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June 14, 2022

Ukraine - Killing Surrendering Soldiers, Shelling Civilians

At 8:30 UTC today I checked the priorities of the day on major U.S. news websites.

  • On the New York Times homepage the word "Trump" appeared 10 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
  • On the Washington Post homepage the word "Trump" appeared 12 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
  • On the Wall Street Journal homepage the word "Trump" appeared 9 times, "Ukraine" appeared 3 times.

The Google Trends graph for Ukraine has fallen to near zero.


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This is a problem because it takes pressure off the Biden administration to negotiate with Russia over Ukraine and the future security architecture in Europe.

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Today's daily 'clobber list' by the Russian Ministry of Defense includes an additional chapter taken from the verbal briefing:

I would like to note that in recent weeks, incidents involving the shooting of Ukrainian servicemen in the back by nationalist units have become more frequent in areas of military operations.

Thus, after a fire preparation for an attack by Russian troops near Novomikhailovka in Donetsk People's Republic, more than 30 servicemen of the 25th Battalion of the 54th Mechanized Brigade of the AFU decided to lay down their arms and surrender.

Ukrainian servicemen occupying a stronghold near Zvioroferma asked the Russian unit command via radio to cease fire and provide a corridor for exit.

Around 10 p.m., AFU servicemen with white flags began moving towards Russian positions.

At that moment, a Ukrainian nationalist barrier unit arrived at the stronghold in armored vehicles and opened crossfire in the back on the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

As a result of this shooting, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed.

This incident, as well as many others like it, clearly demonstrates that amid growing military failures and demoralization of Ukrainian troops, the Kiev nationalist regime is trying to stop the retreat and surrender of its units by punitive actions of barrier squads.

I have seen no evidence that supports the details of the above incident. But there have been public reports that somewhat prominent people who are opposed to the war or criticize the Zelenski regime get picked up the Ukrainian SBU (the former KGB) or some 'nationalist', ie. fascist  goons to then vanish. It is thereby not astonishing to read that similar events, on a likely larger scale, are happening at the frontline of the war.

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The Ukrainian artillery is said to fire only 6,000 rounds per day for lack artillery ammunition. Yesterday 300 projectiles were fired by the Ukrainian army or by 'nationalists' onto civilian areas of 'rebel' held city of Donetsk. There were at lest 7 dead and 22 wounded. Graham Phillips provides a video report of the impacts and damage (vid). To use 5% of the daily ammunition ration to terrorize civilians in Donetsk is not only despicable but dumb as those artillery troops will now receive intensified attention they deserve.

Levi @Levi_godman - 11:42 UTC · Jun 14, 2022
❗️The DPR asks Russia to use additional Iskanders and aircraft to destroy the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Meanwhile Russia is providing a humanitarian corridor for civilians and surrendering Ukrainian troops who leave the Azot chemical plant in Severodonetsk. The scheme is similar to the corridors at the Azov steelworks in Mariupol where it worked well.

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Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 23:43 utc | 284

You are describing a ploutocratic oligarchy. It is based on corruption to get the money to be elected. If I am not mistaken, the elected president in the US is the one who could collect the most money. Is there an exception?

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 15 2022 0:23 utc | 301

@213 265 re "civilian infrastructure"

According to the Geneva Conventions since 1947, intentionally destroying infrastructure crucial for the civilian population, such as dams, water supply, heating, and power generation, is a war crime. That was not that clearly laid down during WWII when it was already valid according to the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, but not specified for aerial war (as Germany blocked such a convention in 1927 and later).

In every war, civilian population enjoys, theoretically, some protection. "Some" means that civilians getting in the way of fighting forces are usually out of luck. If soldiers or other militants keep civilians in the range of fighting, the opponent has every right to strike no matter whether civilians in the enemy area are hit. But any deliberate targeting of civilians is a war crime, even more all and each of the tactics of the Ukrainian fascists. Holding civilians as "human shields" is not only a war crime, but outright terrorism. That is what the AFU does.

Western wars since 1945 mostly qualified as monstrous war crimes. The Korean war was a war of annihilation of large parts of the Korean populace, the Vietnam and Indochina wars of the 60s and 70s no less. And it went on.

It may be weird for a troll like Citizenfitz et alii, but the Russians do not want to massacre Ukrainians, not even those deluded by fascism. They are considering them as their kin, not "nyeliudi" (subhumans) as ukrofascists and westerners consider Russians and East Ukrainians.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 15 2022 0:25 utc | 302

@CHIP POIROT @ 11

Chip I agree with you completely . I am ALL FOR ukrrainian troops shooting each other if they think they have a good reason to. I think they should EXPAND the prcactice and open fire on any of those cowards who MIGHT be thinking of surrendering. Love your show and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter

Posted by: The Little Sultan | Jun 15 2022 0:26 utc | 303

What a hoot! Constituents of the EU, in a desperate search to be ... how'd Michel put it? oh yes, "to be a geopolitical power" ... have enlarged ECJ jurisdiction to encompass a "third country" that is not party to either the TEU or the TFEU.

Court finds Russian ‘foreign agents’ law violates human rights convention (not to be confused with either war-time "media" prohibition enforced by the EC, informations service provider "content" labeling and censure, or totally legit US Foreign Agents Registration Act (1938 et seq.), because Reasons®)

The European Court of Human Rights sided with 73 Russian organizations impacted by the regulation, finding the law impedes the work of civil society groups and violates freedom of expression.

The controversial bill, which passed the Russian Parliament in the summer of 2012 with overwhelming support, is widely seen as a response to protests following Vladimir Putin’s return to the presidency the same year. Initially, the bill applied to nongovernmental organizations that engaged in political activity and received financial support from abroad. Its reach has since been expanded to media outlets as well. The law requires such groups to declare in all of their communications and publications that they are “foreign agents,” a Soviet-era term referring to Western spies.
[...]
The seven-judge panel concluded Tuesday the legislation made it difficult for groups to fundraise and hampered their work.

“The cumulative effect of these restrictions – whether by design or effect – is a legal regime that places a significant ‘chilling effect’ on the choice to seek or accept any amount of foreign funding, however insignificant, in a context where opportunities for domestic funding are rather limited,” the court’s Third Section wrote.


LOL! Sanctions madness, will that ever get old?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2022 0:26 utc | 304

THEN...
CHange the government structure to one like that of HK with a Governor appointed in Beijing
AND....
Imprison the whole separatist lot..

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 15 2022 0:17 utc | 294

Eminently practical. One of the few, occasional virtues of unshackled tyranny, the wishes of the native people entirely out of any consideration or relevance.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 15 2022 0:31 utc | 305

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War. Quite the yarn spun around pirate booty enforced by Athenian, ahem, democrats. No traps or plot holes.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2022 0:35 utc | 306

Don, karlof1, malenkov

This question of democracy... first thing that is needed is accurately informed voters.
Media that actually produces news rather than propaganda. Political donations must also be transparent so voters know what entity owns the candidate.
Without those two things, there can be no democracy.

To me, that is why there is no democracy in the Anglo European west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2022 0:46 utc | 307

the government structure to one like that of HK with a Governor
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 15 2022 0:31 utc | 301

Good read which you might appreciate. The Imperfect Legacy: Defects in the British Legal System in Colonial Hong Kong right up to when China repossess its property.

Also illuminating tale for all you ZIONIST Neo-Nazi Ito watchers out there, Port of Last Resort

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2022 0:46 utc | 308

Why aren't two projectiles being sent into Kiev for every one that lands in Donetsk?

Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 17:08 utc | 43

Why??????

The answer is UAF war criminals hide behind innocent civilians and children. Continue to use civilians as meat shields. Use shopping malls, places of any worship(all religions), schools(all) and hospitals(all). To park pr hide the rapidly declining number of war toys/fuel/munitions. Whilst knowing the defined foes adhere strictly to the Geneva War Conventions.

Unlike, the war crimes committed daily by Yankee Armies. In any continent or area of military operation or occupation troops from 1775 on wards......

And who taught that bad deeds done daily is good. As one more dead civilian man/woman or child is just one less to be defined as a future terrorist. For the USSA occupying troops to fight at a later date.

