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June 11, 2022

Ukraine Bits: No Ammo, More Casualties, Thin Lines, Propaganda And Passing The Buck

The real state of the war in Ukraine, which I had described some two months ago, has now reached the main stream media. The Zelensky regime in Ukraine is using it to beg the 'west' for more guns and ammunition.

From the last link:

[T]he odds against the Ukrainians are starting to look overwhelming, said Danylyuk, the government adviser.

“The Russians are using long-range artillery against us, often without any response, because we don’t have the means,” he said. “They can attack from dozens of kilometers away and we can’t fire back. We know all the coordinates for all their important targets, but we don’t have the means to attack.”

Ukraine has now almost completely run out of ammunition for the Soviet-era weapons systems that were the mainstay of its arsenal, and the Eastern European countries that maintained the same systems have run out of surplus supplies to donate, Danylyuk said. Ukraine urgently needs to shift to longer-range and more sophisticated Western systems, but those have only recently been committed, and in insufficient quantities to match Russia’s immense firepower, he said.

Russia is firing as many as 50,000 artillery rounds a day into Ukrainian positions, and the Ukrainians can only hit back with around 5,000 to 6,000 rounds a day, he said. The United States has committed to deliver 220,000 rounds of ammunition — enough to match Russian firepower for around four days.

The Independent claims to have seen an intelligence report that showed even worse numbers:

Ukrainian troops are suffering massive losses as they are outgunned 20 to one in artillery and 40 to one in ammunition by Russian forces, according to new intelligence painting a bleak picture of the conflict on the frontline.

A report by Ukrainian and Western intelligence officials also reveals that the Ukrainians are facing huge difficulties responding to Russians shelling with their artillery restricted to a range of 25 kilometres, while the enemy can strike from 12 times that distance.

For the first time since the war began, there is now concern over desertion. The report, seen by The Independent, says the worsening situation in the Donbas, with up to a hundred soldiers being killed a day, is having “a seriously demoralising effect on Ukrainian forces as well as a very real material effect; cases of desertion are growing every week”.

This was easily foreseeable. As I wrote in mid April:

Without fuel the Ukrainian army can not move and without constant supply, especially of large amounts of artillery munitions, it can not counter Russian artillery which will be in heavy use against it.

This pictures of a former Ukrainian position show the devastating result of such a situation.


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Nearly all of the Ukrainian ammunition and fuel supplies have been bombed and destroyed. What is trickling in through its western borders has difficulties to reach the eastern front and is anyway not enough to supply an actively fighting and maneuvering army.

To match Russia's 50,000 rounds per day, with each round weighing 50 kilograms, some 2,500 metric tons of ammunition would have to be moved per day from Ukraine's western border to the east. After reaching some railhead in the east they would have to be loaded on some 350 trucks to be distributed while being under fire from long ranging Russian weapons. This would have to happen each and every day.

The U.S. has large depots of ammunition but even those would be emptied within a few month if no large scale production of new rounds would be happening. Munition production is usually done only on a small but steady scale of a few hundred rounds per week. The west would have to scale up production to allow for the supply Ukraine would need to match Russia.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense Ukraine's artillery has lost 506 multiple launch rocket systems and 1,859 field artillery and mortars since the beginning of the war. The daily reported number of pieces hit have changed over time from 50+ per day to now single digits.

The total numbers in the Russia report are too high (as they usually are in similar 'western' reports). They amount to more than what the Ukraine had at the start of the war. But we can safely guess that more than 90% of Ukraine's guns and missile systems have been destroyed. Meanwhile the 'west' has promised the Ukraine some 200 gun and some 50 missile systems. Half of those are former soviet types. The other half are newer and need 'western' ammunition. They seem to arrive only in trickles.

The U.S. has send some 100 M-777 lightweight howitzers. Only a few have been seen at the front in the east and some were already destroyed there. Others are used to fire on non-military targets in Donetsk city. We can guess where the rest is. The M-777 is lightweight (4.2 metric tons) because it is largely made from titanium which has a ten times higher scrap value than steel. Some entrepreneurs in Ukraine's west seem to have found that recycling the guns (or selling them elsewhere) is of more value than sending them to the east where they would surely be destroyed within a few days.

Ten days ago the Ukrainian comedian and president Zelensky had admitted that some 60 to 100 Ukrainian soldiers are getting killed per day. That number was highly qualified and an advisor to Zelensky has now doubled it:

A senior Ukrainian presidential aide has told the BBC that between 100 and 200 Ukrainian troops are being killed on the front line every day.

Mykhaylo Podolyak said Ukraine needed hundreds of Western artillery systems to level the playing field with Russia in the eastern Donbas region.

The real numbers are certainly higher than anything the Zelensky regime will ever admit. In a World War I like artillery dominated conflict (but without gas attacks) the number of wounded to dead is historically some 4 to 1 with one of the wounded additionally dying later from his wounds. This historic 'sanitation deaths' rate of wounded later dying from their wounds has since been halved by the use of antibiotics. But in Ukraine it may well be higher than usual in modern wars as its medical infrastructure is in a quite bad shape and as many medical personnel have fled the country.

So lets assume that the real numbers are some 300 dead per day plus 1,200 wounded. An eighth of the wounded, 150 men, will later die from their wounds. This casualty rate has been the same each and every day since early April when Zelensky rejected further negotiations and the war entered its attrition phase. It means that over the last two months the Ukrainian army lost more than 18,000 men with an additional 70,000 wounded. Some of whom will also have died by now while others will have fully recovered. The Ukrainian army started out with some 200,000 soldiers. Later some 30 to 100,000 men of the territorial defense forces were called up and send to the frontline. There were reports that some of these untrained units have had casualty rates of 65%.

No army can use all of its men on the front line. There are always a lot of logistic and support troop needed.

The tooth to tail ratio (T3R) in a military can be between 1 to 10 up to 1 to 2.5. The Ukrainian frontline will probably be held by some 20% of the Ukrainian army (200,000 minus dead and wounded plus territorial forces and a 1 to 4 T3R). That makes some 40,000 men over a current frontline length of some 1,000 kilometer. Those are 40 men per kilometer or 64 per mile. That is a quite thin force. It will not take many more weeks until that line breaks decisively.

Zelensky could shorten the contact line by half and double its defense power if he were willing to allow a retreat to the Dnieper line. But he has so far rejected any request for retreat. That seals the fate of his army.

I have written earlier about the effects of artillery fire on the morale of an army:

Morale can not replace firepower. Morale gets destroyed when soldiers come under concentrated artillery fire. Russia has plenty of the later.

