):

Lavrov: deliveries of long-range weapons to Kyiv will expand the geography of the special operation

MOSCOW, July 20 – RIA Novosti. If Ukraine receives long-range weapons from Western countries, then the geographical tasks of the special operation of the Russian troops will change, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of RT and the Rossiya Segodnya media group.

"The President said very clearly, as you quoted him – denazification, demilitarization in the sense that there are no threats to our security, military threats from the territory of Ukraine, this task remains," the minister stressed.

At the same time, he recalled that during the meeting of the negotiators in Istanbul at the end of March, the situation on this issue was significantly different.

"Now the geography is different. It is far from being only the DPR and LPR, it is also the Kherson region, the Zaporozhye region and a number of other territories, and this process continues, and continues consistently and persistently," the head of Russian diplomacy added.

He pointed out that as the West, in impotent rage or in a desire to make the situation as bad as possible, pumps more and more long-range weapons into Ukraine, for example, HIMARS, the geographical objectives of the special operation will move even further from the current line.

“Because we cannot allow the part of Ukraine that Zelensky will control or whoever replaces him to have weapons that will pose a direct threat to our territory and the territory of those republics that have declared their independence, those who want their future decide for yourself," he concluded.

Note to Washington: If you deliver HIMARS missile to Ukraine with an extended (300km instead of 80km) range, Russia will have to move further into Ukraine to secure its own and the Donbas republics borders.

This comes after calls in Ukraine to hit the bridge over the Kerch street that connects Crimea with Russia with extended range HIMARS missiles. The nearest point of the area which the Ukraine still holds is some 260 kilometer away from the bridge.


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There are also rumors that the Ukraine has already received such missiles. Via Naked Capitalism:

Zelensky Orders Troops to Hold Siversk Despite Heavy Losses, Purges More Officials; Putin in Tehran – Alexander Mercouris.

Note in particular starting at 10:10, Mercouris reports that DPR official Eduard Barsurin has stated that Ukraine has received the 300 km missiles for the HIMARS. Ukraine has made clear it intends to hit targets in Crimea, which Russia regards as Russian territory, particularly the Kerch bridge. Mercouris thinks it would take an awful lot of missiles to do that, as in more than Ukraine has now, but any strikes at Crimea would lead to very forceful retaliation by Russia. Ukraine is smoking something strong if it thinks that will lead the West to do meaningfully more for Ukraine than it is doing now.

Mercouris is wrong when he claims that the long range HIMARS missile would only have a small warhead as it must be fired out of one of the 6 tubes of the regular HIMARS canister. The long range missile is the ATACMS. It comes in a different canister which has only one tube for a missile with a diameter of 610 mm. It can be fired by all systems that usually fire the 6 missile canister.


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The version of the MFM-140 ATACMS missile that would most likely be used is the M57 (ATACMS TACMS 2000):

It carries the 500 lb WDU-18/B penetrating high explosive blast fragmentation warhead of the US Navy's Harpoon anti-ship missile, which was redesignated as WAU-23/B when used in ATACMS.

It is not the ideal warhead to attack a hard target but it is significant enough to at least heavily damage the Kerch bridge.

If it should be used Ukraine will lose all land that is within 300 kilometer of Crimea, the Donbas and Luhansk oblasts and Ukraine's northern border with Russia. Odessa is only 180 kilometer from Crimea and Kiev some 200 kilometer from the nearest Russian border. If we take Lavrov's words seriously those cities would come under Russian occupation should an extended range HIMARS missile be used.

Lavrov named several Ukrainian oblasts that are already on Russia's wish list:

It is far from being only the DPR and LPR, it is also the Kherson region, the Zaporozhye region and a number of other territories, ..

The number of other territories will have to include the Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts to protect the border of Donetsk and Luhansk from longer reaching weapons. Mykolaiv and Odessa may have to be taken to protect Russia's oil and gas installations west of Crimea. The Ukraine has already attacked those with longer range weapons.


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If I were a Ukrainian decision maker I would take Lavrov's threat very seriously.