The answer is all the military trainers who call Fort Bragg home base.................

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 15 2022 0:47 utc | 309

Biden suspends sanctions? What a wimp.

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/russia_gl8c.pdf

Posted by: dh | Jun 15 2022 0:54 utc | 310

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jun 15 2022 0:03 utc | 290

CORN! I see corn everywhere across the time space continuum

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2022 0:56 utc | 311

Hell, Russians and Chinese enjoy more democracy than us and Europeans, but you can't convince ignorant people controlled by The Narrative.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:38 utc | 256

At least those governments are supported by their people. It is not the case in western countries where individualism and egoism reign.


It may be weird for a troll like Citizenfitz et alii, but the Russians do not want to massacre Ukrainians, not even those deluded by fascism. They are considering them as their kin, not "nyeliudi" (subhumans) as ukrofascists and westerners consider Russians and East Ukrainians.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 15 2022 0:25 utc | 298

Yes, and the nazis who committed crimes and/or war crimes will face a court and a judgment. Today 32 Ukrainian soldiers who were surrendering were killed by the nazis. Before surrendering it would be better for them to turn their weapons against the nazis and then surrender safely.

Xavier Moreau is saying that it is the first time in history that one side is taking hostages and human shields inside their own population. Even German nazis did not do that. Or do we have to think that the Ukrainian army is on a foreign territory? What a confession!

Citizenfitz published on his blog a poem for the memory of a nazi woman soldier who posted a stupid video. Stupid video because she received what she was advertising for others. Boum! Never insult the future.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 15 2022 1:00 utc | 312

@Posted by: dh | Jun 15 2022 0:54 utc | 306

Looks like its just related to transactions related to energy, attempting to loosen up global energy markets between now and the mid-terms (the changes expire at the end of 2022).

Russia should respond with "oil and uranium for rubles", don't give the US elites an inch.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 15 2022 1:01 utc | 313

1. Bring an official resolution to the UN with proof that the shelling in the Donbas and Luhansk regions coupled with the human rights violations was primarily the fault of Ukraine;
2. Request the presence of international monitors in the Donbas and Luhansk regions;
3. Continue the game of making the US look foolish by not invading Ukraine;
4. Threaten to bomb Ukrainian forces if they sought to invade DPR and LPR by force;
5. Continue diplomatic pressure to split NATO;

1 - Already did that, nobody on the UNSC cared. Also Minsk I and II were ignored.

2 - OSCE already had monitors there. They were suspected by citizens of having nefarious purposes, but regardless they recorded the shelling and made public reports.

3 - At what point could they have invaded Ukraine given that the US was preventing negotiations and the Ukrainians, with UKUSNATO help were preparing a major offensive on the region. It was imminent when Russia took action.

4 - They were going to start with a massive artillery assault followed by an invasion at which point a lot of people would have already been dead.

5 - LOL yeah right.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 15 2022 1:03 utc | 314

Promises Made Promises Kept. It was a slogan said at the rallies and it happened to be true.

Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 14 2022 18:42 utc | 97

LOL, ok if you say so. Trump deported more people than the Deporter in Chief? Trump presided over an American auto industry that was increasing at a faster rate than under the Deporter in Chief? The answer to both of those is either "NO" or "only if you really twist the facts to fit a conclusion."

So what else did Trump promise which was delivered? Did ya know they're still building the border walls?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 15 2022 1:05 utc | 315

@309 Well that's one way to look at it. Looks like the start of capitulation to me. Joe is obviously a Putinbot.

Posted by: dh | Jun 15 2022 1:10 utc | 316

Posted by: morongobill | Jun 14 2022 23:40 utc | 281

Thanks for that.

GPO was the “General Post Office”, the pre-privatisation UK state telecommunications services organisation (for younger baffles).

Posted by: Cortes | Jun 15 2022 1:11 utc | 317

The whole thing is not only tragically hilarious but the critical element is to realize the west is brain washed by the corporate-government media. It's been glaringly obvious the tactics that some battalions of the Ukraine are using, the Ukrainian secret police, the extra judicial processing for anyone who as much as says Russian dressing. All the while the western corporate-government media portrays the Ukrainian government and these specific military-police wings as innocent as lambs.
The world continues to head to a bad place. The west (i.e. US and its automatons) with its giant collection of toy guns plays games with the geopolitics and the truth. We can't have a world where this US sprawling military is ld by this gaggle of fools. Something will have to give and whatever it is the average person of the world will be the loser.

Posted by: Corsair66 | Jun 15 2022 1:16 utc | 318

CORN! I see corn everywhere across the time space continuum

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2022 0:56 utc | 307

That's CORN POP to you, sonny!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 15 2022 1:16 utc | 319

@Posted by: dh | Jun 15 2022 1:10 utc | 312

"Joe is obviously a Putinbot.", best laugh I had all day! Joe has the hand of the US internationalist elite right up his sock puppet existence.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 15 2022 1:16 utc | 320

Yesterday the criminal Kiev regime intentionally shelled civilian areas of Donetsk, which killed five civilians and wounded almost 40. Washington and Brussels do not want us to see or think about these war crimes being committed by their puppet dictatorship in Kiev. Here is a video showing the results of the shelling:

https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/Donetsk_shelling_1406:3

Posted by: Nate | Jun 15 2022 1:24 utc | 321

@316 Joe knows which way the wind is blowing. I'm trying to start a new narrative here. It may take the MSM a few days to catch up.

Posted by: dh | Jun 15 2022 1:25 utc | 322

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2022 0:46 utc | 304

The HK governor was Oprisko's comment but I took a look at both links. Sad about the HK Judiciary but par for the course it seems. I wonder if any judiciaries honestly scrutinized would fare much better.

As to the port of last resort: very obscure. But even if I could find it have avoided videos on that subject for decades just as now I tend to avoid videos about politics, finance, art and Ukraine! Tedious. I prefer lowbrow fare like John Wick and Blue Bloods!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 15 2022 1:31 utc | 323

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 22:13 utc | 235

Do a simple test. Go and check which among the top 20 or even top 50 Russian telegram channels mentions/cites Girkin in a serious way. Rozhin/Cassad mocks him relentlessly. Alexandr Hodakovsky - the boss of Vostok battalion of the DPR forces - completely ignores Girkin. Even Dimitriev (russorientalist) who is playing the pessimist most of the times is dismissive of him. The officer publishing "Older than Edda" channel who is an active duty officer from 20th army at Izyum gets irritated just mentioning his name. This is the respect which Strelkov gets from the Russian professionals.

So why DO YOU take Girkin seriously?

Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | Jun 15 2022 1:31 utc | 324

#--Posted by: Saggy | Jun 14 2022 16:34 utc | 33


You just do what you want, but there's no need to tell us about it. It'll only make for an embarrassment in the future.

Posted by: Anne B | Jun 15 2022 1:37 utc | 325

Posted by: Cortes | Jun 15 2022 1:11 utc | 313

“Barflies” even :)

Posted by: Cortes | Jun 15 2022 1:37 utc | 326

In response to

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Biden suspends sanctions? What a wimp.

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/russia_gl8c.pdf
Posted by: dh | Jun 15 2022 0:54 utc | 306

@316 Joe knows which way the wind is blowing. I'm trying to start a new narrative here. It may take the MSM a few days to catch up.

Posted by: dh | Jun 15 2022 1:25 utc | 318
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Thanks for the link. I agree with Roger that this is election optics that expire soon after but they are also strategic which leads to why they MSM is slow to report the energy sanction suspension, IMO.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 15 2022 1:47 utc | 327

The Greeks knew that election is not the democratic way to choose officials. Choice by lot, sortition, klerosis is the democratic way.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 15 2022 1:52 utc | 328

Oksana and her 11-year-old son Mikhail killed by Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk: blurred photo. Mikhail’s teacher speaks about him: video. Western MSM: crickets. (German TV channel Tagesschau actually described this shelling as a “Russian attack”.)

