Just noticing the headlines of outrage in the British tabloids re: the 2 British nationals just having received the death penalty for operating as mercenaries in Ukraine. I seem to recall that one of them had apparently been granted Ukrainian citizenship, if that matters. I wonder if there will be “Falklands moment” of collective outrage that unites the nation despite everything kinda going to shit. I suppose they could send a few challengers in to bust them out of jail, Basra style or better right the Light Brigade! Charge?

Posted by: Chevrus | Jun 10 2022 13:52 utc | 3

Even in the Daily Mail comments, there wasn’t a lot of support for Aslin and the other one. I think a growing number of Brits are not happy with this war.

Posted by: NoOneYouKnow | Jun 10 2022 14:40 utc | 5

the brits ought to have an interest in what the reality is, as opposed to the ”military grade novichoked bullshit” they are fed regularly.. it appears they don’t…

Posted by: james | Jun 10 2022 14:46 utc | 7

I was gonna go with The Mighty Bosh but they fell victim to cancel culture….ah well.

Posted by: Chevrus | Jun 10 2022 14:52 utc | 9

Ooops I dropped an ‘O’….that’s Boosh!
And for the record I also doubt that the Britzies re going to do anything especially without their Amerikanski body armor on, but i thought it a lively notion if only for the sake of comedy. As is often said: The dog barks and the caravan rolls on….

Posted by: Chevrus | Jun 10 2022 14:55 utc | 11

yawn… must be time for more sanctions… or maybe some other poodle would like to join nato??

Posted by: james | Jun 10 2022 15:01 utc | 13

moaobserver – “Even a full liberation of the DPR & LPR won’t secure Donetsk from Ukrainian shelling bc of long-range weapon systems”
This is something that has puzzled me for some time. So, I have a few questions.
What long-range weapons systems are being referred to, and what are their ranges?
Why can’t the Russians identify the launch sites of the long-range weapons, via drones or satellites, and take them out?

Posted by: Saggy | Jun 10 2022 15:02 utc | 15

This from Tass via Yandex machine translation:

MOSCOW, June 10. /tass/. Up to 70 thousand Ukrainian military personnel may be in Slavyansk and its surrounding cities, said Deputy Minister of Information of the DPR Artem Olkhin on the air of the TV channel “Russia-1” on Friday.
“It is within Slavyansk itself that it is not very correct to count. If we look at the map of the Donbass, look to the north, there is one city flowing into another, that is, from Avdiivka to Slavyansk, almost one urban agglomeration. And there is a total grouping of troops (APU-approx. TASS), different experts call it differently, but 60-70 thousand exactly, ” Olkhin said.
He added that there are no street battles in Slavyansk itself, but aviation is working in the sky over the city, and artillery duels are underway.

Posted by: pasha | Jun 10 2022 15:13 utc | 17

Another “Azovstal” happening in Severodonetsk

AZ OSINT
@AZmilitary1
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‼️JUST IN‼️
‼️Ukrainian militants at the Azot plant in Severodonetsk are trying to make contact, all ways for their withdrawal are cut off — LNR Ambassador to the Russian Federation
He also said that civilians may be at the plant, their exact number is still unknown‼️

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2022 15:17 utc | 19

are these british politicians concerned about assange?? make that a headline and help get the brits heads out from their asses… impossible, but worth a try…

Posted by: james | Jun 10 2022 15:20 utc | 21

From IntelSlava (they have resumed normal posting)