The longest reaching weapon that the U.S. and Great Britain have delivered to Ukraine so far is the Harpoon anti ship missile with a range of 124 kilometer which is near to the 120 kilometer range that Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles have. The Russian defense ministry had previously claimed that at least two Harpoon launchers had been destroyed. According to its daily report another one was eliminated yesterday near Usatovo in the Odessa Region.

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Posted by: DonMidwestt | Jul 21 2022 1:18 utc | 204
150K views? gosh how impressive!
Population of Planet Earth nearly 8 billion.

Posted by: K | Jul 21 2022 1:41 utc | 201

OT. Not really. The essential description of the Siemens turbine mess-up.
BHADRAKUMAR: https://www.indianpunchline.com/russia-teaches-europe-abc-of-gas-trade/

Posted by: almost anyone | Jul 21 2022 1:44 utc | 202

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jul 20 2022 16:01 utc | 54
“The UkroNazis are now too strong/implanted in the system, and can avoid any popular unrest. But if the unrest comes from the military, now being treated by Zelensky as cannon fodder for his anglo-saxon friends’ ambitions, then not even the Azov/Aidar/RightSektor/etc in the higher positions of the regime (ex: in the National Guard and SBU) will be able to stop it.
I imagine then (by September maybe) that Ukraine will the Zelensky arrested/assassinated and the head of the military will be the interin President.”
As per my excerpts in #67 unseating the militarized compradors is going to be a key nut to crack so that people can rise up to demand change at which point any military coup you are predicting in that great post can be legitimate and fruitful.
Looks to me that they will have to subdue everything between and including Kiev to Odessa and Transnistria after which, as you say, Galicia will have to be slowly neutralized and turned into a buffer zone.
Moral force is going to count as much as military in that without significant buy-in by the relevant resident populations along with leadership and economic crises in the West driving all this it will be a huge lift for military alone.
A lot is going to unravel in the West this winter to the point that they are going to lose so much international and domestic face that they will finally begin to capitulate and return to humanity which will doubtless involve a protracted period of internal navel-gazing amidst turmoil.
That said, seemingly the Western elites are into pushing an engineered collapse to effect their desired oligarch-run techno fascist Reset. It remains to be seen if it plays out according to their scripts.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jul 21 2022 2:05 utc | 203

@Ed Nelson, I couldn’t disagree more. The entire history of Ukraine from 2013-present is one of Russian interference in the same ways that have absolutely infuriated critics of US imperialism over the years. Russia launched a trade war against Ukraine and pressured Yanukovych to drop out of the Association Agreement with the EU – economic warfare to maintain an imperial sphere of influence. People in Kyiv and western Ukraine were furious at having the rug pulled out from under them. Instead of the future they were hoping for of greater prosperity for their children’s generation as part of the EU, they were going to get turned into another Belarus. They took to the streets, police responded with violence, activists were shot, kidnapped, tortured by police, and things escalated. “Ultras” on both sides fought in the streets and died on both sides. Ultimately Yanukovych’s position was untenable and he bailed. People that I know in Kyiv needed zero encouragement to take to the streets and risking their lives for a better future night after night remains one of the proudest things they’ve done.
But even if you don’t believe any of that and think it was all a big CIA op, it doesn’t matter. Ukraine isn’t Russia. Russia had no justification to seize Crimea, and the decision to flood Donbas with weapons and install military leaders from the FSB to fulfill their imperial visions of “Novorossiya” was vile. It was the same technique of destabilizing a country to punish them for choosing the “wrong” leadership that the US has infamously done over and over in South America and elsewhere. And just like the US, Russia lied about it all along, to the point of pretending their troops captured in battle had wandered across the border by mistake. The LDNR “republics” suffered greatly as a result from war, mismanagement, loss of economic opportunity and the disappearances etc. of those who dissented. The separatist republics turned in reality into the thugocracy that some people around here who have never visited Ukraine imagine the rest of the country to be.
Of course, you can choose to believe that Russia simply has a deep respect for self-determination of any people that which to secede from their country. I think you’d find it a challenge to identify any consistency with that principle and either Chechen War. Russia leveled Grozny to the ground to bring it to heel. Ichkeria had held elections, too.
Or perhaps you buy that Russia felt a genuine need to protect the citizens of Donbas. Sweeping young LDNR men off the street to use as cannon fodder in Mariupol with hardly any training while relying only on contract soldiers, mercenaries and volunteers in your own ranks is certainly an odd way to do that, and Russia has easily killed far more civilians just in the areas that it’s “liberated” in 4 months than Ukraine did in 8 years. And for the record, I believe that some of Ukraine’s shelling of Donetsk city during that time constitutes war crimes.

