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June 13, 2022

Media Tune Down Ukraine Hysteria - Continue To Print Falsehoods

The Ukraine war has fallen below the fold of the New York Times and the Washington Post. It is not the only sign that the 'western' war rage and cheer leading for Ukraine has ended. When one scrolls down though there are still Ukraine headlines on the NYT front page.

One is to its "live" coverage with the current headline saying:

Ukraine Live Updates: Russian Forces Move Into Center of Sievierodonetsk.

That 'live update' is two week behind the real news. As Reuters reported on May 31:

Russia takes most of Sievierodonetsk city in eastern Ukraine.

KYIV, May 31 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Tuesday that Russia had taken control of most of the eastern industrial city of Sievierodonetsk, a bombed-out wasteland whose capture Moscow has made the principal objective of its invasion.

Some 'western' analysts had since falsely claimed that Ukraine had launched a counteroffensive into the city. That counterattack in fact never has taken place. The forces who were supposed to launch it where shelled to clumps before they could set off.

The NYT live update also includes this headline and report:

Amnesty says Russia’s use of cluster munitions caused widespread civilian deaths in Kharkiv.

Reading a bit into it one finds:

Amnesty said 606 civilians were killed in the Kharkiv region between Feb. 24 and April 28, citing the head of the regional medical department.

In investigating 41 strikes that killed more than 60 civilians, Amnesty said its researchers found fragments of cluster sub-munitions as well as parts of rockets known to carry such weapons. Cluster munitions are banned under a 2010 treaty because of the risk they pose for noncombatants, but Russia, Ukraine and the United States are not among the more than 100 countries that have signed the convention. Ukraine has also used cluster munitions in the war.

Some 600 civilians died in Karkiv over a month. Debris from cluster bombs, which both sides use, was also found. That must mean that Russian forces must have killed those civilians?

Really?

This reminds me of 2008 when Amnesty's sister organization Human Rights Watch published a fake cluster bomb report during the Georgia war. Back then the HRW analyst Marc Garlasco falsely identified 'western' produced cluster bombs which had been fired by Georgia as Russian ones. It was easy to debunk that claim simply by checking HRW's own cluster bomb identification charts. (Shortly thereafter Garlasco was  suspended and then fired over his fondness for Nazi memorabilia. His false and debunked report however is still on HRW's website.)

The Washington Post front page also links, below the fold, to live coverage. The current headline being:

Ukrainian forces pushed from Severodonetsk city’s center; NATO chief to Sweden

Again, the claim about Severodonetsk' city center is false. The Ukrainian forces have been 'pushed out' of it 14 days ago. Aside from the industrial western part, the Azot factory, the city has been under Russian control since May 31.

The WaPo live coverage includes this part:

Update from key battlefields: Russia makes gains in Severodonetsk, targets bridges

Slovyansk area: Russian forces are advancing toward this city in the Donetsk region and have made minor gains north of it. Russian troops have sought to destroy bridges over the Siverskyi Donets river to disrupt the flow of supplies and reinforcements between Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, but the destruction has made it difficult for them to successfully attack Slovyansk because of challenges crossing the river, according to analysts.

Here is a map of east Ukraine with red marking the Russian held territory.


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Slovyansk is on the very left side of the map. Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are on the very right side of the map. A crow will have to fly 60 kilometer (37 miles) to reach from one to the others. Now please reread the WaPO paragraph above and see if it makes any geographical sense. How would destroyed bridges between Severodonetsk and Lysychansk hinder any attack on Slovyansk?

The 'analysts' WaPo linked as sources for that paragraph are the neo-conservative Institute for the Study of War which is the widely quoted prime outlet for Ukraine slanted propaganda about the war. It believe that it is also the source for the false claim both papers print about Severodonetsk's city center.

Now on towards real news: U.S. president Joe Biden has told NATO to end the proxy war in Ukraine as soon as possible.

Dr. David Lütke @DrLuetke - 20:33 UTC · Jun 12, 2022

Today #NATO's #Stoltenberg stated that #negotiations are needed for #peace in #Ukraine.

Quote:
"Peace is possible. The question is how much territory, how much independence...are [Ukraine] willing to sacrifice for peace."

Rhetoric is changing:
What happened to Ukraine winning?
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This is the same Stoltenberg who in early April said that NATO must prepare for a ‘long haul’ in Ukraine. Who then said that the war could drag on for years. Jens Stoltenberg, who told us in May that we must put values over profits, is now talking about peace for territorial and sovereignty concessions.

It seems that someone has told Biden that there is zero chance for the Democrats to win in the midterm elections if gas prices stay beyond 5 dollar per gallon. Or maybe this Saturday NYT piece really got under his skin:

Should Biden Run in 2024? Democratic Whispers of ‘No’ Start to Rise.

In interviews, dozens of frustrated Democratic officials, members of Congress and voters expressed doubts about the president’s ability to rescue his reeling party and take the fight to Republicans.

Whatever.

Russia is winning the war. The Ukraine has lost the war and will also lose a large chunk of its territory. Its western fueled 'resistance' against the inevitable has seen to that. The U.S. and NATO now acknowledge that much.

Unfortunately some of Zelenski's advisors are still unable to recognize that:

Михайло Подоляк @Podolyak_M - 7:12 UTC · Jun 13, 2022

Being straightforward – to end the war we need heavy weapons parity:
1000 howitzers caliber 155 mm;
300 MLRS;
500 tanks;
2000 armored vehicles;
1000 drones.

Contact Group of Defense Ministers meeting is held in #Brussels on June 15. We are waiting for a decision.

"To end the war" ... Ukraine needs as many weapons as it had when the war started? What happened to those weapons? Will it also need 50 pink unicorns?

It is over. How much territory Ukraine will have to give will be decided by Russia.

Posted by b on June 13, 2022 at 12:28 UTC | Permalink

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Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 12:31 utc | 292

I don't give a flying shit what you call these countries, my beef is that you stated that NONE of them has a "russian-slav population". Which is a plain falsehood.

