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June 17, 2022

Ukraine - The U.S. Is Moving Towards Escalation

The catastrophic economic consequences of the 'western' proxy war with Russia are setting in. As a result the high inflation, caused by supply side constrains due to sanctions and far too much spending, will ruin the middle classes of many countries.

To those who did not wear blinders and who knew of the real economies of the 'west' and Russia this was very predictable and predicted:

The U.S. is pushing its European 'allies' to commit economic suicide by sanctioning everything Russia. The U.S. should be more careful. It is one of the biggest buyers of Russian oil and its aircraft industry depends on titanium from Russia. Russia surely knows who is trying to hurt it the most and it surely knows how, and has the means to, hurt back.

The hurt has not at all reached its peak. This winter will be very difficult for Europe. Poor countries are even worse off. Many will experience hunger crises and riots.

Today the Russian president Vladimir Putin held a speech at the Petersburg economic forum. The transcript isn't out yet but here are excerpts from a Twitter thread:

The Eurasianist @Russ_Warrior - 12:58 UTC · Jun 17, 2022

⚡President Putin at #SPIEF2022: "The United States, having declared victory in the Cold War, declared themselves the messengers of God on earth, who have no obligations, but only interests. They seem not to notice that new powerful centers have formed on the planet"

Putin at #SPIEF2022: "The changes in the world are fundamental, pivotal and inexorable. And it is a mistake to believe that you can sit out at the time of rapid changes, wait out that supposedly everything will return to normal, everything will be as before. It won't!"
"There will be a deep degradation in Europe, current elites are going to be replaced" — President Putin at #SPIEF2022 "Their wrong policies will lead to an increase in nationalist and extremist sentiments in European society."
"The world was systematically driven into a huge global crisis by the countries of the so-called "G7" — President Putin at #SPIEF2022.
"The EU has totally lost its political sovereignty, its elites are dancing to someone else's tune, causing harm to their own population"
❗"Hunger in the poorest countries will be on the conscience of the West and the so-called European democracies" - President Putin at #SPIEF2022
"This problem has not arisen today, not in the last 3-4 months, and it is not #Russia's fault. We would be pleased to be so omnipotent. The situation has been getting worse for years, due to activities of those who planned to break trade flows," President Putin stressed
❗"Everyone who wants to continue to work/cooperate with Russia is being threatened by the United States" - President #Putin "However, this shows if real leaders are at the helm of a country or not", the president stressed.
"Russia is entering the coming era as a powerful sovereign country and only strong sovereign states can have their say in the emerging world order, or are doomed to remain or become a colony," President Putin concluded his speech at #SPIEF2022

Every word of that is true. Maybe Putin reads Moon of Alabama as I have made many of those points again and again.

It will not only be the current elite of Europe that will be replaced. The U.S. will see similar changes. Biden and the Democrats are toast:

The survey of 1,541 U.S. adults, which was conducted from June 10-13, found that if another presidential election were held today, more registered voters say they would cast ballots for Donald Trump (44%) than for Biden (42%) ...

Since Biden took office, no previous Yahoo News/YouGov poll has shown him trailing Trump (though Biden’s most recent leads have been within the margin of error, like this one is for Trump). One year ago, Biden led Trump by 9 percentage points. In 2020, Biden won the White House by more than 7 million votes.

Yet Biden’s job approval rating has been atrophying for much of the last year, and the new survey shows that it has never been weaker. A full 56% of Americans now disapprove of the president’s performance — the highest share to date — while just 39% approve. Three weeks ago, those numbers were 53% and 42%, respectively.

On average, Biden’s job approval scores are now a few points worse than Trump’s were at the parallel stage of his presidency.

Among all Americans, Trump (43%) now has a higher personal favorability rating than Biden (40%) as well. Meanwhile, nearly two-thirds of independents (64%) have an unfavorable opinion of Biden, and just 28% say they would vote for him over Trump.

At Asia Times David Goldman sees signs of Biden changing course on Ukraine:

A compromise in Ukraine with significant territorial concessions to Russia – the only conceivable way to end the war – would humiliate Washington.

A negotiated solution to the Ukraine war, though, is not impossible. Washington could continue to portray itself as the defender of Ukraine’s sovereignty while encouraging European leaders to do the dirty work and force Ukraine into negotiations with Moscow.

A possible hint in this direction came on June 14 from the US Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin H. Kahl, who declared: “We’re not going to tell the Ukrainians how to negotiate, what to negotiate and when to negotiate. They’re going to set those terms for themselves.”
The United States won’t tell Ukraine what to do, Undersecretary Kahl declared. But that doesn’t prevent other governments from making Zelensky an offer he can’t refuse. Zelensky adviser Oleksiy Arestovych told Germany’s Bild-Zeitung on June 16 that German Chancellor Scholz, French President Macron and Italian President Draghi might deliver such a demand to Zelensky during their current visit to Kyiv.

I hope that they did so. But today, without any announcement, the British prime minister Boris Johnson, undoubtedly on order of Biden, appeared in Kiev to lobby for more war just like he did at the end of March when he told Ukraine's president Zelensky to ditch the negotiations with Russia.

That is why I fear that Michael Brenner is right and that Biden will escalate the war by attacking somewhere else:

Necessity is the mother of invention — or so it is said. However, grasping what is “necessary” can be a very slippery business. An actual recasting of how one views a problematic situation normally is a last resort. Experience and history tell us that, as do behavioral experiments.
So, you are stuck with the albatross of a truncated, bankrupt Ukraine hung around your neck. There is nothing that you can do to cancel these givens — except a direct, perhaps suicidal test of force with Russia. Or, perhaps, a retaliatory challenge elsewhere. The latter is not readily available — for geographic reasons and because the West already has expended its arsenal of economic and political weaponry.

Over the past year, the U.S. attempted to foment Maiden style regime changes in Belarus and Kazakhstan. Both were foiled. The latter was with the connivance of Turkey, which deployed a contingent of bashi bazouks from the stock of Syrian jihadis it keeps on call in Idlib (to be deployed as President Recep Erdogan did more successfully in Libya and Azerbaijan).

There remains one conceivable sensitive target: Syria. There, the Israelis have become increasingly audacious in goading the Russians by airstrikes against Syrian infrastructure as well as military facilities.

Now, we see signs that Moscow’s tolerance is wearing thin, suggesting that further provocations could spark retaliation which Washington then could exploit to ratchet up tensions. To what avail? Not obvious — unless the ultras in the Biden administration are looking for the kind of direct confrontation that they’ve avoided in Ukraine, until now.

The implication is that the denial option and the incremental adjustment option are foreclosed. Serious rethinking is in order — logically speaking.

The most worrisome scenario sees the frustration and anger and anxiety building in Washington to the point where it encourages a reckless impulse to demonstrate American prowess. That could take the form of an attack on Iran in the company of Israel and Saudi Arabia — the region’s new odd couple.

Another, even grimmer prospect would be a contrived test of wills with China. Already we see growing evidence of that in the bellicose rhetoric of American leaders from U.S. President Joe Biden on down.

The Pentagon is not ready for a war on China. Iran is too strong and would respond to an attack by launching its huge missile arsenal on Israel and U.S. allies in the Gulf. This leaves Syria. It is unlikely by chance that the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the U.S. is coordinating Israeli airstrikes in that country:

WASHINGTON—Israel secretly coordinates with the U.S. on many of the airstrikes it carries out in Syria as the allies face a battlefield crowded with militant groups, Iranian-backed militias and foreign militaries, according to current and former U.S. officials.

I expect those airstrikes, like last week's attack on the airport of Damascus, to intensify with the hope to divert Russian attention from Ukraine.

Russia is of course 100% prepared for that but U.S. miscalculations that led to this are many and I do not expect that tendency to change anytime soon.

In his latest talk about The causes and consequences of the Ukraine war (vid) John Mearsheimer also speaks of why he thinks that an escalation is likely, and what the potential results might be. Without the Q&A it is only one hour long and well worth your time.

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WhirlX 93,

Whatever people think of Trump, it should now be recognized, that people who opposed him most vehemently are exactly the same people who brought war to Iraq, to Libya, to Syria and in former Ukrainia, they are, in short, warped sociopaths. The cruelty of DC's 3LA crowd knows bounds and is abetted by the fact that so few citizens have the ability to admit to themselves that their support of Biden was based on often repeated media lies.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 17 2022 20:12 utc | 101

Uncle Volody started his telethon tour demanding "no fly zone" from every government he ZOOMed to. I reckon, anybody still fishing with that bait counting on bombing the UA back to stone age, so they can build it back better.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 17 2022 20:18 utc | 102

Posted by: Paco | Jun 17 2022 20:09 utc | 96
It is normal for Simonyan, she is of Armenian descent and the chief of RT. Both the presidents were very good at replying. Its hard to budge them with questions. Putin didn't answer only one question. But, he said, he'd keep that answer to himself. And, everyone enjoyed that.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 17 2022 20:18 utc | 103

@ S Brennan | Jun 17 2022 20:12 utc | 100

I agree. Trump was not interested in wars. I think that he also bought some time for Russia, being probably not even aware of it.
But just for the sake of the argument, I do hope that there is someone clever in Pentagon to prevent this triple down escalation coming from NATO. As someone said: 'Russia doesn't bluff'

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 17 2022 20:20 utc | 104

oh, I see, it's that time of the month again.

CRS, Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-2022

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 17 2022 20:21 utc | 105

@ rk | Jun 17 2022 18:07 utc | 50
I read today that Spain will vaccinate the entire population in the fall.

