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June 5, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-81

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

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Wonder where Igor Kolomoisky is hiding these days?
Would love to read a headline some morning that a special operation
was performed in Ukrainian territory
to put a bag over Igor and cart him off to Russia in order to stand trial
for murder (there is an outstanding warrant).
Igor Kolomoisky, as you are aware, funded Zelensky’s presidential campaign and greased the tracks.
Igor also funds several militias included Azov.
Oligarch Igor stands to lose a fortune – capital F – if the Donbas does not remain part of Kiev-Ukraine.

Posted by: librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 101

@ Tom_Q_Collins, oldhippie
I held my nose and went to the Moscow Times article, where I read this:

Of the 22.6 percent of households without a centralized sewage system, 16.8 percent use a system of pipes connected to pit toilets, RBC cited the State Statistics Service, Rosstat, as saying. The other 5.8 percent lack a sewage system altogether.

Note that for 3/4 of the 20-some percent, it’s not a question of lacking plumbing or indoor toilets at all, but rather a question of whether one’s toilet drains into a sewage system.
I note that my ex’s parents, who live on a farm in Iowa, would fall into this category. Their toilet and sink waste drains into a cistern, which in turn feeds a nice row of Lombardy poplars. If one looks closely at those Lombardy poplars, one can see shreds of toilet paper.
Of course, I wonder what the condition of Russian toilet waste has to do with which side is in the right in the current SMO.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2022 22:45 utc | 102

Posted by: librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 104
Likely in Geneva, Switzerland. Like Akhmetov family.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 5 2022 22:47 utc | 103

well, maybe the financial world really is fascist and no one ever talks about that..
Posted by: james | Jun 5 2022 16:37 utc | 26
The current global war is not only the war of a declining West empire against a rising East empire.
It is also kind of a class war. On one side, in the West, the owners of finance&capital power, who control the state. On the other side, the owners of the state power (gov of China, Russia, Venezuela, Iran) who control the economy.
It is obvious, as soon as one thinks about it ” and no one ever talks about that..”.

Posted by: parisian Guy | Jun 5 2022 22:50 utc | 104

Degenerate Spain continues to hold the Catalan people against their will, with the apparent blessing of the corrupt, fascistic European Union.
Many things in the world will change for the better when the colonialist, oligarch-riddled ‘ west’ falls into the cesspit it is digging for itself.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 5 2022 20:33 utc | 71
I won’t defend the territorial integrity of the Kingdom of Spain.
But Catalonia has been one of the most economically and politically privileged regions after Franco – i.e. the’re anything but downtrodden.
Historically they have tried to break away as much as they have been vanguard of spanish peoples – culturally, economically and politically.
Their current outlook is exceptionalist and entirely unsolidary with regards to all other regions. They also have conflict with other regions where virtually identical languages are spoken, regarding which one of the variants is the ur-catalan master of the universe.
The one virtue recognizable from outside is being republican, otherwise their act has been “fuck you I got mine” towards the rest of spain (I don’t care if they get their own state, geographical proximity will be the same, we’re “doomed to understand each other” unless a geological fault rips the Iberian Peninsula in twain).
Nationalist-separatist forces within the current territory of the Kingdom Spain operate under a “linguistic-supremacist” paradigm where only regions with an exclusive language are worthwhile identities, naturally anybody else who hears this immediately takes a shit on the ideology. Of which catalonians are the most snubby and classist, in a painfully obvious way.
I don’t condone the actions of the monarchist regime in Madrid to try and restrain catalonian political development, but catalonian nationalists have done less than nothing to procure my sympathy; in fact taking potshots at my region for classist shits and giggles, so I cannot share their worries or aspirations.
As far as I care, they’re on their own.
Si nomès voleu ballar tot sols, no espereu que els altres aplaudim. 🤷🏽

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 5 2022 22:51 utc | 105

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2022 22:45 utc | 105
Seems I too live in the third world. Surprised me!. Yes I do have 3 tiled bathrooms and toilets but dear or dear! I am not connected to sewage. have a very effective biocycle. Jeeepers!

Posted by: watcher | Jun 5 2022 22:51 utc | 106

@watcher
I never took a crap on a bicycle. Do you have a special seat ? ;1

Posted by: Featherless | Jun 5 2022 23:02 utc | 107

Summer homes (dachas) out in the countryside often have pit latrines and everyone has a summer home, so in a way it’s a reasonable statement that a large number, perhaps a majority, of Russians own at least one residence without indoor plumbing. If someone has convinced themselves that urban complexes in major metropolitan areas operate without indoor plumbing and waste management systems — they are too dumb for you to waste your time on.
Having said that, a lot of government services rely on having an officially registered place of residence and there can be various reasons for registering your dacha as your primary residence. This shows up in the officially issued statistics, together with the utilities that you yourself have declared that your dacha is connected to (meaning lots of outdated information).
Russia is also home to a substantial number of communities and individuals who shun city living entirely and essentially live off the land. A lot of older people sign over their city apartments to their children and move out into the country for a peaceful retirement, but there are other categories of people drawn to cheap land and negligible estate taxes, like religiously inclined foreigners, naturists etc. They are then in charge of their own utilities, unless they pick a strategic location between urban centers with connected utilities or on the outskirts of an urban center. Of course, there are some villages which are so off the grid they don’t even have a dirt-road connection, either newly built or remnants of past centuries, and the houses there are still attractive to hunting and fishing enthusiasts.
In short, there’s a ton of land and people are left to their own devices on how they want to live. The government primarily takes care of providing all necessities to urban centers and adjacent villages, but if you want to live in a solitary hut in the woods you’re on your own. I’m currently residing in Sweden, 30 minute bike-ride away from sewage connected to a water treatment facility, and all of our waste is collected in 12 or so separate latrine barrels around the neighborhood that are emptied by truck once a month. If tiny Sweden can’t get its shit together, what can you expect from 11 time zones of Russian territory?

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 5 2022 23:04 utc | 108

I think that the mistake we often make in looking at this situation, in Ukraine, and the many others like it -and there are many like it: Yugoslavia was like it, Malaya was like it, Northern Ireland was, so was Cyprus and so was Palestine…it is all part of the worlds of Woodrow Wilson and imperial ‘divide and rule’-is to see it as a natural phenomenon, rooted in history.
In most circumstances clashes born of ethnic or religious differences settle themselves over time, human beings adjust to one another. The Asian family running the corner shop in 1974 sticks out and troubles some of the neighbours…thirty years later everyone is getting along, people have learned to understand each other and to lose their fear of each others’ differences.
The trouble arises when there are deliberate and persistent attempts to exacerbate apparent differences and turn them into bloody clashes.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 5 2022 18:56 utc | 52
What another important and well articulated post. Thanks bevin.
Over the years I’ve noticed this exact argument coming from my lefty liberal friends and family if I mention US meddling: “Yes but those countries have ben at war forever” or “those countries are socially backward still barabric, no women’s rights, no wonder they are always fighting” etc etc
I say this repeatedly, your posts are very very helpful in putting into words what I and obviously many others already know but don’t have the historical knowledge to put it into context.
I too observe that people will try to get along and find common ground, historically all kinds of cultures have lived harmoniously together or side by side. It is the case in Australia when not stoked by media mal-intentions.
As far as I have found, Marxist theory and current Marxist Leninist practice with various social characteristics, is the only system of thought that explains the mess the human, natural and material part of the world is in and offers a different path. I personally think Marx must have been a visionary not just a brain but also the leaders and societies who have had the courage to implement and experiment with his ideas. He was a practical man who worked on the realisation of the bottom part of the Maslow human needs pyramid, but I am certain he was well aware of the pinnacle too.

