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June 16, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-88
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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The Fascist-Zionist-Capitalist Marionette government resistance is weakening, all of Ukraine will be called back into the bosom of Mother Russia within weeks! Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Jun 16 2022 12:40 utc | 1 from Military dot com
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 13:15 utc | 2 then, perhaps, all media will turn to China’s SMO declaration, announced by China’s leader: Posted by: ERing46Z | Jun 16 2022 13:15 utc | 3 Talk about a boomerang. Gas to Europe gets progressively shut down due to maintenance on compressors that is blocked by Anglo European sanctions. Euro economy goes down, the US economy goes down. Deutsche bank goes down, the US banks will go down. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2022 13:18 utc | 4 “The Fascist-Zionist-Capitalist Marionette government resistance is weakening, all of Ukraine will be called back into the bosom of Mother Russia within weeks!” Posted by: Sailing by | Jun 16 2022 13:20 utc | 5 Modern war is about logistics, and for that an economy is required. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2022 13:29 utc | 6 Ok so you went to kill the evil Russians because you are on the side of the Good and the Righteous whether on Afghan safari or mucking about in Iraq. Now you are a sorry SOB languishing in a DPR holding tank. What did you expect? Did you really believe those myths of invincibility? Did you swallow whole the fairy tale of Inept Russian Forces?! Well now you know the dangers of believing your own propaganda, or maybe it was designed for your kind in the first place…? No matter, your fate will not be effected either way by these fibs. Posted by: Chevrus | Jun 16 2022 13:32 utc | 7 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | Jun 16 2022 13:36 utc | 8 I deeply apologize to MoA and mr. Andrei Martyanov for spreading the ‘hear-say’ on possible Russian mobilisation and China goes SMO on Taiwan, soon. Posted by: whirlX | Jun 16 2022 14:07 utc | 9 from CNBC
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 14:08 utc | 10 Let them LIE! Posted by: Dean Oneil | Jun 16 2022 14:14 utc | 11 from CATO Institute, 2020:
Looks like war is bad for the economy! And: “It’s the economy, stupid.” (Bill Clinton’s slogan in 1992) Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 14:17 utc | 12 So the West is tiring of the game they started, but Russia isn’t. It must play out to the end. Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 14:36 utc | 13 roland was a warrior Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 16 2022 14:43 utc | 14 Greetings from Moscow! I wrote this today. Posted by: Ian Kummer | Jun 16 2022 14:46 utc | 15 US funding biolabs coincides with infections surge in Donbass, says Russian top brass Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jun 16 2022 14:47 utc | 16 MOSCOW, June 16./TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry has found insufficient the explanations provided by the United States on biological activities in Ukraine, since they do not give answers to a number of important questions, Chief of Russia’s Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops Igor Kirillov told a briefing on Thursday. Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Jun 16 2022 14:57 utc | 17 @ the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 14:36 utc | 13 Posted by: whirlX | Jun 16 2022 14:57 utc | 18 Civilians who have escaped from the Azot plant have revealed that the plant is full of foreign mercenaries, it sounds as though its another Azovstal in the making. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 16 2022 14:57 utc | 19 We shall see tomorrow regarding the rumours I guess. Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 16 2022 15:06 utc | 20 @ norman wisdom | Jun 16 2022 14:43 utc | 14 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 15:06 utc | 21 @Republicofscotland | Jun 16 2022 14:57 utc | 19 Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 15:06 utc | 22 Today is grandstanding day. Macron and co. want to make Ukraine an EU candidate. Ukrainian officials still talking about capturing Crimea. The clown show continues. Posted by: rockstar | Jun 16 2022 15:15 utc | 23 The Pentagon “Fact Sheet on WMD Threat Reduction Efforts with Ukraine, Russia and Other Former Soviet Union Countries” is here Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 15:15 utc | 24 Donetsk shelling of civilian areas by UAF: Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 16 2022 15:23 utc | 25 Dean Oneil | Jun 16 2022 14:14 utc | 11; Posted by: DutchZ | Jun 16 2022 15:30 utc | 26 @ whirlX | Jun 16 2022 14:07 utc | 9 Posted by: james | Jun 16 2022 15:42 utc | 27 rockstar@22 Posted by: bevin | Jun 16 2022 15:44 utc | 28 Posted by: bevin | Jun 16 2022 15:44 utc | 27 Posted by: TomD | Jun 16 2022 15:57 utc | 29 That ‘Fact’ sheet @23 would be funny, but way too many people think it is true for it to be funny. ‘Fact’ should be put in quotes on that one. Posted by: horatio | Jun 16 2022 16:00 utc | 30 What I don’t get is that the European War leaders, Scholz, Macron and Draghi (I’ve no idea who the 4th,the tall tit pictured to Zelensky’s far left is), who signed off on WMD’s to Ukraine were not targeted with a precision missile strike in Kiev. Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 16 2022 16:04 utc | 31 https://youtu.be/_TQJJRzkdaw Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 16:08 utc | 32 Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 16 2022 16:04 utc | 30 Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 16:12 utc | 33 Museum honoring the battle for Kiev in 1943: Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 16:13 utc | 34 Ukraine will capitulate in autumn, the probabilities are high. Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 16:15 utc | 35 Part of yesterday’s briefing by Zakharova’s now translated into English, although it currently lacks her take-down of the CNN presstitute I noted yesterday. Hopefully, the transcript will be completed by 5pm Pacific today. From RT on EU leaders visit to Kiev: Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 16:41 utc | 37 Posted by: bevin | Jun 16 2022 15:44 utc | 27 Posted by: malamatias | Jun 16 2022 16:41 utc | 38 Today, Lavrov gave TASS a short interview, the transcript for now is Russian. Here’s the last Q&A which I hope will curtail speculation on this one issue:
@32 ostro Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 16 2022 17:03 utc | 40 Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 16 2022 16:45 utc | 38 Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2022 17:05 utc | 41 @ Et Tu | Jun 16 2022 15:23 utc | 24 Posted by: MarkU | Jun 16 2022 17:21 utc | 42 A small excerpt here but seems the BBC did not have the time to at least subtitle it. Lavrov at its best, he says that Johnson and Truss want to put Russia on her knees, so like Nike, just do it is his answer ))) Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2022 17:38 utc | 43 The anglos so concerned about their mercenaries, with all types of legal arguments. How quickly we forget Guantanamo, the orange suits, illegal combatants and days on end with Metallica playing on thousands of watts equipment for the delight of the “illegal combatants” Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2022 17:43 utc | 44 In response to whirlX@18, Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 16 2022 17:43 utc | 45 @ WTFUD | Jun 16 2022 16:04 utc | 30 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 17:46 utc | 46 Some headlines today, Miller -Gazprom boss- says that NS2 is ready to pump it, Draghi says that the technical reasons for the diminution of gas flows thru NS1 are suspicious -no kidding- and the one that breaks them all, Caca-Cola is leaving Russia, what could be better for their health, even though some house wife might complain how is she going to unclog the garburator. Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2022 17:56 utc | 47 I share many themes of discussion about west vs russia/global south that has been represented in this forum. The participants of discussion have expressed/trusted/expected//wished/hoped for a positive change to materialise from Ukraine SMO that would potentially change the tide in global geopolitics from unipolar to true multipolarity (for the benefit of people/mankind?)) Posted by: Tigger | Jun 16 2022 18:00 utc | 48 Here it is, Lavrov BBC. Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2022 18:09 utc | 49 The mobilization rumor came from ISW. They translated a post that was actually about how someone could volunteer. And the list was explanations of each option, pros and cons. For example, in the Wagner section it said they will take people with misdemeanor type criminal offenses while the Russian army will not accept anyone with any criminal history. Posted by: Lex | Jun 16 2022 18:24 utc | 50 @Posted by: Paco | Jun 16 2022 17:43 utc | 43 Posted by: Tigger | Jun 16 2022 18:00 utc | 47 Posted by: Kartoschka | Jun 16 2022 18:27 utc | 52 https://youtu.be/-D7XPU6sAo8 Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 18:28 utc | 53 @44 Skiffer, and others Re: “mobilization” rumor Posted by: ptb | Jun 16 2022 18:34 utc | 54 Lets take a moment to share views to why the power structures of post Ukraine conflict could stay in service of the people. I mean, its the people of Ukraine and Russia who are paying dearly for this chance. Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 18:34 utc | 55 @49 Lex Posted by: ptb | Jun 16 2022 18:35 utc | 56 @Tigger | Jun 16 2022 18:00 utc | 47 Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 18:38 utc | 57 Sergei Lavrov gives an interview to the BBC: Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 18:38 utc | 58 pessimist (21) Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 16 2022 18:39 utc | 59 Ukraine’s finance minister, according to RT, say Ukraine needs an additional $5b a month to sustain government services – donations accepted. Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 18:53 utc | 60 Down South | 8 Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Jun 16 2022 18:57 utc | 61 General Austin is in Brussels, and attended a press conference.
