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June 22, 2022

The Neocon's Dream - Decolonize Russia, Re-colonize China

On March 26 U.S. President Joe Biden called for regime change in Russia:

Speaking in Warsaw, Poland, on Saturday, President Biden said of Russian President Vladimir Putin: "For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power."

The White House immediately rushed to talk back that call for regime change and a day later Biden himself denied that he was calling for regime change:

President Joe Biden told reporters on Sunday he was not calling for a regime change in Russia when he said a day earlier that Russian President Vladimir Putin “cannot remain in power,” a surprising comment the White House quickly tried to walk back Saturday.

When a reporter asked if he was calling for Putin’s removal from office, Biden replied “no” as he walked out of church Sunday afternoon, according to Bloomberg pool reporter Courtney Rozen.

However, other parts of the U.S. government makes unmistakeably clear that its aims in Russia go even much than regime change. Tomorrow the US Government's Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) will hold a briefing on the "Moral and Strategic Imperative" that makes it necessary to "Decolonize Russia".


As Nicolo Saldo points out:

What is notable about this panel is the shift from “spreading freedom and democracy” to the need to “decolonize” Russia.

The neo-conservatives are back using a new narrative to push their old agenda.

Russian officials will love such talk:

Today’s panel is a further step forward in that it tells ordinary Russians that even regime change and democracy is not good enough for them. They require the partition of their country into smaller (more easily controlled) polities, so that they can be free. Needless to say, this is a propaganda coup for Putin and the Kremlin as it allows them to paint the conflict in Ukraine as an existential fight.

The Kremlin has no need to 'paint' the conflict as an existential fight. The Russians know that it is such a fight.

Biden's haplessness continues to tank the Democrats chances to keep house majority.

In a meager attempt to tackle the high fuel price he will today call on Congress to suspend the tax on fuel for three month. It is just a gimmick which would have little effect at the pump and has no chance to pass Congress:

GOP lawmakers have been hammering Biden and Democrats on the campaign trail over inflation and fuel prices. They argue that such measures are political theater that will do little to make long-term dents in oil prices. The best way to reduce oil prices, they say, is to loosen regulations and increase U.S. oil production.
California had the highest average gas price of any state at $6.398 per gallon. The gas tax suspension would reduce the cost of a gallon of diesel fuel by 24 cents.

The real reason for high fuel prices is Biden's misguided foreign policy. Three of the biggest oil producers on the globe, Venezuela, Iran and Russia, are under U.S. sanctions that limit their oil exports:

The sanctions have made it more difficult for Russia to sell its oil. Biden has also banned the import of Russian oil, and last month Europe announced it was imposing a partial embargo on it.

As of 2020, Russia was the world’s third-largest producer of petroleum, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

As the New York Times correctly headlines:

Western Move to Choke Russia’s Oil Exports Boomerangs, for Now

That move will continue to boomerang. Russia sells it oil to China and India where it gets refined. The resulting gasoline and diesel is then exported to the U.S.. That is good for India and China as they buy the oil with a rebate and sell the end products with a substantial margin. It is a 'win' 'win' 'win' for Russia, India and China with the sole loser being the 'west'. Whatever NYT hope of sanction success is expressed in its 'for now' addition to the headline is not going to change that.

Meanwhile Russia is announcing the next target of its campaign to counter 'western' misbehavior - the reserve status of the U.S. dollar and the Euro:

MOSCOW, June 22. /TASS/. The issue of creating an international reserve currency based on currencies of BRICS member-states is under consideration, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday in the welcome address to BRICS Business Forum participants.

"The matter of creating the international reserve currency based on the basket of currencies of our countries is under review," the Russian leader said.

BRICS currently consists of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. Together those countries represent 3.2 billion people and a third of the world's purchase power GDP. The new international reserve currency would therefore have a much larger backing than the U.S. dollar or the Euro.

The U.S. is moving too but in the wrong direction.

Some in the Biden administration are pushing to lower Trump era tariffs on Chinese goods. M.K.Bhadrakumar interprets that as an attempt of a new détente with China. I doubt that lowering the tariffs would have much effect on prices in the U.S. as a new law that became applicable yesterday will raise prices of goods from China even more. The U.S. is slowly waking up to the consequences of such stupidity:

The Biden administration has said it intends to fully enforce the law, which could lead the U.S. authorities to detain or turn away a significant number of imported products. Such a scenario is likely to cause headaches for companies and sow further supply chain disruptions. It could also fuel inflation, which is already running at a four-decade high, if companies are forced to seek out more expensive alternatives or consumers start to compete for scarce products.

Failure to fully enforce the law is likely to prompt an outcry from Congress, which is in charge of oversight.

“The public is not prepared for what’s going to happen,” said Alan Bersin, a former commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection who is now the executive chairman at Altana AI. “The impact of this on the global economy, and on the U.S. economy, is measured in the many billions of dollars, not in the millions of dollars.”

As Bhadrakumar acidly comments:

When Russia attacked Ukraine and the West imposed sanctions against Moscow, Washington threatened China that any move on its part to help Russia circumvent the sanctions would trigger severe punishment. Now the wheel has come full circle and the US needs China’s helping hand to salvage its economy. This is Thucydides Trap turned upside down — an emerging power rescuing an entrenched great power, whose extravagance pauperised it.

I doubt that. Tariffs or no tariffs China will not help the U.S. in anything. It knows that the U.S-Russian proxy war is about much more than Ukraine.

The current U.S. aim may well be to decolonize Russia, but its real geopolitical aim is a re-colonization of China.

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re: Biden
He has an earned reputation of being ditsy, it's nothing new. Recall when General McChrystal made fun of him, and got fired.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 22 2022 22:52 utc | 101

@Nico, @DonBacon, @bevin

thanks for clarifying. Explaining 'colonization' as breaking up into different segments etc. makes sense but I assumed something else was meant and couldn't figure out what.

I find the whole thing very strange. Russia has a smaller population (though still well over 100 million, no?) but 11 time zones. Eleven! And China has 1.5 billion people. One and a half billion!

I have lost the ability at this point to even begin to comprehend this relentless drive to meddle, to bully, to interfere, to spread hostility and anxiety with respite. My best explanation is that it is the product of a certain type of mentality and this sort of thing is what that sort of mentality does. They cannot help themselves for it is their nature. And because it is their nature they cannot stop. But from my personal point of view the whole thing is beyond absurd, beyond immoral, beyond harmful, it's just too much because it's entirely unrealistic.

I don't understand enough about how things really work to truly understand why it is that Eurasia is still controlled by the USD hegemony. They were complaining about it at the recent BRIC conference. I do not know why it is so hard and takes so long to set up a different system. No doubt there are reasons but they are beyond my pay grade. I would have thought that with computers and blockchain and so forth they could create a new digital currency whose value is pegged to X currencies and commodities or whatever and then just use it in transactions and throw the whole thing together in a few months, but clearly there is a lot more to it than that.

In any case, this idea that the West can colonize or recolonize Russia and China strikes me a bit like a dog trying to dominate an elephant. If the elephant chooses to heed the dog's bark, I suppose the dog can herd it into a corner; but if the elephant realizes that the dog is far too puny to do him any harm and doesn't pay him any mind.....

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 22 2022 22:58 utc | 102

After reading today's speeches by Xi and Putin I have a clearer understanding of how they fit together, how their working relationship on the global stage is somewhat like Yin/Yang as they're complementary. Xi tends to focus more on Big Picture issues and trends while Putin more on the implementation aspects of those issues and trends. But there are other voices/actors in our ongoing drama that we need to hear from also. I again provide the following link that Pepe Escobar included in his Cradle essay, "Building the "New Three Rings": China's choice in the face of possible complete decoupling". Contrary to the title, the essay begins with Russia and its relationship to the Outlaw US Empire and its globalization project (or Neoliberalization Project, which IMO is the better term) because the current conflict has caused that project to be halted, incomplete, which in turn has affected China:

"The 'end of globalization' has left China without the external development environment it has had for the past four decades, and the U.S. push to rebuild its dominant international system and 'decouple' from China and Russia is likely to intensify in the future."

But as we're seeing, the Outlaw US Empire's efforts to rebuild and decouple are failing very badly and its internal economy is in deep trouble due to its own actions. There's much more the essay forces the reader to contemplate as it makes suggestions on the path to follow.

Part of the exuberance we're seeing from developing nations is based on the fact that for the first time ever they see the great possibility emerging that they can accomplish a coup for themselves by transforming the world system--fueling the paradigm change--into one where they can finally benefit. Newer EU nations who have discovered they were admitted only to be double-crossed and exploited, Bulgaria being the most recent example, also see the same possibility and no longer have any incentive to remain a colony within a larger colony when they can benefit from the new dynamism. What we now see arising was anticipated by Russia which is why it kept its energy flows open and only allowed EU nations to harm themselves.

