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June 25, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-95
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Someone needs to ask Boris Johnson what he believes a long term economic disaster to be.
“Too many countries are saying this is a European war that is unnecessary … and so the pressure will grow to encourage – coerce, maybe – the Ukrainians to a bad peace,” he told broadcasters in the Rwandan capital Kigali, where he is attending a Commonwealth summit.
Johnson said the consequences of Russian President Vladimir Putin being able to get his way in Ukraine would be dangerous to international security and “a long-term economic disaster”.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2022 17:04 utc | 1
Are Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea at ‘severe’ risk of being lost in this conflict? Trying to understand both what the capabilities are for the Ukrainians to launch multi missile strikes, as well as the capability of Russian onboard defences against attacks using multiple advanced missiles.
Posted by: Buddy the Cat | Jun 25 2022 17:06 utc | 2
Russians capturing so many Ukrainians in Luhansk Donetsk.
A bunch of Ukrainians are put in a van, and one has his butt up in the air while stuffed into the van! Listen closely and you can hear the duct tape being put on them in the van.
VIDEO https://youtu.be/p9dowbErkd0
Posted by: Dean Oneil | Jun 25 2022 17:12 utc | 3
In a nutshell Buddy – No
The black sea is pretty big and ships moving in the eastern part would be very hard to hit with shore based systems. The Moskva was stupidly anchored 20km off the coast of Romania and was a sitting duck for some kind of attack.
The Ukrainians now have systems able to hit ships in the near western part but need satellite or radar guidance to attack. With US help those ships would be in danger. At this stage there is no evidence that Russian systems can stop sea skimming missiles like harpoon.
Posted by: Merandor | Jun 25 2022 17:13 utc | 4
Kiev desperately trying to blame Belarus for attacking them without providing any evidence. As Ukraine loses, their desperation and porkie pies become more outrageous.
Posted by: Kaiama | Jun 25 2022 17:16 utc | 5
AZOT enterprise in Severodonetsk came under the full control of the military of the LNR and Russia.
Posted by: rk | Jun 25 2022 17:19 utc | 6
@Buddy the Cat | Jun 25 2022 17:06 utc | 2
“Are Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea at ‘severe’ risk of being lost in this conflict? Trying to understand both what the capabilities are for the Ukrainians to launch multi missile strikes, as well as the capability of Russian onboard defences against attacks using multiple advanced missiles.”
Naval vessels are vulnerable to missile attack. They do have defenses, but so far no one has a practical idea of how effective they would be against what Ukraine is able to currently deploy. “It depends” is probably the best current speculative answer. The Russians will not want to risk their naval assets unnecessarily and likely wish to destroy Ukraine’s coastal defenses rather than undergo a live fire test. No definitive story has emerged yet about the sinking of the Moskava, so we don’t know how this figures into your question.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2022 17:21 utc | 8
Now everything is official. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirmed the complete liberation of Severodonetsk.
Borovskoye, Sirotino and Voronovo have also been completely liberated. Rozhin Boris Aleksandrovich
Posted by: Maracatu | Jun 25 2022 17:22 utc | 9
MOSCOW (AFP) – Russia will deliver missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads to Belarus in the coming months, President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday (June 25) as he received Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko.
“In the coming months, we will transfer to Belarus Iskander-M tactical missile systems, which can use ballistic or cruise missiles, in their conventional and nuclear versions,” Putin said in a broadcast on Russian television at the start of his meeting with Lukashenko in Saint Petersburg.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2022 17:27 utc | 10
I guess that’s one of the results of Lithuania vs Kaliningrad. Hopefully EU/EC sets aside their instructions to escalate no matter what, and takes a step back. As earlier suggested by draft document that was (unhappily) reported by the LIT MEP. Because this all could get more serious, and likely result in further collapse of energy/materials trade, while doing nothing to help anyone.
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 17:53 utc | 11
Intel Slava Z, [25/06/2022 18:42]
🇷🇺🇺🇦❗️ #Breaking
Severodonetsk has been liberated. The entire city is now under Russian control.
https://t.me/intelslava/31910
@ Buddy the Cat
Like clockwork now, the first or second comment on a new thread is a concern troll or NATO shill. b, you know you’re doing everything right when you’ve got the Langley troll farm on the edge of its seat furiously hitting refresh.
Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 18:09 utc | 13
Former Canadian Military Chief to Head Ukraine Advisory Council
https://nationalpost.com/news/former-canadian-military-chief-to-head-ukraine-defence-advisory-council
“On Friday, the Ukrainian World Congress [headed by Canadian Paul Grod] – a non-profit consortium of organizations affiliated to the world’s Ukrainian diaspora – announced that retired CAF General and former Chief of Defence Staff, Rick Hillier, will head the new group, alongside other former world military commanders, offering support and advocacy for the country’s 100,000-strong homeland defence militia…”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 25 2022 18:11 utc | 14
Intel Slava Z, [25/06/2022 18:43]
🇷🇺🇺🇦❗️From the information received from a source in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, it became known that today in Nikolaev, as a result of strikes on the territory of the Chaika sanatorium, the accommodation of foreign mercenaries from Europe and the USA was destroyed (Coordinates: 46.929098, 32.026292). In total, more than 100 mercenaries were destroyed
https://t.me/intelslava/31912
After the excellent news about liberating Severodonetsk and the entire east bank of the river there, today’s usual updates are conspicuously devoid of details in the now active areas on the edge of Lisichansk. Esp. the tactically valuable elevation around verhnokamenka / oil refinery, plus whatever (if anything) is on the North side, where the Donets river forms the line. Such apparently well organized silence seems to have been the pattern in the past, during some tough and uncertain battles.
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 18:23 utc | 16
Bloomberg reports Ukraine’s central bank is facing a crisis of confidence.
Ukraine’s war-battered budget is coming under more strain as the central bank increasingly raises the alarm about the limits of its ability to provide cash through sovereign debt buying.
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The economic fallout has brought budget funding for everything from pensions to military operations to breaking point.
The country’s government and the National Bank of Ukraine are locked in a row over how much more cash the central bank can print without stoking inflation or a collapse in foreign reserves, although some progress has been made in talks this week, according to people familiar with the discussions, who asked not to be identified because the negotiations aren’t public.
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“There’s not very much Ukraine can do right now,” Timothy Ash, a senior emerging-market sovereign strategist at BlueBay Asset Management, said in an interview. “It has to pay the military, otherwise it dies. Their options are to print money, run down foreign reserves and hope that eventually the money from the West does come.”
