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June 24, 2022

Ukraine SitRep - Zolote Cauldron Closes - Lysichansk Blocked (Corrected twice)

[Corrected (twice) below]

In the last situation report about the war in Ukraine I discussed the situation near Lysichansk.

The Ukrainian leadership is still sending new units into the Lysichansk cauldron in the east. The Russians do not mind that. Their job is to "demilitarize" Ukraine. To enclose more troops in one swoop makes that easier.


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The distance between the red Russian held area at the the top to the one at the bottom at the most narrow gap is a mere 15 kilometer or some 9 miles. There is only one open road running through it from west to east which is used for pushing resupplies to the Ukrainian troops in Lysichansk.

The map has since changed significantly:

Jun 16

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What developed was first a smaller cauldron around Zolote at the bottom of the map.

Jun 18

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This was a classic move done by the book.

Jun 20

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Then a battalion of Ukrainian troops that was supposed to hold the villages in the upper area of the pocket retreated. Some say they were ordered to leave, others claim they mutinited. The later is more likely as these were amateur infantry from the Territorial Defense Forces who, without sufficient support, had been send to replace better troops that were ordered back.

Jun 22

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The Russians on the eastern wing moved west to take 5 villages in one day along the pocket's northern border.

Jun 24

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That put the lid onto the cauldron which immediately began to cook the estimated 2,000 Ukrainian soldiers who were inside.

The above maps are quite rough. A more detailed one from the Russian side shows that several towns within the Zolote cauldron have not yet been cleared.

Jun 24

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In today's report the Russian Defense Ministry claims:

Successful offensive of Russian units towards Lugansk within 5 days has resulted in the liberation of Loskutovka, Podlesnoye, Mirnaya Dolina, Shchebkaryer, Vrubovka, Nyrkovo, Nikiolayevka, Novoivanovka, Ustinovka and Ray-Aleksandrovka.

Group of Ukrainian units has been completely isolated near Gorskoye and Zolotoye.

This pocket has encircled four battalions: 3rd Mechanised Battalion of 24th Mechanised Brigade, 15th Mountain Assault Battalion of 128th Mountain Assault Brigade, 42nd Mechanised Infantry Battalion of 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, 70th Battalion of 101st Territorial Defence Brigade, as well as an artillery group of 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, a group of Nazis from Right Sector organisation and a detachment of foreign mercenaries.

In total, the Gorskoye pocket has isolated up to 2 thousand people: about 1,800 servicemen, 120 Nazis from Right Sector, up to 80 foreign mercenaries, as well as over 40 armoured combat vehicles and about 80 guns and mortars.

41 servicemen abandoned their resistance and surrendered voluntarily just over the past 24 hours.

According to the prisoners, the encircled Ukrainian units are exhausted. The units are currently manned by less than 40%. Higher Ukrainian command has lost control over these units. Armament, munitions, fuel and other logistic supply is completely stopped.

Russian troops are straitening the Gorskoye encirclement by launching uninterrupted attacks at the enemy. Half of Zolotoye had been taken under control over yesterday.

Since this morning some 600 have additionally surrendered. The others will likely follow later today or tomorrow.

Also this morning the Ukrainian deputy commander for Luhansk province announced that the soldiers and foreign mercenaries who held out in the industrial area of Sevierodonetzk east of Lysichansk were told to retreat to Lysichansk. In fact a full retreat from Lysichansk further west seemed to be likely.

But that was no longer really possible for the 10-15,000 soldiers in and around the city as a bridge on the single road that leads to the west has been dropped overnight onto the railway tracks below.

Correction (19:00 utc) This sections was wrong and has been corrected. A bridge was bombed to cut the escape route from Lysichansk but it was a different one than I first wrote. That does not change the conclusion

Bridge marked in red - This map is of a different bridge.

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This map is of the bridge that was actually destroyed. It is at the north-west of the Lysichansk refinery I discussed in the previous situation report.

Bridge marked in red

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A Russian helicopter performed that mission and it now seems that there was a bigger landing of airborne troops west of the refinery.

Here is how the bridge is now said to be looking. Correction (17:30 utc): The picture does not show the bridge on the map.

Correction (19:00 utc) The picture is of the destroyed bridge but it was geo-located wrongly. But that the bridge on the map is now damaged was reported by a source that is usually correct. I still assume that it is in fact so. Again the map was wrong, not the picture of the bridge.

Sorry for this 'fog of war' confusion. The tactical effects of the incident mentioned below stays the same. [end of both corrections]


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There are still side roads and dirt tracks that can be used but the whole area west of Luhansk is under Russian fire control. The long convoy that would be needed for a retreat can not pass without being severely molested.

The big Lysichansk cauldron has thereby also been closed. Despite the still necessary cleanup of the city and two or three small villages one can state that the former Ukrainian province Luhansk, now the Luhansk People's Republic, has been liberated from Ukraine. 

On the Russian side some 30-40 Battalion Tactical Groups (BTG) have been involved in the whole operation. Most of them can now resupply and rest to later be used elsewhere.

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Has the DPR been fully liberated yet?

Posted by: kalton | Jun 24 2022 14:40 utc | 1

Well there you have it. The rout will begin and the Ukrainian military will cease to be a coherent entity. No doubt we will begin to see Zelensky's off-Broadway show begin to totter, narratives will shift, coup attempts mooted and dumb articles in the Western media about how this is just a ruse to lure the Ruskis into the range of Wunderwaffe. But truths are being proclaimed as though a sky-writer had soared above us to etch them in the deep azure: Russia has won, Russia can dictate its terms, NATO is a paper tiger, the EU a vacuum of will and sovereignty, the post-war US hegemony is OVER.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 24 2022 14:53 utc | 2

PS. a minor miracle to be so early in the posts. I can't sleep at 1am in Sydney and b tweets... thanks b for the solace in my insomnia...

Posted by: Patroklos | Jun 24 2022 14:56 utc | 3

@Posted by: kalton | Jun 24 2022 14:40 utc | 1

"Has the DPR been fully liberated yet?"

There are two or three parts to that question.
1) liberated land area
2) removal of Nazi threat
3) ending the threat from a reconstituted Kiev military force

Posted by: librul | Jun 24 2022 14:57 utc | 4

From IntelSlava

🇺🇦⚡A draft law has been submitted to the Verkhovna Rada proposing to draft disabled people "with their consent" into the army. Also, once again it is proposed to tighten the ban on leaving the territory of Ukraine for men from 18 to 60 years old.