After saying the other day that "Lenin was foreign to russia" and "a jew" (I don't give a fuck if you call him "crazy")

The resulting picture is that you follow an extremely exclusionary criterion for what is "russian", to the point of not only contradicting contemporary russian policy, but also looking useful to certain US interests, and reeking of racialism.

It just slips here and there, either you can't really help it; or it's integral to your purpose here.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 14 2022 12:49 utc | 301

"the other arm of word domination: The Colonial Christian Churches."

Posted by: K | Jun 14 2022 0:31 utc | 214

And your proof of that is what exactly?

'Cos from where I sit the "power" behind the thrones is more satanic than anything else. But sure, you're entitled to your opinion, no matter how off-base it might be

Now if your concern is a particular denomination, i.e. the Papacy, then yes, that is indeed corrupt/compromised in a demonic sort of way, and there is ample of evidence to support that IMHO. But to tar all of Christianity with that brush is without basis

Posted by: ianMoone | Jun 14 2022 12:54 utc | 302

@300;

I agree, no idea why such obvious neo-Nazi socks are allowed to post here. In my view it repulses more informed posters from commentating.

But, not my circus, not my monkeys, I guess.

Regarding the FT;

It used to be a must-read and free of the usual propaganda - as the oligarch class wants objective information on where to invest.

In 2015 it was bought out by Nikkei - a conservative Japanese publishing company. Since then the decline in reporting quality has been slow but steady.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 12:55 utc | 303

If Donetsk faces shelling using French cluster weapons and US howitzers it may be time to destroy launch platforms in Adeevka even at cost of collateral damage. It seems bizarre to sacrifice civilians in a Donetsk and preserve them wherever Ukr weapons systems are installed - perverse even

Showing Ukr there is no protection in militarizing civilian areas might change policy

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 14 2022 12:57 utc | 304

As for sanctions, I say again, we will see. But russian self-reliance is decidedly not looking good ATM.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 12:44 utc | 298
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Oh, there appears to be shortage of tampons in your country these days, other than baby formula...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:06 utc | 305

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 14 2022 12:49 utc | 300
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The thing is Russia doesn't give damn, where the US stationed its bases in the poodle countries, if it has to hit them. Russia knows that the US of A cannot be trusted, and given the chance, the US of A would double-cross those poodles.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:09 utc | 306

302 moaobserver

So...the FT merely reflects the casino capitalism of it's owners and audience, a process which has replaced any sense of realistic/productive use of capital

Still proclaiming victory in public, while privately and prudently impeding armaments deliveries, and investing in any and all of the profitable sanctions evading businesses and opportunities thrown up by their warmongering

Posted by: Gerrard White | Jun 14 2022 13:12 utc | 307

ostro @ 304
Tampons or cars? Baby formula or gas pumping units?
It seems both have made their choices. Now we'll just have to wait and see, which turn out to be more important for society.

Must say, a bit different ring in those alternatives than the old gem 'Guns or butter' :)

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 13:14 utc | 308

Anyway, to calm the heart, watch how Berdyansk celebrated the Russia Day on 12.06.2022, https://youtu.be/IroN-wUcE20

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:14 utc | 309

@306 Gerrard White;

Institutional bias of being anti-China because of the new owners. So anyone allied with China is bad.

Foolish of Nikkei to throw away the credibility of the pink lady like that.

No doubt on the UK side there are plenty of intelligence community cut-outs as well.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 13:19 utc | 310

from Asia Times
DC shifts to damage control as Ukraine defense fades
One possible outcome: a Korean-style armistice, with a line between East and West Ukraine but no peace treaty

Having made multiple declarations that Russia would cease to be a world power after the Ukraine war, President Biden and his top officials are now focused on damage control – warning Ukraine through proxies that it will have to sacrifice territory for a ceasefire.
Speaking at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser in Los Angeles, Biden blamed Volodymyr Zelensky for allegedly not heeding American warnings about a Russian invasion:
And, folks, nothing like this has happened since World War Two. I know a lot of people thought I was maybe exaggerating, but I knew — and we had data to sustain — he was going to go in, off the border. There was no doubt. And Zelenskyy didn’t want to hear it, nor did a lot of people. Understanding why they didn’t want to hear it. But he went in.

That’s a turnabout from April 25, when Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin declared in Kyiv that the United States wanted to destroy Russia’s capacity to undertake wars on this scale: “We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine. So it has already lost a lot of military capability. And a lot of its troops, quite frankly. And we want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that capability.”
. . .But NATO’s General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg, who has taken a hawkish stance towards Russia since the inception of the war, spelled out the conditions for peace on June 12 at a press conference with the president of Finland:
“Peace is possible in Ukraine. The only question is how much are you willing to pay for this peace. How much are you willing to sacrifice land, independence, sovereignty, freedom and democracy. And that is a very difficult moral dilemma.”
One possible outcome that’s been floated in the American media and closely considered in Moscow is a Korean-style armistice, with an armistice line between East and West Ukraine but without a peace treaty. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 13:21 utc | 311

@262 Aslangeo

For anyone else reading, FYI - Yuri P's actual channel was purged from YouTube after it gained more views from Ukraine than Arestovich, by representing the other side. Any videos there now are reposts, and are unlikely to last. Original source can now be found on Telegram and RuTube, albeit without the auto-caption/auto-translate feature (which I think anyway must have a hard time with his diction).

