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June 24, 2022
Ukraine SitRep – Zolote Cauldron Closes – Lysichansk Blocked (Corrected twice)

[Corrected (twice) below]

In the last situation report about the war in Ukraine I discussed the situation near Lysichansk.

The Ukrainian leadership is still sending new units into the Lysichansk cauldron in the east. The Russians do not mind that. Their job is to "demilitarize" Ukraine. To enclose more troops in one swoop makes that easier.


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The distance between the red Russian held area at the the top to the one at the bottom at the most narrow gap is a mere 15 kilometer or some 9 miles. There is only one open road running through it from west to east which is used for pushing resupplies to the Ukrainian troops in Lysichansk.

The map has since changed significantly:


Jun 16

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What developed was first a smaller cauldron around Zolote at the bottom of the map.

Jun 18

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This was a classic move done by the book.

Jun 20

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Then a battalion of Ukrainian troops that was supposed to hold the villages in the upper area of the pocket retreated. Some say they were ordered to leave, others claim they mutinited. The later is more likely as these were amateur infantry from the Territorial Defense Forces who, without sufficient support, had been send to replace better troops that were ordered back.

Jun 22

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The Russians on the eastern wing moved west to take 5 villages in one day along the pocket's northern border.

Jun 24

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That put the lid onto the cauldron which immediately began to cook the estimated 2,000 Ukrainian soldiers who were inside.

The above maps are quite rough. A more detailed one from the Russian side shows that several towns within the Zolote cauldron have not yet been cleared.

Jun 24

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In today's report the Russian Defense Ministry claims:

Successful offensive of Russian units towards Lugansk within 5 days has resulted in the liberation of Loskutovka, Podlesnoye, Mirnaya Dolina, Shchebkaryer, Vrubovka, Nyrkovo, Nikiolayevka, Novoivanovka, Ustinovka and Ray-Aleksandrovka.

Group of Ukrainian units has been completely isolated near Gorskoye and Zolotoye.

This pocket has encircled four battalions: 3rd Mechanised Battalion of 24th Mechanised Brigade, 15th Mountain Assault Battalion of 128th Mountain Assault Brigade, 42nd Mechanised Infantry Battalion of 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 70th Battalion of 101st Territorial Defence Brigade, as well as an artillery group of 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, a group of Nazis from Right Sector organisation and a detachment of foreign mercenaries.

In total, the Gorskoye pocket has isolated up to 2 thousand people: about 1,800 servicemen, 120 Nazis from Right Sector, up to 80 foreign mercenaries, as well as over 40 armoured combat vehicles and about 80 guns and mortars.

41 servicemen abandoned their resistance and surrendered voluntarily just over the past 24 hours.

According to the prisoners, the encircled Ukrainian units are exhausted. The units are currently manned by less than 40%. Higher Ukrainian command has lost control over these units. Armament, munitions, fuel and other logistic supply is completely stopped.

Russian troops are straitening the Gorskoye encirclement by launching uninterrupted attacks at the enemy. Half of Zolotoye had been taken under control over yesterday.

Since this morning some 600 have additionally surrendered. The others will likely follow later today or tomorrow.

Also this morning the Ukrainian deputy commander for Luhansk province announced that the soldiers and foreign mercenaries who held out in the industrial area of Sevierodonetzk east of Lysichansk were told to retreat to Lysichansk. In fact a full retreat from Lysichansk further west seemed to be likely.

But that was no longer really possible for the 10-15,000 soldiers in and around the city as a bridge on the single road that leads to the west has been dropped overnight onto the railway tracks below.

Correction (19:00 utc) This sections was wrong and has been corrected. A bridge was bombed to cut the escape route from Lysichansk but it was a different one than I first wrote. That does not change the conclusion

Bridge marked in red – This map is of a different bridge.

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This map is of the bridge that was actually destroyed. It is at the north-west of the Lysichansk refinery I discussed in the previous situation report.

Bridge marked in red

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A Russian helicopter performed that mission and it now seems that there was a bigger landing of airborne troops west of the refinery.

Here is how the bridge is now said to be looking. Correction (17:30 utc): The picture does not show the bridge on the map.

Correction (19:00 utc) The picture is of the destroyed bridge but it was geo-located wrongly. But that the bridge on the map is now damaged was reported by a source that is usually correct. I still assume that it is in fact so. Again the map was wrong, not the picture of the bridge.

Sorry for this 'fog of war' confusion. The tactical effects of the incident mentioned below stays the same. [end of both corrections]


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There are still side roads and dirt tracks that can be used but the whole area west of Luhansk is under Russian fire control. The long convoy that would be needed for a retreat can not pass without being severely molested.

The big Lysichansk cauldron has thereby also been closed. Despite the still necessary cleanup of the city and two or three small villages one can state that the former Ukrainian province Luhansk, now the Luhansk People's Republic, has been liberated from Ukraine. 

On the Russian side some 30-40 Battalion Tactical Groups (BTG) have been involved in the whole operation. Most of them can now resupply and rest to later be used elsewhere.

Comments

We talk of the war on the ground, the PR war and the economic war here is an illustrative example of the diplomatic war, guess what? Another flop.
https://popularresistance.org/only-4-of-55-african-leaders-attend-zelensky-call-showing-neutrality-on-ukraine-and-russia/

Posted by: Paul | Jun 25 2022 7:18 utc | 201

I note Zelensky’s Kvartal95 scriptwriter spouse is penning fantasy for Die Welt about Russian soldiers abducting Ukrainians virgins and behaving like ISIS.
I can only assume she is imbued with the mental limitations of her spouse and wishes to fire up the German readers of the Kohlberg-Kravis-Roberts Axel Springer Verlag. On the other hand she is simply writing a script to order – German comedy sketches lack bite.
It is hard to regard the nomenklatura in Ukraine with any regard when reading how they throw away human life for……….what ??? There is no benefit for ordinary Ukrainians whose incomes would be much higher as Russian Citizens than Ukrainian………..but Kolomoisky and Zelensky would of course be poorer
Kvartal95

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 7:40 utc | 202

“So who, exactly, do you suppose the comedian’s intended audience is at this point? EU or US citizenry? Can’t likely be Ukrainians at this point.”
You would be surprised. I have spoken to many people here that genuinely believe in Zelensky. “We will win with God’s help” said an electrician we had here doing some work last week. “Don’t believe the Russian propaganda” said another.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Jun 25 2022 8:04 utc | 203

@ 190 Scorpion – It is archived. Ghastly stuff you describe a bit too well. No wonder I have been avoiding the bar and the harsh reality.
Sail Hatan.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 25 2022 8:05 utc | 204

What to expect (or hope) in the coming months: (1) The Lysychnsk cauldren collapses in the same way the zolote cauldren collapsed – quickly and in chaos with 1000’s of prisoners (2) The chaos of the collapse means that the newly freed russian military overwhelm the remaining retreating forces in the centre and drive comprehensively (and quickly) to Dnipro which they surround quickly (3) At the same time, with newly freed forces Kharkov and Zaporizhzhia fall quickly in the chaos. At this point, the war is effectively over. If the Ukranian leadership still refuse to discuss peace then the prospect of a final push to Kiev and surrounding Odessa would be inevitable and unstoppable. At that point, all the professional soldiers will have gone, much of the hardware will have been destroyed or captured and only the few remaining cities would contain any functional defensive capability. When you only have 3-4 surrounded cities, you are in no position to negotiate.

Posted by: chris owen | Jun 25 2022 9:32 utc | 205

Interesting article on Snake Island by M. K. Bhadrakumar at Indian Punchline:
https://www.indianpunchline.com/southern-ukraine-is-the-priority-in-natos-planning/
It is not clear to me how Ukraine could expect to hold the island even if they did succeed in capturing it given lack of air defenses and aircraft. I do believe that sooner rather than later Russia will move on Odessa. How they plan to do this I have no clue, but I am sure they do have a plan. They will not pause from now until they finish the SMO I don’t think. Any momentum they can build up in the east they will capitalize on directly.
Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2022 1:33 utc | 164

Great find, that includes the, I think, immortal line: “Clearly, the NATO is preparing for a big fight for Odessa. The ongoing battle for Snake Island is symptomatic of that.”
I couldn’t agree more – I see the Moskva sinking as the most blatant, near-direct, RF-NATO engagement so far and part of an ongoing, escalating battle to determine whether UA will continue to be a strategic threat to RF/Transnistria or not.
Without Odessa as port and Transnistria / pipelines as hostage, rump Ukraine becomes an airless, almost irrelevant, dung heap. That’s the basis of NATO’s high-risk stand to retain a foothold in the south, one that would prevent RF from establishing a friendly land & sea corridor all the way to EU. NS2 shutdown was also, obviously, about trying to keep as much leverage as possible in UA (empire proxy) hands.
It looks like RF intends to defend a foothold on Snake Island without too great a risk to its fleet, while its land forces slowly prepare to encircle and wait out whatever NATO / UA forces are hiding is Odessa – Harpoon doesn’t work against RF BTGs and artillery / MLRS will eventually get spotted and blown to bits.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 25 2022 9:59 utc | 206

World leaders are facing crises on all fronts. Putin will be watching if they fail Now, CNN is playingthe same tune…😋
Only there wasn’t “Russian President Vladmir Putin’s officials are hinting at nuclear Armageddon…”

Posted by: ostro | Jun 25 2022 10:19 utc | 207

War Party holds conference discussing how best to partition Russia –
….The US Government’s Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (CSCE) holds a briefing on the “moral and strategic” necessity of partitioning Russia….
https://niccolo.substack.com/p/delusion
It’s tragic that the war party still clings to its 30 year old playbook that has only caused death and destruction of untold millions.

