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June 13, 2022

Media Tune Down Ukraine Hysteria - Continue To Print Falsehoods

The Ukraine war has fallen below the fold of the New York Times and the Washington Post. It is not the only sign that the 'western' war rage and cheer leading for Ukraine has ended. When one scrolls down though there are still Ukraine headlines on the NYT front page.

One is to its "live" coverage with the current headline saying:

Ukraine Live Updates: Russian Forces Move Into Center of Sievierodonetsk.

That 'live update' is two week behind the real news. As Reuters reported on May 31:

Russia takes most of Sievierodonetsk city in eastern Ukraine.

KYIV, May 31 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Tuesday that Russia had taken control of most of the eastern industrial city of Sievierodonetsk, a bombed-out wasteland whose capture Moscow has made the principal objective of its invasion.

Some 'western' analysts had since falsely claimed that Ukraine had launched a counteroffensive into the city. That counterattack in fact never has taken place. The forces who were supposed to launch it where shelled to clumps before they could set off.

The NYT live update also includes this headline and report:

Amnesty says Russia’s use of cluster munitions caused widespread civilian deaths in Kharkiv.

Reading a bit into it one finds:

Amnesty said 606 civilians were killed in the Kharkiv region between Feb. 24 and April 28, citing the head of the regional medical department.

In investigating 41 strikes that killed more than 60 civilians, Amnesty said its researchers found fragments of cluster sub-munitions as well as parts of rockets known to carry such weapons. Cluster munitions are banned under a 2010 treaty because of the risk they pose for noncombatants, but Russia, Ukraine and the United States are not among the more than 100 countries that have signed the convention. Ukraine has also used cluster munitions in the war.

Some 600 civilians died in Karkiv over a month. Debris from cluster bombs, which both sides use, was also found. That must mean that Russian forces must have killed those civilians?

Really?

This reminds me of 2008 when Amnesty's sister organization Human Rights Watch published a fake cluster bomb report during the Georgia war. Back then the HRW analyst Marc Garlasco falsely identified 'western' produced cluster bombs which had been fired by Georgia as Russian ones. It was easy to debunk that claim simply by checking HRW's own cluster bomb identification charts. (Shortly thereafter Garlasco was  suspended and then fired over his fondness for Nazi memorabilia. His false and debunked report however is still on HRW's website.)

The Washington Post front page also links, below the fold, to live coverage. The current headline being:

Ukrainian forces pushed from Severodonetsk city’s center; NATO chief to Sweden

Again, the claim about Severodonetsk' city center is false. The Ukrainian forces have been 'pushed out' of it 14 days ago. Aside from the industrial western part, the Azot factory, the city has been under Russian control since May 31.

The WaPo live coverage includes this part:

Update from key battlefields: Russia makes gains in Severodonetsk, targets bridges

Slovyansk area: Russian forces are advancing toward this city in the Donetsk region and have made minor gains north of it. Russian troops have sought to destroy bridges over the Siverskyi Donets river to disrupt the flow of supplies and reinforcements between Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, but the destruction has made it difficult for them to successfully attack Slovyansk because of challenges crossing the river, according to analysts.

Here is a map of east Ukraine with red marking the Russian held territory.


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Slovyansk is on the very left side of the map. Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are on the very right side of the map. A crow will have to fly 60 kilometer (37 miles) to reach from one to the others. Now please reread the WaPO paragraph above and see if it makes any geographical sense. How would destroyed bridges between Severodonetsk and Lysychansk hinder any attack on Slovyansk?

The 'analysts' WaPo linked as sources for that paragraph are the neo-conservative Institute for the Study of War which is the widely quoted prime outlet for Ukraine slanted propaganda about the war. It believe that it is also the source for the false claim both papers print about Severodonetsk's city center.

Now on towards real news: U.S. president Joe Biden has told NATO to end the proxy war in Ukraine as soon as possible.

Dr. David Lütke @DrLuetke - 20:33 UTC · Jun 12, 2022

Today #NATO's #Stoltenberg stated that #negotiations are needed for #peace in #Ukraine.

Quote:
"Peace is possible. The question is how much territory, how much independence...are [Ukraine] willing to sacrifice for peace."

Rhetoric is changing:
What happened to Ukraine winning?
video

This is the same Stoltenberg who in early April said that NATO must prepare for a ‘long haul’ in Ukraine. Who then said that the war could drag on for years. Jens Stoltenberg, who told us in May that we must put values over profits, is now talking about peace for territorial and sovereignty concessions.

It seems that someone has told Biden that there is zero chance for the Democrats to win in the midterm elections if gas prices stay beyond 5 dollar per gallon. Or maybe this Saturday NYT piece really got under his skin:

Should Biden Run in 2024? Democratic Whispers of ‘No’ Start to Rise.

In interviews, dozens of frustrated Democratic officials, members of Congress and voters expressed doubts about the president’s ability to rescue his reeling party and take the fight to Republicans.

Whatever.

Russia is winning the war. The Ukraine has lost the war and will also lose a large chunk of its territory. Its western fueled 'resistance' against the inevitable has seen to that. The U.S. and NATO now acknowledge that much.

Unfortunately some of Zelenski's advisors are still unable to recognize that:

Михайло Подоляк @Podolyak_M - 7:12 UTC · Jun 13, 2022

Being straightforward – to end the war we need heavy weapons parity:
1000 howitzers caliber 155 mm;
300 MLRS;
500 tanks;
2000 armored vehicles;
1000 drones.

Contact Group of Defense Ministers meeting is held in #Brussels on June 15. We are waiting for a decision.

"To end the war" ... Ukraine needs as many weapons as it had when the war started? What happened to those weapons? Will it also need 50 pink unicorns?

It is over. How much territory Ukraine will have to give will be decided by Russia.

Posted by b on June 13, 2022 at 12:28 UTC | Permalink

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K @200--

Did you even bother to read the essay before issuing your blanket dismissal? I though not.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:42 utc | 201

I can clearly see why Bobolinsky is frustrated. He's berated for being off-topic when almost half the discussion on this thread's off-topic. And the barfly giving him grief doesn't give out an equal amount to the others.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:27 utc | 199

The way I see it is that geopolitics is broadly on topic since Ukraine is not an isolated incident.
Everyone tolerates occasional informed commentary on the local politics of any country, but this is not what Bobo is doing here.

Posted by: K | Jun 13 2022 23:44 utc | 202

It's fun watching the United States and its scatophagic protectorates twist and squeal through the death throes of imperial dissolution. So many delusions, so many projections, so many rationalizations, so many narcissistic pity parties. I offer my sincere thanks to whomever of the Deities and Fates allowed me to be alive today to bear witness.

I should also offer my gratitude to Victoria Nudelman and Antony Blinken, without both of whom none of this would have been possible. To think, the actions of these two individuals were, in sum, enough to fracture and begin the collapse of the foundations of Western civilization - it's remarkable, really. Perhaps we can call it the Nudelman-Blinken Transformation?

