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June 9, 2022
Washington Starts Blame Game Over Defeat In Ukraine

The New York Times, here via Yahoo, has some rather weird piece over alleged lack of intelligence on Ukrainian warplanes:

U.S. Lacks a Clear Picture of Ukraine's War Strategy, Officials Say

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine has provided near-daily updates of Russia’s invasion on social media; viral video posts have shown the effectiveness of Western weapons in the hands of Ukrainian forces; and the Pentagon has regularly held briefings on developments in the war.

But despite the flow of all this news to the public, U.S. intelligence agencies have less information than they would like about Ukraine’s operations and possess a far better picture of Russia’s military, its planned operations and its successes and failures, according to current and former officials.

Governments often withhold information from the public for operational security. But these information gaps within the U.S. government could make it more difficult for the Biden administration to decide how to target military aid as it sends billions of dollars in weapons to Ukraine.

Avril D. Haines, the director of national intelligence, testified at a Senate hearing last month that “it was very hard to tell” how much additional aid Ukraine could absorb.

She added: “We have, in fact, more insight, probably, on the Russian side than we do on the Ukrainian side.”

One key question is what measures Zelenskyy intends to call for in Donbas. Ukraine faces a strategic choice there: withdraw its forces or risk having them encircled by Russia.

Andrei Martyanov rants about the piece:

Well, NYT decided to start steering clear of this whole Russia "lost in Ukraine" BS it promoted together with neocon crazies, and begins this ever familiar tune of the "intel failure". Right.

U.S. Lacks a Clear Picture of Ukraine's War Strategy, Officials Say

Hm, how about I put it bluntly–the U.S. never had clear picture on anything, especially on Russia, or, as a private case, [the Special Military Operation] and completely bought into Ukie propaganda, which shows a complete incompetence of the "intel" in the US.

The narrative on [the Special Military Operation], in reality, is dead and the failure is not being set, it already happened. It is a fait accompli no matter how one wants to put a lipstick on the pig.

Larry Johnson thinks there is another another motive behind the story:

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that there are not solid analysts at the Defense Intelligence Agency who know the answers to all these questions. The real problem may not be a lack of intelligence. Nope. It is the fear of telling the politicians hard truths they do not want to hear.

Given the billions of dollars the United States is spending on “intelligence” collection systems, it is time for the Congress and the American public to demand that the intelligence services do their damn job.

I do not believe for one moment that U.S. intelligence services do not know what is going on in Ukraine and in Kiev. They know that the Ukraine has lost the war and will have to sue for peace as soon as possible.

They also have told the White House that this is a case and that the whole idea of setting up the Ukraine to tickle the Russian bear was idiotic from the get go. The question now is who will take the blame for the outcome. Who can the buck be passed to?

There is always the option for politicians,  as Andrei assumes is the case, to blame the intelligence and the various agencies which provide it. This was done when the war on Iraq, based on false claims weapons of mass destruction, started to go bad for the U.S.

But what the NYT piece does is passing the buck from the intelligence community to president Zelensky of Ukraine: "He did not inform us about the bad position his country was in."

It is cover your ass time and Zelensky prominence in the 'west' makes it possible to blame him personally for the outcome of the war.

On May 31 the Council of Foreign Relations, with its head Richard Haass, had a public discussion about the state of the war in Ukraine. One of the participants was the former Deputy Commander of the United States European Command Stephen M. Twitty. He knows and makes absolutely clear where the war stands:

TWITTY: I think the war in the Donbas is starting to turn to the Russians’ favor, and when you take a look at—and I’m particularly talking about the eastern part of the Donbas—the Russians have transitioned from trying to pour all their combat power into the Donbas to obliterating every single town. Whether it be Rubizhne, Lyman, they’re working now on Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk as well, they’re obliterating these particular towns, and that’s how they’re making their headway. They’re not putting a bunch of combat power with infantry forces and tanks in there. They’ve taken all their artillery and they’re treating it like Mariupol and that’s how they’re making their headway. So they’re starting to make some headway in the eastern Donbas and so we have to watch that one closely.

HAASS: … Why don’t we reverse [our policies]? General Twitty, is there something that the president said? Are things we’re not doing that we should be doing? Is there things that you would recommend at this point?

TWITTY: Well, as I take a look at this, you know, Secretary Austin came out that we’re going to weaken Russia. We have not really defined what weaken means, because if you take a look at the Ukrainians right now, I take a strong belief in Colin Powell’s doctrine—you overwhelm a particular enemy with force. And right now, when you take a look at Ukraine and you take a look at Russia, they’re about one to one. The only difference is Russia has a heck of a lot of combat power than the Ukrainians.

And so there’s no way that the Ukrainians will ever destroy or defeat the Russians, and so we got to really figure out what does weaken mean in the end state here. And I will also tell you, Richard, there’s no way that the Ukrainians will ever have enough combat power to kick the Russians out of Ukraine as well, and so what does that look like in the end game.

There follows some discussion with other participants about potential outcomes the U.S. would like to see, like Ukraine in the state that it was in before 2014.

Twitty then explains why those ideas are all unrealistic and that what is needed instead are immediate negotiations:

TWITTY: Yeah. So I got a couple of things for you, Richard. So I want to go back to what you said. Pre-2014—I want you to think about that one, because I’ve had time to think about it hearing others here, and what I will tell you, Richard, you know, I learned from the National War College there’s something called ends, ways, and means.

So if that’s your end state—pre-2014—then I’m interested to hear the ways and the means because, from a military standpoint, if that’s the way then the means would be the Ukrainians lack, again, the ability to pull that off to pre-2014. They just lack that ability. They don’t have the combat power.

And I also want to remind you we hear a lot about Russian casualties and Russian losses. We hear very little about Ukrainian losses, and keep in mind they’re losing soldiers throughout this war as well. They started at approximately two hundred thousand. Who knows where they are today?

And so it’s hard to recruit and maintain that level of professionalism in that military. So that’s my first point. The end, ways, and means, they lack that, to be able to go back to the pre-2014.

The second point that I would make is, you know, as you look at the DIME—diplomatic, informational, military, and economic—we’re woefully lacking on the diplomatic piece of this. If you notice, there’s no diplomacy going on at all to trying to get to some type of negotiations. And I don’t think that we can lead that, given where Putin thinks about us.

But if you sit back and think about those that could possibly be a part of this negotiation team, you know, you have the—two of them are in—that I’m going to list are in NATO. One is President Orbán out of Hungary. Perhaps he can help out in the negotiation effort. The other one is President Erdoğan of Turkey. Longtime friends of President Putin, although some view that relationship as transactional. I don’t know. Let’s put it to the test and see.

Someone objects and makes a case for 'giving the Ukraine more time' by pushing more weapons to them. Twitty dismantles that argument:

TWITTY: —Charlie, I agree 100 percent. But I will tell you, when you look at time, the Ukrainians have to go into negotiations with the upper hand at a position of strength, and so right now they are at a position of strength. The more this war goes on we never know if that’s going to wane, and then they will lack the ability to go to the bargaining table at a position of strength and may lose more than they intended, and so let’s keep that in mind as well.

There it is. The professional military and intelligence people know exactly what is up. The Ukraine is already in a very bad situation and from here on it can only get worse. They expect that the Ukrainian frontline will break down.  I am sure they are urging, like Twitty does above, for immediate negotiations using whatever third party is available.

It is the White House for which such an outcome is not what it had hoped to achieve. It can in fact not allow it. It is currently blocking any negotiations because admitting to a loss in Ukraine would give the Republicans more ammunition to damage Biden.

Yves Smith detects some signs that, behind the curtains, some direct negotiations between Ukraine and Russia are actually taking place:

We may know in due course, but this development, even if these talks are more at the feeler stage, is proof that Zelensky is losing power. Recall that there has already been some chatter about a possible military coup. And it is hardly uncommon for the senior officials of a leader on the ropes to start negotiating with the other side, both out of the best interests of their country and to improve their odds of survival.

So that is a long winded way of saying that Zelensky may not have altered his stance, but that instead he is no longer driving the train. And it may also be that some in the Ukraine government are also trying to get the UK’s and US’s hands off the wheel. It may be too early for that to happen, but if they keep trying to shore up Zelensky when his own senior staff (and the military) are turning against him, they could find they bet on the wrong horse. Again, I’m not saying this is a likely outcome, but the fact that it is even conceivable is a big change in the state of play.

Passing the buck to Zelensky, to then have him removed from this planet, may indeed be the best outcome for the White House … and for Ukraine.

Comments

Rodrigo@96
I think that the leaders of groupthink in Washington believed, first, that sanctions would crush Russia and give rise to a oligarchs’ revolt. And, secondly, that all the millions (dozens?) of Russians who support Navalny and his ilk, and worship America from afar, like the Fifth Columnists who write for the New Yorker etc, would lead public opinion to a popular demand for the return of Yeltsin and another decline in life expectancy.
And NATO agreed with this analysis. With people like this defending us, and our ‘values’, no enemies are needed.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 19:04 utc | 101

@ Karlof1
From GWPundit

In Michigan, the current average for a gallon of gas is $5.21.
One Michigan county’s police department has already “blown through their fuel budget” and will no longer be able to respond to every 911 call in-person.
The Isabella County Sheriff’s Department says it may be a few months until a new fuel budge is passed.

Posted by: Casablanca | Jun 9 2022 19:08 utc | 102

Latest “Ministry of Truth” headline concerning country 404 war criminals ‘Captured Britons sentenced to death by Russia after ‘show trial’ for ‘monstrous’ crimes’
What travesty of misinformation and fiction……..lol

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 9 2022 19:12 utc | 103

On the energy front, the Outlaw US Empire just lost 20% of its LNG export capacity for several weeks if not longer. Gas prices that had recently slowed their rise will now resume their upward trajectory.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 19:13 utc | 104

Mission accomplished. Better to see the world fragment into 2 blocks rather than lose it all. Bonus points, it’s good for US energy and agriculture.
Posted by: Rodrigo | Jun 9 2022 18:52 utc | 96
A little early to declare that, just as originally.
AAMOF, it’s starting to look a lot like “You’re doing a great job, Brandon!”

Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 9 2022 19:15 utc | 105

“Passing the buck to Zelensky, to then have him removed from this planet, may indeed be the best outcome for the White House … and for Ukraine.”
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Zelensky–who must realize that he is becoming expendable as a patsy for the Americans–decided to become Pro-Russian and support all of Russia’s initiatives not only in the Ukraine or even rolling back America’s NATO sockpuppet, but ultimately against America’s world hegemony in general?
Plus, Zelensky could spill all the beans about all the criminal activities that America has been continuously involved in for the past decade.
Zelenksy could also have a bright future as a celebrity influencer for Russia around the world. He could brand himself with the slogan: President Z supports Operation Z.
Zelensky should ask himself: Who is a more reliable ally? Russia or “non-agreement capable” America.
Which country is more likely to honor its word? Russia or America.
And which country is more likely to throw you under the bus–literally? Russia or America.
Zelensky should think very hard about these questions, as his life may depend on it.