The Independent report quoted above speaks of ever growing desertion numbers. They are still only a trickle but will become a flood as soon as the frontline breaks down. I now expect that to happen at the end of this month.

While the soldiers die by the hundreds per day Ukrainian officials continue with their propaganda gimmicks (machine translation):

Ukrainians on social media were outraged by an event organized by the Kyiv School of Economics and its president Tymofiy Milovanov in the United States.

Participants are invited to "immerse" themselves in the atmosphere of war, in particular, to visit the filtration area and dinner in the style of a bomb shelter.

Milovanov himself announced the event, which will take place on June 25 in New York at the Harvard Club.

"This event will change you. Your priorities in life will change. You will understand and accept the responsibility of the whole world as your own, to win this war and stop Russia.

There will be a filtration zone, a bomb-style dinner, and an immersion in the experience of war and war crimes," he said.

A 'filtration zone' is where prisoners of war will be interviewed and sorted before they are moved to prison camps. The Ukraine army has used such zones to torture prisoners.

Two days ago I noted that the blame game for the loss of the war has begun. Zelensky will be the one to whom the buck will be passed to. President Biden has now joined in this:

President Joe Biden, speaking to donors at a Democratic fundraiser here, said Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy “didn’t want to hear it” when U.S. intelligence gathered information that Russia was preparing to invade.

The remarks came as Biden was talking about his work to rally and solidify support for Ukraine as the war continues into its fourth month.

“Nothing like this has happened since World War II. I know a lot of people thought I was maybe exaggerating. But I knew we had data to sustain he” — meaning Russian President Vladimir Putin — “was going to go in, off the border.”

“There was no doubt,” Biden said. “And Zelenskyy didn’t want to hear it.”

Although Zelenskyy has inspired people with his leadership during the war, his preparation for the invasion — or lack thereof — has remained a controversial issue.

"Zelensky did not listen to us and he didn't inform us how bad the war was going," will become the standard line as soon as the Ukrainian army is on the run.

Posted by b on June 11, 2022 at 17:35 UTC | Permalink

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Below is a comment I made on the last Ukraine posting/thread

I can't provide a link but ZH has a posting up with the following title
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Biden Throws Zelensky Under The Bus: Ukraine Leader 'Brushed Off' Invasion Warnings
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MoA is shown in the ZH posting as the tweet from Bernhard announcing his "Washington Starts Blame Game Over Defeat In Ukraine" thread on June 9th

Keep up the good work b and thanks for it!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2022 17:52 utc | 1

Ze can't shorten the Frontline. Just like the Ukrainian army, the RF army has a T3R and that means that shortening will free maybe up to 40 BTGs. 40 BTGs set lose on the south would put Nikolayev and subsequently Odessa under overwhelming pressure. He can preserve the line as is and hold on for some time or he can retreat and set the collapse of the entire Frontline in motion

Posted by: Demóstenes | Jun 11 2022 18:03 utc | 2

Something very large detonated at the Azot plant
https://twitter.com/vic_top55/status/1535616979775762433?cxt=HHwWgsC96bngzc8qAAAA

Azot is a situation something like Azovstal only it is a chemical plant rather than a steelworks. Apparently the nazi's had mined the place and were trapped there but holding a large number of civilian hostages.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2022 18:03 utc | 3

Perhaps a few thousand tampon-wielding Ukrainian women can make a difference?

Posted by: John.R. | Jun 11 2022 18:05 utc | 4

"Reality is a hard professor." - Sun Qist

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 11 2022 18:10 utc | 5

The M777 is largely made of titanium, because of the weight.

That titanium came from Russia. Russia has cornered the market on titanium just as China has on rare earth metals.

I doubt the US would buy the titanium from Russia, nor ought Russia be willing to sell it.

Therefore, there will be no sudden large scale production of M777 for supply to Ukraine.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jun 11 2022 18:21 utc | 6

How much I would like to believe the detoriation of the fighting capacity of the Ukrainian Army, as projected in b analyses, I still wonder how they can put up such a stiff resistance today against the Russian forces. Looking at the daily advances of the RF on the battlefield as well as the losses of the RF and how hard they work.
Are they worn down as well?

Posted by: DutchZ | Jun 11 2022 18:24 utc | 7

"The total numbers in the Russia report are too high (as they usually are in similar 'western' reports). They amount to more than what the Ukraine had at the start of the war."

No, you can be sure the numbers Russia posts are accurate, they are more likely to be understated. What you have to remember is that the number of pieces Ukraine had at the beginning were only those active in the field. They had many others in storage to activate and of course they have received some from outside the country.

Posted by: nook | Jun 11 2022 18:29 utc | 8

Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2022 18:03 utc | 3;
According to info on Telegram channels this explosion is an old video from 9/11/2014 from another
location.
Fake news.

Posted by: DutchZ | Jun 11 2022 18:31 utc | 9

Re my comment @3

The video is of an explosion in Donetsk back in 2014/15 not the Azot plant.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2022 18:33 utc | 10

as for the blame game, it's all the puppet's fault when the puppet-master poked a stick in the bear's eye


this isn't a war actually, it's a lopsided slaughterhouse ......and entirely the fault of the Nato puppet masters who provoked the whole conflict and conveniently used the russian military operation as an excuse to slap on the sanctions hoping to sink the russian economy, but instead found that the bear was already pretty well-prepared for the sanctions, and was serious about defending the Donbass and the other russian-speaking areas of the country as well as demilitarizing and de-nazifying the whole cesspool of a nation-state.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 11 2022 18:34 utc | 11

Interesting thread

Levi
@Levi_godman
Commander of the operational-tactical group "North" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Dmitry Krasilnikov spoke about the state of affairs at the front:

➖ The Armed Forces of Ukraine are experiencing a shortage of long-range artillery systems.

Levi
@Levi_godman
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3h
Replying to
@Levi_godman
➖ Russian artillery plows the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and dominates the battlefield.
➖ In half a day, from 2 to 4 thousand artillery shells arrive at Ukrainian positions.


Levi
@Levi_godman
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3h
➖ Military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffer serious losses from Russian artillery strikes.
➖ Constant strikes demotivate the best Ukrainian fighters in 2-3 days.
➖ Demotivation of the infantry leads to the disruption of combat missions.

Levi
@Levi_godman
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3h
➖ To change the situation, new deliveries of weapons from Western countries are needed.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 11 2022 18:41 utc | 12

Biden is lying trough his teeth.

The donbass erea, mariupol is 8 years long prepared for war with russia. 8 years long they trained the Ukrainian army.

The Ukraine was prepared , the only thing biden did was creating panick and fueling the flames of war.

Till February thevwar still could have been prevented by real negotiations.

They let the war happen because they did think they would win a war with russia.

