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June 29, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-99

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict ...

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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@ Opport Knocks | Jun 30 2022 3:24 utc | 196

you make a good point.. i agree with you... the analogy could only be taken so far... maybe a more general comment on imperialism would have worked...

Posted by: james | Jun 30 2022 4:03 utc | 201

#michaelj72 #201

...In short, I have come to believe the US/NATO actually persuaded themselves that this “Mother of All Proxy Armies” they built in Ukraine seriously had an excellent chance to soundly whip the Russians in a battle situated on their borders.

They intended to steamroll the Donbass, re-take Crimea, then march on Moscow or whatever. The Russian people were supposed to rise up, aghast at the prospect of Stalingrad 2.0, and remove Putin, in a final capitulation to the West.

Apparently Putin has been playing the long game and knew this was coming since at least 2007, and he convinced the West that the Russian army was completely useless and so riddled with corruption and supply shortages that they couldn't fight even a small war. And the USA/NATO bought it, because that's exactly the state of their own armies.

Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jun 30 2022 4:09 utc | 202

karlof1 @ 146
Scorpion @ 144
Scorpion @ 149

Thank you for your responses.

I get it that the U.S. can't win a conventional war with Russia. It can't win a conventional war with Syria. The U.S. doesn't advertise its wars as winnable now. They're straight out premised as quagmires. Quagmires R Us. They're not supposed to be won. They're supposed to last for time and all eternity.

So that's what they're telling us already about the war in Ukraine, which morphs into CIA/mercenary/NATO/USA war in Europe: it's going to take years. Get used to it. Resolve yourself. Accept a future of endless war, endless expenditure, endless deaths, and endless failure. It's all good.

But the lightweights who love profiteering from endless war are not our only problem. The crazies in the basement, in the nuclear weapons industry, have decided to make nuclear weapons more usable, and they clearly want to demonstrate their usefulness. Otherwise, if Putin and Biden are right, and nuclear war cannot be won and should never be fought, we should get rid of nuclear weapons and join the worldwide movement to do just that.

What frightens me most is that they will cut us off from Russia's resources, blame Russia for depriving us of resources we need to survive, and then declare that we had no other choice but to use nuclear weapons because we can't beat Russia in a conventional war.

Seattle and Los Angeles might be goners. Or whatever. Or Pittsburg and New York. And so forth. And St. Louis. And all the rest. But whatever the incinerated outcome, nuclear weapons will have been shown to be useful, and that's what matters to these psychopaths, Team Nuke.

Posted by: Linda Wood | Jun 30 2022 4:30 utc | 203

Yeah, for sure. Always more under the table than over the table. What I am watching is the huge shift underway to appeal to conservative elements of the US, reversing abortion rights, reinstalling prayer in schools, why so much and why all of a sudden?
A distraction from the war?
A distraction from something else?

Posted by: HelenB | Jun 30 2022 3:54 utc | 200

Under tabke: agreed, but what's getting my goat of late is the consistent and surreal levels of seeming incompetence. It's extremely extreme and so suspicious.

I think the Scotus timing has more to do with the States waiting for Trump's last appointment and then launching the suits. It's a slow process.

Maybe the shift is election season getting underway?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 30 2022 4:31 utc | 204

Seattle and Los Angeles might be goners. Or whatever. Or Pittsburg and New York. And so forth. And St. Louis. And all the rest. But whatever the incinerated outcome, nuclear weapons will have been shown to be useful, and that's what matters to these psychopaths, Team Nuke.

Posted by: Linda Wood | Jun 30 2022 4:30 utc | 204

Yup, again well said. That's why I've invented my fanciful deal perhaps : a way to avoid contemplating the nuclear apocalypse.

Otherwise we must pray Russia has an answer, can block our missiles.

That said : when are we the people going to stop this madness....

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 30 2022 4:39 utc | 205

michaelj72 | Jun 30 2022 3:59 utc | 201
part of the "image factory" is not only manufacturing empty fireworks displays but also hiding the real consequences of war from a gullible, lazy public. no discussion will be allowed of the eco- and socio-cide committed against Iraq and Afghanistan, the horrifying effects on the soldiers, etc. hell, as we all know, we hide the military casualties from the public as much as possible.

produce a fake, suppress the real via distraction. it's a magic act.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 30 2022 4:40 utc | 206

Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jun 30 2022 3:51 utc | 199

That may be, but I see no reason why they shouldn't be involved. It's possible that they have been contracted under the terms of the "volunteers" that Russia allegedly has allowed to participate in the rear areas, or contracted by the Donbas militias, as was claimed during the 2014-2015 civil war.

Frankly, I suspect that claims that the Wagner Group is a "shadow arm" of the Russian military or intelligence services, just as the CIA has "private contractors", are probably true. So naturally Russia would disavow them. Such forces are useful. As for claims that they are "terrorists", I suspect those claims come from the opposing sides wherever they have appeared, which apparently are in Syria and an African country. They appear to invariably operate on the side of Russia in most cases.

Wikipedia has an entry on them, which might be instructive:
Wagner Group - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#Relations_with_the_Russian_military

Putin allegedly commented on them in 2018:

Putin says Russian military contractors can work in any country
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-military-contractors/putin-says-russian-military-contractors-can-work-in-any-country-idUSKCN1OJ1NS

In any event, I don't have a problem with the claims that they are operating in the current war nor do I have a problem with them doing so if they are.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 4:56 utc | 207

The UK is planning to cut the gas pipeline to the EU if the gas crisis intensifies, I bet that will be reassuring to the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/175ef927-efa2-439e-8ede-1dfc7edd23a6?sharetype=blocked

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 5:02 utc | 208

Thanks
@james | Jun 30 2022 0:27 utc | 159


leadership by bozos, verses leadership by an actual leader

You're not cynical.
That's our actual problem.
Peter's principles in West politics is working very well as we were exposed to in Bayern's G7.

During the latest G7 summit, the UK leader joked that his allies should take their clothes off for the photoshoot – to show that they are “tougher than Putin.”

“I don't know how they wanted to undress, waist-high or not, but I think it would be a disgusting sight either way,” the Russian president quipped. “Everything should be harmoniously developed in a person, both the body and the soul. However, in order for everything to be harmonious, one has to abandon excessive drinking and break other bad habits, start exercising, take up a sport.”


Was Rome not ending in depravity?

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 30 2022 5:35 utc | 209

RSH, I have a question for you. I saw somewhere in the past 6-8 hours some posting title saying 144 troops getting exchanged and now I can't find it. Are you see anything about prisoner exchanges? It is curious to me that we have heard nothing of the Azvostal prisoners that must/should IMO have some value to be known by the public that they were in there. Are there going to be prisoner exchanges that cover up the biolabs, for example?

I think there are things going on above my pay grade and keep seeing hints that raise lots of questions.

