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June 16, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-88

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S @290 and Aslangeo @295
Some agree and some disagree, it seems. Wikipedia has some pro and con views:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy

Posted by: aquileia | Jun 17 2022 15:40 utc | 301

Aslangeo@295
I guess that we still have to account for the alleged maps in the reputed tanks which only mapped German occupied territory.
After all that was the entire evidence put forward by aquileia@277 for the extraordinary claim that the Soviet Union was preparing to attack Germany in June 1941- a claim that is pointless except that it clears Hitler and the Nazis of any blame for the war.
Which, in turn, leads to the conclusion that aquileia is a Nazi apologist.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 17 2022 15:41 utc | 302

“Technocracy is communism by another name.”
Nope. Try again.
Really, you are not even in the ballpark yet.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 17 2022 15:42 utc | 303

https://www.fleetmon.com/maritime-news/2022/38605/russian-navy-new-sar-ship-hit-harpoon-missile-blac/
Previously mentioned by cassad also. I was not aware that cassad has a version from Kiev.
My comment, if this is true about harpoon, the gloves should come off: american weapons killing
russians at sea in international waters via ukraine, I know it is current story but this is criminal and a declaration of war.

Posted by: Thomas | Jun 17 2022 15:43 utc | 304

aquilea@277, if you were acquainted with Soviet military theory, you would know that “the offensive” was the only response that the defending Soviet army had available, doctrinally speaking (the infamous “Red Packets”). That’s why they had maps not related to the tactical situation in which they found themselves. Take a look at Soviet doctrine developed in the twenties and thirties, defence is hardly mentioned.
Lysias@280, you don’t mention the diverting of strategic air and armour assets to assist in the conquest of the Balkans. When these machines and crews returned to the eastern army for the invasion of the USSR, they had a plethora of morale and maintenance problems that could only be fixed by rest and time. Driving into the endless steppe was the last thing these formations needed to regain maximum combat efficiency.
Cheers

Posted by: Foxbat | Jun 17 2022 15:52 utc | 305

Lengthy take down on air head leyen:
https://thenewkremlinstooge.wordpress.com/2022/06/04/how-many-frequent-flyer-miles-would-it-cost-to-send-ursula-von-der-leyen-non-stop-to-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-75976
She is right up there with giggles harris.

Posted by: Thomas | Jun 17 2022 15:54 utc | 306

aquileia | Jun 17 2022 15:40 utc | 298
Especially British MI6 agents like Rezun, far right “historians” like Joachim Hoffmann, and Josef Goebbel as the inventor support this bizarre lie.
Serious historians with knowledge about the sources disagree.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 17 2022 16:00 utc | 307

ostro@297, Glantz was one of the first to get his western hands on all the Soviet military files, that were open for a while in the nineties. I have read most of his work. Whilst his political understanding smacks of naivete, on most military matters he acquits himself well. I think he was in Russia many times, visiting the archives in person. Accurate information is the key to military success, assuming the requisite forces, doctrine etc are in place. You can compare stuff in Glantz to all previous western historians writing on the eastern front, and see the ideological influence of Cold War politics on history, particularly military history. That is why Glantz is important, not for any inherent merit of the man himself and his work. As I recall, he was a colonel at the US war college. Make of that last fact what you will.
Cheers
Cheers

Posted by: Foxbat | Jun 17 2022 16:17 utc | 308

bevin @299
How does it “clear the Nazis of any blame” if (and that is an if) both sides, Nazis and Soviets, were planning to attack each other? And frankly, you’re a moron for calling me a Nazi apologist for that. Are you the kind of person who calls people Putin apologists for pointing out a war had been going on in Ukraine for years before evil Putin ordered his heinous attack?

Posted by: aquileia | Jun 17 2022 16:18 utc | 309

some folks here are taking themselves way too seriously …meanwhile some real people in ukraine are getting killed………….
@ Roger | Jun 17 2022 14:57 utc | 284
sounds like a nice way to pass the time, reading a hard copy book ( as opposed to making a donation to amazon and etc via ebook) in a park in the summer and eating ice cream too! i have that book, but have to finish up a few others before i can get to it…

Posted by: james | Jun 17 2022 16:31 utc | 310

trudeau update for the canucks here..