Posted by: Matt | Jun 13 2022 23:45 utc | 203

K @200--

Did you even bother to read the essay before issuing your blanket dismissal? I though not.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:42 utc | 202

Sorry What? I was only responding to sin's comment. No dismissal intended whatsoever

Posted by: K | Jun 13 2022 23:53 utc | 204

@donten, #191:

The Trust Fund is just an account that collects FICA tax from workers and invests the proceed in Treasury Debt instruments. It also pays out SS benefits to qualified claimers, plus Medicare/Medicaid outlays. The Medicare/Medicaid outlays have been boondoggles for a long time. But heck, who cares? It's someone else's money and there has never been accountability in whatever Washington does for as long as I am aware of these things.

One day someone will claim the Trust Fund has been depleted. We'll have no way of telling whether this is a legitimate claim, or just that someone blowing smoke for some ulterior motive.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 13 2022 23:54 utc | 205

Zelensky's dreaming again, "Zelensky vows to retake Donbass and Crimea", in a speech that coincided with today's artillery bombardment of Donetsk. Zelensky was keen to implicate NATO in the event saying "NATO-supplied 155mm shells were used in the attack."

Meanwhile, "Poland wants allies to replace weapons it gave to Ukraine" and "German arms giant Rheinmetall unveiled its new main battle tank at the major weapons exhibition in Paris on Monday. The vehicle comes under the ‘Panther’ nickname in an apparent nod to Nazi Germany’s iconic PzKpfw V medium tank."

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:54 utc | 206

@204 Yes it is truly an amazing achievement. Nuland with the cookies in Kiev was a masterstroke. She really set the public imagination on fire with that one.

Posted by: dh | Jun 13 2022 23:55 utc | 207

To be a colony at the moment when independent action is required
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:23 utc | 198

to do what?
oh. right.
European Council prez sez

If we want to be a geopolitical power, we must act as a geopolitical power. This means taking care of ourselves but also taking care of others. By being together, we can use that power to become more sovereign and more prosperous, more influential.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 13 2022 23:57 utc | 208

Anne Applebaum’s loopy husband wants to give nukes to Ukraine

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1535839743975510016

[Source: Mark Ames]

Anne Sikorski-Applebaum the Raving War Lunatic | Aug. 30, 2014 |

CIA Man, Former FM Radek Sikorski's Fall from Grace In Poland | June 10, 2015 |

Posted by: Oui | Jun 14 2022 0:00 utc | 209

@ 204 - I do agree with Victoria Nudelman about the f the EU.

F the EU Electro Hardstyle


ps. I think coprophagic is the proper term I hope that isn't horribly pedantic. Luckily, my dogs are pretty well behaved, so I rarely get to use the term. ;)

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 14 2022 0:07 utc | 210

"It's fun watching the United States and its scatophagic protectorates twist and squeal through the death throes of imperial dissolution. So many delusions, so many projections, so many rationalizations, so many narcissistic pity parties. I offer my sincere thanks to whomever of the Deities and Fates allowed me to be alive today to bear witness"

Posted by: Matt | Jun 13 2022 23:45 utc | 204

Well said... Would love to see that on a bumper sticker!

Posted by: ianMoone | Jun 14 2022 0:14 utc | 211

Re Zelensky’s statement today about reconquering all of Ukraine. It’s the date Azov celebrates the occupation of Mariupol. Azov social media is “celebrating” by making the same claims Zelensky is making. Olena Semenyaka has been whispering in his ear for a long time now. Just because you’re a puppet doesn’t mean you are not a true believer.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 14 2022 0:17 utc | 212

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:42 utc | 202
I don't read all your essays since I mostly already agree with you and I don't have time. On any given day i click on things that are new to me.
Having now looked at it, I find my comment still stands.
There is more to it than simply US domination. The UK is also up to its neck in it with the US to control Europe. This pov does not contradict yours, it is just a different perspective on who is calling the shots.

The existence of a fully intact and monied and landed British and European aristocracy all interrelated, is one red flag as to who is still in control of the western world. Harry and Meghan hitting the US scene was simply an optic to the world that Her Majesty's Rule is kindly still extended to the American colonies. Sealed with an interview by US Royalty Oprah. Thanks Liz!

If there is a hidden cabal ruling the world, it would be genius if the main contender is hiding in plain sight in all the silly glossy magazines and gossip rags of the world. Who would think those dumb inbreds could be ruling the globe?

Perhaps Russia overthrowing the Tsar was the act that enraged the western monarchies and they want it back, still.
The age old patriarchy is clutching to power with its decrepit half dead claws.

Look at photos of royals from any European monarchy, Are these people serious dressing up in their golden bejewelled crowns and royal regalia?
Why yes, they are deadly serious and safely camouflaged in their magical entertaining jewel encrusted cloaks.
Oh and this is not to forget the ties of all the monarchies to the other arm of word domination: The Colonial Christian Churches.

Posted by: K | Jun 14 2022 0:31 utc | 213

“The EU after Ukraine”, west European states, apparently as a matter of course (i.e. without deeper reflection), agreed “to leave it to Biden to decide on its behalf – Europe’s fate will depend on Biden’s fate...

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:23 utc | 198

Never in the history of mankind, the fate of some many depended on so few neurons.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 14 2022 0:39 utc | 214

The fate of some many --> The fate of so many

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 14 2022 0:40 utc | 215

(Traditional German Schunkeln song.)

Singer:
Disappeared all the grain,
Like tears in the rain…

Audience:
Disappeared all the grain,
Like tears in the rain!

Singer:
Disappeared all the grain,
Like tears in the rain—
                              in Ukraine.

Singer:
’Twas exported by train
During comedian’s reign…

Audience:
’Twas exported by train
During comedian’s reign!

Singer:
’Twas exported by train
During comedian’s reign—
                              in Ukraine.

Singer:
If you’ve got half a brain,
You’ll get the refrain…

Audience:
If you’ve got half a brain,
You’ll get the refrain!

Singer:
If you’ve got half a brain,
You’ll get the refrain—
                              in Ukraine.

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 0:51 utc | 216

Posted by: Inpale | Jun 13 2022 18:19 utc | 107

My hypothetical explanation, FWIW :

By shelling Donetsk, the ukies put on the Russians a duty to conquer Avdlvika (or some name like that). My hypothesis is that the place is perfectly fortified, with a lot of weapon (unused since the beginning) and men. It's a trap waiting for the Russians to fall in. And the Russians don't go on it because they understand the trap it is. They compute it's a lesser evil to let the ukies shell Donetsk than to fall in the trap.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jun 14 2022 1:05 utc | 217

@173 PTB

Interesting figures, seems people are all over the place in their guesses. I think those numbers are to high across the board.

Total KIA for Russia and allies, around 4,000

Total KIA for Ukrainian side, around 20,000.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 14 2022 1:13 utc | 218

Germany buckles.
from DW
Germany's Scholz pledges weapons for Ukraine
Scholz said that the arms would be supplied in coordination with European and NATO partners. He added that it was important that Germany and its allies defend "every square inch of NATO territory," [really?] and that Berlin would increase its presence on NATO's eastern flank.
Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy criticized Scholz and German officials in an interview with the ZDF broadcaster, and urged Berlin not to prioritize its relations with Russia over Ukraine's defense.
"We need from Chancellor Scholz the certainty that Germany supports Ukraine," he said. "He and his government must decide: there can't be a trade-off between Ukraine and relations with Russia." . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 1:23 utc | 219

West Donesk & Avdeevka...the heart of Ukrainian Defenses. Thousands of miles of trenches, reinforced bunkers, underground storage and hiding places.

