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Montreal’s La Presse enters into the myriad of topics collected around climate change. Or is it politics they are reporting?? Anyhow -

Extreme heat in America’s south-west (with a map, b style, even in UTC time!)
https://www.lapresse.ca/international/etats-unis/2022-06-10/chaleur-extreme-dans-le-sud-ouest-americain.php

Inflation, hungry Canadians (climate change related, no?)
https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/economie/2022-06-10/inflation/les-canadiens-en-arrachent.php

PM Trudeau and PM Mottley of Barbados meet bilaterally
https://www.lapresse.ca/international/etats-unis/2022-06-08/sommet-des-ameriques/la-barbade-veut-que-le-monde-voie-la-crise-climatique.php

“« Nous avons affronté une triple crise au cours des dernières années », a dit la première ministre Mottley lors d’une séance photo avec M. Trudeau.
Plus spécifiquement, elle a parlé d’une « crise existentielle » du climat, de la COVID-19 et de l’inflation galopante provoquée par la pandémie et aggravée par l’invasion de l’Ukraine par le régime de Vladimir Poutine.
De plus, Mme Mottley a fait mention d’un autre grave problème, soit celui de la résistance antimicrobienne dans sa région du monde. Cela a pour conséquence de rendre les médicaments et les traitements inefficaces, entraînant la mort de 1,2 million de personnes chaque année.”

That level of microbial resistance speaks of a golden opportunity for extortion to me. But hey not everywhere is Montreal-New York. :-) Speaking of which.

How it feels for me to see this tranquil transport bridge open between Russia and China… so not possible in certain other situations (or only with extreme conditions but maybe that’s just my outdated view.)

https://www.lapresse.ca/international/asie-et-oceanie/2022-06-10/inauguration-du-premier-pont-reliant-la-russie-et-la-chine.php

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 10 2022 13:36 utc | 1

For those who actually want to learn something about climate science:

HOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS CONTROL THE CLIMATE PART 1 - 15 minute youtube

Note that the GCM models - the models which supposedly "science, physics" model climate so accurately up to 100 years into the future, but which have not accurately modeled climate for the past 20 years. The climate models divide the earth into a grid, but the minimum grid side is between 250 and 600 km in size:
IPCC GCM guide source

As such, these grids are too large to even theoretically model the actual real world behavior of anything significantly smaller than the 250km to 600km grid size - i.e. tornadoes, thunderstorms, etc etc.

The presentation is based on a peer-reviewed paper: "Global climatology and trends in convective environments from ERA5 and rawinsonde data" by Taszarek, Allen, Marchio and Brooks.

HOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS CONTROL THE CLIMATE PART 2 - 10 minute youtube

Part 2 covers how the above cells actually affect weather via the location of the ITCZ: the Intertropical Convergence Zone.

In particular, the presentation notes that there is historical data on the ITCZ line; that the ITCZ's long term trends in placement is what is drives weather at decadal scales and that the ITCZ had shifted from one extreme position during the LIA to the opposite extreme position - hence the recent warming.

The 2nd part is great because it shows actual satellite photos illustrating the core concepts - which in turn explain why any number of global weather exists ranging from the Mediterranean climate to the SE Asia monsoon.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 14:10 utc | 2

Marie-Antoinette, 1770: "Let them eat cake!"
Von der Leyen, 2022: "Let them drive electric!"

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 10 2022 14:19 utc | 3

@ Passerby | Jun 10 2022 14:19 utc | 3

. . . also Debbie Stabenow, 2022: "Let them drive electric!"

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 10 2022 14:23 utc | 4

Interesting read by Engdahl

Increasing evidence is coming to light detailing the hijacking of the core of the American elections system that not only sheds light on the 2020 US elections, but also on private financing the very infrastructure of local election clerks and election procedures including drop-box mail-in balloting and expenses of city and county election offices.

The room for abuse is staggering as the process is not transparent. At the heart of this is a little-known “non-profit” known as the oddly-named Center for Tech and Civic Life or CTCL. The alleged creator of CTCL and current head is a former Obama Foundation Fellow, Tiana Epps-Johnson.

A close scrutiny of her CTCL funders and operations suggest she was simply chosen as a convenient vehicle by very powerful foundations and Big Tech companies to transform the very structure and control of the American elections process.


Zuckerberg, Rockefeller, Google and the Privatization of Election Integrity

Posted by: Down South | Jun 10 2022 14:24 utc | 5

c1ue@2
It is hard to understand why it is so important to people like you to attempt to deny the possibility of anthropogenic climate change?
It is easy to see why those who believe that it is happening feel that urgent action is required.
But if, as you insist, it is not happening, and there is no reason to worry about it, what is it that prompts you to go to these lengths to say so?
Is it an abstract love of truth?
Hardly: it is not evidenced in your other posts.
That you have business interests which might be prejudiced by measures taken to prevent or remediate climate change, we know. But is this forum such an important place that influencing it is worth while economically?
Perhaps it is a subject in which you consider yourself to be a specialist and feel bound to share your knowledge.
If this is the case I'm sure the entire tavern would join me in thanking you for your kindness. But you really ought not to take the trouble.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 14:27 utc | 6

@bevin #6
It is hard to understand why people like you cannot seem to tolerate any questioning of the supposed science behind climate change.

As for why I would resist, it is so simple to answer:
1) The costs and impacts of the proposed climate change mitigation are absolutely enormous.
2) The negative effects will be entirely borne by the poorest parts of society and the world.
3) The imposition of climate requirements also conveniently cements the present economic world order

As such, while I have no worries about the above mentioned climate change impacts actually affecting climate to a significant degree - by the climate change doom mongers' own calculations - the economic effects very much are enormous and negative.

I laugh out loud at the "economic interests" thing.

I make my living as a cyber security expert at the moment but I am actually standing to benefit from the climate change bullshit - via a new startup aiming to take advantage of the enormous amounts of wasted electricity generated by solar PV and wind. So in a real sense, I am actually talking against my own book.

That's what true intellectual honesty entails.

I have to say, I had thought you to be a relatively objective person but it is clear that you have climate derangement syndrome - including both blind faith in what you are told concerning the science and the unquestioning acceptance of the most ridiculous garbage told to you by those who you accept as co-secular religionists.

So be it.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 14:43 utc | 7

https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/navy-aircraft-carriers-useless-war-china-taiwan/

This suggests something of enormous importance. It seems to say that if China can track carriers with accuracy, the US effort to extend military power toward Taiwan is doomed. Given satellite tracking and remote sensors possibly scattered throughout the South China Sea, it seems grossly naive to think that this vulnerability isn't going to happen.

And then in lock step, they can't save Taiwan and US hegemony is fatally wounded.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 10 2022 14:48 utc | 8

And then in lock step, they can't save Taiwan and US hegemony is fatally wounded.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 10 2022 14:48 utc | 8

Thanks for bringing that up. The problem which precision guided missiles present for large expeditionary weapons platforms has been clear since there were such things. The US military is a big fan of large expeditionary weapons platforms and has been resisting that truth for some time. But I think that is about over.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 10 2022 15:03 utc | 9

Chronicles of Democracy.

At the recent "Freedom Forum" in Oslo, Norway, visitors could trample on the portraits of "world tyrants", including Putin (of course), Xi Jinping, Assad, Maduro, and also... Erdogan (yes, one NATO country allows you to trample on a portrait with your feet leader of another NATO country).

Is it possible to imagine that in Moscow or Beijing someone would have thought of trampling down portraits of world leaders with their feet? Unthinkable. In Norway it is possible.

Nothing supernatural, just barbarism of the XXI century, hiding behind the self-assigned title of "democracy".

Posted by: alaff | Jun 10 2022 15:05 utc | 10

@ Eighthman | Jun 10 2022 14:48 utc | 8
@ Bemildred | Jun 10 2022 15:03 utc | 9
Aircraft carriers are obsolete. They became popular when aircraft range exceeded gunfire range, making battleships obsolete. Now missile range has (greatly) exceeded aircraft range.
But the US keeps at it because it's expensive, a good thing. Carriers at $13B, aircraft at $200M, plus accompanying destroyers etc -- it's all good, enriching lots of people in and out of government.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2022 15:08 utc | 11

Nothing supernatural, just barbarism of the XXI century, hiding behind the self-assigned title of "democracy".

Posted by: alaff | Jun 10 2022 15:05 utc | 10

Yes, I continually marvel at what small-minded, vindictive bunch of sparrow-farts these people who run "foreign-policy" in the West are. It's like High-School again.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 10 2022 15:11 utc | 12

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2022 15:08 utc | 11

Totally agree. We love big platforms, cost lots $$$$.

Making your weapons as expensive as possible has always seemed like a unlikely way to win a war, but that is clearly not what we care about these days. We seek the one big weapon.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 10 2022 15:16 utc | 13

@Eighthman #8
Tracking aircraft carriers is trivial.
Even discounting sensor nets and satellites, the carriers all use extensive radar systems - for flight control as well as to detect incoming threats.
The ability to triangulate on a radar signal, from far, far beyond its effective range, is rudimentary. There are even public patents on it even: Method for detecting the presence of radar signal emitters, an electronic support measures unit and a system for determining the position and identity of said emitters

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 15:21 utc | 14

On the China/US scene there is the quote below from a ZH posting


China has once again firmly denied providing military assistance to Russia at any point in its invasion to Ukraine, a Chinese military spokesman said after bilateral talks with the United States military. US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chinese Minister of National Defense Gen. Wei Fenghe met Friday in Singapore, in what marked their first face-to-face summit. The two had previously discussed the Russia-Ukraine war via phone.

