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June 1, 2022
Ukraine Bits: Casualty Numbers, Kampfgruppen, Territorial Defense Forces

Over the last month I had come to the conclusion that the Ukraine is losing about 500 men per day due to intense Russian artillery fire. That number may have been too low.

I had mentioned high Ukrainian casualty rates due to Russian artillery fire on April 25:

The nearly 1,000 artillery missions in the last 24 hours and on the days before speak of intense preparations for upcoming attacks by Russian mechanized forces. Over all artillery will do the most damage to the Ukrainian troops. In World War II and other modern mechanized wars some 65% of all casualties were caused by artillery strikes. The recent rate on the Ukrainian side will likely be higher.

I revisited that on May 5:

The Russian military forces are grinding down Ukrainian ground forces by extensive use of heavy artillery. The Ukrainian artillery has been destroyed or lacks ammunition.The Ukrainian forces have orders to stay in their position and to hold the line. That only makes sure that Russian artillery strikes will destroy them.

The order was given because the 'west' has pushed the Ukrainian president to not make peace with Russia. The consequence will be the assured destruction of the Ukrainian military.

Again on May 14:

The Ukraine is losing up to 15,000 men per month to the war. The total Ukrainian casualties, dead and wounded, are likely already at 50,000. The weapons the U.S. and others provide, are not sufficient to sustain the war. The Ukraine has only 3 days reserves of diesel and gasoline left. The main parts of its forces are immobile and are getting surrounded by Russian forces. Their situation is hopeless.

On May 20 I wrote:

[I]f one trusts the daily 'clobber list' the Russian Ministry of Defense puts out all positions of the Ukrainian army are under heavy artillery fire and it is losing about 500 men per day. There are additional Russian effective strikes on training camps, weapon storage sites and transport hubs all over the country.

In a recent interview with Newsmax the Ukrainian comedian and president Volodimir Zelenski mentioned casualty numbers:

"The most difficult situation is in the east of Ukraine and southern Donetsk and Luhansk.

"The situation is very difficult; we're losing 60-100 soldiers per day as killed in action and something around 500 people as wounded in action. So we are holding our defensive perimeters."

That sums up to 600 casualties per day which is about 18,000 per month which is even higher than my earlier estimates. However Zelenski has interest in lowballing the real number.

As Ivan Katchanowski from the University of Ottawa points out, the numbers Zelenski gives relate to only one region and only to a specific category of people:

Ivan Katchanovski @I_Katchanovski – 4:57 UTC · Jun 1, 2022

#Zelenskyy statement about 60-100 soldiers killed & about 500 wounded per day in combat is minimal casualty number. Missing in action, who are killed, are not reported as killed. Casualty numbers also likely exclude territorial defense, police, SBU, etc & non-combat casualties.

#Zelenskyy statement about 60-100 #Ukrainian soldiers killed & 500 wounded per day refers to #Donbas. It excludes casualties of #RussiaUkraineWar in #Kharkiv region & Southern #Ukraine & casualties of daily Russian missile attacks in other regions of #Ukraine. #UkraineRussiaWar

The real numbers for the dead and wounded on the Ukrainian side may well be double the numbers Zelenski mentioned.

There are at least five different groups of security forces in Ukraine. The normal uniformed police and the SBU which is a secret internal police and political enforcer power derived from the former KGB. The regular military forces includes the army, navy and airforce. The National Guard is different in that it was established under the Ministry for the Interior from fascist militant groups like the Azov, Aidar, Dnepr-1 and 2, C-14 and other battalions. These are actively fighting but not soldiers in any real sense.

Then there are the really screwed ones, the Territorial Defense Force:

It is formed by a core of part-time reservists, usually former combat veterans, and in cases of war can be expanded to local civilian volunteers for local defense, in a case of mass mobilization. That core is expected to lead the mobilized volunteers.

The Territorial Defense Forces also contain the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine, formed by foreign volunteers.

Other details of interest:

On 25 May 2021, President Volodymyr Zelensky introduced a law to the Verkhovna Rada (Ukraine's national parliament) "on the basis of national resistance" […] The old Territorial Defence units would be now organized under the new Territorial Defense Forces as a standalone branch of the Armed Forces. Veterans of the Donbas War from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, National Guard of Ukraine and other paramilitary forces involved in the conflict would provide a backbone to train and lead the mobilized volunteers. […] The creation of the branch coincided with the Russian military build-up which had been ongoing since 2021.

On 11 February 2022, the planned number of volunteers was increased to 1.5 to 2 million.

By 6 March, almost 100,000 people had volunteered for the Territorial Defense Forces. Some units stopped accepting volunteer as they reached their operational limit. There were reports of Ukrainian volunteers paying bribes or using connections to join the Territorial Defense.

In February, when the Ukraine government ordered a general mobilization, many people 'voluntarily' entered the Territorial Defense forces to avoid being drafted into the real military. The Territorial Defense battalions were responsible for local defense in their area of the country. People who 'volunteered' for them hoped to stay in their home area instead of being send to the battle front.

However in early May the Ukrainian parliament adopted a law "On the Fundamentals of National Resistance" (machine translation):

Territorial Defense Forces will be withdrawn from the Armed Forces and receive separate funding. They are given a leading role in the organization and implementation of the tasks of territorial defense of Ukraine.

The law defines such concepts as "national resistance", "territorial defense", "resistance movement", "voluntary formation of a territorial community", etc. changed the law on the Territorial Defense Battalions.

The Territorial Defense Forces are no longer part of the military. Are their members still 'soldiers' or are they 'volunteers'? It is not clear to me under who's command they now are.

One consequence of the law was that the Territorial Defense units were no longer territorial but could be ordered to fight all over the country.

As the Washington Post recently reported:

Before the invasion, Lapko was a driller of oil and gas wells. Khrus bought and sold power tools. Both lived in the western city of Uzhhorod and joined the territorial defense forces, a civilian militia that sprang up after the invasion.

They were given orders to head to the western city of Lviv. When they got there, they were ordered to go south and then east into Luhansk province in Donbas, portions of which were already under the control of Moscow-backed separatists and are now occupied by Russian forces. A couple dozen of his men refused to fight, Lapko said, and they were imprisoned.

They were put onto the front line as cannon fodder and later deserted.

In a regular military there will be one unit (brigade, battalion, company) assigned to a specific length of the frontline. A brigade commander will put his mechanized infantry battalions out on the front next to each other and his artillery battalion further back. He may decide to keep a company or two of tanks in reserve. The officers and NCOs in a brigade will usually know each other as they have trained together while growing through the ranks. Such units can fight and coordinated well because their officers and soldiers have worked and partied together for some time and know each other by heart.