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2022 18:23 utc | 17
Intel Slava Z, [25/06/2022 18:56]
🇷🇺🇺🇦❗️The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine officially recognized the loss of Severodonetsk, Voronovo, Borovskoye and Sirotino by Ukraine. Thus – June 25 – Day of the 2nd liberation of Severodonetsk from the Nazis.
https://t.me/intelslava/31919
@10
“MOSCOW (AFP) – Russia will deliver missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads to Belarus in the coming months, President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday (June 25) as he received Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko.”
Good. Still waiting for that demonstration nuclear test with live telecast in the far north, though. Poland right now needs a reminder that Warsaw can be glassed.
Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 18:26 utc | 19
Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 18:09 utc | 13
Like clockwork now, the first or second comment on a new thread is a concern troll or NATO shill. b, you know you’re doing everything right when you’ve got the Langley troll farm on the edge of its seat furiously hitting refresh.
Concern troll? I thought it to be a well thought out question I have wondered about since hearing about Ukraine securing advanced anti ship missiles – I didn’t say was worried it would happen, I was inquiring as to capability.
Really don’t know who you are, you count yourself amongst those who are doing ‘everything right’; I don’t even know what that means. I thought this was an objective sight without the boyish nonsense found on other sites? So are their rule here that legitimate well thought out questions should not be asked in the first posts unless they have a specific political objective? Everyone here is new at some point, Help me out on the rules here, or is this a closed group?
Posted by: Buddy the Cat | Jun 25 2022 18:27 utc | 20
@16 myself
just in time after I write that, an update … https://t.me/rybar/34394
So east bank not 100% yet. Looks like they’re assaulting the city directly rather than relying on wide encirclement.
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 18:31 utc | 21
@14 “retired CAF General and former Chief of Defence Staff, Rick Hillier, will head the new group, alongside other former world military commanders, offering support and advocacy for the country’s 100,000-strong homeland defence militia…”
They can share the fate of the SS-Galizia brigade. Hope the Ukrainian “diaspora” is clearing space in Canada for future monuments to this “new group.”
Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 18:31 utc | 22
In the 1990s, George Soros’ Open Society Foundations provided internet access in the former Communist states.
Today, Elon Musk’s Starlink provides free internet in Ukraine.
And here I was thinking billionaires specialize in getting money, not in giving it away.
Funny that when eccentric US billionaires give away money it happens to coincide with US government interests.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 25 2022 18:32 utc | 23
Good news about severodonetsk, or Several doughnuts as the defence politics Asia YouTube channel calls it
I have a lot of sympathy for Wyatt, the Singaporean bloke who does a good job presenting the facts evenly, but who really struggles to pronounce eastern Slavic place names
Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 25 2022 18:38 utc | 25
Not only Iskander-M. Putin said US has 200 nukes in Europe and 257 airplanes for them so Russia will adapt Belarus’ Su-25 to carry nukes and begin training.
Posted by: rk | Jun 25 2022 18:42 utc | 26
@1 “‘Too many countries are saying this is a European war that is unnecessary … and so the pressure will grow to encourage – coerce, maybe – the Ukrainians to a bad peace,’ he told broadcasters in the Rwandan capital Kigali, where he is attending a Commonwealth summit.”
Taking a moment to appreciate the double-speak involved here. The same Boris Johnson urging other countries not to “coerce” Ukraine into a “bad peace” precisely coerced the Ukrainians early on into dropping very successful peace talks, telling Zelensky the West wasn’t obliged to accept a deal even if Ukraine did. And he’s saying this from Rwanda, where Britain is now dumping asylum seekers at the mercy of a regime that’s reportedly been abusing… asylum seekers.
Perfidious Albion — knows no shame, but we knew that already. Anything to win the Great Game.
Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 18:43 utc | 27
Why is the Commonwealth meeting being held in Rwanda, which as far as I know was never under British rule or a member of the Commonwealth?
Posted by: Lysias | Jun 25 2022 18:54 utc | 28
There’s fun for nazis at this hour. Lots of strikes in Kiev region, Sarny, Krivoy Rog. Foreigners’ locations included.
Posted by: rk | Jun 25 2022 18:57 utc | 29
@Lysias
Bojo has an agreement with them to deport migrants there. Ukrainians will be sent there too
Posted by: rk | Jun 25 2022 18:58 utc | 30
Lysias@28
That is the basis of a good farce: you couldn’t make this stuff up.
A Commonwealth meeting in Ruanda; a Canadian General heading the Ukrainian Home Guard; Germany closing down its economy in order to punish Russians… and then there is the Grand Scheme of US Foreign Policy to drive every one of its rivals and potential opponents into alliance with each other, presumably so that when the entire global community is lined up against Washington (Oh that all my enemies should have one neck!) a nuclear holocaust will be an, almost, unalloyed benefit: 90% of those dying will be potential enemies.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 25 2022 19:12 utc | 31
Good. Still waiting for that demonstration nuclear test with live telecast in the far north, though. Poland right now needs a reminder that Warsaw can be glassed.
Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 18:26 utc | 19
I don’t see how that would accomplish anything. Poland’s response would no doubt be along the lines of either “Big deal, we knew you had nukes already” and/or “So what? You wouldn’t dare use them on us.”
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2022 19:12 utc | 32
“Bojo has an agreement with them to deport migrants there. Ukrainians will be sent there too”
Cool, he can dump Patel there too and good riddance.
Posted by: Patelski | Jun 25 2022 19:16 utc | 33
@barovsky #12
Also on that channel:
https://t.me/intelslava/31935
US porn star used in their crappy propaganda.
I find it hard to believe anyone believes such stuff.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 19:17 utc | 34
Lose another one? Why not.
…from WashingtonPost
As Biden heads to Europe, the mood on Ukraine is grimmer
The previous unity among Western nations is showing signs of fracturing, with splits emerging between those who favor a negotiated peace as soon as possible and those who want to let Ukraine fight as long as it takes to reclaim its territory. The war has meanwhile taken a punishing toll on the global economy, and rocketing gasoline prices back home will make it harder for leaders to impose even more sanctions on Russian oil.
What began as a nearly unprecedented display of transatlantic unity, with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky rallying the world’s democracies to stand by his country, has now evolved into a longer, more complex struggle, with no clear end in sight.