Actually it is not mandatory. But at 93% vaccinated no doubt there is "social pressure".
For more than 2 years I have not been able to visit my family in Canada because I refuse the vaccine and 2 weeks in an expensive hotel (quarantine).
I hate the disgusting Trudeau. I hope he is gone and with him, his illogical covid policies before my parents die of old age!

Posted by: Steve Schmidt | Jun 17 2022 20:28 utc | 106

Stonebird @98--

IMO, they must first rise up against their national misleaders so they can break their bondage to NATO and EU and be prepared for the inevitable Gladio-like reprisals and counter-revolution. And yes, it must be noted this is a Class War, differing little from the 19th Century Revolutions against Royalty/Aristocracy, although there's a more specific goal--the deprivatization of all natural monopolies, banking and finance, which deprives Neoliberals of their incomes and their positions/status. And the goal is the same here within the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 20:30 utc | 107

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 17 2022 20:11 utc | 98

Yes, the gas dispute between Israel and Lebanon is yet another reason for the US to want to get involved in Lebanon. I'd almost forgotten about that although I did see something just recently about it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 17 2022 20:32 utc | 108

U r The Voice of Freedom

Posted by: Emile | Jun 17 2022 20:39 utc | 109

Israel already has received from Russia a warning that cannot be misunderstood after it delivered weaponry to UA. The result: Israel immediately withdrew itself from the UA theater and is taking now a neutral stand towards the SMO in the Ukraine.
Syria has received from Russia the latest updated version of the S300 air defence. Now how will an escalation between the US & RU look like when Israel continues to attack Syria with the best fighter planes that the US in stock? Just imagine that an updated S300 missile is being fired from Damascus at a F35 stealth plane... and imagine that the F35 is not able to free itself from this not-state-of-the-art missile. Just imagine then how the world will react when the US F35 stealth myth is being blown to pieces...

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Jun 17 2022 20:42 utc | 110

@JB 81

The EUs turks for instance will I believe not suffer a massive drop in living standards for the sake of the Wests pissing contest with Russia. Many of them listen to Erdogan and are themselves quite nationalistic. They dont care about it.

The black muslims and arabs in France for example have no reason to suffer because of the Putin Derangment Syndrome of white progressives.

There is a sizable narco maffia in the EU, noone speaks about it but it is a major problem undermining the authority of the state. What will the mafia do when the rich progressives - which are their nr1 customer - have less to spend on drugs? If there is an ecomonic downturn, the criminals suffer too.

Posted by: alek_a | Jun 17 2022 20:44 utc | 111

Russia can always send a few missiles to destroy the oil production and shipment installations of the Americans in northern Syria. The theft of Syrian oil has to stop.

Posted by: Nico | Jun 17 2022 20:50 utc | 112

@ 105. As everywhere, it depends what people are VA66inated with. There are safe ones available. These are saline solution.

While the USA exerts continued pressure, and continues to pursue a confrontational posture of "hairy chested bombast", it does seem that it needs a wake-up call*. Because it is not woke. Nuland & Blinken are maniacs whom represent insane megalomaniacs whom are even more demented. The commons, of course, have zero representation.

*I am a NIMBY, however. That means - not in my backyard.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 17 2022 20:51 utc | 113

Posted by: Paco | Jun 17 2022 20:09 utc | 96

If you want to watch it from the beginning,
But, only in Russian.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 17 2022 21:03 utc | 114

Peter the Great read a speech written for him, in Petersburg. Wonderful. And so quaint, the reference to his speech in Davos a year and a half ago. Ahhh, those were the days. Now, the head humanist has erased Peter's name from the WEF website. How the mighty have fallen.

Russia can do better, much better. But first they have to get beyond these ludicrous geriatric Soviets.

Posted by: Rangewolf | Jun 17 2022 21:04 utc | 115

I have feared for the last couple of weeks that Syria is now in a very vulnerable position. Without doubt, it was Russia that saved Syria from ISIS, American and Israeli aggression beginning in 2014 or so.

I am afraid that Syria might be toast. Russia is no position to help that poor state today. Israel and the US now has a free hand in destroying that state.

No could blame Russia for not giving Syria aid in today's environment.


Posted by: Toivos | Jun 17 2022 21:05 utc | 116

Roger @99 is right.

@1 is wrong.

There is no dividing line between a realist phase pre-1990 and a liberal phase post-1990.

This is not how grand strategy and foreign policies are made. They are not ideological fancies or preferences.

You need to start with the material realities of political economy. The US capitalist system, after 1945, required an open world economy for US industry to sell goods and access resources. That could only occur with capitalist governments and classes kept in place, protected with arms sales, US bases, and military interventions when coups and dictatorships failed. The Cold War was an American ideological invention to rationalize this strategy of imperialism. There is no 'realist' period because the same logic of capitalism and imperialism was at work. There is absolutely nothing in any realist theory which can explain the links between US capitalist imperatives and US foreign policy dynamics. Mearsheimer fails miserably to understand this.

Posted by: Tobie | Jun 17 2022 21:05 utc | 117

So, let's think about how escalation might work. A few postulates:
1) The US is VERY reluctant to take casualties
2) The US doesn't care one bit about any of its' allies / clients / satrapies taking casualties
3) The US is not about to accept defeat
4) The US is the only decision making center in the collective west

So, based on that, it seems to me the following options present themselves

A) UK/Poland and the baltics go on Safari in Ukraine. Poland (maybe) gets Galicia, something they want really badly. BoJo gets to cosplay Churchill, the UK gets to cosplay being a great power. It's all fun and games until/unless the RF and allies smash them into rubble, so the key question is the balance between overconfidence and cowardice on the parts of the UK and/or Poland. Big + is no direct risk to the US.
B) Israel and/or the US actually try invading Iran. Downside is that Israel is just as casualty averse as the US, and all those Iranian missiles mean anyone who's mastered joined up writing will be pretty reluctant to try that roll of the dice.
C) US tries turning Taiwan in Ukraine #2 (Or maybe Georgia #3). Downside is that every US simulation of this fight has them losing and going nuclear, and, of course, there's the whole mass USN casualties bit.
D) Some kind of long shot Romania eats Moldova and Transdniestria (There's no way Moldova will try that on its own) Romania's long wanted Moldova, but their nerve seems to be failing them. Nice option in the eyes of the collective west, as no one cares about any of the combatants, problem is getting Romania to go to war.

Out of these (and, as far as I can see, those are the possibilities, Syria's just got too many moving parts), it seems clear that the Poland , UK and the balts options looks the best, from a no US downside that they care about, and they may just be insane/desperate enough to try their luck.

My two cents worth, YMMV

Posted by: Stephen T Johnson | Jun 17 2022 21:07 utc | 118

"...Iran is an ally of Russia, a member of the SCO, a regional power, an end point for the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative. That gives the US a lot of reasons to want to attack Iran..."
Richard Steven Hack@73
And a lot of reasons not to attack Iran.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 21:09 utc | 119

No one knows what the US/NATO/Israel axis is currently working on as a response to the Donbas/Russia counteroffensive in Ukraine. However I believe the courageous and successful Donbas/Russia operation will act as a catalyst and will inspire other countries who don't want to remain colonies of the Empire to dare challenge the diktats of the Hegemon. Courage, determination and spirit are the best gifts Russia has to offer after gaining the military strength needed to deter agression.

Of course the US will escalate this ... maybe exposing the weak points of rhe Empire.

Posted by: Richard L | Jun 17 2022 21:12 utc | 120

RT has a story on the two American mercenaries who were captured (and are awaiting a death sentence) Thanks to the TOR browser I'm able to open the website of RT.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Jun 17 2022 21:14 utc | 121

Yves Smith at Naked Capitalism today ponders Noam Chomsky's recent statements on Russia-Ukraine.

Here's an excerpt but the entire piece is worth a read, even to someone like me, as it recaps many of the facts as well as the lies being told, all in one place.

Yves here. I wonder whether Chomsky really believes he is giving a fair-minded account of the background to the war in Ukraine or whether he thinks this is as far as he can go in the current environment. He does give important history, of the US security guarantees to Russia when the USSR dissolved with its famous “not one inch further east” commitment. Chomsky omits that the US engaged in intense domestic political interference to manage to get the extremely drunk and unpopular Yeltsin re-elected in 1996, and the big reason Russia did not push back against the 1997 and 2004 NATO expansions, aside from the US owning Yeltsin in 1997, was that Russia had been economically prostrated in the 1990s by US-supported plutocratic looting.

Chomsky completely ignores the eight years of civil war in Donbass, where the two oblasts sought independence to escape anti-ethnic-Russian persecution by the Maidan governments. 1.5 million refugees fled to Russia and Belarus and 14,000 locals died. He also presents Minsk II as if Zelensky had something to do with as, as opposed to it having been agreed as Minsk Accords in 2014 and as Minsk II in 2015 by Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE (France and Germany mediated; the breakaway republics signed but in an observer capacity). Of course, the US made sure Ukraine didn’t follow through.

Chomsky also leaves out that Putin was opposed to the separatists’ 2014 declarations of independence and that Russia pressed them in Minsk to accept mere greater autonomy within Ukraine.

And in more obligatory demonization of Putin, Chomsky falsely depicts him and Russia as being uninterested in diplomacy despite negotiating with the US in late 2021 and having the US not even deign to provide written replies to detailed Russian proposals. In December 2021, Emmanuel Macron also tried to intervene to revive Minsk and Germany saddled up again. But Zelensky rejected the new Minsk effort on February 15 as Ukraine was moving more troops to Donbass and the OSCE reported the level of shelling from Ukraine increased markedly, lending credence to the Russian claim that Ukraine was about to launch a new major offensive on Donbass.