Posted by: S | Jun 15 2022 1:59 utc | 329

. . .another view -- Newsweek
Putin Is Losing the War. Don't Be Fooled by What Happened in Severodonetsk
By William M. Arkin

Russia is losing the Ukraine war. Though Moscow is poised to capture the eastern city of Severodonetsk, it again has proven itself incapable of attaining a broader conquest over its smaller neighbor. The Russian army's so-called victory is the latest installment in its humiliating military display and comes with a crushing human cost.
"The Russian military is getting weaker by the day, with little prospect of overall replenishment or meaningful reinforcement," a senior Defense Intelligence Agency official tells Newsweek. "Meanwhile, Ukraine is holding on ... [and] standing on the brink of major western augmentation of its offensive capability."
Most experts predict the war will continue to grind on for months, and many analysts are saying the tide has turned in Vladimir Putin's favor. It hasn't. Even as Severodonetsk falls, it's important to remember that Russia has already suffered three major embarrassing losses. First was Moscow's inability to reach Kyiv, depose the government there, and its subsequent withdrawal from the north. Second was its failure to take Ukraine's second city, Kharkiv, with another retreat from its environs. Third is its inability to move forward in the south, contrary to Kremlin predictions. Odesa and Mykolaiv are no longer threatened by Russia.
. . .Those losses, according to U.S. intelligence, have been particularly bad for Russia, which has suffered as many as 10 casualties for every Ukrainian soldier lost since the offensive began on April 18. The senior DIA official ascribes the Ukrainian advantage to greater morale and motivation, better training and leadership, superior knowledge and use of the terrain, better maintained and more reliable equipment, and even greater accuracy. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 15 2022 2:07 utc | 330

Eventually the zones firing on civilians will be overrun by the countrymen and family of the civilians being killed. What do the Ukrainians imagine the response will be? Would expect no quarter given.

Posted by: Organic | Jun 15 2022 2:18 utc | 331

@Lysias #324

Even with choice by lot, it still isn’t a democracy if the chosen one is ruling according to his/her own wishes (or wishes of the rich) and not in the interests of the people. Conversely, a system with a permanent leader who constantly listens to and follows the will of the people is actually a democracy.

To determine whether the Western states are democracies, we have to ask ourselves: are their rulers following the will of their people? Many here would say “no”, but let’s think again. Could it be that the Westerners actually like the Empire? Could it be that their supposed naïveté and lack of critical thinking are merely feigned? That it is convenient for them to appear credulous when the Empire is pushing atrocity propaganda as an excuse for bombing and sanctioning yet another country? That deep inside they understand that the Empire is oppressing non-imperial countries so that they can have a higher standard of living? And that, therefore, the imperial rulers are actually doing what their people want? And that, therefore, the Western states are democracies, after all (according to my definition)?

Posted by: S | Jun 15 2022 2:27 utc | 332

"another view -- Newsweek
Putin Is Losing the War. Don't Be Fooled by What Happened in Severodonetsk
By William M. Arkin"

When you see such idiotic lies you almost feel sorry for western propagandists.

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 2:32 utc | 333

from WaPo
For Ukrainian troops, a need arises: Javelin customer service
The powerful antitank weapons have come to symbolize U.S. involvement in Ukraine, but critics say the Pentagon’s support service is lacking

. . .The powerful antitank weapons have come to symbolize U.S. involvement in Ukraine and the race to equip its army for the devastating fight that has unfolded. But lost in the scramble, according to Ukrainian commanders and Western volunteers, is effective, timely logistical assistance — things like training modules, spare batteries and other basics that the U.S. military itself relies upon. The United States’ wartime customer service, they say, is lacking.
“We’re sending equipment,” Hayward said in an interview. “But have we decided not to do tech support?” . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 15 2022 2:38 utc | 334

Russia's cautious go slow approach is likely due to the fact it is confronting the greatest evil empire the world has ever known more than to any higher ideals, nobility and respect for the Geneva convention. If the U.S. admits to spending 900 billion/year on defense then the truth is multiples higher spent on offensive orbital weapon systems that are a gun to the head of every nation.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Jun 15 2022 2:42 utc | 335

Notice the psychological distortions become more intense as the end approaches. I see it on here.

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 2:46 utc | 336

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 15 2022 2:07 utc | 326

Awesome. Someone should take that and frame it and present it to Arkin on his birthday after Russia has finished trashing Ukraine. If he has a Twitter account, then after every one of his tweets someone should post the image to his tweet stream. Crush this guy's career dead. Except, of course, it probably wouldn't work because these people never pay any price.

Which is why I prefer to see them shot in the face. That always works.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 2:47 utc | 337

@ karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:15 utc | 237

I'm aware that Popes have a way of phrasing things rather vaguely -- such was Hochhuth's portrayal of Pius XII in The Deputy, which strictly adhered to transcripts of Pius's WWII radio addresses. Do you honestly think my biases have blinded me to Francis's intention, in the words he chose?

Be careful in your defense of this Pope, in this war. My perception is that Francis' ongoing statements are getting more flagrantly one-sided all the time. It gets increasingly impossible to frame a morally defensible interpretation of Francis' comments on Ukraine, so please be real.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 15 2022 2:51 utc | 338

There was no "public demotion" as such, only western MSM thought so, or wanted to paint one for their gullible readers. Medvedev is the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council and the Leader of Jedyna Russia, the ruling party at the Duma. Lavrov, Medvedev, Miller and Putin are from Leningrad, and a team. Putin, Medvedev are not politicians as the way the western world knows/thinks. Its a duty, to the people and to the country. This is not that easy to fathom to the western-minded people.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 21:42 utc | 216

How can being pushed out of the Prime Minister position and into a newly created Deputy position not be considered a demotion? Medvedev's cryptic remarks at the time also indicated his dissatisfaction at no longer being #2. It was not just the MSM that marked it as a demotion. so did RT and alt news site like Consortium News.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 15 2022 3:06 utc | 339

Typical WWIII agitprop from Pope Francis, as quoted in The Pilot:

"Someone may say to me at this point: So, you are pro-Putin! No, I am not," the pope said. "It would be simplistic and wrong to say such a thing. I am simply against reducing complexity to the distinction between good guys and bad guys without reasoning about roots and interests, which are very complex. While we see the ferocity, the cruelty of Russian troops, we must not forget the real problems if we want them to be solved."

Against that cruelty, he said, the world has witnessed "the heroism of the Ukrainian people," but everyone must remember that "what is before our eyes is a situation of world war, global interests, arms sales and geopolitical appropriation, which is martyring a heroic people."

War, Vatican II, decision making: Pope shares insights with Jesuit editors

To my immature, biased ear, these words from the Pope's own mouth sound flagrantly one-sided, beneath an embarrassingly thin pretense of fairness. He keeps doing this.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 15 2022 3:07 utc | 340

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 15 2022 2:07 utc | 326

Don the hubris that you and others show regarding russian success id silly and dangerous. there is much truth if arkin's statement BUT it is 10 weeks out of date. His statement confirms my view of the sequence of events. ie

First diplomacy ie the December ultimatum -withdraw NATO expansion and implement Minsk II. The US had total hubris and laughed at Lavrov.

Second Russian SMO. Designed for shock and awe to force Kiev to capitulate, it was I think hastily put together (I suspect to forestall a planned NATO invasion of Donbass and Crimea. There can be little doubt that this was a big disappointment to Russia, and it is from this period that Arkin draws his assessment. Kiev did not capitulate (Arkin is wrong in that he thinks Russia ever planned to capture it). More serious was the failure to capture Karkov (or to get it to capitulate.). From something I read in DPA, the Odessa Nikolayev was a bit of a disaster and his usual kind words for most military efforts (both sides) were more that he though that whoever was in charge should be shot. Reading Arkin and making a guess it seems to me that this triple failure was exactly what emboldened NATO to go full guns blazing in Ukraine and prompted the sanctions surge. There seemed to be an expectation that the whole exercise would be over by May. Embarrassed, humiliated, weakened with a failing economy. Then from the depths of Azov steel the NATO forces would emerge and seize Crimea. Total victory for the West. They seemed to ignore the reality that most of the Ukrainian air force was gone, and half of Kherson and Zaporizhia.