Posted by: K | Jun 5 2022 23:10 utc | 109

Holy fuck, out-houses for toilets. In Russia. That’s fucking news, 80% of Canadians reserves, where the ‘natives’ are warehoused don’t have clean potable water and are under constant boil water advisories. Next we’ll hear that a run on TP in Russia has increased demand for antique Sears Roebuck catalogues. Remember to crinkle the shiny pages….softer on the bum.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 5 2022 23:45 utc | 110

2021 Plan targeting faulty septic systems in parts of Russian River watershed revised, finalized
2022 houzz.com, Septic Tank Services in Gorki

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 6 2022 0:27 utc | 111

Re: Sean the Leprechaum, @113,
it’s not “just” the reserves in Canada, my parents live up north and the rule for all of the counties is, “if you’re not within the town itself, you get jack!”. it’s really, really infuriating because the town councils are emulating Toronto, the Megacity, in that they’ve expanded the municipal limits (i.e. the tax base), 5, 10, 15 miles beyond what they were 20yrs ago, they jacked up everyone’s property taxes but offer no services. No garbage pickup, no water, no sewage, nothing. the garbage pickup is worst, because the people who live within the town get “free” garbage pickup, but us rural rubes have to pay $2/bag to drop off garbage at the dump, even though we pay the same taxes. People get around this with burn barrels, dumping garbage at the side of the major roads or having “private” family dumps. As for the boil water advisories, those really aren’t a big deal, if you don’t have a deep well or a water treatment system, you have to boil your water, simple as that (this might sound harsh, but these hamlets have been settled for 200+ yrs, we’ve been boiling water or drinking whiskey for a while). My family’s house has had terrible water forever (lots of tannin, sulfur, iron even E Coli) and until we got the water treatment system we had drink bottled water, just like most of the other people in the hamlet.
P.S. one of our neighbors didn’t even have indoor plumbing, she was an 80yr old woman and I still remember her getting bundled up to go use the outhouse in the dead of winter during a blizzard.

Posted by: Kadath | Jun 6 2022 1:01 utc | 112

The toilet talk and how poor and pathetic Russians are at the beginning of the war was over the top disgusting.
“Look how poor the pathetic Russians are, lets kill them all and laugh”
Shameful society

Posted by: OhhCanada | Jun 6 2022 2:03 utc | 113

I guess I can be forgiven for thinking this thread was “shit”… 🙂

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 2:40 utc | 114

This has been an enlightening expose of the pressing issue of toilets and whether sewerage connectivity denotes 1st or 3rd world status. Where else delves so deeply into such pressing topics?

Posted by: Organic | Jun 6 2022 2:44 utc | 115

The pros and cons of longdrop vs french tickler…. A mate of mine would not drink river water when he was young because fish pissed in it.
Swamp water is not good. After a day without water a mate had a gutfull of swamp water. I tasted it and thought better to be dry. He was somewhat unwell for a number of days.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 2:44 utc | 116

I own two houses in murica. Neither one is connected to a sewer system.

Posted by: Nook | Jun 6 2022 2:52 utc | 117

Posted by: librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 104
Posted by: Olivier | Jun 5 2022 22:47 utc | 106
I have asked the same question about Kolomoyskij several weeks ago. I thought that he may be in Switzerland or in Cyprus or in Israel. Nobody had an answer if I remember. Now, the narrower supposition is “Geneva”. I doubt that Kolo and Achmetov would reside in the small place like Geneva, because they are hating each other intensely – and Swiss authorities would not look kindly on some gang style shootouts in that peaceful place. The German “Die Welt” published in 2014 an article about both of them and about Firtasch. It is well worth reading
https://www.welt.de/print/die_welt/wirtschaft/article131474811/Der-kalte-Krieg-der-Oligarchen.html

Posted by: fanto | Jun 6 2022 3:09 utc | 118

Sorry to change the subject. Looks like another game-changer is on the way to Ukraine…
“Ukraine war: UK to send Ukraine M270 multiple-launch rocket systems”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61701055

Posted by: dh | Jun 6 2022 3:10 utc | 119

Posted by: dh | Jun 6 2022 3:10 utc | 122
“The UK government has not confirmed how many weapons will be sent, but the BBC understands it will be three initially.”
So much for those.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 3:16 utc | 120

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 3:16 utc | 123
Hahaha, and don’t forget. The Ukrainians and the western media have been crying today about Russian missile strikes on “civilian” targets in Kyiv, when in fact they were obviously aiming for whatever weaponry we’re sending there.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2022 3:33 utc | 121

The three latest Gonzalo Lira videos…
In the first one, he talks about the significance of Ukrainian enriched uranium stockpiles at the Zaporizhia nuclear plant.
2022.06.05 Mr. Grossi, Zaporizhia, and Nuclear Weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egpkp9BlFyc
In the second, he explains why there will be no “peace treaty” until Russia seizes all of Ukraine.
2022.06.05 There Will Be No Peace Agreement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru18yg-0Epo
And in the last, he discusses what will happen in Europe when the Ukraine war is over.
2022.06.05 What Happens To Europe When Russia Wins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUYtvk4sqE
His opinion is that Russia will seize all of Ukraine, annex all the southern and eastern areas, and install a puppet regime in the rest of Ukraine, because Lira is smart enough to know that Russia can’t allow the rest of Ukraine to be infiltrated by the West.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 3:37 utc | 122

Of course, I wonder what the condition of Russian toilet waste has to do with which side is in the right in the current SMO.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2022 22:45 utc | 105
Good fucking point. Why do I bother?
Richard Steven Hack – LOL, I missed the humor in your post the first time. Now it clicked. Sorry for turning this thread into shit.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2022 3:39 utc | 123

Sorry for turning this thread into shit.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2022 3:39 utc | 126
don’t be sorry, comic relief is necessary and a nice change from post after post about missiles and endless opinions about Russian intentions.
My first thought was omg what kind of people believe countries like Russia don’t have public sanitation handled? Probably a lot more than would be ready to admit it.