Posted by: james | Jun 17 2022 16:32 utc | 311

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Jun 17 2022 15:05 utc | 288
Full transcript (in Russian) of Vladimir Putin’s speech at SPIEF on June 17, 2022 is now available at:
https://rg.ru/2022/06/17/stenogramma-o-chem-rasskazal-vladimir-putin-na-plenarnom-zasedanii-pmef-2022.html
Some highlights:
……Dear friends!
As I have already said, the modern world is going through an era of cardinal changes. International institutions break down and fail. Security guarantees are devalued. The West has fundamentally refused to fulfill its earlier obligations. It was simply impossible to reach any new agreements with him.
In the current situation, against the backdrop of growing risks and threats for us, Russia’s decision to conduct a special military operation was forced. Difficult, certainly, but forced and necessary.
This is the decision of a sovereign country, which has an unconditional right, based, by the way, on the UN Charter, to defend its security. A decision aimed at protecting our citizens, residents of the people’s republics of Donbass, who for eight years were subjected to genocide by the Kyiv regime and neo-Nazis who received the full protection of the West.
The West not only sought to implement the “anti-Russia” scenario, but also led an active military development of Ukrainian territory, literally pumping Ukraine with weapons and military advisers. It continues to do so even now. To be honest, no one pays any attention to the development of the economy, the well-being of the people living there, they just don’t give a damn about it, in any way, but there is no money to create a NATO foothold in the east, directed against Russia, to cultivate aggression, hatred and Russophobia sorry and sorry.
Today, our soldiers and officers, the Donbass militia are fighting to protect their people. They defend Russia’s right to free and secure development as a large multinational country that makes decisions on its own, determines its own future, relies on its history, culture and traditions, and rejects all attempts to impose pseudo-values ​​of dehumanization and moral degradation from outside.
All tasks of the special military operation will certainly be solved. And the key to this is the courage and heroism of our soldiers, the consolidation of Russian society, whose support gives strength and confidence to the Russian army and navy, a deep understanding of the rightness and historical justice of our cause – building and strengthening a strong sovereign power, Russia…….
……Russia – despite the fact that our Western, so to speak, friends literally dream about it – will never follow the path of self-isolation and autarky. Moreover, we are expanding and will continue to expand interaction with everyone who is interested in this, who wants to work with us. There are many, I won’t list them. This is the vast majority of people on earth. Now I will not list all these countries, everyone knows about it.
I won’t say anything new if I remind you that everyone who wants to continue working and working with Russia is subjected to open pressure from the United States and Europe, sometimes even reaching direct threats. However, such blackmail means little when it comes to countries headed by real leaders who clearly understand where others are and where national, their own interests, the interests of their peoples……..
……Dear friends!
The speed and scale of changes in the global economy, finance, and international relations is increasing. The shift from globalization to a multipolar growth model is becoming increasingly clear. Undoubtedly, the formation and birth of a new world order is a difficult process. We will still face many challenges, and risks, and factors that are even difficult to predict and predict today.
But it is obvious that it is the strong, sovereign states that will set the rules for the maintenance of the new world order – those who do not move along the trajectory already outlined by someone. Only strong states and sovereigns can have their say in this world order that is being born again, or are doomed to become or remain a disenfranchised colony.
It is necessary to strive to move forward, change, feel the breath of the times and show national will and determination for this. Russia is entering the coming era as a powerful sovereign country. We will definitely use the new colossal opportunities that time opens up for us, and we will become even stronger.
Thank you for your attention. [END]

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Jun 17 2022 16:41 utc | 312

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 17 2022 11:52 utc | 237
I had not seen that Churchill quote before.
Interesting in the context of his own political support for the Zionist homeland cause. It supports my theory that the intent of the Brits in signing the 1917 Balfour Declaration was that they would leave the UK and not interfere in their domestic finance and politics any further. We know how that worked out.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 17 2022 16:53 utc | 313

Now word is coming in of a so-called “ blaxit “ among the Biden regime WH staff. The staffers are saying that there is no way forward for them, no mentoring, no opportunities for advancement. What a bunch of ingrates. These people don’t know what hard work is and how long it takes to get ahead. They expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter like all the “ black fantasy” commercials on Marxist tv.

Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 17 2022 17:00 utc | 314

WEF: “…you will own nothing and be happy”
Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 17 2022 14:59 utc | 285
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Oddly enough, that sounds a lot like Christianity (tho not western curchianity). Barbara Kingsolver(?) once said, given an either/or choice, she’d rather be a socialist than a Christian. Socialists at least get to keep some of their own stuff.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 17 2022 17:10 utc | 315

313

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 17 2022 17:11 utc | 316

313 churchill was always short of money
years after those comments he got taken over by a collection of khazar zionist bankers called the focus group.
they gave him all the money he ever needed and he spent the lot on port,sherry,whiskey fine wines and young boys and old etonian queers.
nesta webster is mentioned in that quote she wrote some interesting books clearly churchill was reading her books in the earlier years.

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 17 2022 17:21 utc | 317

Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Jun 17 2022 16:41 utc | 312
It was nice to hear the discussion afterwards, that is Margerita Simonyan asked the questions, Putin and Tokajev replied. They were not pointed questions. Quite interesting answers.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 17 2022 17:29 utc | 318

It doesn’t really matter, if the Ukraine joins the EU, that is what’ll be left of the Ukraine, but what the use that Ukraine to the EU is the question, without much to offer to the EU.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 17 2022 17:37 utc | 319

Oh, BoJo had visited ZE after the Three Stooges +1….to give Ze a book Queen Of Our Times: The Life Of Elizabeth II…descendent of the pirate family…

Posted by: ostro | Jun 17 2022 17:42 utc | 320

Posted by: TomD | Jun 17 2022 12:36 utc | 252
Oh, it shows the home page (ditto my site) but no actual stories. I just used williambowles.info and moonofalabama.org.
Ecosia and DuckDuckGo both showed actual stories from both sites using the same search term (there are over 27,000 stories on my site). If I enter a search term like ukraine, it won’t return any site that doesn’t support the status quo.

Posted by: Barofsky | Jun 17 2022 17:52 utc | 321

Posted by: TomD | Jun 17 2022 12:36 utc | 252
Tom, at exactly the same time as Russia’s SMO started, in March 2022, so too, visits to my site declined from 1500+- a day, to a couple of hundred and I suspect they’re all from people who subscribe via one method or another. I carry a lot of stories on the conflict inc. MoA’s contributions. There’s blanket censorship operating in Google’s ‘search’ engine of pretty much all independent media.

Posted by: Barofsky | Jun 17 2022 18:21 utc | 322

🇷🇺⚡️About Putin’s speech.
1. The break with the West is irreversible and final. No pressure from the West will change that.
2. Russia has regained its sovereignty and will not give it back to anyone. Strengthening political and economic sovereignty are top priorities.
3. The old world is collapsing and the era of American dominance is over. Now a new world is being formed.
4. Despite all the support from the West for Ukraine, the operation in Ukraine will continue until all the goals are achieved.
5. Economically, Russia will not close – the emphasis will be on domestic economic development and the reorientation of trade to countries independent of the US.
6. The EU is no longer seen as a subjective player – solely as a collection of American vassals devoid of military-political subjectivity.
7. Big business is once again offered to make a choice – either “nationalization” in Russia, or deprivation of assets in the West.
In general, the main leitmotif of the entire speech is that the ship is on the same course, there will be no turning back. Those who are still waiting or are afraid of the upcoming changes in Russia and in the world are once again offered to make a choice – with whom they are.
https://t.me/intelslava/31423

Posted by: Barofsky | Jun 17 2022 18:34 utc | 323

@Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 17 2022 15:32 utc | 299
You really have no clue about the terms that you using, there is no point in engaging with you until you actually properly educate yourself on what these terms actually mean.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 17 2022 18:42 utc | 324

Roger@324
Terminology in comments
Well you must be one of those dictionary and das kapital hugging zealots. You all are just hiding behind words and not facing the truth that your precious, sacred ideology is underpinning these major destructive leftist movements today. Cultural Marxism and technocracy are 2 current and widely used terms so get over it and come out from under your rock. Maybe you should throw away or burn you das kapital? Why don’t you go to a Trump MAGA rally next time one comes your way. All are welcome!

Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 17 2022 19:55 utc | 325

Britain had another reason to support a Zionist colony in 1917-8. Jewish colonists would supply additional force to defend the Suez Canal, which the Turks had just attacked.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 17 2022 19:58 utc | 326

Argonthonios@283
“ you don’t know what communism is” WEF topic
Caught you! You have no idea what the WEF is and what they stand for. Go look it up. Here is their famous quote
“ in 2035 you will own nothing and be happy”
Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 17 2022 14:59 utc | 288
A cartload of rocks displays greater signs of intelligent activity.
“in 2035 you will own nothing and be happy” -> promotion of renting, leasing and subscription models over sales, within a capitalist, corporate framework.
This has as much to do with communism as the Pope with Mazdeism.
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Yes I know they want to be rentier oligarchs. The point is that they want the rest of society to live under a technocracy. Technocracy is communism by another name. They also want to use biotechnology and digital currency to enable a technological police state. They seem to be in control of all the western governments at this time. The Biden regime “ build back better” slogan was taken right from a WEF symposium.
Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 17 2022 15:32 utc | 299
Dude.
Where the f**k have you learned about communism? In Fallout?
Because not even Dr. Strangelove, this is one step away from General Ripper’s “precious bodily fluids”.
“Yes I know they [WEF] want to be rentier oligarchs.”
No, they don’t WANT to be – they ALREADY are. And both are sufficient reasons not to have anything to do with communism: communism seeks the abolition of rent-seeking and rentiers amongst many other things, so rentier oligarchs actual or potential would be SUICIDAL to promote it.
“The point is that they want the rest of society to live under a technocracy. Technocracy is communism by another name.”
No, it is not the same, for f**k’s sake. Technocracy is a style of governance, not a fully developed ideology; and not privative of communism by any means.
“They also want to use biotechnology and digital currency to enable a technological police state.”
Western liberal democracies are already deep in this shit. For a second time – it’s not “they want to” – it’s they want to keep at it.
They seem to be in control of all the western governments at this time. The Biden regime “ build back better” slogan was taken right from a WEF symposium.
Further proving my point that it has jacks**t to do with communism.
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Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 17 2022 19:55 utc | 325
Let’s keep on rolling, baby.
Well you must be one of those dictionary and das kapital hugging zealots.
Seethe, honey, seethe.
You all are just hiding behind words
Nice attempt at projection. We’re sticking to historically settled definitions instead of trying to redefine them to cover for ignorance and suit our momentary needs. They’re also widely recognized internationally instead of being contingent on the americanist power struggle du jour.
What you’re saying is some “international rules-based order”-gauge Gringo BS.
“and not facing the truth that your precious, sacred ideology is underpinning these major destructive leftist movements today.”
These aren’t leftist in any meaningful sense except that there are many more things even more to the right. This is the extreme rightwards skewing of the Overton Window in motion, to the point of quixotic delusion.
“Cultural Marxism blah blah blah I’m very american and can’t tell shit from whipped chocolate”
Cultural Marxism is neither “cultural” nor “marxism”. This is an american right-wing media boogeyman that doesn’t withstand the most superficial of scrutinies. I already schooled some other of your clones last week, I give you the same choice:
-We can do this the easy and quick way where you drop this fantastical term at once.
-We can do this the hard and long way where you repeatedly fail to characterize it as marxist.
I’m keen on both, so knock yourself out.
“Maybe you should throw away or burn you das kapital? Why don’t you go to a Trump MAGA rally next time one comes your way. All are welcome!”
PFFFAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Seethe. Cope. Troll.
You’re making as much sense as saying the Vatican entrenchment through catholic countries is a manifestation of Sunni theology.
That is, not at all.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 17 2022 21:24 utc | 327

It feels like thoughtful adults holding a coffee klatsch in the living room as screaming children run through to and fro from the back and front yards. 🙂 I don’t think I would change a thing. Seem when we age we look back on such moments more fondly.