The meeting was held on the sidelines of the Shangri-la Dialogue, a major regional defense summit. Austin's meeting with his Chinese counterpart lasted nearly an hour, though it was only scheduled for thirty minutes. A Pentagon readout of the meeting said that Austin informed Wei that the US "remains committed to our longstanding one China policy" regarding the status of Taiwan. This after Biden in a May press conference said the US is committed to defending Taiwan militarily - comments later walked back by the White House.


Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 10 2022 15:33 utc | 15

ReTweet, the Tweet says, so I thought I would.

Clicking here there and everywhere, I arrive at a NATO Tweet about Portuguese Marines, sent to Klaipeda, Lithuania. This, after a series of Tweets from NATO recognizing Germany’s Scholz for (in this order): stepping up further in Lithuania; allocating funds to a defence fund; strong support for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1535183911957020672

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 10 2022 15:37 utc | 16

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 14:43 utc |
It is hard to understand why people like you cannot seem to tolerate any questioning of the supposed science behind climate change.
Only as presented by a clearly disingenuous person.

As for why I would resist, it is so simple to answer:
1) The costs and impacts of the proposed climate change mitigation are absolutely enormous.

Please expound.

2) The negative effects will be entirely borne by the poorest parts of society and the world.

Oh really??? Are you talking about the black kid taking a bus in Chicago or a Chinese peasant? Name the people you’re talking about here and explain how the people you’re talking about otherwise have a chance to become anything other than dirt poor insofar as the costs you're talking about re: fossil fuels vs. alternative energy.

3) The imposition of climate requirements also conveniently cements the present economic world order

LOL, how? Same as the previous question. Is it Al Gore you’re talking about? What exactly is the present economic world order? Would the black kid riding the bus and Chinese peasant have a better chance of turning that order upside down if we gave them each oil leases? LMAO

The present order in the Western world is pretty much unbreakable without political change and/or upheaval. Gas prices are already at record highs while the cost of a barrel of oil isn't. Big fossil fuel companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

I make my living as a cyber security expert at the moment

Cementing my certainty that you're the "entrepreneur" dude from the YouTube videos you keep hawking/hocking around these parts (the ones I have the rebuttal to on my other PC bookmarked ). That’s the only reason I can think of you’d get so pissy about the comments I made about his lack of scientific credentials. You even went as far as to say I was using ad hominem. At the moment, lol. Jack of all trades, master of none? Looking for 'influencer' status on YouTube? Even if you're not that guy, who cares. So be it.

P.S. I am actually working (for a living) today so I don't have time to go back and forth with you until later in the afternoon. Don't let that stop you from trying to find a juvenile and insulting way to characterize my solar panels or degrees in the scientific field, but also don't expect immediate replies.

P.P.S. WTF did you mean by: "...to take advantage of the enormous amounts of wasted electricity generated by solar PV and wind."

Wasted electricity? Can you please explain that, in context, without a bunch of stupid equations?


Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 10 2022 15:41 utc | 17

I see only one way out of the Taiwan dilemma that isn't disasterous. They open the US to a flood of Taiwanese immigrants and abandon the nation. Every other scenario ends in WWIII, a carrier suicide mission or economic disaster for the US, cutting its own throat EU style with sanctions on China they can't afford.

For China, they do EMP weapons, precision strikes on airfields and a blockade. Looking at how the Pentagon 'corrects' the White House these days, maybe they realize this outcome. OTOH, I can also see a takeover by a junta - that would allow this - if US election legitimacy and domestic terror ( abortion and more) get worse.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 10 2022 15:44 utc | 18

Inflation hits new 40 year high of 8.6%

source politico

What is scary is that we aren't seeing the fertilizer related food spikes yet.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 15:47 utc | 19

Below is a link to an American comic many know by the name of Dilbert

https://dilbert.com/

Over the past week the focus of the daily strip has turned to Big Pharma and the purchase/corruption of the market. I encourage all to enjoy the not-so-humorous outing of Big Pharma as it rolls along.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 10 2022 15:47 utc | 20

"...As for why I would resist, it is so simple to answer:
1) The costs and impacts of the proposed climate change mitigation are absolutely enormous.
2) The negative effects will be entirely borne by the poorest parts of society and the world.
3) The imposition of climate requirements also conveniently cements the present economic world order..."
c1ue@7
I wouldn't disagree with any of these propositions, which merely confirm the nature of class society. Whether the ruling class promotes or contradicts Climate Change theories (and it does both) is of little importance. It will always make attempts to cut the living standards of the masses: the poorest people always suffer. Were this not true they would not be poor. Were they not poor they would be better equipped to defend their interests.
In other words while your third proposition is correct, it would also be correct to say "The effects of climate change will make life particularly difficult for the poor and disenfrachised. "
Where does this lead us?
To the conclusion that the real problem, to which I always try to draw attention, is that in a class society it is very difficult, bordering on impossible, for matters like climate change to be discussed properly- such is the hegemonic position of the capitalist oligarchy.
What you are promoting is a theory that, for some reason never, so far as I can tell, explained nefarious interests within society are attempting to mislead us into believing that anthropogenic warming is under weigh and dangerous.
Who are these nefarious interests and what is their motive?

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 15:50 utc | 21

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 14:43 utc |

RE: #2 in yours and my comments.

Also please explain how the poorest people in the world aren't also the ones suffering the most due to AGW and its deleterious effects on the environment - and - exactly what you think more "cheap" fossil fuels (and/or less alternative energy) are going to do to alleviate their situation (droughts, storms, record heat, etc.) and bring them out of poverty. I'm thinking Africa or Pacific Island nations here, or, even some guy in Brazil who gets to cut down a bunch of tropical forest to graze cattle.

P.P.P.S - As to the notion that models can't predict individual tornadoes, are you serious? Did anyone say that they could?

I'll be back to read your replies later.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 10 2022 15:50 utc | 22

Who are these nefarious interests and what is their motive?
Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 15:50 utc | 21

Clearly he's talking about Al Gore. But in seriousness, he's probably talking about all the hucksters and "entrepreneurs" in the alternative energy space of the capitalist class structure like Elon Musk.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 10 2022 15:52 utc | 23

Further to my comment @ 16

(Note to self, must remember, always l click the News tab when searching for something like what and where the heck is Klaipeda)

Google links under News — Port of Klaipeda, offshore wind project approved, railway links, high speed ship, more LNG customers for its terminals …

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 10 2022 16:00 utc | 24

@Tom_Q_Collins #17

As for why I would resist, it is so simple to answer: 1) The costs and impacts of the proposed climate change mitigation are absolutely enormous.

Please expound.


Compare the subsidies to alternative energy in Germany and the US, alone, vs. pretty much any social program you care to name.

2) The negative effects will be entirely borne by the poorest parts of society and the world.

Oh really??? Are you talking about the black kid taking a bus in Chicago or a Chinese peasant? Name the people you’re talking about here and explain how the people you’re talking about otherwise have a chance to become anything other than dirt poor insofar as the costs you're talking about re: fossil fuels vs. alternative energy.

Alternative energy = higher electricity prices. Every single utility, state or nation that has installed large amounts of alternative energy has seen electricity prices increase at multiples of the rates of anywhere else. Rich and middle class can afford more expensive electricity, poor people cannot.

The same applies for gasoline etc etc.

3) The imposition of climate requirements also conveniently cements the present economic world order

LOL, how? Same as the previous question. Is it Al Gore you’re talking about? What exactly is the present economic world order? Would the black kid riding the bus and Chinese peasant have a better chance of turning that order upside down if we gave them each oil leases? LMAO

The present order in the Western world is pretty much unbreakable without political change and/or upheaval. Gas prices are already at record highs while the cost of a barrel of oil isn't. Big fossil fuel companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

Wow, what a completely nonsensical response. The reality is: alternative energy LCOEs obscure the fact that these technologies require enormous up-front payments of capital. Poor people and/or countries don't have this capital, nor can they afford the more expensive power that results from them.

I make my living as a cyber security expert at the moment

Cementing my certainty that you're the "entrepreneur" dude from the YouTube videos you keep hawking/hocking around these parts (the ones I have the rebuttal to on my other PC bookmarked ). That’s the only reason I can think of you’d get so pissy about the comments I made about his lack of scientific credentials. You even went as far as to say I was using ad hominem. At the moment, lol. Jack of all trades, master of none? Looking for 'influencer' status on YouTube? Even if you're not that guy, who cares. So be it.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, since I literally have never once posted a video of anything I am involved with: not as publisher, not as investor, not as subject, not as author. More idiocy because you people can't do anything but resort to ad hominem.

P.S. I am actually working (for a living) today so I don't have time to go back and forth with you until later in the afternoon. Don't let that stop you from trying to find a juvenile and insulting way to characterize my solar panels or degrees in the scientific field, but also don't expect immediate replies.

Your insults and ad hominem only provoke a similar response from me, and I have no problem dishing it out as well as taking it.

P.P.S. WTF did you mean by: "...to take advantage of the enormous amounts of wasted electricity generated by solar PV and wind."

Wasted electricity? Can you please explain that, in context, without a bunch of stupid equations?

Yes, because you can't read what I've talked about numerous times. Wind and solar PV are directly responsible for at least 40 million megawatt hours of curtailed electricity every year. Curtailed = utility speak for thrown away, only utilities have to actually pay to do so.