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 9 2022 19:17 utc | 106

The demented Joe once said, “the buck stays with me” and today, it still stays with him, there’s no way to pass the buck!
Only, he has one leg in the grave, and maybe he knows about that, so he may take us all with him, god forbid!

Posted by: ostro | Jun 9 2022 19:25 utc | 107

@Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Jun 9 2022 19:01 utc | 99
The Russians also liberated eastern Finnmark (on the border with Russia) from the German Nazis in 1944-45.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 9 2022 19:25 utc | 108

ak74 | Jun 9 2022 19:17 utc | 106
Zelensky is a drug addict who’s word is meaningless. Russia wont be dealing with him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 19:27 utc | 109

@ the pessimist
Patrick Lanchester, not I
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/v6c3bm/ru_pov_patrick_lancester_reports_on_ukrainian/

Posted by: Patrick Armstrong | Jun 9 2022 19:31 utc | 110

Never underestimate the US intelligence agencies’ ability to fuck things up. Sure they *should* know what’s going on. They should have seen the collapse of the USSR coming, they should have seen Iraqi resistance coming in 2003, they should have seen it he Afghan army we built falling apart. Politicians not wanting to listen is real, but so is intelligence offers telling them what they know the politicians want to hear. Nor should we assume our intelligence agencies are any more competent than any other federal agency.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 9 2022 19:36 utc | 111

“… the Wehrmacht loathed the Party Army – Waffen-SS in Germany. It was not Waffen-SS in Staueffenberg Bomb Plot but the Reserve Army for Internal Control
Paul Greenwood@57
Which was precisely the point I made. The other point was that Ukraine has no Wehrmacht, the General Staff appears to be dominated by the WaffenSS/OUN/NATO nazis.
Which was why I suggested that any military dictator is likely to be chosen from the Nazis and put in power by them. Which is why I said “There are no Rommels.”

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 19:37 utc | 112

Why trip up when ascending one flight of stairs, when you can do so on ascending three.
-Tzu Biden
Posted by: Tzu Bidenski | Jun 9 2022 18:09 utc | 78
Cheap laughter! Try to say it again after climbing stairs with one for in your mouth. BTW, why POTUS job is so damn difficult? As if someone wanted to discourage the elderly. It takes a gymnast like Annalena Baerbock to do it.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 9 2022 19:41 utc | 113

I don’t suppose for a moment that the two British mercenaries will actually be executed, but there’s a lot of humiliation to be drawn from their plight. And it will be exploited to the maximum. Make Britain suffer publicly will be the word.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 9 2022 19:42 utc | 114

Correction: one FOOT in your mouth.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 9 2022 19:42 utc | 115

Well, here’s some nice news, https://www.rbth.com/lifestyle/335055-largest-diasporas-russia

Posted by: ostro | Jun 9 2022 19:42 utc | 116

You vastly overrate Rommel who was totally a Hitler creation and favorite.
I am certain Russia knows who is who in Ukr General Staff and has its ears and eyes inside which is why it has been able to identify many targets

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 9 2022 19:45 utc | 117

An inability to speak in a clear, good, and grammatically correct manner
reveals muddled thinking.
What these statements by the Twit Twitty and the Ass Haass
reveal are quite alarming.
Their horrible, incorrect fractured English shows that there is no hope
for the US.

Posted by: GeorgeD | Jun 9 2022 19:47 utc | 118

@ Paul Greenwood | Jun 9 2022 19:45 utc | 117
You obviously know fuck all about Rommel, his exploits go back to WW1.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 9 2022 19:47 utc | 119

Russia has the means [POW’s & “war crime trials]to negotiate for
Julian Assange with UK; it would be a tsu·na·mi on the left.She already has Snowden.

Posted by: Dennis Szilak | Jun 9 2022 19:48 utc | 120

(Corbyn, anyone? …)” malenkov@56
Corbyn came within 7000 votes of election to office in 2017. That in itself is significant.
Coming to power, against The Establishment and its international partners-CIA Mossad etc- and the great bulk of the Parliamentary Labour Party, plus the full time staff (busily involved in sabotage, they actually locked him and his aides out of the HQ on election night), is a very different matter. It would have required a massive popular mobilisation.
But the vote, for a programme of re nationalising the utilities and transport industries and rejecting neo-liberalism, after forty years of it, was of great significance. Not least because it was in the face of unanimous MSM opposition. Every paper every TV channel in the country urged people to vote against him. So did the Academy and nine out of ten pundits.
Given that Corbyn, in a long political career had been opposed to NATO and imperialism as well as a public friend of Palestine, Venezuela and Cuba the broad support that he received from millions of voters was of great significance.
When for however short a moment, masses stand up on the hindlegs and reject the ruling class and its advice, it would be foolish to dismiss their action.
Whether or not Corbyn was ‘controlled opposition’- and there is not a scintilla of evidence that he was and a vast amount that he wasn’t- not least the unprecedented persecution he has suffered from the Labour Party- is irrelevant.
Millions of English and Welsh people cast their votes for his return to the socialist road. Nobody but a dilettante could fail to be impressed by that. And it was a mere five years ago.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 19:52 utc | 121

Patrick Armstrong@110
Best wishes. Have a great summer.
We look forward to an atmosphere, proper to a democracy, in which the advice of experienced public servants will not be howled down by shallow brained opportunists and cosplay Nazis.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 19:58 utc | 122

Zelensky should think very hard about these questions, as his life may depend on it.
Posted by: ak74 | Jun 9 2022 19:17 utc | 106
Zelensky, like all Uncle Scam and sLimey collaborators only care about one question: How much can I enrich myself, my family, my cronies and my puppet masters at the expense of the greater ________ (insert name of country) population, as quickly as possible before I exit politics or cement myself as a US-supported dictator?
I s’pose another question would also be: How do I avoid being decapitated by the extremist __________ (insert name of right-wing faction, in this case the Ukranazis) elements that are being aided, armed and assisted by Uncle Scam in its proxy war against _______ (insert Russia, China, Venezuela, or Iran)?
Zelensky knows that the rampant corruption would never be tolerated – or not nearly as much as it is now – were Ukraine to become part of the Russian Federation or a neutral state subject to international observation. Hence, he has staked his fate to the FUKUS/NATO blob and is being led down the same road as the South Vietnamese, Iraqi Kurds, South Koreans, Afghans, etc. have been.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2022 20:01 utc | 123

Rodrigo | Jun 9 2022 18:52 utc | 96
I, too, am getting sick of the political class turning into smug, self-superior 12-year-olds with executive-approved made-for-TV dunk lines whenever an election festival is running in the USA, and believe that telling them in no uncertain terms to shut the fuck up is the way forward.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Jun 9 2022 20:01 utc | 124

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2022 20:01 utc | 123
Sorry, left out Syria.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2022 20:03 utc | 125

Paul Greenwood@117
I am not rating Rommel at all. I am pointing out that, as a General with a victorious war record and the prestige that goes with it in war time, who had misgivings about the direction German strategy seemed to be going, he has no equivalent among Ukrainian military officers.
Do you genuinely have difficulty understanding what I write, in which case I blame myself, or do you simply enjoy contradicting and insulting others? If the latter-seek help.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 20:04 utc | 126

That Independent article referenced above… One wonder is Ritter is aware of this…seeing as how he tends to believe Ukrainian propaganda about how effective all these NATO weapons are…
Ukraine forces outgunned up to 40 to one by Russian forces, intelligence report reveals
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-war-intelligence-russia-kyiv-military-b2096715.html

Ukrainian troops are suffering massive losses as they are outgunned 20 to one in artillery and 40 to one in ammunition by Russian forces, according to new intelligence painting a bleak picture of the conflict on the frontline.
A report by Ukrainian and Western intelligence officials also reveals that the Ukrainians are facing huge difficulties responding to Russians shelling with their artillery restricted to a range of 25 kilometres, while the enemy can strike from 12 times that distance.
For the first time since the war began, there is now concern over desertion. The report, seen by The Independent, says the worsening situation in the Donbas, with up to a hundred soldiers being killed a day, is having “a seriously demoralising effect on Ukrainian forces as well as a very real material effect; cases of desertion are growing every week”…
The assessment was compiled before the announcement by the British government that it will supply a small number of M270 multiple-launch rocket systems, but after the reported US supply of Himars truck-based mobility rocket systems.
Britain is sending only three of the systems for the time being, and Washington has sent four. Ukrainian officials say they need much more to halt the Russian advance, let alone reclaim lost territory, and that it will take time to deploy the systems to the frontline while the Kremlin continues its fierce offensive in the Donbas…
Reporting on the ground backs up claims of rising Ukrainian losses due to Russian firepower. The Independent last week witnessed losses being inflicted on the Ukrainian military and the lack of long-range firepower to fight back; one soldier interviewed in Lysychansk has since been killed and another three injured.
The intelligence report states: “It is plain that a conventional war cannot be won if your side has several times fewer weapons, your weapons hit the enemy at a shorter distance and you have significantly less ammunition than the enemy.”
It continues: “The tactical situation on the Eastern front is as follows… the Ukrainian side has almost completely run out of stocks of missiles for MLRS of Smerch and Uragan types, which made it possible to effectively deter Russian offensives in the first months of the war at distances of [37 to 50 miles].
“Today, the maximum range of fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is [15.5 miles]. This is the range at which 152/155mm calibre artillery and the Grad MLRS units remaining in service can fire.”
“At the same time, the enemy strikes at concentrations of Ukrainian forces from a distance of [186 miles] with Iskander tactical ballistic missiles, [43 to 50 miles] using the Smerch MLRS and Tochka-U, from [25 to 37 miles] using MLRS Uragan.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 20:11 utc | 127

Posted by: Dennis Szilak | Jun 9 2022 19:48 utc | 120
I hadn’t thought of that. I wonder if Russia cares enough to try saving Assange’s life. Wikileaks has in the past exposed Russian secrets too. Methinks all the world’s TPTB would prefer to see Assange killed or flushed into an American supermax as a lesson to others. The vast majority of western MSM media and “journalists” appear to have not only already taken the warning, but are reveling in it. Bizarro world.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2022 20:12 utc | 128

@Patrick Armstrong | Jun 9 2022 19:31 utc | 110
Patrick Lanchester, not I
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/v6c3bm/ru_pov_patrick_lancester_reports_on_ukrainian/
Please accept my apologies for my error. I know this but managed to confuse it when typing.
……………………………………….
RT has an article up with Assad’s take on the SMO:
“Assad explains why Syria is sticking with Russia”
…“We can view Russia from two perspectives,” Assad told RT at the weekend. “The first is that of an ally: If our ally triumphs in the battle, or if their political position is strengthened… then this is a win for us as well.
“From a second perspective, Russia’s power today constitutes a restoration, albeit partial, of an international equilibrium. This rebalance that we are witnessing will impact smaller countries, including Syria,” he continued.
…“If the dollar continues to govern the world economy, nothing will change, regardless of the results of the war [in Ukraine],” he explained. “Using the dollar is not blackmail, it is robbery,” he continued, claiming that the Nixon administration’s decision to decouple the dollar’s value from that of gold in the 1970s made it “a worthless piece of paper.”
“The United States still continues to trade around the world using this worthless piece of paper. This is robbery, and it applies to the whole world,” he said.
“As long as the dollar is a global currency and continues to be settled through US banks or what is called the American Federal Reserve, you are under the authority of this dollar; and therefore your future as a state, a country or society, as an economy is under the mercy of the United States,” he declared.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 9 2022 20:14 utc | 129