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 21 2022 2:15 utc | 204

Almost anyone @206
Thanks for the Punchline link. The two previous articles are quite interesting as well.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jul 21 2022 2:29 utc | 205

This is another victory for the Empire in its Dollar War in Ukraine. Expanding the war, forcing Russia to conquer and hold lots more destroyed corrupt unstable territory. The US can always provide long-distance weapons to more and more people at the edges of Russian controlled territory.

Posted by: Jim Given | Jul 21 2022 3:19 utc | 206

@ the pessimist | Jul 21 2022 0:57 utc | 196
sorry.. i went out right after i posted that~! yes – i am not sure what is going on with all of that.. i guess we will have to wait and see how it develops.. i was looking at some pictures of that bridge that is being shot out and which may no longer exist…long bridge – about a mile long.. Antonovskiy Bridge.. you can look at the pictures of it on google maps… i like indian punchline articles.. i haven’t had time to read them and have been tied up today.. cheers…

Posted by: james | Jul 21 2022 3:22 utc | 207

When one is consumed by…such hate… Towards humans… only then is he is truly useful, for the darkness that is a part of all of us.
“Russia has easily killed far more civilians just in the areas that it’s “liberated” in 4 months than Ukraine did in 8 years. And for the record, I believe that some of Ukraine’s shelling of Donetsk city during that time constitutes war crimes.”
For this guy to spew such anger that it consumes himself… i know a lot of you stand passionately about ur experiences and stances but learn to forgive. Lest your stances harden your perceptions to the point of blindness, this has always been the issue with knowledge.

Posted by: Jason | Jul 21 2022 3:34 utc | 208

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 21 2022 2:15 utc | 208
> Russia had no justification to seize Crimea,
In your opinion. In mine it had. Way more than the US seizing Hawaii 100 years ago, Kosovo 25 years ago or Eastern Syria 8 years ago. Crimea was part of Russia before, Russian people live in Crimea, and they wanted to join Russia. Good enough.
Hawaii, Kosovo, Syria, just look on the map where are those places relative to the US. What the hell?
> and the decision to flood Donbas with weapons and install military leaders from the FSB to fulfill their imperial visions of “Novorossiya” was vile.
In your opinion again. In mine, it was too timid, hesitant and gingerly. Finally it decided to act, thanks God.
> Ukraine isn’t Russia.
Well, it used to be in the past. And it will be again.

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 21 2022 3:41 utc | 209

I wonder if the general public in the west is aware that the blowback from sending arms to Ukraine will last for many years after the war finishes?
Reports are that the Ukrainians were firing 500 shoulder launched missiles/day. How accurate are these reports? Maybe 500 were checked out from the stockpiles but were they all fired or were some diverted? Of course there is no way of knowing how many were diverted as soon as they entered Ukraine or how many in the stockpiles were diverted by the quartermasters.
Point is there could have been tens of thousands of manpads diverted to the black market and now spreading anywhere in the world that warlords, drug dealers, arms merchants, common criminals and terrorists are.
They will be everywhere and anywhere and nobody will know when or where they might be used.
A terrorist might shoot down a commercial airliner, a revolutionary might target a politicians private jet or armoured car. A gas futures market trader might blow up a LNG tanker ( bet a few traders made/lost fortunes the minute that LNG terminal in the US was damaged). So who here will risk flying once a few planes are shot down? There goes the airline industry.