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2022 10:19 utc | 208

In response to Scorpion@190,
Pff, that’s nothing. Russian soldiers are using knives to rape infants in front of their mothers right at this very second, according to witness testimonies cited at the UN. Of course the collective West are shitting themselves and crashing their economies in an attempt to stop the Russian onslaught — who wouldn’t? Every respected foreign policy analyst knows that Ukraine is only the beginning and the real target is Europe, where Russia will really begin committing atrocities.
Don’t believe me? Just wait half a century after all this blows over and people start writing about today’s events based on transcripts of Ukrainian TV broadcasts. It’ll completely vindicate NATO starting WW3 and become a credible addition to the historical record.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 25 2022 10:28 utc | 209

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine as of 11.00 on June 25, 2022
The enemy continues to suffer significant losses. As a result of strikes by high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the buildings of the Megatex zinc plant in the village of Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic, up to 80 Polish mercenaries, 20 armored combat vehicles and eight Grad multiple rocket launchers were destroyed. More than 300 Ukrainian servicemen and foreign mercenaries, 35 units of heavy weapons were destroyed in the Nikolaev area during the day.
Refusals to perform assigned tasks continue in the units of the Ukrainian army and territorial defense. The personnel of the 64th battalion of the 103rd Territorial Defense Brigade, stationed in LVIV, refused to leave for the combat area in the Donbas due to the staffing of untrained reservists and the lack of heavy weapons.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue a special military operation in Ukraine.
Operational-tactical and army aviation, rocket troops and artillery hit manpower and military equipment in 284 districts, two ammunition depots and rocket and artillery weapons in the Volcheyarovka area of the Luhansk People’s Republic, as well as artillery and mortar units in 43 districts.
As part of the counter-battery struggle, high-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Donetsk direction were hit: eight artillery platoons of the Hurricane MLRS in the Kurakhovo, Ukrainsk, NOVOSELOVKA THE SECOND, VOZDVIZHENKA districts and two artillery platoons in the areas of UKRAINSK, YASNOBRODOVKA, which shelled the city of DONETSK and other settlements of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
More than 780 nationalists, eight tanks and other armored fighting vehicles, three Uragan MLRS combat vehicles, 10 field artillery guns and mortars, and 13 special vehicles were destroyed as a result of air strikes, rocket troops and artillery.
Russian air defense means destroyed 21 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of settlements: POPASNAYA, KAPITANOVO of the Luhansk People’s Republic, ANDREEVKA, BARVENKOVO, BOLSHYE PROKHODY, VELIKAYA KAMYSHEVAKHA, RECRUITMENT, DONETSK, DOLGENKOE, IZYUM, MALYE PROKHODY, MALAYA KAMYSHEVAKHA, OLKHOVATKA, CHERVONIY SHAKHTER of the Kharkiv region, PYATIKHATKA of the Dnipropetrovsk region, BOBROVY KUT, MALAYA SEIDEMINUKHA, MOLODEZHNOYE, Kherson region and in the area of ZMEINY Island.
A Tochka-U ballistic missile was also intercepted near the settlement of Molodezhnoye, Kherson region, and 16 multiple rocket launchers in the areas of the settlements of BRAZHKOVKA, Glinskoye, Dolgenkoye, Kharkiv region, Avdiivka, Donetsk People’s Republic and in the area of ZMEINY Island.
In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 213 aircraft, 132 helicopters, 1,355 unmanned aerial vehicles, 350 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,797 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 670 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 3012 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 3,848 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

Posted by: noname | Jun 25 2022 10:33 utc | 210

Paul Greenwood @202
Who are “they”? Nuland’s people?

Posted by: Gto | Jun 25 2022 10:44 utc | 211

@Bevin #46 Thanks Bevin.
One quibble…Quote from the article you linked. “As for Russia or China, they do not have a counter-project, a counter-vision to offer, something that can be both attractive to the peoples of East and West, South or North ”
The author has not been paying attention. Pepe Escobar may beg to differ.

Posted by: Tim | Jun 25 2022 10:44 utc | 212

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 4:12 utc | 190
Oh yes yes, I’m sure, never once have western- or religious-aligned scribblers written atrocities entirely fictional regarding the USSR. Or the PRC. Or the DPRK. Or the RSFY.
Or Libya. Or Syria.
Or even ancien regime Spain, for that matter.
I say, never once – every written iota on the matter of how unfathomably evil each and every one of those countries and their rulers were or are is a forensically settled truth, measured, weighed, photographed and microfilmed – black legend propaganda not only has never existed, it is an outright impossibility.
You don’t need to resort to grisly altarboy tales to oppose communism, you only need to say that […] and […] are irrenounceable.
Of course that leaves the door open for people who can’t ever enjoy […] or […] to realize that they couldn’t give a f**k even if they tried.
So better start making blood sausages out of the closest available vicar, the messier the better, that always makes a strong impression!
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
P.S.: This is undistinguishable from “Putin eats a live kitten for breakfast every day, starting by the tail, because that’s what he does.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 10:47 utc | 213

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2022 10:19 utc | 208
More likely USA will be partitioned. The destruction of Confederate symbols and denigration of folklore Dixie is a Revived Reconstruction Dictatorship to hit the successful Southern Sunbelt States which boomed on non-unionised labour.
Europe does not comprehend the significance to destroying statues of Robert E. Lee – but it is akin to what Kiev attempts with De-Russification in cultural terms.
Texas may well secede. It only joined the Union 1846 and spent 10 years as a Republic backed by British to keep US from expanding westwards and recognised by Belgium and Netherlands.
The glue holding the US into a Union is no longer sticking.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 10:51 utc | 214

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 25 2022 10:28 utc | 209
Very intelligent observation that can be expanded a bit. History helps understanding current events, and current events help understanding historical RECORDS which are different from what happened: no narrator is entirely reliable, and reliability of sources can be vastly different. And the attention to different source can be vastly different too.
One example of differential attention is the topic of Agent Orange in USA — this topic also got a lot of attention in Vietnam, but I do not know Vietnamese. It was a defoliant used to open forested areas to aerial attacks in Vietnam, and American veterans who operated in those areas complained about long term effect on their health, and the public dispute was mostly if Veteran Administration was addressing the issue adequately. But what about the effect of toxic defoliant on the people who LIVED there? English language sources are much sparser on that, you can find them but their presence in public discourse in USA was very small. But this is but one example, however important.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 25 2022 11:04 utc | 215

P.S.: This is undistinguishable from “Putin eats a live kitten for breakfast every day, starting by the tail, because that’s what he does.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 10:47 utc | 213
Ha ha ha Thanks for the humour and spot on reply..

Posted by: K | Jun 25 2022 11:05 utc | 216

Platero @177
The reason cramer frets about zelenski is coz they belong to the same tribe. Its so basic and bigoted, yet people keep falling for this crap

Posted by: Trwe | Jun 25 2022 11:08 utc | 217

Posted by: Platero | Jun 25 2022 2:25 utc | 177
Is there a possibility of a false flag assassination of zelenski?
[…]
What would be the point of it? Who knows?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2022 2:57 utc | 183
In the not too distant future, I suspect Zelensky’s main propaganda value will be in his death.
It goes beyond daily propaganda feed value.
I mentioned it a couple weeks ago.
Ukraine lacks proper heroes they could refer to. The most controversial ones they have are Khmelnytsky, Bandera and Shukhevych.
All were Pole-haters, though at some point Khmielnitsky was a hetman (military commander, would be perhaps an army general today) in Rzeczpospolita. Later he cooperated with Russia against Poland. Roman Shukhevych was involved in Wolhynia massacre, which is classified as either ethnic cleansing or genocide. Bandera was involved in killing of Poland minister in 1934. Bandera was imprisoned during Wolhynia massacre but nonetheless it was his organization, OUN-B that committed it and continued massacres past the end of WWII.
So the current set of Ukrainian heroes is completely unsavory for Poles. Ukraine urgently needs a new hero to keep cooperating with Poland and still be able to rally around someone. And here comes Zelensky, an actor until the end and beyond.
If I was to bet on it. I’d rather bet on faked death than on a real one. Like some routine surgery gone wrong.