The problems of the "war to the last Ukrainian" is that the number of Ukrainians is finite, so when the motivated ones began to run out, all that remains is to drive deviationists and disabled people to the slaughterhouse.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2022 14:58 utc | 5

I want to read a headline some morning *soon*
that Zelensky has been tossed by a coup.

Posted by: librul | Jun 24 2022 14:59 utc | 6

At what point is it (was it) a war crime to continue to send "troops" to the slaughter?

Posted by: Malinformer | Jun 24 2022 15:03 utc | 7

As Ernest Hemingway said about going broke: "Slowly, then all at once."

Posted by: Jhill | Jun 24 2022 15:08 utc | 8

In other news Eu seeks to assemble a fleet of imaginary warships capable of overland journeys to by pass the Montreaux agreement. Then collect next years imaginary supply wheat currently stored in the so called free of mines port of Odessa.

Stupid is as stupid does........

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 24 2022 15:09 utc | 9

I want to read a headline some morning *soon* that Zelensky has been tossed by a coup.

Posted by: librul | Jun 24 2022 14:59 utc | 6

At some point it will occur to the Ukronazis that elensky is a Jew. This will be at about the same time as they realize he's outlived his usefulness.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 15:13 utc | 10

amazing. i read that so slowly, savoring every word. as always, thanks b.

Posted by: annie | Jun 24 2022 15:15 utc | 11

Delusional!!

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
·
19h
⚡️ Zelensky on Ukraine's EU candidate status: "It's a victory. Now, we will defeat the enemy, rebuild Ukraine, become a EU member state, and then – we will finally rest."

Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2022 15:16 utc | 12

@ Down South | Jun 24 2022 15:16 utc | 12

Well, the guy is a comedian by trade.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 15:22 utc | 13

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 24 2022 15:09 utc | 9
LOL!

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 24 2022 15:27 utc | 14

Hopefully, Zelensky will be deposed in a coup sometime before August so that a more competent leader can replace him and make concessions necessary to save Ukraine. If this deteriorates into a full rout in the east, then Odessa will be taken by Sept/Oct and I don't see any situation where Russia would give that up. If Ukraine does completely collapse I'm curious how the West will react, the Neocons seems to have redefined "victory" over Russia from regime change in Russia to the start of a new Cold War that would last decades.

Posted by: Kadath | Jun 24 2022 15:29 utc | 15

@Down South | Jun 24 2022 15:16 utc | 12

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
·
19h
⚡️ Zelensky on Ukraine's EU candidate status: "It's a victory. Now, we will defeat the enemy, rebuild Ukraine, become a EU member state, and then – we will finally rest."

So who, exactly, do you suppose the comedian's intended audience is at this point? EU or US citizenry? Can't likely be Ukrainians at this point...

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 24 2022 15:32 utc | 16

Great news, b, thank you. The operational progression, shown in granular detail, is truly impressive. To those impatient with the "slow" pace of the SMO, accustomed as we are to the hard-core military porn of US shock'n awe, the RF reveals brilliant over-all strategy, elegant operational planning and methodical tactics in preserving civilian lives and infrastructure, while demilitarizing Ukraine. Wonderfully presented.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 24 2022 15:37 utc | 17

Underlying message must be: "We are all Europeans. Please keep sending us money so when we re-settle among you we can continue to live in the style to which we are accustomed."

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 24 2022 15:38 utc | 18

15 km, wow !!! The gauntlet is set for some punishing pay back to the Failed State troops.

If they managed to escape in large numbers from this trap, they are likely to pay a visit to the Clown in Kiev.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Jun 24 2022 15:44 utc | 19

After a day of serious Ukrainian military setbacks, today's New York Times has zero Ukraine war coverage on the front page. Cheer leading for Ukrainian victory seems to have been abandoned by the NYT leadership.

Posted by: HH | Jun 24 2022 15:49 utc | 20

zelensky will leave the country on a cia flight to Virginia were he will open comedy club paid for by Amerikan tax payer so he doesn't have to spend the billions he has stolen.

Thanks b for the good news

Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 24 2022 15:51 utc | 21

LOL. Nothing matters.

Dow Gains More Than 600 Points as Interest-Rate Expectations Cool ==> https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stocks-markets-dow-update-06-24-2022-11656055923

Posted by: too scents | Jun 24 2022 15:56 utc | 22

Russia in, America out and Germany up is getting ever closer. Of course Putin will need to trust but verify but at least it’s more feasible than expecting a teleprompter to be agreement capable?

Posted by: Marcus Agrippa | Jun 24 2022 15:57 utc | 23

According to the duran duran, ukraine has 650k mobilised and entrenched defenders vs 200k russian and local militia attackers, so any talk that ‘it’s all over’ is considerably premature imv.

Posted by: Oh | Jun 24 2022 15:58 utc | 24

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 24 2022 15:32 utc | 16

The only phrase that comes to mind is “fiddling whilst Rome burns”

Zelensky & Co have openly called into question the competency head of the Army, the head of the SBU, it’s just a matter of time before he’s overthrown.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2022 16:01 utc | 25

https://t.me/intelslava/31827

Looks like the Cauldrons are Cascade-Collapsing UKRoNazi City Fortifications.

Lysichansk are already engaged on their West by RUS_Forces.

Posted by: IronForge | Jun 24 2022 16:02 utc | 26

“ According to the duran duran, ukraine has 650k mobilised and entrenched defenders vs 200k russian and local militia attackers, so any talk that ‘it’s all over’ is considerably premature imv.”

But what do the Pet Shop Boys say ?

Posted by: Dale | Jun 24 2022 16:04 utc | 27

I don't see Zelenskii being deposed anytime soon. The West has already spent so much time and PR building the little twerp as the Second Coming of Winston Churchill, King Leonidas of Sparta, Rambo and Braveheart, all rolled into one, that it can't easily change course now.

My bigger concern is that as Ukraine collapses, the overheated rhetoric and weapons poured into into Ukraine, combined with Muh American Credibility and Biden's tottering approval ratings all will demand that the US keep on doubling down. That is what is driving the Lithuanians, for example.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Jun 24 2022 16:04 utc | 28

I see the failed state of Ukraine is now a candidate member to join the failed EU apparat, which is a colony of the Outlaw US Empire. How appropriate, two failures that will soon cease to exist.