Then came phase 3: Russia returned to what it knows best - solid well supported artillery and bombing. Mariupol was I think a major turning point. The gains now are steady if not spectacular. Lukansk is largely completed. There are I think still 6 essential strategic goals - rest of Donetsk, Odessa, Nikolayev, rest of Kherson, Rest of Zaporizhia and Kharkov. Impressions I get now is that the battle has turned heavily in favour of Russia, which was to be expected once it got its logistics right. However hubris is dangerous. Moreover many things could still happen- even nukes, so we must all continue to hold our breath and watch.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 15 2022 3:27 utc | 341

To me, that is why there is no democracy in the Anglo European west.
@ Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2022 0:46 utc | 303

A recent poll of US Americans by The Economist found 52% of Republicans and 44% of Democrats think Russia is still communist. In the unlikely event our incredibly unimpressive polity ever made an intelligent decision about anything (guns, climate, women or warfare -- you name it) we have a troglodyte court system ready and willing to declare thoughtfulness unconstitutional.

My solution to this mess? I'm still looking for a way out, myself -- haven't found one yet.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 15 2022 3:31 utc | 342

I debated with myself on continuing the Pope frank discussion in this thread or put my comment on the latest Open Thread and decided it belongs here and will try and connect the dots.

Below is another quote from the link from Aleph_Null | Jun 15 2022 3:07 utc | 336


To understand what is happening and to stop the war, he said, "we have to move away from the normal pattern of 'Little Red Riding Hood' -- Little Red Riding Hood was good and the wolf was the bad guy. Here there are no metaphysical good guys and bad guys, in an abstract sense. Something global is emerging, with elements that are very much intertwined."

"Someone may say to me at this point: So, you are pro-Putin! No, I am not," the pope said. "It would be simplistic and wrong to say such a thing. I am simply against reducing complexity to the distinction between good guys and bad guys without reasoning about roots and interests, which are very complex.

What complexity is pope Frank referring to and why was he being so obtuse?

I posit that pope Frank is an active member of what I refer to as the God of Mammon cult. This cult owns the global private levers of finance and has been running our world for centuries. And the God of Mammon cult is all about patriarchy and monotheism taken as reasons to kill and control others.....but it is ok since those killed are non-believers. To me the schism within monotheism is between the usury and non usury folks and pope Frank is supporting the usury side, meaning he in in the temple with the money mafia and not about to overturn the tables.

If pope Frank has a better explanation than the BS he shared with the zombie journalists, I encourage him to "enlighten" us.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 15 2022 3:49 utc | 343

"Second Russian SMO. Designed for shock and awe to force Kiev to capitulate, it was I think hastily put together "

Wrong. There was never an attempt to take Kiev. It was only a distraction. But that has become one of the talking points the West uses to denigrate Russia. They know Russia will get everything they stated they wanted at the beginning of the smo, so now they pretend they had larger plans so they can pretend Russia was defeated. Notice how often pretend gets used. In the next months you will think you are in fairy land.

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 4:11 utc | 344

Posted by: watcher | Jun 15 2022 3:27 utc | 337
"there is much truth if arkin's statement BUT it is 10 weeks out of date. His statement confirms my view of the sequence of events."

Haven't we dealt with your nonsense before?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 4:15 utc | 345

As long as 'Dancing with the Scars' and 'Britain's Got No Talent' continue to run uninterrupted in the US & UK then I don't foresee any riots this summer.

Still, I'm awaiting Bono's announcement of a Band Aid (or Blood Plasma) single for Ukraine.

How about - Feed Ukraine, let them know it's going to half in size . . .

Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 15 2022 4:17 utc | 346

In a little read blast from the past, Yasha Levine (please accompany any criticisms with examples/links) and Mark Ames pointed out that one of the main meddlers in the US elections not only was Ukraine, but that Ukranians/Ukrainian Americans are the original sources of the 'blame Russia' for "hacking" the election campaign. And of course this got us years of Mueller bullshit, Ukrainegate and another idiotic failed impeachment proceeding.

https://yasha.substack.com/p/trump-ukraine-and-weaponized-diasporas?s=r

As Mark pointed out three years ago, one of the central characters in this effort was a highly connected Ukrainian-American lobbyist named Alexandra Chalupa. She was employed by the DNC to do “ethnic outreach” while serving as a point person for Ukrainian-related disinformation. She met with Ukrainian officials, relayed information to the DNC, worked to rile up Congressional investigative committees, and served as a behind-the-scenes source to American journalists.

Alexandra has an interesting family history that intersects with my research into the weaponization of the Ukrainian-American community. She comes from a very politically active family and runs in Ukrainian nationalist circles — a clique that most recently came to power again in Ukraine following the 2014 Maidan overthrow. Her grandparents fled Eastern Ukraine with the German Army just ahead of the Soviet advance. For Ukrainians to flee like that that during the war — right along with the Germans — almost certainly means that her grandfather was a Nazi collaborator of some kind. And the historical record, according to researcher Moss Robeson, seems to bear this out. That would put her family right at the center of America’s Cold War policy to weaponize Ukrainian Nazi collaborators against the Soviet Union — a program that I mentioned briefly in my previous letter. This gives Alexandra’s role in the Ukrainian meddling scandal a kind of neat historical symmetry: She’s clearly carrying on what appears to be a family tradition. But…that’s a bigger story for another time.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 15 2022 4:24 utc | 347

It gets even more entertaining.

For the past week, the country’s fascist-friendly far-right — a movement long supported by America’s foreign policy establishment and tied to America’s nationalist Ukrainian immigrant community — has been in full torchlit goose-stepping mode.

They’ve been rallying the troops and swarming the center of Kiev. Their goal: to oppose Volodymyr Zelensky — Ukraine’s first Jewish president — and prevent him from working with Europe and Russia to end the civil war in Eastern Ukraine. They’re painting him as a traitor and a Russian puppet, and are threatening violence if he moves ahead with his modest plan to end a war that has pitted Ukrainians against Ukrainians, killed and maimed thousands, destroyed entire towns, and displaced more than a million people. I saw some of this destruction myself when I reported on the conflict back in 2014.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kooleksiy/status/1180136368657317893

It’s important to remember that President Zelensky was elected earlier this year with the biggest margin in Ukraine’s history: 72% of the vote. He campaigned on a pro-peace platform, signaling that he would end the ultra-nationalistic and Russophobic policies pushed by Ukraine’s then-oligarch-president, and would work to end the civil war in Eastern Ukraine. And people voted for him in huge numbers. Now, with nearly three-quarters of Ukrainian voters behind him, Zelensky has a huge popular mandate to do just that.

It’s clear to anyone who follows Ukrainian politics that the pro-war demands of these nationalist groups represents the interests of a small minority. The vast majority of Ukrainians want peace — which is why Zelensky won with such staggering numbers. But it just so happens that this desire to end the war runs counter to American strategic interests.

American foreign policy has long sought to use Ukraine as a strategic destabilization point against Russia (and before that, the Soviet Union). Indeed, America’s meddling in Ukraine — and its support for the country’s nationalist and fascist movements — is what helped trigger this civil war in the first place. And I can’t think of a single American foreign policy institution or interest group that would be in favor of actually ending the war. The entire foreign policy machinery of our country is geared for conflict there. And it doesn’t hurt that it’s good for business.

Not surprisingly, our domestic news coverage of Zelensky’s mild attempts to kickstart the peace process has reflected this cynical imperial bias. From the Wall Street Journal to the Los Angeles Times — reporters have ignored Zelensky’s popular pro-peace mandate and have promoted the pro-war demands of a small set of far-right organizations as if they’re representative of the larger Ukrainian public, all while whitewashing the fascist and antisemitic politics of these groups. As Lev Golinkin pointed out: Despite Zelensky’s extreme popularity, reporters have been chronically — and comically — unable to find a single supporter to talk to who wants peace. Not a single one. H’mmm…wonder why.