Posted by: K | Jun 6 2022 3:48 utc | 124

@123 “The UK government has not confirmed how many weapons will be sent, but the BBC understands it will be three initially.”
They probably don’t have more than 3 in working order. The point is to show the British taxpayers unwavering support for Ukraine.

Posted by: dh | Jun 6 2022 4:05 utc | 125

@ parisian Guy | Jun 5 2022 22:50 utc | 107
thanks.. yes, a few folks have called this a class war.. i think that is what this is too..

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 4:15 utc | 126

Sorry for reposting, but lost overview which thread is on topic:

It’s frustrating to whatch Military Summary, meanwhile for me the most important source about the state of the war, and to realize how slowly the allied forces gain territory, if any, and how – especially- the Ukrainians are still able to bomb civilians in Donetsk 7/24, and how irrelevant the Russian air supremacy seems to be.
How is this possible?
Is it really impossible to Russia to interrupt the supply of the Ukros, or is Russia eventually interested in a long war, as long as it remains a local war?
This war will last years. That’s my only prediction. Because I am afraid Russia wants it to last. Both the US and Russia want it to last. This is the way Russia is winning: by leading a war over years and getting stronger and stronger. This is devastating for the west.
But: this also is a cynical POV from the Russian side!
So I must tell you, Gonzalo, that it will not happen what you predict „when the war is over“. Because this war won’t be over soon, neither US nor RF wants it. Europe won’t be able to change side as long as the war lasts.
Military Summary is a pro Russian channel, but brings info from both sides without any prop interests:
https://youtu.be/rpdupRPVk6A

Posted by: njet | Jun 6 2022 5:11 utc | 127

@68 and @87, re: Ukraine’s first post-coup governors in March 2014 were oligarchs appointed by the new government whose PM Yatsenyuk had been selected by the US (“Yats is the guy,” per V. Nuland). NY Times doesn’t mention Yats til 6th parag., says idea of calling in oligarch’s was someone else’s, names were announced by pres. office but Yats/US were likely involved in selections–esp. those in E. Ukraine since this was a US government obtained via violent coup planned for 2 yrs. Two key Eastern Ukraine governorships were given to Sergei Taruta in Donetsk and Ihor Kolomoysky in Dnipropetrovsk. US policy for the East was that it remain under constant attack, so it’s likely the governors awarded Eastern regions were down with the program….3/2/2014, “Ukraine Turns to Its Oligarchs for Political Help,“ NY Times, Andrew E. Kramer, Kiev, Ukraine
“The interim government…[led by US selected Prime Minister Yatsenyuk] is recruiting the country’s wealthy businessmen, known as the oligarchs, to serve as governors of the eastern provinces.
The strategy…is recognition that the oligarchs represent the country’s industrial and business elite, and exercise great influence over thousands of workers in the east, which is largely ethnically Russian….
The office of President…announced on Sunday the appointments of two billionaires-Sergei Taruta in Donetsk and Ihor Kolomoysky in Dnipropetrovsk-
and more were reportedly under consideration for positions in the eastern regions….
After the meeting, the government began asking the oligarchs to take the positions in the regional governments….
The ultra-wealthy industrialists wield such power in Ukraine that they form what amounts to a shadow government, with empires of steel and coal, telecoms and media, and armies of workers.
Persuading some to serve as governors in the east was a small victory for the new government in Kiev….
“The risk is this will be seen as business as usual by putting wealthy people in government.
That has been part of the problem for the past 22 years”…said Steven Pifer, a former American ambassador to Ukraine who is now at the Brookings Institution….
Mr. Kolomoysky, a steel, airline and media tycoon, accepted the position of governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region, an area on the fracture line between east and west in Ukraine. His acceptance was first reported on Sunday by 1+1, a television station that Mr. Kolomoysky owns….
Another figure reported to be under consideration for a governorship in the east
is Aleksandr Yaroslavsky, a developer and banker. The interim government
offered him the position of governor of the Kharkiv region, where pro-Russian protesters on Saturday overran a regional administration building.”…https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-turns-to-its-oligarchs-for-political-help.html?_r=2&auth=login-email&login=email

Posted by: susan mullen | Jun 6 2022 5:28 utc | 128

Tom_Q_Collins, the easiest response is to fight fire with fire. Here, use an ensconced liberal source to degrade perceptions of the USA. This Guardian story touches upon Hookworm making a comeback in the SouthEast of the USA because of raw sewage dumping due to incompetence & corruption, again.
“Hookworm, a Disease of Extreme Poverty, is Thriving in the South. Why?”
The Guardian, Sept 5th, 2017
(I don’t remember off-hand how to link without possibly breaking format. But inconsequential and unnecessary. This way there is no blind link, NSFW, and interested parties can search it out. May it help your Sisyphean task. 😉 )

Posted by: JR whenDallasdreamt | Jun 6 2022 5:34 utc | 129

The Japanese government is rotten, but the toilet is very clean.

Posted by: Nosuhiri | Jun 6 2022 6:17 utc | 130

From Der Spiegel International… Frankly, it’s because they don’t want Zircons landing in the Chancellor’s office, but they’re also afraid to admit it.
Olaf Scholz and Ukraine Why Has Germany Been So Slow to Deliver Weapons?
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/olaf-scholz-and-ukraine-why-has-germany-been-so-slow-to-deliver-weapons-a-7cc8397b-2448-49e6-afa5-00311c8fedce

Russia is on the advance in eastern Ukraine, with military experts beginning to wonder how long the Ukrainian military can continue standing up to the onslaught. The Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany’s foreign intelligence agency, fears that Ukrainian resistance could even be broken in the next four to five weeks. In a number of classified briefings in recent days, BND analysts have noted that while the Russians are moving much more slowly than they did at the beginning of the war, they are able to conquer small bits of territory each day. The BND thinks it possible that Putin’s troops could bring all of the Donbas under their control by August. Which means that it makes a huge difference whether German weapons are delivered next week or at some point in August….
The tank embargo has never been discussed at the NATO level, much less decided upon, say people close to the German government, but unofficially, there is complete agreement on the issue between Washington, London and Paris. Furthermore, say sources, Germany could never be the first country to deliver tanks for historical reasons.
At the same time, sources close to the government say there is concern that Ukraine could become overconfident if it experiences a string of battlefield victories and rolls into Russian territory – which would mean that German tanks would once again be inside Russia. It is a concern that highlights a certain distrust in Berlin of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. And that, too, is a reason why the defense industry in Germany has not been authorized to deliver battle tanks.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 6:29 utc | 131

@lex talionis | Jun 5 2022 20:53 utc | 76

@ 74 TQC – I think the Ruskies are pretty advanced!
Russian Cyber Farm

LOL hilarious, thank you for that!!
The Russians are managing the sanctions: Natasha from russia

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2022 6:30 utc | 132

@malenkov | Jun 5 2022 22:45 utc | 105

Note that for 3/4 of the 20-some percent, it’s not a question of lacking plumbing or indoor toilets at all, but rather a question of whether one’s toilet drains into a sewage system.