Posted by: ptb | Jun 14 2022 13:22 utc | 312

So, russia, the most self reliant nation, eh? No need for western parts or machines, can even make cars, like Moskvitch, themselves? Right, we will see. Does not look good.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 11:59 utc | 287

Seems only reasonable to me to assume that a Russian without a car is better off than, say, a German without heat.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 13:27 utc | 313

malenkov @ 312

ATM, I disagree. In october, yes I agree. But it ain't october yet.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 13:31 utc | 314

. . .and from Alastair Crooke, Europe is recoiling
‘If We Don’t End the War, War will End Us’

Europe now is stuck ‘up to the gills’ with wide-ranging economic sanctions on Russia, and unable to confront the consequences.
Emmanuel Macron irritated many people (just as Kissinger did at the WEF), when he said, ‘we should not humiliate Vladimir Putin’, because there must be a negotiated settlement. This has been French policy from early in this saga. More importantly, it is the Franco-German policy, and therefore it may end as the EU’s policy as well.
. . .Johnson’s dramatic collapse in popular standing, resulting from his economic belligerence towards Russia, is sending the European leadership in to a spin. “We are seeing panic in Europe due to Ukraine”, President Erdogan remarked.
What is notable is that for all Macron’s embrace of ‘European strategic autonomy’ in calling for a deal, he may be closer to Washington than are the London hawks. Yes, at the outset, the word ‘deal’ was vaguely present in American discourse, but then there followed a long hiatus in which, for about two and a half months, the narrative became solely: the need to bloody Putin’s nose.

The U.S. mood – the narrative – is turning, seemingly reconciled to more bad military news emanating out of Ukraine (with even quasi-neo-con Edward Luttwak throwing-in the towel, saying Russia will win, and that Donbass should have a say in its own fate).
Just as Johnson’s embrace of Ukraine is viewed as a desperate bid to summon the legacy of Margaret Thatcher’s Falklands War (Thatcher faced rising inflation and mounting domestic anger at her agenda, yet the victorious conflict over Argentina in 1982 helped power her to re-election), “Talk of the Ukraine crisis providing a ‘Falklands moment’ for Johnson – however – is simply fool’s gold for desperate Conservatives”, wrote Steven Fielding, a professor of political history at the University of Nottingham. It may prove ‘fool’s gold’ for Brussels too. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 13:32 utc | 315

@Skiffer #279:

I would happily be wrong, but I see parallels with Yanukovich in Ukraine, and his attempt to milk both West & East by creating conditions in the domestic political arena, where he alone stood in the way of radical nationalist forces and, to a smaller extent, Russia oriented socialist parties from seizing power, funneling foreign support to his corrupt but moderate administration.

Yep. Yanukovich was actually sponsoring extreme nationalists:

Lukashenko claims that Yanukovich was financing the Right Sector (RIA Novosti, October 17, 2014 — in Russian)

Belarussian President Aleksandr Lukashenko claims that former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich was funding the radical organization Right Sector himself.

“Viktor Fyodorovich [Yanukovich — S] and his associates were financing the Right Sector, because it was allegedly against Yuliya (Timoshenko)… They have lost all sense of reason,” Lukashenko said at a press conference on Friday in Minsk.

The association of Ukrainian radical nationalist organizations Right Sector is associated with the nationalist party Svoboda. During the Euromaidan actions (end of November 2013 – February 2014), Right Sector radicals took part in clashes with law enforcement officers and seized administrative buildings in the regions of the Ukraine.

“And so he (Yanukovich) created this force for himself, which later destroyed him. That’s what was happening in the Ukraine, it was happening before my eyes. I warned Viktor Fyodorovich [Yanukovich — S] that he shouldn’t be doing that, that this [coup — S] will happen,” said the Belarussian President.

He also noted that the corruption system under Yanukovich became the cause of the Ukrainian crisis. “Such a system of extortions, bribes, corruption, which was simply intolerable. Manageability was lost, politicians began fighting with each other [literally — S],” Lukashenko said.

So much for Yanukovich being a “pro-Russian President”.

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 13:33 utc | 316

ATM, I disagree. In october, yes I agree. But it ain't october yet.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 13:31 utc | 313

October is just four months away, and German industry is already shrieking with pain. Meanwhile Russia is suffering from an acute yogurt cup shortage.

I think you underestimate the Russian pain threshold, but I guess that helps you sleep better at night.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 13:36 utc | 317

and from Martin Jay...
The West’s ‘Endgame’ Might Be Nearer Than We Think in Ukraine. Tick Tock

. . .If we are to look at the Washington Post and its servile sister in the UK, The Guardian, we could be forgiven for thinking that now it’s only a question of time before Zelensky is alienated as both Biden and Johnson point the finger at him for their own economies’ collapse. As Americans have to come to terms with inflation and the price of gas at well over five dollars and Brits face the same as well as an energy bill crisis this winter, there will be much finger pointing away from their own policies. Joe Biden, for weeks now, has already tried blaming Putin as he heads towards the midterm elections with the Democrats facing a beating which will deprive him of the last strand of credibility as he looks towards his own comical re-election bid in 2024. But it hasn’t worked. The American public isn’t swallowing it and a new scapegoat has to be found. And quickly.

Hence Biden has turned to his chums on the Washington Post who will dutifully manufacture some fake news for him, when asked. How else to explain the claims made in this extraordinary article which asserts that the Ukrainian president wAas “warned” about Putin invading but “didn’t want to hear”. After a record-breaking 40 billion dollars of U.S. taxpayers’ cash has just been sent to the Ukraine with no real impact, is Biden now realising that the U.S. Public are about to turn on him? The timing of the piece, along with its thrust, is interesting. Can we assume that the good relationship between Biden and Zelensky is now over? . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 13:39 utc | 318

I think you underestimate the Russian pain threshold, but I guess that helps you sleep better at night.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 13:36 utc | 316
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Well, the majority of the inhabitants of the Empire of Lies don't know what is Russia, or who is a Russian. They forgot that even from Afghanistan, they had to ruuuun...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:43 utc | 319

@ 307 joe6pack- The ghost of Joseph Goebbels clubfootedly stomps through the MSM these days.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 14 2022 13:44 utc | 320

Well, the majority of the inhabitants of the Empire of Lies don't know what is Russia, or who is a Russian. They forgot that even from Afghanistan, they had to ruuuun...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:43 utc | 318

Not sure what you're trying to say (because it's unclear what the antecedent of your "they" is), but it's the Americans who ran (leaving a "government" that collapsed within days), whereas the USSR ran out of money and withdrew in an entirely orderly fashion (leaving a government that survived another couple of years).

