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June 14, 2022

Ukraine - Killing Surrendering Soldiers, Shelling Civilians

At 8:30 UTC today I checked the priorities of the day on major U.S. news websites.

  • On the New York Times homepage the word "Trump" appeared 10 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
  • On the Washington Post homepage the word "Trump" appeared 12 times, "Ukraine" appeared 5 times.
  • On the Wall Street Journal homepage the word "Trump" appeared 9 times, "Ukraine" appeared 3 times.

The Google Trends graph for Ukraine has fallen to near zero.


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This is a problem because it takes pressure off the Biden administration to negotiate with Russia over Ukraine and the future security architecture in Europe.

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Today's daily 'clobber list' by the Russian Ministry of Defense includes an additional chapter taken from the verbal briefing:

I would like to note that in recent weeks, incidents involving the shooting of Ukrainian servicemen in the back by nationalist units have become more frequent in areas of military operations.

Thus, after a fire preparation for an attack by Russian troops near Novomikhailovka in Donetsk People's Republic, more than 30 servicemen of the 25th Battalion of the 54th Mechanized Brigade of the AFU decided to lay down their arms and surrender.

Ukrainian servicemen occupying a stronghold near Zvioroferma asked the Russian unit command via radio to cease fire and provide a corridor for exit.

Around 10 p.m., AFU servicemen with white flags began moving towards Russian positions.

At that moment, a Ukrainian nationalist barrier unit arrived at the stronghold in armored vehicles and opened crossfire in the back on the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

As a result of this shooting, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed.

This incident, as well as many others like it, clearly demonstrates that amid growing military failures and demoralization of Ukrainian troops, the Kiev nationalist regime is trying to stop the retreat and surrender of its units by punitive actions of barrier squads.

I have seen no evidence that supports the details of the above incident. But there have been public reports that somewhat prominent people who are opposed to the war or criticize the Zelenski regime get picked up the Ukrainian SBU (the former KGB) or some 'nationalist', ie. fascist  goons to then vanish. It is thereby not astonishing to read that similar events, on a likely larger scale, are happening at the frontline of the war.

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The Ukrainian artillery is said to fire only 6,000 rounds per day for lack artillery ammunition. Yesterday 300 projectiles were fired by the Ukrainian army or by 'nationalists' onto civilian areas of 'rebel' held city of Donetsk. There were at lest 7 dead and 22 wounded. Graham Phillips provides a video report of the impacts and damage (vid). To use 5% of the daily ammunition ration to terrorize civilians in Donetsk is not only despicable but dumb as those artillery troops will now receive intensified attention they deserve.

Levi @Levi_godman - 11:42 UTC · Jun 14, 2022
❗️The DPR asks Russia to use additional Iskanders and aircraft to destroy the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Meanwhile Russia is providing a humanitarian corridor for civilians and surrendering Ukrainian troops who leave the Azot chemical plant in Severodonetsk. The scheme is similar to the corridors at the Azov steelworks in Mariupol where it worked well.

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PavewayIV | Jun 14 2022 19:09 utc | 126

"My survival plan is to break into James' house, loot his food and liquor, then continue further north until I'm comfortably away from the crazies and nuclear fallout (or too drunk to care)".

Aaargh...Don't do that, liquor is a liquid asset. Barter it for a Bear skin that you can cuddle up to to get warm. Note, it is probably better if someone has skinned the Bear first.
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The stocking up on munitions dates from many years ago. I remember hearing about the buying of vast quantities of rifle ammunition by "local police forces" for "training" on rainy days. (Paramilitary forces). However, one more crash to take into account is the monetary one, where we are suddenly transformed into a cashless society. ie. my cash and assets become a possesion of "The one Bank". They will allow you some "credit", but how many ATM's or telephone charging points are there in Alaska or the far North when the power goes down?

This agenda is further advanced in the EU than the US, as ALL money held becomes "legally" theirs and we are only considered "unsecured creditors". We are supposed to have "lent/given/invested" the money to the Bank and it is theirs to seize in the case of disaster or Bankruptcy. We get virtually nothing in any case, Bond holders get their investment back first. They call it legal.
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The Ukrainians are not the only ones being shot in the back. We are as well. The mercenaries are all in the upper echelons of politics.
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Next up... unfriendly Aliens. Who will land in the mddle of a full grown war where all the belligerents are armed in clubs, vaxxed, boosted, starving and with empty liquor bottles as their only other means of defense.

The hic....?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 21:15 utc | 201

It's important to keep in mind that currently Russia is merely the lesser of evils. Putin has punched the globalists hard in the nose. Good on him for that, but he and Russia (as it now is) are hardly the hope of humanity.

Russia leads the world in abortion rates. In fact Mother Russia has more abortions than live births! Nice. Well, need we any more proof of how degenerate things are there?

Also, Russians were forced to get the jab (except for the political class it seems) even though a great many Russians opposed it. Sounds a lot like things elsewhere in the world.

Someone here recently pointed out how Russian television is just as stupid, dishonest and deranged as the stuff you'll see in the west. Though without the slick production standards.

In short, if we're expecting much from Russia we're fooling only ourselves.

Putin is a politician and no doubt he's a snake too. Just a smarter, more dangerous snake than the NATO fools - who are only now realizing just how much they underestimated him.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 21:20 utc | 202

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 21:15 utc | 198

Alarming... These totally crazy posts make perfect sense!

It seems we have been born, finally, in 'interesting times.'

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 21:21 utc | 203

[Slightly different topic, sorry]

What's going on in Yerevan?
Is there something brewing beneath the surface that is about to erupt?

Posted by: HossCara | Jun 14 2022 21:22 utc | 204

@ostro

dont overestimate Dimitry :) He failed in his tenure

Posted by: Macpott | Jun 14 2022 19:49 utc | 141

I am still puzzled by both Medvedev's very public demotion by Putin a couple of years ago and his apparent rehabilitation when this conflict started.

Does anyone have any insight into what happened to bring about both events?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 14 2022 21:22 utc | 205

The transcript of the Russian Security Council Meeting a few days prior to the Special OP gives the whole sorry story of the refusal of the West to ensure security in Europe (which includes Russia, obviously).

By 21st March Blinken was slow walking response to Russia's security document demands.

Demands. Not requests.

But there was no trust. This was very bluntly expressed by Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office Dmitry Kozak.

At the end of the meeting the President said "I have heard your opinions. The decision will be made later today." We know the result.

Read the transcript. How can Russia countenance 'mediators'? As Kozak said "...When they see the word “black,” they say it means “white.”"

There will be no mediators. But the Russians will certainly do mediation between legitimate interests. On the ground.

Posted by: powerandpeople | Jun 14 2022 21:23 utc | 206

karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 20:44 utc | 181

Crooke

Thus, in one sense, this ‘long war of attrition’ formula has certain ‘failure’ baked-in to it – for it was not military attrition, but the financial war that was configured as the West’s ‘first strike’ capacity. The “rouble would become rubble” almost immediately, as full-spectrum economic war collapsed Russia structurally (pulling down its will to fight in Ukraine). The warning to China (and others such as India), was expected to be stark.

At least that was the pre-war plan. Military action was never intended to be the ‘heavy lift’ for crushing Russia, but rather to act as the amplifier of domestic discontent as Russia’s economy crumbled under unprecedented sanctions.
That is the conclusion I came to after studying the oddities in the way Russia is conducting the SMO.

I read your write up, which you suggested in the last thread, a few hours ago.
I may be wrong but Hudson sees economic looting as the main driver behind what is occurring.

I believe the main driver is more along the lines of a Thucydides trap. Not just for the US but the Anglo world. Going from a position of 100's of years dominance to a position of irrelevance in a world with rising Asia and rebuilt and powerful Russia. There is also the irrational British hatred of Russia. Economic looting will be attempted for sure, but the US leadership appears too incompetent to even engage in successful looting.

Crook also referred to the security proposal Russia put to US and Nato. Either Putin or Lavrav have stated they are no longer relevant. I think they were a one off best offer. I think now, the destruction/disintegration of Nato is the goal.

One thing that is now becoming clear in this hybrid war. Economics will be the main weapon in what is now WWIII

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 14 2022 21:24 utc | 207

1. That seems absurd.

2. I still come down to the point that Russia invaded Ukraine while there were still other options-even if I believed **all** Russian arguments, which I don't.