Not only in Russia, I guess I live a very primitive life on the edge of existence, because my toilet(s) do not drain into a sewage system, but a septic tank (and I live close to a city). I do have 500/500 Mbit/s fiber though, lots of incoming s***t.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2022 6:49 utc | 133

Michael Tracey has been talking recently about the (very obvious) comparisons with Vietnam, which was, as everyone has now forgotten, ‘the liberals’ war’.
The war was started by Eisenhower, but was aggressively supported by the liberals’ hero, JFK, who wrote: “Burma, Thailand, India, Japan, the Philippines and obviously Laos and Cambodia are among those whose security would be threatened if the Red Tide of Communism overflowed into Vietnam.”
JFK obviously extended the war and increased American involvement, and it was LBJ who really went to town on the American involvement.
Nixon and Kissinger, despite their many crimes, actually deserve credit for ending the war (insofar as any American President deserves credit for anything).
What we are seeing here is Vietnam on full throttle. It’s a sign, incidentally, of how much more brainwashed the Americans (and Europeans) are, that this de facto American invasion of Ukraine, despite the fact that it’s taking place completely in the open, is causing so little public pushback. Even in the early 1960s there was the beginnings of an anti-war movement. Now, nothing.
Incidentally, like Vietnam, this war will inevitably spread and risk nuclear war. Completely inevitable.
A lot of people on this thread are getting far too excited, incidentally, asking ‘when will this war end?’ Very simple: it will never end. It can’t. The Amerikan Empire is on the march now and won’t rest until the real ‘enemy’, China, is annihilated.
David Wearing, in his book AngloArabia: revealed that one of the key reasons for the War of Terror was to prevent China getting access to Iraqi war (Afghanistan was also part of the plan to weaken Russia). So this war has already been going on for 20 years (longer if one counts the Nato invasion of Yugoslavia): it will go on for another 40/50. years minimum and will not end until either China or the US has triumphed. For both, this is existential.

Posted by: Hidari | Jun 6 2022 6:59 utc | 134

> as they say, ‘without bills’)
Без купюр
Without cuts. Guess in French banknotes were once called cut money

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 6 2022 7:09 utc | 135

> Posted by: bevin | Jun 5 2022 18:56 utc | 52
Brilliant.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 7:23 utc | 136

This Semi-OldGuy is fairly proficient at computer coding and problem solving. I am not good at deciphering political gobblygook and world news. Okay. that being said, are we at the precipice of a third world war?

Posted by: Semi-OldGuy | Jun 6 2022 7:24 utc | 137

The UK follows along like the faithful lapdog it’s always been as the USA’s bitch in sending rocket systems to Ukraine. But only really as a distraction from the Tory’s appalling conduct on everything else.
Now tonight, the turd Johnson faces a vote of no confidence. I suspect he’ll survive because, at the end of the day, his would-be removers, are themselves a bunch of unprincipled, opportunistic shits and won’t risk losing. God forbid if that complete arsewipe Tugenhadt does win any subsequent Tory leadership race. He makes the dullard Truss look like an intellectual.

Posted by: Vragtes | Jun 6 2022 8:25 utc | 138

Semi-OldGuy @ 140
Not the precipice. Already there. Early battles.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 6 2022 8:27 utc | 139

librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 104

Q: Wonder where Igor Kolomoisky is hiding these days?
>~ …Oligarch Igor stands to lose a fortune – capital F – if the Donbas does not remain part of Kiev-Ukraine

A: Israel.
Kolomoisky like so many others involved in the Ukrainian project has had an ignominious fall.
Blinken and Team CYA have moved against Kolor-murky.
He’s on an FBI wanted list and ….. well. He’s no longer living the dream.
FBI goes after Igor Kolomoisky
The State Department issued a ban against Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky entering the US on 5 March due to allegations […] (173 words)
Issue dated 24/03/2021
https://www.intelligenceonline.com/corporate-intelligence/2021/03/24/fbi-goes-after-igor-kolomoisky,109652697-art
Controversial Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky banned from US
US Secretary of State Blinken accuses Jewish tycoon of corruption, undermining democracy
By AFP. 7 March 2021
https://www.timesofisrael.com/controversial-ukrainian-oligarch-igor-kolomoisky-banned-from-us/
10 Dots Connected On Ukraine
dannielleblumenthal March 8, 2022 2 Minutes
1. Kolomoisky is Zelensky’s financial benefactor. [[or. was: past tense??]]
2. Kolomoisky co-owned a Ukrainian bank named PrivatBank. He took out $5.5 billion of Ukrainian money from the bank to “invest” and never paid it back.
* Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project: “PrivatBank was nationalized in 2016 after allegations of years of fraud. Before regulators took over, however, Kolomoisky managed to move $5.5 billion out of the country using the bank’s branch in Cyprus.”
3. Through intermediaries his money funded Jewish charities. [Note: “Authorities have not accused the charities of wrongdoing.”] The money creates an institutional barrier to talking openly about this crook.
4. The DOJ/FBI is aggressively pursuing this matter. The State Dept. (Blinken) banned him from the USA 1 year ago (March 2021). When banning Kolomoisky from the USA, Secretary of State Blinken said Kolomoisky needed to stop meddling in Ukrainian politics (read: Zelensky). The oligarch controlled not just that, but also obviously the courts never convicted him.
* NYT: “In a statement, Mr. Blinken said Mr. Kolomoisky had used a position in government as a regional governor in Ukraine for his personal benefit. While acknowledging that the Ukrainian holds no official role today, Mr. Blinken said he posed a risk for “ongoing efforts to undermine Ukraine’s democratic processes and institutions,” an apparent reference to his efforts to influence the Zelensky administration. Mr. Zelensky has denied he is beholden to the businessman.”
5. The IMF had to clean up Kolomoisky’s mess in Ukraine leading to the bank’s nationalization.
6. Under bought and paid for Zelensky, Kolomoisky has escaped any sort of justice in Ukraine whatsoever.
7. The FBI chased Kolomoisky to Israel. Israel was about to give him up to the USA. He escaped.
* “’Two unrelated sources have told us that Kolomoisky returned because the FBI had him pinned in Israel. The amount of information on the oligarch’s schemes is supposedly so large that the local Mossad had already gladly made plans to hand him over to the Americans, despite the fact that Israel does not extradite its own citizens to anyone (which is why Kolomoisky went there from Switzerland),’ the Telegram [archive link] channel states.” (UAWire.org [Archive link])
8. Burisma is the gas company concerning which then-VP Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees if they didn’t fire the prosecutor.
9. Keep in mind Biden didn’t just do this off the cuff. It was part of a coordinated U.S. effort to stop Ukraine corruption. However it is glaringly obvious that his son’s presence on the board was part of the corruption.
10. “Kolomoisky publicly said in 2019 that he refused to cooperate with efforts by President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, to get his help in investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma—and potentially Joe Biden, multiple news outlets reported. House Democrats’ impeachment report on Trump also cited the incident in late 2019.”
How Hunter Biden’s Interests ‘Overlapped’ With Banned Ukrainian Oligarch
By Dr. Dannielle (Dossy) Blumenthal. All opinions are the author’s own…..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 8:36 utc | 140