Nor is this cost figured into LCOEs for alternative energy, as backup costs are also not figured into LCOE.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 16:03 utc | 25

Great news story from a recent National Enquirer. Yes, the Enquirer. For all those turning up their noses or worse, the facts of life are that the supermarket tabloids' reporters are among the very last journalists out there who actually hunt for stories and do the necessary research legwork that real reportage requires. Most all reportage otherwise nowadays is just rewriting press releases, and shoehorning them into the Official Reporter's Guide and Stylebook. Real problem with the Enquirer is that their reporters' efforts are mostly all wasted on accounts of Hollywood celebrities who we are all supposed to know and care about, and which one is sleeping with the other one. But there are exceptions, and it isn't an accident that the Jim and Tammy Bakker story was broken by them, and them only. That one was out in the open for anyone for a long time, but nobody in journoland had guts enough to dig into that one.

Anyway, the May 16 issue has a story on Biden's dementia worsening. Various accounts of disturbing actions and behaviors, but my favorite is that at the annual White House Easter Egg Hunt, it seems as Joe Biden was talking with the kiddies, in the company of a White House staffer dressed up in full Easter Bunny costume. Biden wanders off track with the kiddies, and starts rambling about Afghanistan and Iraq to them, which the kiddos no doubt started to find disturbing. The White House aide in the Easter Bunny costume takes Joe by the shoulder and walks him back to the Oval Office.

Yep, folks, the President of the United States of America is escorted off stage by the Easter Bunny. I love it.

Remember too, that I read the Enquirer so you don't have to.

https://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/biden-mental-fog-is-getting-worse/

Posted by: Daniel N. White | Jun 10 2022 16:06 utc | 26

@bevin #21
The fallacy in your statement is that the negative effects of climate change are equal or worse, today and in the near future, with the negative effects of climate change mitigation as being pushed today.

And that's what you cannot seem to comprehend: just because someone is pushing an agenda that is outwardly attractive to you, does not mean the proposition cannot be false or that those pushing it are seeking their own self interest at the expense of you and others.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 16:06 utc | 27

@Tom_Q_Collins #22
The poorest people in the world suffer because they have insufficient food, energy and opportunity.
The effects of weather/climate are small compared to those.
All things considered, making the poorest of the world better fed, better transport, better education, better infrastructure, etc is a positive impact whereas expensive energy does the exact opposite.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 16:09 utc | 28

Politico's lying as inflation is double what it stated at 17% and climbing. All USG economic numbers are Fantasyland falsifications.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 16:09 utc | 29

Ok, so in the wild fever dream I’ve had while watching news and events this past week, I’ve formed a picture of German politics:

CDU - Nazi legacy/sympathisers, big industry
AfD - ultra nationalists
Green - Anglos who speak German
FDP - medium sized business interests maybe?
Linke - … not in the news much… I’ll say… traditional left, local working class
SPD - … monarchists??

Scandalous! Germans and your discretion!!

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 10 2022 16:19 utc | 30

We must stop this and take our freedom and our world back from these monsters!
While the war in Ukraine and its evolving consequences are the center of concern, humanity is about to be victimized again by the terrorist corporate-military/intelligence - medical-political-media complex by the unnatural spread of ‘monkeypox’, as stated by ethical experts. As a new, more dangerous ‘variant’ of Sars cov 2/Covid is also being forecast, we can not pretend that another catastrophe is not in the making. We must stop this and take our freedom and our world back from these monsters.
Contrary to the mountain of evidence, growing daily, that: there was no pandemic, but a PCR test (not a diognastic tool) created pandemic; that there is no novel virus, but a bio weapon deliberately spread (see dr David Martin);that the use of cheap, effective and safe existing medication was prohibited causing thousands of unnecessary deaths; that the vaccines, pushed as the only remedy, and recommended as safe and effective, were neither; that these gene injections were given experimental use authorization contrary to regulations and warnings from ethical medical professionals and academics; that their concerns, requests and findings were ignored by the main regulatory bodies (WHO, EMA, CDC etc) and banned from the media and social networks; that ethical medical professionals have been persecuted, some even held in insane asylums; that the warnings of these ethical doctors have all proven true; that the vaccines are unnecessary, unsafe, dangerous and deadly; that they have caused thousands of deaths and millions of severe adverse effects (as per under-reported official adverse effects registers, state and international); that the anti-pandemic measures were the opposite of established epidemic control and wholly ineffective or harmful; that those measures were imposed in order to unlawfully and criminally force vaccination on everyone, including children, and mandate the digital certificate and digital ID with the purpose of total control of the restive world populations in order to preserve the privileges, wealth and power of the capitalist class. For all this there is evidence which would be too long to cite here (I have a 170-page file).
Members of the medical profession who have remained true to their oath have proclaimed the pandemic over, and are insisting that the vaccination stop and the MrNA techonology be banned from use. The head of the WHO, recently re-elected behind closed doors as the only candidate for the post, has just announced that the pandemic is not over and has called for more testing and more vaccination. See:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qETuXpndOV4h/ Global Health Summit
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/06/1119982 Tedros (WHO) 08.06.2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ2vRDSq-1Q Dr Christian Perronne on monkeypox with Taylor Hudak
Dr David Martin, tells it all, recent: https://www.bitchute.com/video/45XTJjEOWWBp/
https://lorphicweb.com/covid-update-what-is-the-truth-this-is-a-must-read/ - just one example
For those interested:
Doctors for Covid Ethics fourth symposium: Unpacking and defeating the medical tactics of a world takeover. Watch the livestream: June 11th 16.30 – 23.30 CET: 15:30- 22:30 BST http://ukcolumn.org
https://doctors4covidethics.org/blog/ - recommended reading

Posted by: JB | Jun 10 2022 16:27 utc | 31

Consortium News has an article by Chris Hedges about Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant.

How to Defeat the Billionaire Class

Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant and the Socialist Alternative (SA) party have, for nearly a decade, waged one of the most effective battles against the city’s moneyed elites. She and the SA have adopted a series of unorthodox methods to fight the ruling oligarchs and, in that confrontation, exposed the Democratic Party leadership as craven tools of the billionaire class. Her success is one that should be closely studied and replicated in city after city if we are to dismantle corporate tyranny.

Sawant, who lives on $40,000 of her $140,000 salary and places the rest into a political fund that she uses for social justice campaigns, helped lead the fight in 2014 that made Seattle the first major American city to mandate a $15 an hour minimum wage.

Following a three-year struggle against Jeff Bezos, one of the world’s richest men, she and her allies pushed through a tax on big business that increased city revenues by an estimated $231 million a year.

“The way to run a strong electoral campaign is to, as I said, completely reject personality politics, completely reject careerism, and build political organizations like Socialist Alternative. Except we need far bigger organizations where we can hold our elected representatives and other leaders in the organization accountable in the program of demands that we are fighting around. This becomes the central focus, not those individuals who could then use those positions to build their own careers by making themselves useful to the ruling class. That’s what we need to reject.”

Excellent reporting, and the piece emphasizes her stance that the Democratic Party is not an ally of the people. It also touches on other successful grassroots movements including the successful unionization of a Staten Island Amazon workplace, which won a $30 minimum wage and the right to work fulltime, which is a win against the common strategy to leave workers without healthcare and other benefits by classifying them as part time workers.

Posted by: jonku | Jun 10 2022 16:29 utc | 32

while everyone focuses on ukraine, the idiots in kahaneistan keep screwing about in syria. as in ukraine, russian air defense handles most of it.

not surprising but i have to wonder how russia's views are shifting given this ongoing nonsense and the sporadic(?) aid to azov types. i know the two countries (well, one country and a glorified US military base) have deep relations (lots of russian and former bloc folks in israel) but at some point something has to give.

Posted by: the pair | Jun 10 2022 16:32 utc | 33

@6 bevin

The youth and minorities have always been a back door for communists to infiltrate the U.S..

Here is Zora Neale Hurston, one of the greatest writers in America past or present, negro or not, articulating why the negro should not choose communism.

One can make a million different reasoned arguments to youth today, especially as they are going through terrible indoctrination in academia, about the hardship they will face if they do not have a good understanding of this reality in the U.S. Never mind their idea of not having a shit job for life because of their retardation, American kids have never been more alienated from a meaning-giving labor than today. Partly due to technological alienation and partly due to ideologically-driven alienation in the form of what today passes for leftism in academia.

Suffice to say that those who seek to further instill in our youth the idea of global catastrophe, of a united (read: communist) government to combat this ecological original sin, deserve only our slander now and forever.

While I have always maintained that the premise of the climatists assertions is sound (technologically-driven ecological devastation), when it comes to technology's uprooting of tradition and values through globalism, they, the climatists, take a step even further (psychotically enough) by advising a green revolution (read: communism) where this technological alienation is embedded in our Dasein to an even greater degree, although now obscured further under the guise of moral technologicalism. Communists want to turn further technological alienation into a moral good.

Such evil in these people.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 10 2022 16:33 utc | 34

Moscow strongly condemns Zionists for today's attack on Damascus's International Airport:

In the early morning of June 10, the Israeli Air Force once again struck at the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic. The target of the attack was the international airport of Damascus. According to incoming information, the airfield suffered serious material damage. The runway was damaged, which Syrian technical services estimate could take a considerable amount of time to rebuild. The Ministry of Transport of the SAR announced the suspension of all flights carried out through the capital's air harbor.