“Both the reality and the mood have shifted. Things are trending against Ukraine, trending toward Russia, given the nature of the battle at this point,” said Richard Haass, a veteran diplomat and president of the Council on Foreign Relations. “So the question is: What more are countries prepared to do to help Ukraine militarily and economically? But it’s a more sober and somber mood. The trends are not good.” . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 19:21 utc | 35
For German readers, this is an interesting interview with Jacques Baud. He calls for NATO to disband itself and work with Russia for a new security order.
https://zeitgeschehen-im-fokus.ch/de/newspaper-ausgabe/nr-10-vom-8-juni-2022.html#article_1367
Internationale Friedenssicherung: «Sicherheit durch Kooperation und nicht durch Konfrontation»
«Eine Nato-Mitgliedschaft der Schweiz würde unsere Sicherheit in Frage stellen»
Interview mit Jacques Baud*
Zeitgeschehen im Fokus Die «New York Times» vom 20. Mai hat in einem Editorial den Sinn der US-amerikanischen Kriegsstrategie in der Ukraine in Frage gestellt und ein weiteres Engagement hinterfragt. Wie muss man das verstehen?
Posted by: Susan | Jun 25 2022 19:27 utc | 36
Governing Mayor of Berlin Franziska Giffey has apparently been called by Mayor of Kiev Vitali Klitschko. Turns out the Vitali she spoke to was as fake as the kettle at the end of the rainbow and German state broadcasters are busy framing this as her being the victim of a scammer, who “apparently has used ‘deepfake’ technology”.
Not only German banks (using handouts and flyers) but German radio stations and state-affiliated media too try to make people aware of scam attempts, in particular the so called “Enkeltrick” (“grandson trick” or more accurately “grandson scam”), in which the scammer tries to impersonate a relative or acquaintance in an attempt to convince the victim to give up personal details, or money, or anything else of value.
Unfortunately for Giffey, neither she nor the staff in front of her were able to detect the fraud in time and so she spoke to fake Vitali for (according to the ZDF article) more than 15 minutes before someone noticed that something is wrong and called the meeting off.
What annoys me about this (it’s not that important, since she personally is no big wig politically and not a very bright bulb personally) is the way this occurence is being framed as “that’s just the way it is”. Getting scammed as mayor of the German capital while having people in front of you (some of whom surely are responsible for detecting fraudulencies like this) is just fine, while the blame lies with the evil evil scammers who dared to use “dEePfAkE” technology (<- this is a term that sounds impressive only if you don't know what deepfakes are and how cheap they are to make - any recent mid to high end dedicated GPU can be used for this in real-time, given the software of your choice is in place). Try making that excuse at your run of the mill job! A shame she didn’t run into Vovan & Lexus, because they would have made sure her clueless staff wouldn’t have realized what’s going on before it was way too late…
Posted by: pachinko | Jun 25 2022 19:28 utc | 37
Ukraine is reduced to drafting disabled people and that’s wining?????
The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
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⚡️Blinken: Russia has already lost the war.
“Ukraine is defending itself with extraordinary courage and resilience and Russia has already lost,” U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 25 2022 19:29 utc | 38
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 17:53 utc | 11
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NATO is not really ready (will never be ready) for a face-to-face war with Russia. It never was, as there’s no unity between the member countries — the economic cost os too high to bear. Lithuania is too small a country to waste other countries’ soldiers there. Except for political “value” there’s nothing much to gain from all 3 Baltic states.
Posted by: ostro | Jun 25 2022 19:32 utc | 39
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 19:21 utc | 35
Thank you, Don Bacon. After the Democrats’ lassitude in defending abortion rights, Biden is going to Europe. (Better to face the wrath of the Russians that that of his base, I assume.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/biden-g7-nato-ukraine/
An amusing quote.
Max Bergmann, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said NATO has a story of success to tell about the war in Ukraine so far — including Ukraine’s unexpected ability to withstand Russia’s aggression.
If holding out with zero progress for four months is success, I’d hate to see failure. (And I might see even that!)
Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Jun 25 2022 19:34 utc | 40
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🇺🇸❌🪙🇷🇺US President Biden and G7 l̵e̵a̵d̵e̵r̵s̵(hostages) have agreed to ban the import of new gold from Russia-Reuters
Since American and European politicans do not think about numbers when imposing sanctions,calculation incoming:
AZ OSINT🛰🌏🌍🌎
@AZmilitary1
World gold prices are at their peak .
The leaders in gold production in 2021 were:
1. China (370 tons);
2. Australia (330 tons);
3. Russia (300 tons);
4. USA (180 tons);
5. Canada (170 tons).
7:15 PM · Jun 25, 2022·Twitter Web App
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Gold exporting countries:
1. Switzerland ($61.9 billion)
2. Hong Kong ($25.1 billion)
3. Great Britain ($23.3 billion)
4. UAE ($17.7 billion)
5. USA ($17.1 billion)
Russia is in 13th place, gold exports in 2021 amounted to 5.7 billion dollars, and even less in previous years.
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Roughly speaking, Russia produces a lot of gold, but sells very little of it. Given that China and India are in the top five countries buying gold, it is easy to guess that Russia will easily sell it if necessary.
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What will be the consequences of these next sanctions of a politicans from the USA and their a̵l̵l̵l̵i̵e̵s̵(vassals)?YES,NONE. On the edge of the already high gold prices will grow on this news📈🪙.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 25 2022 19:36 utc | 41
The Ukrainians aren’t going to win this war by sinking Russian ships. This is a classic European ground operation and the Ukrainian army isn’t up to the task
Posted by: Lou Cypher | Jun 25 2022 19:39 utc | 42
Posted by: Down South | Jun 25 2022 19:36 utc | 41
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Well, you can’t run the car engine with gold…😏
Posted by: ostro | Jun 25 2022 19:41 utc | 43
usa is desperate. worried about a false flag, possibly a “tactical” nuke. i bet they would love to get their hands on a russian made one.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Jun 25 2022 19:50 utc | 44
Posted by: polarbear4 | Jun 25 2022 19:50 utc | 44
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USA is more worried about this…
Posted by: ostro | Jun 25 2022 19:59 utc | 45
@John Gilberts (14) If the Ukrainian diaspora as represented in the Ukrainian World Congress want the war to go on, I suggest that they get on the next plane to Lyviv and sign up to fight. It won’t take long for them to understand why hundreds of thousands of able-bodied Ukrainian men have left the country, so as to avoid having to fight and die in a lost cause.
Posted by: Rob | Jun 25 2022 20:08 utc | 46
@ Ursula Zandt | Jun 25 2022 19:34 utc | 40
An amusing quote. . .Max Bergmann, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said NATO has a story of success to tell about the war in Ukraine so far — including Ukraine’s unexpected ability to withstand Russia’s aggression.
The CSIS, funded by the Military-Industrial Complex, advises the US government on what to do, that’s one reason why nothing goes right.