Minefields galore, elite troops and plenty of cannon fodder, NATO advisors, the best weapons and solid logistics for resupply. Plenty of air defense.

The only way to take this region is by flanking and ultimately making it a kettle.

This will take awhile. I'd guess the operation won't even start until September.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 14 2022 1:28 utc | 220

@219 Haassaan

Thanks for the response. Just to check, you ar aware that just the Donetsk Republic has officially acknowledged over 2000 KIA, right? Ie that is not including Lugansk Republic, not Russian regular armed forces, not Russian special groupings like Wagner.

For the UA side there is less to go by, especially since they 90%+ of the time refuse to collect the bodies of their dead when offered. But each day's official report from the Russian MoD has typically 400-500 UA losses estimated by the Russian military, for air/rocket/artillery strikes alone -- and they have of late provided no estimates of the results of direct ground action that has been going on slowly across a 1000km front, with intense points in a dozen localities on any given day...

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 1:29 utc | 221

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 14 2022 1:28 utc | 221

As you correctly say - this is the most heavily fortified section of the front line.

This issue is addressed today by 'Military Summary' 13/06 @ 17minute mark.
He also did a more detailed analysis of the likely Russian tactics to take control of the Avdiivka area - this was from about a week ago.

Posted by: S | Jun 13 2022 22:36 utc | 183 - Attack from the north west & take control of the high ground to the rear of Avdiivka - 'Military Summary' from about a week ago.

Posted by: ted001 | Jun 14 2022 1:40 utc | 222

@Merkin Scot

Absolutely. Taking Odessa is a must for Russia. And deny Ukraine any access to the Black Sea by reaching a little further bordering Romania and Moldova.

Romania houses USA's missile defense shield against Russia along with Poland. Keeping them at striking distance is important. Thereafter even if Ukraine joins NATO, it won't matter much.

Turkey is now under check from Syria and Crimea.

The other priority should be to reclaim Russia's lost edge in intermediate range nuclear weapons since 1987. Critically important. Not a bad idea to buy Chinese DF21D and DF26 by any means after Ukraine war to offset conventional military equipment losses. Better still, deploy a nuclear tipped Zirkon missile on land. Otherwise USA will make another push from the south using another puppet.

Posted by: Jason | Jun 14 2022 1:49 utc | 223

@221 ... probably late summer at the earliest. After Lisichansk, the arc of Slavyansk->Kramatorsk->Konstantinovka->Toretsk has to be taken apart. There may also be a path North starting from Ugledar, but as we have learned, the details of geography and lines of urban development make all the difference, and I'm not in a position to draw conclusions here.

As awful as it is, a top-level goal is to consume such portions of the Ukrainan military, which are used to threaten Russian-inhabited cities. And this includes anything or anyone NATO adds to that category. The exact location where that happens being a sort-of secondary consideration.

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 1:49 utc | 224

MarkU | Jun 13 2022 14:06 utc | 19

I'm inclined to agree with you. If The Ukraine is de-natzified and eventually becomes a prosperous Russian-friendly space, why shouldn't its present borders, flag etc, be kept? Naturally, de-natzification has many aspects, including changes in the education of young people, and will not happen overnight. Such a Ukraine would have a number of autonomous oblasts, and Russia would certainly want to maintain a large military base in the West of the country capable of neutralising anything that NATO might put in Poland.

INDY

Clover

Posted by: Clover | Jun 14 2022 1:56 utc | 225

@222 ptb

I have not seen the official Donetsk Republic numbers, I'd love a link to them, though.

My guess for Donetsk KIA is around 1500, maybe I am getting skewed data, but they seem to be doing and have done a disproportionate amount of the fighting, even in Lugansk.

Russian KIA around 2000. Other groups 500 or so.

These are my own guesses of course, based off a variety of sources.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 14 2022 2:00 utc | 226

@ 220
Germany deciding that Ukraine is more important than Russia defies logic. In fact it's sorta' like the US deciding that the little province of Taiwan is more important than China. It's a form of dangerous comedy. And Taiwan doesn't even have a comedian in charge!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 2:02 utc | 227

Territorial concessions will not end the war. Russia has clearly stated its objectives not just for Ukraine (demilitarization and denazification) but also for NATO and the US in the draft treaties presented to them last year.

Ukarine is just the first skirmish in the US-Russia war. NATO will either be rolled back to its boundaries at the collapse of the USSR or be dissolved completely (by internal or external force). US bases surrounding Russia will be similarly vacated.

Russia will not rest until the objectives have been achieved. Negotiation is not possible.

Posted by: Black Cloud | Jun 14 2022 2:02 utc | 228

A few days ago I wrote about the Ukrainian blockpost 29.

This was the Ukrainian "checkpoint 29" on the R66 road in the Lugansk People's Republic. It used to be a Pravyi Sektor Nazi base in 2016, with the Parvyi Sektor Nazi flag on the blockpost.

Mozgovoy's Communist Prizrak Brigade was based in the village of Donetskyi, just south of this road crossing. I visited the Prizrak Brigade in 2016. On Google maps (link) I have marked the last safe place one could go to. The area to the north was mined. Two Novorossiyan defenders had died when their car hit a mine. The car carcass was still there.

Readovka calls the checkpoint "legendary":

Special correspondent Readovka took part in the evacuation of residents from Toshkovka

Residents of the urban-type settlement of Toshkovka, who were held for three months in the basement of one of the premises of a coal mine by armed formations of Ukraine, were evacuated by the People's Militia of the LPR. About how the rescue mission went - in the report of the military correspondent Readovka from the first person.

From the legendary 29 checkpoint to the village, our car rushes at a speed of under 100 km / h. No, this is not a whim of the driver, and not at all a desire to demonstrate driving skills.

The road is shot through, so it is better to move as quickly as possible. At the entrance we steam and hit the road.

The mine is at the western edge of the village of Toshkovka. The event must have happened at least two days ago, but most maps still show the location in Ukrainian hands. The location and especially the slag heap at the site is strategic, as it now forms part of the operational encirclement of the Zolote ("Golden") - Gorskoe / Hirs'ke "cauldron".

It is difficult to say who controls what on the battlefield. The reporter describes how the area is surveyed by Ukrainian drones and constantly shelled. According to the story, Ukrainians had kept 50 mainly old people in a cellar or mineshaft for almost three months and did not allow them to evacuate.

In Toshkivka managed to bring out residents who were not allowed to leave the basement by Ukrainian soldiers

This link shows the location of the mine and blockpost 29 on Google maps.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 14 2022 2:05 utc | 229

At a certain point pressure and hardship exerted upon Ukrainians by Russia will outweigh the hopes and dreams of being a modern Western State in the European Union (which is looking more and more like an economic and cultural basket case with each passing month).

I imagine there are three main categories: anti-Russian (mainly in Galicia Western region); mixed/ambivalent (mainly in Central and Northern area around Kiev); Russian-speaking pro Russian (where RF is now and more).