Posted by: Chip Poirot | Jun 14 2022 15:43 utc | 11

1. It does not seem absurd, it IS absurd and it is a lie.

2. You opinion is a non sequitur, for you did not understand the situation. Further you are doing wrong claims to support your opinion. You are another armchair "diplomat" who did not understand the point of view of those under the shelling by the nazis for 8 years. You are clearly supporting the nazis, the assassinations of civilians for 8 years (for instance in Mariupol), etc.

You are calling this an "invasion", when it is a liberation war. So many inhabitants of Lugansk and Donetsk are claiming: "My jdali vocem let!" But of course nazis do not care about people, especially if they mother language is Russian.

You are a provocateur.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 14 2022 21:24 utc | 208

@204 I forget to place the end quote. The first two paragraphs down to "unprecedented sanctions" are Crooke.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 14 2022 21:27 utc | 209

Nice rosy assessment posted by @196.

If you read Strelkovs TG channel it is quite different. His view is that the RF forces are in a bad state and the general staff were and are corrupt and incompetent.

Another commentator in Russian:

(Use translation service like DeepL)

https://kenigtiger.livejournal.com/2152155.html

Discussing the possible military significance of the shelling of Donetsk, Strelkov writes that "the main forces [of the LNR and DNR - my note] continue to 'browbeat' the enemy's fortifications near Lysychansk and in the Slavyansk direction.

Let's be correct, at least in the area of the "neck" of the Lysychansk cauldron, which cannot be closed in any way, even the united forces of the LNR and DNR simply do not have the strength to "browbeat" anything.

Since our "SVO cartographers" are depressing and sad, let's turn to Ukropian maps.

Of course, where we see red ledges moving forward, there are already enemy fortifications, some of which are already ours. They, these fortifications, are everywhere now, the AFU can dig perfectly well, there is no shortage of shovels and picks, I suppose. But what you see on the screenshot doesn't look like "beating your head against what was dug around Zolote for many years of the static front".

As I wrote earlier, the artillery that was supposed to cover Donetsk from what is now happening has moved to the neck of the "Lisichansk cauldron" for some time now. Along with the most combat-ready units of 1 AK. In an attempt to personally organize another attack of which General Kutuzov died. So this whole strategic maneuver is no mystery to the AFU.

Here, when our generals simply do not have people left for crazy idiocy like "Go ahead, you will figure it out", slowly and painfully the experience of correct warfare is being accumulated. Finally on a larger scale than "one battalion and one battery attached to it.

Since the gasoline-powered Orlan-10 UAVs, capable of hovering for hours over the enemy's close rear, or similar vehicles for counter-battery warfare are critically lacking, the artillery of the 1st Army Corps decided to use it at its most effective - to support the offensive. When you have to take out the fortifications on the front line or in the second line, the "toy" Maviks are quite enough. In fact, just today I sent another Mavic 3 to the Donetsk people. Of course, it doesn't solve the problem of the enemy batteries in the rear, which wake up during the attack, but it is at least some efficiency.

Actually, if you missed it, read a recent separate text about it.

For the Kassad who raves about the frontal assaults on Avdeevka, which are supposedly an alternative to what is happening, it is advisable to get lost and look at the same Ukrainian map in the Avdeevka area. We also ran out of men there for February-March-April-style frontal assaults, and our people there have long been going around Avdeevka via Verkhnetoretskoye-Novobakhmutovka.

That is, the question is not that it is more inconvenient to chew through the AFU defense in the DNR than in the LNR. The question is that, in the absence of the necessary number of gasoline-powered aircraft-type UAVs capable of providing successful counter-battery warfare, the artillery capable of this struggle is quite logically removed from near Donetsk and transferred to the place where it can help the infantry to achieve the maximum result. And this result, if you look at the map, is objectively looming larger as a result of the closing of the Lisichansk cauldron.

Of course, the AFU is interested in pulling the artillery away from the neck of the "cauldron," and that is why they are organizing "Luhansk 2014" in Donetsk. By the way, I do not rule out that, as Strelkov writes, the AFU may try to take some positions near Donetsk, so that both artillery and infantry can return there. In fact, if I were them, I would be redeploying forces to do just that right now, watching the Donetsk infantry moving further and further around Vrubovka and bypassing Zolote via Kamyshevakha. If this kind of attack by the AFU succeeds, it will "freeze" the front for a long time, and not in the most advantageous configuration for us. I mean, maybe one more general will go and kill himself on Ukrainian artillery before that, but then the front will "freeze" after all.

And now, as Grubnik rightly pointed out, the civilians of Donetsk are paying with their own blood for years of stories by Russian generals and their backstabbers in plain clothes about how everything in our army is fine, we have everything, and "we'll give the Khokhlovs a piece of our mind".

(Continues at link above)

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 21:30 utc | 210

Here lies absolutely the best comment section of its type on the web (and I've read a few).
Thanks for all the thought provoking points of view.

Posted by: Bandit | Jun 14 2022 21:31 utc | 211

@ karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 20:44 utc | 181

Francis continues to issue ugly WWIII agitprop, good friend. Want to see what Francis has to say to his US American flock? Consult "America's Oldest Catholic Newspaper" The Pilot:

The war in Ukraine is now one of several regional wars that "for years have taken a heavy toll of death and destruction," the pope said in the message dated June 13, the feast of St. Anthony of Padua, patron saint of the poor. The Vatican released the pope's message June 14.

"Yet here the situation is even more complex due to the direct intervention of a 'superpower' aimed at imposing its own will in violation of the principle of the self-determination of peoples. Tragic scenarios are being reenacted and once more reciprocal extortionate demands made by a few potentates are stifling the voice of a humanity that cries out for peace," he wrote.

http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.php?ID=192583

Words from the Pope's pen, unambiguously taking sides -- that's what it sounds like to me.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 14 2022 21:32 utc | 212

Karlof1@195
“ I have politely told him he is incorrect “ Trump discussion

Actually, you are quite patronizing, not polite. Your opinions are yours to hold ,as are mine. It is not for you to decide what opinion is correct or not. I have been writing today that Trump has fulfilled what his electorate was promised and expected him to do. This is direct contradiction presented with facts to your diatribe about what party is flawed and beholden to unreachable elites.

Posted by: Bobolinsky | Jun 14 2022 21:33 utc | 213

re: ArmchairWarlord on twitter mentioned above - actual handle is @ArmchairW

https://nitter.net/ArmchairW

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 21:33 utc | 214

Paco @194--

Thanks for your reply. IMO, a generalized policy was developed and adhered to beginning at WW2's outset for the USA to become the dominant Master. After the war, specific events on both large and small scales were organized to help that process, which was more general during the Cold War only to become more micromanaged since 1991. As European sovereignty was slowly eliminated and basic democracy increasingly ignored, the stage was set for the big takeover via the Lisbon Treaty. Now aside from local elections, Europe's citizenry is mostly powerless since their national Parliaments and executives are mostly suborned by the EU directorate, the case of Greece being the most acute. And the EU is controlled by NATO which is controlled by the Outlaw US Empire.

Looks like the heat wave will be too brief to become political except along the southern and eastern coasts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 21:34 utc | 215

@ Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 21:15 utc | 198

i read a funny story on preppers - one of them inside ukraine in kiev.. you or others might get a kick out of this story..

The H*hol Diaries - Chapter 2: Hunkering Down For Nuclear Holocaust

Posted by: james | Jun 14 2022 21:36 utc | 216

@MarkU, so are you saying Russia is guilty of war crimes? Seeing how they've destroyed "civilian infrastructure"... like the Retroville shopping mall in Kiev?

Russia has definitely destroyed bridges, power substations, etc.

War crimes?