And again, this was from 2019. Zelensky was already being threatened both privately (see: Jacques Baud interview) and in public by the Ukra-OPENLY-nazi faction to whom "we" are mad about Trump delaying a weapons shipment.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 15 2022 4:29 utc | 348

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jun 15 2022 0:03 utc | 290

The "azote" word was invented by famous French chemist Lavoisier. Its components a and zote were token from greek language, but the word itself was not. Greece, being part of Ottoman Empire, very probably learned the word after the time Russia got it.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 15 2022 4:31 utc | 349

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 4:11 utc | 340

Nook
I carefully used the term capitulate, not capture. I fully agree that Russia never had any intention to capture Kiev. By capitulate I mean go to the negotiating table and essentially accept Russian demands, which at that stage was independence for the two breakaway republics, recognition of Russian control of Crimea and withdrawal of any request to join NATO.

Similarly with Kiev, I think Russia hoped (expected?) Kharkov, via it Mayor or people to go easily over the the Russian side. The fact that it did not must have been a disappointment and as for the reasons, I will leave that to historians.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 15 2022 4:31 utc | 350

No, Russia never expected Ukraine to give up the way you suppose...and of course they were not disappointed. The whole point was to make it impossible for Kiev to come to the aid of the forces that were the real focus. And it was a success. First the south coast to Azov was wiped clean. Now the fortified section to the west of Lugansk is being reduced. From there they will descend south to the areas west of Donetsk. Nothing can stop that now. Nothing could have from the beginning. Attributing so called hopes to the Russian government is presumptuous and ultimately meaningless.

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 4:51 utc | 351

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 15 2022 4:24 utc | 343

Not only that, but Chalupa was one of the first to claim she'd been hacked, IIRC even before the DNC called in CrowdStrike. She reportedly had connections with the Ukraine Embassy in Washington, and possibly inside Ukraine with their intelligence service and indeed likely with Ukrainian hackers. My first thought on hearing about so-called "Russian hacking" of the DNC was that it was Ukrainian hackers conducting a false flag.

Being deeply interested in computer hacking, I followed that whole affair closely back then. There's no doubt Ukrainian-Americans were involved and I believe it was very possibly Chalupa who came up with the idea of blaming Russia for a hack in order to tarnish Trump and distract from the Wikileaks leak of the DNC emails.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 4:53 utc | 352

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 4:51 utc | 347

I agree with you on Kiev. However, I am sure Russia would have been delighted if the regime had decided to either surrender or negotiate seriously as a result. But I agree they would have been fools to expect it, since I'm sure Russia was quite aware who was really calling the shots in the regime. I'm sure Russian intelligence knows everything going on in Kiev in detail.

Watcher is one of these people who dredge up nonsense regularly here. I've had it out with him before. Best to ignore him or he'll drag you into a meaningless argument with a lot of hand-waving.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 4:57 utc | 353

Notice too that for the ukie propagandists and their western handlers, they claim false "victories" in the periferal areas of no concern to the operation. At all costs they avoid mentioning the humiliating defeat at azovatal and are now trying to do the same with severodonetsk. They must pretend that Russia had larger designs on Ukraine because that is the face saving out they will claim when it is all over.

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 5:05 utc | 354

malenkov @ 255

Sounds like you think US would take a leaf out of Russia's playbook.
We should remember the 2 SMO against Chechenians. RF forces then in that part of russia didn't think very highly of natives. Might even have killed a few. Of their own citizens no less. And just a little bit of damage to civilian infrastructure in Grozni. War crime? Certainly not because... I don't know, but I'm sure someone can tell me.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 15 2022 5:08 utc | 355

Yes Russia knows well the danger ukie citizens face if they support Russia. This is especially so in Kharkov, which was traditionally viewed as a Russian city inside the borders of Ukraine. Kiev's totalitarian thumb has weighed heavily there these last eight years. Russia had no illusions on what to expect there.

Posted by: Nook | Jun 15 2022 5:13 utc | 356

I posit that pope Frank is an active member of what I refer to as the God of Mammon cult. This cult owns the global private levers of finance and has been running our world for centuries. And the God of Mammon cult is all about patriarchy and monotheism taken as reasons to kill and control others.....but it is ok since those killed are non-believers. To me the schism within monotheism is between the usury and non usury folks and pope Frank is supporting the usury side, meaning he in in the temple with the money mafia and not about to overturn the tables.

If pope Frank has a better explanation than the BS he shared with the zombie journalists, I encourage him to "enlighten" us.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 15 2022 3:49 utc | 339

Yes this is where i've landed as well, add in the royal families and other old money and that perfectly describes the not so mysterious cabal that runs the world. I also appreciate your including the patriarchy in your description, its a much avoided term these days. Ditto for monotheism, immediately sets the stage for the exceptional religion to be on top.

Posted by: K | Jun 15 2022 5:15 utc | 357

To me the loss of democracy, governance by the people, is a key factor on why everything is screwed up.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 21:50 utc | 223

In a restaurant, it is the one who writes the menu who decides, not the one who reads the menu.

Perhaps Western democracy functioned at some point in the past, I do not know. But the system has been gamed, with various groups - Davos, Bilderberg, Schwab, Soros - putting their candidates in position before each election. It's like being offered a choice between Coke, Fanta, Sprite and Acquarius.

And in many items we are not offered a choice at all, but are told a treaty, signed fifty years ago under completely different circumstances, by men long since dead, has decided the matter once and for all.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 15 2022 5:22 utc | 358

In many of these comments I see references to the November "elections" in the United States. It's as if they actually matter. Or to be more specific, that one party with "capture" Congress / Senate / State offices over the other. Why are you all so darn worried about this? It's not going to make any difference.

Biden campaigned on almost the exact opposite of Donald Trump's policies. And when he took office, he embraced the policies and did not change anything. In fact, he increased the policies of his predecessor. He did not decrease them.

So what is going on? Are you all convinced that "this time things will be different"? Or that it's all a big fun game that you enjoy playing?

Seriously people!

The cart is broken. The drivers are all drunk, and you can rotate the drivers and the horses all you want, but the cart just isn't going to get out of it's rut. What you need to do is to get a new cart, a new set of teamsters, and trim down all the baggage and passenger riding the gravy train cart.

https://metallicman.com/no-efforts-made-by-biden-administration-and-neocons-to-prevent-war/

Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Jun 15 2022 5:34 utc | 359

To chip Poirot @11 and @82.

@11, there is no such thing as a democracy and there was no such thing that USA promoted in Latin America. They always promoted dictators who would fulfill their evil greed.

They're dictator samoza who they put into power in Nicaragua, killing thousands was only overthrown by a video showing his own forces shooting, at point blank range a USA journalist.

The sanadistas,just like the Cubans and many more were fighting for liberation from the evil tentacles of USA hegemony. The fact that all western journalists had to obey orders after that is for you to swallow,not me.

@82, this ridiculous cop out that you now state is not an understanding of the facts.
The UN is USA controlled, and nothing they say will make a difference.

There is not going to be a long war that you and others are hoping for. I can tell so many things, in current history to show you that all you have is propaganda bullsh.t to make you feel good, and that facts speak for themselves.

Even before COVID 19, the west was in serious economic trouble.
The plan against Russia and China were already in place.

The Russians bided their time and humiliation and now they have the capacity to blow you off the face of the earth.

Most of you cannot understand Russia's delicate advancement based on their feelings for their troops and civilians. You are accustomed to "shock & awe".

I think that the only way brainwashed, controlled people will understand anything is to have bombs dropping on your heads.

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 15 2022 5:42 utc | 360

@Bobolinski | Jun 14 2022 18:42 utc | 97

Most interesting (not) comment of what ever.

Donald Trump has uttered nothing but fiction , misinformation and lies. From the first day he went to school.

A true skeptic and cynic should note all politicians of any gender. Tell both big and little lies every day without exemption . Until their lips cease to move. For all politicians use the same identical phrase "Not Me ! Blame the other guy!"...

USSA's current disaster economy of stagflation is , was and will always be from Donald's complete mismanagement from 2016 to 2020. Of USSA's fragile driven by excessive government banana republic debt economy.