Unfortunately for Ukraine it no longer has any complete brigade units. These have fallen apart due to high casualty rates and material losses. This seems to have led to a change of the command structure.

During the last years of World War II the German Wehrmacht often used Kampfgruppen (combat groups). These were a mix of remnants of mostly destroyed regular units put together under the command of one officer and often formed for a specific task. The subunits came from different command cultures and localities and would often not know each other. They were not trained to the same level. To coordinate them was difficult.

There are signs that the Ukraine is now using such a Kampfgruppen concept. Several recent reports of this or that operation or town lost or gained by Ukrainian forces named three or four involved brigades. However, when one looked at the size of those places or operations there was no way that so many full fledged units were involved.

I have come to understand that these were Kampfgruppen like formations under which remnants of the three or four former brigades were subsumed.

Now what happens to a Territorial Defense unit that gets assigned to a Kampfgruppe? As it is most likely the weakest and least armed unit it will be put into those places where the highest loses can be expected. The commander of the Kampfgruppe will naturally keep the forces of those remnant mechanized units he knows best close to himself or in reserve while the infantry cannon fodder of the Territorial Defense unit is ordered to man the frontline. These units are likely to have the highest numbers of casualties.

It is doubtful that Zelenski's numbers included their dead and wounded.

We can therefore somewhat safely assume that the real casualty numbers are now some 200 dead and 800 wounded per day and maybe even above that. How many more will be 'missed in action'?

Before the war the public health system in Ukraine was already in a miserable state. Medical personal that had the means will long have left the country. How will it be able to handle such high numbers of casualties?

Shrapnel wounds caused by artillery are often nasty and more complicate than simple gun shots. If not cared for immediately they are likely to get infected and tend to not heal well.

All this lets me fear that many of the wounded will not receive the necessary care and will not survive the war. Will their death in this or that improvised field hospital be counted as a combat death?

High casualty numbers are not good for morale so Kiev will likely try to avoid to include them.

There is already trouble in the ranks of Ukrainian army. Several several groups of soldiers have called out publicly to stop the senseless waste of life.

At what point will the Ukrainian military or the Territorial Defense units turn against the Zelenski regime?

Comments

The easiest weapon materiel to destroy is that which is under your own air superiority. If Russia is using Clausewitz principles to hammer away at a military vs. a population, then why would they completely stop the influx of opposing weaponry into exposure for destruction at their leisure? Destroy the guardians to ensure victory; EU NATO depreciation write-offs are making the SMO stages after ‘3’ easier, because logistically this materiel (and its training) cannot be replaced fast enough.
Or it’s all some elaborate 11th-dimensional poker-chess of unbeatable illuminati… who are already arguing amongst themselves at Davos… 😉

Posted by: JR whenDallasdreamt | Jun 2 2022 9:29 utc | 201

218 Scorpion – many thanks for the link to Helmer illuminating article on the oligarchs and Nabiullina and the Russian Central Bank. It’s very worrying that even if Russia “wins” both the military conflict with Ukraine and the economic one with the West, the same global elite will increase their power both in Russia and the nATO countries. I’m not one who believes that Putin is playing for the WE Forum mob, but it’s certainly conceivable he himself is being played.
Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 1 2022 23:55 utc | 123. I suspect that, apart from Zelinski being protected by western special services, the main reason why the Ukrainian military don’t mount a coup, is the impossibility of organising it without western intelligence knowing it. They won’t wish to end up lack those behind the July plot 1944 plot against Hitler. It’s clear global elites want to keep this war going as long as possible at whatever cost to ordinary Ukrainians. It may also be that if (as above re Helmer’s article), they can achieve even more of the Russian economy ending up in the hands of oligarchs (with zero loyalty to the country), they have a Plan B if Russia ultimately wins this war decisively. We must be on our guard.

Posted by: ManintheMoon | Jun 2 2022 9:47 utc | 202

… I like to think I bring things like these up just to remind us that there are many levels to whatever we are observing and analyzing. …
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 2:51 utc | 156

Always appreciated.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 2 2022 10:14 utc | 203

@ManintheMoon #201
Helmer’s article would be much better if he used the word “billionaire” instead of “oligarch”. Most Russian billionaires were against even the return of Crimea, let alone the Special Military Operation, yet both happened. That proves that decision-making power does not lie with Russian billionaires, i.e., they are not oligarchs.

Posted by: S | Jun 2 2022 10:18 utc | 204

According to Southfront those HIMARS were already delivered while the alleged debate was still ongoing.
https://southfront.org/u-s-himars-already-reached-ukrainian-border/
Its becoming more obvious that those things are intended for long range bombardment of Russian cities, just a malicious provocation waiting to happen. The long range ammo will arrive in a plausibly deniable way of course. I think they want an extreme escalation before the SARMAT missiles come into service later this year. Am I being overly paranoid and cynical? I have been around more than six decades and I have never yet managed to be cynical enough to match the US/UK/Israeli level.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 2 2022 11:27 utc | 205

US and Putins short term strategic interest coincide. Both need this war to be a long and bloody war. The Russian people are not pychologically prepared for Putin’s decision to break from Europe. Last year the most popular band in Europe was Otova Yo. They and their fan base are rooted in European culture. As the article about Putins finance folks demonstrate, there is no deep desire among Russians to become a vassal of the CCP. Putin needs a bloody war that generates hate towards Russia. The logic of his thoughts about Ukraine clearly demand he engage in Genocide. Biden needs a long war because that is what capitalism does

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 2 2022 11:58 utc | 206

How the powers that be cleaned up Dubya Bush’s ANG behavior which was worthy of Court Martial.
Take a 60 minutes episode, with a high profile “respected” “journalist”, get a few small details wrong on purpose.
Disqualify the whole story.
Run the bus over the “journalist” who wittingly played along because they’re all CIA.
The MSM has become increasingly worse since then as we witness the complete fabrication of news items re: Ukraine vs. Russia, et al.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Jun 2 2022 11:59 utc | 207

New Atlas is one of the best. Don’t miss him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTEE__gcjk8

Posted by: ariadna | Jun 2 2022 12:13 utc | 208

Please note where Russians choose to live. That great Russian patriot Andrei Martyanov lives in Florida—not Shanghai. Before Putin is done he will level Kiev. If Russia is returning to its status of vassal of the eastern empire it will be necessary to destroy Russia’s European legacy.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 2 2022 12:16 utc | 209

“Washington will build 110 military facilities in Poland in the next 10 years” – American Ambassador in Warsaw, Marek Brzezinski.