Semi-OldGuy | Jun 6 2022 7:24 utc | 140
are we at the precipice of a third world war?
IMHO. we’re closer than at any time post “Cuban” missile crisis.
And, ironically, for precisely the same reason.
Russia put missiles in Cuba because of the US missiles in Turkey…..
Now, NATO and the US are camping on Russia’s “front porch”… and Russia is no longer able to tolerate this.
NATO EU and US seem particularly obtuse about the Russian demand for “security guarantees”.
And unlike 1962. There is no longer and goodwill… the Russians have endured a half century of abuse and misuse.
And their president and diplomat and various senior government guys are saying, Get off our lawn. Will you still can.
You will be removed regardless…
So. Yes. Precipice.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 8:43 utc | 141

… How Hunter Biden’s Interests ‘Overlapped’ With Banned Ukrainian Oligarch …..
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 8:36 utc | 143

Great info, thanks. The more territory RF captures, the more chance that something or someone falls into RF hands that could personally incinerate Dirty Joe & Grunter.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 9:07 utc | 142

Reading only slightly between the lines, it looks like there are still persons of interest at large in Mariupol.
The “mayor” of Mariupol is still regularly in the news bemoaning the lack of food and water (which is an obvious lie) and the fact that residents need to be vetted in order to leave the city (which is absolutely 100% true).
It’s all wrapped up as concern for public health but I think it’s pretty clear that friends and well-wishers of the previous administration are still trapped within Mariupol city limits and that it is they alone who are running out of food and clean water.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 9:08 utc | 143

Last I was in Kiev no one drank the tap water. While it may have been technically potable, no one believed that it was. I doubt things have changed much since then, for the better anyway. Clothes washers were a luxury item and many city dwellers lacked one. No one I knew had a drier. Never saw a laundromat. Public toilets were nasty and to be avoided. Outhouse at the dacha much preferred. Same in Russia. Rural Ukraine is the same as rural Russia as far as amenities goes.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 9:24 utc | 144

Who put Sakashvilli in charge of Odessa oblast? Poroshenko maybe. When he was in charge there I heard the US paid his salary. There is nothing good to say about the Ukrainian political class. After 2014 ‘right’ people were imported from Estonia and other Baltic stated, given Ukrainian citizenship and government posts. The ‘corrupt’ prosecutor whom Biden demanded to be removed was a career professional with a reasonable record. The replacement had no legitimate professional experience and had been convicted of corruption.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 9:34 utc | 145

Thus, instead of culture being the site of revolutionary action against an élite (per Gramsci), the lUS and European social platforms and MSM, cleansed of non-western rivals, have become precisely the site where the ‘system’ – the élite – can reassert itself, neutering the possibility of political resistance by dominating the cultural sphere: Big-platform algorithmic and MSM demonization of China and Russia.

Alastair Crooke, Al Mayadeen 5 Jun 2022
Russia-Ukraine conflit: an african perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOJ1woQTYck

Posted by: António Ferrão | Jun 6 2022 9:59 utc | 146

@ 1 Bevin
As a resident of Spain I would like to add to the conversation regarding Spain´s provision of weapons to Ukraine. Although some of the commentators are reasonably well informed, simplistic and sophomoric name calling is not helpful, and reflects badly on the commentator. Yes, it is disgraceful that Spain is sending weapons to prolong the war. The political parties are almost completely united in support, the only exception being some of the members of Unidos Podemos, which is in a coalition with PSOE to form the government. The most prominent member of that party, who comes from the Spanish Communist Party, has even elected to remain quiet. Sorry to say, but Spain is the puppet of the US. From the political class and the ¨elite¨ down to the working class there is a servile willingness to follow the orders of the new caudillo. This is in spite of the fact that the US has not been kind to Spain.
The Spanish American War humiliated the once proud country and stripped it of its overseas colonies. During the Spanish Civil War the US refused to provide aid to the legitimate government, and Conoco sold vital petroleum to keep the fascist war machine going. After the second world war, when the Allies had defeated Hitler and Mussolini, they stopped at the Pyrenees. They left Franco, the Fascist dictator who had assassinated tens of thousands of people in a veritable ideological ethnic cleansing, in power. People couldn´t understand it. Franco was just as bad as Hitler. After the death of Franco, there are reasons to believe that the CIA had a hand in manipulating the so-called ¨transition to democracy¨ and re-installing of the monarchy in the person of the despicable Juan Carlos I. Nothing was to change, and practically nothing has. The same people are in charge. They are still immune. After all that, how can this servile loyalty be explained?
The great Luis García Berlanga explains it to us in his film, Bienvenido Mr. Marshall (1953). The film is set in a little Spanish village that has just received news that an American diplomat will be visiting their town. The village is poor, often there is not enough to eat. The people are thrilled at the prospect of the visit, they decorate the town and prepare an elaborate welcome for the visitors. They imagine what a wonderful place the US is. They had heard of the Marshall Plan, that US program to assist the war-torn Europe recover, and they dreamed of getting some help. The big day arrives and a caravan of big American cars with their flags on the bumper roars through the dusty pueblo without even slowing down. The village was humiliated. The film demonstrates the way the country was humiliated. The rejected lover.
In the face of the onslaught of pro-Ukraine propaganda which has captured the public opinion almost 100% there is very little room for the government to maneuver. Sanchez is no doubt under extreme pressure from both the US and EU to toe the line. He needs to continue to make nice with the neo-liberal EU to keep the money coming in and economic activity going (Spain is doing better than most of the EU), and he needs to make nice with the US. His new foreign minister, the Jesuit José Manuel Albares, whose wheeling and dealing with Morocco has resulted in several very unpopular changes in policy, sems to be carrying water for the US interests in Africa. On top of all that, as has been mentioned, Sanchez was educated as an economist in the US. One of the principal tenants of that type of education is that foreign (mostly US of course) investment is essential for economic growth. He really is a neo-liberal at heart. Finally, as to whether the country, or the government, is Fascist, I insist that labels such as that are useless and only confuse the issue. In my mind, that label fits nicely on the US. Maybe on Russia too. Depends on how you define it. Spain seems to be a wholly owned subsidiary of the US, as the rest of occupied Europe.