And again, if Russia is so uninterested in diplomacy, why were they pursuing negotiations, Clausewitz-style, in Istanbul in March as they were still prosecuting the war? Russia was pleased with the progress, which of course is why the UK and US ordered Zelensky to repudiate the commitments made.

And the claim about Russia not wanting to “integrate” with the West is sheer fabrication. Putin tried repeatedly to improve relations with Europe, including his not-entirely-a-joke suggestion that Russia join NATO. Putin is often seen in Russia as having been far too accommodating to Europe for too long, swayed by his time in Germany. What was Nord Stream II, if not an effort to increase integration with Europe? And Russia funded half the construction cost; the other half came from four major energy players.

There’s also the bizarre notion that “Putin” needs a escape hatch. Huh? Russia is winning the war and the public, even former moderates, are firmly behind it, united both by the recognition that this is an existential fight for Russia and having that view confirmed by the intensity of Russia-hatred across the West. Even though Russia has taken a hit, it’s doing even better in the economic war. The longer it goes on, the more Russia recovers from the initial shock while the costs to the collective Wes escalate. The one way to get regime change in Russia would be for Putin to declare a ceasefire and sit down for talks.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2022 21:17 utc | 122

karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 20:30 utc | 106
Quite logical. The National nobodies (noblebodies) are put first in line deliberately. Placed there to take the pressure off those pulling strings behind.

Perhaps the only class war won by peasants was in Switzerland. There are still some of the original governmental formats and some cantonal independence, for their influence to be seen. This was partially due to Switzerland being a poor country. The Banking and bankers came later and found that the political system, a standing army, independence and security was to their liking.

In a way, that "peasant revolution" may be behind Putin's thinking. That the innate character of the "peasants", if it is allowed to develop, will be a bulwark against elitism.

But; It all depends on who the "peasants" identify with. In the US, traditionally the peasants identify with the "rich" or at least the TV American dream, and billionaired "success". In the UK, they often say they identify with the "loser" and take his her side against oppression. Actually it doesn't work out that way in practice, as "I'm all right jack" has made the UK into one of the countries least likely to revolt. In France, the object is to reduce the farming population to a minimum for the same reason, eliminate their independence (...from elite control)

Although I agree with your sentiment "there's a more specific goal--the deprivatization of all natural monopolies, banking and finance, which deprives Neoliberals of their incomes and their positions/status", you have to separate their attractivity for wannabes from their real character underneath. Then .... how are you going to do it? Pitchforks are soo passé and the majority of "woke" probably have never seen one.

PS. I'll come back to that later, as I have just learnt about another way of using QR tests to stop mass demonstrations, in China... Four Banks are being hidden from public wrath by declaring them "Covid Zones" and barring access. A fortnight quarantine/prison for anyone who dares to approach. "Savers beware, your assets have been "medicalized" and have beeen put in security, please stand back, thank you for your cooperation"

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 17 2022 21:18 utc | 123

Spanish perspective: when Napoleón asked Carlos IV to let french troops pass through Spain to attack Portugal, they stayed. Just as americano troops stayed in europe on the way to atack rusia. Occupied Europe continúes.

Waiting for the sound asleep american people to end the agresión Will requiere that those in charge feel the pain. Not likely. Perhaps the europeans Will wake Up and throw off the yoke. Not likely eirher.

Posted by: c | Jun 17 2022 21:22 utc | 124

CNN (online version) is probably the most faithful propaganda outlet of the Deep State. They have an top headline article titled "A team of nerd warriors is trying to destroy Russia's economy".

Seems Deep State is trying to convince readers and send a message to pundits the talking point that in fact sanctions are working and the Russian economy is really weak. Probably meant to counter act the growing sentiment that sanctions have hurt the West more than Russia. Don't you worry about run-way inflation and shortages of baby formula, the "financial whizzes" are on the job making sacrifices by plebs well worth it. Hey, pay Putin's tax happily. Looks like there will be secondary sanctions--for example, which I take to mean that the US will impose penalties on countries trying to relieve famine by importing Russian wheat will take it in the proverbial chin.

Posted by: Erelis | Jun 17 2022 21:27 utc | 125


Posted by: Orchard1 | Jun 17 2022 21:28 utc | 126

@ 103 WhirlX

Trumplethinskin is a Gameshow Host who builds Golf courses (maybe help build trenches, or should I say employs people who can reinforce a trench ) and Hotels.

Zelensky is also a Gameshow Host.

Do I prefer them to Biden? Yes of course, he's a slimy career politician who's had a hand in the decision making of every US conflict of the last 40 years.

That said, Sideshow-Bob would get 46% of the vote were he to run for either of the 2fer1 Parties.

Jingle=bells, jingle bells, jingle bells rock -

Drain The Swamp - Lock Her Up, were just that, jingles, Trump added to the Swamp, even gave Goldman Sachs the Keys to the Treasury.

In his first few weeks in Office, Trump, acting on FAKE NEWS of a Syrian Government Chemical attack on its own people (where have we heard that BS from before )?, he ordered the firing of 100 ballistic missiles into/onto Syria.

Still Trump was upfront, like Bush & Obama he wanted a cut of Syrian oil resources, that Bush (Haliburton ) and Obama (Exxon/? ) receive.

All POTUS's (spelling plural, POTI or POTUSES or something else?) are Lame Ducks; The CIA-MIC- BankCorp Rule The Roost.

Let's not get into Trump's LOVE for all things Israel. Mind you that could be playacting to the gallery for the money/stawk market cabal and his then biggest donor, the now deceased Zionist Casino & Numbers King, Shilldon Adelson.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 17 2022 21:30 utc | 127

"Vladimir Putin is without doubt the most outstanding statesman of the 21st Century."

Fidel Castro was still alive and in charge in the 21st century and he turned the tide of history twice. Once with the Cuban revolution and again with the liberation of southern Africa from apartheid. I agree that Vladimir Putin is an outstanding statesman and he may well become the most outstanding one of the 21st century. But he's not there yet.

Posted by: Chas | Jun 17 2022 21:31 utc | 128

Simple solution. Make Syria the Empire's Waterloo. Provide them with the weaponry and the experts to make a NATO attack on Syria so costly in men and hardware that the Empire will be exposed in all it's military weakness and will subsequently collapse.

Posted by: JEinCA | Jun 17 2022 21:31 utc | 129

@Eoin Clancy, Jun 17 2022 17:19 utc | 17
The game may be up for the Tories in the UK. Unfortunately, the alternative party is the controlled opposition. As VVP stated

Frankly, the democratic procedures and elections in Europe and the forces that come to power look like a front, because almost identical political parties come and go, while deep down things remain the same. The real interests of people and national businesses are being pushed further and further to the periphery.

Posted by: cirsium | Jun 17 2022 21:33 utc | 130

Thanks for that. It sums up most of the facts which, as historians will conclude, made Russia's SMO inevitable.
Chomsky is not writing out of ignorance but malice. Underneath his supposed 'anarchism' is a deep-seated russophobia compounded by a, very convenient in US Academic circles, hatred of the Soviet Union.
There are no two ways about it: Chomsky is acting as an apologist for US Imperialism. That is consistent with his lifelong career at MIT but a shameful way for a man as old as he is to be acting.
He had nothing to lose but the respect of people who are utterly worthless.

This business in Ukraine is not just breaking up the old world order, it is sorting out the sheep from the goats in the cultural sphere. I have been meaning to write something about Tariq Ali for example, another who, like Chomsky, is en route to the happy refuge that BH Levy presides over. The Arthur Koestler Arms I believe it is called.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 21:35 utc | 131

A thought on escalation, including the probability of suicidal escalation. I consider it very high in this instance and for a reason little if ever mentioned: the weight of homosexual and drug-addicted personalities inside the US Foreign Policy Establishment and indeed the whole MICIMATT. Those are not people given to clear thinking and emotional calm. Only God is real, so fear is counter-indicated.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Jun 17 2022 21:41 utc | 132

Kherson today, 17.06.2022
Double prices, Roubles and Hrywna. Rouble price is in larger letters. 1USD=60Roubles for calculations.
Prices are much cheaper than in the EU.
You can pay in Hrywna, but the check comes in Roubles.

Ahmad Ceylon tea, 147.90 Roubles (2.47USD)
Rice Mistral 1Kg, 160.90 Roubles (2.68USD)
10 eggs 60.40 Roubles (1 USD) one egg is 10 cents.
Practically half the price or even less than in the EU

Posted by: ostro | Jun 17 2022 21:43 utc | 133

Chomsky swallowed the nine elva boilerplate, and regurgitated it defensively to his audience (building 7 collapse due to office fires). At best, he's a limited hangout and a ( pretend left) gatekeeper.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 17 2022 21:43 utc | 134

Berdyansk June 17, 2022. First beach. Sea of Azov

Posted by: ostro | Jun 17 2022 21:52 utc | 135

There are no two ways about it: Chomsky is acting as an apologist for US Imperialism. Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 21:35 utc | 130

Com'on man, anti-imperialism is part of his bread and butter. His misreading of everything political since 9-11 is to protect his earlier hard earned legacy. Nothing worse for a lifelong academic than to be "cancelled" just before "shuffling off this mortal coil".