Here’s more from CSIS:
. . .from Seth Jones, June 2022
Senior Vice President; Harold Brown Chair; and Director, International Security Program
Russia’s Ill-Fated Invasion of Ukraine
Lessons in Modern Warfare
Russia has failed to achieve most of its objectives in Ukraine because of poor military planning, significant logistical problems, low combat readiness, and other deficiencies, which undermined Russian military effectiveness. These and other challenges—including Ukrainian military efforts and Western aid—severely impacted Russian air, ground, cyber, and maritime operations. Russia’s failures will force the Russian military to fundamentally rethink its training practices, organizational structure, culture, logistics, recruitment and retention policies, and planning efforts. Nevertheless, Russia is still attempting a de facto annexation of parts of eastern and southern Ukraine that it controls. here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 20:13 utc | 47
@line islands (19) You seem awfully casual about nuclear weapons, which suggests that are a war-lover and that you do not understand the likely consequences of all-out nuclear war. And that suggests that you are a numbskull.
Posted by: Rob | Jun 25 2022 20:16 utc | 48
Posted by: Rob | Jun 25 2022 20:16 utc | 48
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With respect to nuclear weapons sentimentality brings nothing.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2022 20:20 utc | 49
New York Times
A New Task for Biden: Readying Allies for a Long Conflict in Ukraine
In March, talk of victory was in the air. Now, maintaining unity against President Vladimir V. Putin is looking harder, with President Biden heading to Germany and Spain to rally Europe.
WASHINGTON — When President Biden met his Western allies in Europe three months ago, the world was rallying behind Ukraine, and NATO suddenly had a new sense of purpose — its old purpose, containing Russia. There was talk of “crippling sanctions.” President Vladimir V. Putin was in retreat, and talk of victory was in the air.
Mr. Biden returns to Europe on Saturday night at a moment when everything about the war is harder. While Russia’s oil exports have fallen precipitously, its revenues have actually been on the rise, a function of soaring fuel prices. After concentrating its efforts in Ukraine’s south and east, Russia is making incremental but significant gains, as the Ukrainians, surrounded, begin to give up key cities: first Mariupol, and now, in the east, Sievierodonetsk. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 20:23 utc | 50
@50 Don Bacon
… Biden … to rally Europe
Oh man, how are they gonna fit the instructions for that on an index card?
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 20:26 utc | 51
re Polar Bear @44
I keep wondering if all the MSM BS about Russia losing the war and all their supposed loses isn’t a way of setting up a US false flag nuke attack where the West-can say it was because Russia was desperate because they were loosing.
Posted by: John Sang | Jun 25 2022 20:32 utc | 52
DownSouth@41, add Canada’s 170 tons to China’s. Canada sold all it’s gold during Ms DressUp’s first term, then proceeded to sell all Canada’s gold mines, domestic and international, to China. Sino Mine I believe, we have one about 2hrs north of here.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 25 2022 20:41 utc | 53
“On Friday, the Ukrainian World Congress [headed by Canadian Paul Grod] – a non-profit consortium of organizations affiliated to the world’s Ukrainian diaspora – announced that retired CAF General and former Chief of Defence Staff, Rick Hillier, will head the new group, alongside other former world military commanders, offering support and advocacy for the country’s 100,000-strong homeland defence militia…”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Jun 25 2022 18:11 utc | 14
Too funny, the retired Canadian General was previously appointed to run Ontario’s Covid-19 vaccine rollout with planned military efficiency. He quit after 4 months, likely because it was like herding cats.
Now he gets to herd “Cats on Coke”. I give him 2 months tops.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 25 2022 20:47 utc | 54
@52 – that was the plan. Chemical, nuclear whatever. But only part of reason. The other is to brainwash nato citizens to accept sanctions that hurt them, to steal more money, to give more contracts to MIC, apply endless sanctions etc. The same large scale lying was good training during covid, to hide side effects for mrna vaxx, to give more powers to governments and many more other things. I’m convinced Snake island futile attacks are part of the same hollywood/bojowood plan to create news.
So I expect more and more censorship, more and more fakes in Natostan.
Posted by: rk | Jun 25 2022 20:55 utc | 55
Does someone know of a good analysis of the political parties created and/or banned in UA before and since 2014, and especially since Feb 24th.
“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is among five people named Thursday as recipients of the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award for acting to protect democracy.”
Posted by: daffyDuct | Jun 25 2022 20:57 utc | 56
They can share the fate of the SS-Galizia brigade. Hope the Ukrainian “diaspora” is clearing space in Canada for future monuments to this “new group.”
Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 18:31 utc | 22
They can put a “Victims of Putin” as an addition to the “The Memorial to the Victims of Communism” in Ottawa. No need to send people all over the city, better put the tributes to fascists all in one place.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/victims-communism-memorial-fascists-1.6112809
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 25 2022 21:03 utc | 57
Putin at 23:00 unexpectedly enters the Kremlin.
Rumours that USA is launching its nuclear bomber fleet …
Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 25 2022 21:03 utc | 58
Posted by: Down South | Jun 25 2022 19:36 utc | 41
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World gold prices are at their peak .
The leaders in gold production in 2021 were:
1. China (370 tons);
2. Australia (330 tons);
3. Russia (300 tons);
4. USA (180 tons);
5. Canada (170 tons).
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Russia is in 13th place, gold exports in 2021 amounted to 5.7 billion dollars, and even less in previous years.
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Roughly speaking, Russia produces a lot of gold, but sells very little of it.
Being that the production list is in tons and the export list is in dollars, a quick-and-dirty conversion seemed in order:
* 15 ounces/pound (15 rather than 16 because I don’t know whether Troy weight is being used above)
* 2,000 pounds/ton = 30,000 ounces/ton
* $2,000/ounce, which scales to 30,000 x $2,000 = $60MM per ton
* 100 tons would sell for about $6B, which isn’t much more than the $5.7B reported above
So, it would seem that Russia’s gold exports amount to about 1/3 of the country’s manufactured gold. Hence the characterization that Russia sells “very little” of it seems more than “rough” (even if it does not invalidate the conclusion that ample markets exist for Russia’s gold).
Posted by: David Levin | Jun 25 2022 21:04 utc | 59
Today’s youtube reviews by Military Summary, and similar rutube by Yuri Podolyaka and Mikhail Onufrienko – all seem to conclude that RF attempts to bag the entire area, via the oil refinery / Verhnokamenka area, did not succeed.
Onufrienko further concludes from other observations, that UA withdrawals from Severonetsk and the east bank were done under some sort of agreement between the two sides, to allow UA forces out.
