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June 5, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-81
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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Wonder where Igor Kolomoisky is hiding these days? Posted by: librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 101 @ Tom_Q_Collins, oldhippie
Note that for 3/4 of the 20-some percent, it’s not a question of lacking plumbing or indoor toilets at all, but rather a question of whether one’s toilet drains into a sewage system. Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2022 22:45 utc | 102 Posted by: librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 104 Posted by: Olivier | Jun 5 2022 22:47 utc | 103 well, maybe the financial world really is fascist and no one ever talks about that.. Posted by: parisian Guy | Jun 5 2022 22:50 utc | 104 Degenerate Spain continues to hold the Catalan people against their will, with the apparent blessing of the corrupt, fascistic European Union. Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 5 2022 22:51 utc | 105 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2022 22:45 utc | 105 Posted by: watcher | Jun 5 2022 22:51 utc | 106 @watcher Posted by: Featherless | Jun 5 2022 23:02 utc | 107 Summer homes (dachas) out in the countryside often have pit latrines and everyone has a summer home, so in a way it’s a reasonable statement that a large number, perhaps a majority, of Russians own at least one residence without indoor plumbing. If someone has convinced themselves that urban complexes in major metropolitan areas operate without indoor plumbing and waste management systems — they are too dumb for you to waste your time on. Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 5 2022 23:04 utc | 108 I think that the mistake we often make in looking at this situation, in Ukraine, and the many others like it -and there are many like it: Yugoslavia was like it, Malaya was like it, Northern Ireland was, so was Cyprus and so was Palestine…it is all part of the worlds of Woodrow Wilson and imperial ‘divide and rule’-is to see it as a natural phenomenon, rooted in history. Posted by: K | Jun 5 2022 23:10 utc | 109 Holy fuck, out-houses for toilets. In Russia. That’s fucking news, 80% of Canadians reserves, where the ‘natives’ are warehoused don’t have clean potable water and are under constant boil water advisories. Next we’ll hear that a run on TP in Russia has increased demand for antique Sears Roebuck catalogues. Remember to crinkle the shiny pages….softer on the bum. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 5 2022 23:45 utc | 110 2021 Plan targeting faulty septic systems in parts of Russian River watershed revised, finalized Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 6 2022 0:27 utc | 111 Re: Sean the Leprechaum, @113, Posted by: Kadath | Jun 6 2022 1:01 utc | 112 The toilet talk and how poor and pathetic Russians are at the beginning of the war was over the top disgusting. Posted by: OhhCanada | Jun 6 2022 2:03 utc | 113 I guess I can be forgiven for thinking this thread was “shit”… 🙂 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 2:40 utc | 114 This has been an enlightening expose of the pressing issue of toilets and whether sewerage connectivity denotes 1st or 3rd world status. Where else delves so deeply into such pressing topics? Posted by: Organic | Jun 6 2022 2:44 utc | 115 The pros and cons of longdrop vs french tickler…. A mate of mine would not drink river water when he was young because fish pissed in it. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 2:44 utc | 116 I own two houses in murica. Neither one is connected to a sewer system. Posted by: Nook | Jun 6 2022 2:52 utc | 117 Posted by: librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 104 Posted by: fanto | Jun 6 2022 3:09 utc | 118 Sorry to change the subject. Looks like another game-changer is on the way to Ukraine… Posted by: dh | Jun 6 2022 3:10 utc | 119 Posted by: dh | Jun 6 2022 3:10 utc | 122 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 3:16 utc | 120 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 3:16 utc | 123 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2022 3:33 utc | 121 The three latest Gonzalo Lira videos… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 3:37 utc | 122 Of course, I wonder what the condition of Russian toilet waste has to do with which side is in the right in the current SMO. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2022 3:39 utc | 123 Sorry for turning this thread into shit. Posted by: K | Jun 6 2022 3:48 utc | 124 @123 “The UK government has not confirmed how many weapons will be sent, but the BBC understands it will be three initially.” Posted by: dh | Jun 6 2022 4:05 utc | 125 @ parisian Guy | Jun 5 2022 22:50 utc | 107 Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 4:15 utc | 126 Sorry for reposting, but lost overview which thread is on topic: Posted by: njet | Jun 6 2022 5:11 utc | 127 @68 and @87, re: Ukraine’s first post-coup governors in March 2014 were oligarchs appointed by the new government whose PM Yatsenyuk had been selected by the US (“Yats is the guy,” per V. Nuland). NY Times doesn’t mention Yats til 6th parag., says idea of calling in oligarch’s