Posted by: rk | Jun 2 2022 12:32 utc | 210

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 2 2022 12:16 utc | 207
That great Russian patriot Andrei Martyanov…
Andrei Martyanov is Azerbaijani, born in Baku.
You are just making a spectacle of yourself.
You need to improve your research if you really want to annoy people here.

Posted by: Walt | Jun 2 2022 12:41 utc | 211

What if this campaign turns out to be modeled by the US on the Korean War.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2022 20:53 utc | 78

Completely ludicrous statement. One needs to be quite ignorant about the Korean war to say that.
The yankees destroyed whole cities to the ground and they used biological weapons against the enemy (cf. now military biolabs all over Ukraine led by the yanks). There were some 2 millions civilians killed in Korea.
In Ukraine it is the other way round: the civilians are targeted by the nazis, used as hostages and shields while the Russians do everything to protect them.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 2 2022 12:48 utc | 212

Please note where Russians choose to live. That great Russian patriot Andrei Martyanov lives in Florida—not Shanghai. Before Putin is done he will level Kiev. If Russia is returning to its status of vassal of the eastern empire it will be necessary to destroy Russia’s European legacy.
Andrei Lives in a suburb of Seattle, Washington State.
He was a neighbor, during our assignment at Peace Health, Vancouver.
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 2 2022 12:50 utc | 213

No. US is sitting on Europe sucking it dry while trying to stay afloat. EU will go first like a hollowed out insect in a spiders web.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 2 2022 7:35 utc | 191
Oooh… Vicious!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 13:00 utc | 214

@Misa #7
My immediate reaction is that this is Ukrainian Twitter Warrior garbage or military fanboi fiction.
There are many reasons why voice communication of threat is a bad idea; the notion that the “computer” is automatically identifying a Gepard also seems quite fanciful.
But maybe someone with actual direct familiarity with Russian helicopter systems can comment.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:01 utc | 215

@Scorpion #12
Biden’s op-ed explains it clearly: to give Ukraine a better position at the negotiating table.
Not saying this is a valid view, but it certainly could be what they are really thinking.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:03 utc | 216

Re: Bush and Vietnam
People need to understand that what Bush (and a whole bunch of other boomer politicians) did to avoid service in Vietnam is no different than what is happening in Ukraine right now.
Middle class and upper families can get their sons out of Ukraine for 5000 euro or so; it is so institutionalized that one of Ukraine’s finance ministers proposed making it into a law.
It is precisely this dynamic that makes me wonder just how many Ukrainians are REALLY able and willing to fight Russia inside Ukraine.
I am quite certain this dynamic didn’t exist to anywhere near this degree in Afghanistan and Vietnam…
And so the Ukrainians fighting the Russian army, Chechens and LDPR militias are a sprinkling of far-right and poor suckers…

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:09 utc | 217

@ vetinLA #42
Sorry, but we (the US) are still #1 in inflation: 8.5% in March, 8.3% in April.
May numbers coming in 10 days.
That might change as Russian oil sanctions further turbocharge Brent prices, but it hasn’t happened yet.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:12 utc | 218

@Scorpion #46
Russian agriculture is NOT organic. It is simply not GMO/Monsanto.
There is a wide gulf between full-on US GMO+Monsanto vs. organic.
Among other things, there is no certification of “organic” in Russia like the USDA does in the US.
There is also very little doubt that Russian farmers are making use of cheap Russian and Belarussian N and P fertilizers.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:20 utc | 219

Posted by: JR whenDallasdreamt | Jun 2 2022 9:29 utc | 200
“EU NATO depreciation write-offs are making the SMO stages after ‘3’ easier, because logistically this materiel (and its training) cannot be replaced fast enough.
Or it’s all some elaborate 11th-dimensional poker-chess of unbeatable illuminati… who are already arguing amongst themselves at Davos… 😉

Illuminati or whatnot the fighting on the ground is its own universe with its own reality. Your explanation makes perfect sense. Current Russian formation is huge crescent Cauldron backed by supply lines in nearby Mother Russia. Except for poor civilians in Donetsk no reason to rush forward if tens of thousands of the enemy are parked within range of your artillery and willing to keep bringing more targets into view.
That said am surprised that people in Donetsk have to keep enduring shelling three months in and counting…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 13:22 utc | 220

@Scorpion #114
I am sympathetic with a number of the proposals Glazyev puts forward, but it is completely true that Glazyev completely ignores the high inflation rate in Russia. Thus it is more than slightly damning when Glazyev blames the CBR for high interest rates – he rightly notes this hurts business investment as business loans are punitive, but the interest rate level isn’t there to punish business borrowing so much as to try and contain inflation.
And it extends beyond that: home loans in Russia, for example, can be 20%/5 years. Think about that: you are literally paying more than twice sales price for a property in Russia if you finance it via mortgage. So as high as the property prices are in Russia – they would be much, much higher if people could get US/EU style mortgages.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:30 utc | 221

. . .on the economy
from Germany
German Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck, also Germany’s economy minister: “Putin is still getting money, but he can hardly spend it” because of Western sanctions. “Time is not working for Russia. It is working against Russia, it is working against the Russian economy,” he said. “No one wants to invest in Russia any more.”
from Reuters
The average forecast among 18 analysts polled in late May suggested the Russian economy was on track to shrink by 7.6% this year. A similar poll in late April predicted economic contraction of 8.4%. The inflation slowdown is driven by sluggish consumer demand at home along with a rapid rouble appreciation. That in turn is driven by capital controls and Russia’s record current account surplus, due to high prices for its commodity exports and a rapid fall in imports. Now full-year inflation is expected to accelerate to 16.4%, up from 8.4% in 2021, but well below last month’s expectations for a 20.5% annual consumer prices increase.
from DW
Germany’s inflation rate reached 7.9% in May, according to data published by the German statistical agency Destatis. The preliminary figures were based on the consumer price index with prices from May 2021. May’s inflation was thus up by roughly one-tenth over the already record-breaking rate in April this year. It’s the highest rate of inflation since German reunification and a level similar to that seen in 1973/1974 following the oil crisis.
from Reuters
Jamie Dimon, Chairman and Chief Executive of JPMorgan Chase & Co described the challenges facing the U.S. economy akin to an “hurricane” down the road and urged the Federal Reserve to take forceful measures to avoid tipping the world’s biggest economy into a recession.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 2 2022 13:31 utc | 222

@mcohen #116
Can you present some evidence?
I have been looking for weeks for any evidence, whatsoever, that there is a force of 20K or more Ukrainians anywhere in the EU being trained and equipped for a counter offensive. It would really need to be at least 50K or more.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:32 utc | 223