He thinks the same thing is going on with UA withdrawals from the greater Lisichansk area, though that’s getting even mroe speculative. It’s also something he laments – UA forces escaping to fight again. I’d maybe side with those who say is actually a good thing – reducing the destruction…
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 21:11 utc | 60
@ptb | Jun 25 2022 21:11 utc | 60
“Onufrienko further concludes from other observations, that UA withdrawals from Severonetsk and the east bank were done under some sort of agreement between the two sides, to allow UA forces out.
He thinks the same thing is going on with UA withdrawals from the greater Lisichansk area, though that’s getting even mroe speculative. It’s also something he laments – UA forces escaping to fight again. I’d maybe side with those who say is actually a good thing – reducing the destruction…”
I think the Russian military needs to build bridges with the UAF leadership so as to facilitate eventual cooperation with the denazification effort. Perhaps such arrangements may prove to serve Russia’s interests down the road.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2022 21:21 utc | 61
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 21:11 utc | 60
Seems probable that there are some more rational guys in charge of the military, and they can talk sense to Russia. I suspect that the NATO mob and crazies have given up on Lukansk and moved to Nikolayev/Odessa, where the real battle will be. I am not sure this will involve many Ukrainians or ground troops.
I suspect some of the high level command will grasp that their future will depend on goodwill with Russia.
There are however 3 big battles to come Nikolayev (preceded by Zarorhizia), Odessa (air and navy battle) and whatever happens in Lithuania. These three must be resolved before any negotiations.
Posted by: watcher | Jun 25 2022 21:26 utc | 62
It seems to me that from the beginning the Russians have showed far more concern for the Ukrainian conscripts than their NATO overlords show. I wonder if Ukrainians have noticed that.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 25 2022 21:32 utc | 63
Posted by: watcher | Jun 25 2022 21:26 utc | 62
You forgot Kharkov.
Posted by: eyeswideopen | Jun 25 2022 21:35 utc | 64
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 25 2022 21:32 utc | 63
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Hope they do!
Most probably their women would.
Posted by: ostro | Jun 25 2022 21:43 utc | 65
Biden punch card:
1. Eat ice cream
2. Scheiss en ze holzen
3. Rally Europe
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 25 2022 21:53 utc | 67
For German readers, this is an interesting interview with Jacques Baud. He calls for NATO to disband itself and work with Russia for a new security order.
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https://zeitgeschehen-im-fokus.ch/de/newspaper-ausgabe/nr-10-vom-8-juni-2022.html#article_1367
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Posted by: Susan | Jun 25 2022 19:27 utc | 36
Great, thank you, it appears to machine-translate quite well.
Some of it seems blatantly diplomatic, I think he’s trying to “talk a mad person down from a ledge”, it’s still an interesting read.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 25 2022 21:54 utc | 68
Canada sold all it’s gold during Ms DressUp’s first term, then proceeded to sell all Canada’s gold mines, domestic and international, to China. Sino Mine I believe, we have one about 2hrs north of here.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 25 2022 20:41 utc | 53
The majority of Canada’s gold holdings (47 tonnes) were sold between 2000-04 when Trudeau Jr. was still teaching drama, doing blackface and having inappropriate relationships. The 2016 Liberals only sold the last remaining 3 tonnes which were not worth the cost of storage and security.
Why hold gold when the global predators to the south can take it any time they want? Gold is only useful to protect a sustained trade surplus against currency debasement, and less than ideal for even that task.
https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/gold-reserves
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 25 2022 21:58 utc | 69
Chaka Khagan @67:
4. Immerse nose into 22 year old woman’s hair and sniff.
5. Inappropriately grope 8 year old girl on camera.
Posted by: Donnie | Jun 25 2022 22:02 utc | 70
Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 25 2022 21:03 utc | 58
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Peskov refuted the assumptions spread by a number of telegram channels that the head of state Vladimir Putin arrived in the Kremlin in the evening to allegedly make some kind of emergency statement.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 25 2022 22:04 utc | 71
It seems to me that from the beginning the Russians have showed far more concern for the Ukrainian conscripts than their NATO overlords show. I wonder if Ukrainians have noticed that.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 25 2022 21:32 utc | 63
I haven’t seen any indication that official Ukronazistan is at all concerned about its conscripts.
Putin at 23:00 unexpectedly enters the Kremlin.
Rumours that USA is launching its nuclear bomber fleet …
Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 25 2022 21:03 utc | 58
I doubt Putin’s doomsday bunker is in the Kremlin.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2022 22:09 utc | 72
Sheeple get nervious 🙂
https://www.quora.com/Ukraine-keeps-winning-daily-according-to-NBC-WP-NYT-and-CBS-and-yet-Russia-keeps-gaining-more-Ukrainian-territories-each-day-How-does-American-media-define-winning
Posted by: Arioch | Jun 25 2022 22:11 utc | 73
Posted by: Buddy the Cat | Jun 25 2022 17:06 utc | 2
Are Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea at ‘severe’ risk of being lost in this conflict? “
Based on the hits some if their smaller vessels have taken and the generally poor performance of most anti-ship missile systems generally I’d say distance is a major part of passive defensive measures.
Short answer – yes.
Posted by: Miller | Jun 25 2022 22:12 utc | 74
PCR’s latest. He says we are headed to war now:
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/06/24/war-with-the-russian-federation/
“War With the Russian Federation
June 24, 2022
Dear Readers, this website, the Institute for Political Economy is a 501c3 tax-exempt public foundation. For it to continue to exist, public support must comprise one-third of its operating costs. Currently, this is the case. However, public support has been falling. The backbone of the website are the monthly donors. But the response to the quarterly requests are weakening. The response in September is always weak, but this June the response is weak as well.
Is this the situation — when truth is most needed, support for it is running out? Once the ruling elites control the narratives, liberty, freedom, life as Americans knew it is dead.
It is increasingly difficult to tell the truth as Americans are punished for doing so. If you do not support those few of us who are addicted to truth, truth will die.
War With the Russian Federation
Paul Craig Robers
I remember when others tooted my horn. The French government of President Francois Mitterrand bestowed upon me the French Legion of Honor for the restoration of economic science. President Reagan sent his Budget Director, Jim Miller, to the award ceremony with a letter from Reagan giving me credit for Reagan’s successful economic policy that cured stagflation. The US Department of the Treasury gave me its Silver Medal for “outstanding contributions to US economic policy.” Who’s Who in America gave me the Lifetime Achievements Award. The Press Club of Mexico gave me its International Journalism Award. When my children were born congratulatory letters arrived from such luminaries as the Chief of Naval Operations and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And so on.