was someone else’s, names were announced by pres. office but Yats/US were likely involved in selections–esp. those in E. Ukraine since this was a US government obtained via violent coup planned for 2 yrs. Two key Eastern Ukraine governorships were given to Sergei Taruta in Donetsk and Ihor Kolomoysky in Dnipropetrovsk. US policy for the East was that it remain under constant attack, so it’s likely the governors awarded Eastern regions were down with the program….3/2/2014, “Ukraine Turns to Its Oligarchs for Political Help,“ NY Times, Andrew E. Kramer, Kiev, Ukraine Posted by: susan mullen | Jun 6 2022 5:28 utc | 128 Tom_Q_Collins, the easiest response is to fight fire with fire. Here, use an ensconced liberal source to degrade perceptions of the USA. This Guardian story touches upon Hookworm making a comeback in the SouthEast of the USA because of raw sewage dumping due to incompetence & corruption, again. Posted by: JR whenDallasdreamt | Jun 6 2022 5:34 utc | 129 The Japanese government is rotten, but the toilet is very clean. Posted by: Nosuhiri | Jun 6 2022 6:17 utc | 130 From Der Spiegel International… Frankly, it’s because they don’t want Zircons landing in the Chancellor’s office, but they’re also afraid to admit it.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 6:29 utc | 131 @lex talionis | Jun 5 2022 20:53 utc | 76
LOL hilarious, thank you for that!! Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2022 6:30 utc | 132 @malenkov | Jun 5 2022 22:45 utc | 105
Not only in Russia, I guess I live a very primitive life on the edge of existence, because my toilet(s) do not drain into a sewage system, but a septic tank (and I live close to a city). I do have 500/500 Mbit/s fiber though, lots of incoming s***t. Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2022 6:49 utc | 133 Michael Tracey has been talking recently about the (very obvious) comparisons with Vietnam, which was, as everyone has now forgotten, ‘the liberals’ war’. Posted by: Hidari | Jun 6 2022 6:59 utc | 134 > as they say, ‘without bills’) Posted by: Arioch | Jun 6 2022 7:09 utc | 135 > Posted by: bevin | Jun 5 2022 18:56 utc | 52 Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 7:23 utc | 136 This Semi-OldGuy is fairly proficient at computer coding and problem solving. I am not good at deciphering political gobblygook and world news. Okay. that being said, are we at the precipice of a third world war? Posted by: Semi-OldGuy | Jun 6 2022 7:24 utc | 137 The UK follows along like the faithful lapdog it’s always been as the USA’s bitch in sending rocket systems to Ukraine. But only really as a distraction from the Tory’s appalling conduct on everything else. Posted by: Vragtes | Jun 6 2022 8:25 utc | 138 Semi-OldGuy @ 140 Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 6 2022 8:27 utc | 139 librul | Jun 5 2022 22:43 utc | 104
A: Israel. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 8:36 utc | 140 Semi-OldGuy | Jun 6 2022 7:24 utc | 140 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 8:43 utc | 141 … How Hunter Biden’s Interests ‘Overlapped’ With Banned Ukrainian Oligarch ….. Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 9:07 utc | 142 Reading only slightly between the lines, it looks like there are still persons of interest at large in Mariupol. Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 9:08 utc | 143 Last I was in Kiev no one drank the tap water. While it may have been technically potable, no one believed that it was. I doubt things have changed much since then, for the better anyway. Clothes washers were a luxury item and many city dwellers lacked one. No one I knew had a drier. Never saw a laundromat. Public toilets were nasty and to be avoided. Outhouse at the dacha much preferred. Same in Russia. Rural Ukraine is the same as rural Russia as far as amenities goes. Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 9:24 utc | 144 Who put Sakashvilli in charge of Odessa oblast? Poroshenko maybe. When he was in charge there I heard the US paid his salary. There is nothing good to say about the Ukrainian political class. After 2014 ‘right’ people were imported from Estonia and other Baltic stated, given Ukrainian citizenship and government posts. The ‘corrupt’ prosecutor whom Biden demanded to be removed was a career professional with a reasonable record. The replacement had no legitimate professional experience and had been convicted of corruption. Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 9:34 utc | 145
Alastair Crooke, Al Mayadeen 5 Jun 2022 Posted by: António Ferrão | Jun 6 2022 9:59 utc | 146 @ 1 Bevin Posted by: c | Jun 6 2022 10:00 utc | 147 It’s frustrating to whatch Military Summary, meanwhile for me the most important source about the state of the war, and to realize how slowly the allied forces gain territory, if any, and how – especially- the Ukrainians are still able to bomb civilians in Donetsk 7/24, and how irrelevant the Russian air supremacy seems to be. Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jun 6 2022 10:03 utc | 148 Re: Igor Kolomoisky
