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June 19, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-90
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I have a feeling that the problem of Lithuanian transit “blockade” will be solved one way or another within few days, maybe even tomorrow. Oh, it’s a speculation on my side, derived from what Peskov said today.
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 10:07 utc | 301
ostro #299
Is there a link to your Peskov source? It will save me and others a lot of wasted time if you could link.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 20 2022 10:28 utc | 302
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 20 2022 0:26 utc | 225
Thank you for that clear breakdown. It explains a lot. What amazes me is why so many people buy into their toxic agenda rather than take a step back and ask themselves “what the hell are we doing and why do we support this madness?”
Posted by: Krypton | Jun 20 2022 10:30 utc | 303
From IntelSlava
🇺🇦🇷🇺❗Drilling rigs of “Chernomorneftegaz” were hit by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there are wounded
🇺🇦🇷🇺❗The Crimean State Unitary Enterprise “Chernomoneftgaz” is an exclusively civilian enterprise with exclusively civilian personnel.
The strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the company’s offshore platform (unfortunately, there will most likely be dead, who cannot be found yet) is nothing more than an act of state terrorism by Ukraine.
Those who carried it out were well aware that the strike was carried out exclusively on civilians.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 20 2022 10:31 utc | 304
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 20 2022 10:28 utc | 300
https://t.me/s/RVvoenkor
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 10:32 utc | 305
The Russian Foreign Ministry reported that Russia demanded that Lithuania immediately lift the ban on the transit of a number of goods to the Kaliningrad region. https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1818554/
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 10:39 utc | 306
MEDIA RELEASE
On June 20, Charge d’Affaires of Lithuania V. Umbrasiene was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry.
The head of the diplomatic mission was strongly protested in connection with the ban imposed by Vilnius without prior notification of the Russian side on the rail transit of a large range of goods through the territory of Lithuania to the Kaliningrad region. They demanded the immediate lifting of these restrictions.
We indicated that we regard the provocative measures of the Lithuanian side, which violate the international legal obligations of Lithuania, primarily the Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the European Union on transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation of 2002, as openly hostile.
In this regard, they stated that if in the near future cargo transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation through Lithuania is not restored in full, then Russia reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests.
(translation)
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 10:42 utc | 307
@ ostro | Jun 20 2022 10:39 utc | 304
They will not do it. So what is next? Anyone?
Is this the escalation we have been waiting for?
Most dangerous situation occurring, that very few people could foresee it.
And such developments come out sudden and of the blue sky.
Options? Forceful solution is doable, but with which consequences and for whom?
I have a feeling that Russia has enough of crossing the red lines.
Posted by: whirlX | Jun 20 2022 10:48 utc | 308
In the south Russia pulled back to the borders of Kherson oblast. In the north Russia pulled back from Kharkiv. That operation appears more designed to secure the Izium bridgehead and pin down some of Ukraine’s military. Also to draw the likes of Kraken out of the city and destroy them, but not to take territory.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 20 2022 2:01 utc | 252
LOL. It is not the information I have.
Posted by: Olivier | Jun 20 2022 10:55 utc | 309
Posted by: Moabeobachter | Jun 19 2022 20:42 utc | 165
You need to update your ideas a bit. Try here:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/f-22-raptors-may-not-be-able-to-overcome-russia-s-su-35-after-all-severe-shortcomings-america-s-most-advanced-fighter-emerge-during-operations-in-syria
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 20 2022 11:16 utc | 310
The subject of the NATO/Russia air force has already been raised. On the question of artillery and missiles, this article with the nice title “The Return of Industrial Warfare” by the British Rusi think tank is quite exclusive, even if some assumptions are understated.
The so-called “Arsenal of Democracy” (really…that’s Orwell or beyond) would be exhausted after a few days!
“In short, US annual artillery production would at best only last for 10 days to two weeks of combat in Ukraine. […]
The US is not the only country facing this challenge. In a recent war game involving US, UK and French forces, UK forces exhausted national stockpiles of critical ammunition after eight days.”
Link to Rusi
And so they want to go to war, in Europe, against Russia – are they crazy? Completely out of touch with reality… So then, in Lavrov’s words, “Go on, then, do it!”
Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Jun 20 2022 11:20 utc | 311
Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine as of 11.00 on June 20, 2022
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to strike military targets on the territory of Ukraine.
▪ High-precision missile “Onyx” coastal missile complex “Bastion” struck the airfield ARTSYZ Odessa region. As a result of the strike, the Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle control station and two unmanned vehicles of this complex on the ground were destroyed.
As part of the counter-battery struggle in the Donetsk direction, 11 platoons of Grad multiple launch rocket systems were hit during the day in the areas of KURTIMOVKA, OCHERTINO, TONENKE, SUKHAYA BALKA, NOVGORODSKOYE, MAYOROVKA, OTRADOVKA and ZAITSEVO.
12 artillery platoons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were also hit at firing positions in the districts of Dzerzhinsk, Novgorodskoye, NIKOLAEVKA, Leninskoye, Zaitsevo. In the area of the settlement of PODGORNOYE, two 155-mm M777 howitzers were destroyed along with artillery calculations.
▪️ Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 47 areas of concentration of manpower and equipment during the day. Destroyed: manpower and military equipment in the areas of VESELOYE, PRIVOLYE and BOGORODICHNOYE of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the launcher of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system in the SEVERSK area of the Donetsk People’s Republic, as well as the locator of illumination and surveillance of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system in the NOVODRUZHESK area of the Luhansk People’s Republic.
During the day, 148 areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 25 control points, as well as 59 artillery units in firing positions were hit by rocket troops and artillery.
As a result of air strikes, rocket troops and artillery destroyed 450 nationalists, 13 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles, as well as 16 special vehicles.
▪️ Russian air defense means of Russia shot down a MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force near the village of APOSTOLOVO, Dnipropetrovsk region.
Also, 9 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down in the air in the areas of the settlements of ALISOVKA, Kharkiv region, Verkhnetoretskoye, Donetsk People’s Republic, GRECHISHKINO, Luhansk People’s Republic, GRAVE KULICH kurgan, TOMINA BALKA and Chernobayevka, Kherson region.