It was depressing to see Janet Yellen claiming that Putin has caused inflation and the gas price increases. Now I heard on Tom Hartman this morning a rant about how the Russians are blockading Ukrainian ports and creating a worldwide food famine. This is going to be the next shocking narrative, that the Russians are starving the world.
Last time I looked, wasn’t Russia trying to open corridors to the ports they had taken to enable ships to leave with grain, but because of mines dropped by the Ukrainians no ships dared enter the ports, or even the Black Sea due to insurance rates? Then didn’t the NYT report the other day that “Russians ships are loaded with stolen Ukrainian grain”?
So we have this odd circumstance. On the one hand the Russians are blockading all the ports, preventing the export of grain. On the other we have Russian ships loaded with stolen grain about to leave. On the third hand we have mines still blocking the ports. On the fourth hand we have Turkey closing the Black Sea to all but Turkish ships and local ships – ie no foreign navies – such that those Ukrainian ports are closed…by Turkey…
The TRUTH seems to be that all of this is a consequence of the sanctions imposed on Russia. Yet we never read about this fact.

Posted by: Boomheist | Jun 9 2022 20:15 utc | 130

Paco @68 mentioned part of Putin’s exercises for today. Part of that was touring the newest exhibit at the Exhibition of Achievements of the National Economy–VDNKh–in Moscow, which for some unexplained reason had completely escaped from my view. It’s very much like an ongoing World’s Fair. Yet another excellent reason to visit Moscow. After touring the Peter the Great exhibit, Putin attended a meeting with young entrepreneurs, engineers and scientists: “On the eve of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum at the Technograd Innovation and Educational Complex at VDNKh, the President is holding a meeting with young entrepreneurs, engineers and scientists participating in the SPIEF.”
In my initial reply to Paco, I mentioned Putin was giving the students a lesson in Geopolitics, which was followed by the Q&A session that Putin was very interested in conducting. The lesson gives us further insight into Putin’s political philosophy and geopolitical outlook. And since the West’s spooks don’t seem to know very much, they ought to be diligent and follow along. The Russian transcript is rather long, so I’ll break it into several comments at the end of the previous thread so they don’t disturb this one.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 20:20 utc | 131

Zelensky doesn’t seem to realize that he is starring in the comic sequel “Throw Putin from the Train” (after “Throw Momma from the Train,” itself inspired by Alfred Hitchcock’s “Strangers on a Train”).
Hapless weasel boy thinks he has made a deal to get the U.S. to dispose of his overbearing neighbor in exchange for abandoning countless Ukrainians to the slaughter of war. The U.S. feigns ignorance of the deal and the partnership. Hilarity ensues.
Zelensky should have read the script.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Jun 9 2022 20:22 utc | 132

Boomheist | Jun 9 2022 20:15 utc | 130
Turkey can only close the straight to warships. Civilian ships are free to come and go.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 20:31 utc | 133

Tear Alexander II played a significant role in the victory of the Union in the American Civil War, but who now remembers that?

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 9 2022 20:36 utc | 134

General Twitty is a genuine twit, if he thinks that Ukraine is presently in a position of strength and that Russia and Ukraine are on an equal footing except in terms of combat capability. The Twit is a purveyor of standard BS that denies Russia’s status as a first class world power, both economically and militarily. Giving him credit for finally being able to see what has been obvious practically from the start of the war is faint praise at best.

Posted by: Rob | Jun 9 2022 20:39 utc | 135

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 20:11 utc | 127
Ukraine may still have up to half its barrel artillery plus a good deal of various rocket launchers. Ru Mod gave total numbers of Ukraine artillery at the end of the first phase Ammunition is the main problem for the soviet artillery which is why they need Nato gear. I don’t know what the setup is between the republics, but DPR has not been able to stop a heavy shelling of Donetsk city by a combination of 155mm Nato howitzers and Ukraine MLRS.
The majority of howitzers have made it to the front lines with only several small batteries hit in counter strikes Polish tracked guns with 40k range are also on the frontlines plus Czech truck mounted guns.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 20:42 utc | 136

via Saker, new one from Hudson
http://thesaker.is/will-the-global-south-break-free-from-dollarized-debt/:
“So how to break free from dollarized debt? “They need a critical mass. That was not available in the 1970s when a New International Economic Order was first discussed. But today it is becoming a viable alternative, thanks to the power of China, the resources of Russia and those of allied countries such as Iran, India and other East Asian and Central Asian countries. So I suspect that a new world economic system is emerging. If it succeeds, the last century – since the end of World War I and the mess it left – will seem like a long detour of history, now returning to what seemed to be the basic social ideals of classical economics – a market free from rent-seeking landlords, monopolies and predatory finance.”
Hudson concludes by reiterating what the New Cold War is really all about:
“In short, it is a conflict between two different social systems, each with their own philosophy of how societies work. Will they be planned by neoliberal financial centers centered in New York, supported by Washington’s neo-cons, or will they be the kind of socialism that the late 19th century and early 20th century envisioned – a ‘market’ and, indeed, society free from rentiers? Will natural monopolies such as land and natural resources be socialized and used to finance domestic growth and housing, or left to financial interests to turn rent into interest payments eating into consumer and business income? And most of all, will governments create their own money and steer banking to promote domestic prosperity, or will they let private banks (whose financial interests are represented by central banks) take control away from national treasuries?”

Well, I hope it’s that straightforward. If this whole nasty kerfuffle ends up with a new world order that has somehow managed to bypass the Western elite rentier class, that is going to be interesting to say the least.
Come to think of it: the easiest way to do this is to separate for a while. Let the Westerners keep to their system with their bankster-controlled models whilst we the Central and Eastern Eurasians go forward with a new system of our own which the Westerners can no longer control.
So they don’t have to destroy anything per se. They can just walk away to a different jurisdiction of their own making. Sounds doable.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 9 2022 20:45 utc | 137

sippy the shot glass | Jun 9 2022 20:01 utc | 124
Don’t ever watch “Parliamentary Questions.” OMG.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 9 2022 20:46 utc | 138

Everyone can start the blame game, but the lion’s share of responsibility falls on the Commander-in-Chief just like military failures fell upon the king. Congress isn’t absolved from it’s part though. I am very glad to watch the evil Western governments lose again. If they want to be unjust and prideful despots getting others killed en mass for their ideologies, then their tears of defeat are sweet pleasures.

Posted by: Prometheus | Jun 9 2022 20:49 utc | 139

If the intelligence agencies can play dumb, then so can the NYT. “Please don’t blame us for being wrong about everything that has happened in the Ukraine War, Zelensky kept the facts hidden. Except for that, we would have performed much better at our jobs as journalists.”

Posted by: Rob | Jun 9 2022 20:50 utc | 140

The things is how would Biden balance the sheet?
How to get the money back from a former Ukraine? Lend-lease and all that?

Posted by: ostro | Jun 9 2022 20:53 utc | 141

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 20:20 utc | 131
VDNKh is referred to by VVP as an analogy of what Russia went through in the 90’s, what was once a fair grounds for all fifteen republics became a dump, and now has regained its original chic. Somehow I witnessed what Putin is talking about, in the early 00’s the place was in awful shape, decaying and full of informal food vendors and tourist traps, the place has regained its original figure and if you get to visit it you’ll certainly will enjoy it, the Worker and Kolkhoznitsa statue has been restored and stands on top of a museum with the history of Mukhina’s master piece, the nearby museum of Cosmonauts was restored too, an impressive titanium obelisk. It is amazing how such a huge country was almost destroyed during that dark 90’s decade that somehow the west praises as the triumph of democracy. It worked like a vaccine, Russians do not want that kind of democracy anymore.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 9 2022 20:53 utc | 142

A post by Roman Saponkov explains the meaning of the “gray zone“.

I’ve been in the gray zone. I was in the positions of artillerymen. During our visit, the guys received the coordinates of the Ukrainian infantry group. We went out with them to strike.
The legendary gray zone is an area that is shot through by enemy artillery, so there is no classic front line with trenches. Modern mobile warfare is when drones are constantly hanging in the air, radio reconnaissance pinpoints launch points, a counter-battery duel is fought with 1-2 guns that jump out of the bushes, fire 3-6 shots and immediately leave for cover.
I never tire of admiring our guys. The calculations were worked out from the field shot by the AFU. This means that in 5-10 minutes after the first salvo, a response may arrive. Men, of course, know this. The last shot was fired, silence fell.
The gunners outwardly calmly stand next to the guns, waiting for the order: “Stop, let’s roll!” The internal spring unclenches, the men rush to roll up the guns like a bullet. Only now do you understand the inner tension.
“>https://t.me/swodki/113370

The post includes a 12 minute video of Russian artillery firing from Kherson into Dnepropetrovsk Oblast. The video shares some of the footage with a video from Patrick Lancaster from June 7.