And like the coward he is, he is now throwing zelinski under the bus. And it's laughable to claim they didn't know how bad the war was going.

Posted by: Bas vos | Jun 11 2022 18:44 utc | 13

We planned and run the war, but Ze didn't'tell us that we fucked up. Shame on him!

Joe Tzu

Posted by: albagen | Jun 11 2022 18:44 utc | 14

Never EVER do a deal with Washington!

It's not just its enemies like Qaddafi and Milosevic that it throws under the bus after they make concessions.

Zelensky quickly caved in and slavishly followed Biden's strategy of fighting to the last Ukrainian. Now Biden is implicitly blaming him for its failure - just because he resisted at the start, or as Biden put it, "Zelensky didn’t want to hear it".

Posted by: Brendan | Jun 11 2022 18:49 utc | 15

The Ukies aren’t impressed with the blame game being played in Washington

Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦
@IAPonomarenko
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Jun 8
I give up trying to understand what the NYTimes is doing these days.
I mean yeah, Ukraine is not telling a FORMER intel official “how many troops has Ukraine lost, how many pieces of equipment has Ukraine lost.”
What does this even suppose to mean?

Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦
@IAPonomarenko
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Jun 8
Ukrainian and American presidents talk to each other. Our top military generals are in touch all the time. Our national security advisers and diplomats talk to each other every single day. Our intel agencies are in touch as well.
And this article is pulled out of nose.


Posted by: Down South | Jun 11 2022 18:51 utc | 16

The comedian can't be bothered with boring casualty figures right now.

. . .from Kyiv Post
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen make statements following their talks in Kyiv on June 11, 2022. - EU chief Ursula von der Leyen visited Ukraine to discuss the country's hopes of joining the bloc, as Zelensky warned the world not to look away from the conflict devastating his country (as he looks away).

Ukraine’s bid to become a candidate to join the EU will get a clear signal next week, the bloc’s chief Ursula von der Leyen announces in a surprise visit to Kyiv. Von der Leyen says talks she held with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “will enable us to finalise our assessment by the end of next week”. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2022 18:53 utc | 17

Even the finest titanium m-777 Howitzer will rust when manned by incompetent nazis and stuck by enemy artillery.

-Joe Tzu

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2022 19:02 utc | 18

RE - Demóstenes | Jun 11 2022 18:03 utc | 2

Shortening the Ukrainian Lines - Military Summary You tube channel discussed this yesterday - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trju46e4_kM

His points were that Russia has the bulk of its forces concentrated in the Northern Donbass at 1 BTG per 2 to 3 km (appropriate for attack) , with the Kharkov and Kherson sectors at 1 BTG per 10 to 20 km (barely sufficient for defence)

Shortening the line will enable the Russians to reinforce other sectors too - as you say in your post

There is also the challenge of how can the Ukrops get to their new Positions?
a. Do they have the fuel?
b. Do they have the trucks?
c. How will they move under Russian artillery fire after leaving their fortified areas?
d. Hoe will they move under Russian air attack in the open?
e. How will their morale cope?

An orderly retreat is tough enough for a professional army - very challenging for the Ukies who might well degenerate into a rout

Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 11 2022 19:03 utc | 19

"I doubt the US would buy the titanium from Russia, nor ought Russia be willing to sell it..."

Mark Thomason@6

There is a very real chance that Russian control of the economy is so lax that titanium could be sold to a middleman, in India, for example and then to the US. This is what is happening to Russian oil.

According to RT Germany has chosen the anniversary of the start of Barbarossa to start delivering heavy weapons to Ukraine.

"Ukraine will receive the first batch of heavy weapons from Germany around June 22, Ukrainian Ambassador to Berlin Andrey Melnyk told Ukraine’s Novoye Vremya newspaper on Friday. The delivery is expected to include seven PzH 2000 howitzers promised by German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht in early May, he added.

“We will get these systems around June 22,” Melnyk said, referring to the howitzers as he again criticized Berlin for being too slow with the arms shipments. The date named by the ambassador was the very day that Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union back in 1941. The USSR included both Ukraine and Russia at that time, and Ukraine was among the first Soviet territories attacked by the Nazis...."

Posted by: bevin | Jun 11 2022 19:04 utc | 20

For eight years nazie were stocking amunition and having intense training. The result is shameful. If after that they still believe In western promises that mean they desperate idiots.

Posted by: Fayez Chergui | Jun 11 2022 19:10 utc | 21

Surely not.


"Ukraine's armed forces could call up female citizens of Ukraine aged between 20 and 50 to join the fight against pro-Russian separatists in the country's eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, Vladislav Seleznev, spokesperson for the armed forces' high command told Ukrainian news agency Unian today."


https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-armed-forces-set-call-female-citizens-aged-20-50-new-recruitment-cycle-304276

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 11 2022 19:11 utc | 22

@ 17 - Don Bacon - How do they get all the yayo to Kiev?

piano

I guess it's in his contract with Kolomoiskyi.

Much love to the MoA community.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 11 2022 19:11 utc | 23

The Bucks Stop Here. Joe Tzu.

Other kids did it and ran away. Joe Tzu.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 11 2022 19:11 utc | 24

A rusty pool chain operating a bombed out Howitzer can be a potent weapon in the hands of Corn Pop.

-Joe Tzu

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2022 19:13 utc | 25

Eastern Promises are far more reliable than Western Promises.

-Joe Tzu and David Cronenberg

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2022 19:14 utc | 26

@Republicofscotland #22

Unfortunately, all the female Ukies have left town to become prostitutes in the West!

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jun 11 2022 19:16 utc | 27

Its sounds logistically impossible for Ukrainian forces to match Russian forces firepower ergo the outcome is inevitable.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 11 2022 19:18 utc | 28

Here we go again.
. . .from SkyNews:
Ukraine still in control of Severodonetsk chemical plant where hundreds are sheltering, region's governor says

A chemical plant in the eastern city of Severodonetsk where hundreds of civilians are sheltering remains under Ukrainian control, the region's governor said today.
Serhiy Haidai, governor of the Luhansk region, said today forces were holding onto the Azot chemical plant after a Russia-backed separatist claimed 300-400 Ukrainian fighters were also trapped there.
In a statement on the Telegram messaging app, Mr Haidai wrote: "The information about the blockade of the Azot plant is a lie.
"Our forces are holding an industrial zone of Severodonetsk and are destroying the Russian army in the town."
Ukraine has said some 800 people are hiding in several bomb shelters underneath the Azot plant, including about 200 employees and 600 residents of Severodonetsk. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2022 19:19 utc | 29

b. you're always the best, we're so lucky to have you.