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 13:48 utc | 321

@ 307 joe6pack- The ghost of Joseph Goebbels clubfootedly stomps through the MSM these days.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 14 2022 13:44 utc | 319

Now, now! Goebbels was actually pretty smart. Wrote a crappy novel though -- like Stefan George except in prose and without the pederasty.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 13:49 utc | 322

In response to Joe6pack@287,

I think it's worth noting that they're reducing capacity along Nord-Stream and not, say, Power of Siberia or Sakhalin, and the reasons as stated are knock-on effects caused by the sanctions imposed by the recipients of that very same gas. It's not far fetched to see this as a political decision, with a fig leaf of poetic justice on top.

I see no reason to expect any technological shortfall in the production of replacement parts, but there's little reason to hurry the process along just to satiate European energy needs at a cheaper rate. In fact, there may be plans for more ostensibly objective factors for cutting supply capacity, worsening the European energy deficit and driving up the price of gas even further.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 14 2022 13:52 utc | 323

A metric ton of coal was 700zl in the same time last year in Poland, a coal mining country itself, but already now the price had jumped to 3000zl!

(1USD=4.46zl today)

Poland was in the US bandwagon loudly shouting for sanctions against Russia...and, sanctioned itself!

Coal is needed for heating and to produce electricity, so there's be very high electricity bills in the next quarter. By the way, the minister concerned surname is Moskwa! Her name is Anna Moskwa.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:53 utc | 324

malenkov @ 316

I didn't even think about russians pain threshold, I know that to be incredibly high. They are used to growing cabbage etc. But how will the shortages affect every day life?

Also, western pain threshold hasn't been properly tested in what, 45 years? Maybe it will turn out to be higher than expected?

World looked quite different 4 months ago, who knows what it will look like after 4 months?

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 13:54 utc | 325

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 13:48 utc | 320

They, mean the Americans...😄

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:54 utc | 326

I didn't even think [snip]

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 13:54 utc | 324

QED.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 13:57 utc | 327

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 14 2022 13:52 utc | 322
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It is the "reason given," but doesn't have to be the real reason.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 13:58 utc | 328

from Ukrinform
Will Chancellor Olaf Scholz visit Kyiv? The comedian Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said he expects Germany to more clearly define its priorities in relations with Russia and support Ukraine in its EU membership aspirations during Chancellor Olaf Scholz's visit to Kyiv.
The head of state stated this in an interview with the Heute Journal program on Germany's ZDF television channel, Ukrinform reports.
"I expect that he [Olaf Scholz] will personally support us and that he will be personally confident that Ukraine can join the EU and that candidate status will be granted to Ukraine as early as June," Zelensky said. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 14:02 utc | 329

malenkov @326
Did you read what I wrote?
Maybe if I'd phrased it 'I never doubted the pain threshold...'

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:09 utc | 330

Alastair Crooke
Johnson’s dramatic collapse in popular standing, resulting from his economic belligerence towards Russia, is sending the European leadership in to a spin.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 13:32 utc | 314

I never thought Alastair Crooke stupid but here he is. Johnson's decline in ratings has nothing to do with foreign policy. The ordinary British voter does not think much about Ukraine, but Partygate, Johnson and his cabal partying away under the cameras, while many people's relatives died unvisited in the time of lockdown has struck a deep chord with people in Britain, and will never be recovered from. Johnson uttering warmongering cr*p about Ukraine has no effect, other than on the said to be 2,000 Brits who have gone to Ukraine to fight as volunteers, and who will soon be ex-Brits, as they risk being six feet under. The other factor in Johnson's decline is of course the cost of living crisis.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:09 utc | 331

A German TV channel passes off the attack of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine on Donetsk as a “Russian attack” (RIA Novosti, June 14, 2022 — in Russian)

In a news program on the German TV channel Tagesschau, footage of the shelling of the Mayskiy market in Donetsk by Kiev was passed off as an “attack by the Russian military”.

The footage showed the consequences of attacks by Ukrainian militants on the market, the work of fire and rescue services.

“There is little left of this market in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk. A Russian attack reportedly killed three people and injured several others. The Ukraine is becoming increasingly powerless against massive shelling by the Russian army,” the news presenter said.

The day before, Ukrainian servicemen fired three shells with a caliber of 155 millimeters at the Budyonnovskiy district of Donetsk, where the Mayskiy market is located. A fire started at the site of the explosion. During the shelling of the market, three civilians were killed, including a child. Another 18 people were injured, including two children.

In addition, other districts of the DPR capital were also shelled—Kirovskiy, Kuybyshevskiy and Kievskiy, where a gas pipeline caught fire because of this. According to a RIA Novosti correspondent, these attacks were one of the most intense in recent times.

Posted by: S | Jun 14 2022 14:11 utc | 332

@ 321 malenkov - I didn't know Goebbels wrote novels. I have only read his diaries. They are quite intersting when one lines them up with historical events.
I am not familiar with Stefan George. Thank you!
The one quote of Goebbels' that sticks with me is "Pity the small countries." I think he wrote that when Holland was invaded. Hitler's clubfooted cuckold. So romantic.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 14 2022 14:13 utc | 333

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 13:54 utc | 324

Also, western pain threshold hasn't been properly tested in what, 45 years? Maybe it will turn out to be higher than expected?