Artillery Battles Rage In Southern Ukraine (Russian Artillery Special Report)
I have been embedded with the Russian Army In Kherson Region and In this report the Russian Army Fires Artillery On Ukrainian Army Positions In Dnipropetrovsk Region Of Ukraine.
They walk me though the process and explain how they know the shells will be hitting Ukrainian millitsary targets and how it is not possible for them to hit civilians.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 9 2022 20:54 utc | 143

From https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel… If Ritter can believe Ukrainian propaganda, I guess I’m justified in believing this…

Norway reported that it “secretly supplied” 22 American M109 self-propelled guns to Ukraine. There is a slight feeling that Western military aid is beginning to slip. The first attempt with M777 howitzers, then the Polish “Crabs” drove in, and now the “Paladins” are being shipped to Ukraine at the moment when our aviation and artillery are ironing this very weapon (https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/6432) on the field fight.
In general, the M109 is the best of what was delivered to Ukraine. Although, in fact, this is an M777 howitzer, only on tracks. The characteristics are the same – 1 shot per minute, difficult loading, expensive maintenance.
For this reason, Norway abandoned them (as well as the Polish “Crabs” at the time) and moved to the South Korean K9 self-propelled guns. By the way, they are not sent to Ukraine, fearing a technology leak.
And junk like “Paladins” are being taken. The main problem is that Ukrainian warriors are not able to master such technologies. According to some reports, out of 90 M777 howitzers in Ukraine, only 10 took root. The rest are either broken orundefined damaged and undergoing repairs in Poland.
#supplies #self-propelled guns #M109 undefined

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 20:59 utc | 144

I just watched a TV program on dutch goverment TV and experts were saying we are in an energy crisis.
The government is spitting out BS that we are just going to transition quicker from gas to electricity and not getting gas from Russia is going to be no problem.
Today the dutch electric grid network operator announced that new businesess can not be connected anymore to the grid because the grid is at capacity in 2 provinces. So from today you can not open a new business in those 2 provinces uhum.
Currently we are not importing gas from Russia because we refuse to pay in rubbles, an expert just said on TV that we will not be able to do this this winter and politicians should be realistic.
The experts expect energy prices that have already tripled to triple again in the coming years uhum

Posted by: Jimmy | Jun 9 2022 21:06 utc | 145

@MatkU (119)
Rommel, militarily and politically, is a touchy topic for many. On one hand, there is no dispute that he was a brilliant tactician and extremely capable commander at small to smallish operations. A lot of people have claimed (some fairly others less so) that he was a poor to mediocre manager and logistician–more important in large scale operations. His politics is also a bit convoluted: he became a good friend to Goebbels and developed close relationship with Hitler, which were critical to him being built up as a great hero by the Nazi propaganda and the relative freedom of action he enjoyed. Although there’s very little to no evidence that he embraced Nazism, not only was he close to the Nazi leadership, but was resented by many other German generals for that. Yet, he was also genuinely respectful of the British and this attitude, in addition to his obvious tactical brilliance, made a lot of British, Churchill down, fans of his. (Not always shared: General Auchinleck, Rommel’s adversary before Montgomery, genuinely resented Rommel for this, somewhat like Rommel’s German colleagues).
Of course, the Rommel myth came after the war, when his role in the German resistance was grossly exaggerated (he was at best vaguely aware of their activities and mildly approved of them, but he had no real involvement, even if anti-Nazi plotters did want to give him a prominent role because of his esteem both in Germany and among Western allied) and became centerpiece of the “clean and competent Wehrmacht myth.” Fwiw.

Posted by: hk | Jun 9 2022 21:07 utc | 146

On blame games…
Putin is really a living god… Once in Ukraine only, but not all around the world.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220608-out-of-the-frying-pan-indonesians-pay-price-of-cooking-oil-crisis
Indonesian “housewife”,
…who needs to buy 8 litres palm oil a day
…to run her little factory
…can no more do it because Putin
…started war in Ukraine and highly likely prohibited sales of sunflower oil
…which is not palm oil and has world total production 4-5 times less than palm oil and only about 1/10th of total vegetable oils production.

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 9 2022 21:08 utc | 147

@ bevin | Jun 9 2022 19:37 utc | 112
You saved me the trouble of commenting, thanks!
@ bevin | Jun 9 2022 19:52 utc | 121
I’m sorry, but even without acceding to power Corbyn repeatedly humiliated himself before the PTB. (When did he ever defend himself against those who regularly smeared him?) Which suggests that he wouldn’t have been willingly controlled opposition to the PTB, but rather reluctantly controlled opposition.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 9 2022 21:12 utc | 148

Re: Plausible deniability

Posted by: Casablanca | Jun 9 2022 19:03 utc | 100
P. D. is the ability of people, typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command, to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by members of their organizational hierarchy. They may do so because of a lack or absence of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were personally involved….

Sir Humphrey Appleby explains plausible deniability in the BBC sitcom Yes, Prime Minister

Yes, Prime Minister – The need to know

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P.S. – My previous comment seems to be stuck in a spam filter.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 9 2022 21:13 utc | 149

Rob @140
Being stupid is a “protected class” in the West, like being fat or gay or being a cult member such as in Scientology or Christianity. Since social status in the West changed from being earned by honor and industriousness to being granted to people who can claim some form of victimhood, being a member of a “protected class” is highly sought after. Members of “protected classes” are by default “victims” and thus gain automatic status in western society. It is odd to the point of perversity, but because of this particular change in western society an absolute idiot can achieve more social status by fucking up everything he does than can be achieved by a competent individual who does a good job at everything. In organizations that have institutionalized “wokeness”, such as the CIA or the New York Times or the US State Department (but I repeat myself), people want to be seen as stupid as that will earn them victimhood status points within the organization. They might even get promoted.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2022 21:14 utc | 150

Latest two Russian MoD briefings…

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
The Ukrainian grouping in Donbass is suffering significant losses in manpower, weapons and military equipment.
During the liberation of Svyatogorsk in Donetsk People’s Republic in three days of fighting alone, Ukrainian troops suffered losses of over 300 nationalists, six tanks, 15 armoured combat vehicles of various types, 36 field artillery guns and mortars, 4 Grad multiple rocket launchers and over 20 automotive equipment.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
High-precision air-based missiles have hit armoured plant near Kharkov, which have been repairing and restoring tanks and other AFU armoured vehicles.
In addition, high-precision air-based missiles have hit 2 command posts, 13 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 1 battery of Uragan multiple-launch rocket systems near Kharkov. 4 weapon and ammunition depots have been destroyed near Malinovka in Kharkov Region, Spornoe in Donetsk People’s Republic and Zvanovka in Lugansk People’s Republic. 1 fuel depot for AFU equipment has been destroyed near Chuhuev, Kharkov Region.
Operational-tactical aviation have hit 63 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
The attacks have resulted in the elimination of command post of 14th AFU Mechanized Brigade, over 160 nationalists, 8 tanks, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 1 artillery battery, 1 electronic warfare station and 13 vehicles of various purposes.
Russian air defence means have shot down 2 MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force near Snegirevka, Nikolaev Region, as well as 1 Mi-8 helicopter near Belaya Krinitsya, Nikolaev Region.
In addition, 11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Donetsk, Rubtsy, Lozovoe, Krasnorechenskoe, Koroviy Yar, Peski Rad’kovskoe in Donetsk Peolple’s Republic, Izyum, Dergachi in Kharkov Region and Chernobaivka in Kherson Region. 3 Tochka-U missiles and 5 Smerch rockets have been intercepted near Chernobaevka, Kherson Region.
Missile and artillery have hit 68 command posts, 172 AFU artillery positions, including 2 batteries of Smerch multiple-launch rocket systems near Aleksandrovka and Kutuzovka, 1 battery of Uragan MLRS near Kitsevka, Kharkov region, as well as 261 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 320 nationalists, 4 ammunition depots near Novolenovka in Zaporozhye Region, 9 armoured vehicles, 3 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 15 field artillery and mortars, 14 special vehicles, and Buk-M1 surface-to-air missile launchers near Shelkoplyasy and OSA-AKM in Verhnyaya Roganka in Kharkov Region.
In total, 192 Ukrainian airplanes and 130 helicopters, 1,150 unmanned aerial vehicles, 335 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,459 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 489 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,822 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,488 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
Engineering units of the Russian Armed Forces have started clearing roads and forest areas of the Svyatye Gory National Park near Svyatogorsk, Yarovaya, Studenok and Sosnovoe of Donetsk People’s Republic. Over the past 24 hours, 126 explosive devices of various types, including 54 anti-tank mines, planted by Ukrainian nationalists have been found and destroyed.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
High-precision air-based missile strike near Novograd-Volynskyi, Zhytomir Region, has destroyed 1 AFU training centre where foreign mercenaries were being retrained and coordinated.
In addition, high-precision air-based missiles have destroyed 2 command posts, 1 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system near Razdolovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, 1 ammunition depot near Paraskovievka in Lugansk People’s Republic, and 23 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 18 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 200 nationalists, 5 tanks, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers and 1 warehouse of missile and artillery weapons near Verkhnekamenskoe, Lugansk People’s Republic.
Russian air defence means have shot down Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Mazanovka, Donetsk People’s Republic.
Also, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Slavnoe, Prechistovka, Kudryashovka, Epifanovka in Donetsk People’s Republic, Varvarovka, Borovenki in Lugansk People’s Republic, Tokmak in Zaporizhzhya Region, Petrovskoe, Suligovka in Kharkov Region, Snegirovka, Aleksandrovka and the Mogyla Kulich barrow in Kherson Region.
In addition, 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile have been intercepted near Kirovo in Kherson Region, and 2 Smerch rockets have been shot down near Kamenka, Kharkov Region, and Panteleimonovka, Donetsk People’s Republic.
Missile troops and artillery have hit 56 command posts, 127 firing positions of AFU artillery, as well as 273 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.
The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 300 nationalists, 7 armoured vehicles, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 12 field artillery guns and mortars, 24 special vehicles, 1 fuel storage facility for military equipment near Kobzartsy in Nikolaev Region, and 1 crossing of Seversky Donets River near Protopopovka.
In total, 193 Ukrainian airplanes and 130 helicopters, 1,163 unmanned aerial vehicles, 336 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,471 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 493 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,834 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,512 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 21:15 utc | 151

Twitty actually thinks the dope addict is correct in his judgements! and capable of negotiating with Russia. Twitty is such an apt name for a military stooge of the USA empire of yore. Sad to note that there is no condemnation of Obummer and Trump in these meetings.
What an ignominious defeat for the USA. It makes the rout in Afghanistan look orderly and peaceful.
Thanks b.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 9 2022 21:18 utc | 152

I’d take the “400 Russian tanks destroyed” with a metric ton of salt…
The Pentagon Has a Supply-Chain Problem
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/the-pentagon-has-a-supply-chain-problem

Since the start of the war in Ukraine, no weapon has been more effective against Russian forces than the Javelin anti-tank missile. Drawing on a supply of roughly 7,000 US-made Javelins, Ukraine’s fighters have destroyed at least 400 Russian tanks and hundreds more armored vehicles. The weapon’s potency has helped foil President Vladimir Putin’s plans to overrun the country. There’s just one problem: The US stockpile is now running out.
The war has already consumed as much as one-third of the US military’s inventory of Javelins. Within months, the Pentagon will be unable to deliver new ones without emptying out its own supply. The war has also consumed one-quarter of the US inventory of Stinger shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles; Raytheon, which makes the Stinger, says it could take up to a year to restart production. (The Army has issued a $625 million contract to Raytheon to do so.) At the current usage rate, supplies could be nearly exhausted by next year.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 21:24 utc | 153

From Sputnik News Telegram channel…

Germany again postponed the shipment of weapons to Ukraine.
The transfer of modern M270 MLRS and Iris-T air defense systems to Kiev will not happen before winter, writes German Business Insider.
Berlin quickly found an explanation for the new transfer of delivery — “systems need new software.”
Naturally, this can only be corrected at German enterprises.
On the eve it turned out that Germany has been almost not helping Kiev with weapons since the beginning of May and is blocking any possibility of its transfer to Ukraine.
The response to the “liver sausage” was not long in coming.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 21:27 utc | 154

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Zelensky–who must realize that he is becoming expendable as a patsy for the Americans–decided to become Pro-Russian
Posted by: ak74 | Jun 9 2022 19:17 utc | 106
LOL, dude! AR eyou serious?
Did you see no photos of Ze last 2-3 months?
He is always followed by foreign “bodyguards”.
The moment he even thinks about turning to Russia he would instantly be killed “by Putin’s assassins”.
Remember what happened to once almighty Boris Berezovsky

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 9 2022 21:32 utc | 155

@96 Rodrigo:

Come on. There is no intelligence failure …. The objective was to cut Europe, particularly Germany, off from Russian energy–and by extension cut off China from Europe as well. The US saw the writing on the wall. Leave things alone and watch Europe get sucked into Asia–or throw a wrench in the works and grab Europe … rather than lose it. Mission accomplished. Better to see the world fragment into 2 blocks rather than lose it all. Bonus points, it’s good for US energy and agriculture.