On "Susan W's 'censormetube'. There is a song sung by "Joeyess" released in 2009 as the USSA economy was in a complete mess as the result of Bush Jnr's super 'Too Big To Fail' Big Bank economic housing disaster 101 fails of the previous eight years. He had by one order magnitude on Bush Snr's past twelve years of economic mismanagement in the 1980's. The song is called "The d... F...... Hippies Were Right".

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 15 2022 5:57 utc | 361

Listening to The Duran video. Gonzalo Lira says he's heard that some Russian troops are being rotated out daily. That is, a unit goes into battle for a day, then gets replaced by a fresh unit the next day. I don't believe that, but it's quite possible that units are being rotated more frequently than might be usual in most armies.

Russia can certainly do this, given their various Military District have plenty of troops who can be rotated in just be crossing the border. I read today that the Western Military District alone has 400,000 available troops, 40% of the entire Russian military.

Mercouris makes the point that with that sort of rotation the Ukraine forces are being overwhelmed by fresh Russian forces while being unable to rotate their own forces due to the lack of available trained forces, especially in the NCO and officer ranks. And this enables Russia to reduce the wear and tear on their troops thus maintaining morale and combat effectiveness.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 5:58 utc | 362

@320 - it is funny how people want to always rush to denounce strelkov - in fact I don’t think I have quoted him even once.

Here is a recent comment from one of the channels you mention - one of many like this:

When I hear such peremptory reasoning, I am reminded of von Clausewitz.

"Military affairs are simple and quite accessible to the sane mind of a person. But it is difficult to fight."

It would be great if a colleague told about the "useless military tool" to those of our soldiers and officers who were hit by drones, in particular by Bayraktars. It would be great to talk about the usefulness of something, having personally visited the front. But even without this, simply by studying the military conflicts of the last 15 years, one can draw conclusions about the extreme effectiveness of UAVs, both strike and reconnaissance.

It's just worth remembering a few important basic points. The presence of good air defense and electronic warfare does not mean that UAVs are not needed. Just because you have two legs doesn't mean you don't need a hand. So clearer? These are different types of weapons with different tasks.

Yes, UAVs are shot down, but at the same time, the loss of an UAV is much less noticeable for the army and for society than the loss of a combat aircraft with a pilot. In addition, the price of a UAV and an air defense system are very different. Assembled, according to the apt expression of saturated experts "from parts from Aliexpress", Bayraktar is valuable because it was assembled for not very expensive, and hundreds of people like him can be assembled.

ISIS militants assembled their quadrocopters from shit and sticks, but even they, funny and ridiculous, inflicted serious damage when attacking checkpoints and oporniks. When five grenades or mines are flying from the sky, it somehow doesn’t matter to you how much it costs from which they throw it.

In the front line, it is attack UAVs that replace attack aircraft, and can be used to destroy enemy artillery and equipment, especially on the march.

So the inefficiency of the UAV is like reasoning about the uselessness of machine guns. It was fashionable to talk about it 120 years ago. The argument was that, they say, a lot of bullets are wasted ..
Either way, good old rifle.

In principle, it is possible to win without UAVs. It is true. There are many people, women give birth.
However, even Comrade Stalin, with all his ability, demanded from the State Defense Committee to introduce modernized, new types of weapons.

And rocket artillery, which was very controversial at that time (yes, military experts were not sure of its effectiveness, and Korolev was generally considered an enemy of the people), in a simple way, "Katyusha", and the untested T34 tank, largely determined the course and outcome of the war.

https://t.me/sskarnaukhov/24809

But sure - some Martynov guy tells me what I want to hear - Russian army best in world and will crush bad guys.

Primitive and childish thinking. I trust the Chinese forces show more professionalism.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 15 2022 6:23 utc | 363

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 4:53 utc | 348

I think you are absolutely correct. That Bull#hitt was being produced thanks to the Failed State intelligence connections. I recall reading somewhere in US media that "forensic analysis" found Cyrillic text in some data that was analyzed AND THAT COULD ONLY MEANT THAT ------> YES, IT WAS RUSSIA. Reading crap like that I knew that would fly with the US Public, as most people have no clue about anything beyond their State line.

The other Failed State lug nut that grated my nerves was the pompous Ollie North like Alexander Vindman. The posterboy of military honor in the US Army. What happened to this liar in the end. NOTHING MUCH, though Leavenworth would have been the rightful place for him.

Question: How did Soyboy Vindman's father manage to get out of USSR in 1979 ? Some special status/connections would have been required for this trick.

I love this reference on the Wiki page for Lt. Col. Tubby Boy,
https://religionnews.com/2019/11/13/why-are-so-many-players-in-the-impeachment-trial-jewish-2/

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 15 2022 6:56 utc | 364

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 15 2022 6:23 utc | 359

You're a moron. If you bothered to listen to Martyanov, you'd know what a Russian military academy education is. But no, you're one of those simpletons who thinks he understands everything right off the bat.

As Martyanov wrote just yesterday IIRC, you can't convince an idiot he's an idiot because he's an idiot. I prefer the term moron myself, but idiot will do.

He might have been thinking of you.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 7:01 utc | 365

Quite how Martynov - a US based emigre who was a modest naval officer in the Soviet Union for five years in the 1980s - and who left Russia entirely in the early 1990s - is such a renowned military scholar of the RF forces today - and so much more credible than the man who held Slavyansk against the UAF in 2014 for 85 days - escapes me.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 22:13 utc | 235
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"and who left Russia entirely in the early 1990s" also intrigues me. The question is, why did he leave Russia entirely?

If he had not been to Russia after the infamous 90s, his knowledge of Russia is just like others, who read the news, even if the news comes in Russian. Well, his (crude) Russian humour in English is alright, but still...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 7:06 utc | 366

Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Jun 15 2022 5:34 utc | 355

Enjoyed your description of Merica's Democracy. It's spot on.

Nothing like a good laugh while enjoying a cup of coffee.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 15 2022 7:09 utc | 367

@ostro @362;

I believe he left for banal business reasons and stayed in the US. Otherwise I agree with you, but of course, has access to Russian literature on the topics he writes about - including military journals and the like. I wouldn’t discount everything he says.

However the contrast between the rah-rah stuff from him (and others like him) - and the negative, despondent, but factual posts from people who are on the Russian side in Donbas - is striking.

Juvenile insults hurled at dissenters by his fans are rather cringeworthy.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 15 2022 7:23 utc | 368

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 7:06 utc | 362

You have no clue what Martyanov knows or doesn't know about current Russia. In any event, he knows what Russia can do economically because he pays attention to that. Obviously he also pays attention - in detail, not the random BS being spouted here - about Russian military capability. Since those are the two topics which he spends ninety percent of his time talking about (when he isn't ranting about how stupid the collective West is - which includes people babbling here, proving him correct in that regard as well), the rest is irrelevant.

People bitching about Martyanov appear to have an agenda, but don't have the balls to spit it out. I'm not a fanboy, I just recognize someone who knows what he's talking about. I also recognize people who don't.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 7:24 utc | 369

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 15 2022 7:23 utc | 364

Look, moron, I don't know how many times I have to point this out. Martyanov understands how war is DONE. The despondent idiots you're relying on are people who do NOT know how war is done. They are grunts, low-level cannon fodder. They don't plan wars. Not even Ritter comes close. Maybe Macgregor does, as Martyanov respects him. Ritter was involved in the Iraq war planning, but on the level of a consultant about Iraqi Scuds - not the operational plan itself. As Martyanov repeatedly points out, there is a "vast gulf" between a General Staff and even officers on the level of a battalion or even a brigade, let alone grunts.

You could give yourself an education by reviewing his recent videos on operational art. Not that you will, because you're just a troll.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 7:29 utc | 370

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 15 2022 3:49 utc | 339

Francis did not speak to you but the believers.