Posted by: c | Jun 6 2022 10:00 utc | 147

It’s frustrating to whatch Military Summary, meanwhile for me the most important source about the state of the war, and to realize how slowly the allied forces gain territory, if any, and how – especially- the Ukrainians are still able to bomb civilians in Donetsk 7/24, and how irrelevant the Russian air supremacy seems to be.
How is this possible?
Posted by: njet | Jun 6 2022 5:11 utc | 130
The city of Donezk isn`t that far away from UAF-held territory. Most of the attacks carried out against this and other cities use BM-21 GRAD and similar, Katjusha-style, rocket launchers*. They are pretty mobile, they have/had lots of them, and they are imprecise. (Hence perfect for shelling civilian areas, if you are so inclined.) These multi-rocket launcher rockets can hardly be shot down like ballistic or cruise missiles. They have a range of up to 40 km, more modern version probably beyond that. Plus the Tochka-Us.
You can expect where the Czech MRLs will be deployed and used, if they get there.
I do expect that over time, most of these systems and their crew will be eliminated, and Russia will push to the borders of the Donbass and create a military-free zone beyond that (at least), so further such attacks will be made impossible.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad
NB: Back in the day when that US battle-ship was shelling cities (and military positions) in Lebanon (methinks), I wondered why those on the receiving end never utilized their GRADs (of whom they had quite a few) to send some greetings to the US Navy, since the ship was close enough to the shore. Then again, I was young back in the day …

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jun 6 2022 10:03 utc | 148

Re: Igor Kolomoisky
librul @104 Melaleuca @143
If I remember correctly, after the Maidan coup Kolomoisky was made governor of the Dnepropetrovsk Oblast. He became one of our suspects in the downing of MH17. Strange people started working from his office in Dnepropetrovsk. I collected three photos that were all taken in the same room in Dnepropetrovsk, I believe somewhere in the Regional Administration Building.

Yuri Bereza, commander of special purpose battalion “Dnipro-1”
This same office room in Kolomoisky’s headquarters in Dnepropetrovsk is also used by Dmitry Yarosh’s Pravyi Sektor and Euromaidan.

I have now noticed that Ukrainians have started blurring the background of indoor photographs. Only criminals need to cover their tracks.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2022 10:07 utc | 149

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 5 2022 22:21 utc | 98
Spain does not have any 1A4 Leos. They are 2A4 and will not do Ukr much good – Turkey lost 10 of them in Iraq to Kornets. They may never reach UKr since they are training the Ukies in Lithuania so how they intend to move them to the battlefield is not self-evident and who will maintain them ?
Spain offered these to Peru for evaluation but they were rejected

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:11 utc | 150

Posted by: Paul | Jun 5 2022 22:12 utc | 96
and there I was watching US cities like San Fran with outdoor toilets on the street and tent cities…….I thought Portland had quite a free-form housing system……….doesn’t the US have lots of alfresco living ?
I thought it was the nEw USA with tents and sleeping in cars that was the New Wave ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:13 utc | 151

Speaking of MH17, I’ve been wondering if the SMO would turn up any new information on it, or if it will forever remain relegated to the realm of speculation. Kiev was the primary beneficiary and the party that blocked timely and effective investigation. Kolomoisky is certainly amoral enough to have been involved.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 10:16 utc | 152

Posted by: c | Jun 6 2022 10:00 utc | 149
You really must read the findings of the Church Committee in US Senate 1975……….they discovered JFK had a secret agreement to use US forces to keep Franco in power but that was simply the Pact of Madrid 1953 and the US did pump $1.5 billion into Spain

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:26 utc | 153

The European Union and the Euro

The EU’s position of complete follow-through in relation to US policy also demonstrates that holding reserves in euros does not provide any guarantees.
In addition to the weaknesses evidenced by the system of payments between central banks of the euro, system (Target 2), the Euro countries, by following the American positions, also liquidated any wish that this currency could constitute itself as a reliable and safe reserve for the emerging countries. [5]
The persistence and even worsening of imbalances between most eurozone countries and Germany indicate that a new euro crisis cannot be excluded, which makes the euro even less reliable. This real perspective is also driven by the inflation situation caused by COVID and now by the war in Ukraine that will lead to an increase in interest rates, which will be extremely negative for the most indebted countries such as Portugal.
Low interest rates and negative interest rates actually played the role of restructuring the debts of indebted countries. Decrease in interest rates, lengthening of maturities and even haircuts when rates were negative.
But this restructuring, without being named, could be interrupted by the rise in interest rates that is already in the offing, and this increase may not even be smooth. The “Euribor” has been increasing and the last loans have been carried out under more onerous conditions.
Germany has revised its inflation rate forecast for this year to 6.17% from 3.3% in January and will not stop pushing for interest rate hikes.
The prolongation of this war on European soil, a strategy of the United States of America, to confess to weakening Russia, will lead to a substantial worsening of the social, financial and economic situation throughout Europe, with political consequences and heavier bills for the indebted countries that they will seek to endorse the workers and the people.

Carlos Cravalhas, 28 May 2022

Posted by: António Ferrão | Jun 6 2022 10:31 utc | 154

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 9:34 utc | 148
Sakashvili is a US asset anyway and Odessa is a major smuggling port for narcotics.
http://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Ukrainian_Mafia
http://www.greydynamics.com/organised-crime-in-ukraine-a-crippling-problem/
https//www.jpost.com/breaking-news/four-israelis-arrested-in-ukraine-for-attempting-to-smuggle-cocaine-646831#:~:text=Four%20Israeli%20citizens%20were%20arrested%20in%20Odessa%20after,containing%20packages%20of%20drugs.%20Tags%20ukraine%20Israelis%20Cocaine

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:32 utc | 155

China reported that Russia destroyed in Kiev the tanks sent by NATO.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/special-coverage/Ukraine-Tensions-Timeline.html

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 6 2022 10:41 utc | 156

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 6 2022 10:41 utc | 157
I saw pictures of the auto repair plant which was being used for the tanks. The Russians blew the crap out of it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 11:05 utc | 157

This website is for Kremlin bots and anti West clowns. FU sideways, idiots.

Posted by: Myroslav Druzhenko | Jun 6 2022 11:14 utc | 158

Posted by: Myroslav Druzhenko | Jun 6 2022 11:14 utc | 159
Hohol, idi na huj!

Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | Jun 6 2022 11:18 utc | 159

@ CM of Berlin | Jun 6 2022 10:03 utc | 150
It is going to take some good few weeks for RF to clean Donbas. Unless RF gets a grip with really cutting off AFU there and does it fast and relentless. So far, propaganda or not, there is still a rather steady flow of troops, arms, and fuel to the East and AFU.
I would call it a big strategic issue with RF.
One can argue that it is better to let AFU to gather at one place and then to destroy it.
So far, while focused on Lysishiansk-Sieverodonietzk conglomerate, Avdiivka is the biggest issue and the biggest threat there.
Also RF’s inability to cross the river in the North is a bit strange. River level is now lower than in March/April/May and a big push is needed there to reshape the frontline and push for total cut off of the East.
Instead and as it seems RF is trying to develop two southern ‘forked’ front lines towards Mariupol and Dnipro.
That might refocus AFU to try an additional attempt to fortify there, but I doubt that it’ll work.
‘Military Summary’ is superb at assessing terrain and possible RF/AFU tactical moves, however he and we all overestimate RF’s used bare minimum in force and capacity.
That is why it all seems a bit in a slow-motion.
There are two options: add some more BTG’s, go fast, win while bearing more casualties (even collateral as would be the case in Avdiivka) and this what we are witnessing now.