Well said. Part of the job of the MIC staff is to absorb, diffuse and deflect blame for the not-so-hot effects of the policy, while the main benefits of the policy are pocketed by the shaft of the spear.
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That interview with General Twitty is particularly grating. The lack of incisive thinking and the meandering delivery underscores the gulf of competency that exists between our top players and those of the putative competition (Russia, China). We are currently out-classed at the top, and it’s glaring.
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Regarding these remarks by HH @ 39:

The U.S. oligarchs who backed the Neocon project of global liberal hegemony will eventually realize that they have created an ideological monster that will seriously damage the U.S. economy. The toxic Neocon foreign policy that benefits only the defense sector (5% of the U.S. economy) will increasingly disrupt the global commerce on which much of the rest of the U.S. economy depends. The only question is how much damage the U.S. sustains before the Neocons are finally driven out of power.

HH: They already realize it and have realized it for years. That’s why Ray Dalio is so vocal about “the changing world order”, and why Kissinger’s out there trying to regain relevancy.
There are major fault-lines rapidly opening in the U.S. oligarchic pantheon on this very point, and I expect that it’s becoming clear to all of them – both on-side and opposed to NeoCon policy – that the NeoCon experiment has hastened the demise of the Western Empire by many decades.
A lot of oligarchs’ future revenue streams and security have been seriously degraded.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 9 2022 21:39 utc | 156

Comment from https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel on Twitty’s “missing 200,000 Ukrainian soldiers”… They conclude as I do – they never existed.

Recently there was information that the loss of Ukrainian troops during the fighting can reach 200,000 soldiers. This was stated by the former deputy head of the US European Command, Lieutenant General Stephen Twitty. According to him (https://linkezeitung.de/2022/06/07/us-general-stephen-twitty-die-verluste-der-afu-koennten-200-000-soldaten-erreichen/), 200 thousand APU fighters mysteriously disappeared, and no one can tell where they are today.
I think it is not very difficult to understand that Twitty in his words is based not on speculative assessments, but on operational information from the Western side about the state of affairs in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I am sure that these are quite realistic figures. Where did they come from?
As I noted earlier, the realistic figures for the loss of killed Ukrainian troops today are at the level of 27-28 thousand people. Sanitary losses can be estimated by multiplying this figure by at least two, or even three. Here we will add eight thousand prisoners. If roughly rounded off, the current total losses of Ukrainian troops are approximately 100undefined thousands of people. Where are the other 100,000?
In the Ukrainian army, there are obviously facts of mass desertion. Desertion begins at the stage of evading mobilization, continues at the stages of formation and coordination of units and their marches to the place of hostilities. Also, Ukrainian warriors are fleeing, in fact, from the front line.
I want to make a reservation that here I do not see anything shameful. On the contrary, if citizens have the opportunity to escape from this duty, then let them use it. Thus, they will be able to save their lives and, no less important, not to take part in the war crimes of the Kyiv regime.
Thus, from the remaining 100 thousand, several tens of thousands of deserters can be subtracted. I think about 30 thousand. Where are the other 70,000 people?
This is where things get interesting. I see two possible reasons (or a combination of them).
As we remember, the problem of corruption and theft in the Ukrainian army has always been extremely acute. They stole on everything: on allowances, on the execution of government contracts, even on undefined supply of Western aid.
A large number of funds should be allocated for mobilization measures: new soldiers need to be dressed, put on shoes, given weapons, trained, provided with accommodation and transport. These are all major expense items. Accordingly, any experienced embezzler, of whom there are many in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, will immediately see a gold mine here.
You send “dead souls” to the war, falsifying the lists of those mobilized and reporting on the activities carried out, and you put the allocated money in your pocket.
The second option is that the Ukrainian authorities are deliberately falsifying mobilization reports for their Western beneficiaries, both because of the lack of funds for it, and because of the inability to implement the measures in full.
This is all about the plans to mobilize 700 thousand in Ukraine. In light of the data leaked by Tweetty, it’s easy to cut the total figure down by at least a few hundred thousand.
P.S. It is possible that Twitty in his 200 thousand losses did not take into account at all, then the situation for the Kyiv undefined mode looks even more “fun”.
#APU #Losses #Analytics #Reality undefined

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 21:40 utc | 157

@143 RSH re: NATO 155mm artillery
Can’t find it now but in the past day or so there was a telegram report sourced to a DNR or RF governmental source saying approx 150 pieces of NATO 155mm artillery were in Ukraine as of now (including both towed and self propelled, 5 different types between them all). Nonsense that people can’t be trained. Not overnight sure, but by all accounts UA has solid artillery and training methodology for it. Throw in a few NATO personnel of some type to tie it all together and that issue will be solved. Those 150pcs, which started arriving a month ago and are already reduced in number, cover less than 10% of the 1800ish artillery pieces destroyed over 100-some days. I think with some increase, they intend to cancel out the loss rate with these supplies — for some finite period of time. NATO sponsors plugging one leak among many here. Another possibility is that they send NATO guys with the equipment, position them somewhere relatively save (Kiev?), and shift the native Ukrainian crews and their equipment from Kiev to the East. Doesn’t really change what is happening now, but slows down the rate at which UA army is taken apart. In any case what I think will happen is a more effective response will be developed by RF, and probably the potency of weapons will again escalate.

Posted by: ptb | Jun 9 2022 21:41 utc | 158

Tom_Q_Collins@128,
It’s a question that has come up informally even among government representatives. Particularly when Ukraine attempted to use Medvechuk as a bargaining chip and nobody bought it, least of all the Russian public. Conversely, Assange actually has sympathizers among the Russian public and government functionaries understand that Russian soft-power could benefit both domestically and internationally from being associated with his release, if we cynically disregard stated humanitarian concerns as disingenuous.
But, in terms of how realistic such a scenario might be, I’d say it’s a pipedream. There are still a fair number of Russian citizens imprisoned by the US on what the Russians consider trumped up charges, who would naturally take precedence over an Australian citizen who is in no way even associated with Russia. Not to mention Russian servicemen who have been or could be captured by Ukraine in the future, Russian citizens who are at risk of being apprehended abroad etc — in other words, there are higher value targets which, unlike Assange, are the constitutional responsibility of the Russian government.
Furthermore, a formal suggestion of involving Assange in a prisoner swap would have to come from Britain or the US, at which point the Russians would be pressed to agree. If the request comes from Russia, that would merely undermine Assange’s position without any guarantee of a successful prisoner exchange, which is just an all-around fiasco. What are the chances that Western powers themselves try offloading Assange for some captured NATO general? Maybe if they have nothing else to offer in exchange. I doubt it would be a fair trade either way, so it might not be feasible from a military-intelligence point of view.
Finally, while the Russian public might look favorably on such an exchange — and even then, that margin may be narrowing — I doubt the same applies to the public of DNR&LNR, particularly when it concerns the release of foreign mercenaries directly responsible for killing their compatriots. There was noticeable grumbling in the information sphere from DNR sources when they were sidelined in the negotiations for the surrender of Azovstahl, with the subsequent ferreting away of VIP prisoners by Russian forces. Although DNR ultimately follow Russian judgement in matters of wider strategic importance, I think it’s fair to assume that DNR prefers to parade its captives for PR even if it ultimately undermines avenues of negotiation. In short, any prisoner swaps have to take DNR&LNR concerns into consideration, particularly when it comes to targets that were captured on their part of the front and individuals who can be implicated in committing crimes against the republics.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 9 2022 21:48 utc | 159

@ Tom Pfotzer | Jun 9 2022 21:39 utc | 155
That interview with General Twitty is particularly grating. The lack of incisive thinking and the meandering delivery underscores the gulf of competency that exists between our top players and those of the putative competition (Russia, China). We are currently out-classed at the top, and it’s glaring.
1. Old army saying — If we wanted you to think we’d issued you brains. Just do what you’re told.
2. So the way to rise in the ranks, especially in combat arms, is to suck up and kick down.
3. Smedley Butler: “I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country’s most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.”

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 9 2022 21:48 utc | 160

Paco @142–
Thanks for your reply. I found its Wiki page to be somewhat useful, although it’s rather bare given:
“The territory of VDNKh is greater than that of the Principality of Monaco and has approximately 400 buildings.”
I also found its Russian language home page better than the English. Just taking the electronic tour would take several days. Very impressive.
Putin’s talk with the assembled youth was extraordinary. I do hope all barflies take the time to read that transcript as IMO it’s rather uplifting unless you’re a crazed Russophobe.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 21:49 utc | 161

The “Intelligence Agencies” are always the first on site and the most in the know. They’re on the ground fomenting violence, grooming Nazi’s, handing out cash and equipment. Cutting the paychecks. Stirring shit. Hiring snipers/assassins. They’re in the thick of it. Their methodology, their patterns are the same over and over again.
To indicate otherwise is a diversionary tactic.
“I was out of the loop.” GHWBush
Look, over there, a squirrel!