In addition, nine shells of the Hurricane multiple launch rocket system were intercepted in the areas of the settlements of MALAYA KAMYSHEVAKHA and Dolgenkoye of the Kharkiv region, Makeyevka and AVDIIVKA of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 208 aircraft, 132 helicopters, 1,260 unmanned aerial vehicles, 345 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,696 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 576 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 2,055 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 3,731 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
▪️ During a special military operation, the enemy suffers significant losses. So, since May 19, during a month of fighting, the 14th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone has lost more than 2,100 people killed and wounded.
Due to the low moral and psychological state of 800 people intended to make up for the losses of this unit, they refused to go to the combat area, accusing the officers of incompetence, bribery and nepotism in the payment of monetary allowances.
In the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, about 100 soldiers of the intelligence unit were removed from combat missions due to mass disobedience to the command and taken to Kremenchug for investigation.
A significant part of the command staff of the 30th Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have withdrawn from the management of their units and are evading combat missions.
Any pretexts for simulating diseases are used. In most units of the brigade, not a single officer was left.
Posted by: name | Jun 20 2022 11:28 utc | 312
Posted by: Moabeobachter | Jun 19 2022 20:42 utc | 165
The fact that you have no awareness of the massive flaws in both the F-22 and F-35 and have to be referred to a factual site for correction “makes me doubt anything [you] have to say on military-technical matters”.
Posted by: Moabeobachter | Jun 19 2022 22:08 utc | 196
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 20 2022 11:29 utc | 313
As Mao said – “Seek truth from facts”.
Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 19 2022 23:23 utc | 208
Man, you are just a mine of appropriate quotes. I hope you benefit from reading a few more such facts on the Military Watch Magazine about other US technological triumphs such as the ‘Littoral Combat Ships’, Abrams Tank, F-35, the latest carrier, etc. and the corresponding ones re Russian equipment.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 20 2022 11:39 utc | 314
Kingsmeg@222
Amen brother. Trudeau is a thug. English Canada should do what we are training Ukrainians to do. Those Frenchie’s forcing their Poutine Doctrine, speaking and learning in ‘french’ time to teach em a lesson. How long will it take to get our cannons back from the Ukraine, wonder if they can fire golf balls, rumor has it we are running out of the real thing.
Any Canadian finding fault with the truckers should fuck off, to the Ukraine, and join their Nazi scum cousins.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 11:51 utc | 315
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Posted by: Parth Patel | Jun 20 2022 11:54 utc | 316
I have posted about Lithuania in the non-Ukraine thread, might not be any good though and I didn’t explain anything in detail 🙂
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 20 2022 11:58 utc | 317
@Saggy #255
I believe the Russian Air Force is flying 250 to 300 sorties a day right now, fewer earlier. The main difference is that the Russian Air Force’s primary objective in Ukraine is close air support – not air supremacy followed by bombing all military infrastructure (i.e. all infrastructure) flat.
The Russian Air Force has probably flown less than 15000 sorties in 3 months.
Compare with the Western doctrine:
Air Force F16s fly the most sorties against isis
The Air Force has flown more than half of the 87,000 coalition sorties over Iraq and Syria since the air campaign against the Islamic State militant group began, striking key locations and assets about 25 times a day, Lt. Gen. John Raymond told reporters Thursday.
Desert Storm remains a powerful influence on air space forces
The U.S. and its allies flew more than 116,000 combat air sorties and dropped 88,500 tons of bombs over a six-week period that preceded the ground campaign. The air bombardment was so successful that the ground campaign was over in 100 hours.
I believe the 1991 Iraq incursion (Gulf War) was similar in terms of sorties flown.
Furthermore, the Russian sorties are different than the vast majority of US ones – close combat support as opposed to total infrastructure destruction:
NPR report on Desert Storm
the A-10 flew almost 8,100 sorties
While I am sure the US Air Force flew CAS with more than the A-10, this is a pretty good proxy.
Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2022 12:11 utc | 318
@Jams O’Donnell #308
Thanks for the link.
This caught my eye in particular:
While it is by far the most capable Western fighter in service, the a number of performance issues have affected the Raptor’s ability to counter the Russian fleet over Syrian skies. Foremost among these are the F-22’s extreme maintenance requirements, which make sorties more than once a week extremely difficult – exacerbating their numerical disadvantage.
So the F22 can dominate…if the Russians are kind enough to only schedule combat once a week!?
Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2022 12:22 utc | 319
@Jams O’Donnell #308
More nuggets from that article:
The Su-35 for its part is set to deploy the R-37 hypersonic air to air missile in the early 2020s, a ramjet powered Mach 6 platform currently deployed by Russian MiG-31 interceptors with a range estimated at between 350km and 410km.
This is the first time I’ve even heard that Russia has hypersonic air to air missiles – much less that these were already deployed in 2018.
Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2022 12:26 utc | 320
bevin @ 253
You are more than correct here. I know the Lithuanians you speak of and have known them all my life. They are determinedly stupid and arrogant and continuously rewarded for that. In the past few months they have gone from stupidity to raging bloodlust. The taste of blood is in the air and they want some. That bloodlust is emphatically present in all government offices from Post Office to Pentagon and shapes policy.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 12:26 utc | 321
karlof1 | Jun 19 2022 23:15 utc | 206 “I’m very curious to discover what’s meant by “redirecting the structure of the Russian economy” for much has already occurred in that realm.”
My guess would be autarky. Full self sufficiency of supply chains and goods.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 19 2022 23:45 utc | 210
My guess is that Russia sees herself as the geographical and civilizational Central State in an emerging new Eurasian civilization. She wants friendly relations with Europe but to do that has to separate them from malevolent strains in the West’s polity that have for generations exhibited irrational hatred towards Russia and Russians.
adding to my 319
Most Americans are absolutely innocent of history, geography, language. This magnifies the effects of the emigre communities. In any setting where discussion of any current events beyond sports and the weather happens everyone looks to the emigres. This also applies to the Jewish community, who largely function as emigres. The interchangeable Russian/Lithuanian/Ukrainian Jewish communities (I know multiple families who identify as all three depending on the occasion – which is entirely historically plausible and always used for effect) are as wildly enthusiastic for blood in Ukraine as the Lithuanian emigres who are open Nazis.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 12:40 utc | 323
In fact I went up and down Wellington St asking where the Nazis were, everyone pointed to the Parliament building and said “In there!” And they were right. The Trudeau government is populated by honest-to-god Nazis, finances, arms and trains real Nazis in Ukraine, and responded to domestic dissent from their agenda exactly like a bunch of Nazis would.
Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jun 20 2022 0:18 utc | 222
You said it! Even very intelligent people fall for propaganda imaging all the time. Once an idea or belief takes it is almost impossible to dislodge. Differing facts stream by without landing like drops of water on the hood of a speeding car…
Eurocommunists and MaloRussia
The last edition of the Program of the CPSU, adopted in 1961, said: “The Party solemnly proclaims: the present generation of Soviet people will live under communism!” Years passed. We, schoolchildren of the 70s, were all waiting for the onset of communism, but no, alas, it did not happen. The Soviet Union collapsed, the CPSU was liquidated.
The situation related to the onset of global happiness in the Soviet Union reminds me of the incantations made by the European Commission regarding the candidacy for Ukraine. Well, they promised. Exactly, they promised. Moreover, only MaloRussia was promised, not even Georgia (I would be offended if I were them, not to mention Turkey). They were promised, but with conditions. Like, should become better, cleaner. Less corrupt, more developed, enlightened, smarter. Aunt Ursula even said that Ukrainians are dying for EU membership. And everything…
And then, its as with the construction of communism. The date hasn’t been named. But there are many unverifiable abstract conditions. Their objective verification is impossible. They will be tested for decades. Moreover, by the new generations of EU leaders. Therefore, the real term is the middle of the century. Not earlier.
But the situation can happen the same as with the fate of the USSR. Communism, perhaps, would have come if the Soviet Union itself had been preserved. But the Soviet Union, unfortunately, is dead. Do you understand what I’m hinting at?
P.S. What if (I knock on wood) the EU will disappear by this time? It’s scary to think what a scandal that will be, because what sacrifices have been made on the altar of joining the EU and what a deception of the expectations of the unfortunate Ukrainians?
Oh touch wood, so as not to jinx it…
-Dmitry Medvedev on 19th June
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 12:52 utc | 325
Question from the RIA Novosti agency: “Recently, there have been many comments about how important it is for humanity to start discussing the issue of extending the START-3 Treaty with the Americans or a new agreement on limiting strategic potentials without delay. How do you think?”
Answer:
This will depend on the decision of the President of the country.
In turn, as a person who had a direct relationship with START-3 and signed it in 2010, I consider the time for new negotiations to be the most inopportune.
Even last year, the situation for negotiations on a new agreement was different, which was also mentioned by Vladimir Putin, who extended START-3 for 5 years by exchanging notes with D. Biden. And it was exactly like that.
And now everything: dead zone.
We don’t have any relations with the USA now. They are at zero Kelvin.
And you don’t need to defrost them today. And there is no need to negotiate with them yet. This is bad for Russia. Let them run or crawl themselves and ask for it. And they appreciate it as a special favor. Otherwise, it looks like this: they are solid abominations to us, and we are to them – here, pity, the nuclear deal.
Unproductive, dangerous and seen as a sign of weakness. Let them truly appreciate such a dialogue and ask for it on all the streets and in the doorways.
By the way, there is another proven method of communicating with America on this topic – a shoe on the UN rostrum. Once upon a time it worked…
–Dmitry Medvedev on 20th June
translated (not always easy…)
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 12:59 utc | 327
Why do so many of the people buy into the bs?
I’ve come up with two main reasons: 1) A lot of people don’t care or don’t want to hear how sausages are made as long as there’s plenty of them, affordable and taste good. 2) And a lot more people simply want to trust other human beings, including their government and what the legacy media reports. Sort of why most people are happy to eat at a restaurant and trust that that the junior chef who prepared their meal didn’t pick his nose, or worse, while mixing the salad.
Posted by: Krypton | Jun 20 2022 13:03 utc | 328
Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Jun 20 2022 11:20 utc | 309
US had problem supplying the stupid masks in 2020 so I can just imagine what a shit show it would be if some serious war supplies were needed for sustained warfare. Well there is always AMAZON and Alibaba.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 11:51 utc | 313
Any Canadian finding fault with the truckers should fuck off, to the Ukraine, and join their Nazi scum cousins.
Obviously what I saw through Twitter was a small sample, but listening to some Canadians complain about the unlawful trucker’s protest and their maltreatment of their kids and pets made me think that the Canucs live in LaLa Land. Then reelecting the Turd simply did it in for me. Canadians in the majority are just as lost as many in the States.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 20 2022 13:11 utc | 329
Christoforou saying Poland has agreed to Ukraine’s request: to identify and ship back Ukrainian men of 18-60 age.
Posted by: c1ue | Jun 20 2022 13:12 utc | 330
@ Peter AU1 | Jun 20 2022 3:52 utc | 268
Thank you for your correction of the NATO – pull back year – But my point was that Dr. Oprisko’s comment had the wrong year, 1979, which might have happened by a typing error and the last two digits were reversed. I realize that the year was to be 1997.
Posted by: fanto | Jun 20 2022 13:23 utc | 331
Your $5,000,000 cap is far too small for individual innovation in the modern world and, like it or not, a great deal of innovation comes from individuals. There is also the issue of incentive, why would anyone who has $4,999,999 acquire that extra $1 if that means they will end up with $2,500,000?
Posted by: MarkU | Jun 20 2022 7:52 utc | 289
Cannot recall the name, but the principal economic advisor for early Nazis before power was advocating that all GmbH’s and industries should be sold 5% per annum to the workers such that owners would be phased out as such after twenty years. Never happened and is too simplistic but there is the seed of a good approach there I trow…
60… lol.
So utterly idiotic. Looks like deliberate genocide of their own population, meaning Ukraine would fit right in with the EU so maybe they’ll use it as an argument in favor of their application?