Posted by: Neal | Jul 21 2022 3:55 utc | 210

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 21 2022 2:15 utc | 208
Crimea became part of the Russian Empire in 1783. if you want to deny Russia Crimea, then you must also deny all other countries the rights to land seized by war since 1783.
So US would as a mininumum need to give up California to Mexico, Texas, Hawaii and much nore, if they purchased the territory legally then they can keep it otherwise it is no more theirs.
Draw the boundaries at say 1790 if you choose. I am sure Turkey would be happy, but not perhaps Israel.
in reality the people resident in every province should have the right to choose, by democratic referendum. this was done in Crimiea. Sure you should perhaps argue for a repeat in 2024 (10 year trial) but to deny it until then is silly. However you should also stand by and support similar referendum in Scotland, Catalonia, Texas etc.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 21 2022 3:59 utc | 211

@ LightYearsFromHome | Jul 20 2022 22:02 utc | 162
The very first Parliamentary Question PM Truss should face is how much of the popcorn eaten in is grown and processed in the UK.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jul 21 2022 4:09 utc | 212

As Emil pointed out on his channel, if you have no problems with the way Texas became part of the USA, you should have no issues with the way Donestk and Lugansk come in to the Russian Federation.

Posted by: Wester | Jul 21 2022 4:17 utc | 213

It looks like the Ukraine may be following up on its promises in Kherson. It has damaged one bridge and may have rendered it unfit for heavy traffic. It is peppering away at the only other crossing in the region at the dam.
Rocket fire: Ukraine damages important Russian supply route
I imagine that would be part of any planned future offensive.
The Russians are talking about resorting to pontoon bridges to support the area across the river. Military summary is talking about Russia fearing an offensive in the area. Not sure if the Ukies could even sustain any kind of prolonged offensive anywhere.
It could be a feign to pull troops out of the Donbass. At this point one an only swallow the bullshit, watch and wait but I do have to say the recent talk out of the US is awful. Some of the weakening of the Anglo-American alliance beyond the US and Britain is hopeful for an end to this madness.

Posted by: circumspect | Jul 21 2022 4:21 utc | 214

Actually1783 is the year Treaty of Paris ended illegal war of secession in what became USA so the rebels could seize British property. Let us not discuss Israel and its war booty or Turkey or Poland or Albania or Bangladesh or Indonesia or Morocco or Saudi Arabia
USA started war against Spain to seize Cuba and Philippines

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jul 21 2022 4:38 utc | 215

RK @123
Fuck Slow Joe and the minions he rode in on (or is it the reverse?). No one in the U.S. hinterland is going to listen to them. Only so many feds to take on the noticeable percentage of the population (even 5% is 15 million people) who will not heel for them. 500 million guns in civilian hands in the USA. Bring it on Joe baby, bring it on. It won’t be pretty…

Posted by: DakotaRog | Jul 21 2022 4:42 utc | 216

karlof1 | Jul 20 2022 18:59 utc | 114
[Ancient lizard] Kissinger] … “believes Biden is making a crucial mistake.”
Well. … I too must be a geostrategic Grandmaster.
Did Kissinger always just state the eye bleeding obvious…. Or was the Great Game more nuanced in days of yore?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 21 2022 4:52 utc | 217

Pelosi is very upset. If state dep doesn’t put Russia on terrorist list, she will do it alone

Posted by: rk | Jul 21 2022 5:26 utc | 218

Draghi is gone! So is the European unity. Next is Scholz.

Posted by: Milos | Jul 21 2022 5:49 utc | 219

“So US would as a mininumum need to give up California to Mexico, Texas, Hawaii and much nore, if they purchased the territory legally then they can keep it otherwise it is no more theirs.”
Indeed, the United States as a nation is comprised of stolen land that the American colonizers stole from the Native Indians, Hawaiians, or Mexicans–land that the USA continues to occupy today.
Woody Guthrie was dead wrong: This Land is Not Your Land.

Posted by: ak74 | Jul 21 2022 5:53 utc | 220

@ rk | Jul 21 2022 5:26 utc | 222
Pelosi’s going full Giuliani on us.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jul 21 2022 6:12 utc | 221

Posted by: rk | Jul 21 2022 5:26 utc | 222
wait what??