Posted by: JR whenDallasdreamt | Jun 17 2022 23:19 utc | 328

Arganthonios | Jun 17 2022 21:24 utc | 327
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Nice takedown. Bobo has swallowed “Cultural Marxism”, straight up as received wisdom, when it’s nothing but a nonsense Orwellian construct designed (quite effectively) to divide and rule. It’s a distraction from the class war already won by elites. I hope Bobolinski sticks around to learn something.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 17 2022 23:37 utc | 329

In my view, “takedowns” are counterproductive wrt exchange of ideas, info.
Unless of course, one’s participation is ego-driven; which unfortunately is too often the case online.
Bars are supposed to differ from gyms… or boxing clubs.

Posted by: crone | Jun 18 2022 0:05 utc | 330

Every week there’s some bonehead trying to make the same trite, fantastical, hackneyed failure of an argument.
Who knows, maybe they’re even the same one because they all have a carbon copy of the same bullshit “I can call shit whatever I want, because I’m American! D:<" attitude. They objectively and intentionally lower the level of political analysis. And when they get told that a microwave oven is not a "cultural washing machine", they start to cry. Of course I'm going to rake them over coals.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 18 2022 0:33 utc | 331

Arganthonios@327, I admire your patience, your making me laugh and I am learning about what Marxism is not (and a bit about what it is). That is a lot of information you passed on to me. Thanks
“cultural washing machine” lolololol

Posted by: Foxbat | Jun 18 2022 0:49 utc | 332

aquileia@309
“…How does it “clear the Nazis of any blame” if (and that is an if) both sides, Nazis and Soviets, were planning to attack each other?…”
It clears the Nazis of blame because, no ‘if’ about it, the Red Army was not planning to attack the Germans
“And frankly, you’re a moron for calling me a Nazi apologist for that…”
But that is precisely what you are doing: inventing a Soviet plan to attack Germany and concluding that the Soviet side was equally as culpable as the Nazis, who actually did attack. A clear apology for the Nazis who, in your account, were merely pre-empting a Soviet attack. I’d be a moron not to call you an apologist for Hitler.
“Are you the kind of person who calls people Putin apologists for pointing out a war had been going on in Ukraine for years before evil Putin ordered his heinous attack?..”
No, I’m one of the people who points out that Russia was left with no alternative but to come to the aid of the embattled, outnumbered and endangered inhabitants of New Russia.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 18 2022 1:53 utc | 333

“Britain had another reason to support a Zionist colony in 1917-8. Jewish colonists would supply additional force to defend the Suez Canal, which the Turks had just attacked.” Lysias@326
Surely the British had a much more reliable, battle hardened and disciplined ally in the Arabs, led by Hussein and very much opposed to the zionists.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 18 2022 2:01 utc | 334

“Anyway, have anyone here felt -45 centigrade?”
ostro@300
Anyone in Canada, with the possible exception of southern BC, has.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 18 2022 2:03 utc | 335

“Anyway, have anyone here felt -45 centigrade?”
ostro@300

Anyone in Canada, with the possible exception of southern BC, has.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 18 2022 2:03 utc | 335

As if to compensate, southern BC has experienced +45 degrees centigrade.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 18 2022 2:17 utc | 336

