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June 25, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-95
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The current open thread for other issues is here.
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Russia must discontinue UN sanctions on North Korea and start trading with it. DPRK has the man power and resources to become an economically prosperous nation. Posted by: Jason | Jun 26 2022 2:31 utc | 102 Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 26 2022 1:45 utc | 97 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 26 2022 2:34 utc | 103 @ 2 Buddy the Cat Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 26 2022 2:43 utc | 104 @ Melaleuca | Jun 26 2022 2:34 utc | 103 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 26 2022 2:51 utc | 105 Caveman | Jun 26 2022 2:25 utc | 101 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 26 2022 2:56 utc | 106 @melaleuca 106 Borrell’s doing diplomacy, perhaps he could teach Blinken who can only mimic Hillary. Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 26 2022 3:21 utc | 108 @Don Bacon, 108 @ Don Bacon | Jun 26 2022 2:51 utc | 105 Posted by: james | Jun 26 2022 3:33 utc | 110 The Sirius Report. @thesiriusreport Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 26 2022 3:43 utc | 111 @Melaleuca, 111 PCR tooting his horn – hasn’t had much of interest to say for quite some time as I see it. “If Russia doesn’t… blah, blah, blah…” Billb @100 Posted by: polarbear4 | Jun 26 2022 4:16 utc | 114 Lysias [28] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 26 2022 4:25 utc | 115 ” ‘Authoritarian powers try to push back against the rules-based international order:'” Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 26 2022 4:28 utc | 116 @ Caveman | Jun 26 2022 3:57 utc | 112 Posted by: MarkU | Jun 26 2022 4:29 utc | 117 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 26 2022 3:21 utc | 108 Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 26 2022 4:48 utc | 118 polarbear4 | Jun 26 2022 4:16 utc | 114 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 26 2022 4:48 utc | 119 @ Scorpion | Jun 26 2022 4:08 utc | 113 Re: Posted by: MarkU | Jun 26 2022 4:49 utc | 120 @MarkU, 117 “Its funny how you never knew what my name was Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 26 2022 4:52 utc | 122 @ Aslangeo | 25 Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 26 2022 5:01 utc | 123 “Why is the Commonwealth meeting being held in Rwanda, which as far as I know was never under British rule or a member of the Commonwealth?” Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 26 2022 5:06 utc | 124 Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 26 2022 4:52 utc | 122 Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 26 2022 5:26 utc | 125 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 26 2022 4:48 utc | 119 Posted by: Lucci | Jun 26 2022 5:42 utc | 126 Sunday afternoon and I’m going to indulge in a little musing… creative writing…. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 26 2022 5:49 utc | 127 Seems to have been some missile strikes in downtown Kiev this morning – could they be related to Putin’s purported late-night Kremlin visit? Posted by: Homer | Jun 26 2022 5:58 utc | 128 @99 During WWII the germans shipped submarines {in pieces) down the Danube. Posted by: Don S | Jun 26 2022 5:59 utc | 129 Onufrienko further concludes from other observations, that UA withdrawals from Severonetsk and the east bank were done under some sort of agreement between the two sides, to allow UA forces out. Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2022 6:11 utc | 130 There has been a lot of talk here recently about NATO escalating and directly entering the fight. It seems to me that this is unlikely, especially from a USA perspective, because of geography. Posted by: Occasional poster | Jun 26 2022 6:23 utc | 131 @127 Posted by: rk | Jun 26 2022 6:47 utc | 132 One of the targets in Kiev was Artyom defense plant. Nazis are presenting it as a civilian target :)) Posted by: rk | Jun 26 2022 6:59 utc | 133 The hypocrisy of free-market globalists.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-25/g-7-negotiators-put-russia-oil-price-cap-on-agenda-for-leaders?srnd=premium-europe Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2022 7:10 utc | 134 #134 Posted by: rk | Jun 26 2022 7:25 utc | 135 There had been few winged missiles landing in Kiev, but the MSM doesn’t appear to write about that, even in the most Russo-hate countries. In some MSM, Ukraine had moved to the 3rd-4th news, and not exactly fresh. Posted by: ostro | Jun 26 2022 7:25 utc | 136 Posted by: daffyDuct | Jun 25 2022 20:57 utc | 56
I’m always surprised this topic doesn’t get more coverage in this bar. More disappointing, it is mostly absent from any interviews or speeches by Russian officials. And yet, it’s such a low hanging fruit. In my opinion, this shows that Russia has a lot of catching up to do on the counter narrative effort. Posted by: robin | Jun 26 2022 7:37 utc | 137 True, they only talk about some late Putin visit to Kremlin, as the trolls above have already posted. And not that Shoigu was in Ukr Posted by: rk | Jun 26 2022 7:38 utc | 138 From IntelSlava
Cold War 2.0 is just getting warmed up. Posted by: Down South | Jun 26 2022 7:39 utc | 139 At this stage it’s just a question of where the borders for Iron Curtain 2.0 will be. Posted by: Down South | Jun 26 2022 7:41 utc | 140 World war is becoming more likely with each passing week not less likely. Posted by: Passerby | Jun 26 2022 7:42 utc | 141 Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2022 7:10 utc | 134 Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 26 2022 7:43 utc | 142 rt.de has published an opinion piece highly critical of the Russian strategy and talking about an imminent Ukrainian counter-offensive. Posted by: mk | Jun 26 2022 7:54 utc | 143 A fable about the scorpion and frog which I believe is of Russian origin. The scorpion, which cannot swim, wanted to cross the river. So the scorpion begged the frog to carry him across. The frog refused to say the scorpion may sting while he was ferrying him across. The scorpion replies that he won’t do that because the frog would then die resulting in the drowning of the scorpion too. Therefore it was not in the best interests of the scorpion to sting the frog while going across the river. Posted by: ostro | Jun 26 2022 7:55 utc | 144 “No rubles, no price, no oil.”