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 21 2022 6:27 utc | 222

come to think of it, will Great Britain lose some its territory under the new “leadership”? might that be behind the obsession with projecting power?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 21 2022 6:36 utc | 223

same with Israel and the us: need to project power to hide internal weakness and division.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 21 2022 7:03 utc | 224

madness: Pelosi is indeed telling blinken to designate russia as a terrorist state
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/20/pelosi-to-blinken-label-russia-as-terrorist-state-or-else-congress-will-00047076

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 21 2022 7:06 utc | 225

Resumed on July 21, gas supplies to Germany via Nord Stream are still going at a capacity of about 30%, reaching the planned 2.66 million cubic meters. may take several hours. This was announced by the gas pipeline operator Nord Stream AG.
According to the operator, nominations by consumers in Europe for pumping gas through Nord Stream amount to almost 2.66 million cubic meters. per hour, which is about 63.9 million cubic meters. m per day. The physical flow of the energy resource from 7:00 to 8:00 Moscow time amounted to about 1.9 million cubic meters.

-Ria Novosti
Energetic panic in the EU is still on anyway…and will be there for till the beginning of heating season, but will not end, even by February 2023…Russian roulette…😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 21 2022 7:15 utc | 226

@Milos | Jul 21 2022 5:49 utc | 223
“Next is Scholz.”
I don’t think so. Schlitz, like Macaron, are most important puppets. Schlitz is destroying Germany and US can’t have that process interrupted.
If there will be protests in France or Germany, they’ll beat the hell out of the protesters but the puppets will remain.
Macaron has the additional help of old people which decide elections there, France having a very old population with too much money, they would do anything to keep doing nothing.
During covid, his restrictions and tracking of everyone increased his popularity among old farts, they think they’re protected from death and Macaron is a hero. Remember how all French quickly went to take a pfizer when he closed coffee shops? Take away restaurants and the French will kill each other for it.
Old people are also the quickest to agree to send troops, it’s not them who will die. So Macaron is forever, Trudy is forever. If Schlitz somehow falls, another Green will simply continue. Lizzy Trussy style.

Posted by: rk | Jul 21 2022 7:22 utc | 227

madness: Pelosi is indeed telling blinken to designate russia as a terrorist state
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 21 2022 7:06 utc | 229
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How nice!
If you are living in the Empire of Lies, time to find a safe retreat somewhere else. Pelosi is giving Russia the OK to hit the US…she too is demented…😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 21 2022 7:23 utc | 228

Posted by: ostro | Jul 21 2022 7:23 utc | 232
indeed that may be behind lavrov’s recent bluster about HIMARS.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 21 2022 7:28 utc | 229

indeed that may be behind lavrov’s recent bluster about HIMARS.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 21 2022 7:28 utc | 233
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There was no “bluster” and there was no mention of himars…learn to listen to what Lavrov says, not what the fools in the American government says, or the US MSM says…sure, you’d have to learn Russian for that…😋

Posted by: ostro | Jul 21 2022 7:41 utc | 230

The Anglo-saxon time in the world is coming to an end. The former colonialists times is coming to an end. The future of the US is bleak. It is the time of the Global South!
UK will have a truss for a prime minister, who wouldn’t know, where Yorkshire is…The US demented One will be kept on life support…The EU is deteriorating…

Posted by: ostro | Jul 21 2022 7:46 utc | 231

“At least two HIMARS installations operate in the southern direction, including in the Kherson region, the rest in the Donbass, RIA Novosti source said.
The crews are manned by out-of-staff NATO military personnel guarding the MLRS associated with the Pentagon PMCs. Targeting takes place through American military satellites, while NATO does not trust the Ukrainians – only the launch time and coordinates of targets fall into their possession.”

Posted by: rk | Jul 21 2022 8:08 utc | 232

Pelosi is definitely one of todays great strategic thinkers. At the beginning of the SMO she was suggesting bombing that long Russian line of vehicles coming into Ukraine. People are often saying that the world would be a better place if it was run by women…..on the evidence we see now probably not
Ditzy Lizzy Truss……incoming.