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 17 2022 21:55 utc | 136

Stonebird @122--

Thanks for your reply. To your question, Then .... how are you going to do it? I answered earlier that education is the key as has long been recognized, and not just of the favored few, for the entire citizenry, for only then can informed choices be made about their interests. And that's why Neoliberal elites are so reliant on the Information War since that's how they initially gained their position. Hudson, Keen, Parenti, Wolffe, and ilk are all brilliant and seek to educate, but they cannot do it alone. Here at MoA, it's not just the commentators that also need to be teachers, but the lurkers as well. There is no Army of One. By the way, Putin is an excellent teacher. Here's another brief excerpt from his speech that ought to have profound meaning for those living within deindustrialized nations:

"Real, lasting success, a sense of dignity and self-respect come only when you connect your future, the future of your children with your homeland. Many of us have been in a relationship for a long time, and I know the sentiments of many of our CEOs and owners. I have heard from you many times that business is much more than making a profit, it is so, and changing life around, contributing to the development of one's hometown, region, country as a whole is an extremely important thing for self-realization, serving people and society cannot be replaced. This is the whole meaning of life, the whole meaning of work is." [My Emphasis]

That's why MAGA was so profoundly appealing--it promised to return meaning to the lives of Americans who are now mostly directionless because there's no fulfillment provided by the vast majority of jobs--and I'm by no means the first person to recognize the emptiness, anomie, this promotes. Even digging ditches provides meaning that no burger flipping position can instill. A word once associated with work was gratification, which came from sensing your effort contributed to society. Note the difference between working to live and living to work. Neoliberalism promotes the latter.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 21:58 utc | 137

La debilidad de Siria proviene de la protección que Rusia le presta a Israel.Compárese con la fortaleza del Líbano donde Rusia no está presente. Allí no bombardea Israel para que no le bombardeen los libaneses.

Posted by: Frasco | Jun 17 2022 22:01 utc | 138

There are no two ways about it: Chomsky is acting as an apologist for US Imperialism.....
This business in Ukraine is not just breaking up the old world order, it is sorting out the sheep from the goats in the cultural sphere.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 21:35 utc | 130

Much of 'US Imperialism' is Zionist lobby especially in the Middle East. And much of 'US Imperialism' around Ukraine is both Zionist and non-Zionist Jewish (not always the same since many Jews in the West are not fond of the Zionist project) because of so many Jews whose forebears emigrated from central Europe and who have passed on a deep, visceral hatred of Russia and Russians going back to the Rus tribe pushing the Khazars out of the Kiev area.

This hatred for all things Russian is not something which many Europeans or Americans feel however since so many are afraid to mention Jews in public discourse a huge number of Russophiles right now are convinced that most Westerners hate Russia and Russians. Not true. But many of the Jewish movers and shakers in the West do indeed so hate. (I believe it's been a thing for centuries, no?, hence Solzhenitsyn's 200 years of living together finally translated into English in 2017 after years of suppression.)

I wonder what all the energy conflicts the past few decades would have been like if Israel had not been dropped right in the middle of one of its key zones and therefore also what US imperialism might have looked like without her having been joined at the hip with the Israel project from the very beginning of the United Nations. I believe many of the energy-related explanations for various conflicts are cover for Israelicentric thrusts to destabilize and weaken Arab neighbours in order to advantage herself somehow.

In any case, it is fair to say that a significant amount - if not the majority - of so-called US Imperialism comes from here being joined so with Israel, or 'Zionist', imperatives.

Which is yet another element in the makeup of 'The Empire of Lies.'

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 17 2022 22:06 utc | 139

I understand that the Ground Campaign is going to drastically change once RUS+Secessionists Break Trough Kiev's Donbass Defensive Lines.

Posted by: IronForge | Jun 17 2022 22:07 utc | 140

@ Karlof1 #65 & 18

Thanks for the debate. I hope interesting for all of us here.

When Putin said

The EU's money supply, in turn, has also increased dramatically over this period. Its volume increased by about 20 percent, or 2.5 trillion euros… .
They printed money in huge quantities, [...] including for the purchase of goods and services outside Western countries [...] . They literally began to "vacuum", to rake global markets. Naturally, no one thought about the interests of other states, including the poorest ones.

You wrote on your blog

no colonized nation's publics voted to become enslaved to NATO/EU which are now ruled by the Outlaw US Empire.

Again, the truth is slightly different.

When the Lisbon Treaty, which enshrines the surrender of sovereignty to the European bureaucracy and international finance, was put in place, the people accepted it.
The European nation's public were on the right side of the money printing press, the plundering could continue . They just let it go.

Sometimes, as in France, they had voted against it a few years before. But the modern, liberal and ecologist "left" supported this dissolution of nations. It even claimed its supranational character as a democratic development.

They now are fighting the remaining "sovereignist political leaders and organizations" like LePen "Rassemblement National " or "Alternative für Deutschland".

Melenchon et al. ask their supporters to vote tomorrow for Macron's party "to save our democracy" where they were defeated in first round last week.
And they even denounce "Putin's war on democracy in Ukraine"
What a dramatic joke.

The Europeans were on the right side of the money printing press, the plundering of the former colonies could continue for a France in deficit for 40 years, and Germany skimmed this monetary creation by developing its industry in the East at low cost.

I do not wish to reopen the debate, but the two years of Covid-19 crisis have been with an extraordinary participation of the European populations in this bureaucratic and financial integration that Macron, Scholz and Von der Leyen are finalizing. Hundreds of billions of euros have been created and distributed ab nihilo in the name of confinements that were supposed to protect our elderly from a virus while millions of young people continued to die of hunger and common diseases in exsanguinated countries.

The European populace take it. In France nearly 80% declared that Macron €200billions stimulus [all printed helicopter money] was a good idea for "our" economy.

So, not seeing anything, not hearing anything and especially not saying anything, is already an active complicity.

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 17 2022 22:07 utc | 141

Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 21:09 utc | 118
"And a lot of reasons not to attack Iran."

The problem is the neocons don't think like that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 17 2022 22:11 utc | 142

Putin: "After the first five months of this year, the federal budget has a surplus of 1.5 trillion rubles and the consolidated budget – a surplus of 3.3 trillion rubles. In May alone, the federal budget surplus reached almost half a trillion rubles, surpassing the figure for May 2021 more than four times over."

Check search results for budget surplus for the damaging effect on a countries economy of budget surplusses

Posted by: c | Jun 17 2022 22:14 utc | 143

The parallels between the pandemic and this conflict are emerging quite clearly.
Also the utter incompetence of those responsible, unfortunately the consequences of their incompetence will fall on ordinary people, rather than on themselves thus far.
The pandemic was not about Covid, it was about the vaccines.
The Ukraine conflict is not about democracy, the people of Ukraine, or any other noble ideal, it was a mechanism to impose sanctions on Russia.
Order ab Chao.
The imbeciles responsible thought they could control the chaos that they were going to unleash, first with the vaccine and now with the sanctions.
The full extent of the damage from the vaccines has yet to be realised, but the carnage that has been visited on the economies of Western Europe and the US as the sanctions do their work has been as devastating as it has been predictable.
They thought they could control the chaos.
They thought wrong.
The day of reckoning is coming.

Posted by: Orchard1 | Jun 17 2022 22:17 utc | 144

US military recruiting and retention is all but gone for all branches. Quality is under the floor, descending. Who do these Jewish-Anglican-Vatican Atheist Neocon tyrants comprising the US Foreign Policy Establishment and nearly all MICIMATT think is going to go out there and fight their endless wars of self-aggrandizement painted as patriotism for them?

WHO's going to do that? They know they will not win and will be told by their own civilian so-called leaders they are terrorists for even trying. Who wants to put their head in that noose?

Barely 20% of US males are qualified for military service anyway. Does Vicky Nudelman Nuland intend to learn how to shoot a rifle, command a battalion, plan operations, conceive strategics, organize logistics? Who's going to drive her submarines? Who is CIA going to get to assassinate or kidnap this person and that around the world? The criminal classes, that's who. And a nation can be a great power relying on such as those?

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Jun 17 2022 22:18 utc | 145

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 21:58 utc | 136

[Putin] "Real, lasting success, a sense of dignity and self-respect come only when you connect your future, the future of your children with your homeland. ....and changing life around, contributing to the development of one's hometown, region, country as a whole is an extremely important thing for self-realization, serving people and society cannot be replaced. This is the whole meaning of life, the whole meaning of work is."

That's why MAGA was so profoundly appealing--it promised to return meaning to the lives of Americans who are now mostly directionless because there's no fulfillment provided by the vast majority of jobs...."

Great point. That is why I find the whole business with Trump both sad and infuriating. The yearning of most of his supporters to be able to lead productive lives which also contribute positively to society IS the American Dream and clearly his political rallies gave people a sense of community they weren't getting in the streets and on TV any more. It saddened and infuriated me to see the wanton, crass, cruel and reckless way in which both he and his supporters have been vilified and even attacked, all under the guise of protesting racism and sexism and bigotry and who knows what. The national hate fest has essentially killed the country for the foreseeable future and had absolutely nothing to do with Trump.

What did it have to do with? There are many forces at work within the US (and other Western nations) that are bent on ensuring that the nation and its people remain weak and confused. Who knows why (I certainly don't) but clearly that is the case. For such interests a strong, vibrant, proud, rejoicing people is anathema. Any time healthy nationalism raises its head immediately the Demon Hitler is invoked and so all sense of pride is successfully quashed. We cannot get past the Nazis and if anyone ever tries they are shunned, banned, attacked.

But having a sense of pride in country, pride in community, pride in life, pride in work, pride in one's children, pride in Nature and so forth, there is nothing wrong with any of those things, indeed they give life meaning because contributing to them and enjoying them is how to live a meaningful life. It really is that simple. And yet America right now is hell-bent on negating any such qualities and values.

Sad and infuriating. Clearly Russia and China are not enemies in this regard, rather those elements within Western societies who assiduously work to ensure that no healthy nationalism is ever allowed to exist, let alone thrive.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 17 2022 22:19 utc | 146

Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 21:35 utc | 130

The biggest lie by omission in all of this is that Putin wanted to annex or otherwise assume control over the would-be autonomous republics. He wanted the opposite and for the European signatories to Minsk to work it out peacefully. That is hardly unusual even in Europe where several autonomously operational regions exist within the larger borders of EU countries.