. . .you know . . .’cuz he doesn’t have a clue. This is the reason for the US law that the SecDef must be a civilian. Generals have no background in answering questions. Austin’s deputy ain’t too bright either, has a PhD in political science. . .”Doctor” Hicks. Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 19:00 utc | 62 … I suspect even were the RF to hold high value prisoners they would not broadcast this fact while continuing to obtain information from them and at the same time creating uncertainty in the minds of NATO commands. Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 16 2022 19:09 utc | 63 Clair Finkelstein creator of the NON-PROFIT “Center of ethics and rule of law”. Sure she’s right on it trying to paint these two CIA dorks as legitimate “volunteers”. More like musketeers or MERCENARIES eligble for duty as firing squad targets. Posted by: Stritchplatte | Jun 16 2022 19:09 utc | 64 . . from CNN Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 16 2022 19:10 utc | 65 Posted by: Tigger | Jun 16 2022 18:00 utc | 47 Posted by: Andrew Celestina | Jun 16 2022 19:15 utc | 66 @ Skiffer | Jun 16 2022 17:43 utc | 44 Posted by: whirlX | Jun 16 2022 19:15 utc | 67 The two American mercenaries capture was portrayed by some Podcaster whose name escapes me as some similar last scene in “Saving private Ryan” type moment as these two blew up Russian tanks and killed many Russians before being captured. Posted by: Lou Cypher | Jun 16 2022 19:27 utc | 68 Kartoschka @51 This is the reason for the US law that the SecDef must be a civilian. Generals have no background in answering questions. Posted by: David Levin | Jun 16 2022 19:37 utc | 70 RE: Death to mercenaries Posted by: Steve | Jun 16 2022 19:40 utc | 71 Have look at Odessa on 16.06.2022, and war is supposed to around the corner…https://youtu.be/Fs1yOJNfecs Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 19:42 utc | 72 Why do you believe any of this would be better than any time before? Posted by: Pagan | Jun 16 2022 19:51 utc | 73 Mariupol: pop 434k, approx urban area 117sqkm. Odessa: pop 1.0m, approx urban area 283 sqkm. Kharkov: pop 1.42m, approx urban area 278 sqkm. Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 19:51 utc | 74 All the DOD biolabs are under the supervision of the Army Institute of Research, whose headquarters are in the Forest Glen Annex, Fort Detrick, in Silver Spring MD right outside D.C., in the Daniel K. Inouye Building, which is less than a mile from where I live. The biolab program is described at length in Kees van der Pijl’s book “States of Exception”. Posted by: Lysias | Jun 16 2022 19:52 utc | 75 Pessimist @56 Posted by: Tigger | Jun 16 2022 19:55 utc | 76 @ Posted by: MarkU | Jun 16 2022 17:21 utc | 41 Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 16 2022 20:00 utc | 77 I very much doubt if an NCO in the Chemical Corps would have been involved in blowing up tanks. His work was much more likely connected with the biolabs, at least one of which we know is in Kharkov. Posted by: Lysias | Jun 16 2022 20:03 utc | 78 Article on Russian Logistics from Naked Capitalism – https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/06/railroads-logistics-and-war-us-versus-russian-style.html Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 16 2022 20:06 utc | 79 The admissions that sanctions are backfiring slowly creeping into the mainstream narrative. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2022 20:20 utc | 80 Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 16 2022 20:00 utc | 76 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2022 20:24 utc | 81 Mariupol, 16.06.2022, school children, school, water transport, and so on… https://youtu.be/oxPGHCaxsAc Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 20:27 utc | 82