So, please explain why it is NOT a war crime to destroy some "civilian infrastructure"... but it IS a war crime to destroy some more.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 21:36 utc | 217

Can Google suppress trends? /sarc

Posted by: FredF | Jun 14 2022 21:37 utc | 218

It's important to keep in mind that currently Russia is merely the lesser of evils.
Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 21:20 utc | 199

AHA! I see that you are a pupil of that famous US American colonist of European intellectual history and political philosophy, Aristotle. Aristot. Nic. Eth. 1131b

The just in this sense is therefore the proportionate, and the unjust is that which violates proportion. The unjust may therefore be either too much or too little; and this is what we find in fact, for when injustice is done, the doer has too much and the sufferer too little of the good in question; 3. [15] though vice versa in the case of an evil, because a lesser evil in comparison with a greater counts as a good, 3. [16] since the lesser of two evils is more desirable than the greater, but what is desirable is good, and the more desirable it is, the greater good it is.3. [17]

Fabulous! I'll bet you've read every Federlist Paper beginning to end, too. Now, tell us: How many nation-states at war constitutes a "world war"?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 21:38 utc | 219

I am still puzzled by both Medvedev's very public demotion by Putin a couple of years ago...

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 14 2022 21:22 utc | 202
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There was no "public demotion" as such, only western MSM thought so, or wanted to paint one for their gullible readers. Medvedev is the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council and the Leader of Jedyna Russia, the ruling party at the Duma.
Lavrov, Medvedev, Miller and Putin are from Leningrad, and a team. Putin, Medvedev are not politicians as the way the western world knows/thinks. Its a duty, to the people and to the country. This is not that easy to fathom to the western-minded people.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 21:42 utc | 220

On energy
A little bit/beat out of thread... or not.

French nuclear lobby, and clows politics or actors [Macron is an honest one, as Ze... ] focused always on nuclear electricity, supposedly 80% of needs.
But electricity is only a small part of the energy needed and not very efficient for a lot of industries.
And the consumption of electricity is mostly and more important for household, offices, urban transportation, etc...
If we can survive without AC in house and some cheap hotels [😅], try to shut AC off in commercial mall, office building, conference rooms, etc....

And for example for Aluminum. French company Pechiney grew to be the world's 4th largest producer and developer of aluminium products, bauxite was cheap in French colonies, electricity cheap in France [but needed 100000Kwh/ton]. Nuclear energy was a derivative of the building of H-bomb in the 70'. After 1985 all those heavy industrial consumption of electricity disappeared really fast.

Just for the fun.
to be produced, a tank like a Leclerc or Leopard needs plus/minus 75 tons of steel and titanium and probably 500 MWh [5600Kwh/ton for basic steel],coal and gas.
To run it 200l[heavy crude]/100km [road trip, 5 times more on open terrain].

As Martianov could say, how much to run a Btg for just one weekend?
And to rebuild a few things after delivery to EU east borders? Can Russia help?

Stay focused on logistics.
France and Germany [Nexter and RheinMetall are working on an hybrid solution, really but LOL]

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 14 2022 21:43 utc | 221

Does anyone have any insight into what happened to bring about both events?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 14 2022 21:22 utc | 202

He understood all the hatred from the West toward Russia. He understood that the West wants to destroy Russia.

You should follow him on his Telegram channel.

Otherwise:
https://www.teletrader.com/us-spreads-mad-hatred-towards-russia-medvedev/news/details/57510219?internal=1&ts=1655242973416

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 14 2022 21:44 utc | 222

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 14 2022 19:53 utc | 145

You sound like Karloff's french friend who he contacted specially to prove he was not wrong. I couldn't see your point from your link, but I'll check it.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 21:45 utc | 223

Latest Russian MoD briefing...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision long-range Kalibr missiles near Priluki, Chernigov region, have destroyed AFU arsenal of artillery weapons and ammunition.

In addition, high-precision air-based missiles have hit 11 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment, 8 firing positions of AFU artillery units, including 3 platoons of Grad multiple-launch rocket systems near Bakhmut and Pereezdnoe in Donetsk People's Republic, Lisichansk in Lugansk People's Republic, and 2 ammunition depots on the southern outskirts of Kharkov and near Gorskoe in Lugansk People's Republic.

Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 101 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 350 nationalists, 3 command posts, 13 tanks and other armored fighting vehicles, 6 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 14 field artillery mounts and 22 special vehicles have been destroyed.

Russian air defense means have shot down 1 MiG-29 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Slavyansk in Donetsk People's Republic and 1 Mi-24 helicopter near Snegirevka in Nikolaev region.

9 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down nnear Chervonaya Gusarovka, Bolshie Prokhody, Malaya Kamyshevakha in Kharkov region, Apostolovo in Dnepropetrovsk region, Donetsk, Levkovka, and Yakovlevka in Donetsk People's Republic.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile near Vernopol'e, Kharkov region, and 14 Smerch rockets near Donetsk, Aleksandrovka, Donetsk People's Republic, Popasnaya, Lugansk People's Republic, and Sukhaya Kamenka, Kharkov region, have been intercepted.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 280 areas of AFU concentration of manpower and military equipment, 18 command posts, 59 firing positions of artillery and mortar units, as well as 1 fuel depot near Konstantinovka in Donetsk People's Republic.

In total, 202 Ukrainian airplanes and 131 helicopters, 1,205 unmanned aerial vehicles, 338 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,548 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 521 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,947 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,605 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

The Ukrainian army continues to suffer significant losses during the special military operation.

I would like to note that in recent weeks, incidents involving the shooting of Ukrainian servicemen in the back by nationalist units have become more frequent in areas of military operations. Thus, after a fire preparation for an attack by Russian troops near Novomikhailovka in Donetsk People's Republic, more than 30 servicemen of the 25th Battalion of the 54th Mechanized Brigade of AFU decided to lay down their arms and surrender.

Ukrainian servicemen occupying a stronghold near Zvioroferma asked the Russian unit command via radio to cease fire and provide a corridor for exit.
Around 10 p.m., AFU servicemen with white flags began moving towards Russian positions.

At that moment, Ukrainian nationalist barrier unit arrived at the stronghold in armored vehicles and opened crossfire in the back on the servicemen of the 54th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. As a result of this shooting, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed.

This incident, as well as many others like it, clearly demonstrates that amid growing military failures and demoralization of Ukrainian troops, the Kiev nationalist regime is trying to stop the retreat and surrender of its units by punitive actions of barrier squads.

The lives of Ukrainian servicemen and mobilized fighters of territorial defence units mean nothing to the current leadership of Ukraine.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 21:47 utc | 224

preliminary unconfirmed report that Vrubivka is breaking after a hard fight. Near Popasna, for the Zolote pocket. Long awaited development leading the way to expelling or neutralizing the brigade seized force suppressed to be forming the Southern flank of UA Lisichansk position. When neutralized, will make the RF Popasna area less fragile and opens the way to close in on the larger Lisichansk position from the South.

https://nitter.net/200_zoka/status/1536809281621741569#m

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 21:49 utc | 225

It's time to play "I'm Dumber Than You". In this corner we have Uncle Sam who has found a lost cause and is willing to spend hundreds of billions on weapons for the most corrupt fake country for years to come. In this corner we have Crazy Ivan who let's the enemy hold and steal his reserves while selling strategic commodities like titanium, uranium, oil, gas to support the military of the enemy that wants to destroy him. Go to your corners and at the bell punch yourselves in the face.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Jun 14 2022 21:49 utc | 226

@ karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 20:44 utc | 181

I've scanned your Colonization article. I agree with the attention given to the grouping of countries, facilitating their obeisance and subjugation to the US. Then I was really looking for a strong counter to the repeated falsely bragging about "democracy" by the US and their puppets. Then I came upon a mention of democracy, with a question mark, fourth sentence from the end.

But the populations of those nations never voted to place illegal sanctions in the first place, so why punish them as the politicos who did the deed are mostly immune from any consequences of their actions (and there lies the main crux of European citizen's problems--no democracy)?

To me the loss of democracy, governance by the people, is a key factor on why everything is screwed up. It warrants more attention. Citizens have no say in what their countries do, including war. In Europe it's worse, with unelected layers controlling countries. Actually the fact that they (EU, etc) are unelected isn't a huge change from governments who are elected, since the representatives typically don't work for the electers but for their financial supporters. The US Congress is bought-and-paid-for.

How dare they brag about being democracies just because they hold meaningless elections? And here we get into China's retort to the Western democracy claim: There are different ways to include citizens in governance, and don't knock it, US, because you don't have democracy -- governance by the people. Neither do European countries, with more layers between the citizens and governance. My point -- the lack of democracy matters everywhere and even more so in Europe. The consequences are terrible for citizens.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 21:50 utc | 227

auto-correct in full effect, above

brigade *sized* force...