As this goes on, the fence-sitters are going to develop a more hardened view. Those who become anti-Russian may walk West whilst those who are pro Russian will stay so the latter percentages will be rising and the former falling. If/when there is a referendum offered for areas that haven't been outright occupied (like Kiev and Odessa) and most of the folks remaining are pro-Russian, large zones could become filled with Russian citizens quite rapidly without a shot being fired. And no negotiations with 'agreement incapable' West necessary.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 2:08 utc | 230

And Taiwan doesn't even have a comedian in charge!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 2:02 utc | 228

That's debatable, but I'll concede her jokes are somewhat less crude.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 2:15 utc | 231

@225 ptb

"After Lisichansk, the arc of Slavyansk->Kramatorsk->Konstantinovka->Toretsk has to be taken apart."

I am not sure why this arc has to be taken apart? I think that is where the front line will be pushed to, it gives Russian led forces room and logistics to head south and flank the Dontesk pocket.

You could be right, though. The arc of Slavyansk->Kramatorsk->Konstantinovka->Toretsk will be a tough not to crack barring systemic collapse of the Ukrainians. That would push the Donetsk pocket assault back to 2023.

Of course Russia might have other options that aren't readily apparent.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 14 2022 2:23 utc | 232

@Haassaan #227:

I have not seen the official Donetsk Republic numbers, I'd love a link to them, though.

These are not official, but reported by week:

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7669913.html

Translation of the table header in the image:

Combat  Period    Casualties      Avg. per day     K/W
Week #          KIA  WIA  Total  KIA  WIA  Total  Ratio

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 2:39 utc | 233

In response to

"
Territorial concessions will not end the war. Russia has clearly stated its objectives not just for Ukraine (demilitarization and denazification) but also for NATO and the US in the draft treaties presented to them last year.

Ukarine is just the first skirmish in the US-Russia war. NATO will either be rolled back to its boundaries at the collapse of the USSR or be dissolved completely (by internal or external force). US bases surrounding Russia will be similarly vacated.

Russia will not rest until the objectives have been achieved. Negotiation is not possible.

Posted by: Black Cloud | Jun 14 2022 2:02 utc | 229
"

Thanks and welcome to the bar!

It is nice to read others that have an appreciation of the global context of the Ukraine SMO

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 14 2022 2:47 utc | 234

To soi's comments above,
The British have relinquished power to USA at the end of WW2. Their spy and propaganda agencies are their weapons in collusion with USA. That is all they have.

They actually schooled America in propaganda, and the Jews that control America mastered it.
A few months ago, an ex-Uk general( obviously just living off his pension) said: Russia can destroy Britain in half an hour.

The reasons why Russia didn't blow away the British ship and why they didn't kick NATO out of Syria, is that they are many other ways to humiliate them. In fact, it can be construed that they actually feel sorry for the idiots, who are going more sideways everyday.

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 14 2022 3:23 utc | 235

Don Bacon #220

Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy criticized Scholz and German officials in an interview with the ZDF broadcaster, and urged Berlin not to prioritize its relations with Russia over Ukraine's defense.
"We need from Chancellor Scholz the certainty that Germany supports Ukraine," he said. "He and his government must decide: there can't be a trade-off between Ukraine and relations with Russia."

Ukraine Asks Germany for SUBMARINES!

Ten minutes utoob from iEarlGrey who possesses a wicked sense of humor.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 14 2022 3:41 utc | 236

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 14 2022 2:00 utc | 227

My guess for Donetsk KIA is around 1500, maybe I am getting skewed data, but they seem to be doing and have done a disproportionate amount of the fighting, even in Lugansk.

Not official, but I guess accurate enough.

Posted by: hopehely | Jun 14 2022 3:51 utc | 237

Black Cloud #229

Russia will not rest until the objectives have been achieved. Negotiation is not possible.

YES and nicely put. Now we just need to source reliable long term supply of Russian popcorn for the duration. In correct packaging.

It might take a while but I am enjoying the methodical annihilation of nazi scum and their fellow travelers. The western warmongers are not going to be able to take this death by a thousand cuts but they now have no choice other than to read and agree to the December 2021 calling card that Putin handed them.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 14 2022 3:55 utc | 238

@ Black Cloud #229 and uncle tungsten #239

Below is a quote from a current Reuters pieces that projects the American military having the same goal as Russia


Referring to Austin's comments, the first official said Washington had no intention of changing Russia's leadership but wanted to see the country weakened to the point that it couldn't carry out such an attack on Ukraine again.

"Everyone focused on the first part of what Austin said not on the second part. We want to see Russia weakened to the extent that it can't do something like this again," the official said.

Here we have the bully projecting bullying onto others when reality screams otherwise......its too bad that humanity does not get to see clearly that Austin is fronting for the global private God of Mammon cult and not the public of a sovereign country.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 14 2022 4:13 utc | 239

@227 Haassaan
DNR figures have been periodically reported to the press by Eduard Basurin (Deputy head of People's Militia).

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 4:23 utc | 240

https://rumble.com/v18bwdn-ukraine.-military-summary-and-analysis-13.06.2022.html

Couple of items made me take notice. One was the comment that an order was handed down to the Ukrainian detachment surrounded at the Azot chemical factory in Severodonetsk, to destroy all equipment that might be of value to the Russian side, then try to sneak over to the river and cross to the UAF-controlled Lisichansk side. This was after reports that the last remaining bridge was blown up, purportedly by blocking forces on the Ukrainian side to prevent retreat from Severodonetsk. The order under current conditions amounts to "swim for it." It seems the conflict at the top command level between the military professionals and the political leadership over retreating is leading to some brutal comedy at the field level.

The other item was the estimate that there were about 400 Ukrainian soldiers, a lot of those from elite units, and about 200 mercenaries, among those at the Azot plant. Did the 200 mercenaries get the news that three mercenaries caught in Mariupol just received death sentences? They're one group that might have better chances swimming under fire than surrendering.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Jun 14 2022 5:04 utc | 241

Interesting facts about Ukraine. From Larry Johnson's
blog.

🌐 1st in Europe in proven recoverable uranium ore reserves; 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in titanium ore reserves; 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of world reserves); The 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons); 2nd place in Europe in mercury ore reserves;

🌐 3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in terms of shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
🌐 4th place in the world in terms of the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)

Ukraine is an important agricultural country:

🌐 1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
🌐 3rd place in the world by the area of chernozem (25% of the world volume);
🌐 1st place in the world in the export of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley export;
🌐 3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
🌐 The 4th largest potato producer in the world;
The 5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world for honey production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
🌐 16th place in the world in cheese exports.

Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.

Ukraine was an important industrially developed country:

🌐 1st in Europe in ammonia production;
The 2nd and 4th largest natural gas pipeline systems in the world;
🌐 3rd largest in Europe and 8th in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of the length of the railway network (21,700 km);
🌐 3rd place in the world (after the USA and France) in the production of locators and navigation equipment;
🌐 3rd largest iron exporter in the world;
🌐 The 4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
🌐 The world’s 4th largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
🌐 4th place in the world in clay exports;
🌐 4th place in the world in titanium exports;
8th place in the world in the export of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in the export of defense industry products;
🌐 The 10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 5:12 utc | 242

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Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 5:20 utc | 243

Zelinsky, zelinsky, zelinsky is always the shout, why? He is just a controlled paid west clown. He is as significant as George Clooney, and the rest of Hollywood celebrities and dumb sports people, brought in to tell you what to believe.