🇷🇺🇺🇦 The British Independent, citing an intelligence report, provides great analytics on the balance of Russian and Ukrainian forces.
▪️Ukrainian troops are 20 times inferior to Russian troops in artillery, 40 times in ammunition, and 12 times in range.
▪️The Ukrainian side has almost completely run out of missiles for the Smerch and Uragan MLRS.
▪️Ukraine still has the Grad MLRS and howitzers that hit a maximum of 20-30 km.
▪️ Anti-tank Javelins and NLAW were very useful in the first phase of the war, they are useful now, but they cannot hit the enemy’s long-range artillery.
▪️The Russians can hit the concentrations of Ukrainian troops with rockets from a distance of many tens and even hundreds of kilometers. There is a situation of “absolute inequality on the battlefield, not to mention the complete dominance of enemy aircraft in the air.” It is rare to shoot down Russian planes and helicopters.
▪️”Heavy fighting” has a serious demoralizing effect on Ukrainian troops, in connection with which the number of cases of desertion among Ukrainian soldiers is growing.
▪️The Russians are well aware that the number of powerful weapons sent by Western countries is still quite small, and it reaches the front slowly. So they try to use their (overwhelming) advantage while it lasts.
▪️After a series of exchanges, Ukraine has 550 captured Russians, while the Russians have more than 5,600 Ukrainians, and Moscow demands a 1:1 exchange. Note that according to the authorities of Russia and the LDNR, more than 7,000 people are in captivity.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2022 15:22 utc | 23

Not sure why anyone (not living in a cave) thinks a NATO force (80% American) wouldn’t immediately obliterate Putin’s 1970s-esque SMO, as it is now, on the ground. I’m sure, however, that Putin is not deluded about this. For whatever cloudy reasons, he is deliberately dragging out this SMO, which while it boosts Russian oil revenue and accelerates the West’s economic meltdown, it also relentlessly taunts NATO. And the West, if it is predictable about anything at all, loves to invent, and/or escalate wars in order to distract from its economic meltdowns. I doubt the impetus is much different for Russia in this case, either, but I digress. Does Putin want WW3? I can’t believe that. Is he playing “chicken” with the bumbling fools running the US Deep State? Maybe. Or maybe Putin really is desperate to keep NATO out of the Ukraine, as he has publicly stated, because from the military perspective of OPTEMPO, Ukraine is a giant speedway for ground forces. But if the admitted reason is the real reason, than maybe Russia’s military really is pathetically stuck in the 1970s. It clearly possesses modern tech, but likely not at the scale needed to sustain its use even during this Skirmish of the Potatoheads. He wouldn’t want to use it and run out of it, thus revealing to his enemies (NATO) that Russia has only a few minutes of formidable war power at the ready. Regardless, I have a ton more respect for Putin than I ever have before. It appears he is the only one standing up against the Vampires of the Great Reset, although looks can be deceiving (e.g., Donald Delano, “Warp Speed” Trump).

Posted by: Tom SteChatte | Jun 10 2022 15:23 utc | 25

“..British Government is not going to do anything other than shriek.”
Paul Greenwood@25
Yes, it is not as if these silly bastards were anything but ‘lower class’ is it? Now, if they had gone to Winchester…

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 15:35 utc | 27

The President has spoken.
[President of the CFR, Richard N. Haass]
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A Ukraine Strategy for the Long Haul
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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2022-06-10/ukraine-strategy-long-haul
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THE LONG VIEW
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The West thus needs a strategy for the long haul. Such a strategy would reflect an understanding that policy to date has largely succeeded
and that many of its features ought to be extended, but also that going forward, new elements will be required.
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“the United States and its European allies should consider providing Ukraine with enhanced means (most likely aircraft) to attack Russian naval vessels in the Black Sea.”
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“Ultimately, what is probably required to end the war is a change not in Washington but in Moscow. In all likelihood, given Putin’s deep investment in the war, it will require someone other than him to take steps that would end Russia’s pariah status, economic crisis, and military quagmire. The West should make clear that it is ready to reward a new Russian leader prepared to take such steps even as it keeps up the pressure on the current one”

Posted by: librul | Jun 10 2022 15:45 utc | 29

@ Down South | Jun 10 2022 15:17 utc | 18
Ukrainian militants at the Azot plant in Severodonetsk are trying to make contact, all ways for their withdrawal are cut off — LNR Ambassador to the Russian Federation – He also said that civilians may be at the plant, their exact number is still unknown
from SouthFront
800 Civilians Taken Hostage In Azot Plant In Severodonetsk – Report
On June 8, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova warned about the plans of the Ukrainian military to carry out another provocation in the city of Severodonetsk. Kiev’s forces are mining the containers with toxic chemicals at the Azot plant.