I don't know much about Chomsky's history vis-a-vis the USSR or even Russia. My familiarity with him comes from his more well known books including Manufacturing Consent. But you're correct - He has nothing really to lose from just stating the truth; all of it. Instead he makes it a point to couch everything he says in evil Putin, Russophobic and....wait for it....utterly mainstream neolib/neocon narratives. My first thought was senility, TBH.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 17 2022 22:11 utc | 141

Exactly. They're lunatics in an echo bubble reinforcing their own past and present failures by framing them as successes and blueprints for future action.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2022 22:19 utc | 147

Posted by: Erelis | Jun 17 2022 21:27 utc | 124

Saw that earlier and thought I had posted it to this thread. Sometimes my posts get blanked out lately if I try to include a hyperlink. Ah, here it is. Looks like it worked fine this time.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 17 2022 22:23 utc | 148

@annie 34

"dh, i draw a clear connection between rising prices and Biden’s war although i didn't expect to be required to explain it (not my forte)! but it's not complicated. when you sanction one of the globes largest suppliers of energy (as well as other resources), intending to extract that energy from the global supply, it creates a contraction and scarcity and a scrambling to secure what remains, which forces prices to rise."

with you. and probably much more. i figure there are quite a few USAians on here who hate what we have become, blood dripping from the smiling IDPOL, straight white teeth smiles. anyway... i wish there were more of us--it's impossible to know since those of us who have friends lol and or most jobs, can't talk about it.

i pinned one post on FB, by Jacques Baud, and said if you want to know the context of the war, this is the best one I've found, and left it at that. Had to take a break from a long time blog where i truly care about the people...

glad you're here.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jun 17 2022 22:24 utc | 149

The thought processes of our Nuland/Kagan/Blinken Neocon braintrust is thoroughly revealed in "Dr. Strangelove (Or How I learned to stop worrying and love the Bmob)".

The concept of US American Leadership, especially concerning Biden can be better understood by this movie:

"Being There"

Biden as Chauncey Gardner.

(Though the Chauncey character is empathetic and human. Biden, can't even fake empathy, compassion and humanity at this point. These were never his strong suit. He always preferred Credit Card companies over plebes.)

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 17 2022 22:25 utc | 150

There has been a paradigmatic and epistemic rupture, set up by the pandemic and now by this first major challenge to the US hegemony since 1945. People like my father (born during ww2) and older GenX (born in the 60s, my gen too) simply cannot, for all their education and experience, countenance a world that does not have a form underwritten by US global liberalism.

I have never encountered in my entire life, and I can say this without hyperbole, such a refusal to engage in meaningful debate around first the pandemic and then the Ukraine War. The breakdown in communication is so profound it cannot be spoken about. A watershed has been crossed now.

I can only imagine that there have been moments in the past when a moral, social, political and economic order has been so imbricated with the way reality is perceived and represented that its failure and collapse are quite simply denied. An entire transitional generation lives in complete denial cocooned in a rapidly shrinking bubble and refusing to take responsibility for understanding what's happening.

I say all this because a conversation with my dad earlier in the week was a watershed for me. A retired professor, an artist, thinker, extraordinary teacher, I grew up wanting to emulate his life and his critical rigour. This week however he began a long ignorant inconsistent rant about Putin, Russia and the current situation that left me shocked and embarrassed. What left me so shaken was that it utterly lacked the critical rigour I grew up respecting so much. He blankly would not accept any counter-argument. It was especially marked by an intransigent refusal to think any other way about the historical context of Eastern Europe since 1991. It was full of canards and stereotypes about Russians, Putin, their history and military. This from the man who gave me the ability to do the very thing he now refused to do. This is not senility: he is as lucid on other subjects now as he was 20-30 years ago. I have never associated this kind of bull-headed stubborn and ideologically-blinded thinking with him. I had to look long in the mirror to ask: is it then me who's wrong? Could I be the one who has this all terribly wrong? I was moved almost to tears, so badly did I want to understand why he couldn't see...

His deep and profound—and unreflective—commitment to the totalizing dark matter of the global liberal order was laid bare in that one instant. The rage manifested was the rage of one whose whole life was founded on the absolute correctness of a singular version of reality. His was the Church's rage against Copernicus and Galileo, the rage of the bourgeoisie against Marx, the incredulity of one faced with the proof that one's age is not exceptional or fixed or even true.

And, as we all know, it's not just my dad. It cuts across family, friends, work colleagues, acquaintances. It's the norm. It's fed by a media who propagate it. They know in their gut the world is changing radically and they're terrified.

And since vast majority of the Western world share this view and respond in the same inchoate dumb way to what is happening, my question is this: would they be prepared to nuke it all into the Stone Age rather than accept that History has moved past them? Biden is only a year older than my old man... Wouldn't it be the most Faustian plot if the Boomers' story, which began with fighting the world, then owning the world, ended with them destroying the world?

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 17 2022 22:27 utc | 151

@ Scorpion #145

Thank you... eloquently stated.

at least in the opinion of this proud Trump Supporter.

Posted by: crone | Jun 17 2022 22:34 utc | 152

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 17 2022 22:27 utc | 150

Exceptionally pithy and moving post. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 17 2022 22:34 utc | 153

Of course. Ukraine's Nazi leaders, all of them, minus an unlucky cipher or two, are all quite alive and well, not to mention rich, safe and working for their fascist victory as usual and as we speak. Waiting for night to fall?

This mistake is, worse than ironic, absolutely counter to Russia's own "denazification" (a muddle of who is and who isn't and, again, in itself only solvable by destroying the regime, not its soldiers); this mistake, if time goes on and it will, is Russia's downfall. Yes, the West will open other fronts as long as Ukraine is left standing. Of course. As long as the Ukrainian regime survives, Russia can only lose. This paradigm is so, so simple.

On the bright side, this fascist Medusa has, still today, but one head.

Posted by: Lars Lansing | Jun 17 2022 22:34 utc | 154

@WJ | Jun 17 2022 17:37 utc | 30
All respect for Dr. Mearsheimer notwithstanding, I am not convinced. As a matter of fact, the West and their Ukrainian proxy have widely exhausted their means. Maybe except naval warfare, but it is left to see whether incidents like the sinking of a tugboat can be answered with adequate means.

If the harpoons remain too much of a threat, land-air operation in direction of Odessa or even Ismail rayon is always an alternative. On the main theatres of operation, I fail to see much halting the Russian slow, but steady advance. David P. Goldman from Asia Times (living in NYC) gives a different perspective from Mearsheimer's and thinks that the Biden admin is on the verge to fold:

Mind that the Ukrainians, when throwing cannon fodder into the eastern and southern meat grinders, feast on a scarce resource. From

Nine million have work abroad, according to the National Security and Defense Council of the Ukraine, and 3.2 million have full-time jobs in other countries. There are only 21 million Ukrainians between the ages of 20 and 55, which suggests that more than two-fifths of prime working-age Ukrainians earn their living elsewhere.

That was 4 weeks before the SMO. And about 3 million of those 21 lived in LDNR anyway, so 21-9-3. Since then, at least 6 million Ukrainians left the country westward, and 1.3m ca. to Russia and Belarus. Maybe 2 million children among them, and maybe 1-1.5 million came back to Ukraine since start of the hostilities, some even for fighting. Still this is no more than maybe 5-6 million people in working (and military) age. The 700k army already cripples any significant economic and social activity, and fantasies about 2 million soldiers are plain nonsense. And mind we are speaking about men and women (and di- or perverse :) too), all ok for clerks, but not necessarily for soldiers.

As long as NATO countries do not forcefully repatriate war refugees Ukraine may soon run out of Ukrainians. The end of refugee subsidies in several countries may be a step in that direction. But as long as they are not revoked refugee status and deported to Ukraine, it is doubtful that it will work. And at least for Germany, Austria, Netherlands etc. I fail to see that such a policy could be implemented without major frictions.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 17 2022 22:39 utc | 155

La Bastille @140--

Thanks for your reply. My info on the Treaty of Lisbon differs dramatically as it was never actually ratified via plebiscites/referenda:

"Negotiations to modify EU institutions began in 2001, resulting first in the proposed Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe, which would have repealed the existing European treaties and replaced them with a "constitution". Although ratified by a majority of member states, this was abandoned after being rejected by 55% of French voters on 29 May 2005[7][8] and then by 61% of Dutch voters on 1 June 2005.[9] After a "period of reflection", member states agreed instead to maintain the existing treaties and amend them, to bring into law a number of the reforms that had been envisaged in the abandoned constitution. An amending "reform" treaty was drawn up and signed in Lisbon in 2007. It was originally intended to have been ratified by all member states by the end of 2008. This timetable failed, primarily due to the initial rejection of the Treaty in June 2008 by the Irish electorate, a decision which was reversed in a second referendum in October 2009 after Ireland secured a number of concessions related to the treaty."

Not mentioned were the "adjustments" to the voting procedures that resulted in the reversal, which was widely discussed at the time. Fearing further rejections by national polities, that process was trashed and moved to ratification by parliaments that could be easily manipulated--bribed. And since the overseer of the project was NATO/Outlaw US Empire, it just printed the money for the bribes and doled them out. Bingo! Ratified Lisbon Treaty that reduced all nations to servants of NATO/EU/Outlaw US Empire. Europeans were railroaded into subordination to something they didn't want but couldn't do anything to reject. Soon thereafter followed the CIA contrived Arab Spring and the illegal, wanton Rape of Libya and massive inflow of refugees. Then in 2012 the War against Syria was launched sparking another wave of refugees, all of which served to cover the outrage over the enactment of Lisbon.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 22:45 utc | 156

@ Karlof1

they must first rise up against their national misleaders so they can break their bondage to NATO and EU

Yes, but as Putin said

Frankly, the democratic procedures and elections in Europe and the forces that come to power look like a front, because almost identical political parties come and go, while deep down things remain the same. The real interests of people and national businesses are being pushed further and further to the periphery.