Posted by: DaVinci | Jul 21 2022 8:14 utc | 233

Posted by: rk | Jul 21 2022 7:22 utc | 232
I give Sholz maximum three months, He will be gone before US by-election on November 8. As far as Macron is concerned, I don’t think he will stay till the one of his mandate. Rutte as well.

Posted by: Milos | Jul 21 2022 9:00 utc | 234

RT: Italian PM Draghi confirms resignation
Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi resigned on Thursday after the ruling coalition collapsed. Draghi’s government will remain as a caretaker until a new one is formed, a statement from the president’s office says.
So now there are TWO non-governments in Europe: UK and Italy. Germany next would be most fitting. And don’t forget the unelected ones in Brussels.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 21 2022 9:13 utc | 235

cia diversity hire is spreading a new fake video. It’s their own warehouse being hit by Russia in June
the same advertising they tried with turki drones using footage from Syria. now himars is being advertised.

Posted by: rk | Jul 21 2022 9:48 utc | 236

Posted by: Sam F | Jul 20 2022 15:09 utc

“With the UN SecGen prepared to mediate, the solution for Russia (?!) after taking part of the 300km buffer zone will be to convert
the buffer zone to a UN-monitored DMZ that can revert to Ukraine (?!) upon appropriate conditions after two generations. Otherwise the buffer zone is a quagmire,
as most is not majority-Russian.”

All boldfaced, italicized and (?!)-ed text is mine.
Sorry, lots of well-intentioned but wishful thinking. It ain’t gonna happen.
UN SecGen is another West-appointed marionette in West-infested UN. And Russia knows it. When all this is over nobody will take seriosly anything related to UN. And rightly so. “UN demilitarized zone” AGREED (by whom?) with Russia is just a wet dream.

Posted by: LongCovid | Jul 21 2022 11:04 utc | 237

@yenwoda #209
“…Russia launched a trade war against Ukraine and pressured Yanukovych to drop out of the Association Agreement with the EU…”
Please read what our Polish friends wrote in late 2013 to this subject:

…documents enhancing the co-operation between Russia and Ukraine…were signed during the meeting of Presidents Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych on 17 December in Moscow. The most important arrangements include the decision to offer Ukraine temporarily reduced prices of gas supplied from Russia and the declaration that Russia will buy Ukrainian Eurobonds. These preferential conditions will allow the Ukrainian government to stabilise the country’s extremely difficult economic situation within a short timeframe. Furthermore, they will provide Kyiv with good grounds to withdraw from becoming associated with the EU and to prioritise its co-operation with Russia…

So, it was neither a “trade war”, just a better offer (I read elsplace that the difference in credit interest offered by Russia was in the oder of 10 percentage points vs. the EU (lower, of course), please google yourself), neither was it “against” Ukraine, but for their advantage. You are correct, however, that it was against the interests of some ambitios hegegemons from overseas. After all, their navy had put massive efforts into restoring schools in Sewastopol, as the Ukrainian aborigines were unable to even seal the windows there. And after all, one needs a pretext to be at the place of the only warmwater sea port for the nuclear fleet of the enemy). I call that anecdote equivalent to Cuban experts engaging in health and educational services to cater to the needs of the Spanish speaking population in San Diego, CA. Who seems in dire need, indeed. And I assure you, Cuba is good in these fields.

Posted by: OttoE | Jul 21 2022 12:11 utc | 238

@Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 21 2022 2:15 utc | 209
I like your post very much. You sound sincere to me although I really don’t know your background. I have lived with people from Ukraine and Belarus for a few months. They used to speak Russian between themselves. They didn’t hold extreme opinions but they followed closely the social situation in the area. I have no idea what they would say of the current situation. They were obviously tight financially. I hope negotiations will start soon since war leads to atrociities beyond the absurd.