Pain threshold relies on the peception of the purpose for which this pain is endured. For the Russian people, this is quite easy : NATO's expansion has been posing an existential threat to russia for the las 25 years. For the European Union, what should we be suffering for? Preserving "democracy" in a country where the leader of the main opposition party is jailed and where all media have been muzzled or closed if they don't toe the government's line? To stop a Russian invasion? Realy, I do not see why I shoud freeze or go hungry for the sake of greedy morons who gleefully destroy the foundations of our societies in the hope of adding a few percents to their alreadyinordinate wealth. If you didn't like the Gilets Jaunes, too bad for you! Come October, their new iteration will be back throughout the EU with a vengeance...

Posted by: capitaine Danrit | Jun 14 2022 14:16 utc | 334

Pope Francis weighs in. . .or piles on?
. . .from TheGuardian. .
Pope Francis has said Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine was “perhaps somehow provoked” as he recalled a conversation in the run-up to the war in which he was warned Nato was “barking at the gates of Russia”. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 14:18 utc | 335

moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 13:19 utc | 309

I take your point about Japan being anti China, and the wish to put the current conflict on ice or prolong it at the current low temperature while preparations can be made for the Taiwan takeover

But - they used to say that Wall Street was the Mandarin Primary School class, and was making a very good living out of China, presumably the City of London types too

They must be betting on making a lot more money out of war on everyone

Posted by: Gerrard White | Jun 14 2022 14:23 utc | 336

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 14 2022 12:15 utc | 290

I noticed his broad stoke statements at times attempting to suggest that he has such a fantastic grasps of facts that no one should even consider doubting him.

Smells of arrogance.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 14 2022 14:27 utc | 337

281
anthony c sutton books do not use words like yahoo clearly you are unread dead head
i am jew of the orient not fake khazarian magpie cookoo

douglas reeds books eustace mullins they name the real historic criminals

281 silly billy rebut or shut it
khazars are not semite the children of gaza are
your busted

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 14 2022 14:27 utc | 338

Odessa, from the Ukrainian side, 14.06.2022. In Russian, of course.
https://youtu.be/afMXoJZXmwc

Beautiful city. Hope to visit is one day.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 14:28 utc | 339

@ laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:09 utc | 330
Johnson's decline in ratings has nothing to do with foreign policy.The ordinary British voter does not think much about Ukraine, but Partygate

...from CNN Business. ..
The world's fifth-biggest economy ground to a halt in February and started shrinking in March. Retail sales fell in May for the second consecutive month. The British pound has plunged almost 8% against the US dollar this year, losing even more than the euro. The rise in food and fuel prices has created the worst cost-of-living crisis in decades, forcing lower-income households to choose between "heating and eating," which has become a rallying cry as campaigners demand more government support. . .here

. . .and from thenation in March. . .
Russia sanctions will hit UK economy and intensify crisis in cost of living, MPs warn
UK sanctions against Russia could have a “catastrophic and long-lasting” effect on the country, but they will come at a cost and the poorest households will be hit hardest, MPs have warned. A report by the treasury select committee said the UK was not protected against the economic impact of sanctions against Russian oil and gas, and that soaring prices will intensify the crisis in the cost of living for the whole country. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 14:29 utc | 340

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:09 utc | 330

"The ordinary British voter does not think much about Ukraine, but Partygate, Johnson and his cabal partying away under the cameras, while many people's relatives died unvisited in the time of lockdown has struck a deep chord with people in Britain, and will never be recovered from."

True, but if it wasn't also for the following it wouldn't matter so much, namely widespread criticism of the response which many call a 'plandemic' versus 'pandemic' indicating a lack of trust of the elites agenda on top of which a heavy-duty persuasion campaign viz the experimental gene-editing vaccines which now seem to be causing young athletes to keel over and young women to lose periods and pregnancies. Unfortunately the latter are relatively taboo topics in most national conversation venues (like BBC, Parliament etc.) and so simmer under the surface revealing themselves only in harsh responses to things like Party Gate.

Johnson had a shot at being a good Prime Minister ushering in a new era for UK once out from under the EU's desk. But covid came and its effects, it seems, will never go away until a new world order is imposed upon us.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 14:37 utc | 341

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 14:29 utc | 339

Yes, but the British voter doesn't notice that, even if it is true.

It's very likely that American sources are making a lot of the supposed collapse of Europe, for their own purposes. After all, MoA commenters do it even without having sources to quote (I've never quite understood why Americans commenting here nevertheless most often swallow whole the Empire's narrative).

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:38 utc | 342

World looked quite different 4 months ago, who knows what it will look like after 4 months?

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 13:54 utc | 324

Joe, you have no clue who Russians are. I , a Westerner, lived there ( 1 year) in the early 90's when the wheels came off. They are tough as they come, so talk about small $hit not being available is simply showing ignorance as to what is considered hardship in Russia. Besides, any nation that could withstand the siege of Leningrad is simply on a different hardship endurance scale.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 14 2022 14:40 utc | 343

Here's another from Odessa. https://youtu.be/ShVLoZZh_0E
Everyone speaks Russian...

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 14:41 utc | 344

Johnson had a shot at being a good Prime Minister ushering in a new era for UK once out from under the EU's desk.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 14:37 utc | 340

No he didn't. everybody of any sense knew he was a malevolent incompetent liar in advance, and so he's proved. But the average voter is easily taken in by the optimistic facade.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:42 utc | 345

Tom_12 @242
It wasn't me talking about small $hit. I do NOT doubt the pain threshold of russians.
Somehow your 1 year of living in russia doesn't impress me much.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:45 utc | 346

Do you think a war is going on?
Odessa 12.06.2022 https://youtu.be/51sqSOyOMCk

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 14:47 utc | 347

On the other hand :
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/13/more-than-15000-millionaires-expected-to-leave-russia-in-2022

LOL! Not everybody has an equally low pain threshold.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:49 utc | 348

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920

Doctorow's latest, a peace proposal:

Intro:
"urrent Western strategy in Ukraine is not conducive to peace because it does not deal with some essential aspects of the current conflict. It does not deal with the rights of Russian speakers in Ukraine, and it does not address the thirty-year failure to set up a pan-European security system that includes Russia. Both are issues of primary importance to Russia. The relationship between them may not be obvious to many in the West, but for Russia, they illustrate a mindset of promoting Western interests and values at the expense of Russia’s.