Only possible when the partisans of real interest of people and national business will unite. But they have to cut ties with the "morale left" and accept "nationalism" a necessary trail to sovereignty.

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 17 2022 22:48 utc | 157

c @142--

It's one thing to plan for a budget surplus and another for it to happen as it has for Russia with a boom in revenues that provided the budget surplus. If you read Putin's SPIEF speech, you'll have read that he proposed billions in rubles in additional spending--employing that very surplus for the betterment of Russians.

One of the most obvious differences between Russia and the Outlaw US Empire is Putin's sustained effort over his tenure to improve the lot of all Russians and Russia, while no similar effort can be seen from the Empire aside from its doing all it can to increase the wealth of the .1%.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 22:51 utc | 158

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Jun 17 2022 21:41 utc | 131
"A thought on escalation, including the probability of suicidal escalation."
Yea it's my belief we are going from a four horses of the Apocalypse trot, (over the past 2000 years), to a full on gallop.
A couple of sayings from St Anthony the Great.
"God does not allow the same warfare and temptations to this generation as he did formerly, for men are weaker now and cannot bear so much."
"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us.'"
... We are ruled by slaves of the NWO and as it is said "slaves do not become good kings for they only answer to their masters."

Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 17 2022 22:54 utc | 159

I respect that the CIA via Op Mockingbird, and acknowledging that which I see with my own eyes, has control of and directs Mainstream media AND entertainment.

Interestingly, the 6th season of Netflix "Peaky Blinders" has the protagonist at odds with a multi-national fascist movement replete with all the Nazi symbolism.

The CIA is a master manipulator and offers up these "limited hangouts" at opportune times. Zeitgeist.

Such optical and aural conditioning serves a number of purposes. Softening of public perception is one.

Persistent movie itinerary depicts USA as arbiter of moral virtue and always the good guy / hero / savior of all that is "righteous" and good.

Rampant patriotism/nationalism (Fascism requires)

What else?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 17 2022 22:54 utc | 160

@ karlof1
Thanks for your post #136

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 17 2022 22:54 utc | 161

Woogs | Jun 17 2022 17:12 utc | 11

re... President #Putin "However, this shows if real leaders are at the helm of a country or not"...

There may be a better translation? Perhaps "real leaders" in the original Russian meant "not mis-leaders", because that works better to explain what "leaders" are...they are not "mis-leaders". A most important distinction.

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 17 2022 23:12 utc | 162

It would be interesting to hear more about those "adjustments" in Ireland's favour.

As I recall it the EU reacted with total rage at the Irish people's impertinence, which was all the more unexpected as all three (then) major parties Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour, plus the so-called Social Democrats, who between them dominated both houses of the Dail (legislature), urged people to vote for the EU.
Then, and this is all based on my memory, far from offering any real concessions to Ireland the familiar EU tactic of bullying the electorate (for which the EU has the deepest contempt) began. The voters were told that, if they didn't mend their ways, and vote for the BIG Boss in Brussels, Ireland might find itself expelled from the Union and reduced, once again, to poverty on the periphery.
One thing about the EU seems to be that it can never win a referendum: the people recognise it instinctively as the superficially modernised authoritarisan empire which it really is. A reincarnation of the Hapsburg thing that crushed half the continent until it expired leaving as its legacy a few bottles of vintage Tokay and nothing much else.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 23:12 utc | 163

On correct targets and wrong targets...leaders and mis-leaders.

We need a working definition for "target". Try this:

target = a selected object on which to cause an effect to bring about some desired change. Let's see if that is workable for our intentions.

In modern history that is readily accessible to our lifetimes, say the last 100 years or so, what have been, by actual demonstration, targets that clearly brought lasting change?

In terms of persons as targets, one might spot the 1917 "removal" of Russian Tsar Nocholas ll and his entire family dynasty he represented. Might well be a most helpful example that leads to helpful answers to our problems.
Right away, the facts show that earlier "removals" of a Tsar, leaving the Romanoff "dynasty" intact, actually made matters worse on those desiring change. *

* Russian history and Peter Kropotkin's own memoirs bear this out. Tsar Nicholas I freed the 25+ million Russian serfs [2 years before Lincoln freed the slaves]. Kropotkin as highest-rank cadet-officer in the Tsar's court, was there as guard by the anteroom door in 1862, when the Tsar signed the emancipation. Later, as widely known anarchist, PK warned to prevent Nicholas l assassination [and prevented at least 2 attempts] because he personally knew the Tsars' son Alexander ll and explained/predicted that the son would react by being far more reactionary/suppressive to the masses wanting change...which is exactly what happened in 1882 when Nicholas l was assassinated and son Alexander ll became Tsar...
Finally, in 1917 the entire "family dynasty" was "removed".

Here we are in 2022 looking back for answers to how to handle mis-leaders.
Got any ideas?

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 17 2022 23:17 utc | 164

Scorpion @145--

Thanks for your reply. Trump in many ways remains a mystery. I agreed with his MAGA point but greatly disagreed with his plan to implement it. Same with his foreign policy. And I abhorred his appointments. The only thing that was clear was the Ds utterly deep hatred for him as they instigated a HUGE LIE--Russiagate--that Trump rather meekly fought against. PLUS, there was his refusal to prosecute Hillary Clinton or Obama for their many easily proven crimes. So, what many of us here did was to separate the polity that supported Trump from Trump and those with Trump Derangement Syndrome.

As I wrote last year, there's an inherent progressive thread within Classical Conservatism--what I also call Farmer's Conservatism--that remains prominent within Republicans. It could also be called Taft Conservatism after the President, who in reality was a Progressive. In fact, most Progressives were formed from classical conservative cloth. Henry Wallace is an outstanding example. IMO, a politician capable of articulating those values who can cobble together like-minded allies can win big enough to overcome vote manipulation. Yes, that person would be branded a Populist. But given the genuine state of the nation and a well thought-out plan, it would be possible to halt many of Neoliberalism's ill affects and change the nation's direction. The key question: Does someone like that exist?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 23:22 utc | 165

re my #163

Re "dynasty"... the USA has a set of "Continuity Of Government" laws...that it did not have prior to events of 2001.

See any connection?

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 17 2022 23:24 utc | 166


from Southfront, and the mercenaries/foreign fighters in the Ukraine.
fact or fiction or war propaganda?

"....the Russian Defense Ministry released details on the situation with foreign mercenaries involved in the conflict in Ukraine:
For example, among European countries, Poland is the undisputed leader in terms of the number of mercenaries both arriving and dying. Since the beginning of the special military operation, 1,831 people have arrived in Ukraine, of whom 378 have already been killed and 272 mercenaries have departed for their homeland. It is followed by Romania with 504 arrivals, 102 deaths and 98 departures. The UK is in third place: 422 arrivals, 101 deaths, 95 departures.

Among the Americas, Canada leads the way: 601 arrivals, 162 deaths, 169 departures. The USA comes second: 530 arrivals, 214 deaths, 227 departures.

From the Middle East, Transcaucasus and Asia....."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 17 2022 23:25 utc | 167


Very nice post.

I have to wonder if this is something to do with the influence of the internet. There is something about how people become mesmerised by the glowing portal that they have "control" over - they don't see their neuronal networks being reformatted back to them.. Especially older people.

In today's internet there is a niche website for every individual. Not just Fox News versus NBC. The narratives are centralised, the algorithm - personalised.

An interesting video today;

John Mark Dougan reports from Azovstal.

Graham Phillips makes a cameo appearance; his intense interlocutor is Daria Dugina - Alexander Dugin's daughter! Seems to be an interesting crew.

Dugin is an odd character; his obsession with challenging 'modernism' - is really quite derivative of conventional debates in Western social sciences.

Whereby 'modernism' means whatever you want it to mean - in his case he has a negative definition - so in academia you can have endless discourses and treatises on the topic. The key is to define it broadly, or even better - not at all. You can get tenure doing this.

Western media treats him as some sort of terrifying Rasputin ultra-rightist, which is a cheap smear. But like most anti-communists who drift outside 'respectable' milieus, he is a rube who mystifies social life in an auto-didactic way, and resents Marxist intellectuals for seeing this. The orthodox stuff is fundamentally an affectation.

It must have been interesting growing up in his household.

Posted by: moabeobachter | Jun 17 2022 23:29 utc | 168

Patroklos @150--

Wow! Profoundly painful to be sure. I'm reminded of The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today's Students by Allan Bloom which was suggested to me by my philosophy prof in 1997 when it was already ten years old. He said it went well with the Christopher Lasch work I was then reading, The Culture of Narcissism, so I got it from the library and read it. As I went through my college experience which I restarted in 1996, I was surprised by the dogmatism I encountered at times, particularly by economics profs. I was extremely fortunate to meet a humanities professor now since passed who had composed a method of learning where keeping an open mind was absolutely essential as was examining other points-of-view which he called Schools of Thought. Now that it's going on 25 years since I learned that method, it's easy to see the importance of being open minded. It seems very likely that as we age our ability to accept new things and remain open minded is compromised. In that manner, you can learn from your dad, and still see him as a teacher.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 23:42 utc | 169

@ karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 22:45 utc | 155
Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe was first blocked but

as Putin said

political parties similar to twins change each other in power. However, the very essence does not change from this. The real interests of citizens and national business are being pushed further and further to the margins, to the periphery.