MSM headlines report lots going on in Ukraine so it will be interesting to read your reporting over the next few days.

Thanks!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:39 utc | 210

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:39 utc | 211

Sorry, haven't heard anything about prisoner exchanges. For the most part, they don't interest me, so I don't pay much attention when I do see some comment about them. Hopefully someone else has seen something.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 5:45 utc | 211

I am also going to throw my $0.02 out here about what might be a target for the next level of Russian escalation/response to aggression.

Floating tin cans have been sunk before and even covered up about, correct? Seems to me that one or more tin can could see Davy Jones locker and not take us to nuke land......but then maybe taking out orbiting tin cans w/o humans on board could have the same effect.

And any escalation is not necessarily about Ukraine. It is about taking out the bully behind NATO and Ukraine. I roll my eyes at the commenters that write about when the SMO is going to stop within the bounds of Ukraine when the goals stated include Poland. If empire has not capitulated by the time Russia has met it goals in Ukraine, I fully expect Russia to move against the NATO threats to them in Poland as they stated at the beginning of their SMO.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:52 utc | 212

Prisoner exchange

Posted by: Richard Head | Jun 30 2022 5:52 utc | 213

Perhaps the MSM in West are right and Putin is omnipresent? - https://t.me/Slavyangrad/2415

Posted by: eyeswideopen | Jun 30 2022 5:53 utc | 214

What I am watching is the huge shift underway to appeal to conservative elements of the US, reversing abortion rights, reinstalling prayer in schools, why so much and why all of a sudden?
A distraction from the war?
A distraction from something else?
Posted by: HelenB | Jun 30 2022 3:54 utc | 200

I know what you mean. Handmaid's Tale rolling out. And with full bipartisan support no less.
The Fascist Christian Right seems to have a deep hankering for power in the USA. Might they be making a move because Europe and the UK have all come out as Nazi supporters?

I don't think US led wars are for distraction since almost no one in the US notices them as a rule, this war has had unprecedented coverage and already people's attention is moving on. No they are for selling arms and stealing resources.

Sorry I have no answers either but I also think there are big moves being made with local censorship at an all time high as well (far as I can tell from overseas)

Posted by: K | Jun 30 2022 5:56 utc | 215

Answered my own question

from Xinhuanet


KIEV, June 29 (Xinhua) -- Ukraine and Russia carried out their largest prisoner exchange since the start of the conflict on Feb. 24, the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine's Defense Ministry said Wednesday in a statement on Telegram.

The agency said 144 Ukrainians aged 19 and 65 years returned home as a result of the exchange.

According to the statement, under the swap, Russia released 59 soldiers of the National Guard of Ukraine, including 43 from the Azov regiment which fought for Mariupol's Azovstal steel plant.

Most of the released Ukrainians have severe injuries, it said.

Ukraine and Russia conducted their first prisoner exchange on March 24.


Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:59 utc | 216

@Pacifica Advocate

Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 6:08 utc | 217

Doesn´t seem to work:

Try agan:

tf1info.fr

Top of page: Sections --> Ucraine

Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 6:09 utc | 218

@ psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:52 utc | 213

So you believe the RF plans to invade Poland? That is a very bold prediction if I might say so but fair enough, anyone who is prepared to make concrete predictions in support of their model of events deserves some respect. I am still sticking to my prediction that the RF will content itself with liberating those areas where they have substantial support. We will see who is right.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 6:20 utc | 219

Posted by: Hermit | Jun 30 2022 1:26 utc | 180

Many of the actions you have listed represent domestic conduct of the present US, Canadian, UK, and German governments.

(a) Killing members of the group;
- US government daily police conduct
- UK NHS policies

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- as regards mental harm the MSM in almost all western nations.
- Listening to Trudeau in CANADA

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- The German Heat Nazis - no heat for you this winter!!
- The US Gas Nazis - Walk the 120 mile daily round trip between your place of work and place of residence!!

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- TLGB++ measures almost everywhere.
- The Cut off Your Penis Because its Fun movement in many school districts

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
- Sending the impressionable adolescents of the 101 Airborne Division to 404

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 30 2022 6:38 utc | 220

Posted by: K | Jun 30 2022 5:56 utc | 216

I agree that Russia has to address Poland, but in my view that is what Ukraine is all about. Russia has now made a deal to put nukes in Belarus. In my opinion, this supports my notion that Russia intends to do the same in Ukraine - thus countering the Aegis Ashore installation in Poland and Romania. So I don't think Russia will attack Poland, just counter the strategic threat there.

But anything is possible.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 6:43 utc | 221

Belarus was gifted a significant portion of the port of Bronka, which is at St. Petersburg, which Lukashenko discussed with Putin during their meeting on the 25th.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 29 2022 21:41 utc | 119
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But, it's still nice to have own sea line, so all Belarus has to do is move over to Lithuania, which is a headache in that part of the world, with its Russo-hate.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 6:51 utc | 222

psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:39 utc | 211

Azov are in a high security prison compared to standard POW's. Along with Azov, border guards and marines where captured in Mariupol. Border guards and marines if cleared of war crimes would have normal POW status. There has been several small prisoner swaps before. This one (140 both sides?) relatively large in comparison.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 30 2022 7:04 utc | 223

@1Does ergoden still want Gullen?!
gis head on a golden platter!
would the cia langley give up gullen for anything other than replacomg ergoden on the turkish throne!? hell no!

Posted by: CryptoAlchemist Bern | Jun 30 2022 7:23 utc | 224

Re: conservative reckoning in MY country

Talked to a coworker tonight who keeps good tabs on the patriot forums and channels.

The next big SCOTUS ruling will be West Virginia v. EPA.

Basically, if the states win, it will call into question all federal agencies that use tax money to enact policy, thus superceding state legislatures.

IOW, no NWO-Green New Deal, and cheap energy would abound again.

But more than this, it calls into question the role of lots of federal agencies and once again could help restore more power to the states where the framers of this country sought to keep it.

Go full retard. Gut the EPA. Anything that hurts the fed is at this point not only good for America, but also the world.

If you Europeans don't understand it with your ideal around centralized gov'ts, who cares? My country is none of your fucking business anyway.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:24 utc | 225

HelenB | Jun 30 2022 3:54 utc | 200

"What I am watching is the huge shift underway to appeal to conservative elements of the US, reversing abortion rights, reinstalling prayer in schools, why so much and why all of a sudden?
A distraction from the war?"

As far as US domestic politics the imperial leadership certainly isn't trying to appeal to any "conservative element". On the contrary the Covidian anti-spiritual scouring is being used to push most aggressively the whole "woke"-transhumanist agenda, as radically antichristian as it's possible to get, whatever else one thinks of it.