In this regard, we are forced to emphasize once again that the ongoing Israeli shelling of the territory of the SAR in violation of the basic norms of international law is absolutely unacceptable. We strongly condemn Israel's provocative attack on a critical Piece of Syrian civilian infrastructure. Such irresponsible actions pose serious risks to international air traffic and put the lives of innocent people in real danger. We demand that the Israeli side cease this vicious practice.

Occupied Palestine is escalating its belligerence in the region. Overshadowed by the SMO, the Syrian situation is escalating and bears watching.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 16:35 utc | 35

At the end of the previous thread, I linked to an article proving the Quad's death.

This article informs us AUKUS was called out for its violations of the NPT. So, we have the Outlaw US Empire violating the Biological Weapons Treaty and the Non Proliferation Treaty along with its continual violations of the UN Charter.

"The three countries cannot repeatedly stick heads in the sand and must earnestly fulfill their legal obligations on non-proliferation. As a nonnuclear weapon state under the NPT, Australia must promptly and comprehensively declare its nuclear weapons materials and related facilities at all stages, Wang said, noting paper cannot wrap up fire."

IMO, this isn't a case of sticking heads in sand; rather, it's a case of thumbing their noses to the entire world--Fuck You!! We'll do whatever we want!! is the message as usual.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 16:44 utc | 36

In Kazan, the International Congress on Eurasian Integration is being held. Lavrov sent a short note of welcome from Armenia:

I cordially welcome the participants and organizers of the Kazan International Congress of Eurasian Integration-2022.

In modern conditions, our strategic task is to strengthen the Eurasian Economic Union.

The EAEU is a modern and relatively young integration association, which has already proved its viability and effectiveness. However, the world is changing, but, as you know, the crisis is a time of opportunities, including for our Union and its members.

The Kazan International Congress of Eurasian Integration is an excellent platform for exchanging experience, consolidating efforts and establishing cooperation in the development of the EAEU, its transformation in accordance with the new reality.

I hope that you will be able to contribute to improving the activities of the Eurasian Economic Union, and the ideas and recommendations you have expressed will be in demand and will serve to further deepen our integration and achieve its goals.

I sincerely wish you successful and fruitful work.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 16:50 utc | 37

@34 addendum

Oops, "slander" isn't the best word there. Can you tell I ain't no academic?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 10 2022 16:52 utc | 38

Lavrov's presser after the meeting of the CSTO Council of Foreign Ministers began with the following statement:

The meeting of the CSTO Council of Foreign Ministers has ended. We adopted an important statement on international security, which, for the first time within the framework of the CSTO, enshrines the principle of the indivisibility of security, the need to ensure equal and indivisible security, when no country will strengthen its security at the expense of the security of any other country. This principle was proclaimed a long time ago within the OSCE as a political commitment, but our Western colleagues categorically refuse to implement it in practice and demanded the provision of legal security guarantees exclusively within the framework of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Today we reaffirmed our commitment to this principle not only in the OSCE area, but also in the development of the entire international situation. The relevance of asserting the indivisibility of security is now evident in the Indo-Pacific region.

Our Chinese strategic partners stress the need to apply the principle of indivisibility of security in a global context.

The second document that was signed is a rich Plan of Consultations between the Foreign Ministries and the Defence Ministries. It involves coordinating actions in the Euro-Atlantic region (this is the OSCE space), approaches to the agenda of the UN General Assembly and consultations on various regional crises and conflicts. A number of events are devoted to coordinating positions on international information security and cybercrime. Consultations will be held on the military line, military-technical cooperation, the development of collective air forces and other aspects, including the training of CSTO peacekeeping contingents to participate in peacekeeping operations conducted through the UN.

A separate point of the Plan involves regular consultations between the press services of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

This is a very important development. A short Q&A session followed:

Question: You said recently in an interview that the CSTO should become a decisive factor in ensuring security in the entire Eurotlantic, as opposed to NATO. NATO already has 30 and soon there will be two more states, and the CSTO has only six. How do you intend to solve these problems? Will the CSTO expand? What will be Russia's role in all this?

Sergey Lavrov: We have never talked about the leading role of the CSTO. We have always stressed our commitment to the OSCE decisions that declared the inadmissibility of attempts by any country and organization to claim a dominant position in the Euro-Atlantic region, which NATO is actively engaged in. Therefore, the CSTO acts as a balancer of actions that, as a rule, are illegitimately taken by the North Atlantic Alliance.

As for the quantitative composition. There is quantity, and there is quality, both in terms of the states themselves that are part of a particular military-political alliance, and in terms of existing defensive capabilities. We have repeatedly suggested that our NATO colleagues on behalf of the CSTO (this was done for the first time many years ago at the level of heads of state and foreign ministers) start a dialogue and establish mechanisms for interaction and consultations. NATO arrogantly refused. I think that it has already become clear to everyone that they cannot decide the fate of Europe.

Question: Yesterday, President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky imposed sanctions against the Russian leadership, including President of Russia Vladimir Putin and you. Will Moscow take any retaliatory measures in this regard?

Sergey Lavrov: I don't think this is worthy of any concrete step on our part: "Whatever the child does"...

Question: A court in the DPR sentenced to death three foreigners who took part in hostilities on the side of Ukraine. Dmitry Pushilin said that the tribunal for those released from Azovstal will be held before the end of the summer. At the same time, DPR Prime Minister Vladimir Khotsenko said that the republic's integration with the Russian Federation is already underway and that one of its tasks is to unify the DPR legislation with the Russian one. Does the Azovstal tribunal mean that people who come out of there will also face the death penalty? And given that Russia has a moratorium on the death penalty, can we expect that in the near future this punishment in the DPR will be canceled?

Sergey Lavrov: At the moment, all the processes you mentioned are proceeding on the basis of DPR legislation. The crimes in question were committed in the territory of the republic. Everything else is a subject for speculation. I would not introduce myself into the work of the judicial law enforcement system of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Question: I would like to draw your attention to the recent statements made by the Polish president. He said a lot of things. His most egregious statement, in which he drew a parallel between Vladimir Putin and A. Hitler, also said that in no case should the leaders of France and Germany enter into direct contact with the Russian authorities in order to resolve the Ukrainian issue. How can you respond to that? Does this mean that Poland has completely abandoned a diplomatic solution to the issue?

Sergey Lavrov: I am not compared to anyone? Ribbentrop?

It is difficult to comment on the statements of many European politicians (and Ukrainian too). Poland and its leaders, who allow such maxims, are better advised to study their own history, the events underlying it. We see that behind the talk about the inadmissibility of dialogue with Russia, Polish colleagues are beginning to actively "develop" Ukrainian territory. Relevant decisions taken by President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Verkhovna Rada on the special rights of Poles, which are essentially equal to Ukrainians in everything except the right to vote; the recent report that Poland is creating some kind of parallel system of control of the tax service of Ukraine – all this speaks volumes quite eloquently.

As for statements that neither England nor France needed to talk to Russia, I heard other assessments, including from Paris and Berlin. Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Emmanuel Macron once expressed serious disappointment with the actions of the Eu Russophobes, who blocked the initiative of France and Germany to hold an EU summit with President Vladimir Putin. They are reasonable politicians, they understood the need to look for a way out of the crisis that had been accumulating for years. First of all, it was aggravated by Zelensky's categorical refusal to implement the Minsk agreements. You know all that.

We are still open to dialogue, but you need to dance tango together. Our Western partners are still engaged in break-dancing alone.

Lavrov's quips are appreciated.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 17:01 utc | 39

What in hell is a “stupid equation “?

Posted by: Platero | Jun 10 2022 17:02 utc | 40

@ karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 16:35 utc | 35
The runway was damaged, which Syrian technical services estimate could take a considerable amount of time to rebuild.

from the files, five years ago

Syrian warplanes have reportedly taken off from the air base targeted by US air strikes, less than 24 hours after it was pounded by dozens of US cruise missiles. .. . Col. Hassan Hamade, a Syrian pilot who defected in June 2012 when he landed his MiG-21 in Jordan, agreed. "The bombardment of Shayrat will not have a major effect on military operations of the regime," said Mr Hamade, speaking to The Associated Press. He said if only the tarmac was destroyed it can be fixed within hours, but if the communications system and the control tower were heavily damaged it will take weeks if not months.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 10 2022 17:10 utc | 41

I just posted the last segment of Putin's long discussion with young entrepreneurs and students prior to their participation in this weekend's 25th SPIF. To the few barflies who read the transcript and wrote excellent comments, thanks much for your feedback. Yes, it is a very long read, but its revelations are many and uplifting. Thanks to b for fixing the software to allow for longer commentary!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 17:22 utc | 42

NemesisCalling@34
You are beginning to sound like a character in a sequel to Dr Strangelove:

"The youth and minorities have always been a back door for communists to infiltrate the U.S.."

"Here is Zora Neale Hurston, one of the greatest writers in America past or present (???), negro or not, articulating why the negro should not choose communism."


"...Suffice to say that those who seek to further instill in our youth the idea of global catastrophe, of a united (read: communist) government to combat this ecological original sin, deserve only our slander now and forever..."

".. Such evil in these people."

