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June 30, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-100
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The current open thread for other issues is here.
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on Kaliningrad Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 1 2022 3:06 utc | 101 Kurki @61 Posted by: polarbear4 | Jul 1 2022 3:22 utc | 102 Don Bacon #96
Thank you. I must admit that I was reasoning on the assumption that demining was nowadays carried out by rubber dingy, maybe sonar etc and a diver to place a destructive charge on the mines before exiting the water asap. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 3:38 utc | 103 Don Bacon #101
I took a peek at a topographical and road map of Lithuania, Kaliningrad, Belarus and see a fair chunk of Lithuanian land that Russia might resume to ensure the necessities of liberty, life, commerce and wellbeing are guaranteed to its citizens in Kaliningrad. That will certainly focus the attention of the clowns. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 3:54 utc | 105 re: We have met the enemy and he is US. Posted by: JR | Jul 1 2022 4:10 utc | 106 Comment from https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel on Snakes Island…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 4:59 utc | 107 @ uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 3:54 utc | 105 Posted by: Don Bacon | Jul 1 2022 4:59 utc | 108 Somewhat of a letdown after all the Summits. The West’s mediocrity was displayed in blazing glory and revealed the Naked Master in all its righteous humiliation not knowing it’s so blatantly unclad. Here is an interview that enables John Mearsheimer to clearly and comprehensively set out his recall of the history of idiot USA-NATO shenanigans that led to this war.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 5:04 utc | 110 Interesting comment from Rybar Telegram channel on the influence of Ukrainian-Americans on the upcoming US elections… Remember how Ukrainian-American Democratic Party operatives were instrumental in the “Russiagate” hoax about Russians hacking the DNC with the cooperation of the Ukrainian Embassy.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 5:23 utc | 111 Don Bacon #108
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 5:26 utc | 112
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 5:29 utc | 113 That should be the South Western expanse of Lith… Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 5:29 utc | 114 I seem to remember that Nord stream 1 is closing for ten days in July for maintenance. We must wonder if it will reopen again, after the shutdown period, due to logistics problems, caused by the blocking of rail traffic to Kaliningrad! Posted by: Ric G | Jul 1 2022 5:30 utc | 115 A contribution to the Suwalki Gap discussion…from Wikipedia which has an entry:
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 5:35 utc | 116 Global Security analysis of the Suwalki Gap… Again, I have no opinion. But I don’t see any commentary here about the effect of Russian stand-off weapons, which in my view would be decisive in disrupting any NATO operations in the area and thus significantly aiding any Russian-Belorussian advance in this area. In other words, they’re gonna need a lot more than seven brigades to hold this area against a full-scale Russian attack.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 5:45 utc | 117 This article from Military Review discusses the application of cluster bombs in the event of a Russian attack through the Suwalki Gap:
He then goes on to discuss the use of cluster munitions as a counterbalance.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 5:51 utc | 118 National Interest article from 2021:
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 5:55 utc | 119 Just launched a new op-ed: “The war in Ukraine, and the future of Europe”. The key message is that the EU faces a dilemma. The choice is to break with Washington and join Eurasia, or perish. See: Posted by: Paul-Robert | Jul 1 2022 6:21 utc | 120 @101 Posted by: rk | Jul 1 2022 6:32 utc | 121 The only reason to own it is to put a retirement home on it … Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2022 6:47 utc | 122 Ukraine distances itself from her ambassadors statement: Posted by: Andreas | Jul 1 2022 7:20 utc | 123 Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2022 6:47 utc | 122 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 7:23 utc | 124 Couldn’t get too many on there Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2022 7:38 utc | 125 Ukraine distances itself from her ambassadors statement: Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 7:44 utc | 126 On the matter of Snake Island…and Odessa…let’s see if Ukraine would demine… All of a sudden the wheat export problem appears to go off the western MSM…and downplaying the value of the Snake island… Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 7:48 utc | 127 As mentioned above, Snake “island”, actually a rock, belongs to Romania but there is always a ranking of US slaves. Romania is below Ukr they simply lost the island years ago. Posted by: rk | Jul 1 2022 7:51 utc | 128 Look, a new slave rank was made visible today. Poland too is below Ukr. Posted by: rk | Jul 1 2022 8:07 utc | 129 For those interested in a long yarn-up on Ukraine and Jacob Dreizin here is a good 2 hour session with host Viva Frei along with Robert Barnes. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 8:24 utc | 130 The whole story that Russia does not allow grain to be exported from Odessa, which provokes world hunger, is artificial and far-fetched. Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 8:35 utc | 131 @ Worried Guesy #72 Posted by: Beibdnn | Jul 1 2022 8:42 utc | 132 Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2022 7:38 utc | 125 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jul 1 2022 8:45 utc | 133 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 8:24 utc | 130 Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 8:47 utc | 134 British defence secretary Ben Wallace informs us:
I agree on 1939 Poland. Just like then, they found a pawn that is eager to sacrifice itself for the anglo empire. Anyway, slava Ukraini! Posted by: aquileia | Jul 1 2022 8:52 utc | 135 Benny is often high, just like Bojo and Zelly. Or his parents are brothers. The video with those Russian pranksters is gold and I hope to see the uncesored version some day Posted by: rk | Jul 1 2022 9:04 utc | 136 Here Old Nick (the devil) himself Henry Kissinger, states that there are three ways the conflict in Ukraine could end. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 1 2022 9:21 utc | 137 It looks like Turkey will now up its persecution of the Kurds in Turkey and Northern Syria, now that Sweden and Finland have pulled back on critcising Turkish treatment of them, and in exchange the way has been cleared for both countries to join Nato. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 1 2022 9:31 utc | 138 Mariupol today, 1st of July, Rebuilding and people… https://youtu.be/K6-0fQKgmwA Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 9:32 utc | 139 And why shouldn’t Russia use Western UN laws to its own advantage to protect its people. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 1 2022 9:36 utc | 140 @uncle tungsten | Jul 1 2022 5:26 utc | 112
When looking at Google and Yandex maps I see some kind of road running parrellel to the Polish border all the way between Kaliningrad oblast and the Polish-Byelorussian border, never more than 1km east of it on Lithuanian territory. I understand it as a military road. Of course, capture of Suvalky gap would be risky, and transports could be shelled from any side, Polish, Lithuanian, even midrange missiles from the Baltic Sea. I do not consider that an option other than cutting NATO supplies to the Baltic shitholes in case of a war. Let’s hope that there will be none of that kind. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 1 2022 9:38 utc | 141 A person with a positive outlook in Kharkov…https://youtu.be/srG1Nqcz4CU Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 9:51 utc | 142 The Lysychansk cauldron; Posted by: Stonebird | Jul 1 2022 9:58 utc | 143 Having a bit of a time for a song on the way to Lysichansk…https://youtu.be/-bXLzBJjdXs Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 10:06 utc | 144 … wanted to give a opnion how all this NATO bullshit has happened here. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2022 10:55 utc | 146 “I understand the place Suwalki Gap is within a mountain range with multiple rivers and lakes and appears to have no direct constructed road of any significance let alone simple widening capability. I get that it is a place name rather than an access north to south. An indicative map”. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 1 2022 11:17 utc | 147 Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine as of 12.00 on July 1, 2022 Posted by: nona | Jul 1 2022 11:20 utc | 148 In response to rk@121, Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 1 2022 11:31 utc | 149 Via REMINISCENCE OF THE FUTURE comment by LarchMonster445 Posted by: MD | Jul 1 2022 11:49 utc | 150 Its always better to listen carefully to what Putin says. He doesn’t shout, or mince words. Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 12:18 utc | 151 Fog of war…A Russian attack has also killed another 17 people in an apartment complex in Odessa. And dozens of tons of grain have been destroyed, according to Ukrainian sources. Etc. Probably this has to do with the “retreat” from Snake Island. Posted by: Jonathan W | Jul 1 2022 12:20 utc | 152 @149 Posted by: rk | Jul 1 2022 12:20 utc | 153 Posted by: MD | Jul 1 2022 11:49 utc | 150 Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 12:29 utc | 154 …according to Ukrainian sources. Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 12:31 utc | 155 Usually, the Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles fall on their own buildings… Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 12:35 utc | 156
Panic would start around 17-18th July in the West… Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 12:49 utc | 157 @ostro | Jul 1 2022 12:49 utc | 158 Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2022 13:01 utc | 158 I have an additional rumor concerning Ukrainian grain which has floated around Russian political programs. Namely that Ukrainian figures for available grain exports are inflated by something like 300%, so that even in the event that ports and other infrastructure becomes available for transport of grain, Ukraine will be forced to renege on 2/3 of deliveries which have already been paid for in part or in full. Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 1 2022 13:07 utc | 159 @Skiffer | Jul 1 2022 13:07 utc | 160 Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2022 13:12 utc | 160 ECB meets to set interest rates 21 July. Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 13:17 utc | 161 https://svpressa.ru/war21/a… Posted by: Tom_12 | Jul 1 2022 13:23 utc | 162 … One thing is sure, the “international Community” would, like “un seul homme”, immediately recognize the cession of the Snake Island to England. Should I remind you of Kosovo? … Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2022 13:29 utc | 163 Of course the nazi interest in the island is equally inexplicable from my point of view. Posted by: Ed Nelson | Jul 1 2022 13:46 utc | 164 Excerpts from an active duty Russian special forces officer:
Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | Jul 1 2022 13:49 utc | 165 Excerpts from an active duty Russian special forces officer (remove the spaces to use the url):
Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | Jul 1 2022 13:50 utc | 166 … Snake Island would make an excellent place for a prison, a-la Alcatraz. Filling it with PoWs would make it much more defensible. Posted by: anon2020 | Jul 1 2022 13:57 utc | 167 Well, well, well Such back-room machinations make NATO look like more of a protection racket than a community of values. Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 13:57 utc | 168 @ 166 Posted by: rk | Jul 1 2022 14:06 utc | 169 2 random items Posted by: ptb | Jul 1 2022 14:08 utc | 170 Bloke from block 8 @166
Excellent, this will give the Ukrainians complete buzzword superiority on the battlefield. Posted by: aquileia | Jul 1 2022 14:13 utc | 171 Odessa today. Calm and beautiful. https://youtu.be/AiqGiXSYe-M Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 14:34 utc | 172 @rk #121 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 1 2022 14:44 utc | 173 Direct broadcast from an observation point camouflaged as a nest of white storks (Ciconia ciconia) on the Polish-Belarus border. As long as stork drones look in different directions, nothing is happening. Posted by: tRI | Jul 1 2022 14:49 utc | 175 According to the spiegel Lithuania is disciplined, Germany pays the EU bill: Posted by: gary | Jul 1 2022 14:51 utc | 176 @Republicofscotland #138