He can say this a conflict for interests, and the world shoud not fall in it.
He can't say "Don't trust the authority, Busha is bullshit, almost every story is fake news." Should he tell all the truth, nothing would be heard or understood by the believers.
And the catholic church would get one more press campaign against it.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 15 2022 7:30 utc | 371

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 21:49 utc | 221

A Finnish style "Motti" has developed.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 15 2022 7:41 utc | 372

If you bothered to listen to Martyanov, you'd know what a Russian military academy education is.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 7:01 utc | 361
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Martyanov was born in 1963, so must've joined the Naval Academy in ~1977-1980, and graduated from it around 1985-86, meaning still in the USSR times. Those time, 1983 upwards were not that good to pretty bad in the USSR, the economy started to break down due to pretty bad decisions. Slowly the communist USSR crashed, then this deterioration continued all the way into Yeltsin times, finally stopped by Putin around 2002.

Anyway, the Soviet citizens left the country in those infamous 90s, some to sell things, and bring back money for their families, some left forever. Those, who left forever went mostly to Israel, then to the US. Even, in the Gorbachev, Yeltsin times, Soviet/Russian citizens couldn't leave the country just like that. They always had to come back, for they left families back home. Most of the official movement out of USSR or Russia was through Israel.

Well, if he had gone out of the USSR in the 90s, and that "entirely", his knowledge on Russian affaires is just like ours, through the news filtering through. Maybe, he is a good analyst, and that "crude" Russian humour helps.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 7:43 utc | 373

I'm not a fanboy, I just recognize someone who knows what he's talking about. I also recognize people who don't.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 7:24 utc | 365
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Sorry about this question; do you understand Russian?

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 7:46 utc | 374

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 15 2022 7:23 utc | 364

Irrelevant response to anything I said.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 7:46 utc | 370

No. Martyanov speaks English (albeit crappily) so that's irrelevant, too.

Not wasting any more time on this BS, I got Obi-Wan Kenobi to watch.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 7:51 utc | 375

Richard Steven Hack, 285:

> Latest The Duran video with Gonzalo Lira... Been wondering where he was, he's reduced the frequency of his videos somewhat.

The dating coach turned geopolitical analyst? No thank you, I will def spend my time elsewhere.

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 15 2022 7:53 utc | 376

Posted by: Nate | Jun 15 2022 1:24 utc | 317

The main German (public paid) news from "Tagesschau" reported that RUSSIA shelled Donetsk.

You can't make it up

Posted by: Kartoschka | Jun 15 2022 8:04 utc | 377

The "azote" word was invented by famous French chemist Lavoisier. Its components a and zote were token from greek language, but the word itself was not. Greece, being part of Ottoman Empire, very probably learned the word after the time Russia got it.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 15 2022 4:31 utc | 345

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Good to know, thank you, and certainly settles where Russian got its word from. Though as the ancient Greeks gave us the word "atom" I didn't want to underestimate them either. :-)

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jun 15 2022 8:07 utc | 378

No. Martyanov speaks English (albeit crappily) so that's irrelevant, too.

Not wasting any more time on this BS, I got Obi-Wan Kenobi to watch.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 15 2022 7:51 utc | 371
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OK. Lovely way of getting out of the matter. Obi-Wan Kenobi would give you better entertainment. 😏

Anyway, I read these specialists, Martyanov, Larry Johnson and such like for fun, not the first thing in the morning, but when I have some time free to waste. By the time, I read them, I have all the news, that is, what they say is stale bread.

Have look and listen to the nice voice of a young Ukrainian, of course speaking Russian in Kherson. City center. New market. Jun 15, 2022

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 8:09 utc | 379

...
At least those governments (RF & CN) are supported by their people. It is not the case in western countries where individualism and egoism reign.
...
Xavier Moreau is saying that it is the first time in history that one side is taking hostages and human shields inside their own population. Even German nazis did not do that. Or do we have to think that the Ukrainian army is on a foreign territory? What a confession!
...
Posted by: Olivier | Jun 15 2022 1:00 utc | 308

There is also a real sense in which the people of RF & CN are being supported by their respective governments, a thing extremely rare, often absent, in the neoliberal sector. Ukraine is the clearest example yet of where the whole neoliberal world is headed, the almost-complete jigsaw.

Re. Moreau, I’m glad someone’s highlighting the truly abysmal UA conduct during this conflict. Not a peep from the UN/EU, presumably because Eukronazism is a Yankee project and they’re all afraid of the yanks.

Also, I suspect, quite a few Euro-grifters are still hoping (vainly) that a piece of Ukraine will break off and fall neatly into their own pocket.

If RF takes the whole coast and links up with Transnistria, EU hustlers will get exactly what they deserve: a bankrupt, fascist collapsar, right on their doorstep.

If not, they’re free to speak up any time they choose. /s

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 15 2022 8:10 utc | 380

https://youtu.be/WwTjWxh1Q-I
Have look and listen to the nice voice of a young Ukrainian, of course speaking Russian in Kherson. City center. New market. Jun 15, 2022

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 8:10 utc | 381

And, Mariupol today, 15.06.2022 https://youtu.be/UV5_pK8BjY8

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 8:13 utc | 382

The Viking Navy has awakened,

It is known that the dispatch of a Swedish Navy submarine to the Baltic Sea was sanctioned against the background of NATO exercises in this region. At the same time, experts believe that Stockholm is clearly trying to demonstrate the presence of its ships and submarines in the immediate vicinity of the Russian borders.

https://avia.pro/news/shveciya-vyvela-v-baltiyskoe-more-svoyu-podvodnuyu-lodku

Swedes are so boring.

https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/326583-stinky-mystery-russia-sweden
https://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-sweden-finds-russian-submarine/ri9005

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 15 2022 8:41 utc | 383

The RF takes out more US weapons in Ukraine and kill many Ukrainian troops in the process.


"Russian aircraft destroyed more than 300 nationalists, an electronic warfare station, 10 tanks and armored vehicles, 11 artillery pieces, including four American M777 howitzers, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov said at a briefing on Wednesday.
"As a result of air strikes, more than 300 nationalists were killed, an electronic warfare station near the village of Malinovka Kharkiv region, 10 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles, three installations of Grad multiple launch rocket systems, 18 special vehicles, three mortar crews, as well as 11 field artillery guns, including four 155-mm howitzers M777," Konashenkov said.
He specified that operational-tactical, army and unmanned aircraft hit 24 areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of Ukrainian troops."


https://ria.ru/20220615/spetsoperatsiya-1795386851.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 15 2022 8:42 utc | 384

The USA's puppet president of Ukraine Zelensky, finally admitting that his forces are taking a pounding with many losses.


https://ria.ru/20220615/poteri-1795335092.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 15 2022 8:45 utc | 385

https://youtu.be/7wNV-5r33Jg - Kherson - New store: Prices, Goods, People. Satisfying Market. June 14th.

Being with Russia...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 8:48 utc | 386

In a rerun of the Azovstal plant in Mariupol, the Ukrainian forces are holding around 1,200 civilians at the Azot plant in Severodontesk. The RF has opened humanitarian corridors to allow the civilians to leave.


"The number of civilians, held by Ukrainian groups at the Azot plant in Severodonetsk, may reach 1,200 people, an aide to the Lugansk People’s Republic’s interior minister has told TASS.

"At present, between 1,000 and 1,200 civilians are held as hostages on the territory of Azot. They have been held there against their will, for quite a while. There is no water, no food, no medicines. About 127 of them are children," Vitaly Kiselev said.

In his words, the plant’s territory has underground bunkers and technical corridors, where civilians may be held.

Ukraine asked Russia on Tuesday to open a humanitarian corridor for the passage of civilians from the Azot plant to Lisichansk, a city it still controls. According to the aide to the Lugansk People’s Republic’s interior minister, the Ukrainian forces plan to leave Azot using civilians as a cover. In his estimates, about 2,500 people may be holed up in the Severodonetsk industrial zone, up to one quarter of them are foreign mercenaries."


https://tass.com/world/1464921

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 15 2022 8:50 utc | 387

A rather good job on the Kharkov front, where Russian forces rolled back the Ukies quite well. In this war, progresses happend when you don't expect them, and do not happen when they seem most likely. Who would have thought, after the Popasna breakout, that troops would remain stuck a few kilometers forward ? Although this morning they say a few key points, like Vrubovka, have been taken. And the Ugledar TPP may be completely surrounded, as well as Zolote.