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 17:26 utc | 43

Don Bacon @41--

Thanks for your reply. What has always enraged me about these strikes is the huge danger posed to innocents that's totally disregarded by the Zionists, which causes me to have zero sympathy for any of them in Occupied Palestine. And my contempt extends to the nations/Empires that planted those inhuman fucks there to begin with and has succored them ever since. Israel has no right to exist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 17:28 utc | 44

the pair | Jun 10 2022 16:32 utc | 33

Problems like the Middle East, Ukraine and many others around the world can only be fully resolved after the hegemon has been broken. Breaking the hegemon is now Putin's spoken intention fully supported by China as per the Chinese ambassador to Moscow.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2022 17:30 utc | 45

c1ue@27
This is incoherent. Perhaps projection. It is not easy to guess.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 17:30 utc | 46

@ 43 bevin

And your replies to me as of late are lacking anything of substance to refute them.

It must mean I am wearing your old ass out.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 10 2022 17:34 utc | 47

Just adding my 2 cents to the anthropogenic climate change debate.

From the point of view of pure physics and physical chemistry, if one takes millennia of stored energy out of the ground and adds it to the water and atmosphere, those 2 major heat sinks are going to become warmer. Unless the heat is radiated into space or absorbed by plants, neither of which is happening.

Unfortunately, the focus on adding miniscule amounts of atmospheric CO2 has dominated the debate. I tend to support the conservation of non-renewables, so the politics of reducing the irresponsible and wasteful use of oil and gas products does not bother me. But it is currently based on very bad science, which could ultimately harm the conservation movement.

We are still in a warming cycle coming out of the last ice age, where regional climates are generally experiencing higher highs and higher lows. It is difficult if not impossible for modelers to predict accurately how much of this effect is solar, how much is human and how much is "other". It is obvious that past climate change models vastly overestimated the effects of AWG.

The latest explanation of the failure of AGW models was attributing their overestimation to not sufficiently accounting for the effects of clouds. There is the key. Water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas and the one with the strongest negative feedback loop. As water vapor condenses, it transfers the heat to the surrounding air, which in turn allows it to hold more moisture, which transfers more heat... The resulting rainfall and lakes, rivers, streams all become gradually warmer.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 10 2022 17:38 utc | 48

Why is the Nazi Nemesis still allowed to post his garbage on this blog? Honest question.

Posted by: v | Jun 10 2022 18:02 utc | 49

Putin met today with the President of Turkmenistan, which some may not know is a declared Neutral Nation. For years, the Outlaw US Empire has tried to pry it away from its very longstanding close affiliation with Russia. Fortunately, its attempts have failed while relations between Russia and Turkmenistan continue to deepen. At the top of the transcript of their talks are links to the two sets of documents, the most important being the Declaration on Deepening the Strategic Partnership between the Russian Federation and Turkmenistan. Of greater interest is Putin's statement to the press after their meeting. Putin's opening remarks:

"This year is significant for Russian-Turkmen relations. April marked the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic ties, as well as the 20th anniversary of the signing of the fundamental Treaty between the Russian Federation and Turkmenistan on Friendship and Cooperation, which serves as a solid foundation for the entire complex of multifaceted interaction between our countries.

"The Declaration on Deepening Strategic Partnership, which we have just signed, sets out the priorities for joint work for the future in the political, trade, investment, cultural and humanitarian fields, and in the field of security, including biological and informational."

IMO, Russia's Central Asian "soft underside" is more secure than at anytime since 1991. Russia's economic development is being shared with all Central Asian nations and also stimulated by China's BRI.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 18:05 utc | 50

Hi from Turkiye

Turkey started to lay undersea pipes for Black Sea gas extraction:
https://sputniknews.com/20220606/turkey-to-build-deepwater-facility-for-gas-production-in-black-sea-reports-say-1096054455.html

"It is expected that in the first quarter of 2023, daily gas production will be 10 million cubic meters, the newspaper added."

Note that Turkey's trade deficit is almost equal to the imported energy for domestic needs. If completed the project could help to improve Turkey's independency and secure transitional period the world is going through.

Posted by: asehi | Jun 10 2022 18:33 utc | 51

Along with the sanctions, one big reason for Russia's big leap forward in food production was the forming of a state-owned agricultural equipment leasing company, Rosagroleasing". At the link is a report given to Putin by its CEO Pavel Kosov. Yes, the echoes of Collectivism ought to be ringing in many ears as this company acts as a nationwide cooperative that maximizes the productivity of farm mechanization. Here's a relevant snippet from the report:

"The dynamics of our indicators confirms the effectiveness of the company as a reliable partner for technical and technological modernization and the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation, which represents the shareholder in our country. Since 2018, we have tripled in terms of activity, increasing supplies from 17 billion rubles to 53 billion rubles.

"And here it is important to note, the slide shows that starting from 2020, including thanks to our programs, it was possible to reverse the long-term trend that has developed for decades, when more equipment was eliminated than was acquired. We see that since 2020, the volume of purchased equipment has become significantly higher, and the output, respectively, is less. We believe that this is also our merit." [My Emphasis]

What that indicates is the phasing out of older, less efficient equipment and implementation of the most modern and productive. And the results show. As I've noted before, much of what worked in the Soviet Era is being replicated with agriculture being but one example. Instead of farmers spending too much of their operating income on equipment that sits most of the year, the leasing company allows for farmers to only spend money on equipment when it's needed. The leasing company can thus afford to keep the best equipment in good repair and ready for use nationwide. These types of farmers coops were very popular at the beginning of the 20th Century in California and other progressive agricultural states but has mostly died out since the 1960s as older farmers retired and sold their land to housing developers. Also, the state leasing company doesn't need to make excessive profits to pay shareholders, which enables Russian farmers to be more competitive on global markets--one example of Hudson's admonition that governments acquire natural monopolies to make their economy's more efficient and competitive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 18:36 utc | 52

asehi @51--

Related to your comment is this item from yesterday dealing with the ongoing friction between Greece and Turkey. IMO, some trusted non-vested nation will need to convene negotiations aimed at satisfying the energy attainment issues in the Eastern Mediterranean region involving Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Palestine so that each can share in whatever abundance exists in the region. Otherwise, war is quite likely.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 18:48 utc | 53

The "concern" being uttered about the merc verdicts is crap given the infinite times the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals have broken international and their own domestic law. Assange being the most prominent case. And the trails of genuine Nazis have yet to be held.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 18:56 utc | 54

@karlof1, #36:

....So, we have the Outlaw US Empire violating the Biological Weapons Treaty and the Non Proliferation Treaty along with its continual violations of the UN Charter.

Yes indeed! It is well known that the USA has the most pervasive biological research labs around the world, and has been known to have experimented with various transmittal schemes of biological antigen for the so-called "Proof of functional gain". It has also been proved to have used biological/chemical weaponries in wars since the WW2. Yet, when the USA cadres tried to pin a 'guilty' label onto China for this COVID fiasco, the UN responded and actually went to do so in high profile. When China calls for equal treatment upon the USA, the UN kept its mouth shut and tail between the tail. This is the global justice of today. I really wonder why China even value UN so highly as a venue to pursue global cooperation in various pressing issues facing the human race.

The accusation of Xinjiang genocide is so ludicrous as to insult the intelligence of the audiences being preached to, yet highly placed scholars/politicians/scientists/journalists of the westwould still echo every silly comment coming from State Department, or MI6, or that propaganda outfit in Mid-town Manhattan.

The world is in very sad shape. Given the points I just made, I believe the human race deserves the shape it's in due to its own stupidity.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 10 2022 19:06 utc | 55

Meanwhile in real in the real world change returns to the agenda. In France legislative elections could lead to the election of a left wing coalition led by the irrepressible Melenchon:

" In the days following Macron’s re-election, Mélenchon and his team engineered what many had come to see as an impossible feat: a broad alliance of France’s deeply fractured left, united around a common policy platform and fielding a single candidate in each of France’s 577 constituencies.

"With just days to go before the first round of parliamentary elections on June 12, that coalition is polling neck-and-neck with Macron’s bloc, raising fears for the ruling party that it may fail to secure the absolute majority it looked guaranteed to win only weeks ago.

"Just as it helped Macron in the presidential contest, France’s two-round system of voting is likely to favour the ruling party’s candidates in parliamentary run-offs on June 19, their centrist pitch being ideally positioned to draw support from left or right, depending on the adversary. Still, Mélenchon’s gamble has helped redraw the political map and alter the balance of power......

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/as-france-returns-to-the-polls-can-melenchons-left-deprive-macron-of-a-majority/

In Italy too, changes are coming.
In both cases- in all cases- they are in large part consequences of EU responses to the SMO and the growing sense of economic insecurity gripping the people.
Similar conditions exist in the US and UK. The hour is coming. The man (and programme) is nowhere in sight.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 19:08 utc | 56

@karlof1,

boy! you are prodigious today. Keep them comin', as you for one usually make great ponderable points in this forum :-).

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 10 2022 19:09 utc | 57

Perhaps what is reported in this article should treated on the same par as Russia's manifesto in December, 2021.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1267817.shtml

China will fight to prevent any effort to split Taiwan from China. Splitting is yet precisely defined. It would be at China's discretion. It could even mean the sale of offensive weapons to China's traitors.

Xi Jinping has recently elevated the irritable antics of Japan to very high profile. It has defined the air surveyance zones including the Diaoyutai, and unfriendly entities will be fended off; China is holding high profile memoriam for Nanjing Massacre; China is explicitly pointing finger at Japan's emperor during WW2 as the number 1 war criminal, and ask for accountability. China will perpetuate these, and perhaps even increase the frequency. Afterall, there was 731 biolab issue and the 3-burn/kill/plunder war crimes yet to be addressed as yet. Take Russia's strategy: demilitarization; denazification, indemnification, on Japan!!!