Posted by: pppp | Jun 25 2022 11:35 utc | 218

The Ukrainian Armed Forces “managed retrograde” from Severodonetsk: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3073420/senior-defense-officials-hold-a-background-briefing-june-24-2022/

Posted by: pdidds | Jun 25 2022 11:37 utc | 219

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 25 2022 11:04 utc | 215
Not quite sure I follow your argument………
Dow
Vietnam
I thought there was lots of data on the effects of Dioxin (Agent Orange) in Vietnam – after all Dioxin has had so many lawsuits

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 11:43 utc | 220

@208 Exile
Thanks for the link! Great article, hadn’t run across Nicolo before.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 25 2022 11:44 utc | 221

I’ve seen the threat of Germany nationalizing Gazprom’s locally installed infrastructure twice now.
https://www.teletrader.com/germany-plans-to-nationalize-parts-of-nord-stream-2-report/news/details/58118459?ts=1656156799033
The earlier mention suggested that the infrastructure be repurposed for receiving and processing LNG from marine vessels.
You would think that Globalists would like to take a light touch with respect to FDI, but no ==> https://www.linklaters.com/en/insights/blogs/foreigninvestmentlinks/2022/april/the-curious-case-of-gazprom-germania-how-the-ministry-intervened-in-the-transfer-of-critical

Posted by: too scents | Jun 25 2022 11:45 utc | 222

“Pff, that’s nothing. Russian soldiers are using knives to rape infants in front of their mothers right at this very second, according to witness testimonies cited at the UN.”
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 25 2022 10:28 utc | 209
What???
You must be a paid Kremlin agent to whitewash Putin’s orcs like this.
Not only are they using knives to rape infants in front of their mothers right now, and have been doing so for 8 years in eastern ukraine since Putin invaded. They have only been prevented from doing this for barely 30 years because this is just the same thing that happened every day in soviet occupied Ukraine, it’s just that Putin doesn’t dare to say in public that he’s actually a communist, or everybody would have seen this coming much earlier.
And the method is much worse.
They carry a special knife to do this, which they never clean, because command inspect these knives when they retreat and if the knife is not entirely red like their Satanic communist flag; Putin’s junta reduces their allowance, if they fail to do this a few times they are degraded.
They place a bowl under the child they’re knife-raping, and give the mother an ukrainian flag for a towel, if the mother lets a drop of blood reach the floor, orcs will split the baby in half right away.
In this manner they collect blood from several households and use it to write patriotic ukrainian slogans on the walls to discredit our great nation and our glorious hero Bandera, the flag is then shown as “proof” of heroism because it’s got the blood of ukrainian warriors… right…
It’s appalling to see that there are still a few countries out there that won’t support the sanctions against Putin and are too afraid to come and fight for the freedom in Ukraine, if you don’t fight for our freedom now, you won’t have the freedom to fight when the orcs come to knife-rape your babies.

Posted by: Ukronthonios | Jun 25 2022 11:59 utc | 223

@197 melaleuca
I don’t know which I despise more. The Evil that conjured this. Or the Stupidity that so willingly subscribed.
yes 🙁 Some people can be such sh#ts…
It’s depressing / outrage-inducing on so many levels.
No words for the contempt and disgust that goes to the crowd in DC or Brussels (ie NATO), whose half baked schemes and greed for hegemony resulted in this.

Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 12:22 utc | 224

… If I was to bet on it. I’d rather bet on faked (Zelenski) death than on a real one. Like some routine surgery gone wrong.
Posted by: pppp | Jun 25 2022 11:35 utc | 218

And Iryna Vereshchuk as his replacement? Good for at least another six months of Western media / political inebriation, a fresh coat WEF’esq faux progressive clown-paint over Ukrainian terror-fascism.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 25 2022 12:26 utc | 225

TPaine @ 112
Very true, rotating turbines out every three years is fairly standard. It takes about a month to remove the old turbine and drop the new one in working long shifts. With three turbines, that is one down a month every year. Reciprocating compressors are generally rebuilt on site. Of course, you have to have access to the parts. This is a turbine design
Russia sending those compressors out of the country for rebuild tells me they do not have the parts and trained personnel on hand to handle the rebuild of those compressors. Siemens probably does not have enough business there for an in country arrangement. It certainly is a fine piece of machinery that only the Germans can build.
too scents @ 222
The EU divesting from Russia sounds like war planning. Taking the pain now to prepare their economies for a ground war later. Of course, they have a very long time before they can fully militarize. Maybe in ten years they can fully economically decouple from Russia and turn their economies towards war footing if they do not economically collapse first.
Not saying it is a good plan but with insane lunatics desperate for resource control at the helm anything is possible. They have been slowly encircling Russia for decades. Ukraine is coming up empty so Germany and Poland would have to take lead in the next phase of war against Russia turning from a new cold war to a new large hot conflict in Europe. Some of the NATO states will hold together and I suspect others will back away.
I suspect Russia will hit first if they see that coming. With the Ukraine taken off they board they have a great deal of breathing space. They will probably have to continue hitting targets long after the SMO is over.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 25 2022 12:29 utc | 226

@214 re: US schisms, texas etc
Doubt it. The national political system happens to be constructed to generate a very stable 2-party equilibrium. And as long as there is somewhere on this earth from which wealth can be extracted, by force to emplace absurdly favorable trade arrangements, even if it’s no longer from East Asia or Central Asia, then the game goes on. As an energy state (gas,oil,solar,wind, and most of the refineries and many export facilities), Texas already is set to dominate the Union. Why leave? They’ll be feasting just on the carcass of EU for years.

Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 12:33 utc | 227

Ukrainian forces that have no proper training refuse to fight in the Donbas.
“Personnel of the 64th Battalion of the 103rd Territorial Defense Brigade, stationed in Lviv, refused to leave for the combat area in Donbass because of the staffing of untrained reservists and the lack of heavy weapons,”
https://ria.ru/20220625/batalon-1798065450.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2022 12:37 utc | 228

The US and Nato’s proxy war on Russia has set the reduction of nuclear proliferation back years of not decades.
“Russia will not join the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons (TPNW), Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Friday.
She made this comment following the completion of the first conference of states-participants of the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons.
According to her, assertive advancement of the treaty deepens disunity between states and undermines the regime of Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.”
https://tass.com/politics/1471265

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2022 12:40 utc | 229

This dovetails nicely into my (229) comment.
“The US Defense Department has awarded top British weapons maker BAE Systems a contract worth $12 billion “to support” nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile systems (ICBM).
The work related to the huge contract is expected to be completed by the end of 2040 and will mostly be carried out at the Hill Air Force Base in the western state of Utah, the Pentagon announced on Friday without elaborating.
According to the report, BAE was one of five military contractors bidding for the long-range missile contract.
The report comes nearly three months after the Biden administration’s proposed budget for fiscal 2023 – released on March 28 – called for massive investments in nuclear weapons, including the so-called Ground Based Strategic Deterrent (GBSD) — an intercontinental ballistic missile system.”
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/06/25/684495/US-military-grants-UK%E2%80%99s-BAE-Systems–12bn-ICBM-contract

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2022 12:43 utc | 230

No words for the contempt and disgust that goes to the crowd in DC or Brussels (ie NATO), whose half baked schemes and greed for hegemony resulted in this.
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 12:22 utc | 224
No words?
I can think of at least two:
“Needs Calibration”

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 12:45 utc | 231

“Europe does not comprehend the significance to destroying statues of Robert E. Lee – but it is akin to what Kiev attempts with De-Russification in cultural terms.”
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 10:51 utc | 214
Excellent dot-connecting!
Of course “it could NEVER happen to us!” – until it does

Posted by: ianMoone | Jun 25 2022 12:46 utc | 232

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov suggests what many of us already think, that they’ll be no peace talks between Russia and Ukraine because the US and the UK are controlling the agenda, and peace talks are not on it.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/06/24/684462/Kremlin–UK,-US-hinder-Ukraine-from-peace-talks

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 25 2022 12:48 utc | 233

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 25 2022 10:28 utc | 209
“Don’t believe me? Just wait half a century after all this blows over and people start writing about today’s events based on transcripts of Ukrainian TV broadcasts. It’ll completely vindicate NATO starting WW3 and become a credible addition to the historical record.”
Good point. It’s why I always feel that I don’t really know what happened in the past. There are always so many authoritative and conflicting versions. Just like with the present. Presumably millions in Ukraine right now believe they are on the verge of victory as they march to the nearest Cauldron. And they might be right though I doubt it.
As to the past: I do tend to give more credence to narratives delivered often at great cost or risk and which usually go against the politically correct version. They do not constitute proof of course but they are worthy of serious consideration. Those old accounts from post revolutionary Russia are rarely retold. Once freedom of speech is no more in the West (not long now it sometimes seems) they will be buried forever along with the millions of victims of that terrible convulsion funded, like this one, by rich Banksters in Western cities far from the death and destruction and enabled by willing minions who like to take names and make their little archives to curry favor with the Authorities to feel powerful. Which ultimately is what it’s all about for some…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 13:01 utc | 234