They just wait, wrote some cosmetics, bribe a pair of "Servants of the People"...

France - Monde
Publié le 04/02/2008 à 19:52

La révision de la Constitution, préalable nécessaire à la ratification du traité européen de Lisbonne, a été adoptée lundi par les sénateurs et les députés réunis en Congrès à Versailles.

La révision -où la majorité des trois cinquièmes (445) des suffrages exprimés (741) était requise- a été approuvée par 560 voix contre 181. Sur les 907 parlementaires inscrits (un poste de sénateur vacant), 893 ont participé au vote. 152 parlementaires se sont donc abstenus.

Machine translated
The revision of the Constitution, necessary preliminary to the ratification of the European treaty of Lisbon, was adopted Monday by the senators and the deputies gathered in Congress in Versailles.

The revision -where the majority of three fifths (445) of the votes cast (741) was required- was approved by 560 votes against 181. Of the 907 registered parliamentarians (one senator's seat vacant), 893 participated in the vote. 152 parliamentarians abstained.

Socialist Party parlementarians mostly abstained. They don't opposed. Even when their supporters were massively [75%] against. Their will was pushed further and further to the margins, to the periphery.

But if "the left" had decided to voted "full No" to the ratification and mobilise, it was possible to win [3/5 from 907 = 545, only 15-20 to convince ].

That's why we use to think "tous pourris".
After that, the whole left in France was toasted and turn to Rainbow Left [kind of Unicorn Party]. Sovereignist joined LePen, up to nearly 50% but were isolated and demonized as far right nationalist. Those who support the Frexit are now a few 5% of population.

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 17 2022 23:42 utc | 170

dh #51 re misfit, unfortunately yes, somewhat. as a result i mostly engage in politics online, it's just not worth it trying to engage people who get most of their news on tv or npr. there are definitely americans who know what's going on, but it's rather mindboggling to me how many people buy into this anti russia anti putin stuff.

david #79, yeah, biden's tax is fine with me.

polarbear4 #148 i'm glad you're here too!

Posted by: annie | Jun 17 2022 23:47 utc | 171

@ S Brennan | Jun 17 2022 20:12 utc | 100

I agree. Trump was not interested in wars. I think that he also bought some time for Russia, being probably not even aware of it.
But just for the sake of the argument, I do hope that there is someone clever in Pentagon to prevent this triple down escalation coming from NATO. As someone said: 'Russia doesn't bluff'

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 17 2022 20:20 utc | 103

What planet do Americans live on? Trump assassinated Soleimani in broad daylight and gloated over it. You don't call that a provocation to war?
That there was no war response was down to Iran not to Trump.

He is a bull in a china shop as opposed to Biden's sneaky kid in a candy store. Biden is more of a war hawk ostensibly but only an idiot would say that Trump was not interested in war.

'Remember "we stole the oil"? well that oil was / is stolen by a US war of aggression.

US Americans play with words as if words change reality. They don't. US is still bombing Syria and stealing the oil. Under Obama, Under Trump, under Biden.

Posted by: K | Jun 17 2022 23:52 utc | 172

I should think that Israeli cities and military installations are highly vulnerable to missile attacks coming from Iran, Syria and Lebanon (Hezbollah). US supplied Patriot air defense systems have always underperformed the hype that comes with them. Are Israeli citizens prepared to be on the receiving end of bombardment for a change? I suspect the answer is “no,” but Israel’s political leaders are as incompetent as those in Europe and the US, and they may be persuaded that the time is ripe to go for broke.

Posted by: Rob | Jun 17 2022 23:53 utc | 173

bevin @162--

Thanks for your reply. At the time I was mostly commenting at CommonDreams where there were several discussions related to the coercion, although they were overshadowed by the upcoming election and economic disaster. I was still mostly interested and immersed in US History, and I didn't give it the attention it clearly merited. However, I'm sure there're plenty of Europeans who can recall much from that time.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 23:55 utc | 174

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 17 2022 22:27 utc | 150
You're not the only one my friend. What you said is a deja vu moment for myself, with my father... Pure Hatred.

Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 17 2022 23:57 utc | 175

i figure there are quite a few USAians on here who hate what we have become...

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jun 17 2022 22:24 utc | 148

That would be my guess also, being as I'm among them.

Posted by: David Levin | Jun 17 2022 23:57 utc | 176

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 17 2022 22:27 utc | 150

I'm sorry to hear about your experience but believe me it's by no means unique.

One might think people can and do question what they're fed but when it comes to Russia and China they would swallow it whole.

I've resigned to the fact that a great many will never change their views as it was built up over decades of FUD. And as with neanderthals, tribalism trumps empathy every time.

Sadly, looking upon history for precedents, it might very much require their conquering (be it military, economic, cultural, technological), and their books and history "rewritten" for our truth to win over theirs...

C'est la vie....

Posted by: A.L. | Jun 18 2022 0:03 utc | 177

Patroklos, about a month ago i was in LA celebrating my bday with my son and his good friend. after dinner we went to a bar and the subject of Ukraine came up. i've been political his entire adult life tho not his entire childhood and for the most part he shares my opinions, with minor exception. but both him and his friend were aghast i supported Russia in this war. when i tried to give them some background on nato they didn't want to hear it. they acted like i was the crazy auntie who'd gone off the deep end. i'm hoping they'll come around but the experience was awful. they are both 36.

Posted by: annie | Jun 18 2022 0:07 utc | 178

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 23:22 utc | 164
"The key question: Does someone like that exist?"


The main problem you stated: "who can cobble together like-minded allies can win big enough to overcome vote manipulation." There aren't enough "like-minded allies" in the US electorate - depending on how one defines allies - who can "win big". As for vote manipulation, that happens before the election, not during it, so it can't be defeated because it's controlled by the existing parties. And then you have the party oligarchs that prevent the existing parties from being taken over - Trump was just a variant, not a real outsider - and they also insure by manipulation that no third party like Jimmy Dore's "People's Party" can ever have an effect.

The only way the US systems changes is 1) major economic collapse, and/or severe military defeat - and even then, the odds favor a populist fascism arising.

You're up against human nature and that is not a winning hand.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 18 2022 0:08 utc | 179

In response to Arfur Mo@95,

They might as well mount an attack on a Russian border post. Preventing land access to an exclave is and would be treated as an act of war. They'd be left to own that decision by their NATO allies, although I'm sure the Western press would have a field day ridiculing Russia for declaring self-defense in the UNSC.

In response to Patroklos@150,

I think that the reality of contemporary geopolitics has a way of making its presence felt, by virtue of the how interconnected the global system is in all respects. If the argument revolved around a heretical idea of cosmology, the belief in which had no influence on the life and well being of the general population, then outright rejection of a more rational or accurate model could continue in perpetuity. If that same cosmological idea starts directly influencing people's lives, especially in a bad way, authorities that reject or ignore it drastically lose their influence over the public, as does their ideology.

I would like to believe that this is what we're seeing and what you're describing with your father. Anger is the second stage of grief, after all, so we should perhaps keep an eye out for bargaining next.

As for Western elites taking the whole world down together with their world view, it's possible. I saw a video today with Yevhen Karas where he encouraged Ukrainian soldiers to, rather than dying in trenches like dogs, take some initiative and fill cars with explosives and conduct suicide bombing attacks against Russian positions like heroes. He was recording this while behind the wheel, but I don't believe he was in the process of setting an example.

Somehow I expect him to cling to life until the very last breath. Intolerance of others and rejection of the opinions of others, unabashed self-admiration and ideas of superiority -- this culture of egoism should logically be an obstacle in the way of deliberate self-termination.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 18 2022 0:11 utc | 180

President Dubya Bush, frat boy mass murderer, acknowledged recently that Russia's agreement with USA was revocable because "times change".

That agreement required no further NATO expansion (missiles, bases) in former Soviet countries. IN exchange for removal of Soviet Bases in East Germany.

Ergo, the USA is not capable of honoring treaties.

Of course, one can ask any Indian Nation about that.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 18 2022 0:29 utc | 181

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 17 2022 22:07 utc | 140

"Sometimes, as in France, they had voted against it a few years before. But the modern, liberal and ecologist "left" supported this dissolution of nations. It even claimed its supranational character as a democratic development."

I've heard that laius elsewhere, too often..
And who did vote against that Lisbonne treaty, and maastritch ,on the left, remember ? was'nt that fucking melenchon ?

"Melenchon et al. ask their supporters to vote tomorrow for Macron's party "to save our democracy" where they were defeated in first round last week"

Waouw , repeat that not blinking, La bastille, please.

We show our true colors ain't we ? Are you complaining that Lefties doesn't endorse a far right dumbass bimbo that has never represented a threat for the power in charge, end never will ?( her turn to power will come , as elsewhere, don't worry ).

Or no? What is your call for the 300 duels and so between Macron and Melenchon ? "save our democracy" from the commies ? You re in the xenophobic clan of the armchairs warlords I realize, so let me tell : your blondie heroine has no clues and no plans whatsoever appart from throwing out immigrants/blacks/arabs/muslims..etc, the poor against the poorests, as usual. and that's all. In any case ,the turbocapitalists who pilots France would love her to run the show, but a bit latter, let's finish with that one before, he's so pretty and young !.
She ain't scare them, at all, she's part of their world, and will follow orders. Melenchon terrify them, he wants to rob them pockets, thus the constant MSM artillery barrage.