Today, my horn is not tooted unless I do it myself, which I have not done but now will. I have ruined myself by telling the truth, and I don’t even get credit for that.
Yesterday (June 23, 2022) The Saker (Andrei Raevsky) wrote that it has become undeniable that what began as a Russian limited military operation in Ukraine has turned into an open and full-scale war between Russia and the West.
I was the first person to put into print that the “limited” aspect of Russia’s intervention in Donbass was a delusion. Washington, I said, would never allow it to be limited. For this obviously correct insight, Andrei denounced me as anti-Russian. Dmitry Orlov dismissed me as a crank who wanted nuclear war. In other words, my pointing out a Kremlin miscalculation that would result in a wider war was unwelcome despite its obvious truthfulness.
Well, as Andrei now acknowledges, the wider war I predicted is upon us. The Kremlin’s receptivity to provocations have brought them to the situation where an insignificant country, certainly militarily, but in all respects, has blocked Russia’s provision of part of Russia — Kaliningrad. If the Kremlin, ever tolerant of provocations, accepts this, Russia is finished. If the Kremlin doesn’t accept it, Lithuania is finished.
As Lithuania is a NATO member–stupid decision–NATO will have to go to war or back down. The Jewish neoconservatives who control US foreign policy will not let them back down. Washington pays a lot for obedience and will expect NATO to comply.
In other words, Europe’s “leaders” are likely soon to be faced with a decision: Do we destroy Europe or do we give up our American payments?
They will take the money and run, but to where?
As a former Cold Warrior, as a former member of a presidential investigatory committee to assess the CIA’s views of Soviet economic and military capability, I can say, with confidence, that there is nowhere to run.
Unless the hegemony over US, and thereby the West’s, foreign policy that is held by the Jewish neoconservatives is broken, the West and Russia are headed into nuclear war.
The war will be nuclear, because the West is too weak conventionally to confront Russia. The West is not aware of this, because the Russian Donbass intervention involves few Russian troops who are moving slowly using encirclement. Normally, an invasion force relies on a 3 to 1 superiority in manpower, but in the Donbass conflict the Ukrainians probably outnumbered the Russians, with the mass of the Russian Army waiting on the sidelines for any NATO troop intervention.
There is no doubt whatsoever that Russia will clear Donbass of Ukrainian military forces. That job is almost over. But not the wider conflict.
EU and NATO forming coalition ‘for war against Russia’ – Lavrov
The Russian Foreign Minister said today: “Hitler rallied a significant part, if not most, of the European nations under his banner for a war against the Soviet Union,” adding that “now, the EU together with NATO are forming another – modern – coalition for a standoff and, ultimately, war with the Russian Federation.”
ptb | Jun 25 2022 21:11 utc | 60
He makes a good presentation but best to take some things he says with a good dose of salts.
Of one withdrawing Ukie column, only 10% survived. Those with civilian hostages will most likely get out.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2022 22:27 utc | 76
@Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 22:25 utc | 75
PCR tooting his horn – hasn’t had much of interest to say for quite some time as I see it. “If Russia doesn’t… blah, blah, blah…”
Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2022 22:40 utc | 77
Reading that Zelensky is committing as many reserves as he can get his hands on (and a number of those reserves refusing to be fed into the front as cannon fodder) to maintain control of what he still has control over in the Donbass. The Russian high command must be extremely happy with his support for their de-militarization of Ukraine via the Donbass salient killing grounds.
At this rate there will be hardly anything left of the well-trained parts of the Ukie military by September, and a rolling wave of refusals to obey orders in what is left of it. Just in time for the onset of winter in Europe, and the wearing of layers to bed for many. The Russian slow-motion “kill as many of them while keeping our losses to a minimum” strategy seems to be working beautifully, both on the military and economic fronts.
Parliamentary elections in Sweden in September, Latvia and Bosnia and Herzegovina in October;
Presidential elections in Slovenia in October;
Regional and local elections in Czech Republic in September, Germany and Poland in October, and Slovenia in November.
Could be some surprises in store, as with the two lost by-elections for the Tories in the UK recently.
Then of course, the US mid-terms in November (a true shit-storm given the Roe vs. Wade decision and probable stagflation in full effect).
Oh, and Russia became the largest provider of oil (in addition to natural gas) to China.
@ Arioch | Jun 25 2022 22:11 utc | 73
https… Russia-keeps-gaining-more-Ukrainian-territories-each-day-How-does-American-media-define-winning
Hans: How did you know the Russians were winning?
Fritz: Every day, our great victories came closer and closer to Berlin.
Posted by: Otter | Jun 25 2022 22:56 utc | 79
thanks ptb, scorpion, and many others…. no response on my part for the time being.. cheers and thanks for the updates.
Posted by: james | Jun 25 2022 23:01 utc | 80
OpportunityKnocks@69, the gold was sold under several sitting governments all with the same hand up their arse. If you produce you can afford to sell. Canada not only sold off its physical gold but the holes in the ground where it comes out of. In Canada, and Africa. Why, hmm, someone was broke and the choice would be…… bankrupt the country.
Cheers M
I would imagine at some point oil/gas fields will be sold next, although I think China owns some in Ab already.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 25 2022 23:04 utc | 81
. . .on Kaliningrad
Lithuania banning the transfer of goods to Kaliningrad poses a national security risk to Russia. Although Russia can still ship goods using the sea route from St. Petersburg, across the Gulf of Finland and the Baltic Sea into Kaliningrad, Moscow has not taken the European Union and NATO’s strongarming lightly.
Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation and a close aide of Vladimir Putin went to the extent of saying, “Russia will certainly respond to such hostile actions. Measures are being worked out in an interdepartmental format and will be taken in the near future. Their consequences will have a serious negative impact on the Lithuanian population.”
. . .Suppose some country blocked transit to Alaska? . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 23:12 utc | 82
@76 Peter AU1
Yes, grain of salt for sure. These are video-bloggers aggregating various sources.
For anyone else reading who’s late to the party: the highest quality part of the information flow, AFAICT, has been thru the Russian side of the journalist corps (plus the RF MoD itself, though they’re pretty stingy with details other than counting destroyed hardware).
A handful of the established journalists clearly get fed releases from fighting forces etc, intermixed with their classic format on-the-ground reporting. The telegrammers mostly just spread all that around, and try to reconstruct the big picture. Thus, this entire information flow can be carefully turned down at key moments.
Additional detail comes from Ukrainian sources, in principle also managed. In practice the official stuff is mostly just worthless, though the unauthorized selfie-videos from their troops can really cover the whole spectrum.