The SMO still has much to accomplish--the destruction of more NATO weapons and munitions so their warehouses and armories are emptied for the phase that follows Ukraine--Brilliant! As for the intensity of the battlespace and almost total Russian control of it, I highly suggest reading this brief item, "US drones won’t survive over Ukraine for long – Foreign Policy":

"'We are not advocating for the Gray Eagles [combat drone],' one pilot, who went only by ‘Moonfish’, told the outlet. 'It’s very dangerous to use such expensive drones in our case, because of the enemy’s air defense,' he added. 'It’s not Afghanistan here.'"

I'll not give away the rest. As barflies can surmise from the daily Clobber Reports, airborne objects don't last very long in Ukraine's skies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 24 2022 16:05 utc | 29

This is indeed great news! I hope the Russians will liquidate the 2000 Ukies to teach the rest of the Ukraine a hard lesson.

Posted by: Sam Smith | Jun 24 2022 16:07 utc | 30

Thank you b! You explained that so carefully and clearly. Even I can understand the progression; I'm very grateful. And to all for other clarifying posts.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 24 2022 16:07 utc | 31

650k mobilised and entrenched defenders ...
Posted by: Oh | Jun 24 2022 15:58 utc | 24

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Those defenders are also hungry, unorganized and undersupplied.

Perhaps it is better to consider them participants whose lived experience will shape post globalist Ukraine for as long as they have stories to tell.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 24 2022 16:08 utc | 32

There's a fairly large industrial plant ("Verkhn'okam'yanka") very near the focal point of the Lysychansk pocket, where the East-West road is near the thinnest point of the pocket. Have the Ukranians dug in there? It would fit my theory that they are basing their defensive strong-points at places that Russia might not want to hit with serious artillery. But in this case, the plant is not in a city, so it might not work. Russia would have two reasons to avoid bombing such sites: (1) to protect local civilians from toxic fumes & fires (humanitarian concerns), and (2) to preserve the infrastructure (economic concerns). This plant looks relatively new, so bombing it would be have greater economic cost, but there would be less danger to nearby civilians (compared to Severodonetsk, where the industrial area looks older, but is right next to the city center).

If the Ukranians make a big stand there, it will indicate that they think that Russia will be reluctant to blast the plant.

Posted by: elkern | Jun 24 2022 16:09 utc | 33

thanks b...

it would be nice if those inside the cauldron were allowed to surrender...

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2022 16:15 utc | 34

But what do the Pet Shop Boys say ?

Posted by: Dale | Jun 24 2022 16:04 utc | 27

I believe they say "Let's make lots of money" . . .

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 16:16 utc | 35

@elkern | Jun 24 2022 16:09 utc | 33

"If the Ukranians make a big stand there, it will indicate that they think that Russia will be reluctant to blast the plant."

Best strategy in this case is encirclement and patience.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 24 2022 16:19 utc | 36

Thanks for the ongoing posting b

Let me repeat that the coming NATO gathering will be to discuss term of surrender and the dissolution of NATO

I expect they will have the message by then that resistance is futile in Ukraine and China is coming right behind to close the global deal.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 24 2022 16:19 utc | 37

@ elkern | Jun 24 2022 16:09 utc | 33

if the leadership on display on ukraines side is any indication, whatever the most crazy assed stupid thing to do is - they will do it with usa-cia backing of course..

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2022 16:20 utc | 38

Thanks, b

Posted by: par4 | Jun 24 2022 16:21 utc | 39

@ psychohistorian | Jun 24 2022 16:19 utc | 37

everything witnessed to date here suggests the exact opposite as i see it... although i wish you're correct!

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2022 16:22 utc | 40

everything witnessed to date here suggests the exact opposite as i see it... although i wish you're correct!

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2022 16:22 utc | 40

I try to stick to observations rather than make predictions, but I think it safe to assume that NATO/EU/USA will double down for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 16:27 utc | 41

But what do the Pet Shop Boys say ?

Posted by: Dale | Jun 24 2022 16:04 utc | 27

Go West, and Let's make lot's of money.

Posted by: A.L. | Jun 24 2022 16:28 utc | 42

@ malenkov | Jun 24 2022 16:27 utc | 41

its in my nature to do a bit of both.... my astro prediction is change in ukee leadership early august..

Posted by: jams | Jun 24 2022 16:30 utc | 43

#---Posted by: kalton | Jun 24 2022 14:40 utc | 1

----Has the DPR been fully liberated yet?

This isn't a traditional war - with presidents declaring victory within the attention-span of a US citizen. This is a Special Operation to de-militarize and de-nazify Ukraine. If it wears you out- I can only imagine what it does to the NATO-leaders and their Ukrainian cannon-fodder.

Posted by: Anne B | Jun 24 2022 16:32 utc | 44

Underlying message must be: "We are all Europeans. Please keep sending us money so when we re-settle among you we can continue to live in the style to which we are accustomed." the pessimist@18

In Ruanda? That is where Ukrainian refugees to the UK are going to go, unless, of course, they are very well connected.
My guess is that a large proportion of the Ukrainian refugees now stranded in Europe would be very happy to be given safe passage to Russia or the two republics.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 16:39 utc | 45

It is almost two weeks old but this article by Dimitris Konstantakopoulos is still very relevant. As this excerpt will show:

"....The reasons why a “pro-compromise” camp has arisen in the very center of the West are manifold:

"1. At the start of the war, Western analysts believed that military victory and even regime change in Russia were possible. It was all stupid nonsense, as proven by several centuries of wars between the West and Russia. Yet it was a powerful illusion.

"After the fall of Mariupol, it became apparent that Russia cannot be defeated militarily in this war, and that it is not possible to reverse its territorial gains which will expand over time.

"2. Washington and Europe cannot handle the enormous social and economic consequences of sanctions around the world, including in Western states themselves.

"3. Instead of consolidating Western dominance on the planet, the West's anti-Russian extremist policy imposed by Washington and other Western extremists threatens to undermine continued American and Western global dominance. It achieves this by stabilizing the Moscow-Beijing axis and Western unity itself. It is clear that Kissinger and Mearsheimer, two of the main opponents of current American policy (as well as Trump's sui generis far right) would prefer some sort of alliance of capitalist powers (including Russia) against China and its regime. planned economy rather than a war against an anti-Western and anti-imperialist Russian-Chinese front.