Olivier@210
Thank you for your thoughtful and courteous contribution to the discussion.
I think that you are confusing the Russians in Ukraine with the Americans in Korea. In fact the Russians are playing the same role as the KLA and Kim was.
Had you actually read my post you would have realised that I was arguing that in the first phase of the Korean War, the Koreans, in the north, provoked by attacks on their allies in the south, crossed the 38th parallel and pushed aside all opposition.
I should add that the genocidal attacks, massacres and mass imprisonments of resistance members in the south were carried out by Japanese collaborator forces under the direction of the puppet Syngman Rhee.
That seems to be similar in broad terms to what has happened in the SMO- provoked, the Russians have pushed the Ukrainians aside and offered protection to the millions of victims of the Kiev/NATO regime.
What happened in Korea was that, pushed into a corner in the south west the US assembled an army consisting of most of its reserves across the world. It then, as you kindly point out, hit back, after mobilising the UN, and proceeded upon the most appalling bombing campaign that had ever been seen. The US, rather as the Galicians do, saw the Koreans as less than human and wiped out entire towns without compunction- as can be seen from the memoirs of many of those involved. But I expect that you knew that!
I am far from suggesting that the next phase of the campaign will be a repeat of the Inchon landing and the bombing campaign. But it does seem to me that it is likely that in Washington among the little minds planning the war against Russia the model of MacArthur’s fight back is being considered.
As I said the Korean War ended in a series of US/UN defeats, thanks not to superior numbers or equipment on the PLA/KLA part but to superior tactics and morale.
I will take your apology as given.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2022 13:33 utc | 224

President Volodymyr Zelensky: “As of today, about 20% of our territory is controlled by the occupiers, almost 125,000 square kilometers. It is much more than the area of all Benelux countries combined,” Zelensky said in his address to the politicians and the people of Luxembourg, Ukrinform reports. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 2 2022 13:39 utc | 225

He’s also lying. There more territory controlled and what’s not controlled yet has no military left to prevent anything. Except where civilians are prisoners, like Odessa.
The puppet has orders to minimize the failure of their army and nato’s keyboard warriors

Posted by: rk | Jun 2 2022 13:42 utc | 226

@bevin #27
It is a terrible article. It conflates not using GMO crops and Roundup with organic – which is a false dichotomy.
One of the main reasons for Roundup/glyphosate popularity is that it is cheap to manufacture: 3 methods of commercial glyphosate manufacture
Note that 2 of the 3 start with ammonia – the same as the Haber Bosch outputs for fertilizer.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:42 utc | 227

I’m getting tired of serial rambler/opportunist Gonzalo Lira getting way more airplay than he deserves, including here on MoA.
So he lives (lived?) in Ukraine and shares the same views as most of us. How does that then qualify him as a source of information, particularly since he reports from his kitchen these days, and regurgitates the same info any of us can equally read online just as he does?
But this time he went one further…
In his latest video he (coincidence?) even made the exact same joke about Lord of the Rings when talking about the exact same topic as another Youtuber, who puts way more effort and research into his videos besides pouring water into a coffee machine.
Watch both vids and judge for yourself who comes across as more professional, doing their own research, or deserving of your time :
Gonzalo Lira:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5Y3lbfi8Js
(skip to 7:00 for same topic/joke combo)
History Legends:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RRdxyIYOjk
(skip to 15:00 for same topic/joke combo)
Maybe I’m being too harsh, but FYI, the second video precedes the latter in when it was published.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 2 2022 13:44 utc | 228

Glory and Honor to the RAF (Russian Armed Forces).
Please do not stop your conquest in Kiev.
Keep going westward and liberate Berlin

Posted by: Chew Chow | Jun 2 2022 13:48 utc | 229

Sorry I got his home wrong. Seattle would feel more like home.
Russian Students May Have to Learn Mandarin For College Entrance Exams By 2020. Russia’s Federal Service for the Supervision of Education and Science plans to make Mandarin Chinese a mandatory foreign language in state testing across the nation by the year 2020.
I wonder how far the process of reeducation has gone in the primary schools.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 2 2022 13:48 utc | 230

As any student of history knows you learn your masters language

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 2 2022 13:54 utc | 231

oops by latter i meant former..

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 2 2022 13:54 utc | 232

@Et Tu #226
So you have noticed that Lira is a serial plagiarist?
That is what I’ve been saying for some time. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with repeating what others have said/analyzed so long as you credit them.
This is important not just from a recognition of thought leadership perspective, but in understanding the reliability/provenance of the info and the credibility of the repeater.
Mercouris and Christoforou are reporting from England and Greece/Cyprus respectively and so are getting all of their information 2nd hand, but are careful to note what comes from others and what is their analysis derived from this 2nd hand info.
Lira, on the other hand, is either deliberately or subconsciously trying to build up himself as the end-all, be-all expert on Ukraine when he is manifestly not.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:57 utc | 233

From NC originally
Russian Artillery Can Lob Shells At Ukrainian Troops With 10 Seconds Notice

Today there are between 50 and 70 Russian BTGs on the Russia-Ukraine border, ready to roll into Ukraine on short notice.
Each has an artillery component. Three batteries each with six 2S19 152-millimeter self-propelled howitzers. The batteries trail behind the tank and infantry companies, each with a junior officer in charge, safe under armor in his own 1V13 fire-control vehicle.

That close integration of tanks, infantry and artillery allows the guns to shoot fast at enemy troops that might break cover for less than a minute at a time.
That’s all the time Russian gunners need. “Today the cycle [from reconnaissance to engagement] takes literally 10 seconds,” said Maj. Gen. Vadim Marusin, deputy chief of staff of Russia’s ground forces.

Note this article was published on 2/2/2022 – 3 weeks before the SMO started. The 10 second number is likely accurate as there are numerous videos showing Ukrainian patrols, etc walking around under drone observation and then getting hit after literally a handful of seconds of footage.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 14:00 utc | 234

Posted by: Seer | Jun 2 2022 1:37 utc | 142
I realize there’s still the sticky point of how Russia could have some sort of buffer, but, if Ukraine ceased to exist one could say that “Ukraine” was de-militarized and de-nazified. I suppose that the Donbass and the South could become buffer states/entities, though unlikely to be “neutral” (siding with Russia; this would be just fine with Russia I’d suppose).
Hmmm, that seems bang on. We’ll soon learn how well the Seer sees!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 14:04 utc | 235

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 2 2022 2:13 utc | 151
Thanks for setting me straight on A.M’s book. It was posted recently on Larry A’s site so I just assumed it was recently published. My bad.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 14:06 utc | 236

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:03 utc | 214
It makes sense (Ukie attack to get better negotiations).
Everything is so ridiculously stupid and wantonly reckless. The sooner they commit Biden to a lunatic asylum where he belongs the sooner the American elites can realize they belong in there with him and the sooner the American people can wake up out of their stupor and turn their current asylum back into a bona fide nation!!
I note that Amarynth at Saker couldn’t keep up with a normal Sitrep and had to emote about it as well.
Russia is giving the West a veritable ‘teaching moment!’