*supposed* to be forming...

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 21:50 utc | 228

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 21:30 utc | 207

Strelkov is apparently a butt-hurt loser, according to Martyanov. He's not on the line, so he knows squat. Ignore him. He's nothing but a concern troll.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 21:52 utc | 229

Posted by: FredF | Jun 14 2022 21:37 utc | 214

I've noted with interest over the past two months , that GOOG has programmed search result item anchor tags to redirect initially to a "relevant" advertiser landing page. This is an old URL masking technique. More recently, my chrome browser search field redirects to bing.com search results, contravening default engine preference. Have you noticed this?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 21:52 utc | 230

"Russia leads the world in abortion rates. In fact Mother Russia has more abortions than live births! Nice. Well, need we any more proof of how degenerate things are there"

you said "need any more proof" but you didn't provide any proof at all.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 14 2022 21:57 utc | 231

@ NewWorldDisorder | Jun 14 2022 21:49 utc | 222

selling strategic commodities like titanium, uranium, oil, gas to support the military of the enemy that wants to destroy him

Wanting to destroy doesn't mean capability to destroy, which is where Russia rules. Plus they make money selling stuff to the loser, and they can turn it off any time! How clever.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 21:58 utc | 232

William Gruff@152 - "Given time to think about it, and just cause on the side the rebels, almost any nation's military will become extremely unreliable after being ordered to kill their own civilians."

This makes perfect sense. Yet, Ukraine soldiers have willingly killed their fellow citizens in the separatist regions at the behest of the Kiev government. Not all of these were jack-booted Nazi Azov thugs, but all were groomed to hate Russia. Crushing Ukraine separatist was straight out of the old neocon playbook: deflect ZATO-backed Kiev's own corruption and uselessness by demonizing an outside actor (Russia or Ukraine Russophones, in this case), then mis-assigning your own citizens' legitimate rebellion against your rules to that outside actor. Rally your citizens and soldiers to revile and fight this manufactured enemy including 'elimination' of any of your citizen chattel that may be under enemy influence.

What makes you think that the corrupt, useless U.S. government wouldn't do the exact same thing here? That is, use the MSM and mechanisms of state to enlist citizens/soldiers to kill fellow (but 'evil') citizens/soldiers? One doesn't need much imagination to tick off a dozen manufactured 'internal threats' that our deep-state owners here could use to rally a good portion of the U.S. population to willingly attack, subdue or kill deep-state enemies, i.e., other dangerous 'terrorist' citizens/soldiers. They wouldn't position this as a civil war - anything but that. It would be sold as defense against a rogue, terroristic population that musts be subdued, isolated or eliminated. A police/anti-terrorist action (to protect the government, not the constitution). It's B's Ukraine hysteria - and they keep using it over and over because IT WORKS. If it doesn't, then they'll just double-down on stupid and do it again with even more conviction. That's how psychopaths think. It's entirely predictable.

Look at how successful the deep state was at convincing the population here to support every unjustified, useless war in the last five decades. Look at how many U.S. citizens are slobbering over themselves about Ukraine's 'justified' use of Nazis to punish their own rebellious 'pro-Russian' citizens. If there's one thing you can always sell the U.S. population, it's demonized, cartoon villains that we need to attack for our own freedom and safety - no matter how ridiculous that premise. Logic and sense simply have no place in the considerations of an ignorant public willing to lap up such nonsense. How can anyone possibly fix that magnitude of naivety?

No, I'll have to argue that 'the government' here in the U.S. has an uncanny ability to convince one group of citizens/soldiers to kill another group for the most cringeworthy of reasons. They will not hesitate use that same propaganda black magic inside the U.S. to preserve their wealth and power if/when the time comes. It's just been more beneficial for the deep state (until now) to keep all of that outside our borders. Dead foreigners don't pay any U.S. taxes and they don't vote. See? Useless!

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 14 2022 22:01 utc | 233

To me the loss of democracy, governance by the people, is a key factor on why everything is screwed up.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 21:50 utc | 223

Sorry, but democracy never existed. It means that it was never "lost". The power is not only about politics, but also about economy and finance. Did it ever be an economic democracy? Never. Did it ever be a financial democracy? Never.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 14 2022 22:04 utc | 234

@ 212 james - thanks!! I am trying to figure out where to store all the canned food, rice, beans and lead i am hoarding.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 14 2022 22:10 utc | 235

Peter AU1 @204--

Thanks for your reply. 100% of Crooke's essay IMO could've been citied depending on one's writing frame. It's hard to fathom the utter ineptness of those who planned the economic war side of the Outlaw US Empire's assault. After 2018, it was clear Russia was mostly immune to any further sanctions. Likely the result of closeminded group think. Plus, the complete ignoring of the many important aspects of the Empire's economy that's 100% dependent on Russian resources or expertise. All those involved deserve to be fired, but they won't, and they'll continue to make mistakes. Like Hitler, they constitute Russia and China's best ally. There was a time when China's policy was to keep a low profile while it developed. Then suddenly or so it seemed, China was declared The Future by none other than NY Times Tom Friedman in the early 2000s.

In 2001's Treaty of Good-Neighborliness and Friendly Cooperation Between the People's Republic of China and the Russian Federation Article 12's first part says:

"The contracting parties shall work together for the maintenance of global strategic balance and stability and make great efforts in promoting the observation of the basic agreements relevant to the safeguard and maintenance of strategic stability."

That tells me that over the next 21 years, Russia and China have worked together to ensure no Thucydides Trap arises, that the Outlaw US Empire be allowed to fade away as quietly as possible--with a whimper, not a bang. I could cite other documents, but this most important initial one will do as it contains many more articles that aim to return the world to UN Charter based Law instead of the Imperial diktat of Colonialism. And it's become extremely clear that Russia and China know far more about their adversary than it knows about them, to the point where that ignorance has turned all attempts at a coercive policy into folly.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:10 utc | 236

cheap in French colonies
Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 14 2022 21:43 utc | 217

PREPOSTEROUS! There are no colonies in this century. There are only trade "partners" who accept their obligations to "balance" the rules-based commodity markets, whenever "spare capacity" may be delivered. At any price, denominated in USD, of course.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 22:11 utc | 237

Strelkov is apparently a butt-hurt loser, according to Martyanov. He's not on the line, so he knows squat. Ignore him. He's nothing but a concern troll.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 21:52 utc | 225

You are confirming my impression.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 14 2022 22:11 utc | 238

@225; Terrific, professional rebuttal.

I am well aware of Girkins reputation, note the LJ post I excerpted is a different commentator entirely.

I have noticed in the Anglo blogosphere everyone loves Martynov and a few other pundits as long as they don’t suddenly “lose faith”.

Quite how Martynov - a US based emigre who was a modest naval officer in the Soviet Union for five years in the 1980s - and who left Russia entirely in the early 1990s - is such a renowned military scholar of the RF forces today - and so much more credible than the man who held Slavyansk against the UAF in 2014 for 85 days - escapes me.

Maybe he is popular and quoted a lot because he tells disenchanted Western citizens what they want to hear - that the glorious Red Army will smash all in its path?

He does have books to sell you.

Well, certainly I would prefer that he is correct. And I hope if he is not that the RF clear out some dead wood and turn things around.

But deluding yourself is foolish. War with NATO is not a fun walk in the park that you are guaranteed to win easily.

The weakness of Putinism - too naive, too many oligarchs.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 22:13 utc | 239

PREPOSTEROUS! There are no colonies in this century. There are only trade "partners" who accept their obligations to "balance" the rules-based commodity markets, whenever "spare capacity" may be delivered. At any price, denominated in USD, of course.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 22:11 utc | 233

Of course there are colonies! EU is an US colony for instance. And US an Israel colony. Do you need more examples?

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 14 2022 22:14 utc | 240

Aleph_Null @208--

The article you cite could easily be read another way:

"Yet here the situation is even more complex due to the direct intervention of a 'superpower' aimed at imposing its own will in violation of the principle of the self-determination of peoples."

That could easily refer to the 2014 coup which deprived Ukrainians of their self-determination by what most considered the sole "superpower"--then Outlaw US Empire.