Posted by: annie | Jun 11 2022 19:23 utc | 30

Yes, enjoy seeing Z and the West humiliated, but is it just to draw us in a and make us complacent while NATO's big bombing campaign is being prepared?

Posted by: Richard | Jun 11 2022 19:23 utc | 31

According to RT Germany has chosen the anniversary of the start of Barbarossa to start delivering heavy weapons to Ukraine. [snip]

Posted by: bevin | Jun 11 2022 19:04 utc | 20


I guess Germany just couldn't meet an April 20 deadline.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 11 2022 19:25 utc | 32

However little ammunition the Ukies have got, they always seem to have enough to shell civilian targets.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 11 2022 19:26 utc | 33

However little ammunition the Ukies have got, they always seem to have enough to shell civilian targets.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 11 2022 19:26 utc | 33

Priorities!

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 11 2022 19:27 utc | 34

@ 31 Richard - February 24 2022 will live on forever a Z Day in my mind. My grandchildren ( god willing ) will learn of it.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 11 2022 19:28 utc | 35

Struggling to find a satisfactory account of why RF can't prevent, heavily punish artillery strikes on Donetsk city, etc. Is it shoot and scoot--without much fuel, despite RF air superiority? Are they moving in residential areas that Russia can't / won't strike?

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jun 11 2022 19:28 utc | 36

However little ammunition the Ukies have got, they always seem to have enough to shell civilian targets.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 11 2022 19:26 utc | 33

That's exactly what they bought it for. The false flag attacks on Ukrainian civilians will resume and increase shortly. Azov is probably using schools and hospitals as headquarters, exclusively.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2022 19:28 utc | 37

This is yet another classic failure of Western intelligence. They knew Ukraine could not hope to win on the battlefield, that is just propaganda fluff for the plebs. They fully believed the sanctions from hell would destroy the Russian economy and bring on regime change in a matter of weeks. The fact they miscalculated so bad is a testimony on how little they know about Russia, it's economy, it's military, its people. Now they have no idea what to do. They truly believed Navalny would be sitting on the throne performing the Kiss of Shame on each and every western buttocks presented to him. Better change the narrative quick!

Posted by: nook | Jun 11 2022 19:29 utc | 38

@ my 17
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is in Kyiv. The European Commission is the operative arm of the mighty European Union.

EU Membership criteria – Who can join?
The Treaty on the European Union states that any European country may apply for membership if it respects the democratic values of the EU and is committed to promoting them.
The first step is for the country to meet the key criteria for accession. These were mainly defined at the European Council in Copenhagen in 1993 and are hence referred to as 'Copenhagen criteria'. Countries wishing to join need to have:
> stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
> a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU;
> the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union. /. .here

All 27 EU governments would have to agree to grant Ukraine candidate status, after which there would be extensive talks on the reforms required before Kyiv could be considered for membership.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2022 19:38 utc | 39

Zelensky will perhaps be the scapegoat that the US establishment needs to bear the responsiblity of the US failure.

But France and Germany will need another scapegoat, in order to moraly justify the rebuilding of cooperating relations with Putin, after having demonized him.

What about making public exposure that Busha slaughtering was a fake ? Telling who was the movie director ?

I guess that all the fakes in Ukraine were made by MI6 agents. These fakes are like the Skripal story. I mean that the maker seems to work like an horror movie director, which doesn't care about realism but the emotionnal impact.
This differentiates from a US made fake, which usually care more about realism. Remember the ambassador daughter who cried when telling to the Congress how the saddam's warriors had thrown the koweiti babies and stolen the medical devices. There was no clue it was a fake. Nobody doubted it. Compare it with the many clues of the fallacy which are present inside all the ukrainian fakes.

Thus, France and Germany may let an "independent and courageous journalist" reveals that Busha actually was an MI6 job. Boris Johnson will be the useful scapegoat. Since he's currently already in a very weak position since Partygate, the exit of this hard-brexiter will not be mourned by anybody.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 11 2022 19:41 utc | 40

Meanwhile on the home front Biden blames.....Putin.

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/they-plan-on-repeating-putins-price?s=r

Posted by: Paul | Jun 11 2022 19:44 utc | 41

@ nook | Jun 11 2022 19:29 utc | 38
They fully believed the sanctions from hell would destroy the Russian economy and bring on regime change in a matter of weeks.
How do you know what they fully believed? In fact activating sanctions is the only "diplomacy" the US understands. The US/EU had no other choice.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2022 19:45 utc | 42

This has now become Herr Elensky’s official Ukranian Anthem:
Via the late, great Warren Zevon:

"Well, I went home with the waitress
The way I always do
How was I to know
She was with the RUSSIANS too

Alright, send lawyers, guns, and money
Huh, yeah
Send lawyers, guns, and money
Uh
Send lawyers, guns, and money
Hey
Send lawyers, guns, and money
Ooh, yeah"

Posted by: thewokendead | Jun 11 2022 19:53 utc | 43

Even the propagandists waging unprecedented information warfare on the citizens of the west aren't able to hide the unpopularity of the FUKUS/NATO position on Russia-Ukraine.

Biden is failing to add more countries to his coalition of the willing

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2022 19:59 utc | 44

@Fayez Chergui | Jun 11 2022 19:10 utc | 21

"For eight years nazie were stocking amunition and having intense training. The result is shameful. If after that they still believe In western promises that mean they desperate idiots."

Desperate for sure. Their (Ukrainian government) entire operation is financed by the West. If the money spigot is shut off they are doomed immediately and will need to flee the country. Western arms are of some use, but western finance is critical. When will the tap get turned off?


Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 11 2022 20:01 utc | 45

For the NATO guys, it's a war between Russians who slaughter each other and weaken each other.
And they are right.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jun 11 2022 20:04 utc | 46

@ nook | Jun 11 2022 19:29 utc | 38
"They fully believed the sanctions from hell would destroy the Russian economy and bring on regime change in a matter of weeks."

Everybody acknowledges that the sanctions are bad for Europe and good for Russia and US. But Europe stick with them anyway. This tells us that hurting Russia was not the object of the sanctions.

Posted by: Tim | Jun 11 2022 20:07 utc | 47

"Thus, France and Germany may let an "independent and courageous journalist" reveal that Bucha actually was an MI6 job. Boris Johnson will be the useful scapegoat."

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 11 2022 19:41 utc | 40

Fat chance. Don't you know that the national credo in Britain (by now adopted by the US and the West) is "never explain never apologize."

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 11 2022 20:15 utc | 48

Richard @ 31

...but is it just to draw us in a and make us complacent while NATO's big bombing campaign is being prepared?