Come Monday, the results of the BRICS Summit will be known and more will be said about it and the plans it made. What is being proven is the fact that the Outlaw US Empire has lost its Information War as its own citizens have joined the world in rejecting the narrative they're supposed to swallow. And now the Blowback has come and is sure to escalate at the SMO's four month mark. What will end up being decolonized is the EU and its NATO enforcer decommissioned.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 22 2022 23:01 utc | 103

Bobolinski | Jun 22 2022 22:42 utc | 98
the stakes are high? for who? for people trying to make their careers at the pinnacles of US power?

shouldn't you be angling for a spot as campaign manager for "Marjorie taylor green, princess of space"? doesn't Louis Gohmert need someone to remind him to "aim away from face" and his security staff to "aim away from boss"? you sound qualified. he or they could at least offer you an unpaid internship. i'd not pay you to intern there.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 22 2022 23:04 utc | 104


The stakes are the continuity of the war in Ukraine. You haven’t been following the higher level linkage between this regime and the war. The Straussians. They were in power with Obama and out of power with Trump. With the stolen election they regained power. Look up Thierry Meissan for details

Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 22 2022 23:10 utc | 105

A brief history of post 1721 Russia at the Saker blog today:

"On the other hand, the Russian Empire is virtually unknown in the West, as the West still believes its own ignorance and lies about it. After all it was the West which destroyed it, with the help of internal traitors and decadent aristocrats, who cruelly exploited the poor and so guaranteed the fall of the Empire. Unsurprisingly, many of these traitors soon afterwards emigrated to the West, given the disaster that they had created in Russia with Western backing. We will therefore spend some time below disillusioning those who still believe in the racist Western/Soviet propaganda stereotypes of ‘tyrannical Asiatic autocracy’, ‘backward obscurantism’, which kept its people in a state of poverty and ignorance. The condescending West said: ‘If only they had been like us clever Western people, all would have been well’. We will look at these realities (1) firstly because they are so little known and many still actually believe in the myths, and secondly because the positive aspects of the pre-Revolutionary Empire are at the heart of the USSR and will also be at the heart of today’s Third Incarnation (see further). Below we look at the real Russian Empire."

Have been waiting for a brief overview like this for a while...

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 22 2022 23:13 utc | 106

goldhoarder #2

Large container parks popping up.

I doubt the USA has solved its antiquated shipping container handling fiasco. Check that first. It may be the great reject well before the great reset.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 23:14 utc | 107

Bobolinski | Jun 22 2022 23:10 utc | 104
imagine what trump might have done if the JEWS had been out of power. oh wait. straussian=jew, right?

it must have taken a long time for the word "straussian" to cross the empty space between your ears. and it got lost in the journey, somehow, in that hermetically sealed fortress of solipsism, becoming translated as "jew".

i've got a moel whose shears have your name on it. the name being, "uncircumcised philistine dog."

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 22 2022 23:18 utc | 108

Sorry, selected the wrong paragraph. This is the one I thought might whet peoples' whistle:

"The Economy

In the 20 years before 1917 the population of the Empire increased by 62 million, some 50%. It was a time when industrialisation and modernisation accelerated very sharply. National income and productivity increased at a rate unrivalled anywhere else in the world and the budget increased threefold. Personal taxation in the Russian Empire was half the level of that in France and Germany and a quarter of that in Great Britain.

Average earnings were higher than those in any Western European country, less only than those in the USA. Prices were among the lowest in the world and inflation and unemployment were practically non-existent. Thanks to the monetary reform that the Tsar personally insisted on carrying out in 1897, the rouble was guaranteed by gold. The Empire had the largest gold reserves in the world and the Russian gold rouble remains one of the safest investments in the world.

Between 1890 and 1913 GNP increased fourfold. There was a fourfold increase in the extraction of coal and the production of cast iron, and a fivefold increase in that of copper. Between 1911 and 1914 investment in engineering increased by 80% and electrification had begun in many cities. In 1901 the USA extracted 9.9 million tons of oil, Russia 12.1 million tons. Between 1908 and 1913 productivity surpassed that of the USA, Great Britain and Germany. The Empire was the biggest exporter of textiles and one of the biggest of metals and engineering. Russia was on course to becoming the leading world economy by 1950, surpassing both Europe and the USA."

I read years ago somewhere that the Russian peasant class had the highest standard of living of any in Europe before the Revolution with the most liberties (differences in rights and roles between villeins, serfs, peasants and more with most being entered into voluntarily - now forgotten) and so forth. In any case, like most great nations and great events there are widely differing historical narratives in play...

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 22 2022 23:18 utc | 109

"decolonization" doesn't even makes sense unless they share the obsession with "retaking crimea" that has kiev making dumbassed moves lately. it's just the same balkanization that brzeziński and his ilk have sought to reduce the size and power of non-aligned countries. basically pretending a massive sovereign state like russia is a "monopoly" that should be broken up. maybe the "balkan-" prefix has too many negative connotations in light of the strategy's abject failures in that region.

as for china, the western colonization attempts have already started with nonsense in hong kong and taiwan while the cultural infiltration goes along its virulent way. material excess and ayn rand outlooks have wormed their way into quite a few (relative) big shots. jack ma's misadventures are a good example of how that usually goes.

Posted by: the pair | Jun 22 2022 23:23 utc | 110

Bobolinski #94

Actually the miserable Nazis excel at hating everybody.

In the crew of oligarchs on this planet every race, creed, culture is assembled they are differentiated only by the means and volume of wealth they accumulated.

99.99% of the humans who suffer under these nazi turds are people of every race, creed, culture on earth.

Picking on one tiny group to make your case converts you into an easily led fool.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 23:24 utc | 111

@bevin #93

In order to put its plans for China's re-colonisation into effect the Empire has to break up its western bulwark the Russian alliance.
Not really, the Empire managed to colonize Ukraine without breaking up Russia, and the desire to break up Russia is a completely separate goal of its own (the goal of the Empire is to exercise completely dominion over the planet and thus all peer and potential competitors need to be weakened and subjugated). This is a more precise way of describing the aspired "unipolarity".
it is the old British imperial way:
Very true, but "Divida et Impera" (divide and rule) was uttered by no less than Julius Ceasar, though surely he was not the first to realize a feuding enemy is easier to defeat than a cohesive, unified one.
rule Palestine by setting the Jewish immigrants against the Arab people...
Jews are incapable of living in peace with anyone, aggression and chauvinism is deeply ingrained in their extremely barbaric and chauvinistic "religion", and even infects the secular culture that flows from it (Zionism, which is inherently chauvinistic and racist and predates the British involvement in Palestinian colonialism, included).
The Nuremberg laws were based on the statutes of the state of Virginia with a bit of South Carolina thrown in.
One could certainly argue that those laws themselves were based on the Old Testament and the abject racism and Jewish supremacism they encompass (never mind the Talmud and the Kabbalah).

Posted by: CalDre | Jun 22 2022 23:25 utc | 112

Don Bacon #100

re: Biden
He has an earned reputation of being ditsy, it's nothing new. Recall when General McChrystal made fun of him, and got fired.

And Michael Hastings, the journalist who reported it in the Rolling Stone magazine was killed. Then the Rolling Stone descended rapidly reaching a point where it fired and censored everything anti $Hillary in her run for president.

Biden is bitter cold war warrior and rabid anti socialist.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 22 2022 23:30 utc | 113


The straussians are followers of Leo Strauss. His thesis is that Jews cannot rely on others to protect their interests but must act forcefully to secure them by any means necessary. He has a large following in the State Dept including, Victoria Nuland, Blinken and Jake Sullivan. These people were involved in the original Maidan color revolution in 2014. When they were installed again in 2021 Vicky went to Moscow and made her demands, war started soon after.
We don’t know what the demand was but a possibility is that it was for space in Ukraine to start Israel 2.0

Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 22 2022 23:31 utc | 114

CalDre | Jun 22 2022 23:25 utc | 111
can someone recommend a website for you and babbleinski to hang out at?

i also hear that country 404 is hiring. you sound degenerate enough to qualify for some denazification.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 22 2022 23:39 utc | 115

The reason we are paying too much for our own gas is that corporations who operate our wells and refineries have been allowed to sell our oil and our refined product to foreign customers before meeting domestic demand, plus just plain old lying through their teeth about the actual cost of production and distribution (price gouging). The whole foreign market thing, in this case, is a shell game. Americans blame their high prices on China, China blames their high prices on America, Europe blames there high prices on Russia... etc... etc... Shell game.

Posted by: Josh | Jun 22 2022 23:45 utc | 116

karlof1 | Jun 22 2022 23:01 utc | 102

Russia China. They have deconflicted their separate strategies. China is a civilization much different to much of the world. Russia - it seems to be able to connect with all cultures.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 22 2022 23:47 utc | 117

The Quad was established several years ago by Japan, and then died for awhile, and recently appeared again -- US,Japan, Australia and also India -- which the US thought would be instrumental in its organized efforts against China. Unfortunately for the US this didn't work out. Despite anything you might read, India has had little military influence plus India is probably the reason why China is never mentioned in Quad news releases. Never. In fact the only joint effort on anything has been on vaccines to be manufactured in India, but that didn't work out. That's a slap in the face to the US who had jumped the gun and renamed its Pacific Command the Indo-Pacific Command.

The US is trying to fix all that by expanding NATO into the Indo-Pacific. The US-occupied Japan and S Korea are of course willing. S Korea will install a mission in Brussels, and both countries will attend the NATO summit next week where for the first time China will be officially named as a NATO enemy. The US might be able to cajole other eastern countries to try some mussels in Brussels (yummy). Coincident with Asian presence at the NATO summit might be, could be, a Russian military success in Donbas. With its short attention span the US may then re-prioritize Indo-Pacific. . .all conjecture. In any case China will be dumped on in any possible way. How dare they do what they do, instead of being weak and submissive?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 22 2022 23:49 utc | 118

@ Don Bacon | Jun 22 2022 23:49 utc | 116 with the geo-political summary

Thanks and I agree that the NATO summit might prove interesting. I had the audacity to write on another thread that the goals of the coming NATO summit should be surrender and a plan for dissolution of NATO. I expect Russia and China will give them reasons to entertain that thought, if only for a second.