In a functional society people approaching 60 are grandparents. It’s not often admitted but retirement ages are based on “you’re very unlikely to have many years left or have much capability left so we’ll let you off”, 60 approaches that.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 20 2022 13:27 utc | 333
Its somewhat funny that none of “western” MSM reports anything on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s official statement and about what Peskov said on the illegality of the transit block by Lithuania, and that Russia might take appropriate action. Checked the UK, US, German, Polish MSM. Some only “report” some BS about Russia blocking Ukrainian wheat export, and some other BS. Something in the air…
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 13:31 utc | 334
@ostro #332
You can bet it’s a major provocation by nato/eu. Lithuania said today that the transit block was coordinated by eu.
Sure, no one fears Russia and that’s the problem. The Russian offshore platform near Crimea was hit today by Ukr. You can bet it wasn’t their idea. So, again, let’s thank Mr Shoigu for his great strategy
Posted by: rk | Jun 20 2022 13:45 utc | 335
Tom_12@327…leaving aside the mockery of’voting’ Majority Governments get reelected. Minority governments need opposition support to maintain power. Singh NDP, WEF; Polivier(sp)Con, WEF; Ms DressUp hiself Lib, WEF and his Dom, Freeland WEF. Would it matter who the bastard elected is? Go through the list of elected officials, everywhere, look at the number of WEF Nazi indoctrinated politicians currently in power or chomping at the tax tit for their suckle.
Cheers M
I put Polivier in there, not sure if Sheer was WEF… Bernier had traction, till the MSM did their thing, making him, on the surface, a threat to them.
I agree, Canada for the moment, is fucked.
Poor old Jack, he had Canadians attention, then he was Chavezed.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 13:55 utc | 336
Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 20 2022 13:11 utc | 327
“Then reelecting the Turd simply did it in for me.”
OT to thread…
If one is to understands how the Canadian election system works. One will understand that the Majority of electors (Canadians) DO NOT support trudeau. (20% of vote went to the Liberal party.) (Alberta maybe 9%)
Without getting into great detail. (another day I may post why) The election system here is very easy to manipulate to a point now where it is rigged.
Just like the Ukraine the “winner” here is “installed” by the “bankers”.
Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 20 2022 14:11 utc | 337
СolonelC:
Regarding questions about Lithuania and the blockade of Kaliningrad.
In my opinion, this is an attempt by the EU to put pressure on Moscow regarding the resumption of gas supplies via the Nord Stream. Links to contracts are worthless now – everything that is profitable to violate will be violated. It makes no sense to cling to the papers now. Most likely, Europe decided that as a response to the complete cessation of gas supplies to the EU, they would organize a land blockade of Kaliningrad, which would put the Russian Federation in front of the need to solve the issues of supplying Kaliningrad by sea and air (although against the background of Germany’s problems with entire industries without Russian gas, these are flowers). It is important to understand that Lithuania depends primarily on the United States and Britain, and they benefit from both the blockade of Kaliningrad and the collapse of the German economy. Therefore, in the medium term, a land blockade of Kaliningrad is very likely.
The forceful breakthrough of this blockade and the solution of the problem of the “Polish corridor” means first a conventional, and then a nuclear war with NATO. Hence the increased talk about “nuclear deterrence” in order to try to leave this scenario within the framework of a conventional war.
Posted by: Kaliningrad | Jun 20 2022 14:17 utc | 338
AZ OSINT
@AZmilitary1
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26m
‼️”The elections held on Sunday in Ukraine are the last in its history. There will be no more elections. Because there will be no country called “Ukraine,” Zhirinovsky wrote on July 22, 2019.‼️
Posted by: Down South | Jun 20 2022 14:23 utc | 339
“…Poor old Jack, he had Canadians attention, then he was Chavezed…” sean the leprechaun@334
Jack? Jack Layton?!!! The NDP was bad enough before Layton. I hate to speak ill of the dead but really sean Layton was a real friend of the corporations and a lifelong defender of the capitalist system.
A good article here on the election in Colombia yesterday. If this election is allowed, by the US and the military, paramilitary, druglord fascists who have ruled the country since 1948 (Colombia is a NATO ally!), to take effect it could prove to be crucial in the shift towards democracy and away from gringo sponsored fascism in Latin America.
The chances of the US and the US trained military and police allowing that are small but, given popular mobilisation and constant vigilance the country and the continent could be transformed.
And another handful of nails driven into the lid of the Empire’s coffin.
And don’t tell me that this is not crucial to the situation in Ukraine.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2022 14:26 utc | 340
You can bet Kaliningrad will be completely blocked and only by sea will be reachable. But that’s the price Russia has to pay for being dumb now, much dumber in the past 10-20 years.
If there are water resources or any other resources outside Kaliningrad, they will also be blocked like Ukr did to water in Crimea.
Also, Colonel C says many stupid things. The solution is strong economic sanctions with immediate effect. The blockade is a form of terrorism by EU, you don’t negotiate with terrorists
Posted by: rk | Jun 20 2022 14:28 utc | 341
I forgot the link:
https://novaramedia.com/2022/06/20/colombias-first-leftist-president-won-despite-everything-the-establishment-threw-at-him/
Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2022 14:28 utc | 342
@ Scorpion | Jun 20 2022 13:26 utc | 330
Sounds like a good idea, I would go for something like that, anything to break up the concentration and inheritance of wealth.
Posted by: MarkU | Jun 20 2022 14:29 utc | 343
Levi
@Levi_godman
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2h
Mass confiscation of assets of Russians and citizens cooperating with the Russian authorities will begin in Ukraine by the end of summer, announced the Minister of Justice
reminds me of something
Posted by: Down South | Jun 20 2022 14:37 utc | 344
Discussion here seems to be unaware that rail access to Kaliningrad is absolutely guaranteed by treaty law. same treaty sets the boundaries of Lithuania. Americans have no sense of what treaties mean because America has never honored them. If treaties are considered as toilet paper then yes, it is all power plays all the time.