Sure, the "supreme court", itself and its superannuated staff being residue of prior orders of the day, is doing its best to stay on with propaganda circuses like this.

Meanwhile every real measure is toward the real goal. Deep down the elites all know they can't actually win a conventional war with Russia, and most of them are too cowardly to roll the nuclear dice, but they do believe some combination of soft power, brinksmanship and proxy wars will bring them total victory in the end, the disarming and partition of Russia and China followed by total economic, cultural and spiritual enslavement.

The imperial elites are happy to immiserate their own populations toward this goal, not to mention the endless pretexts for domestic censorship and repression this goal affords once they open up World War III, so far mostly in the propaganda space, as the overwhelming social imperative unto which all must conform.

The fake "Covid" pandemic was the way they first mobilized this psychotic conformist mass (after several previous failed attempts at "pandemic" propaganda going back to the 80s), and now the propaganda machine moves this trained cultist mass toward its ultimate war goal.

But since man does not live by bread alone, and wingnuts, however abjectly conformist, do not live by distant hate alone, so the cabal uses the same old divide-and-conquer "political issues" for the same old purpose of keeping the average cult fanatic - obsessed with "Covid" and hating "Russia" - in a state of play while these elites cling to power amid a doomed and plummeting system.

So that's why all of a sudden they've ambulated the hoary old "Roe v Wade" zombie. (For what it's worth, here too there's a consensus among US elites: Abortion should be easily available for those who have money, while it's OK to constrain availability for those who lack money. This elite consensus is bipartisan and goes back decades.)

The purpose is domestic divide and conquer while the US imperial elites coordinate their flunkeys worldwide for WWIII amid increasing domestic hardship as the clock is running out on them.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 30 2022 7:29 utc | 226

The Baltic countries: Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Finland and Sweden. They have to share the smallish Baltic Sea, and for some of them, it is their only water outlet.
They MUST suck it up and get along. They should do it without outside interference.

Posted by: HelenB | Jun 30 2022 7:37 utc | 228

@228 uncle

Stoopid.

Paper-clip was a brain drain so the allies wouldn't let Braun and co. fall into Soviet Hands.

There was no ideological sublation of existing NSDAP members into a greater global "nazism."

But cute narrative.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:40 utc | 229

@ Seer | Jun 29 2022 18:06 utc | 53

Thanks for your feedback on this article.
The main issue there is that RF has not overwhelming 4th or 5th-gen air power.

In units, that would mean that the West has 3:1 planes in theory.

The other issue is that land forces of RF are not currently sufficient to capture the whole Ukraine.

However, nobody publicly knows the real number of the RF hi-tech equipment and planes.

I would just assume that everything reported about the real strength should be multiplied by 2 or even 3. Also, when RF says that they will deploy the latest nuclear delivery systems towards the end of the year, be assured that those are already deployed.
And that is probably related to everything else.

Ruse, 'maskirovka' and disinfo at work on all fields, as we speak.

Ability to flow, adopt and improvise around the original plans are one of the RF specialities.

I think, as probably everybody else is, that doubling-down by NATO posturing and aggressively preparing for a direct conflict is a fatal and a very expensive mistake with dire consequences.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 8:03 utc | 230

@ NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:24 utc | 226

"My country is none of your fucking business anyway."

If only that was true the world would be a much better place.

" Anything that hurts the fed is at this point not only good for America, but also the world."

Agreed.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 8:04 utc | 231

https://news.antiwar.com/2022/06/29/us-to-establish-permanent-base-in-poland-as-part-of-europe-military-expansion/

A blatant violation of the 1997 NATO-Russia Founding Act but we all knew that escalation was on the cards.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 8:12 utc | 232

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 6:20 utc | 220

RF uses of Belarus territory is proof of their readiness to expand the war if they have to against Poland and Baltic statelets.

Just capture of west and South is not enough. Wait another 5 or 8 the proxy would be ready for another war and this time NATO might would give them longer ranges weapons to strike into Russian territory. RF definitely need to Denazify all Ukraine, or alternatively have NATO recognizes their new borders and acquiesce Bandera ideology as extremist and their militants as terrorist to make it illegal for themselves to aid or support them openly.

Posted by: Lucci | Jun 30 2022 8:21 utc | 233

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 8:12 utc | 233

Also irrelevant, since the Aegis Ashore installations are the real issue. The article also notes that the US already has bases, but technically they are on a "rotational basis" - which means it's a real base, they're just faking the "permanence".

The rest of the moves Biden is taking described in that article are also irrelevant. Russia can counter all of them. As Mercouris notes in his video Wednesday, the "300,000 NATO troops" are already there - they're EU national army troops just being promoted to the Rapid Reaction force. Big frickin' deal...

Biden's going to continue posturing and PR'ing until his term is over, as well the EU and NATO leaders. Meanwhile, Russia will continue to achieve its aims.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 8:03 utc | 231
"In units, that would mean that the West has 3:1 planes in theory."

While in reality, those planes probably can't overwhelm Russian air defenses, or at least that will reduce the disparity considerably. Not to mention that planes that don't have functioning air fields or jet fuel depots - due to hypersonic missiles - aren't that useful.

"The other issue is that land forces of RF are not currently sufficient to capture the whole Ukraine."

People keep saying this without any real comprehension of what that means, either in actual numbers or in how it can happen. It's getting boring responding to these rote recitals. Either come up with an actual physical reason with numbers attached, or take that crap down the road.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 8:26 utc | 234

There are breaking reports of a renewed heavy attack on Snake Island.

https://t.me/milinfolive/85131

Rumors of a lost Pantsir S1.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2022 8:34 utc | 235

Biden has one leg in the grave, so he can talk anything, but why are the EU "leaders" listen to him? Even, if Abraham (or Satan) takes him, before his potus term, who'd really believe Kamala?

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 8:36 utc | 236

NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:40 utc | 230

"Paper-clip was a brain drain so the allies wouldn't let Braun and co. fall into Soviet Hands.

There was no ideological sublation of existing NSDAP members into a greater global "nazism."

But cute narrative."

The only reason these German operatives felt so much at home was their prior long association with the Western institutional structure, mostly but not only mediated through the Rockefeller Foundation (funder of Himmler's academic counterpart Otmar Vershauer among others, Vershauer being an inveterate propagandist among his academic and SS peers).

Of course there was always total ideological affinity. After all, any German technocrat who preferred communism knew how to head East.

So yes, Paperclip was about extracting and nurturing Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.

But cute narrative trying to whitewash the indelible nazism of your technocratic system.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 30 2022 8:38 utc | 237

Opport Knocks (Jun 30 2022 3:24 utc | 196 ) I completely agree, it is a piece of stale USSR propaganda which actually supports fascism, in this case Argentinian fascism. The obvious parallel example is to Spanish fascism which (with Franco long dead) keeps harping on about Gibraltar with real or feigned ignorance about what Gibraltar is and has been for hundreds of years and why no one but a small group of Spaniards actually truly wants Spain to have it or be anywhere close to getting it.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 30 2022 8:49 utc | 238

@238 flying dutchman

Once again, this narrative pettled here at the bar that Germany was destroyed in WW2 so that it could phoenix again when it was truly ready in the west!