“According to Kiev’s plan, the explosion of tanks with more than 100 tons of saltpeter and nitric acid should delay the advance of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the republics of Donbass. Russia is supposed to be blamed for the man—made disaster, as always,” Zakharova said at a briefing. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2022 15:49 utc | 31

Would anyone know where I can find reasonably credible statistics on the number of POWs held by Russia vs. Ukraine?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2022 16:02 utc | 33

“Ultimately, what is probably required to end the war is a change not in Washington but in Moscow. In all likelihood, given Putin’s deep investment in the war, it will require someone other than him to take steps that would end Russia’s pariah status, economic crisis, and military quagmire. The West should make clear that it is ready to reward a new Russian leader prepared to take such steps even as it keeps up the pressure on the current one”
I’ve said here before that the eternal strategy of the globally orientated sociopaths – aka the “rules-based international order” – is to recruit their fellow sociopaths to stab their countrymen in the back and so become members of the “big gang”.
Here you see it stated openly.
They mean Kudrin and a few of his associates.
Kudrin is an obvious Eurocrat and “one of them”. As Lenin said, he should be watched with both eyes. There will be plenty more like him.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 10 2022 16:19 utc | 35

I think the three condemned men made an error when they petitioned Britain for assistance. You can’t have it both ways. You’re Ukrainian or you’re not.
Further, they were captured in the DPR (correct me if I am wrong). Since no one except Russia recognizes the DPR, they’re not signatories to the Laws of War.
(Not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, but I have avoided prison time for sixty years. It hasn’t been all dumb luck.)
So if you’re in the DPR, you might want to check out their laws and how they might apply to you. (My opinion.) Since everyone pretends the DPR and LPR don’t exist, it would be kinda difficult for most western governments to come to your aid.

Posted by: Elizabeth Conley | Jun 10 2022 16:40 utc | 37

Hey now I wasn’t suggesting that the .Gov was going to do anything at all. I was merely reference it an event, and not asserting that the Basra event was sponsored by any party in particular. It’s informative to know that the breakout was initiated by their mates rather than a bunch of heartless bureaucrats a thousand miles away. The funny bit is all all the shrieking done by the side with the least amount leverage, the rest is just tragic.

Posted by: Chevrus | Jun 10 2022 16:45 utc | 39

Part two of the Covert Action series on the Ukrainian Nationalists. This isn’t just about Ukraine, indeed the connections between the OUN and Ukraine became very distant and faint over half a century. It was only after 1991 in the world that Yeltsin and Clinton made that they returned to any real strength. Ukrainian fascism didn’t come from Ukraine but from Austria, the United States and Canada.
“After the end of the Second World War, American intelligence immediately set about the work of rehabilitating the world’s fascists to fight the new war on Communism. From the transformation of the bloody “Devil of Showa” Nobusuke Kishi into the hand-picked Prime Minister of Japan, to Emil Augsburg, the architect of the Holocaust described as “Honest and idealist … enjoys good food and wine…unprejudiced mind…” by the CIA, it seems that Langley never met a fascist it couldn’t do business with.
“Such was the case with Yaroslav Stetsko and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). Stetsko spent the war in the shadow of Stepan Bandera but eventually Stetsko would far surpass his friend in terms of prominence. Before long, the monsters who had beaten Jews to death with hammers just years before became America’s favorite “freedom fighters” and took their business global.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/06/10/how-monsters-who-had-beaten-jews-to-death-with-hammers-in-1944-became-americas-favorite-freedom-fighters-in-1945-with-a-little-help-from-their-friends-at-cia/

