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June 29, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-99
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The current open thread for other issues is here.
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@ Opport Knocks | Jun 30 2022 3:24 utc | 196 Posted by: james | Jun 30 2022 4:03 utc | 201 #michaelj72 #201
They intended to steamroll the Donbass, re-take Crimea, then march on Moscow or whatever. The Russian people were supposed to rise up, aghast at the prospect of Stalingrad 2.0, and remove Putin, in a final capitulation to the West. Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jun 30 2022 4:09 utc | 202 karlof1 @ 146 Posted by: Linda Wood | Jun 30 2022 4:30 utc | 203 Yeah, for sure. Always more under the table than over the table. What I am watching is the huge shift underway to appeal to conservative elements of the US, reversing abortion rights, reinstalling prayer in schools, why so much and why all of a sudden? Seattle and Los Angeles might be goners. Or whatever. Or Pittsburg and New York. And so forth. And St. Louis. And all the rest. But whatever the incinerated outcome, nuclear weapons will have been shown to be useful, and that’s what matters to these psychopaths, Team Nuke. michaelj72 | Jun 30 2022 3:59 utc | 201 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 30 2022 4:40 utc | 206 Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jun 30 2022 3:51 utc | 199 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 4:56 utc | 207 The UK is planning to cut the gas pipeline to the EU if the gas crisis intensifies, I bet that will be reassuring to the EU. Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 5:02 utc | 208 Thanks
You’re not cynical.
Was Rome not ending in depravity? Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 30 2022 5:35 utc | 209 RSH, I have a question for you. I saw somewhere in the past 6-8 hours some posting title saying 144 troops getting exchanged and now I can’t find it. Are you see anything about prisoner exchanges? It is curious to me that we have heard nothing of the Azvostal prisoners that must/should IMO have some value to be known by the public that they were in there. Are there going to be prisoner exchanges that cover up the biolabs, for example? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:39 utc | 210 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:39 utc | 211 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 5:45 utc | 211 I am also going to throw my $0.02 out here about what might be a target for the next level of Russian escalation/response to aggression. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:52 utc | 212 Perhaps the MSM in West are right and Putin is omnipresent? – https://t.me/Slavyangrad/2415 Posted by: eyeswideopen | Jun 30 2022 5:53 utc | 214 What I am watching is the huge shift underway to appeal to conservative elements of the US, reversing abortion rights, reinstalling prayer in schools, why so much and why all of a sudden? Posted by: K | Jun 30 2022 5:56 utc | 215 Answered my own question
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:59 utc | 216 @Pacifica Advocate Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 6:08 utc | 217 Doesn´t seem to work: Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 6:09 utc | 218 @ psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:52 utc | 213 Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 6:20 utc | 219 Posted by: Hermit | Jun 30 2022 1:26 utc | 180 Posted by: Sushi | Jun 30 2022 6:38 utc | 220 Posted by: K | Jun 30 2022 5:56 utc | 216 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 6:43 utc | 221 Belarus was gifted a significant portion of the port of Bronka, which is at St. Petersburg, which Lukashenko discussed with Putin during their meeting on the 25th. Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 6:51 utc | 222 psychohistorian | Jun 30 2022 5:39 utc | 211 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 30 2022 7:04 utc | 223 @1Does ergoden still want Gullen?! Posted by: CryptoAlchemist Bern | Jun 30 2022 7:23 utc | 224 Re: conservative reckoning in MY country Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:24 utc | 225 HelenB | Jun 30 2022 3:54 utc | 200 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 30 2022 7:29 utc | 226 Birth of Fascist International – Germany Lost WWII Not The Nazis – Epic Battle: Russia vs The Nazis Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 30 2022 7:33 utc | 227 The Baltic countries: Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Finland and Sweden. They have to share the smallish Baltic Sea, and for some of them, it is their only water outlet. Posted by: HelenB | Jun 30 2022 7:37 utc | 228 @228 uncle Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:40 utc | 229 @ Seer | Jun 29 2022 18:06 utc | 53 Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 8:03 utc | 230 @ NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:24 utc | 226 Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 8:04 utc | 231 https://news.antiwar.com/2022/06/29/us-to-establish-permanent-base-in-poland-as-part-of-europe-military-expansion/ Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 8:12 utc | 232 Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 6:20 utc | 220 Posted by: Lucci | Jun 30 2022 8:21 utc | 233 Posted by: MarkU | Jun 30 2022 8:12 utc | 233 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 8:26 utc | 234 There are breaking reports of a renewed heavy attack on Snake Island. Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2022 8:34 utc | 235 Biden has one leg in the grave, so he can talk anything, but why are the EU “leaders” listen to him? Even, if Abraham (or Satan) takes him, before his potus term, who’d really believe Kamala? Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 8:36 utc | 236 NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 7:40 utc | 230 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 30 2022 8:38 utc | 237 Opport Knocks (Jun 30 2022 3:24 utc | 196 ) I completely agree, it is a piece of stale USSR propaganda which actually supports fascism, in this case Argentinian fascism. The obvious parallel example is to Spanish fascism which (with Franco long dead) keeps harping on about Gibraltar with real or feigned ignorance about what Gibraltar is and has been for hundreds of years and why no one but a small group of Spaniards actually truly wants Spain to have it or be anywhere close to getting it. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 30 2022 8:49 utc | 238 @238 flying dutchman Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 8:50 utc | 239 Posted by: Sushi | Jun 29 2022 15:55 utc | 8 Posted by: Paul | Jun 30 2022 9:10 utc | 240 No idea why people are gasping over that Twitter thread from Will Schryver, who has no relevant qualifications or expertise in the matter – even less than Martynov. Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:10 utc | 241 US Armament Replenishment? Posted by: Hotdog 1948 | Jun 30 2022 9:23 utc | 242 I do not understand why they’d retreat from Snake Island. The official reasoning – which I do not believe – is much the same as when they previously withdrew from around Kiev. The island offered a good point to control the shipping and air-traffic in the area. Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 9:24 utc | 243 Quite obvious that the island is too small to defend from continuous long-range missile, drone, and artillery attack. Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:27 utc | 244 Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:10 utc | 242 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:30 utc | 245 Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:27 utc | 245 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:32 utc | 246 too scents | Jun 30 2022 8:34 utc | 236 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 30 2022 9:35 utc | 247 Kherson will be taken back is the obvious implication. Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:37 utc | 248
Aleksandr Kots Posted by: Ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:38 utc | 249 @MarkU | Jun 30 2022 5:02 utc | 209 Posted by: Loocust | Jun 30 2022 9:39 utc | 250 Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 30 2022 9:37 utc | 249 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 9:39 utc | 251 An easy and concise card-deck detailing Russian counter-sanctions ==> https://www.alrud.com/upload/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB%D1%8B/2022_newsletters/%D0%A1ounter-sanctions_summary_ALRUD_18.04.2022.pdf Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2022 9:43 utc | 252 Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 8:26 utc | 235 Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 9:51 utc | 253 The UK had gas storage in the Rough Field (off the Yorkshire coast). Closed in 2017 due to “technical issues” – commensurate with trying to maintain a collection 35yr old gas platform. It held 9 days of peak supply, which wad 70% of the UK’s storage. Basically what should have been one if a number of crucial storage infrastructure facilities was never a consideration of any UK government for 40 years Posted by: Al Dossary | Jun 30 2022 9:56 utc | 254 The Dutch and British have a heavy colonial history. Lot of baggage to carry. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 10:07 utc | 255 @Don Bacon 187 Posted by: Hermit | Jun 30 2022 10:09 utc | 256 can’t the UN step in here, with amerika basically declaring war? Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 10:12 utc | 257 … Typical Guardian, deceit by misdirection. Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 30 2022 10:12 utc | 258 Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 9:51 utc | 254 Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 10:12 utc | 259 Peter Hitchens has provided a timeline of events leading to Ukraine breaking away from the USSR, but preventing Crimea from breaking away from Ukraine. Yeltsin was aware that existing borders were undoubtedly unfitted for use as international frontiers, but dropped the issue, possibly under pressure from the Americans. https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2021/04/i-thought-i-would-re-post-this-discussion-of-the-recent-history-of-crimea-more-than-five-years-after-i-first-wrote-it-i-ha.html Posted by: Shakesvshav | Jun 30 2022 10:14 utc | 260 The West has something in the works? With a few million Ukrainian refugees and the country in shambles, what could the west possibly do more? Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 30 2022 10:18 utc | 261 what could the west possibly do more? Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:29 utc | 262 Poland has done repeatedly to the point that they’ve been publicly dressed down by Blinken. Posted by: RB | Jun 30 2022 10:31 utc | 263 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (30.06.2022) Posted by: noname | Jun 30 2022 10:33 utc | 264