"Western unity is undermined because Washington's European allies (or rather satellites) bear the brunt of the extremist anti-Russian policy, while the United States reaps all the benefits (it tightens its control over Europe, become its energy suppliers and sell many more weapons to European states).

"4. Prolonging the conflict risks further undermining the strength of the post-communist capitalist economic oligarchy of Russia and other former Soviet states. This oligarchy is the main organic ally of the West throughout the former Soviet Union.

""But there is probably a fifth issue, just as dangerous, if not more so. The “Western war party”, whose “visible” representatives and tools are Great Britain, Poland and other Eastern European states and, probably, the Ukrainian power itself, wants climbing. There is even a core within it determined to go for all-out wars and chaos on the planet. It is the deep, very deep (not strictly American but international) rogue state. ...."

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/ukraine-divisions-en-occident-et-impasse-strategique-pour-le-monde/

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 16:47 utc | 46

My guess is that a large proportion of the Ukrainian refugees now stranded in Europe would be very happy to be given safe passage to Russia or the two republics.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 16:39 utc | 45

And my guess is that they'll be frogmarched back into Ukronazistan to replenish the supply of cannon fodder. The wealthy and well-connected ones excepted, of course, as always.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 16:49 utc | 47

@Dale #27:

“ According to the duran duran, ukraine has 650k mobilised and entrenched defenders vs 200k russian and local militia attackers, so any talk that ‘it’s all over’ is considerably premature imv.”

But what do the Pet Shop Boys say ?

They say “Go West” ;-)

Posted by: S | Jun 24 2022 16:53 utc | 48

Oops. A.L. beat me to it.

Posted by: S | Jun 24 2022 16:56 utc | 49

I'm eager to hear any report that a HIMARS has been hit.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 24 2022 17:00 utc | 50

Macron doing his best Ed McMann immitation - You may be a sweepstakes winner!

At what point will they realise they are being played by the west?

Posted by: jared | Jun 24 2022 17:02 utc | 51

Let me repeat that the coming NATO gathering will be to discuss term of surrender and the dissolution of NATO.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 24 2022 16:19 utc | 37

Wishful thinking... when has an alliance such as NATO ever decided to voluntarily dissolve itself?

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 24 2022 17:03 utc | 52

While DC's Clinton/Bush/Obama/Biden Administration[singular-intended] & the "forget-me-nots" in London actions created the circumstances of this war...

I feel no joy in the demise of the ordinary soldier of former-Ukrainia; they've been coerced into fighting on behalf of a foreign imperial power through ceaseless propaganda and Gestapoesque social control; they've been poorly-led, poorly-fed, abandoned by Senior Command. Their suffering and death is in vain, their families destroyed, it is a tragedy.

If hate is in order, better to hate the perpetrators, DC's Clinton/Bush/Obama/Biden Administration[singular-intended] & the "forget-me-nots" in London rather than the victims of the aforementioned miscreants subterfuge.

To be clear, for those who engage with studious ignorance, I refer to "ordinary soldiers", not former-Ukrainia's cowardly "Brown Shirts"...as always, in the rear of every formation.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 24 2022 17:06 utc | 53

The number of Ukie army surrounded in the Zolote cauldron is surprising, it probably means that very few of the Ukie troops escaped being surrounded. If it really is 2,000, and they are down to 40% staffing level, then the Ukie military wasted over 4,000 soldiers in an inevitable cauldron. Then 10-15,000 in and around Severodonetsk, however many trapped in the Svitlodarsk area, then the troops surrounded in Svyatagorsk. Plus the ongoing daily losses which seem to be increasing as the Russians are getting very good at hitting Ukie troop concentrations with artillery/missiles producing hundreds of losses at a time, plus the related equipment.

This is both a military and a propaganda denouement for Ukraine and the West. Military collapse and political chaos in Ukraine should be expected, together with huge issues for Western politicians as the sanctions bite deeper and deeper and the Ukraine is shown as a lost cause. If its true that the Ukraine government is about to authorize the military use of people with disabilities, and are asking for men abroad to be returned to Ukraine, they are already well past the point of exhausting their reserves.

Looking at the map, the best next move for Russia would not be to Kharkiv or Odessa, but to Dnipro from the south (through Zhaporizhia about 30km) and east (from Slavyansk about 70km), as that would create a cauldron for all of the Ukie troops east of the Dnieper and south of Dnipro. The Ukrainian army would be to all intents and purposes destroyed, and in the next moves the Russian army would have overwhelming superiority.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 24 2022 17:12 utc | 54

650k mobilised and entrenched defenders ...
Posted by: Oh | Jun 24 2022 15:58 utc | 24

Given that country 404 has a large number of sticky fingers to feed. It should be safe to presume to assume that 98% are paper soldiers only.......

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 24 2022 17:15 utc | 55

Another Pro-Russian leader bites the dust

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-installed-kherson-official-killed-bomb-blast-2022-06-24/

It is very likely the new GPS guided precision HIMARS rockets will be used in similar high value target strikes. It won't likely change the course of the war, but i wouldn't want to be an officer or a mayor living with that sort of Damocles' sword over my head.

And yet, CIA and various other Western intelligence personnel, trainers and advisors in Western Ukraine go to work every day unperturbed, as Russia refuses to strike the very 'decision making centres' that arrange for the murder of Russia's most competent leaders. I just don't understand. Not even gonna shoot down an unmanned drone over the Black Sea, knowing full well it is there for the sole purpose of killing Russians?

A part of me wonders if losing 27 Million in WW2 on top of all the other millions in famines, purges etc has not entered in the Russian psyche to the point where the expect every conflict or situation to be more costly than it has to be, and that unless there aren't martyrs and widows, then it's just not the Russian way to get things done.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 24 2022 17:22 utc | 56

"...the demise of the ordinary soldier of former-Ukrainia; they've been coerced into fighting on behalf of a foreign imperial power through ceaseless propaganda and Gestapoesque social control; they've been poorly-led, poorly-fed, abandoned by Senior Command. Their suffering and death is in vain, their families destroyed, it is a tragedy."

Posted by: S Brennan | Jun 24 2022 17:06 utc | 53

Gee, that sounds a lot like what happened to citizens of most Western countries whose CV measures pretty much accomplished the same thing. At least with the "the ordinary soldier of former-Ukrainia" they died fighting, however misguided. The victims of the bioweapons did so out of fear & misguided trust in corrupt pols & paid shills and dutifully marched right onto the proverbial rail cars, eyes wide shut

The "Four Horsemen" are indeed on the march & picking up speed...