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 9 2022 21:49 utc | 162

Sheer guess, but the military intelligence of USA was OK. Ukrainian army exceeded expectations of most of us. Russia “underperformed”, although weirdly: there was a genuine blitzkrieg, but then it reversed in central-north Ukraine, and more-or-less stopped. Sympathetic observers were struggling for explanations which exist, if somewhat complex.
On cementing the “collective West” under American leadership, the apparatus of thought and elite control exceeded my expectations as well.
The plan to bring Russian economy proceeded with unexpected boldness, and flopped. Here the expectations that I had and shared were fulfilled: “one cannot do it because it would cause a disaster”. They did it, the disaster is ongoing. Coming: insurance ban.
https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/new-sanctions-hit-hard-eu-wants-ban-insurance-russian-oil-tankers
Russia has already announced that it will look for ways to circumvent the insurance ban. However, EU and UK companies collectively provide 90 percent of global shipping insurance and even companies outside the region will likely shy away from providing insurance coverage in the face of EU sanctions.
One pathway for Russia is to turn to domestic insurance companies. However, unlike the international insurance market where members collectively share the risk of large loss exposures, isolated Russian insurance companies will not be able to cover losses for maritime accidents that could run into the billions of dollars.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 9 2022 21:51 utc | 163

Looks like Biden’s US is going to try China instead. Perhaps there will be less blowback sanctioning China 🙂

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-10/pandemic-origin-obscured-by-lack-of-chinese-data-says-who-panel/101141182
The World Health Organization says its latest investigation into the origins of COVID-19 was inconclusive, largely because data from China is missing, another blow to its years-long effort to determine how the pandemic began.
The report from the WHO expert panel said all available data showed the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19 probably came from animals, likely bats, a similar conclusion to the UN agency’s previous work on the topic in 2021 that followed a trip to China.
The missing data, especially from China, where the first cases were reported in December 2019, meant it was not possible to identify exactly how the virus was first transmitted to humans…
.. But the team on the panel — known as the Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens (SAGO) — said it was still impossible to do so because of a lack of data.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Advisory_Group_for_Origins_of_Novel_Pathogens
The WHO first announced its decision to create SAGO in July 2021, following the WHO-convened Global Study of Origins of SARS-CoV-2, which countries including the United States, Japan and Australia reportedly said was “compromised by a lack of transparency from China”. The WHO-convened report finding that a laboratory incident was “extremely unlikely” was reportedly also pushed back on by WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom who called on China to share raw data, be transparent, and cooperate for the next phase of the study. Critics of the WHO convened study group said it was hampered by conflict of interest, as one member had a long-standing working relationship with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

I think they need to look at the caves in Kazakhstan along china’s border where US was collecting bat coronavirus for the origins, then look into US bio warfare labs for the intermediate host where it morphed into a highly infectious human pathogen perfectly suited for China’s demographic.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 21:53 utc | 164

RSH @152–
As we learned today, Javelins go for $30,000 each on the Dark Net’s arms stores despite their inabilities and are finding their way to Idlib along with other arms supplied to Ukraine. That’s another use for Ukraine not being discussed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 21:54 utc | 165

Paul Mason’s covert intelligence-linked plot to destroy The Grayzone exposed (The Grayzone, Kit Klarenberg & Max Blumenthal, June 7, 2022)

Posted by: S | Jun 9 2022 21:58 utc | 166

snake | Jun 9 2022 15:48 utc | 12 et al
On land grants [LGs] and mind-body-spirit-death
Land grant…those 2 words are not appreciated for their power to control what became the United States of America.
LGs were created to enable a small island nation to maintain control of what became USA.
Readers should understand the scope of an LG. One example: the colony of Virginia was established by documents that essentially declared its boundaries extended to the Middiddippi River!.
How is that possible? Because there were no actual land-surveys completed before the LGs…these were recently discovered lands on the eastern edge of a continent whose internal composition was unknown. So LGs were written using generalized wording that pre-supposed some boundaries based only on “best-guesses”.
Each LG charter established an appointed governor with absolute authority and given red-coat enforcers [troops] over an area delimited by verbiage in the LG… but the governor owed his existence to the Crown…any wrong move and he became toast. That is how the little island housing the English Crown kept the loyalty and thus total control over its remote and gigantic land holdings.. Each governor was a Local-King under The King.[see fascism*, below]
To this day, disparate remnants of LGs still exist as large estates whose “owners” are the lucky heirs who “somehow” arranged very favorable terms about 200 years ago.
Land and its resources, the foremost of which is its ability to grow/harvest/obtain FOOD to sustain its occupiers, was and still is key to survival of human bodies…and those bodies apparently house/connect entities of a spiritual nature that motivate said bodies and whose absence is associated with death.
* fascism…explained about 100 years ago the fasces-symbol of an axe bound with sticks, carried in Roman times to announce to onlookers the presence of a travelling judge with the official powers to punish and/or kill you.

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 9 2022 22:09 utc | 167

@PetriKhron #148
Thanks for this great link!
How to intentionally setting up the conditions for the plausible avoidance of responsibility

“Apparently, the fact that you needed to know was not known at the time that the now known need-to-know was known. And therefore, those that needed to advise and inform the home secretary perhaps felt that the information that he needed, as to whether to inform the highest authority of the known information, was not yet known. And therefore there was no authority for the authority to be informed, because the need-to-know was not at that time known or needed.”

Posted by: Casablanca | Jun 9 2022 22:09 utc | 168

DPR MoD briefing… Typical day… Note the limited number of casualties on both sides compared to the Russian MoD reports…

Statement by the official representative of the DPR People’s Militia on the situation on June 9, 2022
Since the beginning of the day, the enemy has fired more than 200 shells and mines from 122-mm multiple launch rocket systems “Smerch”, “Uragan”, “Grad”, 155, 152 and122-mm artillery, as well as 60-mm mortars.
The areas of 15 settlements of the Republic were under shelling. As a result of the Ukrainian aggression a civilian was injured. 17 residential buildings and a civilian infrastructure facility were damaged.
Materials on the fact of wounding civilians and damage to infrastructure will be transferred to the DPR General Prosecutor’s Office for inclusion in criminal cases initiated against the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Over the day, joint actions of the military personnel of the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation destroyed a MLRS BM-21 Grad, 3 armored personnel carriers-2, an Ukrainian UAV control post and more than 60 personnel, 3 enemy firing points in the area of Avdeevka were suppressed.
Unfortunately, there were losses among our fighters. Over the past day, in the struggle for independence, 4 defenders of the Donetsk People’s Republic died in the line of military duty and 7 comrades were injured.
We express our sincere condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 22:10 utc | 169

@ Richard Steven Hack | Jun 9 2022 21:40 utc | 156
Perhaps the soldiers never existed.
..from BI
The Afghan military was made up of ‘ghost’ soldiers who didn’t actually exist, and that’s why it collapsed so rapidly: ex-finance minister

Khalid Payenda, Afghanistan’s former finance minister, told BBC News that most of the 300,000 Afghan troops didn’t exist and were in fact “ghost” soldiers made up by corrupt officials who exploited the system for money.
“The way the accountability was done, you would ask the chief in that province how many people you have and based on that you could calculate salaries and ration expenses and they would always be inflated,” Payenda told Ed Butler of the BBC’s Business Daily.. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 9 2022 22:11 utc | 170

ptb | Jun 9 2022 21:41 utc | 157
There was one report of one or two battalions I think of Poles in Ukraine a couple of weeks ago. Poland was sending I think about 40 self propelled guns, so if that report is correct they could be used to operate the polish and perhaps some of the other Nato equipment. As for the howitzers, how long would it take a crew with some training on a soviet gun to become somewhat proficient with a M777?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 22:14 utc | 171

There are various posters here who consistently apologise for the Nazis. And, by implication, for their collaborators the OUN which currently dominates Ukraine.
I suggest that they familiarise themselves with the article linked to below, the first in a three part series on the OUN.
Long before the Nazis seized power in Germany organisations like MI6 and fascist sympathisers were excusing their brutality by suggesting that it was necessary as an antidote to Communists.
That theme lasted through the Second World War and was taken up again, as were the Nazis themselves, by the western imperialists after the war.
Unsurprisingly many people, subject throughout their lives to the Cold War propaganda of the Empire have come to accept, firstly an equation between Communist and Nazi movements and secondly justifications of the Empire’s close and undeniable alliance with Nazis. During the Cold War this came to supplant, as time passed, the view of the Red Army as our closest ally and deliverer- a view widely held by both British imperial and US forces- and such was the depth and intensity of the campaigns of hatred directed against the Soviet Union, it became a fashionable view that the Nazis, for all that they did, were not so bad after all.
Only yesterday several posts on this site spoke respectfully of the “volunteers” from across Nazi Occupied Europe who joined the anti Bolshevik (even ‘anti-Jew Bolshevik’) crusade against the “murderous Communists.” An indication of the depths which naivete can plumb is the idea that enlistment in the war was a voluntary matter where the Gestapo ruled (it was in fact, the alternative to slave labour on a diet calculated to kill.)
Happily there is no longer an excuse for romanticising the Nazis. The evidence is not only copiously documented but graphically demonstrated in the day to day campaign in Ukraine where Hitler’s most dedicated followers have been reminding even the most obtuse what Nazis do and what they always did when empowered.
This is an excerpt from the article by Evan Reif, a writer to whom we are now indebted. The OUN enters Lviv/Lvov:
“…OUN forces entered the city with specific orders to exterminate the Jewish, Polish and Russian populations, a task that they would carry out with aplomb. First blood would go to the interpreters in the late hours of June 30th. Theirs was the dubious honor of the first massacre after the fall of Lviv. Namely, the abduction, torture and murder of suspected anti-Nazi Polish professors.
“Working off OUN hit lists, Nazi and Ukrainian forces arrested the professors and their families, holding them in the dorms under torture for hours. All but one of them were executed, and after their deaths, their apartments were looted and occupied by SS and OUN officers.
“Not to be shown up, Nightingale (a Ukrainian formation in the German forces) would get to work soon after. What happened in Lviv starting on June 30, 1941, should not be understood as one massacre but rather a series of them lasting over a month. Nightingale was one of the first two units to enter Lviv. Accompanied by elite Nazi mountain troops, Nightingale seized the hilltop castle, set up a headquarters and began to round up the local Jews, at first forcing them to clear the streets of bodies and bomb damage. Random murders and looting of Jewish homes and property accompanied this work on the first night.
“Jewish residents of Lviv try to escape Nazi pogrom. [Source: wikipedia.org]
In the morning, OUN infiltrators, defectors and sympathizers were mobilized and began the systematic violence against Jews alongside the Nazis. In the days preceding the attack, OUN propaganda leaflets were widely proliferated in Lviv telling the residents:
“Don’t throw away your weapons yet. Take them up. Destroy the enemy. … Moscow, the Hungarians, the Jews—these are your enemies. Destroy them.”
“It would seem many of them took that advice to heart. In the resulting pogrom, the Ukrainian nationalists brutalized thousands of Jews in broad daylight throughout the city.
“They would force many women into the streets, where nationalists would strip them naked, rape and murder them. The men got off only a little better; many were savagely beaten in the streets with clubs and fists, as the throngs taunted and threw trash at them. Nazi reporters filmed and photographed much of this violence as it happened…”
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/06/09/how-pre-ww-ii-ukrainian-fascists-pioneered-brutal-terror-techniques-later-improved-by-cia-now-ironically-taught-to-descendants/

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 22:14 utc | 172

Don Bacon | Jun 9 2022 22:11 utc | 169
In the original piece from Twitty which was I think at a German language site he did say when questioning where the 200,000 were either they were casualties or fudged mobilization.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 22:24 utc | 173

@karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 21:54 utc | 164
Plausible deniability, §2

If illegal or otherwise-disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such acts to insulate themselves and shift the blame onto the agents who carried out the acts, as they are confident that their doubters will be unable to prove otherwise.