Massive and intentional provocation. My assumption, as an American, would be that even within decision making circles there is little understanding of how flagrant the provocation is.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 14:42 utc | 345
@ too scents | Jun 20 2022 8:16 utc | 290
I don’t think most real innovators are motivated by the desire to accumulate money but they do need the means to make their ideas happen. A lot of aircraft designers in the last century were forced to develop their designs as private projects. Even in the Soviet Union, during WW2, some projects were done secretly because the government wasn’t interested.
Posted by: MarkU | Jun 20 2022 14:52 utc | 346
Is anyone else having conversations that go something like this?
Person You Would Hope Would Know Better (PYWHWKB): Geez, inflation is going crazy.
Me: Yeah, it’s awful. Gas prices especially. Those sanctions are killing us.
PYWHWKB (a little surprised): Putin is a madman. He attacked Ukraine so we had no choice.
Me: Actually both legislatures of the Russian government voted to support military action. The whole situation could have been avoided if Ukraine had followed the Minsk agreements.
PYWHWKB: Russia invaded Crimea and the Donbass area and undermined the Minsk accords.
Me: No, that’s not right. Russia didn’t invade Crimea or the Donbas after the coup. They already had troops in Sevastopol legally and never sent any into Donbass. You’ve seen all the photos and video of the military action this year, right? But there’s nothing like that to show military action by Russia in 2014. As far as Minsk goes, Russia wasn’t actually a party to the Accord and had no obligations, so there was no way Russia could undermine it. It was Ukraine that didn’t do what it promised.
PYWHWKB: I’m surprised you’re such a supporter of a dictator like Putin.
Me: It’s not really a question of supporting Putin. I’m just keeping track of all the facts. But actually, Putin is not a dictator; Russia has regular elections and multiple different political parties represented in their legislatures.
PYWHWKB: Putin poisons his political opponents!
Me: Well, other than those in the lively opposition in parliament there everyday, maybe you are thinking about the story of [here I mention one of Navalny, Litvinenko or Skripal, we’ll do Navalny for this example]. Navalny generally polls in single digits and so wouldn’t represent much of a threat to Putin. But anyway, the Russian doctors who saved his life said there was no sign of poisoning, and then the German doctors who said there was wouldn’t provide the evidence to support their position. Navalny even went back to Russia voluntarily and has been alive ever since.
PYWHWKB (getting more and more worked up): You can’t tell me you trust Putin! Look what he is doing to Ukraine!
Me: You realize that Ukraine was shelling the civilians of Lugansk and Donetsk for years before Russia intervened, right? Russia implored Ukraine and Germany and France to implement the Minsk Accords but early this year Ukraine intensified its bombardments. Under those circumstances it seems like Russia’s intervention falls well within the concept of ‘responsibility to protect’.
PYWHWKB: Wow. You believe all of Putin’s propaganda!
…
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 20 2022 14:54 utc | 347
@oldhippie
Not important, Lithuania is cannon fodder for them. That’s exactly why MSM doesn’t report about the blockade. They will say bad Russians did something to poor Lithuanians, if/when Russia does something.
Until then the terrorist attacks in Donbass cities are increasing each day and Shoigu can’t do anything about it. Actually, they’re expanding attacks to mining platforms near Crimea too. New targets every week. Bojo instructed nazis well.
If won’t be more than a month or two before eu/nato sponsored terrorist attacks appear in Moscow and other large cities. Kaliningrad too, 100%
Posted by: rk | Jun 20 2022 14:56 utc | 348
My assumption, as an American, would be that even within decision making circles there is little understanding of how flagrant the provocation is.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 14:42 utc | 343
They know and they’re hoping Russia takes the bait and opens up a corridor through to Kaliningrad. They’ve sacrificed the Ukraine, they’ll sacrifice the Baltics too.
The Iron Curtain 2.0 will stretch from the Baltic to the Black Sea driving a wedge between Russia and Western Europe.
“Keep the Germans down, the US in and the Russians out”
Posted by: Down South | Jun 20 2022 14:56 utc | 349
some European leaders are beginning to wake up and smell the coffee, and not before time.
From the Sakers blog.
“Western Europe and North America are now in dire economic straits. Four EU leaders, from Germany, France, Italy and Romania, have just been to Kiev to plead with Zelensky to start negotiating again and make territorial concessions. The Western media did not much report on the fourth Romanian/German leader, Klaus Iohannis, and showed few photograph of him; possibly because the racists who work in the Western media despise Romania.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 20 2022 14:59 utc | 350
RF MoD ‘demilitarization’ tally, added up for the past week:
Differences in totals from RF MoD briefings, dated 2022-06-13 to 2022-06-20
aircraft +7
helicopter +2
UAV +64
SAM +7
armor +171
MLRS +56
arty/mortar +122
specialized vehicles +148
Posted by: ptb | Jun 20 2022 15:01 utc | 351
… Massive and intentional provocation. My assumption, as an American, would be that even within decision making circles there is little understanding of how flagrant the provocation is.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 14:42 utc | 343
US or UK, they need escalation to distract from the economic fallout burying their economies, so perhaps they do understand the implications.
A longer, lower intensity conflict allows more time for their own populations to think the whole thing over, which suits RF, not the Axis Powers, regardless of their ludicrous claims to the contrary.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 20 2022 15:06 utc | 352
The 2002 agreement between the EU and Russia on transit from and to Kaliningrad through Lithuania doesn’t mention sanctions, and is unconditional. That is, its either uninterrupted transit, or no bordersb for Lithuania.
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 15:08 utc | 353
Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2022 14:28 utc | 340
Great news out of Columbia, it can be done!
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 20 2022 15:08 utc | 354
@ Cabeman | Jun 19 2022 13:10 utc | 2
I agree completely. Until Putin gave Obama an out from attacking Syria, everything was copacetic between U.S. and Russia. But it seems like the mongers went nuts at being thwarted from their plans for war in Syria and have been trying to punish Putin ever since.
They were joined by outraged wokesters when Russia passed legislation against publication of homosexual-oriented information to minors.
And the whole anti-Russia movement crystalized when the deep state and Democrat establishment propagated the Russiagate scam against Trump.