As for the Ukrainian issue..anyone with a brain sees that Melenchon understand very well what is at stake here, beyond the (un)necessary humanitarian blabla, in terms of political history, neutrality, and multipolarity. A bit like his bunch of "bolivarian" friends maybe ? What do Marine thinks about that, does she even realy think at all ? Our oligarchs will use her like a towel whenever they want if she's in charge ( 2027 )
Sorry for that , She just do not have the cognitive capabilities to understand international relations, or philosophy, or grant politics..etc.. , she have to rely on counsellers for that. Those counsellers are of the same kind of those advising Zelensky nowadays. White supremacists .Scumbags . Olds faces, old story. new faces, old story again.

So tell me what's your plan, Marine Le Pen and you La bastille,? on sunday will you vote for nupes against Macron, will you at least vote blank as we did last time, or will you vote for Macron, against us, the radicalised ?

Hey, don't worry, He ain't gonna have a majority or become PM. But a real left will weight in, and the assembly will be a fucking mess, as never seen before: the french parlementary TV channel will soon become the most entertaining reality TV show out there.

Posted by: malamatias | Jun 18 2022 0:31 utc | 182

Biden was in on the 2014 Ukraine coup from the get go. To concede anything at this point is to admit that the whole Ukraine project to bring it into the Western fold was a massive f__king mistake. The neocons, including Biden, would be essentially saying "We were f__king idiots with no business in any position of power. We'll do the right thing and walk around the rest of our lives with a bell around our necks."

Posted by: Mike R | Jun 18 2022 0:32 utc | 183

The rage manifested was the rage of one whose whole life was founded on the absolute correctness of a singular version of reality.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 17 2022 22:27 utc | 150

I think it would be rare to find a person such that, for any belief the person holds, (s)he would genuinely be open to examining its foundation, which would include acknowledging when a belief rests on intuition or other intangible foundation. I have long tried to be such a person, but the "trick" is that you never can be sure that you've accomplished it (because one cannot perceive one's "blind spots").

So, I'm wondering to what extent your father's reaction might be attributed to the human tendency to implicitly accept certain ideas. That is, maybe you (or anyone else) would react similarly if one of your (or the person's) implicit beliefs were questioned.

Posted by: David Levin | Jun 18 2022 0:32 utc | 184

"You shall hear of wars and rumors of wars.... Nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in diverse places. But the end is not yet...."

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 18 2022 0:47 utc | 185

Posted by: Mike R | Jun 18 2022 0:32 utc | 182

As Mercouris' has been saying, the neocons "have no off switch". All they know how to do is double-down on their failed projects. They'll do it again in Ukraine - and Syria - and Iran - and China. Since the US electorate never hands them any consequences of their disasters, they have absolutely no reason not to.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 18 2022 0:49 utc | 186

Is the US working itself up to a nuclear first strike? We'd better believe there are individuals within the government and think thanks arguing for it.

Posted by: Richard | Jun 18 2022 1:07 utc | 187

Posted by: K | Jun 17 2022 23:52 utc | 171

Remember there was an Iranian attack on a US airbase in Iraq the Iranians named Operation Martyr Soleimani. It ended in national tragedy for Iran which significantly cooled things down for Iran and likely also demonstrated Iranian capabilities to the US that the US did not want to engage further at that time.

Posted by: David | Jun 18 2022 1:16 utc | 188

I am an American who sees a connection with high gas prices and the war on Russia, but not the same connection you do.
I think it was Karlof1 who mentioned the oil depletion allowance a few days ago. That law was passed back when all grownups understood that oil is a finite resource and it would run out, hence the name of the bill. (Not that I think the tax breaks were justified, but that is a different subject).
Decades later, well into peak oil, grown men and women are unable to understand that oil is a finite resource. They indulge in the typical American "we make our own reality" thought.
The logic goes like this: "Our whole society depends on oil therefore oil is infinite and it is only our mean leaders who keep us from what we want".
I am pretty sure that the planners who are trying to destroy the Russian government in order to take Russia's oil are not that simplistic.
The US is occupying 30% of Syrian land, let us not forget. The part they are occupying has most of the oil. Coincidence? I think not. The US is stealing Syrian oil and is even building a refinery on Syrian land.
That is also the part of Syria with the best farmland. The US is preventing the wheat grown there from being delivered to the rest of Syria, both by blockade and by burning the wheat fields.
Then they point fingers at Russia claiming that Russians are responsible for mass starvation.
The hypocrisy is difficult to take.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 18 2022 1:19 utc | 189

As fighting continues in the LPR's Severodonetsk, more and more civilians are condemning the Kiev regime's forces for shelling their homes and other civilian infrastructure.

Watch the video here:

Posted by: Nate | Jun 18 2022 1:21 utc | 190

Some humor from the front.

"Nazi? What's that?"

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 18 2022 1:24 utc | 191

Where's George Washington when we need him. . .
. . .from his farewell address, 1796

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course…
Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 18 2022 1:25 utc | 192

The crypto-crats have taken much advantage of America's (too) trusting nature to force through a multitude of agendae to enrich themselves at other's expense.

It doesn't matter who we vote for anymore - it's the same guy... different name.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 18 2022 1:30 utc | 193

i'm hoping they'll come around but the experience was awful. they are both 36.
@ annie | Jun 18 2022 0:07 utc | 177

This tears people apart all over the place. Those aghast at our sympathies always share the characteristic you note: "they didn't want to hear it." Commentators and left-media leaders (Amy Goodman, Jeffrey St. Clair) have flipped into an alternate universe. My working theory to explain such monumental regnant madness: The proxy war in Ukraine has touched a very old live-wire, bunched up and ready to jump up to 50,000 volts, called Russophobia. Perhaps the name of a thousand-year-old flavor of eliminationist racism can illuminate the mass-psychosis sweeping over us.

Guy Mettan's Creating Russophobia: from the great religious schism to anti-Putin hysteria (2017) has been illuminating for me. I keep wondering: Where in the heck did such intense hatred of Russians come from, all the sudden? You can't dig deep enough, pulling at that taproot. Reach back 210 years, to 1812, to encounter Napoleon's propagandist relating the forged will of Peter the Great. It appears in various forms, always so consonant with primal European fears of the Eastern Horde as to be swallowed uncritically at every juncture.

Russophobia fits neatly into two halves of a nutshell:
(1) A simple formula characterizing anti-Slav hatred, from time immemorial: despotic, barbaric, backward. (Despot means "king of slavs," naturally.)
(2) This incredibly stupid Peter the Great forgery. Easily as historically consequential as the Protocols of the Elders forgery we've heard of (at least some of us have heard it's a forgery!) but who has ever heard of the great Russophobic forgery? Incidentally: a version of this forgery is whence the term "iron curtain" originates. Did you know that?

Mettan quotes an 1876 version of the forgery, from a French bishop:

The Great God to whom we owe our existence and our crown, having constantly enlightened us with His lights and provided us with His divine support, allows us, in our views, which we believe to be those of Providence, to consider the Russian people as destined, in the future, for the general domination of Europe.

Crude stuff. People reading garbage like this take it to heart it because they really want to.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 18 2022 1:31 utc | 194

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 17 2022 18:37 utc | 65

Thank you, karlof1. I am struck after reading Putin's opening address at the economic forum by the similarity in his approach to ideas Dostoievski expressed in his famous speech just before his death in praise of Pushkin (easy to find in a search but a link also was on the recent Saker Open thread). The suggestion Dostoievski was making in that speech is that Pushkin was a great Russian poet not only because he understood Russians but because he had empathy for other national characters - he knew how to think like them.

I think Putin has that ability also, or at least makes a genuine attempt to do so.

Our leaders don't. We must change that!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 18 2022 1:45 utc | 195

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 18 2022 1:31 utc | 193

The Russiagate hysteria in the US orchestrated by the Clintonistas apparently intended to knee-cap the Trump Administration has conveniently served other purposes. Hard to imagine the convenience as unintentional.

Posted by: David | Jun 18 2022 2:00 utc | 196

US citizens xenophobia (an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers) includes Russians, but also many others -- native Americans, Afro-Americans, Chinese, Japanese, hispanics, southerners, . . .it goes on.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 18 2022 2:03 utc | 197

@ David | Jun 18 2022 2:00 utc | 195
Russiagate hysteria in the US orchestrated by the Clintonistas apparently intended to knee-cap the Trump Administration

Yes, Biden came on the scene a year-and-a-half ago with a mission to put some love on NATO, a rebound from Trump (and Macron). That mission easily seized upon Ukraine. It fit the bill, so Biden & Blinken played the "every country should have freedom of choice" (of NATO) which they must have known would drive Russia into a rage. And it did.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 18 2022 2:11 utc | 198

US moving toward escalation ! as usual in its bipolar view there are only two states:- escalation then defeat. First the US has to pass through the braggadocio of escalation, there is no other option in their world view.

Similarly Poland is on the same idiot course. It is all in the sausages according to John Helmer.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 18 2022 2:14 utc | 199

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 18 2022 1:31 utc | 193
"People reading garbage like this take it to heart it because they really want to."

It arises in our concern trolls as well. The underlying fear is that Russia might actually win this war and achieve all their objectives including getting rid of NATO. This scares them. It triggers cognitive dissonance which is the underlying mechanism of most attitudes like this. Cognitive dissonance itself is based on the basic human emotion of fear, which may be conscious or unconscious.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 18 2022 2:03 utc | 196

This sort of thing occurs in most nations. It's just more prominent in the US due to the US being a "melting-pot", so more opportunities to develop and express it. Most nations are more homogeneous, so the effect is lessened. Look how fast it built up in Europe once the Middle Eastern and Eastern Europe immigrants started arriving.

Humans are simply hard-wired not to trust those that don't perfectly resemble themselves in all aspects. It's the old concept of "The Other".

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 18 2022 2:18 utc | 200

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