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 16:56 utc | 41

Chevrus at #3. The only thing the MSM are capable of in the UK are lies, damn lies, fake news and faux outrage. Truss’s response was, as usual, utterly ridiculous and off point. Whilst I am completely against the death penalty, there can be no doubt that these 3 men were mercenaries. Aslin stated on his blog, just at the start of this conflict,that he was going to be ‘killing Russians’ in the Ukraine. Pinner, well, his story was too “off pat” for me. I think he actually might be there under some capacity for Military Intelligence. They went there to fight and kill civilians and Russians and did it. They made partial guilty pleas. They have been given full legal representation, have had access to international human rights organisations throughout and have been treated fairly. Mercenaries are not covered by the Geneva Convention and they knew that when they went there to fight. They are not POW’s as Britain, at least as far as I know, is not at War with the DPR. Also, they have omitted the fact that, Liz Truss, at the start of all of this, made clear statements, publicly and widely covered by the MSM in which she actively encouraged UK citizens to go to fight in the Ukraine and that they would be fully supported by the Govt to do so. They had a full and fair trial, were properly and fairly legally represented. However, there cannot now be any diplomacy in regard to the two British mercenaries as Truss and BoJo have completely blown that by being so insulting, petty and vitriolic towards Russia (and let’s not forget Bojo’s idiocy over the Skripal affair). Remember, these 3 men were captured by the DPR militia not the Russian Army and have been put on trial, accordingly, by the DPR legal system. I do believe that Aslin is heartily repentant but, as a mercenary he also fought in Syria (his YouTube name is Cossack Grundi I believe). He goes to these places to gratuitously kill people for money, end of. We have to get out of the habit in the UK of, when other Nation’s Legal Systems do not suit us, trashing them as illegal, rubbish or corrupt. They are none of these things and ours isn’t exactly a shining example of Justice (take a look at the Assange issue alone he has spent 12 years on Remand in a high security prison without having committed any crime whilst the UK Govt kow tow to the USA). These 3 men cannot and should not be Pardoned. However, there is a case for them being Sentenced to Life In Prison for their War Crimes. The people of the Donbass whose family, friends and relatives died, were tortured, or summarily executed by these types of Mercenaries, the UAF and AZOV deserve Justice too.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jun 10 2022 17:28 utc | 43

Western (Enlightenment) Values at work, in the True North Strong but not Free.
(Not strong really either, unless you call doing what the CIA tells you “strong”.)
“Resident of Mariupol Recalls What Ukrainian Nationalists Said About Local Children – Video”
(This channel can’t be displayed because it violated local laws.)
“Russian Forces Deliver Humanitarian Aid to Monastery in DPR Where Civilians Taking Refuge – Video”
(This channel can’t be displayed because it violated local laws.)
“Aftermath of Ukrainian Shelling of Makeevka in DPR – Video”
This channel can’t be displayed because it violated local laws.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 17:40 utc | 45

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2022/06/10/sovetchik/
British merc: Ukraine was the first time I met with artillery and MRLS.
Sorry? You was supposed to be a merc, a smoked, hard boiled war professional???

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 10 2022 17:54 utc | 47

In response to Tom SteChatte@24,

Not sure why anyone (not living in a cave) thinks a NATO force (80% American) wouldn’t immediately obliterate Putin’s 1970s-esque SMO, as it is now, on the ground.