The next couple of weeks should be exciting....grin I think we may be in the "and then things happen real fast" stage but even that may seen slow to some of us...grin...unless empire decides its idea of a reset is the nuclear losers option.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2022 0:00 utc | 119

CalDre | Jun 22 2022 23:50 utc | 117
you are running your mouth about hatred of jews.

go blow your brains out CalDre. go fuck yourself. mr free speech.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 23 2022 0:21 utc | 120

Bobolinski | Jun 22 2022 23:31 utc | 113
Straussians are followers of Leo Strauss? i thought maybe straussians like to waltz or something.

who was US prezzy when "straussian" became a thing? it was when cheney was president right? wolfowitz and special plans and all that, iirc?

wrong. "the closing of the american mind" was required reading in that goy william bennett's department of ed (along w/love of endless masterbatory gestures in front of a slot machine, because slots require less commitment and understanding than a prostitute does, and nothing burns afterward except your wallet). all under space cadet ronny raygun, obama's and trump's favorite jelly bean fanatic. (maybe it was earlier, nixon and rumsfeld and some in that lot, i don't care.)

what's the difference between a straussian and a neo-con?

now for the really hard part:

what's the difference between a neo-con and a neo-lib?

i bet the straussians, if any exist, are indifferent to this donkey vs elephant party crap, but it is funny that you associate the straussians w/the democrats. somebody's more brain dead than joe biden is.

don't take the training wheels off your mental tricycle just yet. give it a few more decades.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 23 2022 0:21 utc | 121

What is hypocritical about this 'decolonization' rhetoric is the USSR/Russia did decolonize in the early 1990's when it allowed the reunification of Germany, the Warsaw Pact nations independence, and many of its own Soviet Republics to become independent, including Ukraine. These acts of decolonization have never been voluntarily enacted by capitalist empires.

Germany's Air Force head Ingo Gerhartz has demonstrated allowing the reunification of Germany was mistake.

Posted by: Wilikins | Jun 23 2022 0:25 utc | 122


The Meissan article used the term straussian. I didn’t create it. You are correct about the multi decade residence in the bowels of the state department. As you know I am a MAGA Trump voter not neocon RINO Republican. Trump did not employ these people in his state department upper hierarchy but as we all know now with Vindman etc they were the deep state saboteurs behind the Ukraine call impeachment. So I am not a fan shall we say......

Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 23 2022 0:33 utc | 123

What would happen if China decided to sell its products to the US (at least) only in renminbi and pay for the goods it imports from the US in dollars from the large reserve that they have? Wouldn't it achieve two things:
- Get rid of their worthless Trillionaire dollar reserves while still getting some products for their dollar
- Completely crash the USD?

Apologies for my ignorance, but I cant see the flip side of this ... and should be something quite easy to implement.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: ThinkingTank | Jun 23 2022 0:44 utc | 124

I highly recommend this Glenn Diesen op/ed as it explores the deep dilemma now facing NATO/EU as the reversing narrative has spawned centrifugal forces as predicted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 0:47 utc | 125

Bobolinski | Jun 23 2022 0:33 utc | 122
As you know I am a MAGA Trump voter not neocon RINO Republican.

i totally get it. an imaginary connection w/leo strauss is more significant than an actual connection w/president maga casino, who would lead us to the promised land of all of us defrauding and gaming the US tax code so that, purely nominally, we can all be "billionaires". in the FIRE sector. w/no illegals to cut the lawn.

he would do this, but jews got in the way. jews who run the banking system. by which system president MAGA got rich, even though those clever jew bankers thwarted his noble intent to make us all more maga than ever.

got it. maga loads of retarded bullshit.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 23 2022 0:53 utc | 126

@Tom_Q_Collins #36
I looked into this earlier:

Refineries are never built anywhere close to people - because they blow up regularly. That's why the parts of Houston that host refineries, don't have people and why NIMBY is the least of the issues faced by potential refinery operators.

However, operating a refinery is a very complex, long term investment process. The US federal government has been making refinery operation much more complicated for many years, including:

1) As some people have noticed and talked about, refineries operate on really thin margins. So while you can literally refine crude oil by boiling it over a wood fire, in reality real refineries operate by taking in very specific types of crude mixes and tuning their processes to optimize gasoline, plastics, asphalt and other forms of output from this input mix. The embargo on Venezuela affected refineries long before the Russian oil embargo affected them, for example. Another major impact has been forced ethanol add-ins.

2) Refineries definitely pollute. Getting EPA and other federal certifications for a new refinery is only slightly less difficult than getting permissions for a nuclear power plant.

3) Refineries are the lowest margin part of an oil company's business. It is almost certainly that monopoly/monopsony/oligopoly is playing a part in the US refining industry's lack of excess capacity/resiliency - as it is in other parts of the US economic ecosystem.

4) Now combine all of the above with incessant talk and real subsidies for wind, solar PV, EVs etc plus ESG impact on the finance side. Why again would any semi-business savvy executive want to build a refinery?

As for limousine liberals: the term was not invented by me.

It references people who profess "liberal" ideals but are rich and simply don't share the economic problems and interests of the "common man". Ivory tower professors including highly paid climate researchers, activists in NGOs who are paid literally $200K salaries, professional politicians who ride around in literal limos, lawyers who make a lot of money nuisance suing and lawfaring against various "bad" industries, there are a whole lot of people this description applies to - and it particularly applies to wealthy upper middle and upper class types in general who consume far more than "the common man" yet profess their love for the planet and environment by donating 0.5% of their considerable income.

Read up on Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberal" to get an idea of the limousine liberal and its place in modern democracy.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 23 2022 0:54 utc | 127

@ThinkingTank #123
When your opponent is literally selling you the rope to hang him with, why would you change the game?
The BRI has been characterized as a way for China to convert excess dollars from its trade surplus with the US, into commodities.
No need for simplistic solutions that would only serve to break the US out of its economic suicide path.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 23 2022 0:56 utc | 128

Before it was changed the Trump family name was DRUMPF, a jewish name. In the 50's Fred Trump donated the land for the Talmud Torah of the Beach Haven Jewish Center something Lutherans do all the time I am sure. These folks are what is known a crypto-jews and get along fine with Neo-Con Straussians. Visit milesmathisdotcom and go to updates back around 2015 for more and the photo of old Fred donating. I understand how anyone could have voted for him once, it was a great middle finger to the establishment, but a second time after his pitifel performance?

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Jun 23 2022 1:06 utc | 129

ThinkingTank @123--

It's not the Outlaw US Empire that imports goods from China; various corporations do, and it's they who would need to find enough yuan to buy what they need, and where would they find them? China might not want to see the demand for yuan rise and thus see its value rise making its goods more expensive. That's been China's dollar dilemma since the late 1990s. Removing the dollar from trade is desired by the vast majority of the world, and that will happen at some point. The accumulated dollars are slowly being divested by China, but with over one trillion, it will take awhile--at the current rate, several decades. If China desired to decouple from the Outlaw US Empire, requiring its company's to use yuan exclusively to purchase its goods would likely do the deed, but such an action isn't at all desired by China.

Geoeconomically, China has the Outlaw US Empire deeply dependent on it thanks to the latter's policy, the situation being similar to the Empire's dependence on Russia. Many of us have advocated Russia demand payment in rubles for all its exports to nations on its Unfriendly List, but it hasn't because that would case a massive spike in the ruble against the dollar making its goods far less expensive, and it doesn't want that to happen. Indeed, Russia doesn't want the ruble to go lower than 50:1 to the dollar at this time.

A reckoning regarding the dollar's status will occur and the paradigm will change. When's the only question.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 1:07 utc | 130

@c1ue #127
I understand that China uses the USDs it gets from its sales to the US for BRI etc. But that is not just transforming USDs into infrastructure. If China pays BRI projects in USD, it is just circulation that money either within China or to other partners. As china has a surplus in its trade with the US, apart from the reserves that they hold, continuing to circulate more and more dollars for BRI projects will only increase the amount of dollars in theirs and partners economies. Of course, at the same time the US continues to indebt itself and continue printing dollars, which at some point will certainly crash the USD. When that happens, everyone holding dollars will see all of that money whipped away. Wouldn´t it be wise to get rid of that liability while the USD still has some value? That window of opportunity seems to be closing ...

Posted by: ThinkingTank | Jun 23 2022 1:12 utc | 131

@karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 0:47 utc | 124
How about that Blinken comment, in the Diesen piece, an admission that the US top diplomat doesn't have a clue. . . ". . .at any negotiating table that may emerge."
Blinken is absolutely worthless, which seems to be a new US standard and a requirement for Washington employ.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 23 2022 1:26 utc | 132

@ ThinkingTank | Jun 23 2022 1:12 utc | 132 with in the box thinking

You wrote
Wouldn´t it be wise to get rid of that liability while the USD still has some value?
The USD stopped having value in 1971 when Nixon went of the gold standard of value. The USD since then has only been a measure of debt since it has no intrinsic value.

When the music stops because a monetary system with intrinsic value for its specie is created, I expect China to use that trillion of not money to pay off some countries IMF debts.