What revisionist hogwash, and wishful thinking to boot.

It is not as simple as the Soviets and everyone else (i.e. "Nazis"), although you and many others wish it were.

It is almost as if you think that firebombing Dresden and arming the Soviets through lend-lease was just a cover so that..."no one would suspect the Nazi collusion"

Gimme a break! If the Allies were really on the Nazis side during WW2, they should have just steamrolled the Soviets with the Germans like Patton thought was a good idea.

But, unfortunately, there was the little influence called the Jews among the Allies that hated Hitler.

But go on believing what you want. It doesn't matter.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 8:50 utc | 239

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 29 2022 15:55 utc | 8

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
That's why I try to be myself........Joe Tzu"

Thanks Sushi, that must be one of Joe's best quotes.

Could he try that with a side serve of psycho cybernetics?

Posted by: Paul | Jun 30 2022 9:10 utc | 240

No idea why people are gasping over that Twitter thread from Will Schryver, who has no relevant qualifications or expertise in the matter - even less than Martynov.

From the Guardian just now:

"Russia confirms withdrawal from Snake Island, claims it is 'step of goodwill'

The Russian ministry of defence has confirmed in its daily operational briefing that it has withdrawn from Snake Island in the Black Sea, claiming it is a “step of goodwill” to facilitate grain shipments. It writes:

On 30 June, as a step of goodwill, the armed forces of the Russian Federation completed their assigned tasks on Zmiinyi Island and withdrew the garrison stationed there.

Thus, it has been demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not interfere with the efforts of the UN to organise a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine.

This decision will not allow Kyiv to speculate on the topic of the impending food crisis, referring to the impossibility of exporting grain due to Russia’s total control of the northwestern part of the Black Sea. Now the word is up to the Ukrainian side, which has not yet cleared the Black Sea coast near its shores, including the port waters.

The armed forces of the Russian Federation continue a special military operation in Ukraine."

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:10 utc | 241

US Armament Replenishment?

Does anyone know what the US plans are (and/or progress) for replenishing supplies of equipment and ammunition delivered to Ukraine? For example, US ostensibly delivered some 90 M177 howitzers and hundreds of thousands of rounds to Ukraine. Is there a line item in the 2023 Defense Budget to replace those systems and munitions?

Posted by: Hotdog 1948 | Jun 30 2022 9:23 utc | 242

I do not understand why they'd retreat from Snake Island. The official reasoning - which I do not believe - is much the same as when they previously withdrew from around Kiev. The island offered a good point to control the shipping and air-traffic in the area.

Was it becoming untenable to maintain? Are the Russians being pressured by Harpoon missiles and other Western weapons? Are there advanced negotiations going on which are not made official?

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 9:24 utc | 243

Quite obvious that the island is too small to defend from continuous long-range missile, drone, and artillery attack.

Western media is hyping this up as a huge victory and a dramatic example of how weapon supply to Ukraine will succeed in driving Russians out of Ukraine entirely.

Next stop Kherson, apparently.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:27 utc | 244

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:10 utc | 242
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Like I said, no one knows what Russia does, until its done. Now, the Ukraine would claim "victory." Ukraine lost a lot in trying to attack it, now it is given free, but only at the Iskandr distance.
But, once Odessa is taken, that island will come back.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:30 utc | 245

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:27 utc | 245
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Kherson, by the way is Russian territory, so will never be given back.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:32 utc | 246

too scents | Jun 30 2022 8:34 utc | 236

US had a win there.
https://t.me/mod_russia/17283
"the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation completed their assigned tasks on Zmeiny Island and withdrew the garrison stationed there."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 30 2022 9:35 utc | 247

Kherson will be taken back is the obvious implication.

Even before Snake Island, I noticed there is still an air of cockiness around Western leadership and propaganda, like they have "something in the works" for autumn.

Hope Stavka knows a lot more than we do.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:37 utc | 248

It would seem that in 4 months, Ukrainian propaganda should have done everything to turn against Russia even those who sympathized with it at the beginning of the special operation, but did it silently, without betraying their emotions. However, people from the territories still controlled by Kyiv continue to write to me, share their fears and even try to help. Dozens of people from Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, Avdiivka and Konstantinovka literally every day send the coordinates of Ukrainian units in their cities. And a photo of the consequences of strikes on them - so that the Russian artillery could adjust the fire. They know that if they are caught by the hand, then at best they will be convicted of treason. But in wartime conditions, they are unlikely to be taken to court.
Aleksandr Kots

Posted by: Ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:38 utc | 249

@MarkU | Jun 30 2022 5:02 utc | 209
The link is behind a paywall, but based on the headline it is bluster from someone who seems clueless on the subject. Which is typical in modern day 'journalism'.

Slightly simplified numbers to make it easier to understand.

The North Sea has several NG (natural gas) fields, most are in the UK (Scottish), Dutch and Norwegian regions. These NG fields are (almost) all interconnected with pipelines. These make landfall in the UK, Norway, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark. Norway hardly consumes any NG themselves, they produce it for export, almost all of which goes to the EU.

The NG produced by the Scottish fields has in previous years been roughly equivalent to the need of the UK at roughly 80bcm (billion cubic meter). This production has been decreasing, the Scottish fields are running on their last legs. The Dutch fields are mostly empty, the Norwegian fields are still producing, but also past their peak.

The fields that are still in production produce year-round, the pipelines are delivering year-round. The consumption of the UK is not stable, similar to the rest of Europe. The UK consumes roughly 20bcm (25%) in the six warmer months and roughly 60bcm (75%) in the six colder months.

Total consumption of the EU is over 400bcm of NG each year, total NG storage capacity in the EU is a bit over 100bcm. Roughly 100bcm of the NG delivered during the warm months to the EU is put in storage and is used during the colder months. The EU consumes 100bcm in 'summer' and 300bcm (of which 100bcm from storage) during 'winter'.

How much NG storage does the UK have?
The Guardian, 2011: "The UK’s stores hold enough gas to meet the demand of four to five winter days, or just 1% of Europe’s total available storage."

During 'winter', which for NG consumption starts around November 1 and ends late April, the UK is a net importer of NG. It imports about 20bcm of NG from Norway in this period. During 'summer' the UK is a net exporter of NG. It exports about 20bcm of NG to the EU.

Norway produces and exports about 120bcm of NG annually. During 'summer' Norway exports 60bcm to the EU. During 'winter' Norway exports 40bcm to the EU and 20bcm to the UK.