First Japan. Then Uncle Sam next.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 10 2022 19:27 utc | 58

So if I understand the “no climate change” people, the basis of the argument is that human activity falls outside the bounds of the natural world. Is this correct? Nature “operates” a large number of cycles of various things, including carbon. Nature absolutely corrects these cycles when they get unbalanced, but it can be a slow process. But we’re injecting variables into natural cycle corrections.

I return to the simple question: are we part of nature and have an effect on it or are we outside of nature and have no significant effect on it?

Policy prescriptions are not fundamentally related to the underlying question or issues. Just because those are bad does not mean they’re unnecessary, it would only mean that we’re arriving at incorrect conclusions that inform behavior. Many of them are very poor choices for various reasons, the biggest one being the conceit that A. we can control nature and B. that we are outside it, which is the only way one can argue that we can control it. Or C. the solutions aren’t developed to address the problem but to advance certain sectors of capitalism.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 10 2022 19:41 utc | 59

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 10 2022 17:38 utc | 48

the effects were not overestimated, they were underestimated. and Lindzen's cloud hypothesis has not received any support, not because there is a conspiracy to silence him but because he could not support it. the fossil fuel campaign is based on bad science, a few geriatric physicists who don't do research in the field, and lying.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 10 2022 19:43 utc | 60

I just posted the last segment of Putin's long discussion with young entrepreneurs and students prior to their participation in this weekend's 25th SPIF. To the few barflies who read the transcript and wrote excellent comments, thanks much for your feedback. Yes, it is a very long read, but its revelations are many and uplifting. Thanks to b for fixing the software to allow for longer commentary!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 17:22 utc | 42

Thank you for posting this, which I've just finished reading. I was struck by the concrete, substantive discussion that took place between Putin and the various technological specialists. He seemed extraordinarily well-prepared, despite there undoubtedly being other current matters that draw much of his attention.

Posted by: David Levin | Jun 10 2022 20:29 utc | 61

It is not easy to guess.
@ bevin | Jun 10 2022 17:30 utc | 46

Good try, though: Asking a bunch of questions toward solving the puzzle we're faced with, twisting into sympathetic pretzels in order to understand -- there must be some chance -- somewhere we might find a trace of sincerity, obscured by fog, or at least a coherent theme to bind the fresh facts (newly retrieved from warm nether regions) with which we're so generously showered. E for effort!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 10 2022 21:00 utc | 62

David Levin @61--

Thanks for your reply. I see Putin's abilities reflected in those of the youth he frequently--at least four times annually--hears from. In Russia, No Child Gets Left Behind isn't a slogan but THE reality of its educational system which reflects the philosophy of Russia's leaders which goes back to Tsarist times. In Russia, it's realized that anyone could be the next celebrated expert in their field; and to realize that possibility, everyone must be given the opportunity to show what they can do. As with China, Russia's extremely keen on developing its Human Capital for as Putin pointed out that forms the basis for a cohesive society.

Oriental Voice @55, 57 &58--

Thanks for your replies and further commentary. IMO, both Xi and Putin are well aware of the corruption existing within the UN that debilitates its duties; yet, both are staunch defenders of the UN Charter because its ideals can't realistically be improved upon, while those running its agencies can. That position seems to be agreed with by many other nations as we witnessed with Wang Yi's tour of the South Pacific Island Nations. Once the Outlaw US Empire's corrosive efforts are curtailed and its compradors weeded out and replaced--something that could occur as soon as 2030--the UN will finally have the opportunity to fulfill its destiny, not as a global government as is often propagandized, but as the global meeting place for settling disputes and organizing collective efforts to advance humanity and the state of nature.

Any objective observer watching events on Earth since 1945 can see the Outlaw US Empire is THE biggest negative force keeping humanity from progressing; and when removed, the world's creative development will race forward as the focus shifts to developing the planet's human capital instead of aiming at the accumulation of false capital possessions that are detrimental to humanity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 21:01 utc | 63

“On this day in 1982,” (June 10) Spain becomes the sixteenth member of NATO at a Summit in Bonn. This Tweet has the historical footage from that event.

https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1535227649777455106

Also in 1982? Canada, under PM Pierre Trudeau finally ‘patriates’ it’s constitution, breaking free of its colonial past. Some historical footage in this entry from the Canadian Encyclopedia:

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/patriation-of-the-constitution

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 10 2022 21:12 utc | 64

@Lex | Jun 10 2022 19:41 utc | 59

So if I understand the “no climate change” people, the basis of the argument is that human activity falls outside the bounds of the natural world. Is this correct?
No it is utterly wrong and an irrelevant strawman. By the way it is you guys who claim "no climate change". The climate has always changed and always will be changing.

Nature “operates” a large number of cycles of various things, including carbon.
This falls in the "not even wrong" category wrt. "carbon" (an Orwellian euphemism for the natural trace gas CO2). But indeed there are cycles or quasi-cycles in nature, such as solar cycles short and long term (the Sun is a variable star and now entering a new grand minimum) and ice-age causing gravitational effects like the Milankovitch-cycles.

I return to the simple question: are we part of nature and have an effect on it or are we outside of nature and have no significant effect on it?
Who claims we are not part of nature? You guys seem to be claiming so. Do we have an effect on nature? Yes. Do we have an effect on climate in a measureable way? There is no evidence to support such a hypothesis, because it has not been measured. All you have are computer predictions that have consistently failed for 3 decades so far.

The Key to Science

We are currently in an interglacial period. The future is the normal state: Another ice-age

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2022 21:15 utc | 65

Yet more Western folly, "Russian diplomat laces into West's flawed Arctic policy":

"At the same time, Zakharova noted that attempts to isolate Russia in the Arctic are misleading. 'Earlier, as you know, the Westerners decided to freeze their participation in the Arctic Council. Their decisions are chaotic, which can only attest to one thing: attempts to isolate Russia in the Arctic are illusory, and Western partners are trying to grasp at any idea to create the impression of some independent role in Arctic affairs,' she added.

"As the Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman emphasized, Moscow keeps on carrying out its projects in the Arctic. 'Russia, for its part, as the unconditional main factor in the Arctic and the current chair of the Arctic Council, consistently continues to implement projects initiated by our country with a focus on the Russian regions, designed to promote sustainable socio-economic development of our Arctic zone, improve the well-being of all its residents, including indigenous peoples, cooperation to preserve the unique Arctic ecosystems that affect the health of our planet, ensure the interests and rights of indigenous peoples of the Arctic, promote contacts among the youth, foster cultural ties and form the humanitarian space of the Polar region,' the diplomat summarized."

Russia's the current Arctic Council Chair but the West tries to pretend it doesn't exist. Well, I'd imagine Russia was able to get lots accomplished without any interference since it was left alone without any detractors.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 21:19 utc | 66

Speaking of history - I brought up the Seige of Sarajevo on another thread, and said the media coverage warned of the threat of a European military superpower being created that would launch an attack on Canada after finishing off in the Balkans. My source for news at that time was CBC’s The National. They actually leaked a copy of the map, showing which European country would get which island or coastal segment of Canada. More than once, they showed that in their program. And also - Canada’s peacekeepers as part of UNPROFOR were tasked with ensuring the security and operation of the Sarajevo airport. In the online sources I reviewed, it said 1,600 Canadian soldiers were involved in that. The media at the time, said that number was actually 10,000 (10,600 ??) I wonder if those reports will ever be publicly available again.

And CBC’s coverage in that year suggested that bringing Spain into NATO was a direct retaliation for Canada becoming a constitutional monarchy, with the Queen as head of state, not answering to the British parliament.

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Jun 10 2022 21:34 utc | 67

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 10 2022 16:33 utc | 34

We're coming for your toothbrush

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 10 2022 21:41 utc | 68

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 16:35 utc | 35

Ah ! The usual hide behind the commercial aircraft traversing great circle flight path.

What the world say? When "Clear Air Turbulence(CAT)" causes a catastrophic total loss for both aircraft.

Will the Hague Court turn the usual blind eye and blame Russia?

Will the Hague Court. Grow a pair and convict both the Israeli chief of air staff and Israeli Minister of Defense as "War criminals"?

Will the bankrupt USSA pay off the corrupt Hague Court with a $100-00 bank note. Limit all payouts to the surviving relatives for a maximum of very worthless USD(air dollars) at $10K per head........

The answer is blowing in the wind ...............

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 10 2022 22:23 utc | 69

The issue of tracking carriers has been a forgone since the 1950's. The days of running silent haven't applied to surface ships since WWII.

The real determinant is a fleet's or task force's ability to defend against the offensive threats it's facing. Carrier groups maintain a defensive envelope up to 1000 miles from the group and beyond, using ship and airborne radar, satellite and stand-odd sorties, and layered, multirange offensive and defensive weapons.

Given what is known about current Chinese air power and no actual combat experience of their current air forces, there is a great likelihood that the combined US/Japanese/ANZAK/Indian forces will be well matched against them.

Though the Chinese tout a hypersonic missile, it's doubtful that they have them in sufficiently functional numbers to waste firing at a carrier group over 1000 miles away. And, given the results of final testing on the new next-gen anti-missile / drone systems, it's more than likely US naval forces will have an effective defense against them by the time the PLA can field them in sufficient quantities to offset Allied power.

The real threat has been and will, for the foreseeable future, remain the sub-surface one. The REAL Silent Service.