The new order is not going to be decided by the old order folk and come reconciliation time from USD to intrinsic value money, there will be lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth....kinda like now but more out in the open.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2022 1:31 utc | 133

@karlof1 # 130

Thanks for your comment, I understand that the rise of currency value may pose a challenge for export oriented economies in one hand.
On the other hand, it makes everything imported cheaper, and if used properly in a production oriented economy, it could be an advantage (with the risk of de-industrialization if not properly managed ... as happened to the US)
However, as you mentioned, it is inevitable that the USD will crash, and everyone caught with USD in their hands will suffer an impact.
I am just trying to understand ... how could china slowly get rid of their dollar reserves, while maintaining a trade surplus with the US? It seems impossible to me. What am I missing? (Probably economy classes :D)

Posted by: ThinkingTank | Jun 23 2022 1:32 utc | 134

Then the corps are doing their things -from Dec 2021
Inside Tim Cook’s Secret $275 Billion Deal with Chinese Authorities
Interviews and internal Apple documents provide a behind-the-scenes look at how the company made concessions to Beijing and won key legal exemptions. CEO Tim Cook personally lobbied officials over threats that would have hobbled its devices and services. His interventions paved the way for Apple’s unparalleled success in the country. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 23 2022 1:32 utc | 135

CalDre | Jun 22 2022 23:25 utc | 111
Jews are incapable, etc.
who made the laws in VA and SC that, per you, formed the basis of your fatherland's and hero's race laws?

who was subject to those laws in both countries?

but it's the jews' fault? because of how clever and evil and devious they are?

it's funny that people think the things that they obsess over and fetishize make them "deep", rather than just obsessive. like how particularly evil the jews are. if you brood over it, it must be important, right?

it's not funny. it's boring as hell.

the only other group that comes close to being slandered on this site like jews is gay people. that's not an accident. you all live in terror that if you "open your bowels" (aka, show mercy, r-h-m), someone will stick it in your butthole in that moment of vulnerability, when you let go, of your anality, your obsession. it's a miracle you ever are able to use the bathroom, such is the paralyzing fear of penetration.

and people here do not typically equate Ukrainians in general w/your fellow power bottoms in the Azov battalion.

mr cuck. as much as you probably weep at the experience, your jacking off is not what is meant by "the little death".

now back to the distilled grain alcohol and mineral water. gotta maintain that purity of essence if we are ever to have peace on earth.


Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 23 2022 1:34 utc | 136

@psychohistorian # 135

That sounds like a good destination for all that paper ... makes sense

Posted by: ThinkingTank | Jun 23 2022 1:36 utc | 137

CalDre | Jun 22 2022 23:25 utc | 111

i'm sitting here w/my "siddur avodath yisrael" in my hand, straight from Allenby Rd in Tel Aviv.

you don't know a fucking thing about Judaism.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 23 2022 1:50 utc | 138

Posted by: John Day | Jun 22 2022 17:14 utc | 3 cites Charles Hugh Smith, Our Economy In a Nutshell
The economy has reached an inflection point where everything that is unsustainable finally starts unraveling.
​ ​Beneath its surface stability, our economy is precarious because the foundation of the global economy-- cheap energy--has reached an inflection point: from now on, energy will become more expensive.
[​ ...] ​Many people believe that nuclear power (fusion, thorium reactors, mini-reactors, etc.) will provide cheap, safe electricity that will replace hydrocarbons (oil and natural gas). But nuclear power is inherently costly, and there are presently no full-scale fusion or thorium reactors providing cheap electricity to thousands of households.
​ ​Reactors take many years to construct and are costly to build and maintain. Cost over-runs are common. A new reactor in Finland, for example, is nine years behind schedule and costs have tripled.
​ ​The U.S. has built only two new reactors in the past 25 years.​..
The cost and time overruns by French and American companies building nuclear power stations are indeed fantastic. By the way of contrast, RosAtom build many reactors according to the contract time and price, both 2-3 times lower that French/American achievements. Completed project include two big reactors in Belarus, four reactors are in the pipeline in Turkey to be completed next year and then in three subsequent years, two reactor project is well under way in Bangladesh, four reactor project is starting in Egypt etc. The troubles of French and Americans stem from loosing continuity of engineering expertise and development.

While USA is still successfully developing new products and technologies, it clearly is not able to be competitive in all areas. In the age of globalization it is neither necessary nor required, companies strive to be on "the cutting edge" in this or that technology or family of product and world market provides superior quality with good price, IF ALLOWED TO OPERATE BY THE HEGEMONIC WEST.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 23 2022 1:54 utc | 139

Removing the dollar from trade is desired by the vast majority of the world, and that will happen at some point. The accumulated dollars are slowly being divested by China, but with over one trillion, it will take awhile--at the current rate, several decades.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 1:07 utc | 130

Many poor (or less developed) countries are deeply indebted and that debt is mostly denominated in USD (e.g. MMF and WB loans). China is looking for way of de-Dollarizing its holdings in the most advantageous way. Would it be feasible for China to make arrangements with indebted countries to pay off their Dollar debts and in turn receive commodities in lieu of payments? One advantage would be to turn all the worthless USD back to the US.

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 23 2022 1:56 utc | 140

@135 psychohistorian | Jun 23 2022 1:31 utc - "I expect China to use that trillion of not money to pay off some countries IMF debts.

That is a lovely thought. The highest and best use of that stash. Turning a nothing into a gift of great value.

I liked your whole comment, many thanks.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 23 2022 2:27 utc | 141

@102 karlof1 | Jun 22 2022 23:01 utc

What is being proven is the fact that the Outlaw US Empire has lost its Information War as its own citizens have joined the world in rejecting the narrative they're supposed to swallow.

Yes, and funny how that works isn't it? As we've often discussed, Russia doesn't bother with the so-called information war, but instead changes entire paradigms through its actions.

And what happens is that the changed reality actually triumphs over the fictitious reality of that phony war, making all the propaganda somewhat superfluous, except as it leaves a void of cognitive dissonance in the minds of its victims.


By the way, you've made some great observations in this thread, and I've had the pleasure of reading them and many other good ones from serious commenters here.

So thank you, and thanks to all the others. Nice thread, almost like MoA.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 23 2022 2:36 utc | 142

106, uncle tungsten, one way to solve the container problem is making them into houses. There's a lot of info about container housing on the web. Some are pretty nice.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jun 23 2022 2:37 utc | 143

And as to those few here who keep fighting each other, it's sad that they never realize how their very belligerence voids every one of their comments, the whole body of all their comments. It's like they're fighting an information war instead of working to change paradigms.

I actually have no idea who of them is right or wrong, because one can only step over all of them, every last one who shows animosity, the same way one steps over something on the sidewalk. Tedious to have to deal with threads polluted in such a way. Stained by ego and nothing else.

One supposes they'll grow out of it, or simply fade away behind, an echo in the night air, as the caravan continues on its way.

Posted by: Grieved | Jun 23 2022 2:47 utc | 144

from China's Global Times
As China resists brief trouble, US ushers in long-term pain: Global Times editorial

Bloomberg recently reported that 19 of the world's 20 fastest-growing chip-making firms over the past four quarters hail from the Chinese mainland. This is a manifestation of the boom in chip manufacturing and supply in the mainland. The chip industry is widely known as the very core target of the US-launched trade war and science and technology war against China, and it is also the key field where the Chinese industry has been harshly contained. But after arduous struggle in the past few years, instead of being defeated by the US, it has started to bloom.

...the US in recent years has not achieved the goal of strangling the Chinese economy, nor has it reaped the benefits the initiators of the trade war had expected. Instead, the US economy is ushering in long-term pain - the most serious inflation over the past 40 years has greatly increased the living costs of ordinary Americans. In 2021, US automakers cut production by 7 million vehicles due to chip shortages, pushing up prices for new cars by 8 percent and used cars by over 40 percent. Tracing back, one will find an important reason for the scenario is Washington's violation of the law and forcibly interfering in China-US economic and trade exchanges by political means. here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 23 2022 3:01 utc | 145

The Zionist-Mason-Christo-Catholics who pwned GBR+Commonwealth, USA, and FRA managed to Sabotage/Fail-State/Defeat/Conquer/Subjugate RUS, CHN, JPN, and DEU during the 19th-20thCE.

Now Murica the Hegemon run the G7 - or with the Demure "Greater_ISR" Factions amongst the Hegemony's Plutarchy noted - Greater_ISR pwn the Hegemony, or the H8 - with Murica as the "Figurative Head" of the Plutarchy's Vassal Corporate-Oligopoly and SocioPolitical National Ochlarchies.

The Zionist-Masons thought they could keep pressuring RUS after the SUN Collapse; but Putin managed to drive out the Plundering 5thColumn Trans-Atlanticists.

Likewise, the Zionist-Masons tried to keep CHN contained and "Commercialy Colonized"; but CHN managed to force Foreign Firms to Joint-Venture with the Domestic-Govt-Vested. With the WTO Membership and Extreme Outsourcing by the H8 to Profiteer - and look for Coup Opportunities (e.g., South America+Hawaii+HKG) - CHN managed to enable their Domestic Industries, Civil Infrastructure, and now Investments which cultivate many Trade Partners.

The Hegemony/H8 are heavily driven by Colonial Plunderers GBR+USA+FRA, hence their desire to Subjugate the Entire World. They simply underestimated RUS and CHN "Collective Will" to Remain Sovereign after experiencing such miserable ordeals with the H8.

A Friendship Forged in Part by the Hegemonic Malice waged upon the World(recently via NATO/PNAC7).