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 213 aircraft, 132 helicopters, 1,355 unmanned aerial vehicles, 350 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,797 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 670 multiple rocket launcher combat vehicles, 3012 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 3,848 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
Posted by: noname | Jun 25 2022 10:33 utc | 210
It seems the numbers of killed and captured are rapidly rising in the daily clobber lists.
They should keep a running tally of KIA, wounded and captured IMO. But for some reason they decided against it.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 13:05 utc | 235

It is hard to work out Scorpion whether you are a conscious propagandist for fascism or simply wallowing in the sort of ignorance necessary to swallow the nonsense that you purport to believe in. One thing does stand out: you don’t read what conventional or communist historians have to say on the Russian Revolution and Civil War because they don’t tell you what the Nazi historians reveal to be the truth.
How do you know that the Nazi atrocity porn is true while the great balance of accounts in English are untrue.
Yesterday someone mentioned EH Carr and his work on International relations. May I recommend two more of his books. His Three Volume History of the Russian revolution and What is History.
In the meantime you should recognise that most of what you are posting on the subject of communism and the origins of fascism is false, discredited Nazi propaganda.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 25 2022 13:23 utc | 236

Removing statues of Confederate military men often erected decades later by white racists bears little resemblance to Ukraine banning all things Russian. At best, depending on definitions and framing, you can say it’s on the same slope. But, it’s not a slippery slope. If that’s what’s being suggested, i reject the suggestion.
Generally, please remove statues of warriors and replace them with philosophers, playwrights, journalists (Assange), and other thinkers. Promote more thinking, less violence.

Posted by: dfg | Jun 25 2022 13:25 utc | 237

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 10:51 utc | 214
“Texas may well secede…
The glue holding the US into a Union is no longer sticking.”
Unlikely but probably the most effective and least bloody way forward out of the coming debacle.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 13:28 utc | 238

Posted by: dfg | Jun 25 2022 13:25 utc | 237
Thank you. The stated comparison is not valid in any arguable sense.
That said, the dissolution of the US Fed govt is all but assured if due only to inability to finance its debt. The entire world including a good many Americans will breathe sigh of relief when it does, but I’d expect a good bit of movement to follow.
Also, collapse of Fed govt probably will not be the end of the federal reserve note or its issuer, continue to function under much differentvdynamics

Posted by: Miller | Jun 25 2022 13:47 utc | 239

@237 dfg
Alas, this is the US. There is no history for 90% of the population. Though members of many various subgroups know well, from bitter experience, to be suspicious of the person reading the evening news.
For example, we still have Andrew Jackson – champion of ethnic cleansing the native population – proudly decorating the $20 bill.
If this miserable Ukraine business teaches anything to anyone, it’s that ugly history should be learned honestly, not sanitized, not rewritten.

Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 13:51 utc | 240

“Once freedom of speech is no more in the West (not long now it sometimes seems) they will be buried forever along with the millions of victims of that terrible convulsion funded, like this one, by rich Banksters in Western cities”
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 13:01 utc | 234
What a reactionary fantasy.
1) Anti-soviet narrative in general isn’t “buried”, by any means, in fact it continues to be produced, published and even regularly aired on TV. Nevermind that the USSR has been dead for 30 years, talk about beating a dead horse. As far as extinct polities go, the same is done in a smaller scale regarding the DDR or the 2nd Spanish Republic. Regarding extant polities, one only needs to verify even more dead-horse-flogging regarding June 1989 student protests in the PRC (despite it having been amply debunked and even official walkbacks printed); or the Xinjiang bullshit cut from whole cotton cloth.
2) Anti-soviet narratives that have been buried by the western continuum of public opinion, have been so buried because not even the anti-communist black legend propagandists – of which the west is chock-full – could convince themselves of their usefulness to train the general public, given the ridiculous outlandishness of such fictions.
3) Does erosion of freedom of speech in places such as UKRAINE or LITHUANIA cut in favor of or against pro-sovietism? Does this same erosion of freedom of speech cut in favor of or against nazis and their assorted collaborators? Given that these countries are at the forefront of the current “””liberal””” ideological offensive against Eurasia, do you have any reasons to fear that they’ll do a 180º and spontaneously start suppressing anti-soviet narratives, absent complete chomping down by the RF (which isn’t soviet but as a whole doesn’t take too kindly to exaggerated anti-sovietism, much less when it bears the stench of nazi sympathies)
4) For the Nth time, explain why the fuck would bourgeois financial gamblers ever sustain a political faction that explicitly seeked to eradicate them and their activities, except by gross, egregious mistake. And why after that, they were entirely on board with smashing even the tiniest whiff of socialism across the globe.
Put yourself in their shoes:
You’re a filthy rich american who makes a killing out of buying and selling fractional private enterprise ownership, and various bets and gambles regarding their future production and solvency.
You would finance a rabidly anti-business, militant revolutionary faction, because you project that it would benefit you in which way exactly…?
For bonus points, attempt to explain it without recourse to a “judeo-bolshevik conspiracy”.
You literally cannot explain it – you can only repeat it.
Why? Because it doesn’t make sense on its own, and it makes even less sense in connection with further historical developments, and the only shred by which it could cling to sense (which is never mentioned) points in a direction exactly opposite to where you want to go with that narrative.
So that’s the only possibility left – repeat and repeat and repeat it uncritically, in the hopes that with enough frequency, sometimes it’ll slip by unchallenged and reach somebody that will accept it as uncritically as you did.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 13:53 utc | 241

Earlier this month, the U.S. pledged $1 billion in support through both presidential drawdown authority and the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative. Included in that support package were, among other things, two Harpoon coastal defense systems.

Included in the package announced Thursday are two 35-foot, small-unit riverine craft; six 40-foot maritime combat craft; and ten 34-foot, Dauntless Sea Ark patrol boats.
“These are largely to protect the riverways and to enable Ukraine to maintain its control of the riverways. They can also be used in … close-in coastal areas,” said a senior defense official during a briefing today at the Pentagon.
To contribute to coastal defense, the official said, the United States, along with partner and allied nations, have provided the Harpoon system. Earlier this month, the U.S. committed to the donation of two Harpoon launch systems, which the Ukrainians have asked to have mounted on trucks. Other nations have also agreed to provide the Harpoon missiles themselves to be used in those launchers.
“This will be helpful in enabling the Ukrainians to defend … Odessa and other positions along the Black Sea coast,” the official said.
In addition to the coastal and riverine patrol boats, the latest presidential drawdown authority security assistance package to Ukraine includes four High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS; 36,000 rounds of 105 mm ammunition; 18 tactical vehicles with which to move 155 mm artillery; 1,200 Mk 19 grenade launchers; and 2,000 machine guns.
“Obviously with each of these packages, we [also] provide a lot of spare parts,” the official said. “We want to make sure they can keep the systems up and running.” . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 13:59 utc | 242

Removing statues of Confederate military men often erected decades later by white racists
That is complete and utter garbage ! Robert E. Lee was a Union General who led the Confederate Armies. His mansion is today Arlington National Cemetery. The actions of Lincoln had little to do with slavery and everything to do with Tariffs.
The Confederacy wanted Free Trade and the North wanted Tariif Protection for Manufacturers.
I have lived in the South of the USA – I know a Confederate flag in a truck has so little to do with “racism” – it is a cultural icon for The South which was run by US Military Governors after 1865 and excluded from Congress when 14th Amendment was passed…….
You should stop being such a CNN/PBS type “dog” and learn some cultural awareness

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 14:02 utc | 243

For example, we still have Andrew Jackson – champion of ethnic cleansing the native population – proudly decorating the $20 bill. [snip]
Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 13:51 utc | 240

Yeah, it’s intriguing to note that supposedly the redesigns have been ready to go for years, but that the Dims are just as reluctant to make the actual changes as the Thugs were. Back when he was Treasury Sec, Munchkin said that it was so damn difficult to put Braille dots on the bills that we shouldn’t expect actual production with the new designs until 2028. Except for some vague promises from Psaki, the has been no appreciable forward motion since then.
Could be the usual bureaucratic incompetence; could be that they plan to eliminate tangible currency by then anyway, so why bother with new banknotes?

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2022 14:02 utc | 244

Arganthonios @ 97
if you think a couple of thousand Neonazis make a country fascist, you must be quite deluded.
The vodkalkies in Moscow really struggle to understand that the brutal invasion has nothing to do with “protecting minorities” but with their inferiority complex-induced fear of NATO.

Posted by: moa78 | Jun 25 2022 14:09 utc | 245

malenkov @ 95
> Myself, I believe that self-determination and popular will trump state territorial integrity.
Good joke. Like in Grozny, right..