Thanks b for this oasis. Godspeed all & stay strong...

Posted by: ianMoone | Jun 24 2022 17:26 utc | 57

@ psychohistorian | Jun 24 2022 16:19 utc | 37 Re:

"Let me repeat that the coming NATO gathering will be to discuss term of surrender and the dissolution of NATO"

A very bold prediction if I might say. I would be both astonished and elated if your prediction came to pass.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 24 2022 17:35 utc | 58

And my guess is that they'll be frogmarched back into Ukronazistan to replenish the supply of cannon fodder.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 16:49 utc | 47

- or frogmarched into Polish/Lithuanian training camps under various nato cmdr's...

Posted by: ERing46Z | Jun 24 2022 17:41 utc | 59

@ jams | Jun 24 2022 16:30 utc | 43 Re:

"my astro prediction is change in ukee leadership early august.."

You do astro predictions? Do you use any other techniques? I hear that crystal balls, tarot cards, tea-leaves, entrails etc are also used. Even spilled liquids can be used for the for fortune telling apparently, any liquid can be used (except for milk obviously)

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 24 2022 17:47 utc | 60

lol... perhaps.... they can probably use milk too, although it might cloud the perceptions.. go with skim, or 2%..

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2022 17:49 utc | 61

Regarding...

The only phrase that comes to mind is “fiddling whilst Rome burns”

Zelensky & Co have openly called into question the competency head of the Army, the head of the SBU, it’s just a matter of time before he’s overthrown.

Posted by: Down South | Jun 24 2022 16:01 utc | 25

--
He can't be overthrown, he can only be thrown out by the his US overlords (whoever writes Biden's Chea Sheets)..
And he is still needed as either a scapegoat later on or if he goas up in flames in a last big show
down as a James Dean/Elvis like legend/hero/marthyr/messiah for the West..

Nobody's stopping this train wreck as no Stauffenberg stopped Hiller till the end.
Only the Russian's decide when it ends (or Nato decides when to escalate..).

Posted by: C | Jun 24 2022 17:58 utc | 62

from may 7th

i did some astro work with a friend... i figure the way that mars-rahu-uranus conjunction hits zelensky and the 557pm ukraine chart indicates a change in leadership... the conjunction happens august 1st... lets see what happens right in that window of time.. it is a long ways away, but many here seemed to think this dynamic would be over quickly and the longer it goes on, the less likely that appears to me...

Posted by: james | May 7 2022 16:05 utc | 5

Posted by: james | Jun 24 2022 17:58 utc | 63

@ james | Jun 24 2022 17:49 utc | 61

No James milk is useless for fortune telling. I thought everyone knew that its no use scrying over spilled milk.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 24 2022 18:04 utc | 64

"12 EU countries are completely or partially cut off from Russian gas, - the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen"

https://t.me/intelslava/31849


"EU leaders have instructed the European Commission to take urgent action to ensure affordable energy supplies."

Here is a crazy idea: Say you are sorry, admit you f#cked it all up, come to your senses, drop the sanctions and Saint Zelensky routine, and hope the Russians have more humanity and pragmatism than you ever showed.. before it's really too late.

Posted by: Furious European | Jun 24 2022 18:05 utc | 65

Wait until Boris gets back from Rwanda, he'll know what to do.

He reckons UK's Ukrainian immigrants will love it there.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 24 2022 18:12 utc | 66

@65 Furious European

yeah really... ugh... I mean there are of course the endless harassments and insults, stealing the bank accounts, regime changes, supporting nazi terrorists, but let's just say those things are invisible to the financial sector. Even so, you'd think they can figure out that a EU policy forbidding trade with their closest, cheapest, and best-interconnected gas supplier, will have the result it had. Whose sympathy are they expecting?

Posted by: ptb | Jun 24 2022 18:14 utc | 67

Guess Canada refused to allow those Siemens soare parts to be shipped to the pipeline. That’s what we call a paradox - Canada starving Germany of natural gas via sanctions

Posted by: Exile | Jun 24 2022 18:16 utc | 68

@56

"....but i wouldn't want to be an officer or a mayor living with that sort of Damocles' sword over my head"

And that pretty much sums up why Europeans currently have no independence or sovereignty, while Russia and China do.

Posted by: ptb | Jun 24 2022 18:19 utc | 69

@56
By the way hope you realize you're cheerleading for terrorism. Bravo.

Posted by: ptb | Jun 24 2022 18:22 utc | 70

This website is a good news and analysis aggregator from the Russian side:

https://en.topwar.ru

You can find relevant and sceptical debate there; much higher level than the inane White Russian / triumphalist nonsense from Saker, Martynov et al.

Posted by: Moaobserver | Jun 24 2022 18:40 utc | 71

Maria Zakharova updates the status of Russia-Outlaw US Empire relations:

In recent days, openly contradictory trends have emerged in the line of the official US authorities.

On the one hand, we hear more frequent official assurances about Washington's alleged intention to preserve diplomatic relations and maintain normal conditions for the functioning of the diplomatic missions of the two countries. On the other hand, it is impossible not to state that such statements are essentially crossed out by the increasingly hostile actions of the American side.

It is difficult to call a ban on rail transit of a wide range of goods to the Kaliningrad region introduced by the so-called "collective West", with an obvious submission and under the dictation of the White House Administration, and the almost simultaneous disruption of a special flight for the export of our diplomats from the United States to their homeland, which the American authorities have been ultimatly ordered to leave Washington. And as if this is not enough, an outwardly inadequate, but in fact frankly provocative trick, as rightly and indignantly noted by the Russian public, an employee of the Office of the Defense Attaché at the US Diplomatic Mission in Moscow. There is every reason to believe that we are talking about manifestations of complex tactics, or rather, about rude and arrogant attempts to talk to us "from a position of strength."

We will draw the appropriate conclusions and take appropriate measures. In this regard, we emphasize that the Russian side considers it objectively impossible to hold the Russian-American expert consultations on bilateral "irritants" planned in the near future, especially taking into account that Washington in practice only multiplies these very "irritants".