So what does the UK want to cut? The pipelines to Europe in summer? Then what are they going to do with the NG that is produced? They don't have any storage capacity.

During winter there is no export from the UK to the EU. Closing the pipeline at this time is an empty gesture.

Posted by: Loocust | Jun 30 2022 9:39 utc | 250

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:37 utc | 249
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The "west" has nothing "in the works." Odessa will be taken in time.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:39 utc | 251

An easy and concise card-deck detailing Russian counter-sanctions ==> https://www.alrud.com/upload/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB%D1%8B/2022_newsletters/%D0%A1ounter-sanctions_summary_ALRUD_18.04.2022.pdf

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2022 9:43 utc | 252

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 8:26 utc | 235

It says it all in this article. I just recapped briefly what is written there and what is an estimate. Seer did it much better and more eloquently.

Article claims:

"Russia did not initially have the strength to quickly complete the NMD and does not have it now. Nevertheless, the fighting is carried out with a clear superiority of the Russian army, which continues to gradually seize territories and inflict extremely heavy losses on the enemy, still avoiding mobilization."

So, conclusion would be that right now RF is not capable of taking all of Ukraine.
That is all I wanted to point out.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 9:51 utc | 253

The UK had gas storage in the Rough Field (off the Yorkshire coast). Closed in 2017 due to "technical issues" - commensurate with trying to maintain a collection 35yr old gas platform. It held 9 days of peak supply, which wad 70% of the UK's storage. Basically what should have been one if a number of crucial storage infrastructure facilities was never a consideration of any UK government for 40 years

If ever there is a guide of what NOT to do when you find oil and gas, then the UK should be the case study.

Posted by: Al Dossary | Jun 30 2022 9:56 utc | 254

The Dutch and British have a heavy colonial history. Lot of baggage to carry.

Posted by: alek_a | Jun 29 2022 20:35 utc | 96

but not of course Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Germany or USA.........they never had any colonies in your colouring book.

and King Leopold of Belgium treated his "subjects" in The Congo like a caring and loving saint...... and Hermann Goering's father treated the Herero with loving kindness !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 10:07 utc | 255

@Don Bacon 187

The USA is an oligarchy (See https://www.greanvillepost.com/2021/01/25/the-usa-is-an-oligarchy/). The only people represented by the US government are the oligarchs, and the oligarchs indubitably seek war, as they always have.

Posted by: Hermit | Jun 30 2022 10:09 utc | 256

can't the UN step in here, with amerika basically declaring war?

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jun 29 2022 19:54 utc | 82

It is about time you learned something about this planet. The UN is a meeting room nothing more. It has NO armies. Peacekeeping Missions are paid for by the Security Council Members - that is why basket case countries like Ukraine volunteer for UN Peacekeeping Missions to generate hard currency for Oligarch bank accounts.

Look at who staffs UN Missions and who pays for them - and then look at how many locals get raped by UN Peacekeepers or simply liquidated.

Longest-running UN Peacekeeping Mission is on India-Pakistan border Jammu-Kashmir since 1949

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 10:12 utc | 257

... Typical Guardian, deceit by misdirection.

Posted by: T Paine | Jun 29 2022 18:40 utc | 63

It’s trolling, they’re trolls.

They reek of bad faith and squirm under cross examination.

They are pathetic, s**tty creeps, yet their grifter self-whoring is actually a little concerning.

Just how far would they go?

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2022 10:12 utc | 258

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 9:51 utc | 254

Wassilij Kaschin has a PhD in political "science"! He recites the Ukranian minister of defense concerning the number of Russian troops.
Doesn´t sound really competent to me. He does not have a military background whatsoever.

Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 10:12 utc | 259

Peter Hitchens has provided a timeline of events leading to Ukraine breaking away from the USSR, but preventing Crimea from breaking away from Ukraine. Yeltsin was aware that existing borders were undoubtedly unfitted for use as international frontiers, but dropped the issue, possibly under pressure from the Americans. https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2021/04/i-thought-i-would-re-post-this-discussion-of-the-recent-history-of-crimea-more-than-five-years-after-i-first-wrote-it-i-ha.html

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Jun 30 2022 10:14 utc | 260

The West has something in the works? With a few million Ukrainian refugees and the country in shambles, what could the west possibly do more?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 30 2022 10:18 utc | 261

what could the west possibly do more?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 30 2022 10:18 utc | 262
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Stay out of Russian (and Asian, African, South American) affaires...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:29 utc | 262

Poland has done repeatedly to the point that they've been publicly dressed down by Blinken.

Posted by: Altai | Jun 29 2022 22:35 utc | 127

Cannot find a reference to Blinken dressing down Poland. Would appreciate a link.

Posted by: RB | Jun 30 2022 10:31 utc | 263

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (30.06.2022)


On June 30, as a step of goodwill, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation completed the fulfillment of their tasks on Zmeiny Island and withdrew the garrison stationed there.

Thus, it has been demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not hinder the efforts of the UN to organize a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine.

This decision will not allow Kiev to speculate on the impending food crisis, referring to the impossibility of exporting grain due to Russia's total control of the northwestern part of the Black Sea. Now it is up to the Ukrainian side, which has not yet cleared the Black Sea coast off its shores, including the port waters.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue a special military operation in Ukraine.

On June 28, a high-precision long-range sea-based weapon destroyed the control point of the operational-strategic group "Khortytsia" near the city of Dnepropetrovsk.

Over the past day, as a result of high-precision strikes by the Russian Aerospace Forces on the command post of the 123rd Territorial Defense Brigade, the location of foreign mercenaries in the city of Nikolaev, as well as the ammunition depot of the 79th airborne assault brigade in the settlement of Shevchenko, Mykolaiv region, more than 20 Ukrainian servicemen and more than 80 foreign militants were destroyed, six units of armored and automotive equipment, more than a thousand artillery shells, three hundred mortar mines and one hundred rounds for MANPADS.

In addition, two temporary locations of the 113th Territorial Defense Brigade, where up to 140 personnel were stationed, were destroyed in Kharkiv.

As a result of the fire damage to the AFU positions in the areas of the settlements of Berestove and Avdiivka of the Donetsk People's Republic, irretrievable losses in the units of the 14th Mechanized and 56th Motorized Infantry brigades amounted to more than 50 percent. These units are assigned to the rear to restore combat capability.

Due to high losses and unsatisfactory supply of the 34th battalion of the 57th Motorized Infantry Brigade, 13 servicemen, including officers, voluntarily left their positions during the day.

High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed five warehouses with ammunition and weapons in the districts of Kharkiv, Zelenodolsk, Dnipropetrovsk region, as well as Seversk and Bakhmut of the Donetsk People's Republic, manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 34 districts.