Posted by: moa78 | Jun 25 2022 14:10 utc | 246

Generally, please remove statues of warriors and replace them with philosophers, playwrights, journalists (Assange), and other thinkers. Promote more thinking, less violence.
“dfg” you clearly are oblivious to the reality of the world. There are lots of statues of William Shakespeare and Moliere and lots of statues to Pushkin (even if Ukraine removes them) and Lermontov. – as for Assange – he as as much chance of a statue as “John Wilkes” (google him and learn) or Farzal Bazoft (google him !)
Soldiers and Statesmen deserve statues – they made the nation. Suvorov or Zhukhov or Rossokovsky or Jan Sobieski or Wellington or Clive or Nelson or Napoleon or Charles Martel or Stein or Hardenberg or Washington or John Paul Jones.
There is a statue to Simon Bolivar in Frankfurt.
Statues are for direction pointers in History sop people look up who theses people were, what they did, mistakes they made, how they lived as humans.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 14:11 utc | 247

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2022 14:02 utc | 244
When the US Mint put Susan B Anthony on a coin I asked a female bank teller “who was she ?”
“No idea” was the response.
I still have no idea why Susan B Anthony should be relevant to coinage.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 14:12 utc | 248

@noname #210
One thing that doesn’t seem to have been talked about much: how successful the Russians have been in intercepting MLRS munitions.
While the Iron Dome supposedly can intercept Scuds, the Tochka and other MLRS missiles are fired from much closer.
It would be interesting to see an expert analysis of Russian anti-missile capabilities as proven out in Ukraine.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 25 2022 14:13 utc | 249

@215
Excellent documentary on effect of agent orange which saw on World Channel. Been unable to find on web of course. Censored? Chemicals cause cancer and birth defects. Still used today by lumber industry and in your neighborhood (Roundup et al). Anything used to kill weeds could have adverse effect on living creatures.
https://www.kcet.org/shows/independent-lens/episodes/people-vs-agent-orange-lj8gig
PFAs/PCBs at US military bases:
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-18-700t.pdf

Posted by: Joe | Jun 25 2022 14:15 utc | 250

Not quite sure I follow your argument………
Dow
Vietnam
I thought there was lots of data on the effects of Dioxin (Agent Orange) in Vietnam – after all Dioxin has had so many lawsuits
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 11:43 utc | 220
What I meant is that genocidal aspect for people living in the area was discussed in USA rarely, birth defects, cancers etc. among Vietnamese villagers generously sprinkled while defending their “freedom”.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 25 2022 14:15 utc | 251

CC:
Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Anna Malyar said that due to premature publications about the withdrawal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Severodonetsk, the operation was disrupted.
According to an official of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, “these publications made in social networks simply did not allow the troops to finish what was planned in Severodonetsk.”
The “planned departure” of the ukrovermacht for individual supporters of the independence turned into a run through a minefield.
The current situation is the result when politicians start using the army for the sake of PR and achieving private political goals.
In the case of Severodonetsk and Lisichansk, everything is simple. By holding them, the APU had to demonstrate the stability of its defense and the effectiveness of the supply of Western weapons.
Zaluzhny perfectly understands the need for maneuverable defense, despite the importance of these key cities, the loss of which calls into question the existence of the entire AFU grouping in this direction.
But Zelensky is also aware that having given all the initiative to the military, he will not be able to make a beautiful picture on TV, and the planned departure for “saving the lives of servicemen” will turn into a skipping run all the way to Kiev. And there they can also come to the Bank, ask questions.

Posted by: noname | Jun 25 2022 14:17 utc | 252

Whatever Andrew Jackson’s other misdeeds may have been, I still admire him, because of his opposition to the Bank of the United States and to the moneyed elite.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 25 2022 14:21 utc | 253

With Roe v Wade overturned, Ukraine will be back page news in the states weeks. When it gets back to front page, people will say “what?”

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jun 25 2022 14:26 utc | 254

Don Bacon @ 180
> Um. . .to make Russia look bad?
You really think more is needed to make Russia bad?
An authoritarian mafia state with no press freedom and that keeps getting caught meddling in neighboring countries needs something else to look bad?

Posted by: moab78 | Jun 25 2022 14:26 utc | 255

Rather than taking Jackson off the 20 dollar bill, I wish they would take Hamilton off the 10 dollar bill.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 25 2022 14:27 utc | 256

I still have no idea why Susan B Anthony should be relevant to coinage.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 14:12 utc | 248

When you come to think of it, the only figures that are arguably “relevant to coinage” are national symbols . . . such as predator birds. The only relevant people would seem to be bankers.
To me there’s some virtue in Euro banknotes, which don’t depict anything (more precisely, they depict architectural styles as represented by buildings that never existed). My favorites were postwar Austrian banknotes, which for political reasons scrupulously avoided depicting politicians of any kind: instead you got Mozart, Sigmund Freud, Otto Wagner, Berthe von Suttner, etc. And the last couple of series were, from an aesthetic point of view, simply gorgeous.

Whatever Andrew Jackson’s other misdeeds may have been, I still admire him, because of his opposition to the Bank of the United States and to the moneyed elite.
Posted by: Lysias | Jun 25 2022 14:21 utc | 253

How deliciously ironic that he should be portrayed on the currency units of an organization he would’ve implacably opposed. The joke’s on him, I guess!

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 25 2022 14:33 utc | 257

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jun 25 2022 1:26 utc | 163
Someone snapped a photo when they were leaving to their new location further West.
https://i.redd.it/7xj3s4sw0m791.jpg
Posted by: DougK | Jun 25 2022 1:51 utc | 169
Love that song. We danced our asses off at the clubs around my university when it first came out. But visually adding in the Russian Military is brilliant.
Some other versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4WXaciFlSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKKZyHvNIvk
Then there is “Nikita”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zirHrf5zHFE

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 25 2022 14:35 utc | 258

@moa78
Oh, what is this, the nazists keep calling for reinforcements?
Or maybe somebody is “evading sanctions”? Sending the coffee-bringer instead, perhaps?
if you think a couple of thousand Neonazis make a country fascist, you must be quite deluded.
A couple of thousand left to their own devices most likely won’t.
A couple of thousand carefully curated, financed and armed by foreign powers; and allowed to act in the most abject of impunities, carry out every revisionist whim, and allowed to indoctrinate children; most likely will.
I live in a post-fascist country, I don’t need it explained.
That in the case your figure is anything better than an asspull, I doubt there’s a scientific census of nazis in Ukraine before February 2022.
“Good joke. Like in Grozny, right..”
I’m sure you’d have preferred an outright salafist hellhole right between RF and Georgia, which could’ve been linked up with ISIS and other “””moderate rebel””” outfits.
“Unfortunately”, Ichkeria is no longer on the menu.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 14:36 utc | 259

The Saker has an excellent (not-so) quick update on Russia’s SMO:
https://thesaker.is/a-quick-update-from-andrei-with-a-few-notes/

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 25 2022 14:40 utc | 260

>> Statues are for direction pointers in History sop people
>> look up who theses people were, what they did, mistakes they
>> made, how they lived as humans.
Yes. It’s an editing decision. I don’t have to live by the editing choices of a bunch of dead assholes.
Also, I don’t appreciate your unnecessarily insulting comment. Not sure what got a hold of you. You generally add to the bar.

Posted by: dfg | Jun 25 2022 14:41 utc | 261

You’re a filthy rich american who makes a killing out of buying and selling fractional private enterprise ownership, and various bets and gambles regarding their future production and solvency.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 13:53 utc | 241

The “investment” world has changed, the biggest portion of stock holdings are now in Pension Funds and Retirement Accounts. Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is one of the biggest single holders of global equities.
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-actually-owns-the-stock-market-2016-5
Privatizing gains and socializing losses has been the norm for a while now. The hybrid socialist/capitalist model guarantees profits via regulation in a lot of strategically important sectors.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 25 2022 14:48 utc | 262

video with the happiest UA soldiers I think I’ve seen yet – escaped Lisichansk
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/55065

Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 14:54 utc | 263

“Removing statues of Confederate military men often erected decades later by white racists
That is complete and utter garbage ! Robert E. Lee was a Union General who led the Confederate Armies. His mansion is today Arlington National Cemetery. The actions of Lincoln had little to do with slavery and everything to do with Tariffs.
The Confederacy wanted Free Trade and the North wanted Tariif Protection for Manufacturers.”
No, Paul Greenwood. Your defense of Confederate Statutes and the Civil War is complete garbage.
You can easily look up when every statute was erected and who supported putting them up. The great majority were put up in the 1900s, decades after the Civil War.
As for why Southern States rebelled, it was over slavery. While apologists for the South like to put a better spin on it because, well, slavery isn’t such a great reason to start rebellion today, the historical record is clear. Just Google the various Confederate States’ declarations of independence. They tell us why they left the Union. And it was because of slavery.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jun 25 2022 14:58 utc | 264