Posted by: JHW | Jun 10 2022 22:32 utc | 70

Tracking aircraft carriers is trivial. ... the carriers all use extensive radar systems - for flight control as well as to detect incoming threats.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 15:21 utc | 14

Indeed. There are countless ways to spot a carrier. Trying to hide a carrier on the open sea didn't work at Midway, and has been entirely impossible for decades.

Carriers generate massive underwater sound through their propulsion and other systems that can be picked up and triangulated by sonar hundreds of miles away. In near-peer warfare, carriers would be expected be taken out by tactical nukes within the first hour.

Direct visual/IR surveillance is also a factor. A drone flying at 35,000 feet can spot infrared, radar and other signatures directly (without resort to error-prone "over-the-horizon" techniques) within a horizon distance of over 200 nm. This still ignores the noise and commotion associated with the wider carrier group.

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Jun 10 2022 22:52 utc | 71

JHW | Jun 10 2022 22:32 utc | 70

Another new name "Amerika is the greatest, China produces junk" commentator? Chinese peasants armed with rifles drove the finest fight force that's ever been on earth back down through Korea.
They are no longer peasants with rifles, and in many spheres of tech now lead the world.

Those floating relics of WWII may look intimidating to some small third world nation, but if hostilities were to commence, US wont send them anywhere near China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 10 2022 22:58 utc | 72

NemesisCalling@47
You are certainly succeeding in being tiresome.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2022 22:59 utc | 73

Ah ! Climate Change denial. History tells us this industry of paid shills to deny reality. Was originally started by "Big Tobacco" in the early 1950's. Excuse the only product they sell is "Cancer Sticks". One where up to 98% of the daily users will die an early death.

Fast forward in time past the era of "Peak Oil(2002)". Both the Koch Bros(2 out of 3)"Big Coal" and the evil reformed sisters of "Standard Oil". Recommenced paying shills to deny reality.

As one poor bankrupt jobless unemployable peer . Would say "I can earn mega worthless "Brit Air Ponds' for telling worthless lies, so can you too".......

Today thanks to "skeptical science" and "Occam's Razor Test" , I can gain access to around 200 common fact free denial of 'climate change reality' fallacy arguments. As is often used daily by both "Big Oil" and "Big Coal". Then repeated often by those tiny minority who live in fear of change........

Much like country 404 . You can deny reality as often as you wish. Yet for all those wishes, reality does not change ! A failed geography teacher. Nor a classic's scholar are experts in the field 'Climate Change'.............But hay as long as both "Big Coal" and "Big Oil" pay handsome five figure stipends to sell lies for a living. Who indeed would not be tempted by the bribes. When your single digit pension payments . Do not even cover the cost of the annual Northern winter heating bills ?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 10 2022 23:01 utc | 74

Nothing to See Here
Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 15:47 utc | 19
What is scary is that we aren't seeing the fertilizer related food spikes yet

Also yet to be experienced:
Further increases in NG prices as EU competes with ROW for the available unsanctioned supply
Further increases in NG prices as the US experiences peak cooling season and an increased demand for electric supply.
Further increases in food costs due impact of SW drought on CA farm production coupled with water scarcity issues.
Further increases in food costs due increased transport costs resulting from higher FF costs and reduced refinery capacity.
Further increases in food costs due need for NG and other FF to dry crops, power combines, transport agricultural yield.
Further increase in electricity costs due to reduced hydro generation capacity due low water levels in reservoirs. This will drive FF demand for generation capacity putting further pressure on FF prices.
Further demand for NG due coming EU "freak out"(technical term) in response to inability to source needed NG to prepare for winter heating season. This will drive global energy prices to new highs.
Decreased supply of US domestic FF due to Tzu Biden "The US has nothing to fear but us," restrictions on domestic FF production, the effects of inappropriate FED interest rate hikes, and the threat (or actual imposition) of windfall profit taxes on FF sector
Increased costs imposed by "green washing" initiatives such as legislated EV purchases and legislated ICU obsolescence.
Increased FF costs due to global military posturing as the forces "turn and burn" due to irrational group paranoia and therefore compete for the ROW unsanctioned FF supply further driving up costs.
Further FED policy hikes in an irrational attempt to control runaway inflation and out Volcker Volcker

The cumulative effect of the above, and the scapegoating of Putin and Chu Mao as a policy response, will result in significant numbers of Americans seeking to resettle in Kiev in search of a sane political environment.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 10 2022 23:10 utc | 75

This may interest some barflies, Electric motorcycles reviewed by Consumer NZ:

https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/electric-motorbikes-reviews-buying-guide/reviews

Posted by: Paul | Jun 10 2022 23:16 utc | 76

Lindzen's cloud hypothesis has not received any support, not because there is a conspiracy to silence him but because he could not support it.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 10 2022 19:43 utc | 60

I'm not sure whether you are saying that Lindzen's work wasn't suppressed, that it was but he's wrong anyway, or something else.

However, if the events he recounts in an article that I linked to in another thread are true, then he and others who question climate change are most certainly being suppressed. If anyone requests that I repost the link, I will be glad to do so.

Posted by: David Levin | Jun 10 2022 23:40 utc | 77

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 10 2022 14:43 utc

It is hard to understand why people like you cannot seem to tolerate any questioning of the supposed science behind climate change.

And equally difficult to understand why people like you fail to understand the fundamentals of science.

Science does not deliver facts.

Science is organized scepticism through which every aspect of the phenomenological world is subject to continual review and query.

I lack the capacity to travel to the Amazon basin and engage in a search of the char reported to be found there. I also lack the capacity to count tree rings in New England. I am wholly dependent on others for published research on these and many other topics.

I fail to understand your demonstrated need to attack others who hold positions alternate to your own. One of the hallmarks of civil debate is the ability to tolerate opinions counter to your own. I come to MoA precisely to be exposed to alternate perceptions of that bawdy house we call reality.

I also fail to understand your internal contradictions. You have asserted that you first bought the work of Dr. Hudson in 2006. Yet when James, and two or three other MoA regulars, posted on the benefits of organic food, animal husbandry, and co-operative movements, you came down on them like the proverbial ton of bricks. Their proposals were dismissed by you as uneconomic.

My fear is that we will soon witness various episodes of famine. This will likely be attributed to "Bad Poutine." In truth the food shortage will be due to the fact of high fertilizer costs, high product drying costs, high transport costs, high interest rates (see a prior post for details) and increased labour costs (due to all the preceding factors) will render food production uneconomic and we will witness farmers destroy their crops because it is claimed to be uneconomic to bring them to market.

In essence, we have trapped ourselves within a socio-economic construct wherein it is "uneconomic" to feed the starving. I doubt such a world system will long persist. And it doesn't matter how many CVNs and F-35s attempt to prop it up. Or the degree to which you defend it.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2022 0:43 utc | 78

Iranian missile attack on Erbil. A FB friend shared this, I believe its a translation a Russian journal. I haven't found confirmation from the MSM.

US military air base attacked from Iranian territory
Iran strikes a US air base from its territory.
Tonight, the US military airbase in Erbil was directly hit by missiles. According to preliminary reports, the strikes were carried out by Fatah-110 missiles, but more remarkably, the missiles were launched from Iranian territory.
Some of these missiles are known to have hit the Erbil military air base. There are reports of damage, casualties and even deaths among the military and specialists of the so-called international coalition.
It is known that there was no attempt to intercept the missiles launched from Iranian territory. And, remarkably, a medical plane left Ramstein Air Base in Germany and immediately flew to Iraq. This indicates that the victims are numerous and that the latter are in serious condition, although there has been no official statement on this subject.
Iranian sources have also indirectly confirmed missile fire from Iranian territory. This indicates that Tehran should take responsibility for the attack on the American base. Nevertheless, US sources indicate that an Iranian drone may also have been involved in the attack. These sources, however, indicate that the United States failed to detect and repel the attacks in time.
For now, there is no official statement from Tehran, but experts expect an escalation very imminent.
“While until recently the United States was limited to strikes against pro-Iranian groups, since strikes against the United States were not carried out from the territory of the Islamic Republic, the United States United could now opt for strikes on Iranian territory as well. It would be logical to assume that Israel could also join in the strikes, because Jerusalem has its own interest in doing so,” explains the specialist.
Analysts believe that if an escalation is to be expected, it will occur within the next 48 to 72 hours. And, in all likelihood, retaliatory strikes, if they occur, will be limited to Iran's most important targets.
Source Avia pro

Posted by: Kate Frey | Jun 11 2022 0:50 utc | 79


@karlof1,

boy! you are prodigious today. Keep them comin', as you for one usually make great ponderable points in this forum :-).

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 10 2022 19:09 utc | 57

---
Second this sentiment.
Thanks Karl

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2022 0:57 utc | 80

Posted by: Lex | Jun 10 2022 19:41 utc | 59

Lex, in response to your question I suggest a review of this graph:

https://images.twnmm.com/c55i45ef3o2a/4ZJwDIgSfiBHpUnUAF8E8V/c41847c9e7b1e743ffd768fe8c221c56/Keeling_Curve_June_7_2022_co2_10k_Scripps_Institution_of_Oceanography.png?fit=pad&w=600&q=80&fm=webp

Our presence on the planet has been facilitated by the process of homeostasis, a relatively stable equilibrium between diverse interdependent elements.

If you have a homeostatic system and you manipulate a single critical variable of that system it can be expected the system will alter.