Could you elaborate on how you think that would look like? Suppose NATO formally declares itself a party to the conflict tomorrow, presupposing that all necessary preparations for taking that decision have already somehow taken place covertly (at least from the general public, leaving the status of Russian intel-prep intentionally ambiguous), what would the operation look like on a basic timeline? What would be the main objectives and primary methods of achieving those objectives?
I personally don’t see how US+NATO forces, even if they were somehow fully mobilized to intervene in Ukraine (to their obvious detriment on other fronts), could put a dent in the Russian SMO without going for the strategic reserves in Russia proper. Any holding mission on Ukrainian territory would merely make Russian long-range systems more cost effective. NATO forces would at best be able to trickle up to the contact line in much the same fashion as the weapons shipments and, if the theater of war remains limited to Ukraine, they would in essence be fighting with both hands tied behind their backs against weapon systems well out of their reach.
The only way to militarily disable the Russian war machine would be to go after Russia itself and that’s a very different discussion. Even if all the stars align and Russia fails to mobilize, China remains on the sidelines, Russian nuclear deterrent remains dormant throughout and we’re left with strictly a land campaign, it would still by necessity amount to a prolonged campaign, on the territory of the largest nation on earth and hardly anything that could be described as immediate obliteration of one force by another.
In reality, the Russians would certainly go beyond mere defense and retaliate on targets outside of their territory with conventional weapons. China, among others, would not remain idle on the advent of WW3. Finally, in the event that a military resolution favorable to the continuation of Russian statehood is no longer attainable, the distinct possibility of total nuclear obliteration becomes a distinct possibility. It’s crucial to keep such nuances in mind when tempted into simplistic force comparison.
Arguably, if Russia could accomplish its military objectives in Ukraine with a slingshot and a mule, maybe they would restrict themselves to that, and NATO still wouldn’t be able to openly intervene to any great effect simply because escalation dominance in the region belongs to Russia.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 10 2022 18:15 utc | 49

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 10 2022 15:10 utc | 15
Every Western nation is suffering psychotic breakdowns Mark.
Hence all the moral panics on any subject you Care to mention.
Culture war’s, identy politics, viral outbreak.

Posted by: Jpc | Jun 10 2022 18:44 utc | 51

According to the Hal Turner show web site, the Germans will not be sending the Ukraine any more tanks. the reason is the Germans cannot build any new ones for their inventory-German Army. Why? They cannot buy any titanium? Why? Because Russia sells titanium – well not to the USA and EU or people sanctioning Russia.
Hal Turner said that there is no way that NATO-USA could fight or win on the battlefield against Russia because they cannot get titanium used in weapons, missiles, bombs, jets, tanks, etc. .

Posted by: Malko | Jun 10 2022 18:59 utc | 53

Tom SteChatte, 24:
> Not sure why anyone (not living in a cave) thinks a NATO force (80% American) wouldn’t immediately obliterate Putin’s 1970s-esque SMO, as it is now, on the ground.
Are you open to the possibility that Russia aren’t in a standard US “blow everyone and everything to tiny pieces” mode?

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 10 2022 19:20 utc | 55

lol when have the americans obliterated any enemy that could put up meaningful resistance in the past 70 years or so?
Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 10 2022 16:32 utc | 34
I am 74 and recall two glorious victories:
In Grenada we ran roughshod over 3 DOZEN college radicals and a Cuban construction crew.
In Panama we got all that drug money from the Banks.

Posted by: Rhinecto | Jun 10 2022 19:27 utc | 57

Regarding Russias objectives, might one not say that taking Mariupol meant some degree of de-nazification? I mean, quite a few AZOV battalion fighters have taken a beating …

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 10 2022 19:32 utc | 59

Malko @51
There is of course the slight possibility that west has already manufactured a few hundred jets,bombs tanks etc. that are needed. I understand that only materiel from west gets destroyed or used, but still, maybe something to take into account for worst possible scenarios Like if Russia can only field tanks from the sixties. No titanium needed,you understand 🙂

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 10 2022 19:40 utc | 61

Lex, 54:
> There really are people who believe that the US fields the greatest military in all of history, even after losing every one of its long string of wars since 1945.
Beware of the mighty US military that never fear trampling over ill equipped “armies”!

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 10 2022 19:45 utc | 63

@60 War buffs would certainly be interested in seeing a mixed-gender Marine unit take on a squad of Chechens.