It is precisely because of this mindset that the West was caught flat-footed when Russia suddenly seized the initiative to assert its interests through military means. This has left the West in a quandary, with few palatable options. Its preferred means of coercion—economic sanctions—are bound to become less and less effective over time, just as they have been in other countries, which have always found workable substitutes to reduce dependence on the West. Russia’s importance in providing the world with essential commodities, such as oil, gas, grains, and fertilizer, gives it even more economic clout.

At the same time, the political isolation that the West has sought to impose, while it has a certain public relations appeal, further limits the West’s ability to get Russia to cooperate on other issues of vital importance, and forces Russia into new alliances that will invariably be anti-Western. Henry Kissinger has recently argued that institutionalizing such animosity would be historically unprecedented and should be avoided at all costs.

Meanwhile, despite the rhetoric from Kyiv, the war has not brought Ukraine any closer to a resolution of its own internal conflicts. The rise of Ukrainian patriotic fervor is quite real, yet it often reflects the same regional disparities that have divided Ukraine since its independence. No matter how the military conflict ends, therefore, old resentments are likely to resurface, with Russian-speakers once again being blamed for their supposedly divided loyalties. As the popular Ukrainian journalist Mikhail Dubinyanski recently put it, “it took but a moment for the front lines to stabilize, for the traditional internal hate to re-emerge.”

A lasting settlement must recognize that this conflict will not end with the withdrawal of Russian troops. A settlement must, therefore, address three vital aspects of the conflict simultaneously, or it will not last. First, the competition between Russia and the West over Ukraine, which is clearly not going to end after the fighting stops. Second, the conflict between Russian and Ukrainian elites over their respective national and cultural differences, which is only going to intensify after the war. Third, the conflict between Ukraine’s western and eastern halves, which current patriotic enthusiasm has temporarily masked."

OK, but then:
"Our proposal does not seek to end these conflicts, which are endemic, but rather to shift the competition from the military arena, with its concomitant dangers of escalation, to the arenas of economic well-being and soft power. In essence, this is the kind of competition that the West was engaged in with the Soviet Union during the heyday of détente after it decided that coexistence was preferable to mutually assured destruction.

In exchange for the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of its forces, Our proposal does not seek to end these conflicts, which are endemic, but rather to shift the competition from the military arena, with its concomitant dangers of escalation, to the arenas of economic well-being and soft power. In essence, this is the kind of competition that the West was engaged in with the Soviet Union during the heyday of détente after it decided that coexistence was preferable to mutually assured destruction.

In exchange for the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of its forces, Russia would be obliged to not annex the regions it currently occupies and agree to hold a status referendum there under international supervision, some ten to twenty years from now. Ukraine, for its part, would accept its temporary loss of control over Novorossiya (the regions of Donbass, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, and Nikolayev), with the proviso that their status will be ultimately determined by the referendum outcome. Ukraine, for its part, would accept its temporary loss of control over Novorossiya (the regions of Donbass, Lugansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson, and Nikolayev), with the proviso that their status will be ultimately determined by the referendum outcome."

"Russia would be obliged to not annex the regions it currently occupies and agree to hold a status referendum there under international supervision, some ten to twenty years from now..."

Sorry, Doctor, that sort of endless negotiation stuff is now off the table.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 14:52 utc | 349

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:49 utc | 347

incredible that you believe that sort of stuff, direct from MI5.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:54 utc | 350

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:54 utc | 349

I meant MI6, the people who run the Guardian.

Posted by: laguerre | Jun 14 2022 14:55 utc | 351

Somehow your 1 year of living in russia doesn't impress me much.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:45 utc | 345
I wasn't attempting to impress, which you obviously did not get.

But seeing your latest sourced information you are convinced the place is going to Hell. I'd recommend going to San Francisco and Philadelphia to see how that really looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOBoDT-3oM0

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 14 2022 15:03 utc | 352

@Scorpion | Jun 14 2022 14:52 utc | 348

"Sorry, Doctor, that sort of endless negotiation stuff is now off the table."

The position of the anxious West, hoping Russia will stop before it completely ruins their party.

The US providing over 1b a month to support the Ukrainian government and claiming it will support the Ukraine for "years to come". I don't believe that this is the Russian plan for the Ukraine.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 14 2022 15:05 utc | 353

Watching that last video on Odessa, one doubts the exact reason of all those refugees from the Ukraine. The real reason is to get to the "west" without a visa, and for economic problems, rather than running away from a war. The Ukraine has a lot of space to accommodate the alleged 7 million refugees, with its vast territory. The Ukraine was in dire economic problems many years before the SMO.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 15:09 utc | 354

@Tom_12 & laguerre

Naah, I know Guardians 'bias' and don't take them as gospel truth. That headline just jumped at me the moment were chatting about russians resilience. Thought it too good to pass up.

Interesting though, that neither of you commented about that fact bigger % of ukrainian millionaires is leaving their country, or that the destination is no longer US or UK, but UAE. You did read it?

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 15:16 utc | 355

1. Multiple references to APU confused me. Wikipedia was helpful, but ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apu_Nahasapeemapetilon
It seems that APU has the same meaning as BCY, B for V in "armed", C for S in "forces", Y for U in Ukraine. But what is P doing? Phorces?

2. On Twitter, many posters possess the skill of map reading, and thus reported that Khram Svyatoho was liberated, and retwitted. The name is rather strange, it is a bit like "Temple/Church of St." But Ukrainian maps do not use acronym for Saint, and the name is so long that it takes two lines, "Khram Svyatoho/Heorhiya", "Temple of St. Gregory". Liberating a location with such a long name proceeds one line at the time, but "Heorhiya" did not make the news.

