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June 22, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-92
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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Hey B, I noticed that a lot of people were being sent from your site to my humble little blog. Posted by: Rolo Slavskiy | Jun 22 2022 17:06 utc | 1 Very Interesting Documents from 1897 and 1915 show the people in the Ukraine thought it ridiculous that Ukraine could be considered independent from Russia Posted by: Dean Oneil | Jun 22 2022 17:10 utc | 2 Lithuania has been taking orders from the US for a while now. Back in 2020, Lithuania started signaling that it would not ratify the EU-Cuba deal when everyone else in the EU did. And in 2021, the Lithuanian parliament passed a resolution saying it was not “politically appropriate” to ratify. Posted by: havana | Jun 22 2022 17:17 utc | 3 Lithuania has irritated Russia and China thus far. It has a falling birth rate and no real resources. It can be cut off from Poland in an evening. Poland is non-viable with no energy supplies and poor relations with Germany. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 22 2022 17:22 utc | 4 Lithuania also is very angry at China. It didn’t help them, it’s causing lots of problems actually but they don’t care as long as master is pleased. Somewhere in Baltic states or Finland/Sweden will be Ukr v2.0, but will be much worse for them than it is for Ukr Posted by: rk | Jun 22 2022 17:27 utc | 5 A lot of barbed wire at Lithuanian detention centers for refugees. Posted by: havana | Jun 22 2022 17:34 utc | 6 Well Lithuania does have the highest suicide rate in Europe Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 22 2022 17:45 utc | 7 Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 22 2022 17:45 utc | 7 Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 22 2022 18:01 utc | 8 A lot of barbed wire at Lithuanian detention centers for refugees. Posted by: KitaySupporter | Jun 22 2022 18:04 utc | 9 Am I readying this from Martanov correctly … http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/ … he again wants to criticize Mearsheimer, and throws in some comments on the Brits as well, including this … @ Paul Greenwood | Jun 22 2022 17:22 utc | 4 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 22 2022 18:14 utc | 11 @7 Aslangeo – Lithuania may have a government of reckless NATO butt-kissers, but what you’re saying there is a bit exaggerated. Posted by: ptb | Jun 22 2022 18:14 utc | 12 Hey B, I noticed that a lot of people were being sent from your site to my humble little blog. Posted by: Bruce Lee Marvin Gay | Jun 22 2022 18:16 utc | 13 https://www.rt.com/business/557627-brics-developing-global-reserve-currency/ Posted by: Alpi | Jun 22 2022 18:18 utc | 14 @10 Saggy Posted by: ptb | Jun 22 2022 18:18 utc | 15 @Paul Greenwood #4
Naturally, they are one of the biggest polluters here. In 2021 they said that they want to shut down “Europe’s most polluting power plant” in Bełchatów by 2036. Thanks Russia no need to do that, I guess. Nothing is more profitable than the continuation of production with written-off equipment, providing that external costs can be kept external. Posted by: OttoE | Jun 22 2022 18:19 utc | 16 If my reading is correct, Martyanov is simply out of his mind. If my reading isn’t correct, what in hell is the correct reading? Posted by: Bones | Jun 22 2022 18:20 utc | 17 @14 Alpi Posted by: ptb | Jun 22 2022 18:21 utc | 18 I had a few more thoughts on the Lithuania issue. Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 22 2022 18:24 utc | 19 Learn from Obama and Zelenskyy: First go reformer, then switch to pro-establishment, even for comedians. Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 22 2022 18:31 utc | 20 Re: Lithuania Posted by: ptb | Jun 22 2022 18:35 utc | 21 @havana #6 Posted by: too scents | Jun 22 2022 18:36 utc | 22 Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 22 2022 18:01 utc | 8 Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 22 2022 18:36 utc | 23 Read on Telegram chanel that riots might be on preparations in South Africa…. Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Jun 22 2022 18:40 utc | 24 @ptb 18 Posted by: Alpi | Jun 22 2022 18:41 utc | 25 @15 ptb @ Et Tu | Jun 22 2022 18:24 utc | 19 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 22 2022 18:43 utc | 27 @26 Saggy Posted by: ptb | Jun 22 2022 18:50 utc | 28 Simultaneously I am reading news about at least three outbreaks of three different dangerous infections in three different spots. Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Jun 22 2022 18:53 utc | 29 Posted by: OttoE | Jun 22 2022 18:19 utc | 16 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 22 2022 18:53 utc | 30 @ Posted by: Saggy | Jun 22 2022 18:13 utc | 10 Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 22 2022 19:00 utc | 31 @Saggy | Jun 22 2022 18:13 utc | 10 Posted by: Hereward | Jun 22 2022 19:03 utc | 32 @ Hereward | Jun 22 2022 19:03 utc | 32 ATTN: Michael Hudson fanbase