Fortunately for RUS and CHN, they compliment themselves; and have and will continue to endure/overcome any Indirect/Direct Economic+Political5thColumn+Military Schemes of the H8.

RUS don't need to Expand their Real Estate, don't need to traverse Ships Across Oceans to Survive. CHN may be more dependent on Sea Lanes; but their SilkRoad, Blue Water Navy, TBMs, and Shared Borders with RUS make them Regionally Impervious.

CHN Expansionists have previously claimed AUS for themselves in the 1970s. Probably due to their desire to Drive GBR out of HKG and Hemisphere (GBR did Plunder AUS, NZL, HKG, and Opium'd CHN for themselves). CHN now have the Blue Water Navy and Airlift/Sealift to take the Zionist-Mason-Christo-Catholic PHL, AUS, NZL along with TWN for the Removal of GBR+Commonwealth.

AngloMurica know this and formed AUKUS. Lame; but that's All AUKUS can Muster.

The Gain in Real Estate, Natural Resources, and Strategic Positioning are in themselves Very Tempting; and as CHN have the Just Cause - No One can stop CHN if such "Counter-Invasions" Occur.

Posted by: IronForge | Jun 23 2022 3:17 utc | 146

CalDre | Jun 23 2022 1:58 utc | 143
on the open thread

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 23 2022 3:25 utc | 147

Thank you, karlof1 | Jun 22 2022 23:01 utc | 102.

There was such a lot of potential if the US had only been able to step up and be a part of it all - so many times that would have been welcomed by both China and Russia! Even now, if only a new start would be made in the US, even NOW there would be an opening for a humble nation to start shouldering its responsibilities, admitting its mistakes, helping instead of hurting...

I truly don't understand why that is an impossible road to take. I truly don't understand!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 23 2022 3:33 utc | 148

@Posted by: Grieved | Jun 23 2022 2:47 utc | 148

I do agree that the pollution is thick these days at MoA.
One wonders whether pollution is the intention or just the "nature of the beast".

Perhaps barflies need a quick list of "most favored posters",
so that barflies can jump to those on the list and skip the rest.
There are problems with that idea of course. I am open to suggestions.

Posted by: librul | Jun 23 2022 4:07 utc | 149

CalDre @ 43

Wow, your litany of horrors about Ukraine was good - redeeming even based on some of your previous comments at MoA. I did notice that one particular piece of legislation was left off your list, but since you are an unabashed Capitalist, I am not surprised:

CalDre @ 111

Oh, boy, just when I thought you might have something positive to add to the discussion, you let your racist freak flag fly! You are amazing. There are a couple of others who post similar things at the bar here...kind of wish you were not allowed to say such things, but...freedom of speech. Shouldn't you be more supportive of Ukraine considering your views about Jewish people. End your posts with "Slava Ukraine" or whatever, right.

You are so all over the place, I'm not sure you are a real person but some sort of construct...not a bot, but something more insidious.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jun 23 2022 4:22 utc | 150

I do agree that the pollution is thick these days at MoA.
One wonders whether pollution is the intention or just the "nature of the beast".
Posted by: librul | Jun 23 2022 4:07 utc | 154

I just scroll on by most of the time, I remember the people who have verbally abused me and this includes some very frequent old time barflies. I have no problem with criticism but people telling me I'm a moron or a f***wit or to f*** off for just posting an opinion is not ok with me.

So we have the current trolls who are often abusive, get lots more attention than they should IMO and manage to disrupt the thread with constant arguments, then we have a couple of copious posting regulars who think they are above everyone else because they work so hard on their content. On several occasions I've been told by Karl, RSH and a couple others that I am a troll who wants Russia to lose the war. Just because I happened to disagree about something or post an opinion that was a bit different.

Seriously? It's the opposite and that should be obvious to anyone who has read any of my posts.
Apologies forthcoming? Never!

There are some self centred individuals here who don't always properly read others posts unless they are addressed to them personally and stroking their egos.

So don't blame all the chaos on the so called trolls, the locals aren't perfect either. I think the behaviour at this bar could be a whole lot better with no loss of value. That would require some simple rules that most blogs have in place.

I wish B would do this. Nothing severe just a ban on outright abuse of each other.

Posted by: K | Jun 23 2022 4:34 utc | 151

karlof1 | Jun 22 2022 23:01 utc | 102

What we now see arising was anticipated by Russia which is why it kept its energy flows open and only allowed EU nations to harm themselves.

...What is being proven is the fact that the Outlaw US Empire has lost its Information War as its own citizens have joined the world in rejecting the narrative they're supposed to swallow. And now the Blowback has come and is sure to escalate at the SMO's four month mark. What will end up being decolonized is the EU and its NATO enforcer decommissioned.

Russia's frequent practice of turning the other cheek and the methodical, "slow" pace of its SMO is maddening to many, but in place of impatience an awakening will grow. Such paradigm shift in consciousness requires progressive revelation to penetrate reigning delusion. No one on this planet would actually pay more than lip service to the platitudes of winning hearts and minds, nation-building, freedom, democracy, rule of law etc., right?

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 23 2022 4:35 utc | 152

On the issue of a trading currency, that was advocated by Keynes at Bretton Woods as it wouldn't subsidize any one economy as the dollar has. The coming change will be to something like that so no one nation can again use its currency as a weapon.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 5:01 utc | 153

@Posted by: K | Jun 23 2022 4:34 utc | 156, it isn't the abuse I had in mind
it is the senseless filler.

Posted by: librul | Jun 23 2022 5:02 utc | 154

iEarlGrey reports Putin signs a decree that payment in Roubles is complete payment and the recipient is in the position of accepting it - and that's all there is to it.

For the entire episode and some other good news, start at the beginning of the utoob.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 23 2022 5:28 utc | 155

Decolonize Russia into more numerous states would also allows immediate recolonization of such smaller states by the West and primarily the US
Why not access of US military for IS based all along China border ?
Access of Western firms to all Russian raw resources or contreversely making sure that Russian oil & gas be definitively limited in order to « save the planet ».
Take advantage of Russia raw resources is a huge stake for me.

Posted by: Daniel | Jun 23 2022 5:35 utc | 156

@ karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 5:01 utc | 158 who wrote
The coming change will be to something like that so no one nation can again use its currency as a weapon.

It is not just the nations currencies but the commodity markets that need to be put under sovereign control and not private control. I think that the economic crash needs to force control of the current private commodity manipulators out and put those markets under sovereign management just like a sovereign owned/operated BIS and other finance utilities.

To me it is ending the private hijacking of nations by the God of Mammon elite that needs to end and seems to be happening.

It is only when the private folk don't control commodity markets that those commodity values can be included to support a money with intrinsic value. Until then it would be foolish to establish an exchange rate between the fiat USD and the new alternative Reserve Currency/system of finance that supports money with intrinsic value......the West will be forced to re-establish an intrinsic value for the USD to enable international exchange

The shit show continues until it doesn't and it may be ugly for a bit in transition to a better world.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 23 2022 5:44 utc | 157

"De-colonizing" follows the blueprint of Hitler's "Generalplan Ost", filleting the country into powerless entities for resource exploitation and slave labour. It is a similar fate as they plan for China, dissection of Xinjiang, Xizang (Tibet), and maybe other regions like Inner Mongolia, Manchuria etc., maybe Guangdong with Cantonese as "ridne mova" of that Region (though I never heard of Guangdong separatism but in Yugoslavia too, the Neocons and other imperialists were very creative in inventing new "nations").

I cannot recommend more the lecture of Andreas Wehr's essay "Role Model Yugoslavia - from the Krayina to Donezk and Lugansk" (in German, use a translator). Das Vorbild Jugoslawien. Von der Krajina zu Donezk und Lugansk

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 23 2022 5:48 utc | 158

B, if the Texas announcement of a future separation vote ( from the US) gets some confirmation, this may well be worth a thread !

Posted by: Daniel | Jun 23 2022 5:53 utc | 159, it isn't the abuse I had in mind
it is the senseless filler.
Posted by: librul | Jun 23 2022 5:02 utc | 159

Life imitating art?

Posted by: K | Jun 23 2022 5:58 utc | 160

I think the De-colonize" description is quite confusing. I'm used to using the word in the sense of the West colonizing the global south for example or Britain colonizing Australia
ie: displacing the indigenous peoples and stealing resources.

As far as I can see the West wants to Re-colonize China and for the first time colonize Russia.
I am not sure what the purpose is of using confusing language, if anyone can explain I would appreciate.

Posted by: K | Jun 23 2022 6:08 utc | 161

More about the gas war.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 23 2022 7:11 utc | 162

Willikins 121: Exactly. Russian history of peaceful, painful breakup of Soviet Union, historical evidence there's a fair world order in sight IMO. Anyway, with US-NATO not a shred of a chance for such a hope.

Posted by: lavieja | Jun 23 2022 7:35 utc | 163

Willikins 121: Exactly. Russian history of peaceful, painful breakup of Soviet Union, historical evidence there's a fair world order in sight IMO. Anyway, with US-NATO not a shred of a chance for such a hope.

Posted by: lavieja | Jun 23 2022 7:35 utc | 169

This is how it looks to me too.
if the USSr was an empire it certainly did not act like any of the others in modern history.
And ditto US UK Nato

Posted by: K | Jun 23 2022 7:53 utc | 164

Posted by: CalDre | Jun 23 2022 3:04 utc | 150

Nice admission of guilt, if oblique.