Which reminds me that Apu was from India, I was there once and I stayed, if I recall, on Mahabalipuram Rd, i.e. in a hostel on a road leaving Chennai toward a temple with that name. Luckily, not in a war zone, imagine one of the warring sides getting hold of Mahabal, and the other resisting in Ipuram.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 14 2022 15:19 utc | 356

White House press secy laughs off question about Biden's health: 'Not a question we should be asking'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-laughs-question-biden-mental-physical-stamina

Posted by: ostro | Jun 14 2022 15:20 utc | 357

Somehow your 1 year of living in russia doesn't impress me much.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:45 utc | 347

Somehow your not knowing jack sh1t about Russia or Russians doesn't impress me much.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/13/more-than-15000-millionaires-expected-to-leave-russia-in-2022

LOL! Not everybody has an equally low pain threshold.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:49 utc | 349

Russia is losing her parasite class? I'm sure the average Russian is heartbroken by the news.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 15:33 utc | 358

Karl luck | Jun 14 2022 5:42 utc | 245
-----
Well said. The Sicilian Mafia pales compared to the brutality and reach of the world's largest financial cartel / organized crime syndicate --- ZUSA. Russia-China cannot end it soon enough, hence the impatience we all feel. Yet it is doing so methodically and thoroughly, via military-technical measures, including financial, political, and societal theaters far beyond the Ukraine battlefields. It's a not a "mere" world revolution; it's a total paradigm shift, an evolutionary leap in human consciousness. It will take time; I hope I live long enough to witness it.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 14 2022 15:33 utc | 359

Pain threshold relies on the peception of the purpose for which this pain is endured. For the Russian people, this is quite easy : NATO's expansion has been posing an existential threat to russia for the las 25 years. For the European Union, what should we be suffering for? Preserving "democracy" in a country where the leader of the main opposition party is jailed and where all media have been muzzled or closed if they don't toe the government's line? To stop a Russian invasion? Realy, I do not see why I shoud freeze or go hungry for the sake of greedy morons who gleefully destroy the foundations of our societies in the hope of adding a few percents to their alreadyinordinate wealth. If you didn't like the Gilets Jaunes, too bad for you! Come October, their new iteration will be back throughout the EU with a vengeance...

Posted by: capitaine Danrit | Jun 14 2022 14:16 utc | 335

You're doubtless correct about the Russian attitude. I'm skeptical, however, as to whether the average EU citizen knows a thing about Ukrainian corruption, political repression, or even its outright Nazism: European media, just like American media, do an excellent job of ensuring that unflattering news about the Ukraine is not reported. So I think the pain threshold of the average EU citizen will have to be measured in economic terms, not geopolitical ones.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 15:37 utc | 360

@ Et Tu | Jun 14 2022 10:52 utc | 280

@ moaobserver | Jun 14 2022 10:58 utc | 282

these 2 posters don't read the comments and ignore what is said in these threads.. ignore them completely... they are drive by shooters.. that is it..

Posted by: james | Jun 14 2022 15:45 utc | 361

On the other hand :
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/13/more-than-15000-millionaires-expected-to-leave-russia-in-2022

LOL! Not everybody has an equally low pain threshold.

Posted by: Joe6pack | Jun 14 2022 14:49 utc | 349

You meant to ‘equally high pain threshold’. Where do you think they are going to go? To China? Aren’t all Russians sanctioned?

Posted by: RB | Jun 14 2022 15:47 utc | 362

Bobolink, sln2002, CitizenFitz, VTobserver, and NemesisCalling are an affiliated group of accounts working as a team here to recruit for Neo-Nazi groups.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 5:20 utc | 244

LOL! are you mental?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 15:47 utc | 363

@ lex talionis | Jun 14 2022 14:13 utc | 334

Yup. There may not have been a country in world history that labored so devotedly under the delusions of the artist cult as Germany, and it's therefore no surprise that so many of the leading power-mad fanatics of the NSDAP started out as artists -- and failed in their artistic pursuits. Speaking of fanatics, "arising from the ranks of noncreative men of words," here they are, so nicely collected in one sentence by Eric Hoffer (in The True Believer): "Hitler tried painting and architecture; Goebbels, drama, the novel and poetry; Rosenberg, architecture and philosophy; von Schirach, poetry; Funk, music; Streicher, painting."

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 15:54 utc | 364

malenkov | Jun 14 2022 15:54 utc | 365

Idealism is pure evil, a sign of some people not having enough productive work to do.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Jun 14 2022 16:04 utc | 365

Idealism is pure evil, a sign of some people not having enough productive work to do.

Posted by: sippy the shot glass | Jun 14 2022 16:04 utc | 366


Actually, if you substituted "productive" with "satisfying," you'd be making Hoffer's argument! Some of these future Nazis were awfully productive as artists, but they obviously weren't satisfied as such, either because they failed to get the recognition they felt they deserved, or because they realized they weren't all that good (or both, of course).

(Not that I agree with everything Hoffer says. His work has blind spots such as one would expect of an autodidact, and one can detect traces of Cold Warrior in his work as well, but the book I cited is still, well, useful.)

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 14 2022 16:14 utc | 366

Russia sanctions will hit UK economy and intensify crisis in cost of living, MPs warn
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 14 2022 14:29 utc | 341

Empirical "evidence" for everyone who is not acquainted with the world's most grossly over-valued currency -or- the tories' epic BREXIT "divorce from the EU" civil, capital, and commercial PILLARS from 1973 to the 2016-2019 campaign to "take back control" -and- expected a different economic result ("all possible futures" ~ David Cameron") from subsequent Withdrawal of the UK from the so-called Single Market trust busting "special operations" on WTO bound and applied quota/tariff rates, let it be known:

Centuries of British PERVERSION--not 3-months of sanctions against RUSSIAN real-estate "moguls"-- foretold inevitable price discovery assigned to a "nation of merchants" bereft of real economic industry, possibly democratic integrity in the House of Commons.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 16:33 utc | 367

i'm quite idealistic... for me the satisfaction is in the process of creating something.. it is very rewarding... you can't put a price tag on that.. from my point of view it doesn't matter whether one gets recognition or not.. being involved in the creative process is the reward in itself... and creativity isn't constant... sometimes it seems non existent.. when it happens, it is like a bird lands on your shoulder and you can do amazing things... when it ain't happening - one must just plug along hoping for some inspiration to create something... i am not sure how this pertains to the nazis... that is over my head and above my paygrade..