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 14:17 utc | 237

@ Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:57 utc | 231
Yup.
I checked his Youtube metrics, 4 million views in little over a month on the new channel, assuming he’s monetised, not bad going at 3-5k ad revenue per million views? One wonders whether MoA or the Saker saw any of that for all the promotion they gave him..
You would also think at least one video would have been filmed outdoors to prove he is in Ukraine after his alleged abduction, but just goes to show, it’s not just MSM viewers who will blindly believe anything that aligns with their beliefs… anyway, worse people in the world pile the hate on, just been wary of him from day 1 i guess.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 2 2022 14:18 utc | 238

There is a claim that the New York Fed holds 38% of all US Treasury bonds, 10 -30 yr duration. If this is true, it shows how serious the US money printing has become. This is a fight to the death and Russia has no such problem with debt such as this.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 2 2022 14:19 utc | 239

Of course Chinese learning Russian is almost non-exsistant. Learning English remains the primary teaching objective in The PRC.
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED530281.pdf
Being a product of Stalinist education Putin has no problems with obliterating the Russian nation to remake it into an Asian nation.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 2 2022 14:19 utc | 240

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:20 utc | 217
“There is also very little doubt that Russian farmers are making use of cheap Russian and Belarussian N and P fertilizers.”
Thanks for the correction of my sloppy reading.
Pity.
I read years ago that South Korea was going full organic and then believe that turned out not to be true as well but I believe they did switch to mainly bokashi-style (on-site fermented) fertilizers instead of commercially made inputs. Russia should consider the same thing: far cheaper and much more effective both in terms of crop yields and long-term soil vitality.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 14:21 utc | 241

c1ue@225
As to the merits of the article in question if it draws attention to the enormous prize, in terms of fertile and accessible land, at stake my purpose is served. As to ‘Roundup Ready’ agriculture, between the herbicide, the ban on seed saving and the patented seeds it is far from cheap. In terms of the damage the herbicide does it is extremely expensive.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2022 14:32 utc | 242

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:42 utc | 225
It is perfectly possible for a farmer to be farming organically without having a certification program monitored by the government. The very fact that Putin has eliminated GM from agriculture means the soil escapes the heavy use of pesticides that plagues all GM crops on large swathes of land in the US.
Organic farming has been advocated since the 60’s and well before – it does not preclude the use of natural mineral supplements, which organic farmers include in balanced formulas according to the soil they are working with. On a miniature scale I use green sand, rock phosphate, bone meal, wood ashes, sand plus a small amount* of a liquid soil acidifier with iron that contains zinc, magnesium, copper, sulfur — because my base soil is naturally alkaline. Plus as much composted material as my household can produce. The Rodale Encyclopedia (I’m sure updated since I got mine in the ’70’s) lists multiple recipes for natural fertilizers. Very neat stuff.
I use no pesticides and definitely NO glyphosate. To me, that plus no chemical fertilizers makes what I do organic.
* on a ‘medicinal’ basis only – if a shrub or tree is not thriving. The rule is: put back into the soil what plants, heavy rain, erosion take out of it. The soil is alive; feed the life; don’t kill it. (Works for human populations also.)

Posted by: juliania | Jun 2 2022 14:34 utc | 243

Current events are highly reminiscent of late eastern front WWII.
You have a drug crazed “leader” issuing irrational and self-destructive military orders; a propaganda mill churning out lies and hopium; a military whose best troops have been decimated (at least) and is relying on volkssturm to fill gaps; mixed kampfgruppe deployed in place of coherent units; troop concentrations hopelessly encircled; a trickle of complicated heavy weapons to replace massive amounts destroyed; complete loss of air support; expensive underperforming wunderwaffe; and a rapidly failing logistics chain.

Posted by: Trisha | Jun 2 2022 14:34 utc | 244

Wobblie@238
The racism underlying your comments, like that expressed in the NATO expansion is becoming increasingly obvious.
As to Putin’s education he was born less than a year before Stalin’s death. His education will have begun under the Ukrainian Krushchev’s period in power.
No doubt, in its crusade to prevent the outbreak of peace and harmony, the US will promote the idea that Russians risk losing their pale skin pigmentation if they ally themselves to closely with asians. And the campaign will continue to attract ignorant racists, such as the famous novichok martyr Navalny, and yourself with your fixation on race, It is unlikely to prevail and deliver Russia into the hands of Wall St and Brussels.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2022 14:41 utc | 245

What if this campaign turns out to be modeled by the US on the Korean War.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2022 20:53 utc | 78
Posted by: Olivier | Jun 2 2022 12:48 utc | 210
The prompt is awkwardly written. I dare say, the analogy that bevin is reaching for is mission statements of the several belligerants which descended into civil war in the pennisula, where US-Allied defeat of imperial Japan had created a power vacuum.
Similarly, devolution of the USSR created a power vacuum in the Ukraine (1991), which fomented ideological antipathy between communist and capitalist citizens within the nation. (to clarify the analogy, eliminate the array “ethnic,” or cosmopolitan, identities consituting UA’s historical polity that presently confuse manifold UA political realignments; political organization divines resource allocation.)
Armicist Agreement (signed 1953) identifies the belligerants: The Commander-in-Chief (Truman, USA), the UN Command (Clark, USA) “on the one hand, and” the supreme commander of the Korea People’s Army (KPA, 1948), the commander of the Chinese People’s Volunteers (PVA 1950) “on the other hand”
On the one hand, the US mission was and remains annihilation of communist ideology wherever it is expressed on the planet; secondarily, beachhead on China’s border. On other hand, communist allies’ (+USSR on DL) mission was national unification, ie. de-colonization, “territorial integrity,” and “self-determination”. The armicist (truce) is not a definitive end to either hostilities or loss of life, as neither “hand” unified the peoples of Korea much less declared victory; rather, parties capitulated to a “demilitarized zone” guarded by US mil occupation and reconstruction of, ahem, The South.
For an instant, DPRK and ROK signed a peace agreement (2018) without 1953 armicist “guarantors” interference until a change in US commander-in-chief (2020) “emboldened”, as they say, election of revachists of the ROK (2021). Scant months into first term, Yoon has officially declared DPRK, enemy of the state (30 May 2022).

