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June 22, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-92

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

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I just discovered a 2016 post by Regis Debray with Ray McGovern recounting the Maidan Coup, Obama relationships with Putin, and a a bit of a ramble (as is McGovern’s style) about coups in Moscow, NED and other timely reminders as to how we arrived here.
utoob for 26 minutes of Ray McGovern solo.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 23 2022 8:08 utc | 101

Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov, after the parliament passed a vote of no confidence in his government, laid responsibility for this, among other things, on the Russian ambassador to the country, Eleonora Mitrofanova.
Maria Zakharova, has already responded to the accusations from Petkov. She humorously pointed out that the list of “guilty” is incomplete: Batman and Catwoman.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 8:09 utc | 102

Regis Tremblay that is…… what a fab typo that was.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 23 2022 8:10 utc | 103

… best to evacuate the treasures promptly.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 22:59 utc | 69

Best for whom?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/arts/design/steinhardt-billionaire-stolen-antiquities.html

Posted by: too scents | Jun 23 2022 8:21 utc | 104

Posted by: Sam | Jun 23 2022 7:24 utc | 98
Bingo! BoJo was rambling about a “European Commonwealth” a few weeks ago. It would begin with the Baltic States and Poland.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 23 2022 8:29 utc | 105

Kharkov today, 23.06.2022 https://youtu.be/MM7neW8Eqo8

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 8:33 utc | 106

Remarks by President Biden on Gas Prices and Putin’s Price Hike
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/06/22/remarks-by-president-biden-on-gas-prices-and-putins-price-hike/
So, Putin is running the US…price hikes…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 8:56 utc | 107

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 8:33 utc | 107

Kharkov today, 23.06.2022 “>https://youtu.be/MM7neW8Eqo8

What I found striking in Donetsk in the summer of 2016 was that parks were all well maintained, with beautiful flowers. The main streets were cleaned daily by street cleaning trucks. All this in a country the West claimed did not exists. The outdoor restaurants on Pushkin Boulevard were full of people. The only oddity that pointed to war were the daily artillery barrages that started around 9 pm. The fighting was not in the city, but at the front lines 10 km from downtown.
Kharkov still has parks with flowers. But the city seems deserted. Maybe Donetsk is likewise empty, with the daily shelling. But no one is shelling Kharkov.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 23 2022 8:58 utc | 108

Article in Russian RT: “Foreseen in advance”: a month before the start of the NMD, the United States prepared HIMARS rocket launchers for use in Ukraine https://russian.rt.com/world/article/1017785-himers-rszo-postavki-kiev-ssha-rossiya
As RT found out, the US Marine Corps (United States Marine Corps) in January 2022 announced a tender for the conversion of 223 army trucks into reloading vehicles for HIMARS rocket launchers. This is about half of the total number of HIMARS in service with the US Army. Washington supplies modified systems to Kyiv as part of military assistance. The date of the announcement of the tender indicates that in America they were preparing in advance for a military conflict using MLRS, experts interviewed by RT believe.
As RT reported earlier, Ukrainian servicemen have begun training on the first four HIMARS multiple rocket launchers. Earlier, the United States announced the delivery of cars until the end of June.
Installations must be promptly maintained, repaired and provided with shells – and this requires almost more machines than the number of installations themselves. This was written by the American edition of Politico.
RT found a government tender indicating that the US urgently needed two hundred support vehicles for HIMARS. The tender was announced in January 2022, a month before the start of the special military operation.
At the request of the Marines
On January 6, 2022, a call for proposals appeared on the US Government Procurement Portal (SAM) to convert conventional military trucks into “reload vehicles” for HIMARS.
“The U.S. Marine Corps Systems Command is requesting information to identify interested vendors with the technical capability to convert up to 223 MTVR trucks into Highly Mobility Rocket Artillery System Reloading Vehicles (HIMARS RSV),” the tender description on the public procurement portal says.
The cost of the contract is not indicated in the document, since the document itself is a request for quotations, that is, the state customer is waiting for proposals from contractors, from which he will choose the most profitable one.
HIMARS RSV is a system that has already entered service, the authors of the document clarify, thereby emphasizing that the Marine Corps decided that it would be more expedient to take existing MTVR trucks and convert them into HIMARS RSV vehicles, instead of ordering new ones.
The MTVR army truck is one of the most popular and has been in service since 2000. The reloading machine looks like a crane with a flat platform, where the ammunition container is located.
Responses to the Marine Corps request were due by March 11, 2022.
Preparing for the inevitable
According to military experts, the installations were probably specially prepared for deliveries to Ukraine, and this was done in advance.
“This may indicate that the States were preparing Ukraine for active operations in the Donbass. Which once again confirms the need for preventive actions on the part of Russia, says Konstantin Blokhin, a leading researcher at the Center for Security Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences. “If Russia had not launched a special military operation, there would have been a tragedy.”
Military historian Yuri Knutov, who studied at the Leningrad Air Defense School and graduated from the rank of lieutenant colonel, said in an interview with RT that multiple launch rocket systems require a significant number of accompanying vehicles, including reloading vehicles.
“They don’t load each missile individually. The shells on these installations are located in containers. Reloading occurs by replacing the entire container that has been fired,” he explained. “I think every HIMARS needs at least one escort vehicle.”
Budgeted
Knutov, who now works as the director of the air defense museum in Balashikha near Moscow, believes that the cost of HIMARS was included in the US budget at least six months before deliveries.
An analysis of financial documents shows that the US was preparing for a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine, Knutov says.
“Changes to the budget were made in advance and provided for,” the expert is sure. In any case, the US would have provoked the conflict. Either they would make Ukraine attack, or they would force us to launch a preemptive strike. And part of that plan was the supply of heavy weapons.”
Earlier, RT published a number of materials proving that the United States was preparing Ukraine for military action. Thus, instructors from the US and the UK have been training Ukrainian infantry since 2017 . And since 2014, the United States has increased military assistance to Kiev: in just eight years, Washington sent $3.3 billion to Ukraine.
Four HIMARS units, according to media reports, have already arrived in Ukraine. Four more US promised to deliver in the near future.
Earlier, the US Department of Defense announced that Washington intends to transfer intelligence information to Kiev to strike HIMARS.
Weapons for “non-use”
HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems (M142) entered service with the US Army in 2005, as of 2016, there were 417 of them.
The delivery of HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems to the Ukrainian army was publicly announced on June 1 by US President Joe Biden. The transfer will be carried out as part of the 11th military assistance package worth $700 million. The maximum firing range of this MLRS is 500 km, but Kyiv will receive ammunition capable of hitting targets within 80 km.
The Pentagon claims that the United States is not interested in a conflict with Moscow, and focuses on the fact that the supply of HIMARS to the Kiev regime is carried out on the basis of the non-use of these systems on the territory of the Russian Federation. Formally, Kyiv agreed with this.
The Russian Defense Ministry believes that the Ukrainian leadership will use the MLRS to strike at Russian regions.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Jun 23 2022 9:33 utc | 109