Don't allow biases to cloud your thinking. Yes, that's a hard task calling for wisdom and maturity. Something many must learn.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:15 utc | 241

james | Jun 14 2022 21:36 utc | 212

"Packing sardines in the basement"..? (Quote) So that is what preppers do to pass the time?

One lot of preppers' basements I would love to have untramelled access to, are in London. Apparently most of the really rich houses in London have basements that go down several stories. These are said to have "safe" rooms - that are more like safes than rooms. ie. With gold, art and artifacts, some possibly stolen or mixed with other ill gotten gains.
Many have cinemas and some have swimming pools to wile away those long sunsets on the imitation countrysides shown on their ultra wide screens (OK. I'm inventing there).

Bunkers, of which there are several small examples being shown to the public so they can go "oooh and aaah", can be much larger. At one time I followed the "progress" of "noises of tunneling under villages in the UK". (What, was never specified) It is quite conceivable that one reason the Foreign Office and all those mercenary types in the Uk are so blasé about a nuclear war - is that they have a ticket to enter a hole in the concrete.

I haven't been invited. Nor would I want to, as in the case of a real war and a real bomb, the heat spreads downwards, and grills the inhabitants, rather like flash roasted chicken flesh.

I would prefer to join PavewayIV bottled up in the far north, although I am not choosy about the continent.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 22:15 utc | 242

@sln2002, could you smart 215 up for me? Thanks.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 22:16 utc | 243

Bobolinsky @209--

Thanks for your reply. All I have to say is you need to learn a great many things that you currently don't know. That may seem condescending, but it remains a fact. Until you understand that the fundamental principle of Divide and Rule is used by both factions of our one political party, you'll remain in your rut and be unable to explain past and current events, for the use of that tool goes way back in US History, to its beginnings in fact.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:20 utc | 244

1/ There has to be a point at which NATO 'assistance to Ukraine' becomes, in legal terms war against Russia.
According to RT
"The US is sending Ukraine heavy guided missiles with a range of 70km for use with the HIMARS multiple rocket launchers, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin Kahl revealed on Tuesday. The White House previously said that HIMARS launchers would be provided with “battlefield munitions,” widely understood to be unguided rockets with a shorter range. .."
In another story, from the Independent RT claims:

"As many as 3,000 British nationals are fighting alongside Ukrainian troops against Russian forces, Britain’s The Independent newspaper reported on Tuesday, citing a foreign volunteer unit commander.

"Mamuka Mamulashvili, who leads the so-called Georgian Legion, told journalists that a total of nearly 20,000 foreign fighters are currently serving in volunteer units in Ukraine. According to Mamulashvili’s estimates, almost a seventh of them are UK citizens, or almost 3,000...."

This intervention cannot be explained as voluntary. Obviously the states from which these 'mercenaries' come are involved. They may even be paying them directly.

Russia obviously knows a lot more than it is telling us, probably because if the scale and extent of NATO governmental involvement were clear it would be impossible to deny that what is happening is a Civil War in which NATO has chosen to enable direct attacks on Russia. Which would justify any Russian attacks on NATO targets in western Europe.

2/ These events have made it irrefutable that what are currently called International Institutions are entirely controlled by the United States. They are for all practical purposes useless. It is surely time that, in order to monitor properly and honestly, such things as the truth about the bio-labs and the many attacks on Ukrainian nationals by the Ukrainian government, (for example the Bucha events and the continuing shelling of civilian targets in the Donbas) an organisation not controlled by Washington be charged with investigating and reporting on disputed and criminal actions in the war.
Neither the OPCW, the IAEA, the OSCE or the UN deserves the extension of their undeserved credibility that the support of the international community (the real one) sustains.
The brazen effrontery with which the US controls the UN is exhibited graphically in this story about Libya: https://journal-neo.org/2022/06/14/libya-in-the-throes-of-a-serious-political-crisis/


Posted by: bevin | Jun 14 2022 22:20 utc | 245

@ Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 21:36 utc | 213 :

That has already been answered: see Leuk | Jun 14 2022 20:49 utc | 182.

To address just one of your examples: The Retroville shopping center housed Ukrainian military vehicles in its subterranean garage, as is well known from videos made just prior to the explosion, and there's reasonable suspicion, based on the size of the explosion, that it housed munitions as well.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 22:22 utc | 246

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 14 2022 22:04 utc | 230

Indeed. There is no "democracy" in the US Constitution. It is literally the several republics, end to end, evidently cut from Plato's cloth.
An economic interpretation of the Constitution of the United States (1914)

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 22:23 utc | 247

Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 18:53 utc | 108

You appear to be impatient...It is very difficult for impatient sorts to see what the RF is doing.

Posted by: donten | Jun 14 2022 22:24 utc | 248

Do you need more examples?
Posted by: Olivier | Jun 14 2022 22:14 utc | 236

Yes. The first two are defective.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 22:25 utc | 249

Chip Poirot | Jun 14 2022 18:54 utc | 109

Let's try this: by their actions, you shall know them.

Posted by: donten | Jun 14 2022 22:26 utc | 250

At times looks like stupidity, but at times it seems like a thought out demolition plan.
Posted by: Paco | Jun 14 2022 21:03 utc | 194

Stupidity would, accidentally, get it right more often.

Posted by: Rae | Jun 14 2022 22:26 utc | 251

Clearly the Anglo Zionist strategy is to first 'weaken" or destroy Russia using Ukraine with the punch drunk EU compeditor/vasal as bonus collateral damage. Then the USUKA is free to deploy the same tired, obvious and sleazy tactics to weaken China and propagandise the public for the coming conflict......

"The media has been preparing the world for the conflict for years. America’s hawks put huge sums of time and money into financing dissent in Asia and partnering with the Western media to create the impression that the people of Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet and Taiwan, want independence from mainland China — although surveys overwhelmingly show that this is the opposite of the truth".

Together Russia and China present a too formidable combination for the would be Anglo/Zionist bullies to takkle individually. The bully likes to pick on small defenceless countries individually. The BRI and the concecrent profitable two way trade causes a neuralgic reaction among the Anglo/Zionist primacists far greater than the mutually benificial EU/ Russia NS2 could ever engender, therefore:

"US military experts say a war over Taiwan is desirable, because Asia’s growth to become the world's economic heartland has become unstoppable.

Yes, we want war. But just a small one, please, followed by a quick surrender. The United States is diligently working with Australia and the UK to goad China into what they hope will be a limited war over Taiwan, according to military strategists. By continually poking at the giant developing nation, the aim is to force it to fire the first bullet — and then use that to paint China as the protagonist, the bully that the rest of the world must unite against...."

"....The war or “coming conflict” with China has been discussed in multiple forums and publications, not least of which is a new book by Elbridge Colby, one of the writers of the US National Defense Strategy. It argues that escalating Taiwan tensions into a conflict gives America a chance at winning, unlike a Cold War arms race...."

https://johnmenadue.com/strategists-admit-west-is-goading-china-into-war/

Posted by: Paul | Jun 14 2022 22:27 utc | 252

@ Olivier | Jun 14 2022 22:04 utc | 230
To me the loss of democracy. . .Sorry, but democracy never existed

Point well taken, I should have said lack not loss. Thank you.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 22:27 utc | 253

I have been writing today that Trump has fulfilled what his electorate was promised and expected him to do. This is direct contradiction presented with facts to your diatribe about what party is flawed and beholden to unreachable elites.

Posted by: Bobolinsky | Jun 14 2022 21:33 utc | 209

I recall that in Trump's 2016 campaign, he railed against the federal deficit and vowed to drain the swamp. Neither of these was fulfilled. (I'm not claiming that either would have been easy.)

Posted by: David Levin | Jun 14 2022 22:28 utc | 254

Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 18:55 utc | 11

Machik Labdron: Mind is like a thief in an empty house.

Posted by: donten | Jun 14 2022 22:29 utc | 255

... I'll have to argue that 'the government' here in the U.S. has an uncanny ability to convince one group of citizens/soldiers to kill another group for the most cringeworthy of reasons.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 14 2022 22:01 utc | 229

It seems that way for sure. Just look at the campaign about "domestic terrorists" arbitrarily defined as various kinds of opponents to state dogma, from vaccines and school programs to immigration and racism.