Posted by: james | Jun 14 2022 16:34 utc | 368

Inkan1969
US or other white supremacists feel free to support whoever they want, nobody can’t prevent them from feeling what they feel.
Point is they are mislead, as well as many aniglobalists think they love Putin because he’s supposedly an anti-globalist, or many homophobes see Russia as the promise land only because postmodern gender theories have no space in public institutions.
Their problem. Russia is not a supremacist country, Putin is not a supremacist, nor it is the establishment. Fringes? Of course there are, as everywhere. Point is that in Russia they have no political influence. Differently from Ukraine, where they lead.
Russia is a multicultural country where there is respect for other cultures, religions, languages and nationalities. Differently from Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, and now all he West with the mounting russophobic hysteria.
The argument that some whites supremacists support Putin is spurious and fallacious, and only serve to de legitimate Russia and obfuscate that a suprematist project was being implemented in Ukraine with support of the West.

Posted by: Dioporks | Jun 14 2022 16:58 utc | 369

All the rooskies here celebrating victory in the new Great Patriotic SMO. Unfortunately, about zero movement on the fronts. Fighting over Several Donuts for a month now.

Stalin was able to position 7 million men against the Germans. The new self proclaimed Peter the Great cannot rustle up 300,000, and only his Muslims are up to urban fighting.

I wish the Russians had done better. Possibly they can still take Odessa. But not without new units, and Peter the Great seems to be unable to find any.


Posted by: Rangewolf | Jun 14 2022 17:47 utc | 370

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 14 2022 15:47 utc | 364

LOL! are you mental?

Not in the least, you National Front fuck.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 17:53 utc | 371

Posted by: Organic | Jun 14 2022 11:28 utc | 286

Should be one of the wealthiest countries if run honestly rather than a cabal of oligarchs robbing it blind. And now to be destroyed by a war it didn't need and should never have had. Amazing. There again how many countries with huge potential are ruined for their people through the corruption and greed of their "rulers" and "elites"?

Indeed, it should be. Unfortunately, Zelenskiy decided to cede his authority to "Neo-Liberals" who, in turn--as they always do--decided to open his country's privately-owned agricultural land to "the market", while also demanding that all farmers buy their seeds from Monsanto.

Among other things.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 17:56 utc | 372

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 14 2022 7:09 utc | 251

Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 5:12 utc | 243

Easy to see why the US and EU are upset if Russia makes a new "entity" for Ukraine. Nothing can be stolen from either of them in the future if they are the other side of the E/W fence.

Too true.

Donetsk shelling; (including with 777 artillery rounds and the French "we have righteously destroyed all our stockpiles of clusterfucker shells years ago", mysteriously showing up here)

Obvious trap to get the Russians to deploy artillery closer to the fortifications at the front line.
Re; There were no less than four spyplanes over Roumania near Odessa, (incl one Italian) watching "grain" ships being loaded yesterday morning. Probably a smuggling operation of arms going on.

I strongly suspect that Macron remains suffering under the illusion his NATO "advisers" (read: handlers) have constructed for him.

Cluster munitions are, when used "legally", used to attack artillery.

France may well have, unwittingly, intended them to be used that way. Although I am under no illusions about the brutality that France has violated its subjugated peoples, Macron has clearly been doing everything in his power--such as it is (he's mainly a Gigolo, no?)--to persuade others in NATO and the EU to return to reason.

Lebanon. The US is trying to get them to give up their claim to the oil fields contested with Israel. (Stena Icemax drilling ship and others are thereabouts.) Lebanon NEEDS the Oil - but maybe the US does too?

Doesn't matter. Hizb'Allah will not allow those resources to be stolen, and they have the missiles required to enforce that decision--end of story.

To watch out for - Mossad massacres in Iran.

Massacres which shall be responded to in proportion, according to Iranian Shariah.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Jun 14 2022 18:04 utc | 373

Old Joe Biden has bin a gittin there now. Articles in the WaPo and Grauniad - "I warned Zelensky not to provoke Russia, but he wouldn't listen"

Z is on the skids, about to go under the bus.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jun 14 2022 18:17 utc | 374

(by 'Z' I mean Zelensky, not 'Op z' in case anyone is unclear.)

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Jun 14 2022 18:19 utc | 375

...while also demanding that all farmers buy their seeds from Monsanto.
Pacifica Advocate | @ 373

No need to worry about Monsanto anymore...
It got eaten by a Bayer!

Posted by: LeMoyne | Jun 15 2022 1:51 utc | 376

To joe6 pack:,
Russia and Iran just signed a 20 year deal which includes components for manufacturing cars. Iran, in many ways have become self sufficient, and Russia will do the same.

China is the leader in the manufacture of medium micro-chips and both these countries have supplies ensured.

BMW, Mercedes and all the European cars can go and sell it to Africa. They are the ones that need components from Russia. Get it through your head.

China leads the world in electric vehicles and is selling all over the world, minus Europe and north America. I am not talking about Tesla, who will probably get kicked out, just like George Soros was. Keep dreaming or stop listening to the non-stop BS.

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 15 2022 3:19 utc | 377

Some of us remember how the neocon push to widen Bush the Lesser's war on Iraq into its neighbor was necessitated by the terrorists use of IED's whose origin was determined by the fact that they had "Made in Iran" printed in English on the inside.

Posted by: Bilejones | Jun 19 2022 21:03 utc | 378

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