Posted by: dh | Jun 10 2022 19:57 utc | 65

1970’s military operation? LMFAO! In response to the 1914 tactics Ukraine and their Nato handlers implemented? Seriously, the imperial establishment and their heralds are losing it…
Lets talk about some of these myths I see here about satellites and drones. There are some gross misunderstandings of these technologies being displayed on here. Russia makes great use of both but some here have exaggerated conceptions of the respective capabilities of these equipment and what they are capable of. You can not stop random shelling by the Ukies with either, any more than murica has been able to stop militias from shelling it’s bases in Iraq with rockets. Satellites can only give a snap shot of what is there when it passes overhead. Not useful to real time issues like shoot and scoot artillery. And while drones are good for tactical surveillance, their slow speed and limited line of sight make them problematic for the kind of always on guard defense some are imagining. You would need tens if not hundreds of thousands of drones up 24/7 to cover the area we are talking about. The west has no point of reference to understand what is happening here. The turkey shoot in Iraq has warped their already limited cognitive abilities.
Finally, this idea that the republics wont be safe from missile attack by just pushing the ukies out of their borders…. sigh…. again, it’s not 1914. It’s called airstrikes and cruise missile attacks. Look into it.

Posted by: nook | Jun 10 2022 19:59 utc | 67

Receiving a little attention here and there is, for me, the core reality of this SMO: who is right and who is wrong?
This is a spiritual inquiry, not a military or moral, much less a political or economic, inquiry.
Russia is winning this battle, and the war it illuminates, because she is right and Jewish-Anglican-Vatican atheists aka Fascists aka “combined West” are wrong.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | Jun 10 2022 20:04 utc | 69

FHTEX, 60:
> And the American reliance on the F-35 is very problematic, since it is a very slow aircraft and less maneuverable and, like the F-22, plagued with maintenance issues.
Norway upgraded from F-16 to F-35. Wish we were friends with the Russians instead; a flock of modern Sukhois would have been great.

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 10 2022 20:11 utc | 71

Americans are not serious people.
Posted by: Lex | Jun 10 2022 19:21 utc | 54
Have to agree with you.
I’m appalled at the behavior here of just about everyone. All I see is total self centeredness combined with a complete lack of concern for anything substantive.
And re: Ukraine?? Just pathetic.
In so fed up, I may just throw in the towel and finish my remaining years in a warm, tropical climate far away from the inevitable (as I see it) implosion.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jun 10 2022 20:13 utc | 73

Regarding F-35s, when will the US “give” some of those to Ukraina? I mean, they must surly be a game changer … or maybe not?

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 10 2022 20:15 utc | 75

dh | Jun 10 2022 19:57 utc | 63
“@60 War buffs would certainly be interested in seeing a mixed-gender Marine unit take on a squad of Chechens.”
Well the Borderlands aren’t that far away from where the ancient Sarmatae and Amazons were supposed to have flourished. Maybe when the cowards at NATO pull themselves together to openly fight Russia they’ll do better with all-female units. God knows they have no men.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 10 2022 20:27 utc | 77

About a month ago I again linked to the Heritage Foundation’s independent assessment of the Outlaw US Empire’s military in response to the same sorts of statements appearing on this thread. The opening page to the entire assessment is linked above. This links to the report’s conclusion, which states:
“In the aggregate, the United States’ military posture is rated ‘marginal.’ The 2022 Index concludes that the current U.S. military force is likely capable of meeting the demands of a single major regional conflict while also attending to various presence and engagement activities but that it would be very hard-pressed to do more and certainly would be ill-equipped to handle two nearly simultaneous major regional contingencies.
“In general, the military services have continued to prioritize readiness and have seen improvement over the past couple of years, but modernization programs continue to suffer as the failure of resources to keep pace with inflation leads to cancelations, truncation, or delay. The services have normalized the reduction in size and number of military units, and the forces remain well below the level they need to meet the two-MRC benchmark.” [Emphasis Original]
Just above the statement is a report card rating each service branch. The report says 2022 but was published in October of last year meaning the data used is now over a year old. What’s occurred in the interim is unlikely to improve the overall grade and very likely to degrade it further, particularly when we factor in the reality of battlefield weapon performance, which is to say the lack thereof. The need to issue bounties/bonuses for enlistment into key combat MOSs bodes ill for all branches, but the Army especially: Very Strong Readiness is no replacement for Weak Capacity and Marginal Capability. MIC profits are utterly useless as weapons or ordinance.
If a similar report on NATO were available, it would very likely show a similar outcome since the Outlaw US Empire’s military is to come to the rescue of European forces. China just took advantage of this glaring weakness in its meeting today with SecDef Austin, “Beijing to ‘Smash to Smithereens’ Any ‘Taiwan Independence’ Plot, China Defence Chief Warns US”. I can’t recall any nation saying anything that strong directly to the face of any Outlaw US Empire official.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 20:30 utc | 79