In response to Scorpion@234,
What is and isn’t politically correct or what constitutes the preferred narrative or the correct interpretation of events; these things change in tune with political expedience or, if you like, necessity.
During the revolution, whites and reds told horror stories about each other that amounted to total condemnation and dehumanization. Post revolution, condemnation focused on specific figures, leaders and drivers of the white movement, while followers were relegated the role of misguided cattle. Why? Because the existential crisis had moved to a different phase where unity and human resources took priority. A decade or two ago, a process of total rehabilitation of the white movement began in earnest. Why? Because it had the backing and approval of Western powers, with whom Russia tried to integrate. That process of rehabilitation and historical reinterpretation has been slowing since 2008 and is in the process of being rolled back due to the current breakdown in relations. Who knows where we’ll be in 10, 20 or 50 years?
Meanwhile, roughly a 100 years worth of competing and contradictory narratives have been used throughout the entirety of that period by every political player under the sun in pursuit of one goal or another, provided by expats with axes to grind, bitter failures of foreign politicos, domestic political rivals and so on and so forth — all suspect. The only narratives which, hopefully, would be rejected by the mainstream consensus throughout the entire period, would be ones celebrating cruelty for its own sake, real or imaginary, and ones that explain events through the prism of fantastic forces at work, such as ancient aliens and forest spirits — and even then, I wouldn’t exclude the possibility of such interpretations having the upper hand at some point.
Stalin was treated in much the same way. The cult-like following that resulted from his reign made it impossible for the comparatively weaker Soviet leadership to get out from under his shadow, so the information space was saturated with every smear against him, real or imaginary, that could be published without harming the self-image of the population and the ruling elite. Rehabilitation of Nazi collaborators began. With glasnost and perestroyka, the self-image of the population was no longer a concern and the process entered second gear.
With the end of the USSR and advent of the 90’s, Yeltsin condemned the USSR in its totality in front of US congress and spent his days rubber-stamping historical grievances presented by former Soviet member states while preserving favorable conditions for crucial loans and food aid. Meanwhile, lived experience of the majority of Russians is a photo-negative of the narrative that was created around them, leading to an intuitive rejection of accepted dogma regarding these topics. Today, the history of Stalin & USSR is gradually being re-examined, but it’s like sorting gems from imitations.
Looking at Ukraine and the Ukrainian information sphere, you have competing, irreconcilable narratives and interpretations for every major or minor event. Often they are used to reinforce one-another, despite being in contradiction. Ask the average Ukrainian about what was going on in Donbas from 2014 on, you get 10 versions all at once, and they know it all for a fact from personal experience and acquaintances on the ground.
I’ve been closely following the situation in Eastern Ukraine from the 90’s onward, so I have my own comprehensive view of the situation, but I can’t even begin to imagine how I would interpret events there if I had to rely on second-hand accounts of Ukrainians, some who claim to have seen everything with their own two eyes. It doesn’t even compare to a photo-negative, it’s like some parallel reality. And these are all very recent events — one might still be able to find uncut feeds directly from the ground that document key developments.
If even 10% of the dissonance found herein can be implied for the way historical events from decades and centuries ago were preserved and recorded, approximately reliable accounts of events can only be arrived at through deduction, from analyzing objective factors, and everything else is suspect.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 25 2022 15:10 utc | 265

re: Lithuania / Kaliningrad
https://nitter.net/RWApodcast/status/1540706861086920704
EU bureaucracy stalling for time, it seems to me. Shades of Germany equivocating on NS2 . . .

Posted by: ptb | Jun 25 2022 15:15 utc | 266

So that’s the only possibility left – repeat and repeat and repeat it uncritically, in the hopes that with enough frequency, sometimes it’ll slip by unchallenged and reach somebody that will accept it as uncritically as you did.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 13:53 utc | 241
“You say potato, I say potaato, potato, potaato, tomato, tomaato, let’s call the whole thing off!”
Enjoy your life, Arganthonius (perhaps with a little less emphasis on the first syllable)!
PS. One reason given for the 1917 trip from Manhattan through Halifax then London then Berlin (note UK and Germany were at war then!) is simple: they felt the Bolsheviks would bring down the Russian monarchy and government which would help their cause.
PPS. Little factoid you will no doubt believe is fake news (and might be right): one of the first things they did after taking over was, as instructed, to round up all the gold possessed by the Russian nation and ship it back to the banksters who had sponsored their revolution including funds for their publications, staff salaries and so forth. (Color revolutions are NOT a recent invention!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 15:17 utc | 267

An authoritarian mafia state with no press freedom and that keeps getting caught meddling in neighboring countries needs something else to look bad?
Posted by: moab78 | Jun 25 2022 14:26 utc | 255
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You talkin about the Divided States for the moment run by a demented Joe? 😏

Posted by: ostro | Jun 25 2022 15:21 utc | 268

PS. One reason given for the 1917 trip from Manhattan through Halifax then London then Berlin (note UK and Germany were at war then!) is simple: they felt the Bolsheviks would bring down the Russian monarchy and government which would help their cause.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 15:17 utc | 267
This shouldn’t have been the post scriptum, this should have been the body of the comment!
What was their cause, according to you, in this context?
How did they believe, according to you, that financing the bolsheviks would help this cause?

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 15:25 utc | 269

If even 10% of the dissonance found herein can be implied for the way historical events from decades and centuries ago were preserved and recorded, approximately reliable accounts of events can only be arrived at through deduction, from analyzing objective factors, and everything else is suspect.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 25 2022 15:10 utc | 265
Another wise post. Thank you.
Am not sure, but I think the reason the past interests me still – at least in conversations like this – is because many expressed views begin with a premise, many of which are clearly exaggerations from previous conflicts. Unless we are willing to start from different premises we are doomed to keep repeating the mistakes of the past, many of which are truly ghastly. That is my only concern; I definitely don’t have any axe to grind for or against any particular people or nation today based on what may or may not have happened decades or centuries ago.
For example, am quite willing to regard modern Russians as essentially go-forward, decent people in a decent nation even if I am also open to the possibility that some of the things which happened to them and which they did in the past century or so are truly terrible. And the same goes for other countries including the one I grew up in, ‘Great Britain.’ A fresh start is always possible although one can never clean all the blood out of the walls or entirely eradicate its karmic presence by merely painting over.
I like Putin’s Kill Shot ‘Empire of Lies.’ If an individual or nation is bound up in lies, there is no possible good way forward. Lies about the past only matter when they are used as scaffolding on which to build more Big Lies in the present. Then it’s good maybe to point out that the foundation is false. (But only maybe since belief trumps fact every time.) More important is to get into more straight thinking and viewing about what is happening now and where you want to go, how to walk the path as it were. Sometimes jettisoning the old stories can help with this process.
Personally, am impressed by the Russian SMO because it is well explained, well conducted, serious, determined and seemingly principled. (Of course I have no idea what’s really going on over there but this is how it seems to me from afar.)
And it presents a huge contrast to how our Empire of Lies conducts just about everything: lies, hysteria, hatred, stupidity, totally unprincipled, destroying decency and ordinary goodness and so forth. Horrible!
It is the contrast which I find most striking and in this regard Russia truly surprised me this year and I suspect is surprising large swathes of the world population. Russia’s conduct contrasts with the Empire’s so much that the Empire is being exposed as a deceitful, albeit still powerful, fraud. It’s quite something, isn’t it?
Finally, I simply cannot understand what is motivating Ukraine and Europe to keep on their path. Either the stories about this operation are kabuki (as in this is a managed conflict not unlike certain aspects of the Great War of 1913-1948 which I doubt but is always possible) or …… Frankly, I don’t get it. My working theory at this point is that for whatever reason the Western elites are determined to crash their own societies in order to ‘build back better’ in some sort of techno-fascist manner, aka a ‘reset.’ It’s crazy, but there is no sane explanation….
I gave up trying to understand the West some time ago, although for a while I did enjoy trying to find out what ‘really’ happened versus the official narrative. (I’ve given up on that now for reasons you described better than I ever could in your post.) The only surprise the past two decades or so being that the Empire somehow keeps going. I expected it to collapse in the 70’s or 80’s but clearly was wrong!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 15:41 utc | 270