I have now noticed that Ukrainians have started blurring the background of indoor photographs. Only criminals need to cover their tracks. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2022 10:07 utc | 149 Posted by: Arioch | Jun 5 2022 22:21 utc | 98 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:11 utc | 150 Posted by: Paul | Jun 5 2022 22:12 utc | 96 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:13 utc | 151 Speaking of MH17, I’ve been wondering if the SMO would turn up any new information on it, or if it will forever remain relegated to the realm of speculation. Kiev was the primary beneficiary and the party that blocked timely and effective investigation. Kolomoisky is certainly amoral enough to have been involved. Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 10:16 utc | 152 Posted by: c | Jun 6 2022 10:00 utc | 149 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:26 utc | 153 The European Union and the Euro
Carlos Cravalhas, 28 May 2022 Posted by: António Ferrão | Jun 6 2022 10:31 utc | 154 Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 6 2022 9:34 utc | 148 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 10:32 utc | 155 China reported that Russia destroyed in Kiev the tanks sent by NATO. Posted by: Surferket | Jun 6 2022 10:41 utc | 156 Posted by: Surferket | Jun 6 2022 10:41 utc | 157 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 11:05 utc | 157 This website is for Kremlin bots and anti West clowns. FU sideways, idiots. Posted by: Myroslav Druzhenko | Jun 6 2022 11:14 utc | 158 Posted by: Myroslav Druzhenko | Jun 6 2022 11:14 utc | 159 Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | Jun 6 2022 11:18 utc | 159 @ CM of Berlin | Jun 6 2022 10:03 utc | 150 Posted by: whirlX | Jun 6 2022 11:19 utc | 160 Re 155 Paul greenwood Posted by: c | Jun 6 2022 11:25 utc | 161 A lot of talk out there about Russia getting bogged down. I don’t see it that way. I’ve said before that I think Russia is following established Russian military doctrine: frontal assaults paired with pincers. The cauldron in the east is real, and is drawing more and more of the Ukrainian military into it, on the illusory hope Russia can be defeated. Posted by: line islands | Jun 6 2022 11:40 utc | 162 RSH@158…confirmed hit on the train tunnel….still waiting for pics….see any? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 6 2022 11:52 utc | 163 https://thesaker.is/japans-perceptions-of-the-propaganda-regarding-the-smo/ Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2022 12:40 utc | 164 c@147 Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 13:39 utc | 165 RE: The generosity of Spaniard Arms contributions to the Ukraine debacle: Posted by: KVegasPatriot | Jun 6 2022 13:44 utc | 166 Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2022 10:07 utc | 149 (+ others) Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 15:01 utc | 167 The two Ukraines. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 6 2022 15:03 utc | 168 re Japan and toilets: Using the facilities at Narita Airport is one of life’s best PG-rated pleasures. Jets of soapy warm water! The Japanese must find us barbarians for using paper, which does a poor job of cleaning. But yes, the Japanese save their filth for their political class. Posted by: malenkov | Jun 6 2022 15:06 utc | 169 México with AMLO is at the forefront of the Spanish world, not everybody is invited to the summit therefore I won’t go, that is a great victory and a warning, a long frontier with land claims and mixed populations, a Ukraine right at the border. Bravo AMLO, follow the steps of the greatest, Castro, El Che, Sandino, Pancho Villa who defeated the ballyhooed Patton. Posted by: Paco | Jun 6 2022 16:11 utc | 170 I live in the good ol’ USA and I am not connected to the sewer system either. I have a septic tank like a whole lot of other people around here. I guess we are living proof of a backward society. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 6 2022 16:19 utc | 171 @149 Peter Krohn – Thank you for that collection of photos. For those interested in the MH17 incident, Kees van der Pijl wrote a great book on the sad subject. Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 6 2022 16:40 utc | 172 Hidari@134, Great thread. The T-62’s in reality are for LPR/DPR defense forces to give them equipment to use to protect the lands they now have and to use as rolling pill boxes supporting RAF attacking. No indoor plumbing? To put that in relation: When my own daugther confronted me with the argument “there are even villages without electricity in Russia”, I said “sure, sounds logic, given the vastness of the country. In remote areas, they must use diesel generators”. And then, I showed her how many people live in Los Angeles – 60.000 homeless, the equivalent of 300 villages with 200 inhabitants; No indoor plumbing, no electric power, to name just a few of the many deficiencies. THIS is the REAL and ONLY disgrace in ths context. Posted by: OttoE | Jun 7 2022 13:18 utc | 175 The subtext of all “Russians don’t have toilets, Russians don’t have electricity, Russians don’t have Dior” arguments is: Posted by: malenkov | Jun 7 2022 13:44 utc | 176 And, as OttoE points out above, the American impoverished and homeless are easily swept aside — for exactly the same reason. Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2022 13:48 utc | 177 Arnaud Betrand Posted by: MD | Jun 7 2022 14:52 utc | 179 |
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