I too think NATO is up to no good, it's not just going to walk away with some "peace with honor" accord with RF but whatever it does it's not going to fly bombers into the RF no-fly zone. Recall USSR using their 1950s missile technology shot down a U2, USA's most advanced plane flying at extremely high altitude. I believe RF has even better missiles now.

My bet is a Polish non NATO SMO "peace-keeping" force of some sort to get their foot in the door, wait for them to get in trouble, then escalate from there. Unless of course EU goes down the toilet first from sanctions blow-back.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 11 2022 20:16 utc | 49

Levi
@Levi_godman
·
3h
➖ To change the situation, new deliveries of weapons from Western countries are needed.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 11 2022 18:41 utc | 12

Amazing! Arms dealers openly asking for more supply!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 11 2022 20:25 utc | 50

Like all career politicians it has been my lifelong ambition to plummet the depths of corruption, waste and influence peddling.
Joe Tzu.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 11 2022 20:26 utc | 51

"The total numbers in the Russia report are too high (as they usually are in similar 'western' reports). They amount to more than what the Ukraine had at the start of the war."
On 4th June Ukraine had the following MLRS systems according to Wikipedia:
BM-21 Grad - 339
RM-70 - 20+
BM-27 Uragan - 76/139
TOS-1A - 5+ (captured)
HIMARS - 4
BM-30 Smerch - 75
Vilkha - Unknown
Total MLRS systems - 582.
Russia claim to have destroyed 506 is less than the total number Ukraine (582) has had up to June 4th..

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 11 2022 20:32 utc | 52

https://www.lauriemeadows.info/conflict_security/The-West's-Apartheid-Trading-System.html

Titanium resources in Russia. Russia seems to have plenty of war materiel.

Posted by: Powerandpeople | Jun 11 2022 20:35 utc | 53

If you want to throw Ze under the bus, make sure the bus hasn't left the station.

Joe Tzu

Posted by: albagen | Jun 11 2022 20:37 utc | 54

It is now a Russia-NATO war!

Here is one more article on the same topic, from AFP via rfi

Ukraine dependent on arms from allies after exhausting Soviet-era weaponry

Washington (AFP) – Ukraine has depleted its Soviet and Russian-designed weaponry and is now completely dependent on allies for arms to defend against Russia's invasion, US military sources say.

***

Early in the war, the West was cautious about supplying much to Kyiv, worried that doing so risked bringing about a NATO v. Russia conflict.

They also feared their advanced weapons technology would fall into Russia's hands.

Instead, Ukraine's allies offered up their own stockpiles of Russian-standard equipment, including tanks and helicopters, to bolster Kyiv's troops.

The United States also led an effort to comb through other ex-Soviet countries for ammunition, parts and additional supplies that would match Ukraine's needs.

But that all has now been used up or destroyed.

"They are gone from the world," a US official said of the Soviet and Russian-standard arms.

That means Ukrainian forces are having to switch to often unfamiliar arms built to Western specifications.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 11 2022 20:40 utc | 55

As they say, "amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics"
Does anybody remember how back at the start of this operation, many "western military experts" said the Russian Army didn't have the ability or experience to handle the logistics for this SMO. There might have been some Maskirovka about logistics to deceive the US and NATO into staying out of the SMO by persuading them that Ukraine could easily defeat the SMO but Russian Army logistics seem more that capable of delivering every thing it needs while Ukraine's has been thoroughly degraded.

When are "western military experts" going to admit they got it wrong? Will any that did suffer the consequences of their stupidity and ignorance? Nah.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 11 2022 20:45 utc | 56

Paul Damascene @36--

The reason Donetsk continues to receive artillery strikes is because the defensive perimeter around the city hasn't been expanded whatsoever since the SMO began, which IMO is tragic and a huge sin on the part of Russia's military planners. A look at a battlefield map will show the plan is to attack the fortifications facing Donetsk from the North and rear, but that's taking far too long to develop. Russia's General Staff might reply with some sort of justification, which IMO would need to be very convincing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2022 20:48 utc | 57

Frankly, it is nice of NATO to bring all their weapons to Ukraine or the Russian border so it is easier for Russia to demolish them.

And then what will NATO defend itself with?


Planning is so overrated. joe tzu

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2022 20:51 utc | 58

The Dreizin report carifies wokeism as applied to Ukraine.

https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/06/10/the-woke-issue/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2022 20:55 utc | 59

Meanwhile today, the chutzpah & nonsense that came out of Defense Secretary Lloyd "Raytheon" Austin's mouth. Projecting their own imperialism much!?!?

"Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is what happens when oppressors trample the rules that protect us all. It’s what happens when big powers decide that their imperial appetites matter more than the rights of their peaceful neighbors. And it’s a preview of a possible world of chaos and turmoil that none of us would want to live in."

Posted by: Mike Lee | Jun 11 2022 21:00 utc | 60

When are "western military experts" going to admit they got it wrong? Will any that did suffer the consequences of their stupidity and ignorance? Nah.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 11 2022 20:45 utc | 56

I'd be willing to bet a substantial sum of money that most of these "experts" on TV and in print have 'retirement' accounts with a lot of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and other MIC stocks in their portfolios. The Sulzberger and Bezos dynasties certainly do.

Who wishes and pushes for faraway fools to fight and die, tis best to load up on "defense" stocks.

-Joe Tzu

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2022 21:02 utc | 61

Fat chance. Don't you know that the national credo in Britain (by now adopted by the US and the West) is "never explain never apologize."
Posted by: Pagan | Jun 11 2022 20:15 utc | 48

I can believe that Bojo doesn't need to apologize in England.

But, there is no such thing than an universal and simple principle which command in any circumstances.

French and German gov will have to explain to their constituents why it is now acceptable to resume normal relations with Russia. If they don't, they will be denounced as acomplices of "Putin the slaughter" by all the powerful medias in France and Germany which are US controled.

US will try all they can to forbide any kind of sovereign agreement between France, Germany and Russia. France and Germany absolutely need to whitewash Putin. To denounce Busha as a fake will do the trick. Furthermore, it will destroy the moral power of such US agents as the famous Bernard-Henri Lévy.

Bojo is the perfect scapegoat for France and Germany, because he is a hard-brexiter, and he is feeble, nearing exit since Partygate.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 11 2022 21:06 utc | 62

"what king, going out to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and deliberate whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks for terms of peace"

Posted by: Crush Limbraw | Jun 11 2022 21:09 utc | 63

"How do you know what they fully believed?"

Because they are sociopaths and that is how they operate. Extreme hubris and ignorance. They got it completely wrong and now they have to choke on it.