Posted by: Casablanca | Jun 9 2022 22:25 utc | 174

malenkov to bevin about Corbyn? Anyone ?..
Melenchon in france might well be close to succeed where Corbyn failed.
He has already done a political masterstroke by uniting the whole french left under his umbrella ( surprising everyone including his own supporters ) and even if he fail to get a majority in parliament , the left seats on the assembly will be multiplied by 4 at minima.
Corbyn recently came to Paris to support the new coalition :
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-jeremy-corbyn-is-being-feted-by-the-french-left ( not that i apreciate the sarcastic tone of that author, seems to be a moron to me )
Keep in mind that Melenchon is way more radical than Corbyn ever was, and thus we can feel an enjoyable sense of pure freaking within the rulling Macronist class right now, that is well echoed by the eurocrat establishment in that piece :
https://www.theglobalist.com/melenchon-as-putins-useful-idiot/
Macron is panicking, one month ago, the control of the assembly was not at all a matter to be considered for him, as he was persuaded to retain his absolute majority and his whole bunch of petdog deputies in the upper room, that mechanicaly voted any law submitted by the the governement.
for a fair analysis , you can check that :
https://theanalysis.news/leftist-melenchon-as-french-pm-would-shake-europe-renaud-lambert/
I really doubt he is controlled opposition ( same for corbyn ), nor Le Pen, for that matter ( well, you can consider her to be controlled, if needed, to get Macron elected, twice.), but contrary to her, he comes with a brain, and not from a racist millionaire and self admitted torturer.
So let’s wait and see what happen for that « third round », coming sunday.

Posted by: malamatias | Jun 9 2022 22:27 utc | 175

Posted by: Jimmy | Jun 9 2022 21:06 utc | 144
Did Holland (“dutch” cancelled) government TV mention the price of LNG in Texass?
Fire at Key US Gas Export Terminal Hurts Fuel-Starved Europe

Almost one-fifth of all overseas shipments of gas from the US went via the terminal last month. […]The US sent nearly three-quarters of its LNG to Europe in the first four months of the year, with the region now getting almost half of its LNG supplies from across the Atlantic. […] The Freeport plant, which has the capacity to ship about 15 million tons per year, supplies gas to BP Plc and TotalEnergies SE in Europe, as well as Japan‘s ra Co. and Osaka Gas Co., and SK E&S Co. in South Korea.

(Yoon is headed for a Biden-world of hurt.)
European natural gas prices soar by almost 40% after fire at key US export terminal

UK natural gas futures surged around 33% to 172 pence per therm after the outage, while benchmark Dutch gas prices rose just under 12% to 88 euros per megawatt hour. Meanwhile, US Henry Hub gas futures fell just under 5% to $8.27 per MMBtu, as the outage would lead to a rise in domestic supply.

(Habeck headed to another “uncomfortable” meet with UAE?)

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 9 2022 22:29 utc | 176

A most interesting article from a series of engrossing articles on the Ukrainian war. Also the links and summaries provided in the comment section.
One missing piece in the puzzle is what Scholz and Macron were intending before February 21st.
Macron was talking of the need for a new security architecture. Up until that time most of the debate, though, was centred around NS2. Would Washington manage to get Scholz to drop it? I was one who thought not. My Germans friends thought not.
I thought also that there would be no war because of Scholz’s efforts to get Minsk 2 implemented. After his visit to Putin just before February 21st he spoke of the urgency of that and I believed him. The most powerful man in Europe, I reckoned, would not see his country damaged by sanctions merely because Kiev refused to observe the Minsk accords.
And then the shelling across the line of control intensified …
There have been some reports – gossip? rumour? I never saw it stated incontrovertibly – that in the coalition talks earlier Scholz had already agreed to the extra 100 million on defence. Also some indications that the sanctions war, which was really what was expected to hurt Russia terminally, had been in preparation in Brussels before the war.
So was Scholz fooling us all with his talk of Minsk 2? Was he, as Washington was obviously doing, really preparing for the imposition of sanctions well before?

Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 9 2022 22:34 utc | 177

@Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 22:24 utc | 172
And so the exaggeration of manning in Ukie combat units should be kept in mind when the introduction of complicated war machines are introduced, gear they requires full crews and full maintenance backup.
Speaking of manning, the US Army and Marine Corps now have women in the combat ranks under these terrible conditions. Just imagine that!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 9 2022 22:34 utc | 178

Posted by: ostro | Jun 9 2022 20:53 utc | 141
That’s so antebellum! Get with the program. Embrace the L!
More voices join call for EU grants instead of loans for Ukraine

“Ideally, the EU should provide actual grant flows to Ukraine every month, so that the country can continue operating its government under this extremely tough situation,” Wolff said.
Some EU countries, including Germany, are also reportedly in favour of grants instead of loans. According to EU sources, the matter is likely to come up at the upcoming EU summit early next week, where EU heads of state will discuss the situation in Ukraine. Calls for grants instead of loans are also coming from the president of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) Odile Renaud-Basso. In her view, a portion of the funding for Ukraine should be given via grants rather than loans to avoid additional debt LOL!.
[…]
The former Ukrainian economy minister Tymofiy Mylovanov also expressed concerns about the impact of loans on Ukraine’s economy and its ability to repay the debt.
“This will come from the [Ukrainian] budget and hence it will crowd out LOL! other spending, like education,” he told EURACTIV, adding that “this will weaken the government economically and politically.”

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 9 2022 22:38 utc | 179

bitching about the death penalty for mercs caught on the battlefield?
where to begin? the governments aren’t going to stop trying to send paid killers to the front, so how else are idiots and gullible and autistic and psychologically compromised and the desperately impoverished to get a ring from the clue phone? what about the rats like the “retired” military personnel captured? spies and spooks? are they covered by your faux concern for the death penalty?
back to the easy bake oven, moaobserver. don’t burn yourself on the heat lamp, w/your trollhouse cookies.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 9 2022 22:39 utc | 180

Stoltenberg was supposed to be visiting Scholz as we speak, dealing with German support for the war. But Stolty has a case of shingles, which can be painful, and didn’t travel.
Meanwhile, Scholz is dragging his feet on heavy equipment support which is a good thing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 9 2022 22:40 utc | 181

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 9 2022 22:09 utc | 166
Oh! You want the reference for “fascism”, above? Here it is!
James Henry Breasted, the father of the University of Chicago’s Oriental Institute (See Aramco World, November-December 1993), Chicago House is home, six months a year, to the Institute’s Epigraphic Survey. Epigraphy is the careful study of monumental texts—in this case hieroglyphic inscriptions that represent some of humankind’s earliest writing.
It was through the Oriental Institute, established in 1919 by the University of Chicago with substantial donations from John D. Rockefeller, Jr., that the Egyptologist put his plan to work.
“Mrs. Rockefeller read Breasted’s book Ancient Times to the children at bedtime,” noted Carlotta Maher, assistant to the director of Chicago House. “That was, I believe, the beginning of a personal friendship between Rockefeller and Breasted. He gave him the support he needed.” (See Aramco World, November-December 1993) This refers to Rockefeller, Jr.
In 1993, curious to learn what Nelson, David, Laurence, Winthrop, John III, and Abby Rockefeller ingested as little children, I then read Breasted’s Ancient Times.
So there you have it. A verifiable source for “fascism”, above # 175 ?. Read it! Spread it!
Breasted was no slouch! He nailed it! [and somehow American mis-education ignores him!]

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 9 2022 22:41 utc | 182

Jens Stoltenberg and the Bilderbergers are at it again.
The failures lecturing the spooks on why we lost and therapy for wardroop with special guest Henry Kissinger.
Jimmy Dore and Grayzone take a peek.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 9 2022 22:43 utc | 183

rjb1.5 | Jun 9 2022 22:39 utc | 179
and the international brotherhood of aryans and jihadi head chopper coalition being cultivated in Ukraine against Russia? do they get you for their Sister Prejean?
in my little American world, i know one neurologically and one psychiatrically atypical person who have tried their disabled little hearts out to go fight in Ukraine, from some part boredom and desire to get out of this shithole. try being autistic and/or schizophrenic in the US, plus all the typical PTSD. they make fighting the enemy in Ukraine sound so romantic, the sick fucks. it’ll be just like “Top Gun: Tailhook”!
some people caught up in the war and on the wrong side do deserve sympathy and not the death penalty. these two britons? please.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 9 2022 22:44 utc | 184

I wonder how the Canadian (Quebec) led Norman Brigade is faring, given the publicity that a firing squad might be in their (Canada, Oz, UK) future?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 9 2022 22:44 utc | 185

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 22:14 utc | 171
“An indication of the depths which naivete can plumb is the idea that enlistment in the war was a voluntary matter where the Gestapo ruled (it was in fact, the alternative to slave labour on a diet calculated to kill.)”
I believe this is inaccurate. The Waffen SS brigades were, I believe, volunteers. If this is false I need far more than your one line to persuade me otherwise. Btw, I am NOT a fan of the Nazis but I am also not a fan of the murderous Bolshevik communists who killed millions of their own countrymen and women in brutal fashion. You seem to deny that this took place.
Here is a little background on the Waffen SS. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p-59_Landwehr.html
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
Yes, this might be regarded by some as a controversial site but that is only because certain subjects and periods in history are subject to censorship despite our free speech conventions. The subject matter here though is the Waffen SS. I have read other accounts than the one linked above but these came up quickly in a search this morning.
FYI: I do NOT condone Nazi or any other atrocities including communist or the current Nazis in Ukraine. However, I don’t see why criticizing communist atrocities should automatically lead people like yourself to assume I am condoning Nazi atrocities. This is simply not true. There are debates about exactly what atrocities the Nazis perpetrated because over the decades stories which at first were believed were later found to be false. But finding some stories false is not the same as knowing the truth of what happened, it is just finding some stories false, doing which should also not be equated with condoning atrocities.
I believe your assertions about most of the volunteers in the Waffen SS are false. That’s fine, it’s your belief. These things are very hard to know for sure so many decades later. Maybe some were forced and some were not?
Also, whether or not the Bolsheviks perpetrated murders of millions as you say did not happen, MILLIONS in Europe decades ago believed they did, and on the basis of that belief – even if erroneous according to you in 2022 – they sacrificed their lives and I believe such sacrifice is worthy of respect.
Even if you are fighting an enemy to the death you can respect him. That is the old warrior’s way. The new post-communist post fascist way is to dehumanize them, to hate them and to hate or insult anyone who has anything even vaguely positive to say about any of them. This is extreme partisanship and I urge you, bevin, to knock it off or provide clear irrefutable evidence for what you keep saying.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that you can seriously state that there were not millions of murders perpetrated by what many at the time called ‘Jewish-Bolsheviks’ but perhaps you are right. If so, I would need to read some serious articles about it before changing my opinion. I had no idea until coming to this board that the communist slaughter-fest was something questioned (just like many find questioning the big H unbelievable). But you have questioned it and moreover drawn absurd conclusions from it and are now lecturing in a truly insufferable fashion.
So please: put up or shut up!
Look, there is a sea-change going on these days. I am quite open to the fact that the murdering communists of the 1920’s in Russia may not have been the same as the communists of the 1970’s and they may be quite different from the Russians today in terms of beliefs, constitution, behavior. Similarly, Germans from the 1910s, 1920’s, 1930’s, 1940’s and beyond went through extraordinary changes. So the Germans of today should not be judged to be the same as the Nazis of the 1940’s any more than today’s Russian should be assumed to be the same as the 1920’s Chekia.
Furthermore, when dealing with historical issues like this which occasionally rear their ugly heads, I think it rather silly for one person to insist that their facts are paramount such that anyone who disagrees with them is not only wrong, but morally beneath contempt. That in itself is contemptuous arrogance. Moreover it’s never just about the facts for facts, sad to say, are a matter of interpretation, i.e. opinion. Again: even if you are right that the 1920’s and 30’s communists did not murder anywhere from 20 – 60 million Russians, most of the Christians, there was and still is a widespread perception, i.e. honestly held opinion, that this was the case. Those holding that view are obviously going to regard Russians in a different light than those like yourself who seem to insist that such mass murders never happened. You are entitled to your view, but you don’t get to dictate that of other people.
Frankly, I think you have miscommunicated something here and very much doubt that you are claiming no such mass murdering happened perhaps because you prefer that communism wasn’t so badly stained by them. But that’s what happened (or what I and many others believe happened) and we all have to move on without tarring each other with insults and ugly inferences.
If you are going to have a new Eurasian civilization based on all the marvelous things Putin and Xi et alia say, then you are going to have to move beyond such things to accommodate those with other views. Is this endorsing the Nazis now in Ukraine? No it is not and making that leap is unworthy of someone with your obvious intelligence and passion for human society.
All best.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 9 2022 22:44 utc | 186