And you managed to type it out without any "I'm very very smart" derisive remarks OR tinfoil conspiracies!

P.S.: The WEF are not communists.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 9:42 utc | 165

From what I've read, and it's been a while, one of the main reasons for no new refineries is NIMBY politics in both "red" and "blue" areas. Also the term "limousine liberals" isn't a very biting insult anymore. I don't even get what it implies it's been so long. Like Democrat politicians who use a limo instead of the subway or something?

As a boy, growing up in NW Indiana's refining district of Whiting & East Chicago, there were refineries everywhere.... Sinclair, Standard of Indiana, and others. One by one they closed.
In each and every case union workers were blamed, falsely.....
Only after AMOCO, formerly Indiana Standard, was bought by BP, after BP bought Ohio Standard, SOHIO, to obtain Alaska North Slope Oil & the Aleyska Pipeline bringing same to market, did the truth come out...... AMOCO used all of it's cash drilling dry holes throughout Wyoming, Colorado, and other western oil districts.....

In other words the refineries closed because there was insufficient crude to keep them running...

It's the same with NW Indiana, Chicago Steel District..... One by one, the big integrated steel mills of International Harvester, US Steel, Youngstown Sheet & Tube, Inland Steel, and Bethlehem are being bought up, and consolidated.... In each case union workers are blamed...

The truth is.... the ore ran out.... Marmion Lake was drained for ore, the mesabi was honeycombed for ore... finally they were down to taconite, a low grade ore, which they concentrated at Two Rivers... until... it too ran out....

So.... the Oil Companies are not building refineries for a very simple reason..... available crude volumes are dropping..... fraccing or no fraccing...

Refineries are being built.... in China... Russia.... Brunei... Iran.... Venezuela....
where there are crude supplies.....

Only one minor problem.... NATO has sanctioned those supplies..... because NATO cannot control them... not for reasons stated....

So, now we have delusions of NATO gaining the upper hand for the purpose of dictating Minsk III.... While per John Ross... NATO's neo-liberal capitalist economies tank....


Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jun 23 2022 10:48 utc | 166

The U.S. normally denies that it has ever had an empire (with the exception of the Bush II administration, where the neocons were so in control that they were quite open about it). Hence it claims to be the world’s great decoloniser, having destroyed the Spanish, British, French and Dutch empires. (What happened thereafter is not talked about.)
So claiming that Russia is an empire and seeking to destroy it under the rubric of decolonisation makes some sense. It’s kind of like the Democratic Party’s minions gunning down young blacks all over America while the Democratic Party funded an ersatz Black Lives Matter movement. It fools idiots, and it serves corrupt power, and that’s all that matters.

Posted by: MFB | Jun 23 2022 10:51 utc | 167

@Don Bacon #76

Raytheon didn't start this war, AIPAC did. The 'Russiagate' hysteria is why Biden felt he couldn't step back and Russiagate was all about Trump's position on Syria.

Halliburton etc didn't start the Iraq war, AIPAC did.

They have influence but not to do things like this. They might support them but they aren't the main impetus, the ones who come up with the targets or necessary.

The neocons are just used to their crazy pattern of running headfirst with full aggression (And, over time have distilled themselves into pure psychopaths) all the time so that when the opening comes they can get through but now because of 'Russiagate', progressive liberals aren't holding them back, they are adding to the hysteria. So they're not only dangerous but now incompetent; having picked a fight where Russia cares far more than the US about Ukraine's status we have reached the inevitable situation where Russia is prepared to go to war but the US isn't making it look weak, reckless or insanely dangerous or shades of all 3. Now the US will feel it needs to look 'tough', very dangerous.

Posted by: Altai | Jun 23 2022 11:08 utc | 168

The campaigning for Democrats is getting real thick in here.

Really guys, you are going to lose in a big way in November, and you deserve it too. Your tribe's incessant efforts to gaslight the "Deplorables" is annoying and, like The Empire of Lies' sanctions on Russia, is backfiring on you, and for the same reason: you are delusional and are attacking what you imagine your opponents to be rather than what they really are. Every time you mention Trump, or "domestic terrorists", or white supremacists with your fingers pointing down at the working class, you shred more of whatever little credibility you have remaining.

So go ahead and keep spouting your favorite homoerotic fictions about Trump and Putin and ranting about various Democracy Show© Red Team personalities. Your posts are tinged with hysteria, which indicates that you know at some level of your consciousness that you have lost traction with the real world. Just know that the more you pursue your imaginary political boogiemen and double down on trying to sell your tribe's Democracy Show© champions, the more elusive domination will be for you.

Why? Look at this contradiction:

karlof1 @75: "...the Navy’s ships are aging faster than they are being replaced..."


Don Bacon @76 "...there is a continuing need for the US security state for financial reasons to maintain a huge military force backed by a huge spending budget..."

And both are 100% correct! Ships falling apart while the most mindbogglingly enormous military budget in human history thrown at the problem? How can this be?!?!? Because ships exist in the real world, but the challenges and toils of the Establishment and their spokespeople in social media exist only in their own imaginations.

It is a tragic comedy.

Your fantasies of "re-colonizing" China are particularly amusing.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 23 2022 11:10 utc | 169

Posted by: ThinkingTank | Jun 23 2022 0:44 utc | 123

China is already paying for its imports in dollars. And has a trade surplus. In what currency is it supposed to keep that surplus? Ok there is Euro, Yen and Swiss Frank.
Not easy to get rid of dollars. It’s a global currency and there is a lot of it because the US runs a trade and balance of payments deficits.
My understanding is that China wants to move in the direction of making yuan a global currency. However, besides worrying about an increase in value, as karkof1 mentioned, I think the issue is how to make it widely available. China does not want to print a lot of yuan at least for now. Maybe a new reserve currency is a solution.

Posted by: RB | Jun 23 2022 11:12 utc | 170

"Typical leftist intolerance, attempted bullying (hint: it doesn't work, just reflects on the kind of person you are) and hate. Feel free to leave if you don't like free speech, which you obviously loathe.

Oooh, ahhhh, some more ad hominem attacks.
The hallmarks of the modern left: hate, extreme intolerance, aggression and ad hominem attacks, and that's the online version, where your ilk is limited to such antics."

Posted by: CalDre | Jun 22 2022 23:50 utc | 117

I wonder if this is more properly called "projection" or "rules for me, not for thee"

Let's recap a few of the above-quoted ass' latest contributions and see how much of a """leftist""" this fascistic worm is, according to his own standards. The "extreme intolerance" can be seen in this very same thread, no need for archive quotes - yet.

(@Pacifica Advocate #102)
"I only post on select topics where I can make a contribution, unlike the basement-dwelling know-nothings that feel compelled to post on every topic regardless of their ignorance and frailties of comprehension (ahem, ahem). Just another of the endless falsehoods you engage in."
Posted by: CalDre | Jun 20 2022 22:35 utc | 128

(@bevin #143)
"I know more about Marxism than someone of your frail capacities could imagine."

"Low IQ communists are just, well, too stupid to figure it out."

"You Communist swine can only hurl insults at those better than you."

"Communist swine are to busy regurgitating the swill they are fed by their masters. Completely unable to articulate a thought of their own, still regurgitating propaganda for idiots from the late 19th Century."

"LOL, you Communist swine are always the same, everyone who isn't as stupid, ignorant and worthless as you is a "racist". It doesn't even matter if I am or not, who cares? Oh, right, it's your religion, indictrinated in your pea brain by the oligarchs you worship while you pretend to oppose them."

Posted by: CalDre | Jun 21 2022 4:23 utc | 230

(@sippy the shot glass #237)
"Only an utter cretin would write the garbage you write. But carry on. You pathetic attempts of you and your pathetic comrades to silence and cancel anyone who doesn't drink the Kool-Aid with you is hilarious. All you can do is attack those who are smarter, more educated, more civilized than you. As long as you have that attitude, you will always remain ... losers."

"So unless you have something constructive to write - yes, I realize, an impossible dream for your ilk - just STFU."

Posted by: CalDre | Jun 21 2022 5:31 utc | 241

(@MarkU #347)
"Oh, and you are also a f*** asshole. Maybe next time, try to make your point with all the (utterly misplaced) arrogance, rudeness, condescension and ... well, ignorance, but you surely won't be able to get rid of that."

Posted by: CalDre | Jun 21 2022 20:56 utc | 442


-I am only including insults leveled against particular users, not broad-stroke bullshit.

-I am not including insults directed at me - it's easy to guess why 😘

-Constant railing against "joos" and "gommulists" is a hallmark of fascists (Has he lapsed into "judeobolshevik conspiracy" talk yet?)

-This all started when the above-quoted ass barged in claiming that the WEF are GOMMULISTS!!!1!, and went ballistic at the perspective of his tinfoil-hat theory not being greeted like it was Holy Gospel.

-The above-quoted ass clearly suffers from some sort of "I'm exceedingly smart" unwarranted self-importance complex, "A God Am I" statements are only a couple notches away in the dial.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 11:14 utc | 171

It is the U$A that should be split up into several smaller countries, none large enough to hassle anyone beyond our borders.

Posted by: Chris Herz | Jun 23 2022 11:15 utc | 172

Posted by: Chris Herz | Jun 23 2022 11:15 utc | 178

USA to be burnt to the ground "in one hour only".
(Sorry about that).