Such is the nature of the most stupid and ignorant society, that broadcasts around the world, free so that they can brainwash poor people, with their never ending threats of bombs/ destruction.

No, the homelessness, drug addiction, weekly mass shootings, decaying infrastructure and so much more is caused by Russia and China or whoever. What else can it be?

Biden blames Russia for inflation which was 8.6% before Russia's SMO, Biden blames the oil companies for gouging. Biden blames Russia for witholding wheat, when sanctions are the main reason. Biden blames China for everything, as the US still tries to get coloured people to stand in the Frontline of they're know modus-operandi just like in Ukraine.

Many believe that Trump would have been better. This man is a Jew first and foremost who made a comment to bomb China. Your general milley promptly phoned China to say everything was under control. The USA military knew that China would/ could send bombs your way. The excuses he gave to congress is for western consumption.

It is a financial Mafia that controls the west, who are heavily invested in the military and all the other major corporate enterprises. They own the media and most other things. Any American President is a puppet, who is allowed to make money, in following the set orders.

Biden/Democrats were always going to lose in November, even before the desperate Ukraine pre-planned war. But what difference would it make?

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 14 2022 5:42 utc | 244

PA@243:
Amazing that they bought Washington's bullcrap- hook, line and sinker and will likely lose all that. Got to be one of history's worst cases of political and military suicide.

Posted by: morongobill | Jun 14 2022 5:43 utc | 245

I know peace is coming. I might not see it, but I know it is finally coming.

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 14 2022 5:47 utc | 246

@Karl luck | Jun 14 2022 3:23 utc | 236

The more I learn about the British history with Russia since the mid-19th century and with the United States since WWI, the more I view British diplomatic actions at the end of WWII as an operation that achieved with Truman what had been resisted by Roosevelt: alignment of the US with Britain's "Great Game" of encircling and, eventually dominating, Russia. It was not so much Britain relinquishing power as it was leveraging US power for their own aims. Relinquishing colonies under a confluence of Atlantic Charter obligations and war debts was offset by their ability to amplify their military (through NATO) and financial (through IMF and World Bank) power with American power.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Jun 14 2022 5:56 utc | 247

Oriental Voice | Jun 13 2022 23:54 utc | 206

Re: Social Security Trust Fund: see:


https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/the-moa-week-in-review-not-ukraine-ot-2022-84.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02a2eec7b8d0200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02a2eec7b8d0200d

Posted by: pogohere | Jun 14 2022 6:08 utc | 248

Ukraine Asks Germany for SUBMARINES!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 14 2022 3:41 utc | 237

Somebody should tell the clown that a country without access to the see can’t use submarines.

Posted by: njet | Jun 14 2022 6:40 utc | 249

Severodonesk. Warning; you CAN show this to the children among you.
Kadyrof's men looking for Ukrainians.

https://twitter.com/VeraVanHorne/status/1536488149408485383?cxt=HHwWjsC4sZn12dIqAAAA

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PS. Possibly from last week?
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Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 5:12 utc | 243

Easy to see why the US and EU are upset if Russia makes a new "entity" for Ukraine. Nothing can be stolen from either of them in the future if they are the other side of the E/W fence.
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Donetsk shelling; (including with 777 artillery rounds and the French "we have righteously destroyed all our stockpiles of clusterfucker shells years ago", mysteriously showing up here)

Obvious trap to get the Russians to deploy artillery closer to the fortifications at the front line.
Re; There were no less than four spyplanes over Roumania near Odessa, (incl one Italian) watching "grain" ships being loaded yesterday morning. Probably a smuggling operation of arms going on.
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Lebanon. The US is trying to get them to give up their claim to the oil fields contested with Israel. (Stena Icemax drilling ship and others are thereabouts.) Lebanon NEEDS the Oil - but maybe the US does too?
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To watch out for - Mossad massacres in Iran.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 7:09 utc | 250

"shelled to clumps"

I gotta remember that one. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 7:47 utc | 251

Speaking of fake news, while browsing Youtube I just saw a video headlined that Ukraine now has 900,000 troops ready to crush Russia.

I guess Zelenskyy's 700,000 magically grew by 200,000 over the past X days. Must be all the 16-60-year-old women they conscripted. :-)

Maybe it's Ritter's "million man army" he was blathering about.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 7:53 utc | 252

Well then, that was a super quick block on Twitter, dear MOA. But you are not smarter than British professionals.

My mother, with her siblings, they put their ear to the bedrock, and they could hear the thunder of Soviet artillery from the battle of Tali-Ihantala. This was the biggest battle in the history of Nordic countries. And a defensive victory for the combined Finnish-German force.

You are NOT smarter, I tell you. All you can do is ridicule.

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 7:54 utc | 253

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 15:54 utc | 61
"One thing I don't expect to happen at this time is a move on Odessa as Russia will want to see the remaining grain exported via that terminus prior to closing it off."

I tend to agree with Gonzalo Lira that Russia will take Nikolaev next, swing around Odessa to Transnistria, then cut off Odessa and wait them out. The grain that's there can go if the Ukies de-mine the port, but otherwise that's not Russia's problem. If the Ukies don't shoot at them, maybe Russia can de-mine the port, but I don't see the Ukies being that nice - not with Neptunes there.

Of course, they could finish off Zaporhizia or Karkhiv - but that still leaves Odessa port mined. Gonna have to take it sooner or later, regardless.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 14 2022 8:02 utc | 254

This is what another US foreign policy flop looks like:

The US has been quietly pushing companies to ramp up Russian fertilizer trade as a global food crisis looms, Bloomberg reports
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/us-companies-buy-russian-fertilizer-war-ukraine-grain-food-crisis-2022-

Russia earned nearly $100bn (£82.3bn) from oil and gas exports during the first 100 days of the war in Ukraine, according to a report.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61785111

NEW DELHI (AP) — India and other Asian nations are becoming an increasingly vital source of oil revenues for Moscow despite strong pressure from the U.S. not to increase their purchases

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-politics-business-china-middle-east-b6a90423ee7e2245e3eafc713083896f

Posted by: Paul | Jun 14 2022 8:12 utc | 255

Did the 200 mercenaries get the news that three mercenaries caught in Mariupol just received death sentences? They're one group that might have better chances swimming under fire than surrendering.

Posted by: Thirdeye | Jun 14 2022 5:04 utc | 242

Russia should use loudspeakers and/or drop leaflets informing the "cannon fodder" on the frontlines what will be and is the fate of caught mercenaries.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 14 2022 8:13 utc | 256

Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 7:09 utc | 251

I didn't get that first link and section of comment...

"PS. Possibly from last week?"

Possibly from before the Chechen's came to town...