https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/russia-chokes-gas-flow-germans-fear-lehman-moment/ Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2022 7:59 utc | 145 Kharkov Sunday morning, from a person, who don’t want to leave the city and become a refugee. Her daughter also doesn’t want to go to England to her relatives, even for few months. https://youtu.be/wZfQ4eqjFwI Posted by: ostro | Jun 26 2022 8:36 utc | 146 @mk | Jun 26 2022 7:54 utc | 143 Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 26 2022 8:37 utc | 147 Those talking about Ukr counteroffensive are smoking something too much. They are running, not retreating. Posted by: rk | Jun 26 2022 8:58 utc | 148 Thank you, aquadraht. So if this is just a crap piece (tend to believe that, but I’m no military expert at all) why does RT.de allows it to be prominently published? Is it to maintain the appearance of a neutral reporting, or something like showing strength by understatement, or to dampen premature optimism among Russia-friendly minds (kind of intentionally devaluing the ruble because it has gotten too strong)? Posted by: mk | Jun 26 2022 9:02 utc | 149 @149 Posted by: rk | Jun 26 2022 9:36 utc | 150 Further to the ‘how to get the 18 US patrol boats to Ukraine’ comments. One definite way and one possible. Posted by: JohninMK | Jun 26 2022 10:10 utc | 151 @ Lysias “Why is the Commonwealth meeting being held in Rwanda, which as far as I know was never under British rule or a member of the Commonwealth?” Posted by: Δημήτρης Α | Jun 26 2022 10:41 utc | 152
The politico-military junta which today wreaks havoc in Rwanda is largely made up of English-speaking Tutsis from Uganda, unlike the Tutsis in the interior who, when they are bilingual, are French-speaking. This partly explains Rwanda’s ties to the Commonwealth, although Rwanda was a German and then a Belgian colony.
The U.S. and the U.K. have turned a blind eye to the genocide of Hutus by the RPF, as well as its participation in the massacres of Tutsis from within, and it is incredibly obscene to see a Commonwealth meeting taking place in Kigali at a time when Rwanda is relaunching the war in Congolese Kivu. Posted by: Leuk | Jun 26 2022 11:12 utc | 153 ‘Not a Justification but a Provocation’: Chomsky on the Root Causes of the Russia-Ukraine War Posted by: smooth | Jun 26 2022 12:05 utc | 155 John Kennard @125 Posted by: Chas | Jun 26 2022 12:40 utc | 156 The Black Sea is set for the planet’s next big economic boom and Russia is its new master. Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2022 6:11 utc | 130
In another thread, a poster noted that the Russian military has mandatory retirement at age 60, a fact omitted by western press in order to portray the recent departure of several generals as due to poor performance. (I seem to recall that said retirees include Dvornikov, though I’m not positive.) Posted by: David Levin | Jun 26 2022 14:54 utc | 158 @David Levin | Jun 26 2022 14:54 utc | 158
General Dvornikov was given command of Phase 2 of the Special Military Operation. If a new commander is being put in place, is this preparation for Phase 3? Posted by: cirsium | Jun 26 2022 15:58 utc | 159 David Levin | Jun 26 2022 14:54 utc | 158 Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Jun 26 2022 16:28 utc | 160 If a new commander is being put in place, is this preparation for Phase 3? |
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