Posted by: nook | Jun 11 2022 21:09 utc | 64

Some more wisdom from Joe Tzu:

To lose a war is good. To win a war is better. To never finish a war is the ultimate perfection in the Art of War.

When the enemy is weak, attack massively. When the enemy is strong, let your allies attack massively. When there is no enemy, attack your allies massively.

There is only one China. But there are many Taiwans.

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Jun 11 2022 21:10 utc | 65

"Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is what happens when oppressors trample the rules that protect us all. It’s what happens when big powers decide that their imperial appetites matter more than the rights of their peaceful neighbors. And it’s a preview of a possible world of chaos and turmoil that none of us would want to live in."

Posted by: Mike Lee | Jun 11 2022 21:00 utc | 60

It's truth though what he says, you just have to read it slightly different from how he means it...

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 11 2022 21:11 utc | 66

Parisian Guy #40

On revealing the fake propaganda and hanging the bell on Boris and MI6

Could work, and I like that France and Germany do the job. Boris and MI6 deserve the award. Now to spread the news. Perhaps a thread here of all the fakes and MI6 involvement.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2022 21:13 utc | 67

Pian
Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 11 2022 19:11 utc | 23

Could we crowdfund a 15-second clip of this video in German tv news?

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 11 2022 21:16 utc | 68

The Ukies aren’t impressed with the blame game being played in Washington

Posted by: Down South | Jun 11 2022 18:51 utc | 16

Victims and losers aren't impressed of being so?
Who cares.
When did West ever listen to victims and losers?

"...and the weak shall suffer what they must" (c)

P.S. reminds me some talk with EuroMaidan believers in late spring 2014. I told them that now as the power is given to Poroshenko (despite him being booed by EuroMaidan crowd in months) they will be removed. And it already started: they are removed from most MSM headlines. They still felt lucky, they still believed (or pretended) as long as they have media center and are publishing releases there and in internet - there will always be enough of smart MSM to repost their releases and outrun dumb MSM who do not. It was long before December 2014 that Klitchko and Poroshenko were bored with EuroMaidan and removed "the permanent 5th branch of government" in one day.

Ponomarenko (fitting name: sexton and church bell ringer and other Ukies trying to make noise? But does a falling tree still make a noise in a wild forest with no one to listen?

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 11 2022 21:24 utc | 69

If they know the coordinates for the Russian artillery, then it is only because the Russian artillery feel very confident that they can't be attacked. Shoot and Scoot would be the tactic for deployment against a peer opponent. One the Uke's don't seem to like, as they complain that with the US towed howitzers, they have to immediately hook up and depart after they fire a few rounds, because Russian artillery will rain down upon them.

Guess they thought war was just a day in the park, and apparently not nearly as much fun as lobbing shells at civilians who can't shoot back.

Posted by: Sgt. Pepper | Jun 11 2022 21:36 utc | 70

My comment's OT but fits with b's many reports of presstitute lying. This RT op/ed, "The January 6 Capitol riot was not the real insurrection" begins with that promising headline but self-destructs soon after with this:

"As members of the House of Representatives gather to attend the hearing of the US House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, one can’t help but wonder about the hypocrisy of the spectacle, especially in light of the Biden administration’s soft touch approach to the George Floyd riots that swept the nation in 2020." [My Emphasis]

Biden wasn't elected until November 2020, well after all those riots. Writer and editor just tripped and broke their necks, and I stopped reading. Now I agree with the premise suggested by the headline, but credibility is a premium with proving such premises and that was sunk in the opening paragraph.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2022 21:39 utc | 71

"Could work, and I like that France and Germany do the job. Boris and MI6 deserve the award."

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2022 21:13 utc | 67

Could work indeed. Especially with Boris and the English pirates declaring open economic war on the EU and trying to destroy the common market via a giant hole in the wall in Northern Ireland. Surely the French have to be looking for somewhere to push back? This seems like a possibility, unless they go with the old standbye and try to say that Covid leaked out of a UK lab.

Posted by: Sgt. Pepper | Jun 11 2022 21:41 utc | 72

Gurgle ... 'It is increasingly likely that Ukraine can defeat Russians'

This has been the talking point of the celebrity U.S. officers on CNN / FOX for about a month. Could they be worong ? ? ?

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jun 11 2022 21:42 utc | 73

nook | Jun 11 2022 21:09 utc | 64 & 38

That is what I am seeing. US/UK strategy seems to have been to keep the Ukrainians fighting while sanctions destroyed the Russian economy and social cohesion.
Instead, the rouble is the best performing currency in the world and its economy is going strong. Also, especially after the torture and killing of the Russian POW's, there is wide spread support for the Russian military. Putin's approval rating went up to 80%+.

Now after 3 months non stop Ukraine winning propaganda, the clowns have to find a way out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2022 21:45 utc | 74

karlof1 | Jun 11 2022 21:39 utc | 71

"the Biden administration’s soft touch approach to the George Floyd riots that swept the nation in 2020." [My Emphasis]

Biden wasn't elected until November 2020, well after all those riots. Writer and editor just tripped and broke their necks, and I stopped reading. Now I agree with the premise suggested by the headline, but credibility is a premium with proving such premises and that was sunk in the opening paragraph."

I didn't read it myself, but maybe they mean that many of the most violent and destructive rioters must be easily identifiable on video for any police agency that wanted to identify them, but the Biden administration has had zero interest, what with being so preoccupied with a mere unescorted tour group the capitol police allowed to enter the building.

Well, that's what it ought to have meant.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 11 2022 21:48 utc | 75

@karlof1 | Jun 11 2022 21:39 utc | 71

RT is far from what it was, or from what Western propaganda made us believe it ever was.

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/05/so-simonyan.html?m=1

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 11 2022 21:48 utc | 76

we turned MoA into a Joe Tzu thread with some Ukraine info slipping thru... :)

Posted by: albagen | Jun 11 2022 21:54 utc | 77

@59 Thanks for that. It's fascinating to see hoe CRT has become an integral part of Marxist thinking.

https://thedreizinreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Critical-Race-Theory__FACT-SHEET.pdf

Posted by: dh | Jun 11 2022 21:55 utc | 78

Biden has a quotation on his Presidential desk.

"The buck stops at Putin"

They recently crossed out Putin
and scribbled above Putin with Zelensky.

Posted by: librul | Jun 11 2022 21:57 utc | 79

I didn't read it myself, but maybe they mean that many of the most violent and destructive rioters must be easily identifiable on video for any police agency that wanted to identify them, but the Biden administration has had zero interest, what with being so preoccupied with a mere unescorted tour group the capitol police allowed to enter the building.