Open source videos have become largely but not completely suppressed, because of the security problems that come from the amazing geolocation that’s possible now. (just a partial glimpse of a building or hillside in the background…)
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 23:15 utc | 83
There are lots of geopolitical comments on this site regarding Russia v. Ukraine as a proxy war for the West to prevent a disruptive Bretton Woods III reserve currency based on commodities as a store of value.
But the battles over the last two weeks will go down in geopolitical history as Russia is set to completely dominate the the proposed “Middle Corridor” set of navigable rivers and canals to connect Western Europe, Northern Europe, Caspian Sea and Northern Eurasia to the Black Sea.
Turkey controls the Bosporus, which divides Europe from Asia, is one of the busiest waterways in the world. Connecting the Black Sea with the Sea of Marmara, which in turn enters the Dardanelles, the Aegean Sea, and the Mediterranean, the Bosporus is transited annually by almost 50,000 ships—three times the number that transit the Suez Canal and four times the Panama Canal’s traffic. Connecting the Black Sea with the Sea of Marmara, which in turn enters the Dardanelles, the Aegean Sea, and the Mediterranean, the Bosporus is transited annually by almost 50,000 ships—three times the number that transit the Suez Canal and four times the Panama Canal’s traffic.
But the Bosphorus route from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean is a congested difficult-to-navigate waterway due to narrowness and sharp curves.
Turkey is set to build the $15 billion Istanbul Canal Project as an artificial sea-level waterway that will connect the Black Sea to the Sea of Marmara and the Mediterranean, becoming an alternative for the global shipping lane. It was planned to be completed by 2023 to redraw the map of one of Europe’s biggest cities, turning Istanbul’s western side into an island.
The Black Sea is set for the planet’s next big economic boom and Russia is its new master.
Posted by: Chriss Street | Jun 25 2022 23:17 utc | 84
NATO in March
Russia needs to show it is serious about negotiations by immediately implementing a ceasefire. We call on Russia to engage constructively in credible negotiations with Ukraine to achieve concrete results, starting with a sustainable ceasefire and moving towards a complete withdrawal of its troops from Ukrainian territory. Russia’s continuing aggression while discussions are taking place is deplorable. We support Ukraine’s efforts to achieve peace, and those undertaken diplomatically by Allies to weigh in on Russia to end the war and relieve human suffering. .here
That didn’t work out, so what will be the new NATO strategy?
On the Agenda in Madrid
How has Russia’s brutal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and the new security reality in Europe affected NATO’s approach to deterrence and defence?. .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 23:29 utc | 85
@ Passerby | Jun 25 2022 18:32 utc | 23
Why the MSM only tell about the billionaires that own politically correct enterprises? (Tesla, Facebook, Google, Apple and so on) Why the MSM never tell us who are the billionaries that own the most profitable enterprises: the Military-Industrial Complex? (Raytheon, Boeing, Lookheed Martin, General Dynamics and so on). Who are the guys behind these enterprises? Follow the money! A decade ago a friend traced this. Individually they don’t hold stocks, but following the path you reach the same “good guys”. It isn’t politically correct to become rich building WMDs.
Posted by: BRICS guy | Jun 25 2022 23:35 utc | 86
The gold was sold under several sitting governments all with the same hand up their arse.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 25 2022 23:04 utc | 81
And whose hidden hand manipulated that process? The decision of a government to hold gold or not is a purely practical one.
Most Canadian Mines are still Canadian owned. Most of the big Canadian domiciled gold miners own foreign mines, likely due to lower regulation and labor costs. Why complain if foreign corporations happen to own a few Canadian mines?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gold_mines_in_Canada
If you are serious about doing some industry research, download the Excel list of the 197 Canadian TSX Listed gold miners. Filter by Market Cap. Go to their web sites and find where their mines are located.
https://www.tsx.com/resource/en/101
Bottom line, Canadians are among the biggest players globally and they don’t need our government to buy their surplus product like say *cough* (Russia and China).
It beats making stuff up.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 25 2022 23:39 utc | 87
@ Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 23:29 utc | 85 with the NATO link about the coming meeting agenda
From the 2nd link
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How has Russia’s brutal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and the new security reality in Europe affected NATO’s approach to deterrence and defence?
What is the Alliance doing to address other challenges, like China’s growing influence and assertiveness or the security consequences of climate change?
What will be included in NATO’s next Strategic Concept, the blueprint for the Alliance’s future adaptation to a more competitive world where authoritarian powers try to push back against the rules-based international order?
”
In the first one they are admitting that “reality” has changed and need to know what to do about it….surrender and dissolve NATO continues to be my suggestion
In the 2nd one they are saying that China is the bigger threat but we will be obtuse and include climate change to show how big picture we are
The 3rd is a hoot. How about if we substitute sovereign nations for authoritarian powers and substitute God of Mammon cult of humans for rules-based international order which more clearly states the necessary “future adaptation to a more competitive world” for NATO to exist.
I wonder how many of the Winston Smiths churning out this shit have little “Plato’s Cave” signs above their work station?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2022 23:50 utc | 88
Opport Knocks @ 87
I must be blind becasue I do not see on that list that most mines are owned by Canadians. They are Canadian companies for sure but what percentage of the stockholders are Canadian? Many of these companies have operations in other countries. Many have very low stock prices as this endeavor is very expensive and risky.
Does Canada need to own a pile of gold? At this point probably not in a fiat system. Other countries and systems value gold differently than the western banking systems and appear to be building an alternate system based on commodities like gold hence the large stash on hand.
I would not fault them for owning a bunch of gold. Canada could easily join the new club with its resources anytime it wants.
Canada can afford to be choosy about who gets in the country. People with slight criminal records dating back to childhood are turned away. I have a friend who is a mariner. His ship was not allowed to dock in a Canadian port because he was on it.
Quite interesting how the US has unrestricted immigration for the most part at this time and Canada will not let someone in who had a DUI 30 years ago. Of course, being a former Nazi does not count as a crime.
Posted by: circumspect | Jun 26 2022 0:25 utc | 89
@ too cents |1
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to what the Bullingdon batty crease has to say….he didn’t even know his tory flunkies were having a piss up in his own back yard during lockdown!
Posted by: Prince Andrew | Jun 26 2022 0:33 utc | 90
In a nutshell Buddy – No
Posted by: Merandor | Jun 25 2022 17:13 utc | 4
To be honest , I find that very hard to believe.
I take you are not familiar with the Steregushchiy-class corvette Pennant no 535 assigned to the Black Sea fleet.