Coming from you I take it is a dry humor with a good shot of bitters. Cheers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 14 2022 8:14 utc | 257

The US of A is trying to encircle Russia, because it is quite afraid of Russia, or whoever who might own submarines with hypersonic missiles, nuclear or not. The US of A won't even know who hit it, and when to take a return hit. Anyway, atm, only Russia owns hypersonic missiles, and in the future Russia might own hyper-hypersonic missiles. Encircling Russia in those small-fish countries -- Baltics, eventually, Finland and Sweden, Romania or Bulgaria, and some of the Balkans -- is practically useless, other than making money for the US private armament industry and the supply industry to the army.

None of the small-fish countries would stand a chance, if Russia cares to hit them with those missiles, nuclear or not. None of those countries has a Russian speaking Slav-Russian peoples, but by more or less Russian-hates, so why worry about them? The only country that has an itch to fight Russia could be Poland, but Poles are more shout than action, with an absolutely incompetent government.

By the way, it'd be interesting how the Black and other "coloured" peoples in the US of A react to a breakage of it to many divisions in the coming years. 🤔

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 8:23 utc | 258

And the issue with foreigners has also been resolved, we decided to hang them in public, and this will affect the increase in the pain threshold of “adventure hunters from abroad”. Further, if they begin to hang those who are convicted of war crimes in the Donbass, this will make the Ukrainian commanders already feel fear and defenselessness, and this is also a factor of the enemy’s pain playing for us.
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So the highest-ranking Western delegation is about to arrive in Kyiv: the leaders of France, Italy and Germany. We were called to return fire in order to demonstrate Moscow's "bloody policy" to the foreign presidents.

And yesterday, in the heat of the moment, I demanded retaliatory strikes on Kyiv. I was wrong, I admit. We must wait for the departure of these servants of the United States, and then let Ukraine have a yushka, it’s good to let everyone wash there, from a soldier to a marshal.
- Sladkov +

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 8:49 utc | 259

Peter AU1 | Jun 14 2022 8:14 utc | 258

The "action"; which is Kadyrof's troops walking along a road in central Severdonetsk with bicycles, cars passing, and people outside eating barbeques. Trying to find an enemy....

Not a Ukie anywhere near.
The link may refer to something that happened last week. Sorry for the confusion.
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Have you seen the video of the new supermarket in Kherson, or people on the beach in Mariupol, or old age pensioners in new settings (gardens)? Makes my local super look mean and empty. The Russian use of small vids on "how life is better under Russian aid/occupation" is very clever. They will appeal to most Ukrainians who were at the limit of poverty under Kievs rule. Better than any TV spot with "experts". Food and visible surplus, and peace! OK, it may be propaganda, but it must be effective.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 8:52 utc | 260

Another video from Yuri Podolyaka (in Russian) on the Psychology of war losses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCZg5KHsW9k

The side that wins wars is the side where society can tolerate the casualties
examples - USA did not lose a battle in the Vietnam war but lost the war , because they could not tolerate the casualties. The Russians won the Winter War in 1939-40 with Finland despite suffering casualties which were an order of magnitude higher


Quote "what is shocking to the westerners is the capacity of Russian society to take casualties which a western country could never accept, what horrifies the West is that the society in Russia is uniting behind the war despite the losses with no sign of an anti war movement"

Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 14 2022 9:17 utc | 261

Shooting near Novomikhailovka

More than 30 servicemen of the 25th battalion of the 54th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to lay down their arms and surrender after conducting fire preparations for the offensive of the Russian troops;
The Ukrainian servicemen, who occupied a stronghold in the area of ​​the Zveroferma, appealed by radio to the command of the Russian unit to cease fire and provide an exit corridor;
At about 10 p.m., servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with white flags began to advance towards the Russian positions.
At that moment, a detachment of Ukrainian nationalists, who arrived at the strong point on armored vehicles, opened crossfire at the servicemen of the 54th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the back.
As a result of this execution, 32 Ukrainian servicemen were fatally wounded and killed.

Against the backdrop of growing military failures and the demoralization of the Ukrainian troops, the Kyiv nationalist regime is trying to stop the retreat and surrender of its units by punitive actions of detachments. The lives of Ukrainian servicemen and mobilized fighters of territorial defense units mean nothing to the current leadership of Ukraine. (c) MO RF

Posted by: SVA | Jun 14 2022 9:21 utc | 262

Posted by: james | Jun 13 2022 17:26 utc | 94

& @ down south and @ ostro

"regarding uranium... i believe the usa can get a lot of this from canada..."

James,
I enjoy you comments, have a genuine Gold Label Russian Standard Vodka on me. Still in stock around here at my local Indian run bottle shop.

Australian miner Okapi Resources has big uranium deposits in the US.

https://stockhead.com.au/resources/uranium-player-okapi-opens-doors-to-us-investment-with-real-time-clearing-of-otc-stock/

https://www.okapiresources.com/company-overview

Posted by: Paul | Jun 14 2022 9:22 utc | 263

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 8:52 utc | 261

That vid was done by a local Ukrainian in Kherson, who speaks Russian, as he is a Russian speaker. I've given the link in an earlier post. Here it is again, https://youtu.be/NW4EKItT12g.

Also, you can try his earlier ones, say on 13.05.2022 https://youtu.be/GMN5d6Lyez4, and https://youtu.be/XiliUVW2LCg on 05.05.2022
If you watch him (and others) from the beginning you'd get the picture. For example, this Konstantin's page at YT is, https://www.youtube.com/user/zemlyanaroda/videos

There are many Ukrainians posting vids. There are also anti-Russian vids too from locals.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 9:24 utc | 264

SVA | Jun 14 2022 9:21 utc | 263

Similar to the destruction of all the bridges from Severdonetsk. Close all means of excape, by force if necessary.

I wonder just how close to total collapse the Ukrainian forces are, if the only solution to stay alive is to shoot the Azovs and commanders?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 9:26 utc | 265

re Black Cloud | Jun 14 2022 2:02 utc | 229
"Territorial concessions will not end the war. Russia has clearly stated its objectives not just for Ukraine (demilitarization and denazification) but also for NATO and the US in the draft treaties presented to them last year....."

nicely put, and true.

no reason for Russia to 'negotiate' on anything regarding the Ukraine, as their objectives are clear....

it will be a long haul, and very interesting to watch

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 14 2022 9:31 utc | 266

Posted by: ostro | Jun 13 2022 13:19 utc | 9

Could you provide a link to the original article, please?

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jun 14 2022 9:43 utc | 267

Here's another vid from another local young person (voice is young) walking in Kherson today, 14.06.2022, https://youtu.be/57utXVfxSHM

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 9:50 utc | 268

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 13 2022 23:02 utc | 193

The U.S. again accuses Russia of “taking grain from the Ukraine”

and never mind the oil the US steals from Syria every day.

AND steals Syria's wheat (can you say "projection?).

https://www.sana.sy/en/?p=191866

Hasaka, SANA_ A plane of the American occupation forces dropped a number of thermal balloons over the agricultural lands in the countryside of Shaddadi, south of Hasaka, setting off fire to wheat crops in Hasaka province.