The contrivances which led to the current level of conflict are quite visible, historically.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 20 2022 15:08 utc | 355
Down South @ 347
I would like to believe that at senior levels there is the sort of awareness you suggest. But I don’t.
The response of rk @ 346 is not just ranting from a demented bot. That is what America thinks. When the rabble has been encouraged to think like that pervasively comprehensively and since the dawn of time the elite are not immune.
I am starting to think that at level of hidden kings, hidden rulers, the decision has been made to close down the American project. Yes, I know we have only indirect knowledge that “hidden rulers” even exist and i am indulging in conspiracy chatter. But it all makes sense if such exist. Otherwise it looks like a suicide pact.
Getting the Russians all hot and bothered over the Suwalki Gap is not something done for effect or done to divide Russian opinion. It is not merely ‘bait’. This is what is done when you genuinely do not care if nuclear war happens. Or when genuinely unaware that actions have consequences.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 15:19 utc | 357
Perhaps Russia provoked Lithunia to block the transports to have an excuse to move its theatre of operations to the Baltic Sea 😉 It is interesting to see what Kalibr missiles can do to the two candidate countries while Finland is reinforcing its eastern border against Russia.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 20 2022 15:20 utc | 358
Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 20 2022 15:20 utc | 356
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Well, there you are! 😄
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 15:24 utc | 359
I am wondering now how long it will take the West to admit the deaths of the 50+ generals in Ukraine?
I would think that Russia would welcome a reason to resolve the stupidity of Lithuania transit of Russian goods. Not only are we going to see the end of NATO but maybe the EU will get a major remodel as well.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 20 2022 15:28 utc | 360
Michael Tracey @mtracey – 20:04 UTC · Jun 19, 2022
“Military analyst” today on @SkyNews: “Peter the Great was one of the architects of the former Soviet Union”
Fascinating theory…
Posted by: S | Jun 20 2022 15:30 utc | 361
Nicaragua approves Russian troop access to country, defies US objection. Fox News https://www.foxnews.com/world/nicaragua-russian-troop-access
4 days old, but still good news.
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 15:51 utc | 362
@ Jams O’Donnell | Jun 20 2022 11:39 utc | 312
You could add this to the list of US design disasters…
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/ajax-firm-75m-profit.html?chrome=1
“Conservative MP and Defence Select Committee Mark Francois also commented on the situation, albeit in a slightly less polite manner: “It is heavier than a Sherman tank and as stealthy as a Ford Transit full of spanners. And, if you are giving people steroid injections after having been in the vehicle, that tells you everything.”
It apparently can’t climb a 6” obstacle, safely go faster than 20mph or fire while moving without risking the hull cracking and is so noisy it causes medical conditions in the crew. As it stands it is functionally inferior to the WW1 era FT-17
Posted by: MarkU | Jun 20 2022 15:51 utc | 363
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 15:19 utc | 355
I am starting to think that at level of hidden kings, hidden rulers, the decision has been made to close down the American project. Yes, I know we have only indirect knowledge that “hidden rulers” even exist and i am indulging in conspiracy chatter. But it all makes sense if such exist.
I agree with you there.
Whilst you and I may not know who the hidden rulers methinks the Russians do. I like to think of it more as a voluntary liquidation in the hope of controlling the outcome. Whereas with a forced liquidation you are at the mercy of the creditors.
Getting the Russians all hot and bothered over the Suwalki Gap is not something done for effect or done to divide Russian opinion. It is not merely ‘bait’. This is what is done when you genuinely do not care if nuclear war happens. Or when genuinely unaware that actions have consequences.
The problem is they think they can control the outcome or manage the chaos resulting from their actions in a manner that will help them achieve their objectives without them suffering any negative consequences of said actions.
Posted by: Down South | Jun 20 2022 15:55 utc | 364
@353 “…. it seems like the mongers went nuts at being thwarted from their plans for war in Syria …”
that and Putin’s lightning move on Crimea. The US was only days away from establishing a base there.
Posted by: dh | Jun 20 2022 15:56 utc | 365
Figleaf23 @ 345
Don’t waste your breath. Like programmed cult members you won’t change their mindset without a full de-programming. At least you can take some solace in knowing that, if we get to nuclear through their stultifying ignorance, they will all be running around in the same blind panic never knowing what happened and squeeling like the proverbial “stuck pigs.” just before their faces melt off. Maybe stick that in his ear.
Posted by: Hoggy | Jun 20 2022 15:58 utc | 366
I am starting to think that at level of hidden kings, hidden rulers, the decision has been made to close down the American project. Yes, I know we have only indirect knowledge that “hidden rulers” even exist and i am indulging in conspiracy chatter. But it all makes sense if such exist. Otherwise it looks like a suicide pact.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 15:19 utc | 355
I have resisted conspiracy theories for years on the ground that although clearly skulkduggery of all sorts at all levels is in the mix they are over simplification of multi-layered complex matrices.
But, yes, the hidden rulers hypothesis does seem to explain a lot, or rather mist of what happens fits it well, especially if you imagine linked covens of secret society Satanists. Then everything fits perfectly pretty much every time!
Re: S @359
“Michael Tracey @mtracey – 20:04 UTC · Jun 19, 2022
“Military analyst” today on @SkyNews: “Peter the Great was one of the architects of the former Soviet Union”
Fascinating theory…”
Obviously, these military analysts are arguing that Peter the Great was a secret proto-communist and master clairvoyant, a mixture of Lenin and Nostradamus who predicted a revolution that would occur 340yrs in the future and everything he achieved in live was just his part in a massive conspiracy to ensure that everything occurs “Just as planned”.
The alternative explanation is that these “analysts” are just a pack of drooling morons. I know which theory I believe!
Posted by: Kadath | Jun 20 2022 16:01 utc | 368
If one is to understands how the Canadian election system works. One will understand that the Majority of electors (Canadians) DO NOT support trudeau. (20% of vote went to the Liberal party.) (Alberta maybe 9%)
Without getting into great detail. (another day I may post why) The election system here is very easy to manipulate to a point now where it is rigged.
Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 20 2022 14:11 utc | 335
In 2021 the Liberal Party candidates got 32.6% of total votes (not 20%), Conservatives 33.7%. Both major parties lost voter share, -0.5% for Libs and -0.6% for Cons. Gains for both NDP and People’s Party. Greens took the biggest hit.
It is difficult, if not impossible, to rig a Canadian federal election with voter ID, paper ballots and hand counting.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 20 2022 16:07 utc | 369
@ Figleaf23 | Jun 20 2022 14:54 utc | 345
Spooky (or not) I have had pretty much that conversation myself, several times now. I have just given up with those people, in general if they don’t already know at least some of those things they are hopeless cases.
Posted by: MarkU | Jun 20 2022 16:09 utc | 370
Don Bacon | Jun 19 2022 14:21 utc | 22
“How long will the affected masses take this rotten selfish treatment from the US, is the question.”
A better question is how long will we in the US tolerate the rotten selfish actions of our government before we exercise our right to replace them?
Posted by: JHW | Jun 20 2022 16:15 utc | 371
@ Scorpion | Jun 20 2022 15:59 utc | 365
It is just the banksters at work, the occult stuff is just bait intended to make us sound like loonies if we mention it.
Posted by: MarkU | Jun 20 2022 16:15 utc | 372
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 20 2022 14:54 utc | 345
Yes my friend very common in my neck of the woods. “The Ignorance is Great to where the Hate and Fear drives them.”
PYWHWKB: “The Soviets still pull the Russian people out of their houses and beat the “crap” out of them…”
Then the conversation turns into a all out joke with sarcastic laughter on their part. No reasoning with them, best I can do is walk away.
Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 20 2022 16:27 utc | 373
JB | Jun 19 2022 15:05 utc | 43
If France won’t go along, both NATO and the EU are doomed.
Flying around French Airspace isn’t such a deal-breaker when it’s the Middle East. Different story when you’re trying to move personnel and materials without access the the air over France or its rail and road network.
Plus, France is the only other country in NATO that can field a military larger than Germany.
Macron seems to have no taste for the meal the other meatheads in NATO are proffering. Doubtful the French want any part of that doomsday cult.
Posted by: JHW | Jun 20 2022 16:29 utc | 374
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 20 2022 16:07 utc | 367
Total voters and non registered voters. is 20%
Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 20 2022 16:30 utc | 375
The long anticipated operational isolation of the Zolotoye / Gorskoye pocket is actually reported, maybe for real this time.
https://nitter.net/ILRUSSO1/status/1538905767159414784#m
This small but stubbornly defended pocket has been both the southern flank of the main UA Lisichansk position in a direct sense, and also the flank of the Russian forces’ line NNW from Popasnaya. That line being the preferred direction of advance so far, for threatening encirclement/blockade of the greater Lisichansk position of UA forces.
Posted by: ptb | Jun 20 2022 16:31 utc | 376
Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 20 2022 16:30 utc | 373
correction *non voting registered voters.
Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 20 2022 16:31 utc | 377
Posted by: Down South | Jun 20 2022 15:55 utc | 362
There are no hidden king something. They’re mostly just Fence sitters that bet on horses, sometimes both horses in the race to gain benefits of its victory.
Basically all those that specializing in survival and benefit through struggle of every era, every revolution is like that. They forge subtle relationship with every actors and selectively discard, reduce, or sabotaging them as they see fit accordingly so they remain to see survival and benefit at the end.
Naturally these fence sitters are much less powerful than revolutionary actors like Mao Zedong, Che Guevara etc in their respective territories because their dodgy nature and survive in the case against these kinds of revolutionary characters through their use to and services to the new regime.
Otherwise they’re considered as old powers and would get purged without exception.
Posted by: Lucci | Jun 20 2022 16:32 utc | 378
Even Adolf Hitler, so dejected, depressed and betrayed down in the bunker in May 1945 understood that all was lost to Germany and the west and that the future belonged to the people of the East. He was so desperate he got married….
For revenge Germany should waste no more time and surrender tomorrow to the real Russia and fight the West to the death of it’s current batch of depraved, lunatic trannie “Elite”.
Posted by: Stritchplatte | Jun 20 2022 16:41 utc | 379
@ Opport Knocks | Jun 20 2022 16:07 utc | 367
true… i was in favour of proportional representation myself, but it hasn’t happened yet…. thoughts anyone??
Posted by: james | Jun 20 2022 16:44 utc | 380
bevin@338 we’ll never really know. To get in you need to play the game. Putin played the part well, once he got into power, from what people expected, he 180’d and then some.
To be really sovereign Canada needs a First Nations head of state, not some Euro blood imposter, but then, hmm….who wants to be Chavezed?
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 16:46 utc | 381
@ Scorpion | Jun 20 2022 15:59 utc | 365
It is just the banksters at work, the occult stuff is just bait intended to make us sound like loonies if we mention it.
Posted by: MarkU | Jun 20 2022 16:15 utc | 370
There is some support for this view over at the libertarian camp. Brandon Smith (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/06/brandon-smith/the-engineered-stagflationary-collapse-has-arrived-heres-what-happens-next/) says:
“Would they sacrifice “the golden goose” of US markets in order to gain more power and full bore globalism? Absolutely. Would central bankers sacrifice the dollar and blow up the Fed as an institution in order to force a global currency system on the masses? There is no doubt; they’ve put the US economy at risk in the past in order to get more centralization.’…”
Posted by: Pagan | Jun 20 2022 16:50 utc | 382
To be really sovereign Canada needs a First Nations head of state, not some Euro blood imposter,…
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 16:46 utc | 379
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Well, Canada’s head of state is the queen, so has that Euro blood…
Posted by: ostro | Jun 20 2022 16:53 utc | 383
Down South @ 362
We are attempting to have a reasonable discussion about people who are unreasonable and unreasoning.