Well, that's what it ought to have meant.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jun 11 2022 21:48 utc | 75

that's because the most violent and destructive rioters were probably cops, which of course people like Joe Biden and Amy Klobuchar would be interested in protecting.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 11 2022 21:58 utc | 80

"We are out of ammunition, our men are dying or deserting, we cannot strike our enemies with the same range artillery, we have limited fuel for our armored vehicles, we are being encircled by the enemy, and you want me to retreat?! Drive me closer so I can hit them with my sword!" -Tank Commander

Who couldn't see this coming? The needed resources (vehicles and men) to transport those weapons and munitions so far from the western border to the eastern border in addition still to those resources being a trickle of what is needed on the Ukrainian front is a logistical and operational folly by men more decorated than any of us. Hell! Napoleon had to watch his high and mighty peacock generals strut until people realized they didn't know what they were doing and gave power to Napoleon.

Posted by: Prometheus | Jun 11 2022 21:59 utc | 81

@karlof1
Propaganda artists, of all ideologies, understand that the headline itself is a powerful piece of propaganda.

Many eyeballs will scan the page and read that headline. Few will click the headline itself. Even among those, even fewer will read with a critical eye and understand that the article does not back up the headline.

In other words, the misleading headline about how an attempt to storm the Capitol 'was not an insurrection' went far and wide, and few of the people who had that message implanted into their brain will read deep enough to understand that it was an attempt to mislead and was not supported by the article.

You will see that all over the place these days, from left to right ... or, in America, from center-right to far-right which is the entire span of the current American political spectrum.

Me, I can only sit back and imagine just how much of today's trouble could have been avoided if the Left had simply understood that storming the capitol and rejecting an election was not an insurrection. Who knew that one could call for this on national TV and get away with it scot free?

For one thing, the return to the halls of power of Victoria Nuland in 2001 could have been prevented after an election that was openly stolen. Would the world be a better place today if Victoria Nuland had stayed just the wife of the think-tank guy? If only that stolen election had not been so meekly accepted.

Posted by: Sgt. Pepper | Jun 11 2022 22:00 utc | 82

On the many objections by British officials as to the status of the British mercenaries sentenced to death:

I'll not quote BoJo, Truss or others as we all have read what they've said, which is that the men in question were lawful combatants. From their remarks, it's very plausible to conclude the UK is admitting it's a belligerent in the conflict between Ukraine and Russia and thus qualifies as a legitimate target. I don't believe that was their intent but that's what resulted. And I very much doubt I'm the only one who has drawn that conclusion. I'm sure there're a great many Russians who wouldn't at all mind seeing the MI-6 edifice reduced to a pile of smoldering concrete and twisted rebar. IMO, it's very likely this issue will surface again and again. How many NATO nationals are being held is unknown but is probably more than a dozen, and they're all unlawful combatants. Some have suggested a swap for Assange. Now I want him to be freed as much as anyone, but I doubt the Outlaw US Empire will surrender its most prized prisoner.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2022 22:00 utc | 83

What often baffles me is the way narratives change in the collective West without batting an eyelid. Not long ago we were being told that Russia was running out of ammo. And now suddenly Russia is outgunning the NATO! The Western's masses' brainwash is complete.

Posted by: Steve | Jun 11 2022 22:13 utc | 84

"Could work, and I like that France and Germany do the job. Boris and MI6 deserve the award."

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2022 21:13 utc | 67

Could work indeed. Especially with Boris and the English pirates declaring open economic war on the EU and trying to destroy the common market via a giant hole in the wall in Northern Ireland. Surely the French have to be looking for somewhere to push back? This seems like a possibility, unless they go with the old standbye and try to say that Covid leaked out of a UK lab.

Posted by: Sgt. Pepper | Jun 11 2022 21:41 utc | 72


Don't forget that you are discussing a major breakup of Western Alliance, and over what. The original poster's reason was so that France and Germany could justify some form of normalization of relations with Russia, to whom (?) - to their electorate.

As if in today's world it is necessary for governments to justify any policy to the electorate. Even less so if the policy brings benefits to that same electorate.

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 11 2022 22:13 utc | 85

That titanium came from Russia. Russia has cornered the market on titanium just as China has on rare earth metals.
Posted by: Mark Thomason | Jun 11 2022 18:21 utc | 6

Some people can be confused reading that. Titanium is relatively ubiquitous, although most of the production has the form of dioxide used for paints, the production of the metallic form is somewhat wide. Russia makes the best titanium for aerospace. Like with steel, there are different grades etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 11 2022 22:16 utc | 86

I doubt the Outlaw US Empire will surrender its most prized prisoner.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2022 22:00 utc | 83

Surely not for "trash", these people are worth more, to UK, dead than alive. Conversely, Russia wants to keep them alive as a warning poster etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 11 2022 22:19 utc | 87

dh@78
Anyone who claims that Bolsheviks brooked no dissent knows nothing of the history of the Bolshevik faction. It is a record of continual debate, dissension, argument and faction fighting. Lenin was in a tiny minority when, returning to Petrograd in 1917, he called for insurrection. Stalin was one of those who opposed him. He called Kamenev and Zinoviev "strikebreakers" for refusing to be involved in revolutionary planning.
Parties like the Bolsheviks do not succeed in turning the world upside down, and then defending their achievement against the world, without constant dissension, continual disputation and the fullest and most exhaustive debates.
AS to Critical Race Theory I see little connection between it and Marxism- the same might be said of most "Marxists" too. What is significant is that the racists who attack CRT as if it were of great importance are all from the anti-Communist school of falsification, which is why the beginning of all their analysis of CRT involves recapitulating all the McCarthyite- John Birch nonsense with which they brainwashed so many Americans in the Cold War.
Its all we needed another bunch of US accented fascists trying to sell their theories on the basis that they too are opposed to NATO. The question is whether they are opposed to the fascism that NATO is supporting.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 11 2022 22:23 utc | 88

There is someone that both sides can agree upon to blame.
Igor Kolomoisky

Posted by: librul | Jun 11 2022 22:24 utc | 90

Several commenters have made the point that Russia supplies titanium.
Looking at the exporters of titanium ore:
https://oec.world/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/export/show/all/5261400/2020/
Russian exports do not seem to be significant.

Can anyone shed light on what people mean when they say "titanium" in this context?
I understand Russia provides lots of essentials, but is it actually true regarding titanium?

Posted by: Deltaeus | Jun 11 2022 22:26 utc | 91

Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 11 2022 21:02 utc | 61

re... Sulzberger and Bezos dynasties...

Ahhh. Dynasties are a promising target. And no dynasty persists without being quietly recruited by at least 1 .gov entity. Likewise, no billionairre arrives without being recruited. To exist otherwise would be an unthinkable failure of Standard Operating Procedure.