SANA reporter quoted civil sources as saying that a US Apache helicopter on Sunday morning dropped a number of thermal balloons while flying close to the ground, setting a number of fires and burning more than 200 dunums of wheat fields in Adla village, in Shaddadi countryside, south of Hasaka

The sources added that the US occupation planes, while flying in the region, are carrying out provocative flights, as they approach very close to the homes of the people and the agricultural fields, causing panic and fear, especially among children.

During its illegal presence, the American occupation forces established bases in several areas in the Syrian al-Jazira, supplying them with weapons and logistic equipment through the illegal crossings with Iraq to reinforce their presence, steal Syrian oil, resources, and major crops.

Gh.A.Hassoun

Posted by: Seer | Jun 14 2022 9:50 utc | 269

Could you provide a link to the original article, please?

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jun 14 2022 9:43 utc | 268
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https://t.me/s/polkovnik_hodarenok

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 9:52 utc | 270

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 2:02 utc | 228

Germany deciding that Ukraine is more important than Russia defies logic. In fact it's sorta' like the US deciding that the little province of Taiwan is more important than China. It's a form of dangerous comedy. And Taiwan doesn't even have a comedian in charge!

Need to monitor for a large shipment of cookies [from the US] (cookies come before comedian!)...

Posted by: Seer | Jun 14 2022 9:55 utc | 271

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 9:52 utc | 271

Cheers mate!

Posted by: CM of Berlin | Jun 14 2022 10:01 utc | 272

Kherson today, 14.06.2022 a girl with a very nice voice at the local market, https://youtu.be/pbTEVc3T2RU

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 10:01 utc | 273

Media even tune down the justice in Bolivia:

Sweet Justice indeed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 14 2022 10:04 utc | 274

Anti-Spiegel reviews the reasons why Russia started the liberation of Ukraine from the Outlaw US Empire.

The entire bucket list of threats by the west toward Russia is considered here.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 14 2022 10:09 utc | 275

ostro | Jun 14 2022 9:24 utc | 265

The original tactic by the Russians (rely on popular support) only failed because of the repression by the Azovs, and the difficulty of people to excape from their "force-jacket". However, the continuation of the same policies; be good to surrendering soldiers and the population, cancel debts, rebuilding fast and all the other means at their disposal, does seem to work.
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Note that Putin has what I call the "popular touch". He talks to everyone, kids to grown-ups and in large Q&A or Parlimentary sessions. The original concept at the outset of the war, of being correct to individuals from the lowest "levels", which is very restricted in Political circles, is definitely appreciated by those who have no "voice" in Government or authority. It is now starting to bear fruit in Ukraine. Once the anti-Russian propaganda is questioned and dispelled (ie. "they will kill you etc).

Of course there will be vids from both anti and pro sources, but which ones are going to have longer term attraction for Russian speakers?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 10:11 utc | 276

Perhaps Russia overthrowing the Tsar was the act that enraged the western monarchies and they want it back ha bloody ha ha
khazaria never died city of london never sleeps wall street and the rise of hitler wall street and the bolshevik revolution by anthont sutton

a nice old book
The Last Days of the Romanovs: How Tsar Nicholas II and Russia's Imperial Family Were Murdered_, first published in 1920
written by British journalist Robert Wilton is a fascinating account of the untimely murders of the Russian tsar Nicholas II and his family which fully explores who was really behind these murders. Robert Wilton was the correspondent of the London _Times_ in Russia for over 17 years and this book details his account of what happened to the Russian tsar which led to the rise of Bolshevism

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 14 2022 10:33 utc | 277

So with all this new batch of trash propaganda being printed in all western media. Be it government run and or commercial for profit from selling fake news, lies and complete fiction.

It would appear all the leading "ministry of truth" censors are attending a conference . Their assistant censors are all brain dead.

The problem has become. On how to sell the corrupt hero has lost. All his and our minions in country 404 will be jailed for life in a siberian gulag. Most of Europa is about to jump ship too.. How are we selling the usual Yankee slicing and dicing of country 404. To appease one very angry bear. Also how are we going to sell the down sell or throw the equally useless "NAZO" disorganized rabble, under a bus......

Like all Yankee military undertakings since , 1812. There have been zero exit plans....

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 14 2022 10:43 utc | 278

Donetsk just received another massive shelling, all in urban areas.

Why is Russia focusing on other areas in Donbas, when so many lives are currently being threatened in the major city of Donetsk?

Is there not even a role for the air force, or how are all those artillery pieces just beyond the contact line still operating with impunity?

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-06-13/three-killed-in-artillery-attack-on-donetsk-market-separatist-news-agency

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 14 2022 10:52 utc | 279

In response to sln2002@197,

Not sure what that's supposed to demonstrate, since even the president's address hints at the non-aligned, non-determined status of Kazakhstan. CSTO's role in stabilizing Kazakhstan is given secondary significance. The principle of “different views, but one nation” carries negative connotations with ethno-nationalists and West-oriented ministers in the government.

Reforms to liberalize the political structure in Kazakhstan do little to alleviate concerns that Kazakhstan will get burned by its continued cooperation with Western structures. Only the quick response of the CSTO diffused the situation last time, and yet the government allows elected officials to undermine the country's CSTO membership status and its ties with Russia as part of its "differing views" policy. Its official response to sanctions placed on Russia is essentially that the country will follow the Western lead.

I would happily be wrong, but I see parallels with Yanukovich in Ukraine, and his attempt to milk both West & East by creating conditions in the domestic political arena, where he alone stood in the way of radical nationalist forces and, to a smaller extent, Russia oriented socialist parties from seizing power, funneling foreign support to his corrupt but moderate administration. Tokayev similarly appears intent on maintaining a warm investment climate with Western nations, while demonstrating to Russia & China that the political scene in Kazakhstan consists of ethno-nationalists, Atlanticists and 5'th columnists who, if R&C aren't supportive enough, might take over and firmly place the country in the Western orbit.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 14 2022 10:54 utc | 280

I said a couple of days ago here that Avdiivka - a small town of 30k people pre war and basically a suburb of Donetsk city - was still untouched three months after start of SMO.

I don't think it is to the RFs credit that over three months later this suburb of Donetsk is still full of artillery - including the latest French units - lobbing shells into Donetsk at will.

Of course, it is apparently the most fortified area in Donbass.

But surely there should be enough drones to monitor the area 24/7 and take out any unit that pokes its nose out ?

Stalin would have just levelled Avdiika entirely on the first day.

Odd that RF forces don't seem to have a strategy for this area.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 10:58 utc | 281

wall street and the bolshevik revolution by some mouthbreathing idiot

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 14 2022 10:33 utc | 276

Oh yes yes oh of course oh yes for sure 🙃

I'm sure Wall Street was SUPER INTERESTED in bolstering a political faction hellbent on eradicating rentiers, the financial "economy" and, in general, private ownership of business.

Inb4 "but the jooooooos the jjjjooooooos they're all joooooos it's jooooos all the way dooooownnn , jjjjjjjjoooooooos"

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 14 2022 11:11 utc | 282

Stalin would have just levelled Avdiika entirely on the first day.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 10:58 utc | 280
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Putin is not a communist, or Stalin...or, even an American...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 11:12 utc | 283

moaobserver, 280:

> Odd that RF forces don't seem to have a strategy for this area.