Posted by: whirlX | Jun 6 2022 11:19 utc | 160

Re 155 Paul greenwood
Not surprised. It stems fron eisenhower’s agreement for the bases in Spain in 1953 i think. That saved franco’s ass as the country was a ruin and the historically strong but disorganized left was rumbling. The Berlanger film portrays the overwhelming desire of the pueblo to be liked by the new caudillo, the US.

Posted by: c | Jun 6 2022 11:25 utc | 161

A lot of talk out there about Russia getting bogged down. I don’t see it that way. I’ve said before that I think Russia is following established Russian military doctrine: frontal assaults paired with pincers. The cauldron in the east is real, and is drawing more and more of the Ukrainian military into it, on the illusory hope Russia can be defeated.
In an era more familiar with warfare, and more grounded in reality, such as WWII, a situation in which a military like Ukraine’s is surrounded on all sides but one — the exit — by an enemy vastly larger and more resource-rich would rightly be seen as no-win. But the Ukrainian running things right now — Arestovich — seem to strategize day-to-day according to a shifting set of ideological and adrenaline-charged illusions, about total Russian defeat or, at least, exhaustion, that would be more than a little familiar to the Sixth Army. Ukraine is throwing everything it can gets its hands on, including all the ”eclectic” aid (to put it kindly) coming in from “the West,” into the cauldron, even as the water comes slowly to a boil.
It all reminds me of the Battle of Stalingrad, which occurred over months, and in which the Soviets bided their time until the moment was right to close the lid.

Posted by: line islands | Jun 6 2022 11:40 utc | 162

RSH@158…confirmed hit on the train tunnel….still waiting for pics….see any?
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 6 2022 11:52 utc | 163

https://thesaker.is/japans-perceptions-of-the-propaganda-regarding-the-smo/
an interesting article from The Saker, written by a person who lives in Japan. Sheds some light on something I wonder about, the attitudes of the people in countries occupied by the US.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2022 12:40 utc | 164

c@147
Sincere thanks for your informative contribution.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 13:39 utc | 165

RE: The generosity of Spaniard Arms contributions to the Ukraine debacle:
I used to have an aunt, she loved being generous to her nieces and nephews, but not her own children as you’ll understand in a moment. Whenever her closets and/or attic storage area got too cluttered, she solved the problem by calling us up and inviting us for a visit, to then take said clutter away from her house to ours. How could we refuse- right? It was wonderful stuff, and still quite serviceable. Not. I said USED to have an aunt, she passed away some years ago. At the memorial service, we reminisced about the giving nature of that aunt of ours. One of my cousins admitted that she put her stuff in yard sales and made some money off it. I wonder if Ukraine will possibly do the same thing with the hand-me-downs from the Spaniards?

Posted by: KVegasPatriot | Jun 6 2022 13:44 utc | 166

Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2022 10:07 utc | 149 (+ others)
More Kolorful kolomoisky.
How Hunter Biden’s Interests ‘Overlapped’ With Banned Ukrainian Oligarch
Fred Lucas / @FredLucasWH / March 31, 2021
Connections at a Glance
Among the indirect connections between Kolomoisky and the younger Biden: 
* Kolomoisky had a “controlling interest” in Burisma Holdings, the New York Post reported. Burisma employed Hunter Biden as a board member for a widely reported salary of $50,000 per month. Russian media, quoted in State Department emails, referred to Burisma as “part of Kolomoisky’s financial empire.” 
* Kolomoisky publicly said in 2019 that he refused to cooperate with efforts by President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, to get his help in investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma—and potentially Joe Biden, multiple news outlets reported. House Democrats’ impeachment report on Trump also cited the incident in late 2019.   
* Emails from 2015, published last year by the New York Post, show a Kolomoisky protege communicated with Hunter Biden about a meeting between the protege and Joe Biden, then vice president under President Barack Obama.
* Court filings from 2019 by a private investigatory firm allege that legally obtained bank records of Hunter Biden show payments to him from the Kolomoisky-owned PrivatBank. 
https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/03/31/how-hunter-bidens-interests-overlapped-with-banned-ukrainian-oligarch/
My take is that using the FBI to pursue Kolomoisky takes him “out of play”.
He needs to keep his head down and stay out of reach in either Israel or Switzerland.
And the links from Kolomoisky to the Bidens… are covered by the FBI investigations… Anything that emerges now can be seized for “evidence” in any investigation, and conveniently memory holed.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 15:01 utc | 167

The two Ukraines.
1/ A soldier notes he can be shot for desertion…..so why not the leaders who have already fled.
2/ The Comedian in Chief makes a cameo appearance on the front lines.
Comrade Ozan (Troller) @ComradeAmongus
https://twitter.com/ComradeAmongus
Ukrainian soldier speaks. He speaks a lot in only 15 seconds.
Oliver Carroll. @olliecarroll.
https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1533619320093388800
Zelensky actually went right into the Severodonetsk salient. Remarkable
And I liked these:
Taurevanime. @Taurevanime
I like this new dark Medvedev the war as unleashed.
Spriteer @spriteer_774400
Turkish edition of Hürriyet, Russia and Turkey have started a new round of negotiations to replace departed Western brands with Turkish companies
May 23, 2022
Hours out from facing a no confidence vote:
Boris Johnson @BorisJohnson
United Kingdom government official
We cannot stand by while Russian long-range artillery flattens cities and kills innocent civilians. 
The UK will gift the Ukrainian Armed Forces multiple-launch rocket systems so they can effectively repel the continuing Russian onslaught.
>>UK to gift multiple-launch rocket systems to Ukraine
Defence Secretary Ben Wallace announced that Britain will send M270 launchers, which can strike targets up to 80km away with precision guided rockets. [[no numbers specified]]
>Alongside the weapon system, the UK will also supply M31A1 munitions at scale.
>Ukrainian troops will be trained on how to use the launchers in the UK, so that they can maximise the effectiveness of the systems.
Britain previously announced that Ukrainian personnel would be trained to use a variety of armoured vehicles which the UK donated, including Mastiff, Husky and Wolfhound.
>The UK was the first European country to supply lethal aid to Ukraine, and has since provided thousands of anti-tank missiles, anti-air systems and armoured vehicles to Ukrainian forces.
>Britain has also taken a leading role in coordinating international donations of military aid, with Ben Wallace hosting two international donor conferences to coordinate support from 35 partner nations, while RAF aircraft have moved thousands of tonnes of military assistance from donors around the world to Ukraine.
>The UK will continue to provide aid to ensure Ukraine has what it needs to defend itself against brutal Russian aggression.
Boris channels his most Churchillian somber, sober and Sabre rattling sermon.
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1532726808394752001?cxt=HHwWgoCzgau6q8UqAAAA
Watch it. I defy you not to barf.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 15:03 utc | 168

re Japan and toilets: Using the facilities at Narita Airport is one of life’s best PG-rated pleasures. Jets of soapy warm water! The Japanese must find us barbarians for using paper, which does a poor job of cleaning. But yes, the Japanese save their filth for their political class.
re Spain: I’ve always had a soft spot for Marinaleda (which I know admittedly only from reading about it), but that’s about it.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 6 2022 15:06 utc | 169