S. Korea refers to N. Korean military as ‘our enemy’ in troop education materials
SEOUL — South Korea’s defense ministry has distributed troop education materials that refer to North Korea’s military and its regime as “our enemy,” officials said Monday, in a reflection of the conservative Yoon Suk-yeol administration’s tough security stance.

Similarly constructed, the predictable result of allied post-colonial “military operations” on Ukraine’s civil war is joint mil occupation along the line of a demilitarized zone and competitive reconstruction of the severed, surviving states.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 2 2022 14:50 utc | 246

c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:20 utc | 217
True: Russian agriculture is NOT USDA “Organic”.
As you say…
“Among other things, there is no certification of “organic” in Russia like the USDA does in the US.”
Are you suggesting that is a negative?
When big AG (in close partnership with big pharma) in the US saw the money people were willing to pay for something labeled “Organic” they insinuated themselves into the USDA standards setting processes and have subverted the “regulatory agency, as has happened with every other intended to be regulatory bureaucracy in the US, to being another corporate “capture”. The standards, the inspections and the certification processes have been set to favor themselves over the largely much smaller operations practicing sustainable agriculture, focusing on growing the soil first and keeping artificial petrochemicals out of the supply chain, the atmosphere and the soil. The “certification” process became too costly for all but the very largest of operations and remains so.
Buy Fresh, Buy Local (know your farms and farmers and with what and how they farm) has become much more pertinent and meaningful for those who want to better eliminate the additive/toxins that saturate our food supplies and are favored and used by the Big Guys. Those were the original points of “organic farming” back in the day…
Natural soil balancing additives such as rock phosphate, Potassium, and gypsum, etc. (mined minerals) are used in soil building and nurturing the soil biosphere practices. Nitrogen in the form of Urea and Ammonium nitrate aren’t petrochemicals.
Lead arsenate, glyphosate, and patent based gmo bred seeds to be tolerant for the poisons that kill off many of the elements of the symbiotic biosphere are NOT part of Russian Agricultural practices, though, to the best of my knowledge; even without the USDA labels.
Anyway, bevin’s 243 is right on! As is Juliania at 244…

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Jun 2 2022 15:08 utc | 247

I’ll just add to the overarching theme here(from my own memory so it won’t be completely accurate) a poem I learned in primary school in New Zealand:
In Flanders Field the poppies grow
Amidst the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place…
…And in the sky
The birds still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below
We are the dead
Short days ago
We lived, saw sun, felt breezes blow
Loved, and were loved –
But now we lie
In Flanders Fields.
There’s probably a more accurate version, and I don’t remember who wrote it, but it is like everything longlastingly organic, ‘close enough for folk music’ as we used to say back in the day when we tuned our guitars.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 2 2022 15:29 utc | 248

Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2022 14:41 utc | 246
“and yourself with your fixation on race, It is unlikely to prevail and deliver Russia into the hands of Wall St and Brussels.”
(speculating again as usual!) : my guess is that over 90% of people who write racist stuff do so to inflame. True racism is rare.
Classism on the other hand (which comes in far more shapes and sizes than classic Marxist descriptions for both good and bad reasons) is widespread and often mistaken for racism…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 15:43 utc | 249

@ sln2002 247
On the one hand, the US mission was and remains annihilation of communist ideology wherever it is expressed on the planet
Except of course Vietnam. The government which whupped the mighty US Army fifty years ago has been best buddies with the US.
Regarding the US agreements with DPRK, there are also The Agreed Framework of 1994 and the Singapore joint statement of complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula in 2018. Both of these agreements (of course) are in the waste basket (trash bin).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 2 2022 15:43 utc | 250

@ 8
Pretty sure Bush was strictly flying on cocaine while he was AWOL, according to my own research on the subject.

Posted by: nwwoods | Jun 2 2022 15:52 utc | 251

There’s probably a more accurate version, and I don’t remember who wrote it, but it is like everything long-lastingly organic, ‘close enough for folk music’ as we used to say back in the day when we tuned our guitars.
Posted by: juliania | Jun 2 2022 15:29 utc | 249
Here’s the full poem:
“In Flanders Fields
BY JOHN MCCRAE
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.”
It is hauntingly beautiful and the last line exorts the readers to ‘take up our quarrel’ and keep faith with those who gave their lives for them. Very moving to this day.
But also very different from the Dulce et Decorum poem which ends:
“If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.”
I chose that latter one earlier because what’s happening in Donbass is surreal. Of course all war is surreal because all life-and-death moments are surreal because reality itself is surreal(!). But I think viz the US-Z leadership sending all those men into the front to be killed by far superior Russian artillery, dying without ever even glimpsing the enemy, well it’s a very sad, as well as surreal, thing and I thought the second poem captured that better than the Flanders field one which is an old personal favorite.
I grew up with people in England whose lives were forever changed by the first war in the trenches. Nearly all that generation remained loyal to the Empire, King and Country to the end as did their brothers in arms who died on those faraway foreign fields in France. But to me what has always been most poignant is that along with honouring their service and sacrifice we must also be aware that it was not truly necessary, that without evil elites driving upper level policy and strategy not a single one of those young men from all over the world needed to have cut short their lives. Their sacrifice is noble and echoes to this day, and indeed many of the same frictions are re-arising in the current crisis, but it is all the more sad and tragic that it was prompted by wicked men for wicked reasons.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 15:58 utc | 252

@Et Tu | Jun 2 2022 13:44 utc | 229

I’m getting tired of serial rambler/opportunist Gonzalo Lira getting way more airplay than he deserves, including here on MoA.

If you feel that strongly, why are you giving him more airplay here on MoA? If you don’t like what he says, don’t watch or provide some actual counter arguments. You provided zero valid arguments in your post.
We will make our own assessment.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2022 16:01 utc | 253

@c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:57 utc | 234

Lira, on the other hand, is either deliberately or subconsciously trying to build up himself as the end-all, be-all expert on Ukraine when he is manifestly not.

This is nonsense. He provides opinion and analysis.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2022 16:04 utc | 254

Lira, on the other hand, is either deliberately or subconsciously trying to build up himself as the end-all, be-all expert on Ukraine when he is manifestly not.
Posted by: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 13:57 utc | 234
Cmon guys, Gonzalo is funny

Posted by: Milos | Jun 2 2022 16:18 utc | 255

Posted by: Lex | Jun 1 2022 19:19 utc | 48
What about the enormous cost to the Russians?

Posted by: Lbanu | Jun 2 2022 16:33 utc | 256

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 2 2022 14:19 utc | 241

Of course Chinese learning Russian is almost non-exsistant. Learning English remains the primary teaching objective in The PRC.
https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED530281.pdf
Being a product of Stalinist education Putin has no problems with obliterating the Russian nation to remake it into an Asian nation.