Posted by: Richard L | Jul 21 2022 13:44 utc | 239

@Richard L, interesting point about language. The first time I visited Kyiv was around 2016, and Russian was basically a lingua franca there. You would hear it much more than Ukrainian, all the phrases I learned were Russian except for toasting at the bar (something like “boudmya”). I think that’s changed somewhat. Also concur on the lack of extreme positions. Politically, people I know from there hold views that would fit comfortably into the mainstream in any European country. All of the “they’re all fascists” stuff is nonsense – far-right parties like Azov, Right Sector, etc. formed a bloc in 2019 but only got 2% in the 2019 vote and frozen out of parliament. To the extent those groups are tolerated or even appreciated, it’s because they were willing to fight, as volunteers, when their country was attacked.
@hopehely, well, Crimea may have a history as part of Russia, but Russia affirmed its status as Ukrainian in multiple treaties such as the ’97 Peace and Friendship Agreement.
If you take your average Russian infantryman sitting in a trench in Donbas with his unit below 50% strength, counting down the days until his contract is up and wondering if he should break an arm or leg to get sent home, I am not sure that he would be entirely heartened to hear that he should stay the course to help settle the account owed to Queen Liliuokalani.

Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 21 2022 14:25 utc | 240

October
It is not cold war. It is total hot war by England on Russia and on Europe.
Stupid Russia can not protect even herself let alone her allies
When England started l 2020
ies against Blatter because later had given to Russia the world Cup hosting, Russia did not do anything. No boycott threat.
So after sochi Russia had kick on backside by England in 2014 and since then a daily humiliation.
Still traitor FM Lavrov is licking anglo boots to hope for better relationship.
Incidently Russia never makes any effort to improve relationship with her allies! On contrary Russia backstabbed her lies like Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, in order to please her anglo partners!

Posted by: Soi | Jul 21 2022 15:51 utc | 241

MoA has graduated to having tag team trolls that compliment and talk to each other…..I’m impressed…../s

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 21 2022 16:37 utc | 242

Posted by: ostro | Jul 21 2022 7:46 utc | 235

UK will have a truss for a prime minister, who wouldn’t know, where Yorkshire is.

She went to Roundhay school in Leeds, West Yorkshire. I grew up just up the road.
Her statements re Ukraine concern me a lot more than her remain to leave conversion. If she was unable to work out for herself that remainer propaganda about brexit consequences was nonsense, her apparent inability to understand geopolitical reality with any sense of nuance or diplomatic understanding doesn’t bode well for UK or Europe this winter and beyond.

Posted by: Gt Stroller | Jul 21 2022 18:03 utc | 243

Speaking of prescient, Putin’s decision to go in with Iran on a collaboration to save Syria, back in 2015, sure looks to be paying off handsomely today.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 21 2022 20:27 utc | 244

MoA has graduated to having tag team trolls that compliment and talk to each other…..I’m impressed…../s
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 21 2022 16:37 utc | 245
It’s a tough job, you have to be smarter than an AI.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jul 21 2022 20:29 utc | 245

Sounds reasonable. I think the most they said it about the border around Donetsk.
Ukrainians tried to shot missiles at bridge in Kherson, so to slow russian suplies. Of 6 the 1 reached it’s target and didn’t mutch damage to a bridge. I don’t think bridge to Crimea would make any difference, it would be mostly a symbolic victory, so that they could boast at media. But that would be realy hard to do. Targets in Donetsk would be more easy and probable.
It’s like almoust an obsession with destruction of bridges. To stop russian army natio-analists had blown up a lot of bridges in Ukraine. OK it made movement mutch more hard. But now they will need to live without bridges in many places. Some refuge in TV said, ‘bridge was blown up, so we just left Ukraine as without bridge I can’t reach town from my home so that my buisness could not make profits’.
Ukraine – the land without Bridges.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 21 2022 21:15 utc | 246

“The UkroNazis are now too strong/implanted in the system, and can avoid any popular unrest. But if the unrest comes from the military, now being treated by Zelensky as cannon fodder for his anglo-saxon friends’ ambitions, then not even the Azov/Aidar/RightSektor/etc in the higher positions of the regime (ex: in the National Guard and SBU) will be able to stop it.
I imagine then (by September maybe) that Ukraine will the Zelensky arrested/assassinated and the head of the military will be the interin President.”

Military dictatorship would be the best for Ukraine and the only chance for peace. Mob rule just don’t works.