What is notable from the graph is that the measured increase in CO2 commenced within my lifetime and not before. The effects of that altered variable are yet to be experienced due to the complexity of the system, the vast range of interdependencies and, as you point out, the lag in response times.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2022 1:06 utc | 81

@ Kate Frey | Jun 11 2022 0:50 utc | 78 with the report on attack of Irbil base

Thanks....interesting for that on the heels of the bombing of the Damascus International airport

And then there is quote below from a ZH posting


Lawmakers with the bipartisan Abraham Accords Caucus have introduced a bill in the House and Senate that will require the Pentagon to coordinate missile defense upgrades for Israel and several newfound Arab allies, pointing to potential “attacks from Iran.”

Unveiled on Thursday, the Deterring Enemy Forces and Enabling National Defenses (DEFEND) Act would instruct the secretary of defense to “develop an acquisition approach” to improve anti-air weapons for a number of Middle Eastern states, among them Israel, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and the six-member Gulf Cooperation Council.

Members of the GCC are
Bahrain.
Kuwait.
Oman.
Qatar.
Saudi Arabia.
United Arab Emirates.

Stirring that ME pot like this seems a bit little and a bit late but it will be interesting to see how it contributes to the overall civilization war we are in.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2022 1:16 utc | 82

psychohistorian@81
If you recall it was 'potential “attacks from Iran.”'which the US used as justification for putting missile bases into Rumania and, I believe, Poland.
Which in turn alarmed Russia and led to the red line around Ukraine ending up the same way. Congress is full of people whose electoral defeat is urgently required.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 11 2022 1:26 utc | 83

Brilliance in the Air
Posted by: JHW | Jun 10 2022 22:32 utc | 70

Though the Chinese tout a hypersonic missile, it's doubtful that they have them in sufficiently functional numbers to waste firing at a carrier group over 1000 miles away.

Any CAG 1,000 miles from Chinese shores equipped with planes with a combat range of 670 nm miles poses zero threat to China.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2022 1:31 utc | 84

"...In essence, we have trapped ourselves within a socio-economic construct wherein it is "uneconomic" to feed the starving. I doubt such a world system will long persist. And it doesn't matter how many CVNs and F-35s attempt to prop it up. Or the degree to which you defend it.
Sushi@77

Absolutely right. As to why they do it- post obsessively on the matter, and other matters too- I cannot imagine. But could it be as simple as Joe Tzu's "Ignorance longs for company" ?

Posted by: bevin | Jun 11 2022 1:34 utc | 85

@ bevin | Jun 11 2022 1:26 utc | 82 who wrote

"
Congress is full of people whose electoral defeat is urgently required.
"

Nah, this is about the folks that buy those corrupt CongressCritters.....Sovereign nations against bullies and their Occupied Palestine ways.

No more proxy wars that get nothing changed.....a civilization war that is not about the made up left/right world but the top/bottom one that hides behind the God of Mammon religion.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2022 1:36 utc | 86

More Brilliance in the Air


Overall, more than half the Navy’s aircraft are grounded, most because there isn’t enough money to fix them.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2017/02/06/grounded-nearly-two-thirds-of-us-navys-strike-fighters-cant-fly/

Nearly two-thirds of the fleet’s strike fighters can’t fly — grounded because they’re either undergoing maintenance or simply waiting for parts or their turn in line on the aviation depot backlog.

If Alfred E. Neuman spoke Chinese he would say: 什么兆瓦担心?

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2022 2:07 utc | 87

Posted by: bevin | Jun 11 2022 1:34 utc | 84

Or Joe Tzu's "Senility is the new Covid"

I'll buy the next round.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2022 2:10 utc | 88

--one example of Hudson's admonition that governments acquire natural monopolies to make their economy's more efficient and competitive.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 10 2022 18:36 utc | 52

Thank you, karlof1. In the earlier discussions with youthful entrepreneurs, Putin was cautious about extending such a state monopoly to light industry projects. This was a good indication, I thought, that he saw the value in keeping such projects open to the creativity of individual 'free enterprise'. It's the same sort of combined fluidity that one has if able to make use of public transportation as well as the possibility of creating an environmentally friendly vehicle. All very positive and hopeful, unlike some of the negative arguments we've had here today. After all, surely it is better to stimulate young people in the challenges of what they are currently faced with in Russia than . . . break dancing?

Posted by: juliania | Jun 11 2022 2:31 utc | 89

re: Overall, more than half the Navy’s aircraft are grounded

The pivot to Asia-Pacific was a U-turn into a financial dragon's den (sorry China) situation where the local 'combatant commander' is demanding all sorts of naval presence harassing China to ensure (supposedly) a "free and open Pacific" which already exists, by the way. Forcing ships and sailors to make a useless showing six thousand miles away causes many problems, including broken down ships and planes, and broken sailors (high absentee and suicides).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2022 2:38 utc | 90

Summit of the Americas looks like it is actually a snake pit of murderers and some trapped victims.

Louis Almegro, President of the Organisation of American States is accused of facilitating murder of citizens and a journalist.

Jimmy Dore and team out the yankee running dogs here in a 14 minute utoob.

The Americas Summit has begun, even without the participation of Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba, which were banned from the event by the Biden administration, or Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who refused to attend without his socialist-led neighbors.

These absences didn’t entirely protect attendees, however, as a protester stood up in the middle of a symposium to accuse Organization of American States head Luis Almagro of being a “murderer” for supporting a bloody coup against Bolivian President Evo Morales.

Jimmy and his panel consisting of The Grayzone’s Max Blumenthal and American comedian Kurt Metzger discuss the United States’ shrinking influence and control over its neighbors.

Let's go Brandon.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 11 2022 2:48 utc | 91

. Do we have an effect on nature? Yes. Do we have an effect on climate in a measureable way? There is no evidence to support such a hypothesis, because it has not been measured.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 10 2022 21:15 utc | 65

There is no evidence either way, it seems to me - and this I submit is very like arguments for the existence of God. There are plausible arguments on both sides of such a large issue - will it be for the universe, for this planet as it has been in the past, or is our small planet now being affected so weightily by what we are doing to it that there will be unforeseen consequences? How about a combination of both? And how about allowing the planet itself to have some say in the restoration of balance we'd like to see?

Isn't it good on the one hand to either keep on creatively lessening our own contribution to the problem, and on the other hand creatively adding positive restorations to the narrow band of comfortable temperature we frail creatures can exist within? In other words, isn't what we do more important than being right? I happen to believe that as close as we can get to what nature provides, the better - as with trees in a forest that do in their natural multiplication encourage rain clouds to form.

It seems to me we shouldn'g give up on doing our individual bests to live lightly here. But that's just, as always, me.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 11 2022 2:55 utc | 92

Eighthman | Jun 10 2022 14:48 utc | 8
“……if China can track [US] carriers with accuracy,………
Didn’t they send a probe to the dark side of the moon?
Certainly they have space capability…. So..imma guessing they can track some tubs in the Pacific …and the South CHINA Sea …

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 11 2022 3:09 utc | 93

Joe !wew!
Simon Casey. @sjcasey. 8h
“The reason they’re not drilling is they’re buying back their own stock, which should be taxed quite frankly, buying back their own stock and making no new investments.. Exxon: start investing and start paying your taxes, thanks.”
https://twitter.com/sjcasey/status/1535337191659999232?cxt=HHwWgMC49dHCzs4qAAAA
Joe has *-really-* done it this time.
It’s one thing to berate Putin and call for his removal.
It’s an ENTIRELY different degree of risky to declare war on the real rulers of the planet… the Oil Cartel.
Joe just JFK’d himself, methinks.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 11 2022 3:38 utc | 94

After triple checking today is not April 1:
Two people have reportedly been rescued after being trapped in a chocolate tank at a Mars M&M factory in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1534993219263545344
>Sometimes… and especially at time like these, I think we can accommodate a *little* silliness?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 11 2022 3:53 utc | 95

A lively discussion of sorts about easily detected and to sink obsolete aircraft carriers.

Lest we forget. One of the wonders of modern satellite technologies.

Today all commercial ships. Naval surface vessels included. Have a unique permanently on whilst moving ship track "ID" number. Basically telling everyone "I am here".....

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 11 2022 3:55 utc | 96


I fail to understand your demonstrated need to attack others who hold positions alternate to your own. One of the hallmarks of civil debate is the ability to tolerate opinions counter to your own. I come to MoA precisely to be exposed to alternate perceptions of that bawdy house we call reality.
Posted by: Sushi | Jun 11 2022 0:43 utc | 77

Yes, that 'demonstrated need to attack others' is tiresome and a blot on this wonderful blog.
Thanks Sushi for putting that in such cordial terms.

I say more Joe Tzu and less FU!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 11 2022 4:01 utc | 97

How about some live satellite tracking of ships here. The red ones are tankers, the green ones cargo. Carriers? May be . . pink?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2022 4:13 utc | 98

If we all agreed with each other on everything -- what a dull world that would be! There wouldn't be any horse races, for one thing. . .And no elections! . .where we are given the opportunity to vote for either Hillary or Trump. . .on second thought. . .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 11 2022 4:18 utc | 99


Why is the Nazi Nemesis still allowed to post his garbage on this blog? Honest question.
Posted by: v | Jun 10 2022 18:02 utc | 49

A couple reasons I think of:
One is to avoid censorship or the need for b to create a Bureau of Misinformation.
Secondly, to improve your critical thinking skills in case some skilled Nazi propagandist comes along.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 11 2022 4:30 utc | 100

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