México with AMLO is at the forefront of the Spanish world, not everybody is invited to the summit therefore I won’t go, that is a great victory and a warning, a long frontier with land claims and mixed populations, a Ukraine right at the border. Bravo AMLO, follow the steps of the greatest, Castro, El Che, Sandino, Pancho Villa who defeated the ballyhooed Patton.
I don’t want to do a search, but someone in this thread insulted Spain siding with an oppressed Cataluña, beware of those “freedom fighters” from Langley, divide and rule is their method, creating Ukraines all over the place, keeping their hostages tied with the ghost of Barcelona who has as many native Spanish speakers as Catalonians, going into a Maidan. The writing is on the wall for the anglo-saxon yoke , karma is pointing clearly that it’s time to pay for the many crimes committed.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 6 2022 16:11 utc | 170

I live in the good ol’ USA and I am not connected to the sewer system either. I have a septic tank like a whole lot of other people around here. I guess we are living proof of a backward society.
Cisterns are usually for holding water.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 6 2022 16:19 utc | 171

@149 Peter Krohn – Thank you for that collection of photos. For those interested in the MH17 incident, Kees van der Pijl wrote a great book on the sad subject.
Flight MH17, Ukraine and the new Cold War – Prism of disaster
@153 – Paul Greenwood – Very interesting. Thank you for that!
@132 Norwegian – Natasha!!
@137 Semi old guy – Can’t they just be merciful and pull the plug now. “…there is always a future in computer repair…”

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 6 2022 16:40 utc | 172

Hidari@134,
Many here make points embedded with America’s military might and what you can do.
They seem to ignore facts that even your MSM has to admit.
1. Blinken and the rest of the gang going around the world trying to buy friends.
2. Daily threats to India, China and so many more and no one listening.
3. Sanctioned Venezuela now allowed to sell oil to Europe, asking sanctioned Iran to pump more oil.
4. Scholz going to Africa to reconsolidate white imperialism over black people, after the French was summarily kicked out of Niger.
5. Europe and Boss America saying people will starve, while taking grain from Ukraine much need by them for western benefit.
The list is endless, and easily read on MSM, if you are able to see through the perpetual lies.
You say JFK wanted to protect other Asians from Vietnam and cited Laos & Cambodia as threatened. The USA carpet bombed Laos and Cambodia killing 4 million people. Agent orange, sulphur bombing and so much more weapons of mass democracy, suffered by so many all over this world.
I see Asians in north America being, assaulted and killed every week. I see the Chinese recording it everyday to their people primed to fight you as before.
I see America disintegrating, collapsing with crime, decay, homelessness and so much more. Fight?
No, you will not be allowed to continue your evil ways that actually make Hitler look like a Saint. The Russians have reserved at least 70% of their power for you and me.
China has the means both economically and militarily to destroy and still survive. Keep hoping and dreaming.

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 7 2022 3:38 utc | 173

Great thread. The T-62’s in reality are for LPR/DPR defense forces to give them equipment to use to protect the lands they now have and to use as rolling pill boxes supporting RAF attacking.
Soon, Phase 3 of the Russian Operation will be to secure Odessa and crush the Ukrainian ability to threaten Russia by bringing in Armored Mechanized Infantry and Armor Divisions and unleash them to finish up destroying all Ukrainian ability to wage war again.
It will be brutal and has already started.
Here is something I wrote about the TOS-1A in action and what its TRUE effects are on Ukraine moral.
The video shows the effect of Russian technology designed for this type warfare but fought up close and nasty.
Wait until Kiev is surrounded by Russian artillery and a few TOS-1A’s are used so that every Ukrainian in Kiev can see a Flame Thrower in action.
https://meddyverse.locals.com/post/2243411/bringing-a-flame-thrower-to-a-gun-fight

Posted by: Meddy | Jun 7 2022 9:06 utc | 174

No indoor plumbing? To put that in relation: When my own daugther confronted me with the argument “there are even villages without electricity in Russia”, I said “sure, sounds logic, given the vastness of the country. In remote areas, they must use diesel generators”. And then, I showed her how many people live in Los Angeles – 60.000 homeless, the equivalent of 300 villages with 200 inhabitants; No indoor plumbing, no electric power, to name just a few of the many deficiencies. THIS is the REAL and ONLY disgrace in ths context.

Posted by: OttoE | Jun 7 2022 13:18 utc | 175

The subtext of all “Russians don’t have toilets, Russians don’t have electricity, Russians don’t have Dior” arguments is:
Russians are subhuman. We’re the Eloi; they’re the Morlocks. Therefore they can be destroyed at will, and we, unlike the Eloi, have the ability to do just that.
Plays beautifully into the American Calvinist “God loves us because we’re rich and vice versa” “morality.”
And, as OttoE points out above, the American impoverished and homeless are easily swept aside — for exactly the same reason.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 7 2022 13:44 utc | 176

And, as OttoE points out above, the American impoverished and homeless are easily swept aside — for exactly the same reason.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 7 2022 13:44 utc | 176
some very revealing comments on videos about the homeless man 3 Arizona cops let drown. basically, that he was a loser who deserved what he got, immense worshipful respect for the comps.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2022 13:48 utc | 177

cops that is.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2022 13:48 utc | 178

Arnaud Betrand
(Has been living & working in CHN for many years.)
https://twitter.censors.us/RnaudBertrand/status/1533792477248778241#m
Are we finally seeing the start of some sort of “Me Too” movement around journalists lies?
Because when it comes to China the lies have been absolutely egregious and systematic in absolutely all the major newspapers.
https://twitter.censors.us/PalmerLuckey/status/1533622885306503168#m
The Taylor Lorenz/Washington Post correction scandal isn’t the isolated incident apologists claim. When I was fired, her story said I had announced I was leaving Oculus. This was false – it wasn’t my choice nor my announcement. Her only source: Facebook PR. WaPo later
ALSO
WashingtonPost turmoil:
https://twitter.censors.us/ggreenwald/status/1533908453642620929#m

Posted by: MD | Jun 7 2022 14:52 utc | 179