As part of the counter-battery struggle, two platoons of multiple launch rocket systems "Hurricane" and "Grad" in the areas of Svetlodarsk and Avdiivka, as well as two artillery platoons "Hyacinth-B" in the area of Avdiivka of the Donetsk People's Republic were hit by high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery hit: 39 control points, as well as manpower and military equipment in 218 districts.

Two Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force were shot down in the air by the operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the areas of the settlements of Shirokoye, Dnipropetrovsk region and Arkhangelsk, Kherson region, the Buk-M1 self-propelled fire installation was destroyed at a firing position near Odessa and the S-300 radar station near the settlement of Slavgorod, Dnipropetrovsk region.

Russian air defense means shot down a Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force near the settlement of Sofiyivka, Donetsk People's Republic, as well as nine Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Berestove, Petrovenki, Donetsk People's Republic, Zhovtnevo, Bayrak, Hetmanovka, Ivanchukovka, Peremoga, Kharkiv region.

In addition, five multiple rocket launchers were intercepted in the Stakhanov area of the Luhansk People's Republic and in the area of Zmeiny Island.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 224 aircraft, 134 helicopters, 1,400 unmanned aerial vehicles, 353 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,859 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 698 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 3,059 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 3,916 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

Posted by: noname | Jun 30 2022 10:33 utc | 264

“In Russian-speaking Odessa, children were completely deprived of the opportunity to study in Russian classes, I'm not talking about Russian schools ... Only private schools, for huge money, gave such an opportunity. Every May 9, our monuments were fenced with bars and we carried flowers, passing through metal detectors and turning out our pockets.

In Odessa, there are still a lot of people of different ages who consider themselves part of the vast and fair Russian World. And we are very scared that, God forbid, you stop and do not come to us. For 8 years, we have become accustomed to being silent, perhaps you will call it cowardice... I hope that release will allow us to get rid of our fears!”


Anyone born in the West can fathom this, ever? Other than money and profit?

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:35 utc | 265

donten @ 115

"Hahaha! Even that would be better that being subject to the Rentier Capitalist Oligarchy...As they know by now: they were hollowed out not long ago by such vampires."
People of the Baltics clearly don't know any such thing.
They are overwhelmingly opposed to Russia.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 30 2022 10:39 utc | 266

ostro @ 247
Well, there is a slight possibility it will be taken by force.
There is a war around there, remember?

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 30 2022 10:41 utc | 267

Latest news is Nazis have forced Russia to abandon Snake island.
Awesome!

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 30 2022 10:42 utc | 268

From IntelSlava

🇷🇺🇺🇦 So yes, Snake Island will be abandoned by Russian troops.
Ensuring the defense of an object that is within reach not only of missile systems, but also of cannon artillery, turned out to be very problematic and costly over a long distance.

Nevertheless, the main reason was the lack of reconnaissance and target designation equipment of the operational-tactical level in the arsenal of the fleet and the Aerospace Forces, which would allow effective targeting of aircraft and Caliber. Like, for example, the UAV MQ-9 Reaper.

Tactical UAVs can be launched from the territory of the island, but they do not provide round-the-clock reconnaissance of enemy targets to a sufficient depth, as a result of which it becomes very difficult to hit a maneuverable target.

It is necessary to return the island either when control over the Odessa region is established, or immediately before the signing of a truce. Otherwise, there will be only vain sacrifices.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 30 2022 10:43 utc | 269

NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 8:50 utc | 240

"If the Allies were really on the Nazis side during WW2, they should have just steamrolled the Soviets with the Germans like Patton thought was a good idea.

But, unfortunately, there was the little influence called the Jews among the Allies that hated Hitler.

But go on believing what you want. It doesn't matter."

"If the Allies were really on the Nazis side during WW2..."

I said no such thing, just that this is where sympathy always lay. Stalin always correctly surmised this.

"they should have just steamrolled the Soviets..."

Which was physically impossible, as the Russians would have kicked the shit out of them and rolled pretty effortlessly to the channel, and with a little effort to London, now that their entire war machine was at full power. If it had been possible to "steamroll the Soviets" then Patton's delusion would have been a real idea and far more broadly shared.

"there was the little influence called the Jews"

Back then this influence wasn't as large as you fantasize and at any rate was ambivalent toward the diaspora as opposed to Zionism. At any rate it wasn't enough to get the rail lines to Auschwitz on the bombing list.

"go on believing what you want. It doesn't matter."

If only that were true. I just hope the Russian political leadership truly does understand the scope of the denazification imperative.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 30 2022 10:47 utc | 270

Snake island does not need to be defended. Once a week send a missile and everything resets.
Snake island was attacked as part of the movie Bojo was filming during Moscow parade. Russia used it only as bait, to kill at least a hundred soldiers and destroy a lot of nazi weapons, ships, helicopters, airplanes and pilots.
It is a trap and will continue to be a trap for retards like Bojo

Posted by: rk | Jun 30 2022 10:49 utc | 271

Denmark is self-sufficient with gas through the gas field Tyra in the North Sea. Unfortunately, for Denmark the field is redeveloped. It should have been up and running in 2022. But due to Corona postponements this has been pushed to 2023.

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 10:49 utc | 272

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 30 2022 10:41 utc | 268
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Sure, Kiev will be taken too...in time...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:52 utc | 273

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 10:49 utc | 273
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Some of those North Sea gas fields might suddenly blow up...come winter...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:54 utc | 274

Since Zmeiny is now cleared and UA will ship grain from Odessa they have to clear the mines they laid or circumnavigate them.
I´m confident Russia will not oppose getting those mines out of the way or being indicated where they are.

Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 10:55 utc | 275

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 9:51 utc | 254

The article referenced is written by someone called Vasily Kashin, whose described credentials are: Candidate of Political Sciences, Director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies of the National Research University Higher School of Economics."

In other words, as Martynov constantly points out, someone with ZERO military knowledge. The claim in the piece that Ukraine has 700,000 men under arms, and can produce one million, is risible bullshit. This is probably where Ritter got his BS.

Don't waste my time with nonsense.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 10:58 utc | 276

@ 273
EU gas price keeps going up, about 1600 now. Why is it so if everyone has so big gas reserves? 1600 is astronomical for summer. At 1600 in summer, in winter is 3000-5000.

Posted by: rk | Jun 30 2022 11:00 utc | 277

As for Snake Island, as rk said, drop an Iskander on it every week or so to drain the Ukies of even more troops and equipment.

The island is meaningless. If it ever becomes used for anything the Russians don't like, they'll destroy it. I'm not sure why they even bothered to put equipment and forces there in the first place. Odessa and the forces there are the problem, not this tiny island.