Moscow makes it clear that Lithuania's actions are done at the behest of the Outlaw US Empire and the same can be said for Canada's "decision" not to allow the turbines to return to their owners, although that doesn't harm Russia. Patrushev is in Kaliningrad compiling data for a report that will be discussed over the weekend.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 24 2022 18:41 utc | 72

Every time I hear cauldron I immediately think Shakespeare. This US-NATO Ukrainian inspired Comic-Tragedy would have been his finest work.

This Western House of Cards is in the throes of collapse, anger, confusion, complete delirium abound.

To the Victor the spoils.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 24 2022 18:47 utc | 73

Zakharova on the just completed EU Summit:

The EU summit held in Brussels did not bring any serious changes to European security. The same confrontational rhetoric against our country that we have been hearing in recent months.

The decision to grant Ukraine and Moldova the status of candidate countries for membership in the European Union, in fact, confirmed that it continues the policy of active geopolitical development of the CIS space, its use in order to "contain" Russia. Moreover, all means are used - from financial and economic levers to military support. In this case, the strict criteria for rapprochement with the EU imposed on other candidates, such as the rule of law, the fight against corruption, the independence of the judiciary, respect for human rights, the protection of national minorities, freedom of speech and the development of a market economy, are simply pushed aside for the sake of political expediency. The future of "united Europe", its "ideals" of democracy, are sacrificed to the task of unrestrained expansion of the EU, political and economic enslavement of neighbors. The negative consequences of such a step are not thought about, as they once did not think about at the NATO summit in Bucharest in 2008, writing down in the decision the formula that "Georgia and Ukraine will become members of the alliance."

In an effort to expand their sphere of influence, the EU professes a cynical-consumerist approach. For them, the main thing is to ensure a long-term fixation of relations with the regions of their "neighborhood" on the principle of "leader-led", so that the Eurospirators unquestioningly agree with all the decisions of Brussels. The usual "diplomatic" practice for him is to use the methods of political and economic blackmail and pressure to force the candidate countries to follow the illegitimate sanctions policy of the EU, regardless of the national priorities for the development of foreign trade and the socio-economic sphere of these states, to demand accession to all EU foreign policy statements, the coordination of which they are not allowed. For this purpose, new forms of involvement of third countries, such as the "European political society", are being invented.

The European Union once again proves that there is very little economic and creative in this integration association, which was created in order to prevent wars in Europe. The EU is further "investing" in the continuation of hostilities in Ukraine, which in its new capacity as a candidate country for the European Union will demand with a vengeance at the upcoming NATO summit in Madrid on June 28-30 to increase the supply of weapons and military equipment. In order to kill civilians, destroy civilian infrastructure and shell the positions of the Russian armed forces.

Such an aggressive approach of the European Union obviously carries the potential for the emergence of new, deeper lines of division and crises in Europe as a whole. Such a policy of Brussels has nothing to do with the real needs of the inhabitants of Ukraine and the EU countries.

No one in the European Union cares about the true interests of a united and indivisible Europe anymore.

I find it very hard to disagree with anything she mentioned. All EU actions serve the interests of its Master the Outlaw US Empire, and we'll see similar crap at the upcoming NATO Summit in Madrid over the weekend.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 24 2022 18:50 utc | 74

>>>>: kalton | Jun 24 2022 14:40 utc | 1

Has the DPR been fully liberated yet?

Simple question demands simple answer. No. To the southwest of Severodonetsk is the last piece of Lugansk People's Republic occupied by Ukraine AFAIK. The border between Lugansk and Donetsk is shown by the line of short grey dashes running south from Bilohorivka in the maps above. The liberation of Lugansk People's Republic should be completed in the next few days.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 24 2022 18:59 utc | 75

Posted by: jared | Jun 24 2022 17:02 utc | 51

At what point will they realise they are being played by the west?

It's the citizens of the West who are the intended targets of this propaganda. Latest sales pitch to justify continued extraction of money and rights from the West's citizens. Just one campaign in the "People will own nothing and be happy" war...

Posted by: Seer | Jun 24 2022 19:03 utc | 76

Opport Knocks | Jun 24 2022 17:03 utc | 52
SEATO and CENTO, NATO's southeast asian and west asian equivalents were both dissolved

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 19:04 utc | 77

... Generals know what war is and they also understand the dangers associated with the means of mass destruction. On the contrary, the overwhelming majority of today's Western political personnel are very uneducated and very inexperienced, they grew up in the particular atmosphere of the "end of history" and the eternal victory of Western capitalism and were propelled to the positions she holds by US and EU “special leadership creation labs” or International Finance Capital. They are extremely dangerous ignoramuses who could lead humanity to world war and annihilation because they do not understand what they are doing and they are intellectually and morally disconnected from the real world (this is very obvious top to bottom of many international bureaucracies like NATO, EU, OECD, partly UN, etc.). The emergence of this personnel also reflects the enormous increase in entropy, the extent of disorder and irrationalism in the world and particularly in the western capitalist-imperialist system.
...
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/ukraine-divisions-en-occident-et-impasse-strategique-pour-le-monde/

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 16:47 utc | 46

Great article, many thanks,

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 24 2022 19:05 utc | 78

karlof1 | Jun 24 2022 18:41 utc | 72

I had read about that refusing the flight for the Russian diplomats a few days ago. I wonder if this is about US getting some high value prisoners to swap for the Mariupol Nato headquarters. Kayrov's five big fish.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 24 2022 19:05 utc | 79

Posted by: Oh | Jun 24 2022 15:58 utc | 24

Ukraine has 650k mobilised and entrenched defenders vs 200k russian and local militia attackers, so any talk that ‘it’s all over’ is considerably premature imv.

In Ukraine, people with disabilities are conscripted into military service.

It will take them a few months to train the double amputees to shoulder a rifle. And a few weeks longer to train the legally blind to aim it.