Anyone born in the West can fathom this, ever? Other than money and profit? Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:35 utc | 265 donten @ 115 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 30 2022 10:39 utc | 266 ostro @ 247 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 30 2022 10:41 utc | 267 Latest news is Nazis have forced Russia to abandon Snake island. Posted by: Surferket | Jun 30 2022 10:42 utc | 268 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | Jun 30 2022 10:43 utc | 269 NemesisCalling | Jun 30 2022 8:50 utc | 240 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 30 2022 10:47 utc | 270 Snake island does not need to be defended. Once a week send a missile and everything resets. Posted by: rk | Jun 30 2022 10:49 utc | 271 Denmark is self-sufficient with gas through the gas field Tyra in the North Sea. Unfortunately, for Denmark the field is redeveloped. It should have been up and running in 2022. But due to Corona postponements this has been pushed to 2023. Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 10:49 utc | 272 Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 30 2022 10:41 utc | 268 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:52 utc | 273 Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 10:49 utc | 273 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 10:54 utc | 274 Since Zmeiny is now cleared and UA will ship grain from Odessa they have to clear the mines they laid or circumnavigate them. Posted by: Goingo | Jun 30 2022 10:55 utc | 275 Posted by: whirlX | Jun 30 2022 9:51 utc | 254 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 10:58 utc | 276 @ 273 Posted by: rk | Jun 30 2022 11:00 utc | 277 As for Snake Island, as rk said, drop an Iskander on it every week or so to drain the Ukies of even more troops and equipment. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 11:03 utc | 278 @rk | Jun 30 2022 11:00 utc | 278 Posted by: too scents | Jun 30 2022 11:04 utc | 279 Posted by: Linda Wood | Jun 30 2022 3:50 utc | 198 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 11:29 utc | 280 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 10:58 utc | 277 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 11:32 utc | 281 Posted by: HelenB | Jun 30 2022 3:54 utc | 200 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 30 2022 11:35 utc | 282 I live in Cambodia. Here in the capital Phnom Penh there is a very large hospital called “Soviet Friendship Hospital”. The largest market is called “Russian Market”. An important street (from airport to the centre) is called “Russian Boulevard”. There is also a Soviet Street. And so on. Like in many third world countries, the Soviet Union (and Russia, “Russia” and “Soviet Union” are used interchangeably) is remembered with a great deal of fondness. I wonder if Russia will able to capitalize from this. Posted by: Rune Denmark | Jun 30 2022 11:43 utc | 283 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 11:32 utc | 282 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 11:46 utc | 284 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 30 2022 11:46 utc | 285 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 11:56 utc | 285 https://sputniknews.com/20220630/mod-russian-military-withdraws-forces-from-zmeiny-island-as-gesture-of-good-will-1096826022.html Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 30 2022 11:56 utc | 286 As for Prayer in schools – so what ? Best thing is to privatise ALL schools and then it is not a problem, or abolish Jewish schools…….. Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 30 2022 12:00 utc | 287 UK PM Boris Johnson pledges a whopping £1 billion pounds extra in aid and weapons for Ukraine, some folk in the UK are struggling to heat or eat in this cost of living crisis that’s further compounded by idiotic sanctions applied to Russia that backfire on Europe. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:06 utc | 288 Russian forces withdraw from Zmeiny island to help open the way for grain export, in return for this goodwill gesture, the Ukrainian side must clear the coast Black Sea, near its shores, including port waters. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:14 utc | 289 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:14 utc | 290 Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 12:19 utc | 290 Turkey backs down on opposition to Finland and Sweden’s Nato membership, what concessions did Turkey get well these are a possibility. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:19 utc | 291 Prisoner swaps are underway, and seriously injured Azov Battaion troops are also being swaped in prisoner exchanges as well. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:24 utc | 292 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:19 utc | 292 Posted by: Lucci | Jun 30 2022 12:26 utc | 293 In response to Richard Steven Hack@279, Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 30 2022 12:37 utc | 295 We know the Kramatorsk train station incident was carried out by the Ukrainian forces, as was the Bucha one, both parroted by the Western media, so this latest incident should come as no surprise. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:41 utc | 296 To me this sounds like a shrewd way of having the UK at least, recognise the DPR’s sovereignty. However I’d wager that Boris Johnson will allow their convictions and executions to go ahead rather than recognise the DPR’s sovereignty and save the men’s lives. Of course Russia and the DPR might in the end not execute the men as it would allow the Western media to rail about their executions. In the West however the treatment of Russian prisoners by Ukrainian forces is neither here nor there. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:49 utc | 297
– Posted by: ostro | Jun 30 2022 12:51 utc | 298 Liar Blinken with his typical BS.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 30 2022 12:55 utc | 299 Looks like we are heading for another long drawn out Cold War with Russia as Nato’s numero uno enemy. It will be a time of spreading fear and hatred of all things Russian, restrictions on travel and constant reminder that Russia is always seeking to invade YOUR country and rape and kill your family. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 30 2022 12:58 utc | 300 |
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