You are clueless, a liar, or a troll. Your propaganda stinks like the Adrian Zenz and WACL Nazi shit.
The article from 2012 you name, in the hope nobody will read it being a tl:dr idiot like you does not deal with recent (at that time) Chinese foreign language education beyond that acquisition of English was and is widely pursued and supported by the authorities, and is the main foreign language acquired by almost every Chinese to some extent. It deals with the relation of Hanyu, English, and minority languages. The article also stresses that from 1949 to 1964, Russian was the only foreign language taught in all Chinese schools, and despite worsening relations, was never fully abandoned.
All the time there have been tens of millions of Chinese students of other foreign languages. German ranked, if I recall correctly, place four behind English (of course), Russian, and Spanish, followed by French (then Arabic and others). When I visited China first, and did not understand much beyong ni hao, Russian was a way to communicate.
As Russia is wildly popular in China nowadays, it is fairly likely that interest for the Russian language will receive a further boost.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 2 2022 16:54 utc | 257

@Don Bacon | Jun 2 2022 15:43 utc | 251
The relationship in the US-Vietnam-China triangle is bit more complicated. I doubt a lot that Vietnam has forgotten Kissinger’s word about being an opponent versus a friend of the US. Mind that Russia still plays a major, and rising role for Vietnam.
The Vietnam-China relationship is still poisoned by the 1979 war, the gravest and maybe the only major mistake Deng Xiaoping made, and the conflict over SCS. Vietnam snubbed US attempts to let them take sides though.
Imho Vietnam (Philippines too) and China may find some formula of a SCS accord, and further reconciliation in the future. Russia may play a role in that. What is certain is that the US have no place and no role in that area.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 2 2022 17:11 utc | 258

Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2022 20:53 utc | 78
Posted by: Olivier | Jun 2 2022 12:48 utc | 210

What if this campaign turns out to be modeled by the US on the Korean War.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 2 2022 14:50 utc | 247

The prompt is awkwardly written. I dare say, the analogy that bevin is reaching for is mission statements of the several belligerants which descended into civil war in the pennisula, where US-Allied defeat of imperial Japan had created a power vacuum.

From what I’ve read, the Korean War was largely choreographed by the UN. In that case, comparing it with Russia’s SMO would seem apt only if the latter were also being managed on both sides at a broader level (say, by the Bilderbergers or the UN). Do you sense that this is true?

Posted by: David Levin | Jun 2 2022 18:14 utc | 259

re: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 14:00 utc | 235
from the Forbes article
“…That’s when Russian battalions crossed the border and laid siege to Ilovaisk. “Many Ukrainian soldiers reported hearing the distinctive buzz of Russian drones prior to the deluge of rocket and artillery fire—an indicator of Russia’s emerging tactic of using drones, linked directly to battalion tactical groups, to facilitate indirect fire,” Amos Fox explained in a 2017 study for West Point’s Modern War Institute.
The worst was yet to come. The Russians offered the defeated Ukrainian troops safe passage out of Ilovaisk, only to rain artillery on them as they fled. As many as a thousand Ukrainians died—the most of any single battle in the eight-year war. ..”
Was this true?
here’s the full article so people need not link to it.
Russian Artillery Can Lob Shells At Ukrainian Troops With 10 Seconds’ Notice
David Axe
Forbes
Most people have it all wrong. Visions of Russian tanks rolling across snowy Ukrainian fields, heralding a wider and surely much bloodier phase of the eight-year-old war in Ukraine, are fantasy.
It’s the artillery that will signal the escalation. Hundreds of big guns and rocket launchers spread across scores of semi-independent Russian army battalion tactical groups, each a thousand men strong.
In Russian doctrine, artillery—not tanks or infantry—is the decisive force. The other combat arms exist to position the artillery for the most devastating barrages, and to exploit the holes the guns smash in enemy defenses.
While the Russian army embeds tube and rocket artillery in front-line units up and down the force—from battalion to brigade to division to army—it’s the battalion-level guns that are closest to the front, and arguably the most dangerous to Ukraine’s own troops.
Artillery in the BTG has the effect of “providing maximum responsiveness when short windows of opportunity present themselves,” Col. Liam Collins and Capt. Harrison Morgan wrote in an article for the Association of the U.S. Army.
Each BTG normally has 18 tracked howitzers. This is unusual. The U.S. Army, for instance, generally keeps its guns at the brigade level.
The advantage, for the Americans, is concentration and central control. A brigade can move the artillery around to support the battalions and companies that need it the most.
The advantage, for the Russians, is speed. A Russian battalion commander doesn’t have to ask brigade for fire support. He’s got his own. And it’s right there, just behind the lines of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.
What’s more, after years of intensive modernization, the BTG also has access to prompt targeting data from drones.
The combination of fires-first doctrine, battalion-level guns and readily available aerial surveillance is a potent one. The Ukrainians have learned this the hard, more than once.
At dawn on the morning of July 11, 2014, the Ukrainian 24th and 72nd Mechanized Brigades and 79th Airmobile Brigade assembled near the village of Zelenopillya in advance of a planned attack on Russian-backed separatist forces in Luhansk.
Russian drones spotted them. The Ukrainians shot down one of the robots but others took its place. Russian radio-jammers scrambled the communications between the brigades and their headquarters, paralyzing them at a critical moment.
Rocket artillery, presumably fired by Russian launchers just across the border, rained on the tents and idling vehicles. At least 19 Ukrainians died. Another hundred or so were wounded. A whole battalion of vehicles—50 or so—was wiped out. Kiev called off the attack.
A month later, the Ukrainian army again attacked eastward, this time aiming to sever the supply lines between separatists in Luhansk and their allies in neighboring Donetsk. The Ukrainians succeeded in liberating the town of Ilovaisk. Victory was in sight.
That’s when Russian battalions crossed the border and laid siege to Ilovaisk. “Many Ukrainian soldiers reported hearing the distinctive buzz of Russian drones prior to the deluge of rocket and artillery fire—an indicator of Russia’s emerging tactic of using drones, linked directly to battalion tactical groups, to facilitate indirect fire,” Amos Fox explained in a 2017 study for West Point’s Modern War Institute.
The worst was yet to come. The Russians offered the defeated Ukrainian troops safe passage out of Ilovaisk, only to rain artillery on them a
s they fled. As many as a thousand Ukrainians died—the most of any single battle in the eight-year war.
The Russians had tested out their latest “reconnaissance fire complex,” and now were ready to expand it. Today there are between 50 and 70 Russian BTGs on the Russia-Ukraine border, ready to roll into Ukraine on short notice.
Each has an artillery component. Three batteries each with six 2S19 152-millimeter self-propelled howitzers. The batteries trail behind the tank and infantry companies, each with a junior officer in charge, safe under armor in his own 1V13 fire-control vehicle.
The battalion artillery officer and the battery commanders stay beside the BTG commander, each officer riding in a 1V14, 1V15 or 1V16 command vehicle. A PRP-4A radar vehicle travels along with the battalion, scanning for enemy forces.
To complement the radar vehicle, the brigade has its own SNAR-10 and Zoopark-1 radar vehicles—and also can send out Orlon-10 and Forpost drones. The brigade feeds target coordinates to the battalion, which passes them—along with any targets it acquires on its own—through the battery commanders to the junior officers accompanying the guns.
The key is that the battalion benefits from the brigade but does not need it. And the battalion certainly doesn’t need any echelon above brigade for fires. The battalion is just a few miles from the enemy. The brigade is much farther away. Division- and army-level guns and rockets would be farther away, still.
That close integration of tanks, infantry and artillery allows the guns to shoot fast at enemy troops that might break cover for less than a minute at a time.
That’s all the time Russian gunners need. “Today the cycle [from reconnaissance to engagement] takes literally 10 seconds,” said Maj. Gen. Vadim Marusin, deputy chief of staff of Russia’s ground forces.