To outlaw bi-pedalism
Is one step forward

Joe Tzu

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 24 2022 19:08 utc | 80

You do astro predictions? Do you use any other techniques? I hear that crystal balls, tarot cards, tea-leaves, entrails etc are also used. Even spilled liquids can be used for the for fortune telling apparently, any liquid can be used (except for milk obviously)

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 24 2022 17:47 utc | 60

May I in addition put forward the "I Ching" ? ;-)

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Jun 24 2022 19:08 utc | 81

Today's "Military Summary" update describes a chaotic situation in the Lisichansk cauldron. Perhaps the Russians are hoping that an accelerated pace will further destabilize the remaining Ukrainian forces and maybe even engineer another mass surrender for the entire cauldron. Estimated around 8k UAF remaining there. Even such a significant defeat won't likely result in immediate changes elsewhere, at least not initially, but it should make UAF recruitment efforts more difficult and perhaps lower the morale of remaining forces in other areas.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 24 2022 19:13 utc | 82

>>>>>: Exile | Jun 24 2022 18:16 utc | 68

Guess Canada refused to allow those Siemens soare parts to be shipped to the pipeline. That’s what we call a paradox - Canada starving Germany of natural gas via sanctions

Given Lithuania wouldn't have banned Russian transit through its territory without Germany's backing, I thought best response would be Russia cutting of all supplies of fuel, metals, etc. to Europe. Great to see Canada getting it started.

Since Washington no doubt pressured Lithuania into doing this, perhaps Russia should ban all supplies of fuel, metal, etc. to US. Come the end of the year when many European companies are staring bankruptcy in the face, at least there won't be so many potential buyers in the US. Perhaps Russia should be ready to buy them through Asian proxies.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Jun 24 2022 19:15 utc | 83

Lavrov's presser at the end of his working visit to Azerbaijan provides new info on several ongoing developments, plus Lavrov had this to say about the EU Summit:

Question: Ukraine and Moldova are now official candidates for EU membership. Charles Michel called this moment historic. Do you think this EU decision will have any practical consequences? Or is it just a demonstrative action against Russia?

Sergey Lavrov: Our position has always been based on the fact that the EU is not a military-political bloc. Unlike the North Atlantic Alliance, the development of its relations with any countries that wish to do so does not create any threats and risks for us. This was once again confirmed by President of Russia Vladimir Putin in his speech at the SPIEF.

At the same time, we are well aware that the European Union over the past few years has greatly evolved, if not mimicked in the direction of acquiring an aggressive ideological background, primarily Russophobic. The EU leaders themselves, when they publicly read strict lectures to countries either that have the status of a candidate or wish to acquire such status, directly state that if a candidate country, then it has no choice but to support all foreign policy approaches of the European Union without exception, including all measures taken against the Russian Federation (this is almost a quote). This is how European officials address their demands, particularly to Serbia. This country is a candidate, but it categorically does not want to lose, like everyone else, its independence and join decisions that directly contradict its fundamental interests – in this case, relations with the Russian Federation. Our country was one of the few in those years when NATO committed aggression against Yugoslavia in gross violation of all OSCE principles. This was the first situation in which OSCE countries attacked and bombed, including civilian infrastructure, a state that was part of the OSCE. Bridges, railway passenger trains, a television center and other purely civilian facilities were bombed there. Serbia does not want to forget about the solidarity that Russia showed in those years. At the very least, we must respect the Serbian people and their historical memory. Not to mention the history of more recent years: the Second World War and other events that preceded it in our common history.

This is a shameless and unceremonious demand of the EU: if you want to be their candidate, you must take a Russophobic position on the way to membership. The European Union proves that it does not want any unifying trends in Europe, does not fulfill and is not going to fulfill the existing agreements between the Russian Federation and the EU countries regarding the development of common spaces in the economy, humanitarian sphere and internal security, does not want to fulfill the tasks formulated in line with high goals: the creation of a common space from the Atlantic to the Pacific, etc. All this is behind, at one time. We will take a realistic look at the EU's behaviour and monitor the real steps it is taking and how the candidate countries are complying with these demands or trying to show their independence.

We have little illusion that the current Russophobic charge of the EU will somehow "dissipate" or change in the foreseeable or long term. The path that Europeans have chosen is reminiscent of the beginning of World War II. Under his banners, Hitler gathered a significant, if not most, part of the European countries for the war against the Soviet Union. Now, in the same way, including the EU together with NATO, they are assembling a modern coalition to fight, and by and large a "war" with the Russian Federation. We will look at all this carefully.

I'd call Lavrov's last paragraph significant. He also said, "The new project, which we agreed to actively work out in detail, is the North-South corridor and its part, passing through the territory of Russia, Azerbaijan and Iran." In relation to that, Lavrov indicated that one of the major agreements that will allow for the real work to commence on the NSITC will soon be accomplished:

"Particular attention was paid to the Caspian problem. Yesterday, at a meeting with the President and today during the talks, we focus on the need to fully implement the most important document – the Convention on the Legal Status of the Caspian Sea. There is a common understanding that the leaders of the five Caspian states during the meeting on June 29 this year in Ashgabat will confirm the importance of this document and the key principles contained in it."

It seems to me Russia will soon change its appreciation of the EU given its colonial nature and clear militarization at the behest of its Master, which IMO is the correct path to take as there's no longer any real distinction between NATO and EU.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 24 2022 19:15 utc | 84

karlof1@74
You are doing a marvellous job. Both you and b supply the world with the raw materials for reasoning.
What was once a tiny island of sanity in a world of propaganda is now growing into a base for truth telling, while the propaganda, like an evil smelling fog, slowly melts away into pools of sewage, like Congress or the Houses of Commons in Ottawa and Westminster.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 19:16 utc | 85

Exile #68

Guess Canada refused to allow those Siemens
soare parts to be shipped to the pipeline.

Dontcha know “we’re also a country of the rule of law and we need to make sure those laws are respected.” Justin Trudeau

Posted by: krypto | Jun 24 2022 19:27 utc | 86

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 24 2022 17:47 utc | 60

I hear that crystal balls, tarot cards, tea-leaves, entrails etc are also used. Even spilled liquids can be used for the for fortune telling apparently, any liquid can be used (except for milk obviously)

Uncertain with respect to milk but other spilled liquids are excellent prognosticators. For example 25,000 litres of blood (5,000 x 5 litres per person) forecasts a failed state in 404.

If your welfare depends on me
Run fast other way

Joe Tzu

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 24 2022 19:31 utc | 87

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 24 2022 16:05 utc | 29

I wish the Ukraine would join the EU now. Today.
The flow of migrants to the west, and the flow of subsidies to the east - I have great hopes.