I wonder if the general public in the west is aware that the blowback from sending arms to Ukraine will last for many years after the war finishes?
Point is there could have been tens of thousands of manpads diverted to the black market and now spreading anywhere in the world that warlords, drug dealers, arms merchants, common criminals and terrorists are.
They will be everywhere and anywhere and nobody will know when or where they might be used.
A terrorist might shoot down a commercial airliner, a revolutionary might target a politicians private jet or armoured car. A gas futures market trader might blow up a LNG tanker ( bet a few traders made/lost fortunes the minute that LNG terminal in the US was damaged). So who here will risk flying once a few planes are shot down? There goes the airline industry.
Posted by: Neal | Jul 21 2022 3:55 utc | 213

Well before this war ukrainian generals alredy were selling arms to all kinds of militants and terrorists in middle east. Arsenals of ukrainian army often “accidentaly” ignited and were burning. I guess fire accedents in military arsenals happens only after most of arms alredy is being sold. Fire can hide any tieft. There are no other explanations of so frequent fires in ukrainian amunition storages.
Ukrainian generals alredy have contacts with weapon smuglers so it would be very easy to do.
War could hide everything. In Chechenia there were some corrupt schemes involving acts of terror, as they could hide theft.
Why ukrainian plain was carrying military arsenal from Serbia to Bangladesh with landing in Yordan? Probably real adresate was some militants in middle east.

Posted by: Alef | Jul 21 2022 21:45 utc | 247

Posted by: Richard L | Jul 21 2022 13:44 utc | 242
Posted by: yenwoda | Jul 21 2022 14:25 utc | 243
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Why don’t you guys get a room? yenwada lies when the truth would fit better. And Richard L. says: “I like your post very much. You sound sincere to me….” WTF!

Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 21 2022 22:19 utc | 248

Military Legend takes an armchair view of the state of the Ukraine fronts.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbu40cNwx2Q
Martyanov will be apoplectic and drink his entire bourbon in one shot.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 21 2022 23:38 utc | 249

It would be helpful to get your take on these Canadian Armed Forces tweets starting here: https://twitter.com/CanadianForces/status/1550210195376295938

Posted by: Rocky | Jul 22 2022 6:27 utc | 250

Russian control of Ukraine would be the SMARTEST move they ever made. I can’t imagine it. How long did it take Russia to pacify Afghanistan? Or for that matter how long did it take the US?

Posted by: M Simon | Jul 22 2022 7:35 utc | 251

Woody Guthrie was dead wrong: This Land is Not Your Land.
Posted by: ak74 | Jul 21 2022 5:53 utc | 223

We must find the original thieves and their descendants and punish them. All of them. Property is theft. Claim to ownership violates essential egalitarianism. It must be opposed against even those who claim to be original owners or their offspring. How is ownership even possible? Enforcers are required.

Posted by: M Simon | Jul 22 2022 7:54 utc | 252

Alexander Mercouris has just published a video on the topic.

As Russia Advances in Donbass Russian FM Lavrov Hints At Continued Russian Advance Across Ukraine

Note the transcript of the relevant questions in Lavrov’s interview: Odessa? Lvov?

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jul 22 2022 7:59 utc | 253

uncle tungsten | Jul 21 2022 23:38 utc | 252
The mighty west has become accustomed to safari where sandal wearing sand niggers are the trophy. Now they think this is just safari where snowshoe wearing snow niggers are the trophy.
Ukraine even though it is safari hunting snow niggers is also described as high intensity warfare with just that tiny force Russia has put into Ukraine. That guy should talk to Vucic.
The inter nut is thick with clowns like him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jul 22 2022 8:31 utc | 254

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Jul 20 2022 16:01 utc | 53 —
EXCELLENT post. I offer one more ‘provocation’ scenario:
What if Russia has information that the Himars 300 km missiles are ALREADY in Ukraine? and that the Americans are going to use it soon?
The Americans think they are clever to ship the 300s together with the shorter range missiles to catch the Russians out.
Knowing that, the Russians judo-throw the American CLEVERNESS into the trap that you outlined.
Typical American short-term thinking versus Russian chess players.
Didn’t a Russian general say that the Americans will NEVER out-think Russians?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Jul 23 2022 11:30 utc | 255