We have the best military, but can’t use it to win because our enemies would learn how to do it too.
Joe Tzu

Posted by: albagen | Jun 10 2022 20:37 utc | 81

You dont need to argue since arguments could mean agreement
Joe Tzu

Posted by: Macpott | Jun 10 2022 20:38 utc | 83

dh @63
For sure, millions interested in that. But I have never heard of Kadyrovs people confronting anybody who doesnt have their hands tied behind their back and on their knees. Still, they could surprise some one armed bandit 😉

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 10 2022 20:50 utc | 85

@ 44
Let Ritter drill himself a new a**hole.
No value Andrei wasting time debating with someone who’s been captured, warned off. Ritter has to live with his own limitations.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 10 2022 20:52 utc | 87

Karlof1 @77
Not old enough to have watched Iraqi defense ministers press conferences?
Just kidding, But really,most every adversary has said it. How much they have to back it up is another matter. For example, the chinese, to their credit, don’t really have battle hardened troops at the moment. Hope it stays that way.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 10 2022 20:58 utc | 89

In 2013, while watching Maidan happening in Kiev, I said Russia will never allow Kiev to be in the EU. I watched green men taking over Crimea in 2014. Russia would never allow their Hero cities to be taken over by EU/NATO, so the Americans can destroy them culturally. Kiev and Odessa are/were Soviet/Russia Hero cities, so have to come back to Russia.
Russia is not using its top armament yet, except the Kalibres, Iskanders and few other hypersonic missiles. Russia has not attacked, bombed any culturally valuable places/buildings in Kiev or Odessa. It won’t in the future. Kiev will come back to Russia one way or another, Odessa too. And, the cities will be intact, except Ze the Jew would decide to destroy/damage them.
Those, who thinks that the US is safe, have look at the US Congressional Budget Office map in Martyanov’s February 24, 2021 blog post https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/02/now-they-finally-admitted-it.html Well, not from whoever who has nuclear submarines with hypersonic long range missiles. The US won’t even know, who hit them, where the missiles come from, for they are too damn fast.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 10 2022 21:07 utc | 91

ostro @89–
On the previous thread, you posted a translated article. I subsequently requested that you provide the article’s URL. I’d appreciate it if you’d honor that request.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 21:22 utc | 93

John Kauai | Jun 10 2022 20:24 utc | 74
Russia has begun operating SU-57’s over Ukraine for the specific purpose of detecting and eliminating the last of Ukraine’s air defences. Russia main target at the start was the elimination of main air defence radars and had been eliminating launchers as they find them.
I think this may be preparation to enable the destruction of any heavy and long range weapons before they reach the battlefield.
As for Lavrov’s statement, I think that is more to do with the current phase of the operation. Ritter, like many has not yet grasped the global scale of what is occurring. Russia and China are setting up the circumstances in which the US will destroy itself as a global power.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2022 21:24 utc | 95

ostro | Jun 10 2022 21:07 utc | 89

Russia is not using its top armament yet, except the Kalibres, Iskanders and few other hypersonic missiles. Russia has not attacked, bombed any culturally valuable places/buildings in Kiev or Odessa. It won’t in the future. Kiev will come back to Russia one way or another, Odessa too. And, the cities will be intact, except Ze the Jew would decide to destroy/damage them.

That is why I am taking a different view of Russia’s plans/strategy for the SMO to most. 60% or more of Mariupol was destroyed and will require rebuilding. Same for the towns where battles are occurring.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2022 21:33 utc | 97

Chaka Khagan @ 90
Disney is definitely a part of CIA. Mockingbird.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 10 2022 21:37 utc | 99