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jun 23 2022 11:45 utc | 173

@34, Gorbachev, Walesa, and other Soviet "heroes" have lived so long that they lived to see history's tide turning against them . Gorbachev is no longer the peacenik who refused to use the Soviet armed forces to prevent the break down of the USSR; he is now either a crony of the nomenclatura, or a clueless man who presided over the systematic dismantling and looting of the old USSR; Walesa is not that courageous labour leader who freed Poland - he is now just a tool in the hands of the West to break Poland away from the USSR empire. Eltsin's only redeeming point was anointing Putin. God, how times have changed!

But the long American "century" turned out to be just three decades - 1991 - 2021. American elite so much abused America's wealth and power that it all ran out just in 30 years! No other empire probably ran out of steam so quickly, save for the USSR.

Posted by: Old Brown Fool | Jun 23 2022 11:46 utc | 174

Good golly we got a slap fest at the bar last night. No permanent damage I hope!

But what good is a bar which doesn’t allow a occasional brawl eh?

And as usual some superb comments to go with the excellent thesis by b.
I think that when the collapsing Narrators start using new words it is usually because they are describing themselves.

‘Decolonisation’ = Projection.

With regards currency Dollars, as far as I understood , came in two flavours - Domestic and Euro$ (an invention for the Soviets?

The Euro itself was constructed through from the 70’s through the ‘EMU’ - not the bird that shoved its head in the ground - but a basket of currencies which was used to inflict pain upon European nations by insisting on certain parameters, pretty arbitrary in my opinion err so a bit like a ostrich after all?

However the Euro worked, after us Brits tried to crash it and created billions from our treasury straight into Soros’ secret pockets overnight. I’m sure the Fed had ‘nuffink to do wiff it , honest gov’.
As I’m sure Goldmansachs accidentally on purpose get Greece signed up into the Euro knowing they had no chance of ever meeting the EMU parameters, ie a ticking bomb which would go off - and it did try to blow the ‘bloody doors off’ for several years over the last decade. It seems everyone who daily Cassandra’d and slavered over the Grexit! Where are you Doom merchants now? Did you make a killing? Or did your short arses get severe kicking?
Trying to shoehorn the basket cases of central Europe into the EU was also pushed by us Brits. Keeping Turkey out was a mistake and lucky for them, because it makes it much easier for them to now become a main player in the SCO and its new financial world.
Ukraine whatever is left , to be fast tracked? What hilarious hubris - racism, financial wishfulness, with added dumb as fuck Nazi proxies straight into the heart of a EU! Folly that only these that wish ill upon Europeans security would wish for.

I will say again and again - there is no understanding History without understanding what we believe about Money.

And as the great lyricist said ‘if you don’t understand your own history then you are like a cabbage, in your society’.

On which note I’ll lash a quick boot at the propagandists and narrative pushers that still, STILL, as heist that the US has any understanding of socialism and anti socialism.
A concept created as another new religion/pseudo science ‘Economics’ by employing some bright young students in the 18/19th centuries - whilst planning how to conquer the ‘world island’ by using great sea power and empires to attack it from all shores.
The great iron railroads changed that whole calculation- more than road and air transport even have.

That is why the BRI is the great defence against the historical Owners as it threatens full logistical connection from the tips of Africa, Europe & EurAsia.
Hence the hysterical Owners throwing out daily new narratives, Tourette’s like - DECOLONISATION!

The whole of the US Army for example is a wholly socialist setup isn’t it? It is not a enterprise set up by some hardy warriors. It can’t be otherwise otherwise or you would be forced to rely on mercenary praetorians of history that have always been the thugs that the Money bought to install whatever Caesar into power over whatever kingdoms and then ‘nation states’ and Empires they constantly form and reform through

Ahem - the Dulles brothers and their families and even some petty generals who would be Caesar...
The United States will dissolve into its balkanisation within the next decade and it will have ceased to be long before any decolonisation/recolonisation/worldwide conquest goes any further.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 23 2022 11:46 utc | 175

The Congress knows where their bread is buttered. .
. . .from DefenseNews
No consensus yet on military spending for next year, except for more of it

All of that comes less than a week after Senate Armed Services Committee officials backed a $45 billion increase in defense spending above President Joe Biden’s budget outline — almost 10% above this year’s spending levels — as part of their annual authorization bill draft.
Altogether, the jockeying appears to signal another significant boost in available money for defense personnel, equipment and training next year. The question is exactly how much more, and whether that will be enough to counter rising inflation.
The House Armed Services Committee funding increase was led by Reps. Jared Golden, D-Maine, and Elaine Luria D-Va.. They heralded the 42-17 vote in favor of the additional money as a sign of bipartisan support for properly supporting the military. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 23 2022 12:52 utc | 176

B, US doesn't import diesel, it exports it (to Brazil) the Eau is the market affected. Distillates are tight in US due to exports. Otherwise dead on.

Posted by: ScottinDallas | Jun 23 2022 13:52 utc | 177

I've been using the term "neocolonial/ism/ist" to describe the mind-set of the Anglo-Americans in power that inhabit DC/NYC/London. Their seamless web spanned the Clinton/Bush/Obama Administration[singular intended]. Yes, it was briefly interfered with by some nameless usurper who didn't "know his place"...fortunately for people who impoverish us all, the "back-up-plan" neutered the usurping fool so that the recolonization plan can now continue.

It's amusing to my ears to hear neocolonialists toss about the term "decolonize". A little ironic, yeah..I really do think.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 23 2022 13:53 utc | 178

@karlofi 130

China doesn't have to make it's currency a part of the capitalist system. It could fix rates with each country on an individual basis depending on what the commodity is or affordability of said nation. While america weaponized the dollar and used it to enslave the world, China/Russia don't need to follow that path.

IOW's come up with a trading system that's fair to all, instead of entitlement to only one.

Posted by: Gazza | Jun 23 2022 14:08 utc | 179

Solidarity founder/Nobel Prize laureate/former Poland President Lech Walensa

Posted by: Daniel N. White | Jun 22 2022 18:17 utc | 20

I would read Peter Schweizer's book "Victory" as a starter.

Walesa was/is a puppet of the Polish Security Services. His character and facial looks made him an ideal puppet to fool the crowd. He had some problems within the Solidarity org. but apparently those in Power found solutions to them. The Old Rulers needed him (their tool) in the Power sharing negotiations during the transition to the new and better Democratic System. Apparently it all worked splendidly.

Where there's smoke, there is fire, on that level of Power.

From my personal perspective, the first time Walesa appeared speaking on US TV he gave me the impression of a pompous clown. Someone way out of their league. Well over the years following European events I have come to the conclusion that I was spot on. He's a Macron but a version that the Polish Public would buy.

Someone once noticed that with his mustache, Waleza gave the Public the subconscious connection to another Polish "hero" Pilsudski (controversial figure). I'm inclined to think there is something to it.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 22 2022 22:34 utc | 96
lol. you are good murkin jew-hating, dollar-loving, jesus-worshipping, death penalty for flag burning, kind of 30 weight, blond-haired, obese, old testament crustean in sweat pants, right?
the world is inhospitable to old people. it's not a conspiracy when an old fart, no matter how terrible he is, falls off a bicycle.

I bet you can't even ride a bike.

Those Palestinians must be deserving what they get, seeing as they hate those Jews so much. I know, only hateful people would point this out.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 23 2022 1:50 utc | 140
No need to read Mad Comic Books, your comments are just as good. Shalom Haim

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 23 2022 14:18 utc | 180

@ Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 11:14 utc | 179

Thanks for that.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 23 2022 14:51 utc | 181

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 23 2022 14:51 utc | 189

You're welcome.

I'd still like to see some graphical evidence of the ring you alluded to a couple of times some days back.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 14:54 utc | 182

@ Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 11:14 utc | 179

thanks as well for that.. i am sending a copy to bernhard... i am tired of this constant bullshit at moa...

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2022 15:00 utc | 183

Posted by: james | Jun 23 2022 15:00 utc | 191

You're welcome, too.

Please do. I'm not sure it'll help, but please do.

The gall of that idiot. First drops in spouting mononeuronal tinfoil BS, then goes ballistic on being challenged, starts acting like a Galaxy Brain, and still has the cheek to cry for the same shit he does.

Speaking of which, I'm going to save his other post earlier in this thread where he engages in wholesale projection, misdirection, self-aggrandizement and wounded gazelle antics - Posted by: CalDre | Jun 23 2022 3:04 utc | 152

Somebody, or a few somebodies, seem to be presently hellbent on injecting a few types of content in here.

After abject repeated failure from a few, oh so very coincidentally this "individual" appears again doubling down on more of the same bvllsh1t with even worse manners - outright attempts at intimidation, lol, I really wonder what sort of human interactions is this [REDACTED] accustomed to :)

The behavior is painfully obvious for anybody who's already familiarized with these sorts of manoeuvers.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 15:37 utc | 184

Gazza @187--

Thanks for your reply. However, that would be a more complex undertaking than what's needed. What I didn't take the time to explain late last night, was the nature of the complexity of constructing the new trading regime as it involves much more than just a new currency. Part of the issue was noted by psychohistorian @164 as all markets controlled by Western financial interests are skewed and unequitable, the most corrupted being the Gold Market. Plus, there's the reality that two systems will be operating/competing simultaneously as dollar-centric interests aren't just going to give up, and the Outlaw US Empire will do whatever it can to keep its dollar hegemony in place regardless of its unreasonableness. The entire process can be seen as the Global South's final step in its decolonization from the West--a very big, momentous, complex, yet 100% necessary action for the emergence of a Just, Multipolar World.