Equipped with one Kashtan CIWS-M* and two AK630M CWIS * to be upgraded to the lethal PANTSIR M. The main 10 cm deck gun(A-190) can fire up to 60 RPM Given that rate of fire power there will be a 95% probability. Any old school very slow sub sonic Harpoon missile(1977) at 240 m/s air speed within a five kilometer range would be unlikely to survive the final 20 seconds run in fire gauntlet……
As a temporary measure spotted on the helicopter deck of one Black sea patrol corvette is what appears to be a land based Pantsir S1 system………
In addition two new seaborne weapons systems have been approved for installation on the new upgrade cycle. One is silo based. The other is maritime version Pantsir M . The sea monster can simultaneously shoot down up to four targets flying over the surface. Sea-based one can fire almost 10,000 of them per minute…..
The four smaller patrol vessels Project 22160 are armed with the AK176AM Burst rate of fire 120 rpm .
As for the slow flying subsonic USSAF spotter drone unless flying in Romanian air space and sea territory limit. It too will become mere target practice for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Under Oops we thought it was a country 404 target practice drone.
Still an interesting comment of sorts………..
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 26 2022 0:49 utc | 91
On the subject of Black Sea naval power disposition, anti-ship missiles and missile defenses, etc.
The most recent package of US aid to Ukraine contained a couple of handfuls of 34 and 40 foot boats described as riverine or coastal patrol boats.
Just how are those supposed to be delivered to Ukraine?
By train?!?
Posted by: LeMoyne | Jun 26 2022 1:10 utc | 92
Does Canada need to own a pile of gold? At this point probably not in a fiat system. Other countries and systems value gold differently than the western banking systems and appear to be building an alternate system based on commodities like gold hence the large stash on hand.
Posted by: circumspect | Jun 26 2022 0:25 utc | 89
Gold is a very important part of Computer VLSI chips(internal connections). Found in many modern appliances , cars , military play toys, smart phones etc…….. It is a given approximately 2600 tonnes mined annually. World consumption exceeds 3000 tonnes PA.
Canadian Mining industry outside of Canada in foreign countries is a very dirty polluting industry. Just like their Amerikan Cousins. Basically environmental terrorists is the polite description. Unlike Australia, where only extreme rain events cause tailing dam over flow. EG USSA Freeport(West Papua) vrs the cleaner Ok Tedi Mine (PNG)……..
For the Freeport mine. The safety of the hated and unwelcome very racist arrogant yet delicate Amerikan employees. By the local displaced natives whose water supply is often polluted by toxic waste run off from the mine. The mine itself has heavily armed security guards for the main compound. The Amerikan supervisors require armed escorts travelling around the mine site. The same Amerikan employees for safety reasons. Are escorted by the Indonesian Military in convoys to and from the mine to the capital city.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 26 2022 1:25 utc | 93
fom NYTimes – delivery R us
Commando Network Coordinates Flow of Weapons in Ukraine, Officials Say
A secretive operation involving U.S. Special Operations forces hints at the scale of the effort to assist Ukraine’s still outgunned military.
WASHINGTON — As Russian troops press ahead with a grinding campaign to seize eastern Ukraine, the nation’s ability to resist the onslaught depends more than ever on help from the United States and its allies — including a stealthy network of commandos and spies rushing to provide weapons, intelligence and training, according to U.S. and European officials.
Much of this work happens outside Ukraine, at bases in Germany, France and Britain, for example. But even as the Biden administration has declared it will not deploy American troops to Ukraine, some C.I.A. personnel have continued to operate in the country secretly, mostly in the capital, Kyiv, directing much of the vast amounts of intelligence the United States is sharing with Ukrainian forces, according to current and former officials.
At the same time, a few dozen commandos from other NATO countries, including Britain, France, Canada and Lithuania, also have been working inside Ukraine. The United States withdrew its own 150 military instructors before the war began in February, but commandos from these allies either remained or have gone in and out of the country since then, training and advising Ukrainian troops and providing an on-the-ground conduit for weapons and other aid, three U.S. officials said. . .here
Posted by: d | Jun 26 2022 1:29 utc | 94
Russian Long Range Hypersonic Strategic Bombers take to the skies.
Posted by: caption | Jun 26 2022 1:39 utc | 95
John Kirby, the former Pentagon spokesperson, told VOA’s Ukrainian service on Thursday the United States is “focused on making sure that Ukraine can continue to defend itself and its sovereignty.” — June 24
They’re baa-aack, and look how things got worse.
VOA: What results is President Biden expecting from his visit to Europe – G-7 (Group of Seven) summit, NATO summit. What is the major expectation?
Kirby: This is a very exciting trip. A year ago, when President Biden was at the G-7, and he’s now attended several NATO summits, the theme in the past has been, look, America is back, American leadership is back. And now I think, without getting into specific deliverables ahead of these meetings, I can tell you that we’re very much looking forward to a theme of, now it’s American leadership delivering, delivering for our allies and partners, delivering for the American people, producing results that will actually improve our national security, help with energy security at home and around the world, and also continue to impose costs and consequences on Mr. Putin for this [unprovoked]sic war. . .here
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 26 2022 1:42 utc | 96
Don bacon, I don’t know why you keep posting articles from western people who work for all these organizations who pay them to churn out Bs Analysis.
I can list scores who used to say Russia would lose, now diluting their bravado with some reality, but still big mouthing.
Everyday, I read the pounding that Ukraine is receiving and that is a fact/reality. Western governments keep making threats up as fast as they can think one up, while nothing is working.
Russia clearly does not need anything from the West, but it crystal clear that the west needs Russia. The fact is the west standard of living will drop significantly, without Russia even bombing you.
@20
Good kitty.
Just relax and let it roll off the back.
You’ll find all kinds here, and b is a gracious host.
Posted by: Cadence Calls | Jun 26 2022 1:53 utc | 98
On the subject of Black Sea naval power disposition, anti-ship missiles and missile defenses, etc.
The most recent package of US aid to Ukraine contained a couple of handfuls of 34 and 40 foot boats described as riverine or coastal patrol boats.
Just how are those supposed to be delivered to Ukraine?
By train?!?
Posted by: LeMoyne | Jun 26 2022 1:10 utc | 92
Why not? They just need to get them to the Danube, and can then send them downriver.
Posted by: Martina | Jun 26 2022 1:55 utc | 99
@polarbear4 #44
“(I) bet they would love to get their hands on a russian made (nuke)”
The US has at least two Soviet era nuclear weapons recovered by the CIA from submarine K-129 in “Operation Azorian” in 1974. That we know of. So if they wanted a loud bang with Russian/Soviet isotope signature it would likely be no problem.
Not sure if the opposite is true.
Posted by: Billb | Jun 26 2022 1:57 utc | 100