I have not seen any reports of Canadians killed or captured in Ukraine. Cadieu said he is coming home to co-operate with the investigation into his alleged sexual misconduct, almost 30 years ago.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 16 2022 20:28 utc | 83 So at all and in general: Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Jun 16 2022 20:31 utc | 84 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 16 2022 20:28 utc | 82 Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 20:36 utc | 85 I don’t think I’ve seen this posted yet.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 16 2022 20:38 utc | 86 @83 SW Posted by: ptb | Jun 16 2022 20:43 utc | 87 Southfront reported that a huge fire broke out in Russians largest oil gas field Posted by: Petr | Jun 16 2022 20:46 utc | 88 In response to whirlX@66, Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 16 2022 20:47 utc | 89 Pagan @72 Posted by: Tigger | Jun 16 2022 20:51 utc | 90 For those who question reason for hope should Russia and China succeed in righting some part of what is wrong with the world (a daunting task to be sure) let us not expect too much of their leadership, but only hope that when they do succeed in this limited operation they will do so in such a way that it will inspire others who might be concerned about the future of their immediate families and their prospects (if not for themselves), to make the modicum of effort that humans have the ability to make as a community in behalf of those who will follow after. Many of us feel helpless; it is up to those who can and know how to lead to do so. That is what Putin and Xi have done. What we can do is follow and support our own true leaders as best we can. And I do believe the support is there, waiting. As it was when we thought Obama was the one — even more since frustrated then — there is huge potential crying to be put to use. Posted by: juliania | Jun 16 2022 20:52 utc | 91 @SW (also Berlin) | Jun 16 2022 20:31 utc | 83 Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 16 2022 20:52 utc | 92 !-!-!-!-! Posted by: Arioch | Jun 16 2022 20:55 utc | 93 So what part of projection and ours you didn’t get? Posted by: Kartoschka | Jun 16 2022 20:59 utc | 94 Posted by: Tigger | Jun 16 2022 20:51 utc | 89 Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 21:02 utc | 95 Full English version of Russia MoD’s analysis of US bio weapons program in Ukraine Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 16 2022 21:02 utc | 96 From Pepe Escobar’s Telegram channel… A comment from Medvedev…
Also from Pepe’s Telegram channel…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 16 2022 21:04 utc | 97 Posted by: Tigger | Jun 16 2022 20:51 utc | 89 Posted by: ostro | Jun 16 2022 21:04 utc | 98 #14 Posted by: Marjorie | Jun 16 2022 21:05 utc | 99 “As US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin reported on Wednesday, Kyiv has now received enough qualified equipment for twelve artillery battalions. About 237 main battle tanks, 300 armored personnel carriers and 1,600 air defense systems were delivered; With 97,000 anti-tank weapons, more anti-tank weapons were made available to the Ukrainian armed forces than there are currently tanks in the world.[2] Austin pointed to additional planned arms exports; Germany, for example, WILL hand over several multiple rocket launchers and guided missiles to Kyiv. Further deliveries are being prepared. In practice, Ukraine’s rearmament is coordinated via a specially set up cell in the Patch Barracks in Stuttgart-Vaihingen, where the European headquarters of the US armed forces is located. According to a BBC report, military personnel from 26 countries are involved.” Posted by: njet | Jun 16 2022 21:11 utc | 100 |
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