Posted by: Passerby | Jun 24 2022 19:34 utc | 88

@ Passerby | Jun 24 2022 19:34 utc | 88

I very much agree. EU membership for 404 NOW! To use a hackneyed simile, it would be like tossing an anvil to Wile E. Coyote while he teeters on a slender branch over a precipice.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 19:36 utc | 89

Wise Words

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 16:47 utc | 46

They are extremely dangerous ignoramuses who could lead humanity to world war and annihilation because they do not understand what they are doing and they are intellectually and morally disconnected from the real world (this is very obvious top to bottom of many international bureaucracies like NATO, EU, OECD, partly UN, etc.). The emergence of this personnel also reflects the enormous increase in entropy, the extent of disorder and irrationalism in the world and particularly in the western capitalist-imperialist system.

When you are outa gas
You are outa gas

Joe Tzu

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 24 2022 19:40 utc | 90

When you are outa gas You are outa gas

Joe Tzu

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 24 2022 19:40 utc | 90

Out of gas? Who, me?
At my four o'clock dinner
Mashers and baked beans

--Jō Haiku

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 19:48 utc | 91

i can only praise Krich Li again, who outlined overall operation plan months ago, albeit was understandably non-exact about timetable and some particular sequences.

April 22: https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1099202
May 10: map №3 https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1106474
May 20: https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1110895

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 24 2022 19:54 utc | 92

Hypocrisy rules the world. Today’s BRIC Summit statement
“BRICS states reaffirmed its “respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all States, stress our commitment to the peaceful resolution of differences and disputes” and its “strong commitment to nuclear disarmament.”

I guess they mean “all states” except the ones Putin decides to dismember.

Comical the hypocrisy —but then the Russian Imperial emblem is a two faced eagle.

Posted by: Wobbli | Jun 24 2022 19:57 utc | 93

Thank you Karof1 for providing the Kremlin translation.

- - -

To continue perhaps for one last time on my previous indignation on the other thread; the official translation of Lavrov is slightly better compared to the previous one but the words "gather" and "coalition" are still problematic.

Hitler did not "gather" any parts of non-Russian Europe any more than it would make any sense saying Hitler "gathered" the parts/oblasts of the invaded Soviet Union (maybe that example makes the point come across?). This is equally true in western accounts and in Russian accounts, thus using it to describe the multitude of invasions and occupations and ongoing warfare during WWII is very wrong.

And can one have a "coalition" of currently essentially occupied states? Russia has been clear concerning their appraisal of current European leadership and their lack of national sovereignty. No, it is meaningless to say it is a "coalition".

I still hope the original in Russian is much less contentious.

According to one recent poll quoted by RT as little/much as one fifth of non-Russian Europeans actually support the idiocy against Russia, let's not burn those bridges.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 24 2022 20:02 utc | 94

@ Wobbli | Jun 24 2022 19:57 utc | 93

Myself, I believe that self-determination and popular will trump state territorial integrity. Crimea certainly made its feelings known via referendum. What was the independence referendum in Kosovo like?

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 24 2022 20:04 utc | 95

Mercouris on various Ukraine topics including an analysis of Russia's military industrial base capacity in relation to the US:

https://youtu.be/ZqXC22fRCBE

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 24 2022 20:08 utc | 96

Posted by: Wobbli | Jun 24 2022 19:57 utc | 93

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Nazis!!?

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 24 2022 20:17 utc | 97

Moscow makes it clear that Lithuania's actions are done at the behest of the Outlaw US Empire and the same can be said for Canada's "decision" not to allow the turbines to return to their owners, although that doesn't harm Russia. Patrushev is in Kaliningrad compiling data for a report that will be discussed over the weekend.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 24 2022 18:41 utc | 72

Your portrayal of the Seimens Canada turbine issue is a little one sided. Only one is in Canada for maintenance and it is only Russia's energy regulator that says some of the rest are unsuitable for use. So both teams are playing games.

The turbines were manufactured in Canada and need to be regularly sent back there for maintenance by Germany’s Siemens Energy AG. One of them was being overhauled in Montreal, but now it can’t be returned as Canadian sanctions imposed this month prohibit vital technical services from being exported to Russia’s fossil-fuel industry.

Other turbines are still in Russia, but not all of them are working, according to Gazprom. The energy giant cited orders from the state safety regulator to stop using equipment that’s due for its regular maintenance.

“We are talking to Germany, trying to find a pathway through which we can actually enable the flow of gas,” Wilkinson said. “There may be different options that we can look at.”

Russia is ready to supply the European Union, but turbines have to be returned after maintenance, the Kremlin said this week.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-21/canada-working-with-germany-on-options-to-restore-vital-gas-flow

Of course this harms Russia, since they will not be able to sell gas via NordStream this summer and fall.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 24 2022 20:17 utc | 98

malenkov@95
You are right. In "Ukraine" it is likely, as I suggested earlier (you appeared to disagree), that 80% or more of the population, given the proper conditions for a referendum, will vote to rejoin Russia.
And this is just the tip of an iceberg, millions of Russians, by language, ancestry and self definition live and are treated badly in former SSRSs which were turned into nation states in 1990-91. The treatment Russians received in the Donbas was modeled on the appalling conditions imposed on Russians in Latvia and other Baltic states where the howling for "Freedom" and "Democracy" turned quickly into rallies for SS men, the destruction of war memorials and Jim Crow style 'tests' at the polling booths.
Similar problems existed and exist yet, in Georgia, Moldava and in most of the former Soviet stans.
Thee is no doubt that this disgraceful treatment can be traced back to advisors from north America and emigres flown in by the preservers of Nazism in its purest forms.
The question that Russia will be asking, it is to be hoped, of those demanding freedom for Ukraine is whether they understand what freedom means to governments cheerfully disenfranchising and driving into exile people speaking Russian, often in regions-like Novorossiya- where most of the population is Russian and everyone speaks the language.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 24 2022 20:21 utc | 99

@ bevin 46
from defend democracy press
the overwhelming majority of today's Western political personnel are very uneducated and very inexperienced

I immediately think of Antony Blinken, US Secretary of State, a top position. I have read a lot of his anti-Russia bulletins, for months, all with the wording "unprovoked invasion" (which was of course picked up by the MSM).
I think he actually believes that. His refusal to respond at all to Russia's entreaties last winter were completely logical because it was done by the US. It was simple logic: If we do it, it's correct, and the other party is obviously wrong. . . .Hence "unprovoked invasion" repeated over and over.
This is a failure to put oneself in an opponent's shoes. Don't even try. It's not necessary because we're always right, don't you know.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 24 2022 20:24 utc | 100

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