The Baltic Tigers’ False Prophets of Austerity – Counterpunch, 2011 Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 22 2022 19:32 utc | 34 Miami police buying guns from ??? to send to the Failed State. Now that is sure to help to the “fighters” in the Failed State. Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 22 2022 19:34 utc | 35 so now we have: Posted by: Macpott | Jun 22 2022 19:42 utc | 36 I bought a new ipad, so was able to start another new account on imgur. Did that yesterday, was banned again today. This time I didn’t mention any “protected species”, and refrained from any vulgarity or “hate speech”. Purely historical background, to inform their perspective on this Ukraine thing. Still got banned. LOL. Posted by: Featherless | Jun 22 2022 19:43 utc | 37 The only conceivable excuse for seeking asylum in Lithuania is brain worms. Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 22 2022 19:45 utc | 38 Paul Greenwood @30 Posted by: fanto | Jun 22 2022 19:54 utc | 39 Lysichansk is now almost surrounded. Retreat is very difficult. Soon will be surrender. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 20:08 utc | 40 The entire coal thing is more Clown World scatterbrained BS. Those plants still using coal might need non Russian sources but something no one is bring up about coal is that you need coal miners. This is one of the worst jobs in human history, people did it because they were desperate, living in remote communities with no other work. It was a generational skill past on from father to son of hard luck hard scrabble people. It was the family and community and deep rooted culture that sustained them and inured them to the hardship. The whole industry in the EU was part of a historical continuum, long interrupted. In 2022 you don’t just put an ad in the classified saying coal miners needed, and the only way anyone will show up is if you are paying at least €35/hr with full benefits and modern safety regulations. IOW it’ll take years to rebuild the coal industry and it’ll be damn expensive. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 22 2022 20:19 utc | 41 The combined west cuts off Kaliningrad from Russia, and then tells the Russian that they have no reason to complain as this blockade is in accordance with their(!) sanctions packet. Posted by: njet | Jun 22 2022 20:19 utc | 42 Another great summary from the Military Summary channel:
Home coal furnaces are still extremely common in Eastern Europe, Poland in particular. (A quick Google search on “coal furnaces poland” confirms this with recent Grauniad articles.) When I lived in Vienna, the air reeked of coal smoke in the winter when the wind blew from the east or northeast. I recall lots of brown/black smoke in ex-Czechoslovakia too. Posted by: malenkov | Jun 22 2022 20:26 utc | 44 @ 10 saggy @ 31 Et tu Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 22 2022 20:40 utc | 45 Scott Ritter spends 7 minutes explaining the simplicity of the Russian treaty proposals of December ’21. Focused on their specific relevance to Finland. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 21:04 utc | 46 Mother Russia being led around the arena on a ring in her nose by – Lithuania. An insignificant sanddune where noone wants to live. A country whose language is a dead-end and hasn’t adapted in a thousand years, and will have the status of Latin by 2050. Wow. I know, Gorbatchev is still alive, but Russia is really already haunted by his ghost. Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jun 22 2022 21:16 utc | 47 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jun 22 2022 21:16 utc | 47 Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 22 2022 21:20 utc | 48 @47 Posted by: Alpi | Jun 22 2022 21:27 utc | 49 Kaliningrad solution could be quickly remedied in a day or two if Lukashenko tried his hand. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 21:28 utc | 50 @ 31 Et tu Posted by: Caucasian Eagle | Jun 22 2022 21:38 utc | 51 Brian Berletic at The New Atlas considers parallels between Ukraine and Taiwan. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 21:38 utc | 52 Meanwhile, today the bottom fell out of the UA greater-Lisichansk position! Good news! Posted by: ptb | Jun 22 2022 21:39 utc | 53 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 22 2022 20:26 utc | 44