@96 Rodrigo:
Full agreement

Come on. There is no intelligence failure …. The objective was to cut Europe, particularly Germany, off from Russian energy–and by extension cut off China from Europe as well. The US saw the writing on the wall. Leave things alone and watch Europe get sucked into Asia–or throw a wrench in the works and grab Europe … rather than lose it. Mission accomplished. Better to see the world fragment into 2 blocks rather than lose it all. Bonus points, it’s good for US energy and agriculture.

Plausible deniability, §3

In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a powerful player or intelligence agency to pass the buck and to avoid blowback by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on its behalf by a third party that is ostensibly unconnected with the major player.

Putin, “”elensky, Scholz, Macron, Ursula to share the buck and some of them taking the blowback.
Unfortunately [for “Biden’s”], Russia was aware and smartest as us.
And “invaded”.

Posted by: Casablanca | Jun 9 2022 22:47 utc | 187

Pepe Escobar reviews Michael Hudson’s The Destiny of Civilization: Finance Capitalism, Industrial Capitalism or Socialism, which an excellent summation of Dr. Hudson’s work over his entire career. The good doctor is now 82 and feels the urgency related to the ticking clock–he has two other books in the process of publication, plus he continues to provide numerous, rather demanding interviews to most whomever asks. My purchase of Destiny gives my library an eighth addition to its collection, but I’m still not done as I’m eying the updated edition of Global Fracture, all his Peabody-related works and his further upcoming publications. All those will make him my library’s number-4 author after Shakespeare, Isaac Asimov, and Charles Austin Beard–excellent company to be sure.
As for Pepe’s review, it’s concise, although I’ll be first to admit it’s difficult to sift all the information provided–my copy is very heavily annotated–to render the review terse. Pepe hits most of the major points that are well presented and referenced. One reason Neoliberals avoid Hudson is they can’t defeat his arguments. Indeed, readers of his previous works will recall portions lifted from them into the current narrative. But then that must be expected since the book is the product of a series of lectures Hudson delivered in China, a fact Pepe omits. In a comment a week or so ago, I noted the Chinese perspective provided in the twin Forwards written for the book. I will add that reading his books isn’t a complete substitute for reading all the essays and interviews at Hudson’s website, which constitutes a very heavy load of work going back to the last century.
Given the amount of time Hudson’s putting into his book writings, he doesn’t have much time to consult on the construction of the new financial architecture. One thing buyers of the book ought to do once finished is to loan it to their likeminded friends after their spouses have read it of course. It’s not a technical book whatsoever, and a person ignorant of economics can easily understand the discussion.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 22:49 utc | 188

chu teh | Jun 9 2022 22:41 utc | 181
the reference “above” is 166 [not 175]

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 9 2022 22:55 utc | 189

@bevin 171
I picked the wrong tab to link. ONe was supposed to be:
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v03/v03p441_Degrelle.html
about and written by one of the Waffen SS commanders, Leon Degrelle.
Although I haven’t read them, no doubt there are many different opinions about this man and his brigade, but these are in his own words, i.e. a first-person account, and therefore worth some consideration.
Also, were it not for the extreme bloodiness of the communist revolution it is quite likely that the fascist movement in Germany would never have taken off the way it did. So there is blame and horror enough on all sides and on all continents throughout human history and trying to place all blames on one side whilst making one’s preferred one angelic just perpetuates the whole sorry business (just like British loyalists who cannot stomach contemplating just how many millions they murdered when they were up to bat….)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 9 2022 23:01 utc | 190

@ Arioch, Peter AU1, Tom_Q_Collins
Yeah, I was joking.
But the idea of Russia “flipping” Zelensky would be worth it just to watch the American and Western “Free Press” contort themselves into Orwellian pretzels to justify turning their Two Minutes of Hate campaign against the very same Saint Zelensky whom they have built up.
The vaunted Free Press is truly the Mighty Wurlitzer, as former CIA official Frank Wisner lovingly called it.
These “Watchdogs of Democracy” will play any tune that they are told to play, no matter how contrived, contradictory, or Orwellian.
The Mighty Wurlitzer
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/08/11/wur1-a11.html

Posted by: ak74 | Jun 9 2022 23:02 utc | 191

@ malamatias #174

I really doubt he is controlled opposition ( same for corbyn ), nor Le Pen, for that matter ( well, you can consider her to be controlled, if needed, to get Macron elected, twice.), but contrary to her, he comes with a brain, and not from a racist millionaire and self admitted torturer.

The French “opposition” is controlled by this political crap. Melenchon and LePen supporters[together 80% of “working classes” ] can agree on 99% on social issues, probably 90% on many other topics.
Kind of “BLM” issues , just useful to avoid them speaking to each other.
Who profits?
Calling LePen “racist” “fascist” is not only idiocy. But a fault
Diviser pour mieux régner

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 9 2022 23:05 utc | 192

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 9 2022 21:39 utc | 155
“There are major fault-lines rapidly opening in the U.S. oligarchic pantheon on this very point, and I expect that it’s becoming clear to all of them – both on-side and opposed to NeoCon policy – that the NeoCon experiment has hastened the demise of the Western Empire by many decades.”
Apple is five times bigger than Raytheon. Walmart is nine times bigger than Lockheed-Martin. Cutting these and other non-defense firms off from their Chinese markets and suppliers will be intolerable to the U.S. corporate establishment and will result in the downfall of the Neocons. That day cannot come too soon.

Posted by: HH | Jun 9 2022 23:06 utc | 193

In fact .. in a sense the USA and the UK have been successfull
They have been successfull in splitting EUROPE from RUSSIA
which has been forever a main goal of especially the UK but also lately that faction within the USA
allied with the sinister forces out of CITY of LONDON and its affiliate WALL STREET , the DAVOS PACK
the GLOBAL WARMING PACK the COVID 19 VACCINE PACK… not to forget the PERVERTED LGBT PACK.
They are ONE AND THE SAME … EVIL … PACK !
To sum it up : The Radicals married to the Globo Billionaires: SOROS , BLACK ROCK , BILL GATES , the ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION and all their ILK
who found common Ground in their Desire to DOMINATE EVERYONE ELSE and in that Process are about LOOSING IT ALL … INEVITABLY … because their base is out of CLAY : LIES , DECEIT , EXPLOITATION , WARMONGERING and MASSMURDER
This outcome : separating Europe from Russia was more important for the Anglosaxon Entity than anything else
because the Anglosphere knows that a Cooperation between Europe , Russia AND THE FAR EAST would make themselves only SECOND FIDDLE.
They are completely INDIFFERENT to Ukraine .. They couldnt care less !
BUT they are LOOSING which becomes clearer day by day
and they and all their entourage ( NATO for ex ) WILL PAY A HEFTY PRICE
especially for EUROPE the Outcome will be CATASTROPHIC and EUROPE will sink back into Irellevance
SAD TIMES FOR EUROPE
And SAD TIMES for the Americans too

Posted by: Ole Olesen | Jun 9 2022 23:08 utc | 194

As always, should you or any of your IM force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions Good luck, Jim!
Mission: Impossible was an outstanding, 100% successful PsyOp designed to get the American audience inured to the CIA’s illegalities and to be indifferent to its activities which at the time were genocidal in Southeast Asia and South America. The same can be said of The FBI Story and a host of other TV programming.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 9 2022 23:08 utc | 195

Don Bacon | Jun 9 2022 22:34 utc | 177
Apparently four SU-57’s have just started operating in Ukraine with the specific task of searching for and destroying any remaining SAM systems. To date have had the impression Russian aircraft are not going deep into Ukraine, instead using assorted missiles.
It makes me wonder if this clean up of any remaining air defence is preparation for intercepting the NATO MLRS systems before they can reach the frontlines or anywhere they can fire into Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2022 23:10 utc | 196

About a week ago someone posted a couple of posts from Telegram. One said that Zelensky was surrounded by NATO types who made the decisions and kept him in line and the other said that there were NATO forces embedded with the troops who could overturn any decision made by Ukrainian military leaders. The Telegram poster was Ukrainian.
I can’t remember who posted it, but a repost would be very helpful here.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2022 23:14 utc | 197

“Ten Percent of the bucks stop with me” POTUS Joe Bribem

Posted by: Willow | Jun 9 2022 23:17 utc | 198

La Bastille | Jun 9 2022 23:05 utc | 191
“Melenchon and LePen supporters[together 80% of “working classes” ] can agree on 99% on social issues, probably 90% on many other topics.”
Yep, that’s not wrong. They were also the main componant of the yellow vest.
But read me well, I was calling Le Pen the father ( Jean-Marie ) a racist, and that is a fact, not a fault.

Posted by: malamatias | Jun 9 2022 23:21 utc | 199

@90 Regarding Lavrov
I saw the Lavrov interview and gave it some thought. Ritter thought it was crucial. I believe a minister of foreign affairs needs to always expand the potential range of negotiations rather than limit it. It is highly doubtful that denazification in only Novorossiya would fly for the Russian Federation, unless there is a total capitulation with the rest of Ukraine agreeing to terms to denazify under a Russian protectorate.
Based on yesterday/today’s ludicrous comments by Zelensky there is zero probability that Ukraine will capitulate along those terms. And even if a new military government were to agree, the fight will change in type but not in substance: Russia will still need to exert control over all of Ukraine and impose its will to enforce denazification.
I believe a number of separate protectorates (Transcarpathia, StaraRus (Kiev-Chernigov-Poltava), Galicia-Venitsya) are likely.

Posted by: Jos Andre | Jun 9 2022 23:22 utc | 200