The Kurds are apparently slow learners. Posted by: c1ue | Jul 1 2022 15:01 utc | 177 @Bloke from block 8 #166 Posted by: c1ue | Jul 1 2022 15:04 utc | 178 Another clearer video of the Kremenchug shopping center from a few days ago. (btw from this angle, it’s more like a mid-sized multi-occupant commercial/retail building, than a full-sized “shopping mall”). The back of the building is burning, glass broken in the front. Limited drama. Parking lot on the far side of the fence (ie parking attached to the building in question) not looking very busy. Posted by: ptb | Jul 1 2022 15:11 utc | 179 but this kind-of says it all Posted by: ptb | Jul 1 2022 15:17 utc | 180 Letzte Meldung : Russland zieht sich von Odessa zurück ! Posted by: Martina | Jul 1 2022 15:25 utc | 181 The Kurds are apparently slow learners. Posted by: Arganthonios | Jul 1 2022 15:29 utc | 182 And here’s the (approximately) 18-months-out natural gas futures — which for the most part actually do reflect prices paid Posted by: ptb | Jul 1 2022 15:31 utc | 183 @ Kurki | Jun 30 2022 21:48 utc | 61 and tigger Posted by: james | Jul 1 2022 15:44 utc | 185 Since June 18, the Germans have been putting pressure on the European Commission so that Kaliningrad does not fall under sanctions,” said a Lithuanian official familiar with the negotiations. Now Lithuania is wondering whether the Bundeswehr troops stationed on its territory as part of the NATO mission are ready to protect the country Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jul 1 2022 15:48 utc | 186 smoke machines in Crimea Posted by: too scents | Jul 1 2022 15:59 utc | 187 The absurdity of the sanction’s argument is very clear when one recalls that they are illegal–how do you go about enforcing something that’s illegal? Well, you don’t unless you want to become a fool. And that’s what we have–A NATO/EU full of fools having 100% disregard for the law they swore to uphold, which in this case are their nation’s treaty commitments. The scales of justice are not on the West’s side and the watching world knows that very well. And that brings us to Lithuania’s servitude to its master the Outlaw US Empire in an action that even Germany objects to, “Germany angry over Kaliningrad blockade – media: Berlin is reportedly demanding that Lithuania allow the transit of sanctioned goods through its territory to the Russian exclave.”
All of this is due to the EU trying to enforce an illegal act that breaks the treaties its members all signed–the UN Charter. What holds sway in Europe now is Pirate Law–no respect for anything. Which is to say law no longer exists within the EU. Re: Snake Island Posted by: Rob | Jul 1 2022 16:05 utc | 190 Germany is not going to die for Lithuania, or for the other 2 Baltic countries… Posted by: ostro | Jul 1 2022 16:05 utc | 191 regarding this ”snake island” thread… Posted by: james | Jul 1 2022 16:11 utc | 192 In response to Rob@190, Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 1 2022 16:13 utc | 193 British PM Boris Johnson on radio news saying that Russian forces were forced to flee Snake Island, talk about spinning the truth. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 1 2022 16:19 utc | 194 Problem with the Lithuanian Nazi shithole amok is that it would result in either a naval blockade of Lithuanian harbours, or an occupation of the Suvalky gap, or both. Both would be likely to trigger Art.5 NATO treaty, unless the other NATO members refuse on grounds that Lithuania intentionally and illegally provoqued that response. And the legal issue is clear: Transit traffic is inner Russian traffic covered by international treaties Lithuania breaks. So the grounds for Art.5 are weak. But a military intervention by Russia would humiliate NATO to an extent that they could feel forced to respond though. Personally I would have said that the naval blockade would be the better option: it is no more hostile than sanctioning, and would cripple Lithuania which has a LNG (Klaipeda), and an oil terminal. They would lose any energy shipment that way. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 1 2022 16:19 utc | 195 Global Times published an angry yet measured editorial related to its being illegally sanctioned over its alleged help given to Russia.
The Outlaw US Empire is no longer the world’s strongest nation. Neoliberal Parasite misgovernance since Carter has hollowed-out its real economy, its real GDP $10 Trillion less than claimed, its $800 Billion/yr military woefully mediocre, essentially a hose spewing corruption to grease all the right wheels. @ Republicofscotland | Jul 1 2022 16:19 utc | 194 Posted by: james | Jul 1 2022 16:29 utc | 197 In Sweden, Swedish law is applied by independent courts. Swedish citizens are not extradited. Non-Swedish citizens can be extradited at the request of other countries, but only if it is compatible with Swedish law and the European Convention,” Justice Minister Morgan Johansson said in a written statement to AFP. Posted by: hankster | Jul 1 2022 16:31 utc | 198 @ karlof1 | Jul 1 2022 16:29 utc | 196 quote – Posted by: james | Jul 1 2022 16:32 utc | 199 aquadraht @195– |
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