“Ukraine has no historical justification as it has only existed as a nation since 1923”
Kaliningrad has only been Russian territory since 1945.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Jun 23 2022 7:57 utc | 100

Well, my cynical self just whispered that, coming to think of it, Kaliningrad a.k.a. Königsberg might be given back to Germany anyway. Unless some Old Prussian tribesmen happen by …

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jun 23 2022 9:34 utc | 110

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 23 2022 8:58 utc | 109
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Lately, I am searching videos from the people who live in Kharkov, Odessa, Melitopol, Kherson, Mariupol etc in Russian, in Ukrainian, instead of ramblers like Lira, Martyanov or even Ritter, to get the feeling of real people in real situations. I even listen to Arestowich sometimes, even though I can’t stand the guy.
When I see what’s happening in Donetsk and other places, I sometimes wish that America should feel it on their own soil one day. 9/11 appears to be not enough, and the US had not learned a lesson.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 9:44 utc | 111

@ostro 112
9/11 was totally different but in a strange way quite similar. An act by (parts) of the own government against its own people – just like Azov against the people in Donbas.

Posted by: Goingo | Jun 23 2022 10:13 utc | 112

Posted by: Goingo | Jun 23 2022 10:13 utc | 113
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Until something much more than 9/11 happens in the US, the Americans won’t learn a lesson. Or, a repetition of the Great Depression…most probably it is coming…with Biden’s PutinInfaltion…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 10:30 utc | 113

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 10:30 utc | 114
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Count me in on that. And even then I doubt that the majority is evean able to comprehend.

Posted by: Goingo | Jun 23 2022 10:34 utc | 114

Goingo @ 113
Funny. I thought the Azov fighters were mostly foreign neo-nazis?
And people of Donbass really russians?
Of course, we have seen all the numerous foreign fighters, NATO generals & presidents captured there. About 5, common soldiers, if I understand correctly?

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 23 2022 10:45 utc | 115

The Great Depression alike is slowly starting for the EU/the unfriendly countries in Europe. When Gazprom mentioned the non-return of Siemens machines from Canada due to their own sanctions, it outlines of that started to show. Siemens is a very old supplier of Gazprom, and should not get caught with such matter. Anyway, this is a pretext to cut down the gas supply to the unfriendlies — less gas to be stored for the winter, or even no gas for the winter. Germany raises national energy alert over Russia’s ‘economic attack’
Lot of fools are running the EU countries.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 10:53 utc | 116

The Great Depression alike is slowly starting for the EU/the unfriendly countries in Europe. When Gazprom mentioned the non-return of Siemens machines from Canada due to their own sanctions, it outlines of that started to show. Siemens is a very old supplier of Gazprom, and should not get caught with such matter. Anyway, this is a pretext to cut down the gas supply to the unfriendlies — less gas to be stored for the winter, or even no gas for the winter. Germany raises national energy alert over Russia’s ‘economic attack’
Lot of fools are running the EU countries.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 10:54 utc | 117