All this tactical back and forth is completely meaningless, but everyone jumps on each minor incident. There are a lot of people here who are very eager to find some way Russia can't win this. They're delusional, concern trolls, morons or all three.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 11:03 utc | 278

@rk | Jun 30 2022 11:00 utc | 278

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Stick a fork in glass packaging ==> https://feve.org/feve-plants/

Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2022 11:04 utc | 279

Posted by: Linda Wood | Jun 30 2022 3:50 utc | 198

PMCs

All governments recruit their SpecOps soldiers as mercenaries - it keeps them off the open market and gives them a "pension plan" and it gives politicians a secret army off the books.

Rumour has it CIA has a 60,000 strong secret army.

"Sandline" was one of British governments former vehicles - go read up on Simon Mann, Old Etonian

Sandline

If Russia operates 'Wagner' as an arms-length contractor it is no surprise. There were more PMC personnel in Afghanistan than regular soldiers in the final years before the rout.

Governments are out of control. Men died in the past trying g to bring arbitrary government to account and install proper oversight - now people are too fat and lazy and are simply grazing until they are sent to the slaughterhouse.

Government now treats population as cattle - injects them, prods them, rounds them up, and disposes of them

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 11:29 utc | 280

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 10:58 utc | 277
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Oh, that Martyanov...where did he get his "military" knowledge? From Azerbaijan before 1919, or from being a "commodity" seller to the Empire of lies, or from from the Azeri black market in the beginning of the infamous 90s? From the border patrol uchilitsa run by the KGB?

Isn't it bit funny that no one knows of such a Martyanov is Russian Federation or even in the Ukraine, other than new blogger Polit Vera?

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 11:32 utc | 281

Posted by: HelenB | Jun 30 2022 3:54 utc | 200

I think you may be insane. Where on earth is there a CONSTITUTIONAL right to Abortion ?

There may be laws which regulate and permit abortion, but if it was essential to the US Constitution it would have had its own Article and not need Harry Blackmun, school friend of Warren Burger, and resident counsel at Mayo Clinic, to fabricate a supposed "constitutional" aspect in a very dodgy legal argument without credibility.

If you want a Constitutional Court don't let it make up "principles" that exist in no constitution - because it is not a "constitutional principle"

As for Prayer in schools - so what ? Best thing is to privatise ALL schools and then it is not a problem, or abolish Jewish schools........

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 11:35 utc | 282

I live in Cambodia. Here in the capital Phnom Penh there is a very large hospital called "Soviet Friendship Hospital". The largest market is called "Russian Market". An important street (from airport to the centre) is called "Russian Boulevard". There is also a Soviet Street. And so on. Like in many third world countries, the Soviet Union (and Russia, "Russia" and "Soviet Union" are used interchangeably) is remembered with a great deal of fondness. I wonder if Russia will able to capitalize from this.

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 11:43 utc | 283

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 11:32 utc | 282

Put up or shut up. Where is your evidence? It's easy to make accusations. Martyanov proves his knowledge via his books and his words. All you prove is a tendency to character assassination when you can't offer anything else.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 11:46 utc | 284

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 11:46 utc | 285
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When that guy lies...
Uchilitsa is a school, not an academy. 14 year olds are taken in, and when you leave the uchilitsa, you are about 18. From that uchilitsa, you leave as an ordinary sailor, that is, if you get a chance to join a ship, or even a border patrol boat. You are just nobody. In 1991, USSR collapsed, and Azerbaijan became a republic, but in very bad state. Chechnya is next door... The guy says suddenly he didn't have country...well, how about Mother Russia?

No, he was doing some commodity business with the US... And, then came to the US...from Azerbaijan...going past Chechnya...oh, boy!
He is no expert, except from books.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 11:56 utc | 285

https://sputniknews.com/20220630/mod-russian-military-withdraws-forces-from-zmeiny-island-as-gesture-of-good-will-1096826022.html

I think a deal was made. Is Lithuania gonna play nice now? And Russia looks good on the famine issue while EU look like fanatics. I think Putin gave up a pawn and captured a bishop.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 30 2022 11:56 utc | 286

As for Prayer in schools - so what ? Best thing is to privatise ALL schools and then it is not a problem, or abolish Jewish schools........

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 11:35 utc | 283

😂😂😂😂😂

Recipe for the Paul Grenwood Special:

-Put a communion wafer in a pint glass
-Fill up to 3/4 with neoliberal rhetoric
-Top up with judeophobic distillate
-Serve with a predictor. If it turns positive, forcibly feed it to the nearest woman and order another.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 30 2022 12:00 utc | 287

UK PM Boris Johnson pledges a whopping £1 billion pounds extra in aid and weapons for Ukraine, some folk in the UK are struggling to heat or eat in this cost of living crisis that's further compounded by idiotic sanctions applied to Russia that backfire on Europe.

Thank f*ck the Scottish government is organising a way out of this rancid union.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:06 utc | 288

Russian forces withdraw from Zmeiny island to help open the way for grain export, in return for this goodwill gesture, the Ukrainian side must clear the coast Black Sea, near its shores, including port waters.

The West cannot now falsely bitch about Russian forces blocking grain exports.


https://ria.ru/20220630/zmeinyy-1799211082.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:14 utc | 289

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:14 utc | 290
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The collective west is now nicely outplayed. But, only commercial ships will be allowed.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 12:19 utc | 290

Turkey backs down on opposition to Finland and Sweden's Nato membership, what concessions did Turkey get well these are a possibility.


—Stockholm and Helsinki declared Ankara's full support in the fight against threats to national security;

—refused to help the Kurdish YPG and the Democratic Union Party, as well as the Gülenists from FETÖ, while the Scandinavian countries promised to investigate cases of financing of Kurdish organizations;

—agreed on cooperation in the fight against terrorism and promised to carefully consider Ankara's requests for extradition;

—Finland and Sweden lifted the arms embargo on Turkey.


https://ria.ru/20220630/shvetsiya-1799114328.html


Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:19 utc | 291

Prisoner swaps are underway, and seriously injured Azov Battaion troops are also being swaped in prisoner exchanges as well.

"The exchange of 144 for 144 prisoners of war between Russia and Ukraine took place on June 29 on the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov told reporters on Thursday.

"Yesterday, on June 29, the exchange of 144 for 144 prisoners of war took place. It was organized and carried out on the direct order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces"


https://tass.com/politics/1473835


https://tass.com/politics/1473841

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:24 utc | 292

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:19 utc | 292

So only Vote proper are left? Can they still get barred on the voting session by in example Hungary? Or do they going into Voting session only after everyone officially agree?

Posted by: Lucci | Jun 30 2022 12:26 utc | 293

Seen the Liz Truss cartoon?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 30 2022 12:31 utc | 294

In response to Richard Steven Hack@279,

There was a lot of theorizing around the operational/tactical significance of Snake island back when it was first captured. I assumed that it would be used to provide radar and AA coverage to provide support for naval operations in the Western part of the Black Sea, on one hand, and keep Ukrainian naval forces in Odessa in check on the other.