Question from the TASS agency:
Moldova received the status of a candidate for the EU. How fast will this introduction be? How can one assess the operational readiness of Moldova to join the sanctions against Russia?
Answer:
Moldova stood in a long queue for accession to the EU, stretched for decades. Good luck! But you want it faster. Therefore, another way to gain EU membership becomes much more relevant: the creation of a new Greater Romania (Romania Mare).
Romanian politicians have been leading political dances around Moldova for a long time. And now literally. The deputies completed the first-ever joint meeting of the parliaments of Moldova and Romania with a dance performance, holding hands. It looked very funny. But the consequences can be much less funny.
The West is almost legislatively trying to prohibit Russia from considering the Ukrainian people close, in every possible way provoking the deepening of conflict. But with regard to the Romanians and Moldovans, the situation is different. The Bucharest officials, incited by the Brussels “integrators”, are haunted by the idea of ​​recreating the project of Great Romania, buried by the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War. Recently, they have been openly stepping up efforts of various formats for the “legal” takeover of Moldova. Moreover, on the part of Bucharest, we are not even talking about the unification of “fraternal peoples” into some kind of state-like entity. The Romanian authorities arrogantly perceive the interfluve of the Dniester and the Prut as their “temporarily breakaway” province. No wonder the categorical rejection by more than half of the Moldovan society of the Anschluss imposed from outside. In Pridnestrovie, the flag of Romania, strongly associated with grief and suffering during the Great Patriotic War, does not want to see by a vast majority of residents.
The devaluation of Moldovan statehood, which has gained speed, follows Ukrainian patterns – hatred of our country is put at the forefront. An ugly law has been adopted banning the St. George ribbon, which symbolizes victory over Nazism, the Russian media are being eradicated, objectionable opposition leaders are thrown behind bars under far-fetched pretexts.
Who wants a voluntary and sudden death of their state? Usually for politicians such a position is unnatural. They try to protect their own statehood and their personal opportunities. And if, on the contrary, they are ready to destroy their own country for thirty pieces of silver by joining another state, then this is called differently – treason. Surprisingly, this is what the current Moldovan authorities want. Ignoring the will of a significant part of her people, the current president of Moldova is ready to strike out the statehood of the country entrusted to her in one swoop. She, of course, acts according to the recipes of European and overseas curators, which is not at all surprising, because, together with the Moldovan one, she also has Romanian citizenship. Apparently, in the new Romania Mare, she was promised a highly comparable position.
But is it necessary for ordinary citizens of Moldova: Moldovans, Russians, Ukrainians? They weren’t promised anything. Is that the ephemeral “European perspectives” in the status of a candidate for the EU. That is, insanely expensive energy resources and the final loss of the Russian market for Moldovan vegetables, fruits and wine. And of course, the high European prices in the stores of not at all rich Moldova (sorry, the new Greater Romania).
Now they ran ahead of the locomotive. Trying to please their new masters, not being in the EU, they are ready to join the European sanctions against our country. Well. Let them try. Then they can be 100% sure that they will not receive from us not only “expensive” energy and other resources, but none at all. Let them enjoy the sanctions before they get into the EU.
And the final touch about Romania Mare. If a serious mess begins around the Anschluss of Moldova by Romania, it should be borne in mind that about 220 thousand Russian citizens live in Transnistria…
-Dmitry Medvedev

Posted by: ostro | Jun 25 2022 15:58 utc | 271

PS. One reason given for the 1917 trip from Manhattan through Halifax then London then Berlin (note UK and Germany were at war then!) is simple: they felt the Bolsheviks would bring down the Russian monarchy and government which would help their cause.
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 15:17 utc | 267
V I Lenin, the founder of The Bolshevik Party at the 1903 Social Democratic Conference in London travelled by TRAIN to Finland Station courtesy of Ludendorff, dictator in WW1 Germany
The only voyager from New York via Halifax, Canada was Lev Bronstein, aka Trotsky carrying about $20,000 from Jakob Schiff.
Trotsky was however MENSHEVIK not Bolshevik.
Some say Trotsky was a British protege to de-throne the German protege Lenin who was funded in St Petersburg by Mirbach, the German Ambassador – later assassinated.
Are you confused by Mensheviks and Bolsheviks ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 16:05 utc | 272

@ 270
Why stay deep in warfare?
“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.” ― Smedley Butler, USMC

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 16:09 utc | 273

As for why Southern States rebelled, it was over slavery.
No Timmy B you are wrong.
Abraham Lincoln: “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”
The Union was the reason for the War. It was the creation of a Federal Power superior to a Confederation. Lincoln did exactly what Bismarck did in Germany……..
Go read up on “Nullification”

Posted by: Pul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 16:10 utc | 274

@2 re: “Zelensky’s off-Broadway show.”
Thanks for that, it was good for a laugh, though a grim one. People are dying so the show can go on.

Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 16:19 utc | 275

@ Objective Observer | Jun 25 2022 4:44 utc | 195
thanks… it is very subjective this art of translation, but i prefer the earlier one i quoted! cheers..
@ Melaleuca | Jun 25 2022 5:15 utc | 197 and @ Peter AU1 | Jun 25 2022 5:32 utc | 198
i think it is human nature to make mistakes… hopefully one can learn from their mistakes.. i don’t think this is just anglo’s.. i think all people and cultures suffer from this… at this point those individuals in power are making decisions that we will all come to regret, but it is on them.. it is on us to recognize and speak out on all this too..

Posted by: james | Jun 25 2022 16:19 utc | 276

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 16:05 utc | 272
Quite interesting points.
Posted by: Pul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 16:10 utc | 274
Uh, please. What you just posted only says that for Lincoln, abolishing slavery or upholding it were instrumental considerations, not essential at all.
But it says nothing about whether, for the confederates or its leaders, slavery was either instrumental, esential, frugal or binaural. Or about the weight of slavery in their political decisions.
Sorry, I just fail to see how it says anything on that subject.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 16:24 utc | 277

Included in that support package were, among other things, two Harpoon coastal defense systems.
….
Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 25 2022 13:59 utc | 242

I think it’s reasonable to suppose that Harpoon missile(s) and one or more truck-based launchers have been in or near Odessa since shortly before Moskva was sunk.
The Kremlin had motive to promote a vague cause: wanting to set their own pace rather than having to face down domestic pressure to retaliate. US/US would have been happy to sneer along on a just-you-watch-it basis.
The rest of the support package will involve UA personnel so it’ll likely all appear on an RF clobber list in due course
The Harpoon systems are surely being operated by NATO special forces so RF might never be able to target them effectively (unless they get a break). Someone suggested earlier that HIMARS might be used to attack Snake Island and / or defend Odessa.
RF strategy seems to be to minimise their risk exposure and come at Odessa overland when circumstances allow.
I am very much interested in what’s going on w.r.t . Odessa, it looks like the flashpoint for increasingly open RF-NATO engagement.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 25 2022 16:26 utc | 278

The northern oligarchs fought to keep their empire (aka “Union”). The southern oligarchs fought to keep slavery. They said so in their articles of secession.

Posted by: dfg | Jun 25 2022 16:28 utc | 279

@b “This was a classic move done by the book.”
And you love to see it. Russia (and many other former Soviet countries) didn’t lay down 30 million lives to defeat the Nazis in the largest land war in history just to piss away the knowledge gained. Though he professes to dislike him, Putin can thank Stalin. The grinding frontal assault luring more enemy into the trap, the slow-moving pincers ready to clasp shut — this is the Stalingrad playbook, dusted off for a pale shadow of the German Sixth Army.
(By the way, I hope no one forgets the countless Soviet Ukrainians who also laid down their lives in the Great Patriotic War.)

Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 16:28 utc | 280

@Pul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 16:10 utc | 274
Of course the conflict was about ‘States rights’, specifically the right to hold and own slaves, slavery being the underpinning of the economic wealth and power of the southern states. Lincoln understood that to preserve the nation whole the power of the central government must necessarily supersede that of the constituent territories and that the right to secede was a mortal threat. For the South, their ‘noble cause’ was the preservation of the wealth and power of the ruling class which the northern, non slave states, were threatening. ‘States rights’? Yes. Slavery? Yes, absolutely.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2022 16:34 utc | 281

@line islands | Jun 25 2022 16:28 utc | 280
“(By the way, I hope no one forgets the countless Soviet Ukrainians who also laid down their lives in the Great Patriotic War.)”
They problem is that many of their grandchildren have forgotten this fact, sadly.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 25 2022 16:37 utc | 282

Are you confused by Mensheviks and Bolsheviks ?
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 16:05 utc | 272

Trotsky (birth name Bronstein – a Ukrainian Jew) was a Menshevik in the first failed Russian Revolution (1905) but joined the winning Bolsheviks after 1917.
Here is a decent account of Trotsky’s one-month detention in Canada on his way to join the Russian Revolution’s “winners”.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/where-was-leon-trotsky-when-the-russian-revolution-began-why-nova-scotia-of-course

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 25 2022 16:38 utc | 283

Paul Greenwood, I do not understand why quote Lincoln in an attempt to disprove my claim that anyone can see with their own eyes that the reason the Confederate States gave for succeeding in their various Declarations of Independence was slavery.
You can read South Carolina’s Declaration of Succession here: http://www.civilwar.com/resources/government/confederate-states-of-america-government-documents/148336-declaration-of-secession-south-carolina.html
All it talks about is slavery.
You seem not to know this, but Abraham Lincoln didn’t write any of the various Confederate State’s Declarations of Independence. What he said about the lengths he would go to preserve the Union has nothing to do with why the Confederate States actually left the Union.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jun 25 2022 16:52 utc | 284

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 10:51 utc | 214
Texas had an embassy in Paris. There is a plaque on a building commemorating the fact.