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 2 2022 18:38 utc | 260

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 2 2022 18:38 utc | 261
Thanks, helpful. I suspect that at some point the Ukie forces are going to buckle and then suddenly break down at which point we might see surprisingly fast moves by RF as a significant momentum shift heralds the beginning of Phase Three which will be the complete dismantling and elimination of Ukraine as a nation state and potential member of NATO – ‘that’ll larn ’em!’
Phase Four might be the demilitarization and denazification of Poland starting with their new military barracks near Lviv…..

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 2 2022 18:59 utc | 261

@43: “But the ammunition rate expenditure by the Russians must be phenomenal.
How the heck did they have those enormous quantities stockpiled?”
Maybe they’re buying from the Ukie commanders the otherwise unaccounted-for munitions sent by the Western countries.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Jun 2 2022 19:02 utc | 262

America leading the Collective Waste has had the same MO in every invasion they have conducted regularly even through the Cold War as they did with extra impunity since ‘winning’ that Cold War.
Invade for whatever reason. Have a foe who has been pushed into a war or create one to pretend to fight. Dispossess the local population of their land and resources killing as many as required to steal from them. Use up a lot of MIC product as possible so it all has to be replaced for guaranteed future years.
It does not matter that there isn’t some ideological victory. Just plenty of booty. It doesn’t matter in Korea and it didn’t in Iraq, Libya and Syria.
They didn’t get their plans in Iran and have been foiled in EurAsia.
Ukraine is their latest and hopefully last invasion.
The Collective Waste is doing there exactly what they have done everywhere else.
The massacre of Ukrainians- especially these who are forcefully enrolled and fed into the mincer is exactly to achieve the same ends as usual. And the Ukrainians, like the proxy Koreans , South Vietnamese etc are fooled into their own self destruction.
However it may be only their own weapons they’ll be replacing this time any independent nation will obviously prefer Russian weapons after the current showing.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 2 2022 20:05 utc | 263

Posted by: bevin | Jun 2 2022 13:33 utc | 225
I think that you are confusing the Russians in Ukraine with the Americans in Korea.
Yes, right, but the sentence I quoted:
What if this campaign turns out to be modeled by the US on the Korean War.
can be understood as the *Russian* modeling their campaign on what the yankees did in Korea, and by the fact that a direct military intervention by
the yankees in Ukraine like in Korea would:
1) be condemned worldwide ;
2) trigger a nuclear war.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 2 2022 20:11 utc | 264

@ Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2022 16:01 utc | 254
Amber Heard got a lot of airplay recently too, though few would claim it was to her benefit.
As for your ‘arguments’ proposition, no one ever questioned anyone’s arguments.
Most intelligent readers would understand, the issue i raised related to ethics.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 2 2022 20:54 utc | 265

Zelensky’s wife says her nine-year-old son gives military advice to his father
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 2 2022 4:33 utc | 174
Alas, the dad does not listen, so things go pear shaped (a British expression, I guess they prefer the shapes of an apple, hourglass or a twig, with pears being the least preferred).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 3 2022 0:40 utc | 266

(“go forth and multiply” on a finite planet was poor advice). Posted by: Seer | Jun 2 2022 4:16 utc | 171
I would say “became a poor advice”. Back in the day, the combination of war, periodic famines and epidemic kept ecological balance. That said, perhaps the good old order is being restored even as we chat here: wars, check, epidemics, check, and if everything goes according to the plan, famines.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 3 2022 0:44 utc | 267

The relationship in the US-Vietnam-China triangle is bit more complicated.
Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 2 2022 17:11 utc | 259
One should also mention Russia and India. There exists conflicts that are hard to resolve, and in case of Vietnam and India, there is a need to balance strategically in respect to China. The options are military cooperation — weapons, weapon technology — from the West or from Russia. Russia has several advantages that play in different proportion in respect to India and Vietnam:
price
readiness to share the technology and local production
value as a mediator with China
Because Russia has good relations with China while simultaneously genuinely interested in maintaining “important partners”, it has more ability and aptitude to resolve conflicts with China. In the case of India, territorial claims cross the natural border, the crest of Karakoram and Himalayas, but de-facto control sticks very closely to it, with micro-conflict arising in spots where the natural border is less clear, e.g. some rivers cross the mountain crest. In the case of Vietnam, these are some un-inhabited islands with fishing and hydrocarbon potential.
The value of USA as a mediator seems zilch or worse, hard to show a positive case even when both sides in a conflict are USA allies.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 3 2022 13:30 utc | 268

@ Posted by: tucenz | Jun 2 2022 18:38 utc | 261
re: c1ue | Jun 2 2022 14:00 utc | 235
from the Forbes article:
“The worst was yet to come. The Russians offered the defeated Ukrainian troops safe passage out of Ilovaisk, only to rain artillery on them as they fled. As many as a thousand Ukrainians died—the most of any single battle in the eight-year war.”
What I understood concerning the”Ukrainian troops safe passage out of Ilovaisk” was that it was on the condition of leaving their heavy weapons behind. Like they also applied numerous times in Syria. I’m not sure if the Ukrainian command honestly relayed the terms of the safe passage offer.
Maybe they didn’t think the material loss was acceptable and they made the decision to retrieve as much as possible, accepting the risk/losses. Or just miscommunication. Or the Russians set them up to make an example out of them.

Posted by: GoverntheMente | Jun 5 2022 3:17 utc | 269