An obvious guess is that for the time being it's just too costly to take the place. Remember, this isn't the US against a few ill equipped guerillas, it's Russia/DPR/LPR against a real army.

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 14 2022 11:26 utc | 284

Interesting facts about Ukraine. From Larry Johnson's
blog.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 5:12 utc | 243

Should be one of the wealthiest countries if run honestly rather than a cabal of oligarchs robbing it blind. And now to be destroyed by a war it didn't need and should never have had. Amazing. There again how many countries with huge potential are ruined for their people through the corruption and greed of their "rulers" and "elites"?

Posted by: Organic | Jun 14 2022 11:28 utc | 285

The vehicle comes under the ‘Panther’ nickname in an apparent nod to Nazi Germany’s iconic PzKpfw V medium tank."

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 13 2022 23:54 utc | 207

The reputable Panther never was a game changer on the battlefield (though slightly superior to the Pz-IV) and proved to be prone to multiple mechanic failures. Yet German MIC advertizing, having lured Nazi management into financing its production in huge amounts, kept on laudating that lemon for decades after the war to the point any heap of metal can be called "Panther" and immediately felt as strong and elegant.
Heavy tanks like Tiger-I were stronger and resisted somehow better direct fire from Russian counterpart - up to the moment T-34 received the 85mm caliber. But they were really heavy and found themselves stuck in many awkward situations, besides burning a lot of fuel Germany didn't have. BTW same thing happened to Me 262 jet fighters of which 1,400 were ever produced in 1944-45 but only 300 ever saw combat!
The overall most beloved German armored vehicle ended up being the venerable Sturmgeschutz and its short 75 mm because its low profile made it harder to be hit by Soviet anti tank fire.
It is noticeable that the first combat of the mythical Tiger II (Königstiger) in the east ended up in failure, due to their overall shape - the marvel being mistaken to Panthers - by the Soviet who destroyed them all the same in an ambush with 85mm equipped T-34 !

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Jun 14 2022 11:48 utc | 286

Natural gas supplies via the Nord Stream pipeline will be reduced to 100 million cubic meters, from the planned 167 cubic meters Gazprom announced on Tuesday, June 14th.

The reason for the reduction was the non-return by Siemens of gas pumping units from repair to the Portovaya compressor station.

Also, the decision to reduce the operating mode was influenced by the development of the overhaul life of gas compressor units (GCU) and the identified technical malfunctions of engines, for which Rostekhnadzor issued an order to temporarily ban activities.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 11:51 utc | 287

ostro@ 286
So, russia, the most self reliant nation, eh?
No need for western parts or machines, can even make cars, like Moskvitch, themselves?
Right, we will see. Does not look good.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 11:59 utc | 288

Berdyansk 12.06.2022, Liski beach, Sea of Azov
https://youtu.be/yjct_yprxeM

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 12:04 utc | 289

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 11:59 utc | 287
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Well, there's a demented Joe...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 12:06 utc | 290

"Encircling Russia in those small-fish countries -- Baltics, eventually, Finland and Sweden, Romania or Bulgaria, and some of the Balkans"

"None of those countries has a Russian speaking Slav-Russian peoples"

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 8:23 utc | 259

Latvia:
24.2% Russians
3.1% Belarusians
2.2% Ukrainians

Estonia:
23.6% Russians
2.1% Ukrainians
0.9% Belarusians

Lithuania:
5.0% Russians
1.0% Belarusians
0.5% Ukrainians

What is this, the latest ethnobullshitter infiltrator tactic?

Begin by reposting news to gain confidence, then casually inject the grossest racialist lies?

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 14 2022 12:15 utc | 291

@S #254

Hi. The name “S” is already used by me. Please use another one. Thank you.

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 12:24 utc | 292

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 14 2022 12:15 utc | 290
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Oh, forget the "small-fish" mistake about the small-fish countries...😄
They are there, of course, but it doesn't mean much...if needed, the little Balt-countries can be overtaken...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 12:31 utc | 293

Berdyansk celebrated Pushkin's birthday and Russian Language Day on 10.06.2022
https://youtu.be/Z3cn3NTQ6R4

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 12:33 utc | 294

ostro @ 289
Or perhaps somebody, whose message can't be countered, so have to attack in some other way?
Again, we'll see. Ordered a new car yet? If I remember correctly, It was not unusual in the past to have to wait for a few years for a russian made car. Must be worth the wait :)

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 12:34 utc | 295

The house next door is adding dormers. Workmen are throwing debris off the rather high roof. Can't get to my front door without risking being hit in the head.

So I call the city. They look up the building permit. Oh, the subcontractors are all Ukrainian. They never listen anyway, right now we leave them alone entirely.

So the wife does get hit in the head. Call the city. We can't help. Call the police. My wife has been assaulted. Oh, she was assaulted by Ukrainians, that is allowed. And we will arrest you for hate speech if you say Ukrainian one more time.

If you get hit by something heavy, or something sharp, if you are injured, maybe we can do something. Maybe. No action until there is an injury. At which point the cop is hit in the head by a shingle. And he blows it off because Ukrainian. It was a love tap.

So we walk to the end of the block and come through the alley the long way around. Not completely safe but coming in from the rear a better view of trash being thrown and a chance of a warning.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 14 2022 12:36 utc | 296

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 12:34 utc | 294
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Oops!
How much did you pay for gas today? 😄
The idea is to crush the US/EU/NATO with its own sanctions...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 12:38 utc | 297

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 7:54 utc | 254

You forgot to add. Then along came the Amerikan Ambassador to Moskva. He brokered a peace deal to end the "continuation war". For a very steep price to be paid by a country called Finland.

For the Amerikan Pirates. This was a great really cheap deal. For zero military costs to themselves.

Amerika has a bad habit since 1812 ! Of stealing , slicing and dicing foreign countries for profit.

As for country 404. Now that the foolish ones have lost an avoidable war! And could have saved valuable innocent civilians from 2014. Prevent the destruction of billions of 'rubles' in property damages.

Amerika is now discussing, how to slice and dice country 404 . To appease one very angry bear and dragon. For the foolish Yankee pirates had been poking both countries with a three inch long stick.

Only this time, the impact of piracy , has very deadly and lethal future consequences.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 14 2022 12:42 utc | 298

ostro @ 296
Far smaller percentage of my income than anybody in eastern Ukraine, excepting russian oligarchs.

As for sanctions, I say again, we will see. But russian self-reliance is decidedly not looking good ATM.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 12:44 utc | 299

Many posts and comments here have recorded the change of tone and content in Western MSM reports, but...

To read the Financial Times is to crossover into an alternate universe where Russia is (still) almost on the point of surrender, and Ukraine very close (still) to declaration of victory

It’s worth reading today’s non paywalled report, ‘Such issues [delays in western arms deliveries] might be contributing to a sense in Moscow that it could win the war,’ and especially the comments section, in which presumably an FT type white collar class display a brand of vicious optimism usually found only in degenerate gamblers

https://www.ft.com/content/3fab0893-cd5e-46b6-9bfe-6b0aff4fcb48

Posted by: Gerrard White | Jun 14 2022 12:48 utc | 300

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