What's very interesting to observe is what's being said/written about this process. The Global South is being very honest and open, but the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals are unable to admit to their immoral methods of exploitation and expropriation and must resort to lies and obfuscation, while trying to place the blame on anyone but themselves and their Neoliberal Parasitism. The world failed to stand together after the two world wars and allowed the Outlaw US Empire to become the bully. Now, just over 100 years later, the world is finally standing together and telling the bully its days are done.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 16:09 utc | 185

@Scorpion 102
we'd certainly have higher population in Russia if nazis didn't slaughter 30-50 millions of our people
and germany is doing the same thing again, the west too. you know, we can't forgive you for falling for the nazi meme twice. we all know where this is going, masks are off. it's an existential fight, we always knew this day would come. hollywood has been hard at work slowly massaging Russia hate into normie' brains. dehumanization is the first step of genocide. it comes so effortlessly afterwards. we are now.. orcs, aggressors, etc, and your average "slavakokaini" normie is happy to repeat every knew buzzword, and his progressiveness, inclusivity and tolerance go out of the window. this level of submission to the narrative is a little bizarre thb. the whole lgbt thing is insane, especially the tranny part. it's insane.
welp, we all know where this is going. if i were you i'd get out of big eu/us cities.

Posted by: Nikolai | Jun 23 2022 16:12 utc | 186

Doug Hillman @159--

Thanks for your reply. Yes, many must see to believe and allow reality to overcome narrative. That's difficult given the sophistication of today's propaganda. William Gruff's comment @177 and Don Bacon's @184 show how the captured can become desperate in face of the reality confronting them. Look at the Heritage Foundation's report on the state of the Empire's military and ask yourself if $800 Billion ought to be wasted for such mediocrity--Oh just a few Billion more and we can make it right. No fucking way! I've read the Heritage's reports since 2000, and the MIC is the USA's version of the USSR--unworkable and corrupt to its core, including Congress and the Executive.

IMO, Outlaw US Empire behavior since declaring Full Spectrum Domination as the #1 policy goal in 1996 is self-defeating, and those living within it are again facing the consequences of burning the candle at both ends simultaneously but with far worse outcomes than the late 1970s because then the real economy still functioned--now it's gone and can't save the ship from sinking.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 23 2022 16:26 utc | 187

MFB @ 175

The only Americans who say we are not an empire don't know their own history. Jefferson spoke about America as an "empire of liberty" as early as 1780. Read Gordon Wood's 'Empire of Liberty' for a not so succinct exploration of how that empire developed up to 1815.

Chris Herz @ 180

If Republicans in Texas have their way, the devolution of the US is about to begin. Similar movements out here in the PNW but without the political traction (see Cascadia). All powers not given to the federal government are reserved to the people (US BoR 9) or the states US BoR 10). We'll see how that experiment goes.

Gazza @ 187

Interesting point re: pegging money value to different products as needed. Last night, I was reading Michael Hudson's '...and forgive them their debts' re: money in the ancient fertile crescent. Money was first just a marker for debt. Then it became usable in transactions. Hammurabi proclaimed that 1 shekel of silver could be paid as 1 kur of grain (only inside the temples and palaces), but that different valuations could be used elsewhere. Sounds like what you propose China could do. We like to think our society is more complex and advanced than those 4,000 years ago, but put aside our modern tech and not much has changed. People decide what money will be worth and pegging money's value to oil or wheat or gold sounds a lot more sound than the way money has been valued since the early 1970's when the USD was taken off the gold standard. Also, debt jubilees happened regularly back in the good ol' days of Hammurabi... where's Hammurabi when you need him.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jun 23 2022 16:30 utc | 188

CalDre @ 198

The ease with which you clump people together is a sign of your unwillingness to see nuance in the world and an indicator of a lack of intellectual flexibility.

Some Jews follow Judaism, some don't. Some Jews who follow Judaism are Zionists, some aren't. Some Jews take the idea of the "Chosen People" to heart and believe in their superiority, some do not. Some people who follow Judaism are African, some semitic, etc...

I just re-read my post to you... it's passive-agressive at worst. BTW, I'm not Jewish, but raised a Southern Baptist in Texas...still recovering.

Slow down and soak in the shades of gray in the world. Yes, it makes things more difficult at times, but also more interesting.

You are confounding more than anything else.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jun 23 2022 17:22 utc | 189

. . .from a March fact sheet, the US defense priorities are:
1. Defending the homeland, paced to the growing multi-domain threat posed by the PRC
2. Deterring strategic attacks against the United States, Allies, and partners
3. Deterring aggression, while being prepared to prevail in conflict when necessary, prioritizing the PRC challenge in the Indo-Pacific, then the Russia challenge in Europe
4. Building a resilient Joint Force and defense ecosystem.
The Department will act urgently to sustain and strengthen deterrence, with the People’s Republic of China (PRC) as our most consequential strategic competitor and the pacing challenge for the Department.
Russia poses acute threats, as illustrated by its brutal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. We will collaborate with our NATO Allies and partners to reinforce robust deterrence in the face of Russian aggression.
The Department will remain capable of managing other persistent threats, including those from North Korea, Iran, and violent extremist organizations .. .here

This ties in with the US making enemies so it will have an excuse for spending $762 billion defending against them, or attacking them if they're weak (and then losing). In any case the money is there to be wasted on crappy systems, people in the ranks in the Pentagon and in the Congress, and with the various corporations funding congressional re-election campaigns.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 23 2022 17:28 utc | 190

Cal dre@200, Barbarossa was not pre-emptive, it's political aims were clearly laid out in Mein Kampf, which was written in 22-23 (supposedly). In a nutshell, the usual colonial resource stripping and genocide operation. It included the death of 50 million Slavs. I think you will find in General Plan Ost (the Wehrmacht economic exploitation plan) the same number of Slavic deaths.

Posted by: Foxbat | Jun 23 2022 17:59 utc | 191

Posted by: CalDre | Jun 23 2022 16:57 utc | 197

"so best you not write me at all, OK, comrade savage?"

...Or what?

Or you'll keep up with the Mussolini Lite chest thumping? 🤭

Did you actually expect to drop by, spouting Tinfoil Bullshit of the Reich Kind, and be greeted with a choir of "By Zeus, Socrates, it's true!" ?

Do you actually expect insults to scare people away... in text...?

Or do you expect people to go "oh yes, I'm five kinds of stupid at once, and this guy must be Einstein!"

...Oh wait, sorry, Einstein was a joo! My apologies for comparing your most august intelligence with that of a jooo, this is impossible and unacceptable, your blindingly glorious intellect cannot be less than the sum of all joooooish brains past, present and future!

I'm sure that for every commenter, there's only a finite number of different permutations of "stupid" that you need to call them before they realize THE TRUTH!!!1! and throw themselves at your feet in adoration of your magnificent brainpower and unparalelled capacity for persuasion, swear their lives to your service and pledge to you the hands of their firstborn daughters.

P.S.: The "destroying religion" angle doesn't pair so well with unprovoked ranting against monotheism within 24 hours - come on, the bike or the ball - I'm sure you could do better if only your mercy graced these undeserving, wretched lowlives with the tiniest additional fraction of your pristine clarity of mind.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 18:04 utc | 192



The greatest intellect, in platonic rapture, absconded away into the realm of pure ideas...

Thanks b.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 18:39 utc | 193

b thank you for this thread I'm an overseas Chinese and China is very dear me, my ancestor home was in Hubei province where the Virus first started and my ancestor all perished.....

Posted by: JC | Jun 23 2022 19:48 utc | 194

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 22 2022 21:57 utc | 88

Karlofi, that's what I'd call, keeping your eye on the ball!

Posted by: Lbanu | Jun 23 2022 20:54 utc | 195

@ Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 14:54 utc | 188

I'd still like to see some graphical evidence of the ring you alluded to a couple of times some days back.

I wasn't sure if you were referring to me or someone else, earlier, when you asked about that--not least because I wasn't really sure what you were/are referring to. Please, refresh my memory.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 23 2022 22:23 utc | 196

just re-read my post to you... it's passive-agressive at worst. BTW, I'm not Jewish, but raised a Southern Baptist in Texas...still recovering.
heard that. what a fucking cult.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jun 23 2022 17:22 utc | 195

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 23 2022 22:27 utc | 197

"Please, refresh my memory."
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 23 2022 22:23 utc | 202

Found it.

Ten days ago, in "Media tune out ukraine hysteria", 3rd page.

But you posted more or less the same message at least twice, I think you even put it on #1 in some thread but either that was earlier or it's been deleted.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 5:20 utc | 244

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 22:45 utc | 198

Had to try like 4 or 5 times to get that comment through, between previews and refreshes.

The comment form is choking BADLY as of late.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 23 2022 22:46 utc | 199

Posted by: Bobolinski | Jun 22 2022 22:11 utc | 90

"Ring, ring!"
"Click" "Hello, Joe speaking."
"Oh, hi Joe, it's Hillary."
"Oh, um, hi."
"Heard you had some PR planned for today, with you cruising up on a pushbike."
"Oh, um, yes, where'd you hear that?"
"Sources. Bit of advice, make sure the bike has toe-clips, my foot slipped off the pedal a few years back, and the pedal tore the crap out of the back of my leg, was hobbling for weeks."
"Gee, thanks Hillz, I always know you were a good egg."
"No problemo. Later!"

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Jun 24 2022 5:03 utc | 200

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