On the Balfour Declaration.
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“It supports my theory that the intent of the Brits in signing the 1917 Balfour Declaration was that they would leave the UK and not interfere in their domestic finance and politics any further. We know how that worked out.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 17 2022 16:53 utc | 313”
&
“Britain had another reason to support a Zionist colony in 1917-8. Jewish colonists would supply additional force to defend the Suez Canal, which the Turks had just attacked.
Posted by: Lysias | Jun 17 2022 19:58 utc | 326”
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There appears to be some attempt of revisionism going on around here!
There were English Jewish servants of the British Empire. High in the military and civil service who resisted the concept of a post First War Palestine to be handed over to Zionist – NOT Jewish peoples – interests.
They were sidelined in the midst of WW1 and whilst away the shoddy ‘contract’ was pushed through and instantly publicised.
There are enough minutes of the Cabinet meetings which proves that. There are plenty of articles and books even if not easy to find. But also not too hard.
The True British Imperialists who thought they were working for that imperial dream for Queen and Country since Victorian era -an ‘Empress’ born from the works of the East India Companies let us not forget – most never realised there were higher powers behind the throne. Same with other ‘nation states’ – another invention.
The War in Europe was planned a decade before, as were the rail networks, the mincing machines of trench warfare and machine guns and artillery; plantations of mustard – designed to cull the proles who were always in the verge of rising and removing their chains and status as ragged trousered philanthropists – working for free as slaves for the slave owners and their masters all their lives whilst they and their families lived in deadly poverty. . Forced to live hand to mouth and rented out of all their wealth and income; remember universal suffrage was still a dream that has had to be won. Whatever democracy that was won has been watered down since with perverse systems of democracy and elections etc.
The ‘Great’ war was elongated and the potus and Fed held back with money and US boots on the grounds in great numbers until the ‘Deal’ was done – a contract written and signed and INSTANTLY published in the ‘newspapers of record’
The Balfour Declaration.
Sykes – Piqot was how it was all parcelled up.
The moment that happened the First World War was brought to an end with an expectation that the well funded Bolsheviks would be able to hand Russia over to the funders and the control of the Levant via the Palestine would be ensured and used as the fulcrum between continents for centuries to come to retain and deepen the hold over the world , its peoples and resources.
Plenty of US troops were brought to Europe, but not to fight ‘Communism’ since that was invented and funded by the famous Money families. It was to ensure the consolidation of the various European Empires and lands across the world under the new world order under the Stars and Stripes and easier controlled heads of states. The other reason was to convince these collapsing European to take on the debts by the newly minted World Banks.
Follow the Money.
The seven sisters took the world stage and the Middle East Sheikdoms were set up and run from the ‘West’ on the back of the Muslim Brotherhood nurtured under Roosevelt…and SO IT WENT.
The Money by the way also considered Uganda and even the current nazistan lands as the ‘base’ – but they thought they would have it all anyway. With the fattened ‘borderlands’ falling into their hands in due course as planned – curiously fattened by Lenin first! Why?? In the midst of a revolution why did the communists start to enlarge the Ukraine???
Anyway back to why Palestine was chosen?
It had narrative value of some biblical god promised land that could be used.
The religious Jewish peoples around the world really had no such plans, they were as much pawns in the games of what was constructed as Zionism. As they later were to provide a populace of non semetic peoples, masquerading as semites, that would occupy the crucial landscape long controlled by the Brits and French. We still have our sticky fingers all over it as the pound shop Napoleon and Winnie the poo keep being sent to use the historical narratives with their fellow new puppet Ellie in the Sky – Coke and cock fiends that they are. Whilst the ordinary populations are blinded by racism against all things Russian . SO IT GOES.
The independent study of history and Money – not the received pop history through controlled academia, news media and the propaganda entertainment and culture industries, clearly shows the truth through all the obfuscation. Obfuscation which is still in progress.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 18 2022 7:44 utc | 337

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“Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 17 2022 17:21 utc | 317
On the great turd 💩 Winnie.
Do you know who winnies mom and dad were? And how he was nurtured? As all psychopath CEO’s of Money have been for centuries?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 18 2022 7:49 utc | 338

but not to fight ‘Communism’ since that was invented and funded by the famous Money families.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 18 2022 7:44 utc | 337
Sure, buddy, sure.
And the Pope teaches Islamic Doctrine, of course.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 18 2022 9:18 utc | 339

You really have no clue about the terms that you using, there is no point in engaging with you until you actually properly educate yourself on what these terms actually mean.
Posted by: Roger | Jun 17 2022 18:42 utc | 324
heh, he’s ad adherent of the Humpty Dumpty theory of language.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 18 2022 9:35 utc | 340

…most never realised there were higher powers behind the throne.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 18 2022 7:44 utc | 337
Whoeee! Wonder if John Cleary would like to take the stand.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 18 2022 12:18 utc | 341

I see that Boris Johnson says that Ukraine will win. Does he really think that at the end of this conflict Ukraine will control Crimea and the whole Black Sea coast? Or does he count losing a fair chunk of the country as a ‘win’? Maybe he should put a uniform on and go and fight on the front line, if he’s that confident.

Posted by: D J G | Jun 18 2022 17:37 utc | 342