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 14 2022 22:30 utc | 256

Soi | Jun 14 2022 18:58 utc | 114

Thank you for your incredibly thin reasoning. Have a nice day.

Posted by: donten | Jun 14 2022 22:32 utc | 257

Jimmy Dore finally makes it to RIA Novosti! The article describes him as a “political analyst”, an “expert” and a “specialist”. Jimmy, your self-deprecating line about a “pot-head comedian sitting in his garage” no longer works. We know you’re an expert! :-)

In the U.S. they admit that they made a terrible mistake against Putin (RIA Novosti, June 14, 2022 — in Russian)

The U.S. government mistakenly thought President Vladimir Putin was bluffing about Russia’s economic power, political analyst James Dore said in his YouTube show.

He recalled that in 2014, South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham argued that Russia was economically comparable to Italy. Then the parliamentarian said that he did not understand how Putin manages to win a game of poker, “having such weak cards on his hands”.

“The ruble is becoming the most reliable currency in the world. Moscow is winning the economic confrontation. The reverse effect of the sanctions is causing an increase in fuel and food prices around the world. … It is extremely rare for the West to make such monstrous mistakes in assessing economies,” the expert explained.

In his opinion, it would be more correct to compare the Russian economy with that of Germany, the largest in Europe, or even with that of Japan. An attempt to break off trade cooperation with Moscow may results in a restructuring of the entire global market, the specialist concluded.

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 22:33 utc | 258

@ PavewayIV | Jun 14 2022 22:01 utc | 229

Your question is a good one. In the 404 example, you have the "real" Ukrainians like Azovites in charge of the units; they believe that the Russians in the east of the country are untermenschen, their blood sullied with that of Mongols and the like. As for the grunts, they obey orders either because they're like-minded, or because they don't want to be shot for insufficient battlefield enthusiasm.

Mutatis mutandis I think the only effective way to have American soldiers happily wading in the blood of fellow Americans would be to set them against those whom an individual troop, battalion, or whatever would regard as "internal enemies." This would be most easily effected by, say, segregating the troops such that (e.g.) white soldiers of a particular Aryan bent would be sent into various ghettos (black, gay, Latino). But our armed forces aren't set up that way. As (I think) karlof1 mentioned, the police can be counted on to shoot just about anyone, but I doubt that would be sufficient for a violent overthrow of authority. And given the impossibility of the Republicans' losing in 2022 and, most likely, 2024 as well, I just don't see the question as terribly topical.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 22:34 utc | 259

Don Bacon @223--

Thanks for your reply, Don. I agree very much with your review. Way down the wall are articles comparing/contrasting the democratic nature of China versus the Outlaw US Empire. I've long known that I need to write another based on lectures given in PolySci and history courses. Throughout my home library I've many excellent citable works on the subject. I worked for Nader in 2000 precisely because he harped on that basic drawback in our system at the federal level. I've written about small bits as to why we have that problem as it stems from several big defects in the 1787 Constitution. Hell, Russians and Chinese enjoy more democracy than us and Europeans, but you can't convince ignorant people controlled by The Narrative.

I know many Europeans are aware of the morass they're stuck in. IMO Europeans need to repeat 1848's many revolutions for the EU structure is just as Monarchical now as then. This essay at Saker's is all about Europeans's dilemma and tangentially ours too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:38 utc | 260

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 22:13 utc | 235

Look, stupid. You can be as sarcastic as you like, but it's all bullshit. Go over to Martyanov's blog and rant. See how long you last. The rest of your comment is simply shit. Clearly you're nothing but another concern troll, and we have far too many of those here as it is. So kindly GTFO.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 22:39 utc | 261

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 21:20 utc | 199

Also, Russians were forced to get the jab (except for the political class it seems) even though a great many Russians opposed it. Sounds a lot like things elsewhere in the world

I have a friend who made identical claim a few months back and he supported his claim by citing text from Rissia Insider written by some obscure guy Riley Waggaman. I guess you have the same source for your claim.
Claim is false, of course.


Posted by: Vajezatha | Jun 14 2022 22:43 utc | 262

breaking news :
EU and China supports Russian SMO for more than 100days

Germany and China fighting for Gold medal at 12€billions
Italy & Netherlands on the podium 8€billions
France only helps for 4€billions

Animated on
https://southfront.org/import-of-russian-fossil-fuels-by-countries-since-launch-of-military-operation-in-ukraine-crea/

Posted by: La Bastille | Jun 14 2022 22:43 utc | 263

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 22:15 utc | 238
""Packing sardines in the basement"..? (Quote) So that is what preppers do to pass the time?"

I follow some prepper channels on Youtube. I've mentioned Canadian Prepper here a couple times. Prepping is a big topic. Unfortunately off-topic here. But storing food is just a basic prep. As preppers point out, food is a good investment because it's only going to get more expensive in the future and it's something you can't do without.

As for bunkers, Canadian Prepper is friends with one of the biggest bunker makers. According to him, there's never been such a huge demand for them.

Check out CP's Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfgtuaUadGgOA-91geQ8Qog

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 22:44 utc | 264

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FihWXg_ap6w
Colin H. Kahl who is under Secretary of Defense for Policy mentioned that "..we are going to provide the Ukrainians what they need to prosecute the targets inside Ukrainian territory" starting from around 12:30

That was readily brought to the public attention by Russian media sites.
Some voices on Russian side are asking - will US surveilance drones be shot down over that (those which are flying over the Black Sea and around 300 km away for front line)? Or perhaps surveilance satellites (using A-235 anti ballistic rocket system which claims 1000-1500km strike range and equipped with nuclear warhead). Better than striking the decision centers (as Putin promised before)
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British style is always unique :-)
Ukraine war: 3,000 British volunteers fighting on Ukrainian side against Russia, says Georgian commander
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-3-000-british-volunteers-fighting-on-ukrainian-side-against-russia-says-georgian-commander-12633139
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Some Russian sources are claiming - after today's advance they are close to take under fire control the Ukrainian supply lines for Lysychansk/Syevyerodonetsk. According to some estimations more than 20K Ukrainians troops are holding lines in this region.
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Seems both sides are mentioning that Ukrainians suffered heavy losses around the Harkov city. But extend of casualties is unknown.
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Loosk like Medvedev partially took Zhirinovsky role, after latter lost his life. His latest post on the telegram:
"USA can't survive without our fertilizer, food, emergy sources, raw materials, nuclear fuel Russia provides. Their service. and digital currency based economic train is going to toss over the wall soon. The results of sanctions will be harvested this Fall". This is a bit interesting as:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-13/us-quietly-urges-russia-fertilizer-deals-to-unlock-grain-trade?sref=ZMFHsM5Z
"The US government is quietly encouraging agricultural and shipping companies to buy and carry more Russian fertilizer, according to people familiar with the efforts, as sanctions fears have led to a sharp drop in supplies, fueling spiraling global food costs."
Looks like Russians hold option over the export ban on these goods as a retaliation for the USA involvement. Doing that before the upcoming election in USA to trigger more inflation and rise energy cost could put Democratic party into much tougher position.
Seems, USA population is more concerned about inflation and are loosing interest to the Ukraine war (according to the google stats). The freezer beats the TV. as always.

Peace to all.

Posted by: asehi | Jun 14 2022 22:44 utc | 265

In Odessa, the officers of the Ukrainian military enlistment office issue summons to vacationers on the beaches, with the help of the police. Some men manage to run away.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 20:17 utc | 162

Now that 404 is conscripting women, they might be well advised to stay off the beaches too. I suppose eventually only toddlers and seniors will be able to leave home without being picked up by roving "enlisters."

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 22:45 utc | 266

Oliver @230--

Sorry, but you're incorrect. Democracy exists in a great many places, although not in some that matter most. Local city councils, school boards, labor unions, county governments, tribal councils, PTA meetings, student councils, Corporate Boards, Stockholder Meetings, and the list goes on and on. Please take a moment after your knee jerks to think.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:46 utc | 267

@donten, I understand NATO's perfidy regarding Russia and I want to see Russia victorious in the smo. I also recognize Putin is going about winning it in a strange way. Does he have an ace up his sleeve and is just waiting for the right moment to play it? Who knows?