Dynasty, royalty, corporation, trusts and foundations, IRS charitable structures, a politicized and financialized system of justice...all dodgy creations to accumulate wealth/power/influence and delay forever any final accounting.

And when in extremis those contradictory forms of twisted fairness are not up to the task of preserving the 0.01 %, there is always the light touch of assassination.

Posted by: chu teh | Jun 11 2022 22:28 utc | 92

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 11 2022 22:13 utc | 85

I already explained to you, but you didn't care. I'll repeat :

The US will try anything to forbide resuming relation between France+Germany, and Russia. The US have powerful relay in the French and German medias. These will relentlessly denounce Macron and Scholz as acomplice of "Putin the slaughter". It's not a politicaly sustainable position for them.

The problem is not to avoid dissatisafaction inside the contituents, it is to avoid a deep and unbearable moral outrage.

If that was not true, it would have been possible for people described as Hitler-friendly to be elected. The reality is : you can't be friend of Hitler. Same for Hitler2.0 which currently is Vladimir Vladimirovitch.

Putin must be whitewashed, and you can understand that.

Bojo could be expedient as a scapegoat, that's all.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 11 2022 22:32 utc | 93

Apparently , the Kiev regime is pursuing the annihilation of the Ukrainians in the portion destined to become the New Israel that Zelensky has been talking about.

According to Intel Slava,: (cut and paste)
🇺🇦❗In Ukraine, the mobilization of women is being prepared for the purpose of "uninterrupted replenishment of the losses of personnel" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. First of all, until June 15, the mobilization of women who are already liable for military service will start, and until June 31 Ukrainian women from 18 to 60 will be registered for military service.

The order concerns the Dnepropetrovsk, Kyiv, Kirovograd, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kharkov, parts of the Donetsk and Zaporozhye regions.

End of quote

In other words, after the elimination of the able bodied men, now the regime wants to use women as cannon fodder so as to depopulate the fertile crescent of Ukraine to the benefit of the chosen few that are starting to feel the heat in the Middle East.

Their aim would be Novo Judea and not Novorossiya.

That the Europeans keep toeing this line (of blind support for the Kiev Regime) shows the steel grip the Chosen Fews have upon the western governments of this world and on the minds of the deluded citizens of these countries who are bling to the horror they are supporting and abetting..

The problem lies in finding avenues of information to address these well intentioned but misled people in the West.

Should we go back to the printed words of yesteryears pamphlets?

Should seizing of TV and Radio air waves be instituted through hackers?

If nothing is done, Ukraine will soon be a very desolate place indeed, to the utmost satisfaction of the Rothschild, Rockefeller, Soros, and company.

And, unwittingly and unwillingly, Russia will have contributed to the fulfillment of this new
zionist dream.

What horror!

Posted by: CarlD | Jun 11 2022 22:33 utc | 94


Bojo is the perfect scapegoat for France and Germany, because he is a hard-brexiter, and he is feeble, nearing exit since Partygate.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 11 2022 21:06 utc |62

Hello Parisian Guy.

I'm not sure if you understand the United Kingdom and how it works. For example, do you believe that Boris Johnson is the architect of the British intervention in the Ukraine? All of the really nasty stuff?

The UK operates as a [ ] monarchy. The entire state operates in the name of the monarch. Every state employee (High Court judges down) swears to obey the person of the monarch. Every civil servant.

Johnson has been around these three years.

Every week during those three years he meets the monarch [to recieve his marching orders], and then meets the Cabinet [Executive Committee of the privy council].

That's the reality.

So you might be right about France and Germany. But I'm not so sure that Russia will go along with it.

Vladimir Putin has been worse than betrayed by Merkel. He looks a fool.

Why would Russia allow its enemies to get away with a useless scapegoat for the umpteenth time?

This is the final showdown between Russia and the Empire. Both sides playing to win.

Posted by: John Cleary | Jun 11 2022 22:34 utc | 95

They seem to have enough ammo to lob random shells indiscriminately into residential Donetsk. Roll on, товарищи, Roll on.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 11 2022 22:36 utc | 96

Biden's repeated announcements that the Russians were going to attack was based less on imtel and more on the knowledge that the US/Ukraine were going to take Donbas and Crimea by force. Battalions were massing in Mariupol and shelling had increased fourfold.
Biden has lied for so long about everything, he has lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. Even his private thoughts are lies.

Posted by: CarolDW | Jun 11 2022 22:38 utc | 97

Biden's repeated announcements that the Russians were going to attack was based less on imtel and more on the knowledge that the US/Ukraine were going to take Donbas and Crimea by force. Battalions were massing in Mariupol and shelling had increased fourfold.
Biden has lied for so long about everything, he has lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. Even his private thoughts are lies.

Posted by: CarolDW | Jun 11 2022 22:38 utc | 98

Thanks for the replies on the propaganda issue. Here we have another, except it's not the publication but the article's center-of-focus doing the deed. "Pentagon Chief Dubs Ukraine 'Preview' of 'World of Chaos' to Justify US' 300k Troop Presence in Asia":

The Ukrainian crisis is a “preview” of what can happen in the absence of the US-dominated “rules-based international order” and American boots on the ground, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has implied.

“So let’s be clear. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is what happens when oppressors trample the rules that protect us all. It’s what happens when big powers decide that their imperial appetites matter more than the rights of their peaceful neighbors. And it’s a preview of a possible world of chaos and turmoil that none of us would want to live in,” Austin said, speaking at the Shangri-La Dialogue security forum in Singapore on Friday.

“We see the dangers of disorder. So let’s use this moment to come together in purpose. Let’s use this moment to strengthen the rules-based international order. And let’s use this moment to think about the future that we all want. That’s really why I’m here today. The United States stands firmly beside our partners to ensure that we continue moving toward that shared vision. And we will continue to do our part to strengthen security in the Indo-Pacific. More members of the US military are stationed here than in any other part of the world: more than 300,000 of our men and women,” the defense secretary said.

Of those 300K, 90% are support troops, and they're spread out from Hawaii to Diego Garcia, the largest concentration outside Hawaii being Japan and South Korea followed by Guam. Ausitn's words show he's promoting Fascism as the rules based order can only be run with Outlaw US Empire boots to enforce it. IMO, Austin just provided the best argument against such a system. It's Colonialism given another name.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 11 2022 22:40 utc | 99

I predict the relationship with the Kiev regime and their western backers will further sour in the coming weeks. Just waiting for the mud slinging. Keen to see how Ukraine will spill the beans on the US biolabs and MH17.

Posted by: Dimitri Xi Jones | Jun 11 2022 22:40 utc | 100

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