God bless the humble and the poor they will be the only ones not to freeze this winter. The meek shall inherit the earth, or at least Poland. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 22 2022 21:50 utc | 54 Caucasian Eagle #52
Yep ++, any site with a claim of credibility should be inclusive of the many excellent sources of information on the liberation of Ukraine. Graham Phillips is ok too but I do appreciate the rough and untidy work by Lancaster – a breath of fresh air. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 21:51 utc | 55 Lira’s been home alone too long, his laugh is starting to get too maniacal. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 22 2022 21:54 utc | 56 @57 LightYearsFromHome Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 22 2022 22:06 utc | 57 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 22 2022 21:54 utc | 57 Posted by: ostro | Jun 22 2022 22:14 utc | 58 If he’s in Kharkov, he’d have mentioned what’s happening in the city and the suburbs. But, he never says anything about that. He must be back home in the US… Posted by: ostro | Jun 22 2022 22:17 utc | 59 Saggy | Jun 22 2022 18:13 utc | 10 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2022 22:23 utc | 60 Latest from Dejan Beric, DNR militia officer of Serbian origin: 1)War is progressing good, and morale is very good 2)Both sides use a lot of artillery of all calibers 3)There will be a provision for foreigners to serve in DNR militia under contract soon. Apparently there are a lot of volunteers, that had to be turned down thus far 4)Militiamen are so enraged with Ukrainian artillery shelling civilians in Donetsk, that they are demanding from Denis Pusilin to make provision for in-situ military tribunals for captured ukrainian artillerymen, to be tried and shot on site. Posted by: Misa | Jun 22 2022 22:33 utc | 61 Caucasian Eagle | Jun 22 2022 21:38 utc | 52 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2022 22:34 utc | 62 Would Boris be keen to bomb St Petersburg to protect Lithuania? Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 22 2022 22:42 utc | 64 WTFUD #58
I would believe it when I see proof of presence in Karkhov. And don’t try the old Kharkov chocolate shop vid. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 22:45 utc | 65 uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 22:39 utc | 64 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2022 22:47 utc | 66 Saggy #10
Perhaps it is the cross cultural insult merely suggesting the brits are stone age cretins and that reassembling a few rocks on the ground would confuse their simple minds sufficient to guarantee Russian victory. Martyanov does possess a touch of arrogance mostly :)) Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 22:53 utc | 67 Bad Deal Motors On #65
Well that quality abounds in both the House of Commons, the House of Lords, the house of Windsor and… Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 22:59 utc | 68 @61 Peter AU1 Posted by: ptb | Jun 22 2022 23:35 utc | 69 US bureaucrat says US must plan for Russia dissolution: 1/9/2019, “Managing Russia’s dissolution,” The Hill, by Janusz Bugajski, opinion contributor Posted by: susan mullen | Jun 22 2022 23:57 utc | 70 Only a complete idiot. Or a total philistine would destroy. One of the better museums in the world. The artifacts on display. Are completely priceless…………. Posted by: tucenz | Jun 22 2022 23:57 utc | 71 @ Uncle Tungsten 56 and Caucasian Eagle 52 Posted by: Alpi | Jun 22 2022 23:59 utc | 72 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 22 2022 22:42 utc | 65 Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 23 2022 0:06 utc | 73 The, pro NATO semi Canadian, Bulgarian government fell today. That is very significant news. Posted by: bevin | Jun 23 2022 0:17 utc | 74 @ Bevin, Posted by: Lex | Jun 23 2022 0:47 utc | 75 @sln2002 (34) Posted by: bjd | Jun 23 2022 0:55 utc | 76 I’ve also noted the increased activity of what some suspect are western intelligence trolls behind the absurd and pathetic attempts to discredit reality in favor of narrative engineering nonsense. Posted by: iseeit | Jun 23 2022 1:05 utc | 77 re: Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 22 2022 22:42 utc | 65 Posted by: Jeff | Jun 23 2022 1:27 utc | 78 On the 81st anniversary of operation Barbarossa (22. June 1941), which marked the beginning of the end of German Nazis, The German wunderwaffe “Panzerhaubitze 2000” entered service in Ukraine. Disgusting! Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 23 2022 1:34 utc | 79 one of the high value people in the Marjupol steelworks was apparently a nuclear scientist, John Spor, as reported tonight by ABC. He is founder of a company Texas Photonics , Inc.; Interesting story. Maybe some commenter knows more solid information on this? Posted by: fanto | Jun 23 2022 1:41 utc | 80 196km across Lithuania – I wonder if the Russians could send a guarded train across to enforce their treaty rights. Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 23 2022 1:42 utc | 81 @ Caucasian Eagle | Jun 22 2022 21:38 utc | 52 Posted by: MarkU | Jun 23 2022 1:45 utc | 82 The amount of noise is directly proportional to the amount of panic. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 23 2022 2:20 utc | 83 And people really need to either grok Suwalki or ignore it. The place, the area, and the border is nothing like they assume and most of the things being assumed are wrong. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 23 2022 2:35 utc | 84 Headline: Posted by: Cadence Calls | Jun 23 2022 2:54 utc | 85 Better in life to have fondled, then in death, to be remembered fondly. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 23 2022 4:22 utc | 86 Whether or not Martyanov had this in mind when he said Russia will let the UK rearrange stones, Einstein’s words bear repeating, “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones” Albert Einstein Posted by: Willow | Jun 23 2022 4:31 utc | 87 NATOland press gangs start rounding up Ukrainian citizens for cannon fodder. 21 million Ukrainian citizens live overseas, most of these are working age males, many have lived overseas since 2014. Posted by: Exile | Jun 23 2022 4:37 utc | 88 Re: John Spor
John Spor has nothing to do with Azovstal or the Azov Brigade. According to Linkedin he has been the President of Mariupol Electronics (Маріупольс Електронікс) from March 2014.
This part of the story is half fiction.
Yes, Mariupol was largely destroyed in the attack. But I am unaware that it was ever targeted by artillery or missiles. Most of the damage is caused by 125 mm tank guns firing direct fire through windows into apartments and apartment buildings. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 23 2022 4:59 utc | 89 History Legend offer an update of the Lischansk cauldron. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 23 2022 5:42 utc | 90 While the May 9:th attack on Snake Island surely was an attempt to get a propaganda win, wouldn’t the latest attack more likely be a probing attack designed and coordinated by USAF to explore RF air defense capability against a combined UAV, missile and artillery attack? Posted by: elak | Jun 23 2022 5:44 utc | 91 Where have all the old trolls gone, long time passing? Posted by: circumspect | Jun 23 2022 6:06 utc | 92 The Estonian Prime Minister forgot to mention to the two candidate countries that – by the way – Estonia will be “wiped from map” whether it is a NATO or not. https://www.ft.com/content/a430b191-39c8-4b03-b3fd-8e7e948a5284 Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 23 2022 6:27 utc | 93 tucenz #72
So was Baghdad museum, and plundered. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 23 2022 6:43 utc | 94 Janusz Bugajski is a senior fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA) in Washington, D.C…. Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 7:10 utc | 95 Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 23 2022 4:59 utc | 91 Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 7:20 utc | 96 Want to see something spooky? Go to Liz Truss’s Twitter account (UK Foreign Secretary) and there are a disturbing number of pro-Lithuanian tweets in the week before Lithuania declared a blockade on Kaliningrad. Posted by: Sam | Jun 23 2022 7:24 utc | 97 PUBLISHED JUN 22, 2022 11:46 PM BY THE MARITIME EXECUTIVE Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 23 2022 7:43 utc | 98 “Ukraine has no historical justification as it has only existed as a nation since 1923” Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Jun 23 2022 7:57 utc | 99 The first successful vote of no confidence in the recent history of Bulgaria overthrew the government of Kiril Petkov. Posted by: ostro | Jun 23 2022 8:00 utc | 100 |
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