In any event he seems to want to draw things out. We'll know in the end.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 22:49 utc | 268

@ Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 21:36 utc | 213

It is not a war crime when military infrastructure is targeted. If the Ukro-Nazis choose to place their military in civilian areas then it on their heads when those areas are targeted. That is quite clearly the situation and if you had any interest in establishing the truth of the matter you would have known that already

You are clearly a troll, I will ignore your posts from now on and I advise others to do the same.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 14 2022 22:49 utc | 269

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 22:33 utc | 254
"political analyst James Dore said in his YouTube show."

Who da fuck calls Jimmy "James"? LOL

Besides, Jimmy isn't an "expert" because he's right more often than the "experts". :-) (Except when he's wrong, which is not as infrequent as he thinks.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 22:50 utc | 270

@ Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 22:13 utc | 235

Do you have any critiques of the arguments Martyanov makes on his blog or in his books?

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 22:52 utc | 271

@257;

I appreciate your eloquent response.

Regarding your very interesting suggestion, I am of the impression that Mr. Martynov simply bans any dissenting voices from among his commentators - as is indeed his sovereign right to do.

Meanwhile the impression from such posts as I have linked to indicate that;

- RF forces were in many areas badly prepared and the Ukrainians were able to inflict serious losses early on;

- There appears to have been a serious lack of joined up thinking, e.g huge inexplicable shortage of various types of drones;

- DNR and LPR forces are stretched thin and resources are being redeployed leaving big gaps like in Donetsk;

- The RF has air superiority but certainly not air supremacy and cannot effectively support ground operations over some enemy areas;

- There is a serious risk of a heavy counter-attack in an unexpected place, such as even from Avdiika to Donetsk;

- The terror regime is excellent at throwing men at the Russians in a war of attrition and preventing mass surrender;

In addition to all this the US is providing the most advanced SIGINT and real time surveillance on the planet.

It will be interesting to see if my concerns are overblown.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 22:58 utc | 272

sln2002 @243--

Indeed. There is no "democracy" in the US Constitution.

You are also incorrect. Congressional representatives are voted into office by the people. That's democracy. Senators initially were voted into office by their state's assembly's; that's democracy. Voting takes place all the time in Congress, its committees and subcommittees; that's democracy. At Cabinet meetings, votes are taken; that's democracy. In the 1787 US Constitution, they key word is vote, which is mentioned 15 times.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:59 utc | 273

@ Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 22:15 utc | 238

i happened to read an article on those places in london that built down a few floors to create alternative spaces quite a ways below ground level... it is, or was a trend in london of the rich... naw - you wouldn't want to be in one of them if the SHTF... i agree - further away from populated areas is a much better bet..
here is an article on this from 4 years ago - What lies beneath: the subterranean secrets of London's super-rich

@ malenkov | Jun 14 2022 22:22 utc | 242

thanks for articulating what i was going to say.. some of us are following this closely and some are following the western msm narrative closely... that much is obvious.. i remember seeing the parked military vehicles in the shopping center in kiev via satellite video given out by russia at the time... of course that woudn't be shown on western msm, as it runs counter to the narrative they are constantly trying to cultivate..

Posted by: james | Jun 14 2022 22:59 utc | 274

In 1990, I bought a house in the big time sticks South of Rapid City, South Dakota, which was initially built as a bomb shelter, then expanded into an A-Frame Chalet, located on 11 acres with creek, woods, lots of game, and bordered by pastures. Divorce ended that bid for complete independence for that's what was planned. But its location was suspect--too close to too many silos and USAF bomber bases. I do wish I had the acreage now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 23:08 utc | 275

@267 @malenkov;

No, I have not read his books. They may be very good, but I am not certain given his naval background in the 80s what makes him such an expert in todays world.

I rather get the impression he is synthesising from various Russian language sources which might as well not exist for Western readers.

He is entertaining to read on his site - his vituperative attacks on various pundits for being vacuous idiots reminds me of Marx - no bad thing.

Other than that what are the big arguments- Stavka best in the world, BTG best in the world, hypersonic missives best in the world etc.

Could be all true, but also irrelevant, if the UAF manage to neutralise these advantages and hold on to their territory.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 23:08 utc | 276

@ karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:38 utc | 256

That's an excellent Saker article, thanks, a quote:
Ultimately, we have a case where the executive, legislative and judicial branches are in total collusion – against permitting the most basic rights of Liberalism. To paraphrase Marx as cited earlier: even the rights of Liberalism are denounced as “Socialism!”

Another interesting potential democracy method is referenda.
REFERENDA AROUND THE WORLD
History and Status of Direct Democracy
By OVID BOYD . . here
. . .and their use is pitiful, none in the US of course, the elite Congress would never stand for it
Referendums by country - Wikipedia

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 23:16 utc | 277

Look at how successful the deep state was at convincing the population here to support every unjustified, useless war in the last five decades. Look at how many U.S. citizens are slobbering over themselves about Ukraine's 'justified' use of Nazis to punish their own rebellious 'pro-Russian' citizens. If there's one thing you can always sell the U.S. population, it's demonized, cartoon villains that we need to attack for our own freedom and safety - no matter how ridiculous that premise. Logic and sense simply have no place in the considerations of an ignorant public willing to lap up such nonsense. How can anyone possibly fix that magnitude of naivety?

No, I'll have to argue that 'the government' here in the U.S. has an uncanny ability to convince one group of citizens/soldiers to kill another group for the most cringeworthy of reasons. They will not hesitate use that same propaganda black magic inside the U.S. to preserve their wealth and power if/when the time comes. It's just been more beneficial for the deep state (until now) to keep all of that outside our borders. Dead foreigners don't pay any U.S. taxes and they don't vote. See? Useless!

Posted by: PavewayIV | Jun 14 2022 22:01 utc | 229

The people in question are the most important part of the MSM/"Mighty Wurlitzer," the MSM Swallowers, who are the majority in every "Western" country.

They're the same kind of people who answer questions on polls that only God could answer (maybe).

Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 14 2022 23:17 utc | 278

@ karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:59 utc | 269
You are also incorrect. Congressional representatives are voted into office by the people. That's democracy.

Nope. Democracy is governance by the people, not voting which is a charade merely to seat a corporate money-taker. It's merely a false US claim that voting is democracy. It isn't.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 23:22 utc | 279

sln2002 @243: Indeed. There is no "democracy" in the US Constitution.

karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:59 utc | 269:
You are also incorrect. Congressional representatives are voted into office by the people. That's democracy. Senators initially were voted into office by their state's assembly's; that's democracy. Voting takes place all the time in Congress, its committees and subcommittees; that's democracy. At Cabinet meetings, votes are taken; that's democracy. In the 1787 US Constitution, they key word is vote, which is mentioned 15 times.


Hate to disagree with you, but there is no right to vote in the 1787 US Constitution. Voter eligibility was left to the states, and to some extent still is (e.g., ex-felons), although a "right to vote" is implied as the natural state of affairs in the Fifteenth Amendment and, of course, the extension of the franchise to women in the Nineteenth Amendment.

And as I'm sure you're well aware, democracy is constantly subverted by, for example, limiting third-party access to the ballot in several states. The word "party" is, curiously, mentioned 0 times in the 1787 US Constitution.

Oh, and while we're at it, stockholder meetings are a remarkably poor example of democracy. In the case of every stock I own, the number of votes one has at one's disposal is determined by the number of shares one owns; ballots consist entirely of "approve this slate of Board members; approve the Board's self-recommended compensation package; deny any shareholder-proposed motions." Not what I'd call a democratic way of doing things.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 23:26 utc | 280

#2 bruised northerner

The baofeng vhf/uhf radios I've seen on the vests of Russian allied forces have a range, with the stock antennas, of anywhere between 1-4 miles depending on conditions. After surrendering by radio, they would have been vulnerable before Russian allied forces could safely reach them.

Posted by: Love MoonofA | Jun 14 2022 23:27 utc | 281

Furthermore, I forgot to add, these consumer radios do not support encryption, nor would they likely be able to establish private communications with the Russian side. When they called to surrender by radio, anyone with a radio tuned to that frequency could have heard them.

They were probably surprised when their own guys came to kill them.

Posted by: Love MoonofA | Jun 14 2022 23:33 utc | 282

Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 18:55 utc | 11

Machik Labdron: Mind is like a thief in an empty house.