This remains my main gripe and warning against the triumphalists. When you look at the actual events, Russian troops are progressing slowly, a few kilometers a day, and always encounter fierce resistance. This does not look like an army collapsing, a la France 1940. My guess is that the Ukrainians remain well-structured, with the ability to maintain supply lines, and an ample artillery supply as well as manpower. I cannot explain any other way the fact that they can continue to cling to all these points, including outposts like Zolote who look definitely hopeless.

What a bunch of headcases these Ukies. I have never seen such stupidity among human beings. These Ukrainians are like dumb brutes being led to the slaughter. The conservation instinct is supposedly our prime directive and our strongest impulse, yet these people go passively to the massacre, as ordered by a ruthless elite taking its orders from Washington. I suppose it's a prime example of Darwinism in action.

Posted by: Micron | Jun 15 2022 8:58 utc | 388

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 15 2022 4:24 utc | 343

Thank you. A most informative supply of one who is deep in the sewer of lies of no return........

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 15 2022 9:06 utc | 389

"This is a problem because it takes pressure off the Biden administration to negotiate with Russia over Ukraine and the future security architecture in Europe."

No, negotiations are obsolete. Russia has rightfully and wisely lost trust in the reliability of agreements made through negotiations with the US. Regarding the US and NATO, from now on Russia will just establish advantageous facts on the ground.

"Won't Be Fooled Again"

Posted by: fairleft | Jun 15 2022 9:13 utc | 390

The British rag, BBC says,
Russian media claims civilians in chemical plant are 'human shields'

As we await news of activity around the humanitarian corridor out of Severodonetsk, reports in the Russian media are squarely - and unsurprisingly - placing the blame for trapped civilians in Severodonetsk on Ukrainian forces.

The Defence Ministry has yet to confirm, either on TV or social media, that the promised humanitarian corridor has been opened - despite claims it would function from 0800 Moscow time (05:00 GMT).

State Rossiya 1 and state-controlled Channel One have accused Ukrainian troops of bringing civilians to the Azot chemical plant in the city to use them as human shields.

Gazprom-owned NTV claim there may be as many as 1,200 people, including children, at the plant.

Any evacuated civilians have been told they will be taken north to Russian-occupied territories - rather than Ukrainian territory, Russia has stated.

Channel One quoted the Russian Defence Ministry as saying it was impossible to take civilians to the Kyiv-controlled city of Lysychansk, as Ukrainian forces had destroyed the bridge that connected it to Severodonetsk.

Bulletins in Russia continue to report the imminent fall of Severodonetsk, which has been effectively cut off from the rest of Ukraine since Russian troops blew up a number of other key bridges.
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Oops!
the wording...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 9:14 utc | 391

Sorry about the dark letters, Text didn't work

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 9:16 utc | 392

Well, if you want to watch NTV live, and if you are not living a (self) sanctioned country, https://www.ntv.ru/air/

You don't need to read what the western MSM rags say...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 9:23 utc | 393

I saw a message that Ukraine, under Lend-Lease, wants to receive LNG from its overseas owners with payment for delivery in 2 years. Otherwise, next winter it will simply freeze.

Just a question. And who said that in two years Ukraine will even exist on the world map? Although the Americans don’t care anymore - they have invested so much in the “anti-Russia” project that everything else is a trifle for them...

- Dmitry Medvedev 15.06.2022

Posted by: ostro | Jun 15 2022 9:33 utc | 394

Re democracy. Here’s a study by Princeton University:
https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
According to this study, there is little overlap between public opinion and the laws enacted by Congress.

Posted by: RB | Jun 15 2022 10:10 utc | 395


NATO is preparing a plan to transfer the Ukrainian army from post-Soviet weapons to weapons of the alliance - Stoltenberg

..on paper…

https://twitter.com/Levi_godman/status/1537008854084554752?cxt=HHwWgMC4xZnaxtQqAAAA

Stoltenberg is an idiot, because these words make sure Russia wont negotiate a peaceful resolution, because she knows that NATO will re-militarize Ukraine and use it as a thorne in the side of Russia. So Russia has no choice but to keep going, until Ukraine is no more and NATO cant re-militarize Ukraine. Again, Stoltenberg is an idiot.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Jun 15 2022 10:14 utc | 396

ostro @ 390
I'm sure everyone is VERY surprised. At the beginning of the SMO, everybody was saying, here and from russian government, that the purpose is de-nazifikation, help the republics etc.
No moving of borders or anything like that. Of course not!

Now, both Putin and Medvedev say that in effect Russia is going to annex whole of Ukraine.
Wow, who could have seen that coming? This is really shocking. I don't know how I'm going to cope. I mean, it's like hearing that the little green men in Crimea were russian soldiers all along! Boy, they sure surprise everyone. Nobody could guess that, either!

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 15 2022 10:17 utc | 397

Joe6pack, 393:

> Now, both Putin and Medvedev say that in effect Russia is going to annex whole of Ukraine.
Wow, who could have seen that coming? This is really shocking. I don't know how I'm going to cope.

Just think about the US war machine on tour and you'll be fine.

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 15 2022 10:51 utc | 398

Arne Hartmann, 392:

> Again, Stoltenberg is an idiot.

Yes, he's an idiot who will do anything to be in the spotlight but these aren't his words but those of his master, the US deep state.

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 15 2022 10:57 utc | 399

PavewayIV @229: "Ukraine soldiers have willingly killed their fellow citizens in the separatist regions at the behest of the Kiev government."

True enough, but there are a few details to keep in mind. Our host points out that the Ukrainians "use 5% of the daily ammunition ration to terrorize civilians in Donetsk". 5% also happens to roughly be the portion of the Ukrainian population sufficiently brain-fried by intense Empire-financed and directed propaganda to become Nazis. While I have no evidence to back up the notion, I would be willing to bet that "normal" Ukrainian troops are not involved in the terror shelling of civilians and that these crimes are being committed by "exceptional" western "war tourists" and subhuman Nazi orcs.

To be sure, there are a few countries in the world where elements of the military target their own civilian populations, but in general there are always particular distinctions. Firstly these countries are ones where the empire is investing heavily in maintaining control. Think Colombia with its large US military and CIA presence. Next, the military elements in these countries committing the crimes are typically "special" units, usually considered "elites", with special treatment and oftentimes dramatically higher pay to "elevate" them above the general population in their minds. These "special" troops are also not drawn from the usual demographic for soldiers which is the working class, but from the middle class and lumpen proletariat (sub working class). As well, these "special" units are regularly commanded by loyal agents of the empire who view the local populations with extreme contempt.

The above distinctions are difficult and most importantly expensive to arrange. The empire can afford to do this in a few places in the world but not everywhere, and it is even more difficult and expensive to pull this off back in the imperial heartlands. In fact, it is economically impossible to buy off the entire military back at the imperial core with sufficient wealth that their consciousness and self-image is artificially elevated above that of the working class. The empire can only afford to do that with a limited number of "special" forces and organizations. This is because at the end of the day all of the wealth that the empire has at its disposal to buy off these forces is created by the working class, so hoisting large non-productive portions of the population economically above the working class results in a very unstable economic arrangement that, like an inverted pyramid, is prone to collapse of its own top-heaviness. The US long ago maxed this instability out can not afford any more large non-productive population chunks in the middle class.

The empire spent many $billions creating the Nazis in the Ukraine (and Hong Kong and South Korea and Latin America). It would have been extremely difficult to have created the Nazis in the Ukraine with only the resources available in the Ukraine alone. The empire can afford this by redirecting resources from elsewhere in the empire, but the cost is in weakening its ability to control those other portions of the empire. While it seems like the empire can just magically print money, doing so weakens its financial hold across the entire empire. That source of cash is not infinite. You can see that weakness now with various countries thumbing their noses at the empire's current figurehead.

Basically, turning the military against its own population is prohibitively expensive. Cases of this being done elsewhere in the world have required significant influx of resources from outside. This is problematic for doing the same in the US.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 15 2022 10:58 utc | 400

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