Although Ukraine committed and lost a fair number of air assets in trying to recapture the island, it isn't clear how suitable or effective the location turned out to be, especially since Ukraine appears to have been able to successfully strike offshore platforms in the vicinity.

It's worth keeping in mind, however, that back when Snake island was first captured, it was the most optimal piece of terrain for controlling activity in the bay of Odessa. Today, or rather, a week or so ago, Russians have taken the Kinburn Spit, which is right adjacent to the bay, 60km across the water from Odessa itself. It's also a comparatively large territory, with land access, where it's presumably more feasible to deploy serious layered air-defense and radar complexes.

After all, for anything to reach Snake island, it would need to be shipped, which is a risk in itself and a logistical problem. Once there, the tiny and flat terrain called for systems capable of operating independently, in order to defend their own positions from air attacks from the moment they made landfall and, in the case that enemy attacks were successful or reinforcements were held up on the way, in the absence of supporting systems. Although the Tor systems which were used are suitable for these kind of mission parameters, the conditions themselves aren't eminently desirable for effective area denial operations, since the same system has to divert time and resources to defending both itself and strategic objectives, which potentially means having to let some targets through.

The analysis of the decision to abandon Snake island that I heard today prioritized a political interpretation, namely that Russia is interested in demonstrating, primarily to its African partners, that it cannot be held responsible for any food insecurity that may arise. According to the analyst, Russian actions are aimed at either getting Ukraine to de-mine its ports which, if it won't do itself, Turkey has agreed to do in their stead. If both of these options are dismissed by Ukraine, which is likely, then that will further undermine the Russian blockade narrative and subsequently there's a good chance that there will be international pressure for using the port in Mariupol to transport Ukrainian grain.

There's certainly logic in such an interpretation, but I think there are too many moving parts involved for any single explanation to be accurate to the exclusion of others. If anything, I think these and many other objectives besides are being pursued simultaneously but, what's most important, never at the expense of any crucial military objectives.

There were a lot of comments on the Russian segment of the internet this morning, to the tune that this withdrawal from Snake island was some sort of betrayal, that troops were being sacrificed in vain only to make some shameful deal at the political level, anger at the phrase "a sign of goodwill" and all the rest. It created the impression that Snake island was the end-goal with the war against NATO, that Ukraine would use the island to march on Moscow and that the island would forever become an unassailable fortress for Russian forces from now on. Perhaps the informational front is becoming more densely saturated apace with the weakening of the real front -- I recently saw a news anchor on Ukrainian television explicitly asking their colleague in the field to give their report in Russian to reach a wider audience, something that would have been a criminal taboo not too long ago.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 30 2022 12:37 utc | 295

We know the Kramatorsk train station incident was carried out by the Ukrainian forces, as was the Bucha one, both parroted by the Western media, so this latest incident should come as no surprise.


"The faked incident in Kremenchug was conceived by Kiev on the eve of international events to make the West provide more weapons, Russia’s OCSE envoy Alexander Lukashevich said on Thursday."


https://tass.com/politics/1473829

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:41 utc | 296

To me this sounds like a shrewd way of having the UK at least, recognise the DPR's sovereignty. However I'd wager that Boris Johnson will allow their convictions and executions to go ahead rather than recognise the DPR's sovereignty and save the men's lives. Of course Russia and the DPR might in the end not execute the men as it would allow the Western media to rail about their executions. In the West however the treatment of Russian prisoners by Ukrainian forces is neither here nor there.


Russia no longer complies with orders from the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) that has told Moscow to ensure the two British mercenaries do not face death penalty, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday.

"Russia no longer complies with ECHR orders, you know. <…> As to the fate of those [British] mercenaries, you should understand that this issue should be addressed to the government of the Donetsk People’s Republic," Peskov said, commenting on the two Britons captured in the DPR.

On June 9, a DPR court sentenced the two British men, Shaun Pinner and Aiden Aslin, together with a Moroccan, Brahim Saadoun, to death for fighting alongside the Ukrainian Armed Forces as mercenaries. The DPR’s Prosecutor General’s Office earlier said that testimony obtained from Pinner, Aslin and Saadoun proved their involvement in crimes such as forcible seizure of power and mercenary activities."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:49 utc | 297

NATO believes that Russia should stop the special operation in Ukraine and completely withdraw its troops from there.
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Stoltenberg

One can imagine how foolish are these Norwegian politicians, even the retired ones...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 12:51 utc | 298

Liar Blinken with his typical BS.

. . .But to your question, I’d also say a tremendous amount of work went into building, together, the capacity to support the Ukrainians, put pressure on the Russians, and reinforce our Alliance. That didn’t just happen. It was the result of a tremendous amount of engagement, including by the United States, over many, many months to do this work together. Now it has to be sustained; it has to be sustained in terms of the support for the Ukrainians. We heard from President Zelenskyy today. It has to be sustained in terms of continuing to keep the pressure on Russia, and President Biden was clear from the start that that would impose some costs on us, but the stakes required it. And it requires us to do what we’ve done today and will do tomorrow at NATO, which is to, in ways we haven’t seen in a generation, reinforce our own Alliance – a defensive Alliance, not an Alliance threatening anyone, not an Alliance designed to be against Russia, but to make sure that its members can adequately defend themselves. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 30 2022 12:55 utc | 299

Looks like we are heading for another long drawn out Cold War with Russia as Nato's numero uno enemy. It will be a time of spreading fear and hatred of all things Russian, restrictions on travel and constant reminder that Russia is always seeking to invade YOUR country and rape and kill your family.

All the meanwhile the Military Industrial Complex makes an absolute fortune from the lies deceit and far, whilst the MIC's compliant politicians receives their bribes and backhanders for keeping the fearmongering going. The sanctions against Russia more to come I presume will severely impact on the civilians of Europe as we've seen the price of everything is on the rise and will continue to do so as your countries government give your hard earned taxes to Ukraine to keep the war going, and services in your community that were once free or cheap will become expensive or disappear altogether.

Nato aggression will regress our living standards for years to come.

"NATO has officially declared Russia the “most significant and direct threat” to the security of its members, marking a radical strategic shift spurred by the Russian military offensive against Ukraine.

In a document that defines the alliance’s strategic outlook for the next decade, titled Strategic Concept 2022, NATO said Russia’s military offensive against Ukraine “has shattered peace and gravely altered our security environment.”

“The Russian Federation is the most significant and direct threat to Allies’ security and to peace and stability in the Euro-Atlantic area,” the 30-member NATO said in the text."


https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/06/30/684793/NATO-steeply-downgrades-Russia-from-strategic-partner-to-most-direct-threat

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:58 utc | 300

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