Posted by: donten | Jun 14 2022 22:29 utc | 251

I couldn't find 11 but that's a great quote assuming mind here is individuated awareness...

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 23:36 utc | 283

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:59 utc | 269

I most certainly am not. Read it.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 23:38 utc | 284

Interesting link from an article at The Saker by a blogger, gpovanman. I have never heard of the blogger but I am glad I found his blog.

https://gpovanman.wordpress.com/2022/06/13/a-week-in-view/

Opening description below a photo of a pow about to get into a van.
"As sad as this may look, the Ukrainian soldiers (not nazis) who surrender to Russian forces are the most fortunate in a rapidly-declining situation."

Highly recommended that you check out the link.

Posted by: morongobill | Jun 14 2022 23:40 utc | 285

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 23:08 utc | 272

In other words, you've read nothing, you know nothing about him, you just have "impressions". Christ, what a loser... Nothing but a troll.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 23:42 utc | 286

@marko/265, try becoming intellectually consistent. It's rewarding!

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 14 2022 23:43 utc | 287

more on democracy
Voting is a charade because of gerrymandering, unlimited campaign expenditures, limits on voting, and customs which results in mostly the same crooked politicians today that we had ten or more years ago. So a large portion of the citizens don't vote. Real Clear politics has the Congress at 22% approval, has been for years. After a person is elected to the Congress that person must spend a lot of time fund-raising for the next campaign less than two years away. Phone calls must be made appealing for funds, about thirty thousand dollars worth a day. The calls can't be made from the office, the incumbent must walk down the street to a phone room. Then guess whose direction the incumbent's congressional activities are toward -- the funds provider or the citizens most of whom didn't vote for him/her?. .Sound like democracy?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 23:43 utc | 288

Latest The Duran video with Gonzalo Lira... Been wondering where he was, he's reduced the frequency of his videos somewhat.

Russia, Ukraine, China, Taiwan, NATO w/Gonzalo Lira (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJJu18phA8w

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 23:44 utc | 289

Hell, Russians and Chinese enjoy more democracy than us and Europeans, but you can't convince ignorant people controlled by The Narrative.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:38 utc | 256

Now THAT is worth a long, detailed article. Very few of us in the West are aware of this at all and it is a hugely important topic.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 23:47 utc | 290

US Americans cannot even agree what is "politics." But whatever it is, they don't want it messing up private lives, consciences, property taxes, or freedum to bribe elected representatives in the several legislatures.

US Constitution, Article IV

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 23:48 utc | 291

deme. Furthermore, deme assingment was an accident of birth, certified genealogy.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 23:55 utc | 292

Congressional representatives are voted into office by the people.
karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:59 utc | 269

I don't know where you live, but on planet Maryland, state party caucuses routinely assign "vacated" city, county, state, and federal seats with party functionaries who automatically fill regular election ballot slots.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 15 2022 0:03 utc | 293

Probably from the French "azoute" for nitrogen. If you look at the Russian language there is a Slavic core, with loan words from French, German and US English, in that chronological order. I suppose the next wave of loan words in Russian will be from Chinese.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 14 2022 19:23 utc | 132

***

According to the wiki entry I linked, "The name azo comes from azote, the French name for nitrogen that is derived from the Greek ἀ- (a-, "not") + ζωή (zōē, life)." Would be interesting to find out whether Russian got it from contemporary French or from Greek, more closely linked to the Cyrillic alphabet.

Agreed on the next wave of loan words coming from China. As to English, my favorite observation on its vocabulary:

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that the English language is as pure as a crib-house whore. It not only borrows words from other languages; it has on occasion chased other languages down dark alley-ways, clubbed them unconscious and rifled their pockets for new vocabulary."

—James Nicoll, 1846-1918

Hmm... etymological imperialism... now how did that idea come about???

Posted by: Vintage Red | Jun 15 2022 0:03 utc | 294

karlof1 | Jun 14 2022 22:10 utc | 232


That tells me that over the next 21 years, Russia and China have worked together to ensure no Thucydides Trap arises, that the Outlaw US Empire be allowed to fade away as quietly as possible--with a whimper, not a bang.

By Thucydides Trap I am more referring to the psychology behind it. Old dominant alpha male fighting to the death against a rising youngster. Very common in the animal kingdom.
As for Russia and China ensuring the Outlaw Empire goes out with a whimper rather than a bang - very much so. We see them doing nothing that could provoke the rogue state into using nukes plus Russian strategic deterrence Putin announced in 2018.

Current China is a youngster, current Russia is a youngster. So we watch the old dominant male, now nothing more than Wiley E Coyote, fighting to the death in hybrid, mostly economic warfare against these two rising youngsters.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 15 2022 0:05 utc | 295

This blogger deserves to be more widely followed. As does the article, by Deborah Armstrong, on war crimes in Ukraine.
http://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2022/06/13/on-war-crimes-in-ukraine/

Posted by: bevin | Jun 15 2022 0:09 utc | 296

Yes. The first two are defective.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 22:25 utc | 245

Sorry, but I do not see an argument.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 15 2022 0:16 utc | 297

"US military experts say a war over Taiwan is desirable, because Asia’s growth to become the world's economic heartland has become unstoppable.

Yes, we want war. But just a small one, please, followed by a quick surrender. The United States is diligently working with Australia and the UK to goad China into what they hope will be a limited war over Taiwan, according to military strategists. By continually poking at the giant developing nation, the aim is to force it to fire the first bullet — and then use that to paint China as the protagonist, the bully that the rest of the world must unite against...."

"....The war or “coming conflict” with China has been discussed in multiple forums and publications, not least of which is a new book by Elbridge Colby, one of the writers of the US National Defense Strategy. It argues that escalating Taiwan tensions into a conflict gives America a chance at winning, unlike a Cold War arms race...."

If one thinks outside the box.....
AND....
Takes to heart the view that Taiwan is a province of China... Recognized by the UN/NATO/ROW...
THEN....
All that need be done....

IS....

To issue a proclamation/law which puts Chinese Customs in charge of all Custom Houses in Taiwan...
AND...
Puts Chinese Coast Guard in charge of all Taiwanese ports...
AND
Puts the PLA in charge of all Taiwanese airports
AND
Makes Taiwanese Naval/Air/Ground forces part of... and under the command of.... the Chinese General Staff.

Then show up in the coast guard cutters/customs enforcement boats/ airport security helos
While covering the island with the PLA/PLAN/PLAF for the purpose of destroying any unit which disagrees.

Should be over in an hour or two...

THEN...
CHange the government structure to one like that of HK with a Governor appointed in Beijing
AND....
Imprison the whole separatist lot..

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 15 2022 0:17 utc | 298

Don Bacon @275--

Agreed, but the process of democratic governance is exercised via voting. The People rule. Okay, how do they go about it? They vote to enact policies. They are symbiont--the right to vote must exist for democratic governance to occur. From a book most ought to have, The Right to Vote: The Contested History of Democracy in the United States on page xvi is the following statement:

"[A]lthough a nation certainly could have universal suffrage without being a democracy, a polity cannot be truly democratic without universal suffrage."

The above is expanded upon later on page 322:

"[B]ut a broad franchise alone cannot guarantee to each citizen an equal voice in politics and governance."

In winding up his conclusion, the author provides what he sees as "the ideal of democracy:

"That all individuals are not only born equal but remain equally worthy--surely is an admirable one. The principle that no person's interests and needs are more important than those of anyone else--and thus that all individuals should have an equal chance of influencing government policy--seems well worth fighting for."

We share the idea that democracy is a project. Within our profoundly dysfunctional nation, it's rarely existed in the sense explained above. Madison was convinced that functional Republics had to have small polities and extent, otherwise their "purity" would be sullied by uncontrollable interest and faction. I read his words about 50 years ago, found them troubling and all too likely correct. For the massive polity that's China, IMO they've designed a system allowing for individual input for governance and for constructive feedback about the effectiveness of governance that's constantly being tuned like a fine instrument so it continually operates at its peak while minimizing the risk for error. The Chinese have worked on their project for 5,000+ years, and it shows.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2022 0:18 utc | 299

Sorry for taking the thread way off topic.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 15 2022 0:22 utc | 300

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