You speak of managing chaos. If our rulers believe they can control the outcome of what they have set in motion here they are truly mad. Maybe they are. We are spectators.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 20 2022 16:59 utc | 384
@ sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 16:46 utc | 379 quote
“To be really sovereign Canada needs a First Nations head of state, not some Euro blood imposter,…”
aside from ostros viewpoint and john cleary’s – your idea would appeal to the WOKE crowd that is in the ascendancy here in canada… having lived a life in canada and watched the first nations take over responsibility for a number of things, it is with sadness that i can inform you they had all adopted the same strategy as the ‘white man’ where they give lip service to the environment, but operate in a business as usual manner regardless… my idealism towards a change via the indigenous culture has had a rude awakening over the course of the past 30 or more years… canada is basically fucked… the Woke crowd continue to force their ideology on us and it isn’t working out, or pretty…
Posted by: james | Jun 20 2022 17:00 utc | 385
@Figleaf23, 353
That was when it seemed to me for sure that every time Putin would be mentioned in MSM reporting, it would be always a disrespectful ‘Putin,’ rather than President Putin, and it would always be with regard to some crime the US commits much more flagrantly, with the caveat that Putin does it on purpose and we only have unfortunate mishaps (in which we, say, use an AC-130 attack aircraft to destroy a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan, a ‘mistake’ that lasted over an hour.) The propaganda surrounding the Russian government was once again front and center. It definitely helps that as other posters have pointed out, the American population has been brainwashed against Russians forever, so that switch was easy to flip, and then throttle up to full blast.
@345 and @MarkU, 368
I actually had a Jewish friend ask me, in all seriousness, ‘What if the Russians are just as bad as the Nazis?’ You can’t even answer it.
@JHW (372) ” Plus, France is the only other country in NATO that can field a military larger than Germany.”
Actually, Turkey has the largest military (in terms of manpower) of any NATO member country except the United States.
Posted by: Rob | Jun 20 2022 17:51 utc | 387
In 2021 the Liberal Party candidates got 32.6% of total votes (not 20%), Conservatives 33.7%. Both major parties lost voter share, -0.5% for Libs and -0.6% for Cons. Gains for both NDP and People’s Party. Greens took the biggest hit.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 20 2022 16:07 utc | 369
6% of Canadians voted for Justin Trudeau. If you calculate the % of Canadians who are eligible to vote, % actually voted, % voted Liberal, and % that admitted they were voting against the Conservatives. Literally almost no one in Canada wanted that asshat to be PM. Same for Biden in USA, Macron in France, etc etc etc. It’s a bit of a pattern.
Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jun 20 2022 18:32 utc | 388
@385 Probably the first thing a First Nations government would do is send all Europeans back where they came from. Or put them on reserves if they behave themselves.
Posted by: dh | Jun 20 2022 18:39 utc | 389
Posted by: Pagan | Jun 20 2022 16:50 utc | 382
How in fuck do you get a more globalized currency system than USD hegemony.
Also, if the US of A is “detonated”, what institutions would enforce such a thing, and at whose gunpoint?
Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 20 2022 18:43 utc | 390
@ dh | Jun 20 2022 18:39 utc | 389
lol.. unfortunately everyone is thinking about money and how to get more of it… the world has become more materialistic and it doesn’t matter who is making decisions, as this is their main priority.. and of course politicians and pretty well everyone can be bought..
Posted by: james | Jun 20 2022 18:57 utc | 391
Posted by: Kingsmeg | Jun 20 2022 18:32 utc | 388
Cha Ching!! thank you my friend for seeing the reality it is. 🙂
Like Russia/Ukraine… A few people here do not dig for the actual facts. They only spew “the facts” they find on the first few lines of wikipedia.
Posted by: Heavymetal101 | Jun 20 2022 19:38 utc | 392
@391 But I thought First Nations people lived in harmony with nature and followed the old traditional ways of the Great Spirit? No 4×4 trucks and Big Macs for them.
Posted by: dh | Jun 20 2022 19:56 utc | 393
james@385..they learned well, I see it first hand on the streets, in the boardrooms, a fucking mess. I had a convo with a young FN person, was training him. He said they figure it will take at least seven generations to move past the Residential school issue. I figure by then, Canada will be primed for its first Civil War. Archie might be King by then. They’ll still own Canada though, look at the States, won the War of Independence, and still have UK financial yoke on the neck.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 20:29 utc | 394
@ dh | Jun 20 2022 19:56 utc | 393
lol… that wouldn’t go over well with macdonalds and ford, chevrolet, or whatever car corp that is selling a shit ton of that stuff around here… listen dh… what would the corporations think? get with the program!
Posted by: james | Jun 20 2022 21:24 utc | 395
@ sean the leprechaun | Jun 20 2022 20:29 utc | 394
yes…. different owners, same shit basically…. i am always shocked and disturbed by the naivety of the ordinary canuck.. oh well… it is hard not to be cynical and think people are really stupid fucks…
Posted by: james | Jun 20 2022 21:26 utc | 396
@395 There is nothing quite like taking the family to MacDonalds in a brand new RAM truck. I expect when First Nations take over and kick all the white people out they will make a few exceptions. Doctors and dentists for example. MacDonalds can stay. Helicopter pilots will always be welcome.
Posted by: dh | Jun 20 2022 22:02 utc | 397
lol… true… if you lived here on vancouver island, you might come to the same conclusion…
Posted by: james | Jun 20 2022 22:22 utc | 398
@398 I once worked in Northern Ontario with Cree (oil exploration). And I know your area quite well james. My son fished out of Tofino for a few years.
Posted by: dh | Jun 20 2022 22:58 utc | 399
Posted by: bevin | Jun 20 2022 14:26 utc | 340
I went to high school with Jack Layton. I started up a film club. Jack was the head of student council and I approached him for $20 in council funds to acquire film stock for the group.
He thought about it.
Then he thought about it some more.
He hemmed and hawed.
He avoided me in the hallways.
Then he grudgingly said yes.
For $20!!!
Back then $20 was the equivalent of 40 packs of smokes or 70 gallons of gas.
Or 800 feet of 8 mm film.
The stingiest socialist I ever met.
Politics was just an easy way to avoid working while still having funds for massage parlour happy time.
Posted by: Sushi | Jun 21 2022 0:13 utc | 400