Posted by: RB | Jun 25 2022 16:54 utc | 285

Virginia refused to secede in March 1861 when slavery was the issue. A month later, after Lincoln called on all the states to furnish troops to put down the “rebellion” of the states that had already seceded, she voted to secede.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 25 2022 16:55 utc | 286

Russia could simply offer western Ukraine “autonomous region” status.

Posted by: Tom | Jun 25 2022 17:09 utc | 287

“The Stalinist purges…”
…eliminated a Nazi fifth column at the highest levels of the Soviet Union, at catastrophic cost that amounted to a civil war, as none other than Churchill vouched, in his memoirs.
End of story. Next?

Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 17:16 utc | 288

Are you confused by Mensheviks and Bolsheviks ?
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 16:05 utc | 272
Absolutely! I never read much about Russian history and what I did was many years ago. So forgive me for forgetting which -sky was on the trip from Manhattan!! The only point I was making is that it was sponsored by banksters which some here seem to think is a totally outrageous and logically impossible proposition and therefore fake news because no way no how would banksters sponsor communists who supposedly would ruin them.
For all I know, they are right.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 17:18 utc | 289

Quote
“as dangerous, if not more so. The “Western war party”, whose “visible” representatives and tools are Great Britain, Poland and”
England is the main plotter of all European wars and especially against Germany and Russia.
In the 2nd world war plotted by england to make Germany fight Russia and destroy each other, the Soviets lost 27 millions while Russia lost 20 million people but england and usa combined lost only 700 thousand people. All because 3/4th of German army fought on Eastern front and 80 percent of German causality was by the soviets. English, as usual were watching the war from side after putting light to the fuse.
Hitler’s Generals surrounded 300K Brits at Dunkirk, and were ready to finish the job, when Hitler stopped them, saying, ‘we are not in the killing business !’
The Brits crow about Dunkirk which was a deliberate gift by Hitker to Brutish, as if it was an heroic act when it was a case of coward English fleeing from the enemy after getting permission to flee, given by Hitler.
Only Hitler’s personal command to halt prevented Guderian’s tanks and troops turning Dunkirk into an English  bloodbath. And as typical of the English cowards they fled tha battle field as soon as possible-hitler gave them 3 full days !  All because  vile coward liar  Churchill promised something to hitler only token resistance to  his ultimate aim-to destroy russia and (thus from brutish  point of view germans too.
First world war was also plotted by the english pirates trio of Cecil Rhodes, Curzon and Milner way back in 1899!
All wars in Europe have been consequence of english plots to make two European nations (usually the two strongest ones) fight each other. Including 1st world war and then 2nd World War.
Gulf war was plotted by witch thatcher, first Iraq war by criminal tony blair- this Syrian war  again by english rats which borne their ugly child ISIS.
Tony Blair, who, when occupied Iraq, claimed that “we will become the British Empire again,” meaning that he will occupy the rest of the world too!
Now the british are repackaging their dream as global Britain. Only when wars become unpopular, the english stop taking credit for that and let blame be placed on Jews.
and stupid people including hitler blamed jews while it was all along the english parasites who l destabilise, plot and run the war (but those cowards do not fight in beginning-they come late to feast on already weakened enemy of the day.).

Posted by: Soi | Jun 25 2022 17:21 utc | 290

Regarding – von der Leyen using Rose Ladson while in England. Confirmed and also confirmed that her Great Grandmother was a Ladson.
https://headtopics.com/at/als-von-der-leyen-unter-falschem-namen-in-london-studierte-10583106
The Ladsons were also major slave traders ;
…..James Ladson married Judith Smith, a daughter of the slave trader Benjamin Smith and granddaughter of the largest slave trader in the Thirteen Colonies….
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Wragg
Given the names Judith and Benjamin – one suspects that they were not Christian slave traders.
Hmmmm

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2022 17:21 utc | 291

Wrong wiki link for a the Ladson clan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladson_family

Posted by: Exile | Jun 25 2022 17:23 utc | 292

@Scorpion 129
“How do you type that funny ō ?”
On an Android, hold down the “o” key until the panel pops up, and pick “ō” (second character, top line). This also works on an iphone or ipad, and may work on an Apple (see )
On Windows, see
or use (Alt+333 lower case o with macron, Alt+333 upper case O with macron). This also works in Linux.
Or just cut n paste from a handy example 🙂

Posted by: Hermit | Jun 25 2022 17:24 utc | 293

“…because no way no how would banksters sponsor communists who supposedly would ruin them.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 25 2022 17:18 utc | 289
“…except by gross, egregious mistake”
Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 13:53 utc | 241

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 17:26 utc | 294

The Western capitalist plan to use Japan and Germany to encircle the Soviet Union in the 1930s and destroy it from the inside out (hence the Anti-Comintern Pact, also known as the Axis) almost worked. It would’ve, if Stalin hadn’t purged the fifth column, if the British public hadn’t demanded its complicit ruling class do something to stop Hitler, if IG Farben hadn’t gotten greedy and grabbed for the globe, overstepping even its monopoly backers like Ford, GM, and Standard Oil, if if if. The Soviets won, and there’s no shortage of Nazi fellow travellers in this forum reliving the nightmare of their defeat… some even pretending to be pro-Russia and slandering its special operation in Ukraine as another Barbarossa.
Like an inflatable clown, the Nazis keep bouncing back.

Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 17:26 utc | 295

The Ordinance of Secession that the Virginia Secession Convention adopted on April 17, 1861 is easily accessed on line. It gives two justifications for secession: (1) Virginia, when originally ratifying the U.S. Constitution, reserved the right to secede; and (2) the new U.S. government had perverted the powers the U.S. Constitution gave it “not only to the injury of the people of Virginia but to the oppression of the Southern slaveholding states.”

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 25 2022 17:27 utc | 296

@Scorpion 129
Sorry, last post messed up URLs.
“How do you type that funny ō ?”
On an Android, hold down the “o” key until the panel pops up, and pick “ō” (second character, top line). This also works on an iphone or ipad, and may work on an Apple (see https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/enter-characters-with-accent-marks-on-mac-mh27474/mac)
On Windows, see https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/keyboard-shortcuts-to-add-language-accent-marks-in-word-3801b103-6a8d-42a5-b8ba-fdc3774cfc76 or use (Alt+333 lower case o with macron, Alt+333 upper case O with macron). This also works in Linux.
Or just cut n paste from a handy example 🙂

Posted by: Hermit | Jun 25 2022 17:28 utc | 297

Posted by: line islands | Jun 25 2022 17:26 utc | 295
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Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 25 2022 17:33 utc | 298

astro.
Posted by: james | May 7 2022 16:05 utc | 5
Posted by: james | Jun 24 2022 17:58 utc | 63
Hi James, you picked a very nice transition spot but i think you’ve your wants tangled up in the interpretation as the 01aug22 Kiev-sunrise chart suggests toughness-under-pressure, burning of bridges, the emergence of something radically new that’s bigger than can be predicted, all around the highly developed ruler of the conflict (ura==ru). there’s also a new partner in play. so.. new weapons, break with the west, china? bottom line.. undreamed of responses to the actions of someone falling into a trap plus lots of getting cut of.
i comment on the astro weather, in german, at the link.
so.. ja. nice catch!

Posted by: Michael | Jun 25 2022 17:36 utc | 299

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 25 2022 10:51 utc | 214
I suspect Europe may re-experience the Springtime of the Peoples, the various revolutions of 1848 which spread across the continent.
The social triggers include:
01 An increase in food prices – presently forecast due shortage of fertilizer, sanctions, and disruptions in prior trade patterns.
02 An increase in urban unemployment – Major employers relocate to regions with lower energy costs, growing markets, and better trade infrastructure.
03Technological change will also be a factor as a percentage of the work force will be enabled to work from home and will relocate to lower cost rural areas.
04 An increase in rural employment due to relocation effects cited above. The new arrivals will be able to afford the bucolic settings but their arrival will drive up prices for the rural population, generate demand for increased public services resulting in tax increases unwelcome to the existing rural inhabitants.
05 An increase in social frictions – the immigration policies of some states have resulted in urban pockets of immigrant misery which fail to integrate with the host culture. The immigrants will demand equitable treatment and the non-immigrants will respond to the perceived threat. Increased urban social unrest will accelerate the migration from urban to rural settings.
06 The state is viewed with repugnance and hostility. key factors the decisions creating chaos and discomfort – high energy prices, deaths from winter cold and summer heat, the scale of transfers to Ukraine or to NATO, the funds spent on new military hardware to confront a threat that wants little to do with Europe.
07 Loss of social credibility due to the unbalanced uncritical reporting of the MSM. This will heighten all the grievances already described.
08 The “revolt” may take many forms and may lack any cohesive set of arguments or ideology. It is likely to include a Clockwork Orange scale of violence coupled with Brown-shirt vigilantes, state sponsored terror organizations, militant counter protesters, random acts of civil disobedience such as poisoning civic water supplies with psychotropic substances, tribal terror groups and femnazis.
The following is a reasonable description of the future:
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 25 2022 17:42 utc | 300