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June 6, 2022
How Russia Can (And Will?) De-NATO-size Europe

In a video published yesterday Gonzalo Lire, currently under house arrest in Karkov, is asking a very interesting question:

What Happens To Europe When Russia Wins? (vid)

Lira states, and I agree with him, that Russia will win the war in the Ukraine, take the south and east to likely create a new country and leave the rest of the cadaver for Poland, Hungary, Romania, Lithuania and others to feast on.

But then what?

The U.S. controlled NATO will still be there. It is practically guaranteed that the U.S. will use it to push for revenge for the loss of Ukraine. This will be done by a steady buildup of troops and long range missile capabilities along Russia's Nordic and Baltic borders and additional naval threats in the northern Arctic as well as the southern Black Sea. Some ten years from now the U.S. would be able to again try to wage a big (proxy) war against Russia. Then with a decent chance to win.

No negotiations or peace agreements will prevent that. The U.S. is famously non-agreement-capable (недоговороспособны). It has broken ALL promises and agreements it has ever made with Russia.

Dozens of U.S. and European luminaries had promised to Russia that NATO would expand 'not one inch' towards Russia. Look where its borders are now. The U.S. and the EU have confiscated huge amounts of Russian state owned money. They have even taken, in contradiction to their own constitutions, the properties of private Russian citizens just because those persons happen to be Russian.

In 2014 Germany and France signed on to guarantee elections for a peaceful regime change in Kiev. A day later the fascists stormed the Ukrainian parliament and those guarantees turned out to be totally worthless. The U.S. simply said fuck the EU. It does not give shit about European interests. Germany and France later negotiated and signed the Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 agreements. They continued to feed billions of EU money into Ukraine even as the Ukrainian government, controlled by the U.S., did nothing to fulfill them. Yes, they were that stupid.

The U.S. has installed 'missile defense' systems in Poland and Romania which are in fact designed to lob Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles (IRBM) onto Moscow. These are a serious danger to Russia.

Even after Ukraine is finished, NATO and its EU proxies will continue to be a danger to Russia. Both have proven to be unable to keep promises. Russia in consequence will have to rearrange them.

Russia could do that by force. But there will be no march towards Riga, Warsaw, Berlin or Paris. (Remember that Russia has been there and done that which every time has led to major changes in Europe.)

Russia has announced its strategic aims. In December 2021 Russia set forth two agreements which the U.S. and NATO. They included demands for a future arrangement in Europe that would guarantee indivisible security for all. On January 21 2022 the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was to meet Secretary of State Anthony Blinken in Geneva to talk about Russia's proposals. Just minutes before that meeting the Foreign Ministry of Russia held a news conference to answer media questions:

Question: What will Russia’s demand that NATO return to the 1997 framework mean for Bulgaria and Romania? Will they have to leave NATO, remove US bases from their territory, or something else?

Answer: You mentioned one of the cornerstones of Russia’s initiatives. It was deliberately set forth with utmost clarity to avoid any ambiguity. We are talking about the withdrawal of foreign forces, equipment, and weapons, as well as taking other steps to return to the set-up we had in 1997 in non-NATO countries. This includes Bulgaria and Romania.

Reuters reported:

MOSCOW (Reuters) – The security guarantees that Russia seeks from the West include provisions requiring NATO forces to leave Romania and Bulgaria, the Russian foreign ministry said on Friday.

Moscow has demanded legally binding guarantees from NATO that the bloc will stop its expansion and return to its 1997 borders.

Replying to a question about what that would mean for Bulgaria and Romania, which joined NATO after 1997, the ministry said Russia wanted all foreign troops, weapons and other military hardware withdrawn from those countries.

After more than 20 years of watching Lavrov and Putin everyone should know that they do not publicly set out aims if they have no way to achieve them. They always have well thought out plans before announcing their goals.

So how can Russia actually achieve a retreat of NATO back to its 1997 borders?

Sanctions. The U.S. has used its economic and military powers to sanction this or that country that did not do as it was told to do by Washington. Unless enacted by the UN Security Council such sanctions have no basis in international law. Despite that the U.S. even used secondary sanctions. It threatened sanctions against Europe, and everyone else, as it ordered them to not deal with Iran or Venezuela.

Alan MacLeod @AlanRMacLeod – 22:45 UTC · Jun 5, 2022

The US is thinking about "allowing" Europe and Venezuela to trade together. Think about what this story tells us about global power relations and who is in charge.

Bloomberg @business – 12:13 UTC · Jun 5, 2022

The US could allow Eni and Repsol to ship Venezuelan oil to Europe as soon as July to make up for Russian crude, Reuters reported trib.al/fQ10QlX

Russia can do similar. But as it always follows international law, it will have to do it in a slightly different way.

Russia is a superpower in that it produces all kinds of raw materials the world, and especially the 'west', needs. Europe, and especially Germany, is depending on natural gas and oil from Russia. Energy prices in Germany will at least triple if it is completely cut off from Russian supplies.

German industry leader have loudly announced that they will have to close shop if the current European policies of restricting Russian energy supplies continues. The chemical giants BASF and Bayer will have to move to some other country. Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW will have to stop all production in Europe. Steel production would fall to zero. Lack of fertilizer would lead to dependency on foreign agriculture.

Mass unemployment would follow. Millions will be in the street to protest against rolling blackouts, freezing apartments and hyperinflation.

Russia can achieve this at any time. It simply has to stop supplying gas and oil to Europe.

Despite six European 'sanction packages' against Russia there has yet to be a reciprocal response from Russia. It may still hope that European leaders will recognized the deadly game the U.S. is playing with them.

Unfortunately the leaders of Europe are dumb and compromised. The 'olive green' German Minister for Economic Destruction Robert Habeck still dreams of bringing Russia's economy to its knees even as the ruble rises and Germany's economy is falling apart. Chancellor Olaf Scholz was never the brightest bulb in the room. He is deeply compromised through his involvement in the Wireguard scandal. He was the Minister of Finance when reports of the company's billion dollar fraud were suppressed by his ministry. And don't get me going about Ursula van der Leyen who has been proven to be corrupt and incompetent ever since she took her first public office. U.S. secret services will know of many other crimes these people have been involved in.

The current ideological leaders of Europe will have to be replaced by clean ones who follow the German tradition of Realpolitik:

Realpolitik (German: [ʁeˈaːlpoliˌtiːk]; from German real 'realistic, practical, actual', and Politik 'politics'), refers to enacting or engaging in diplomatic or political policies based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than strictly binding itself to explicit ideological notions or moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism. It is often simply referred to as "pragmatism" in politics, e.g. "pursuing pragmatic policies" or "realistic policies".

Only with new and decent leaders will Europe come to its senses.

Russia can help to achieve that while at the same time solving its NATO problem.

It can publicly declare that:

THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER RUSSIAN SUPPLIES OF ANY KIND TO EUROPE UNTIL IT BREAKS WITH WASHINGTON.

What would follow?

Millions of discussions under candlelight would be held in freezing and hungry European households. Political opinions would change. Governments would be replaced with more pragmatic ones.

France and Germany would either have to leave NATO or become impoverished and irrelevant. U.S. troops on European grounds would be asked to leave or be attacked and thrown out by an enraged public. Germany would prohibit the U.S. military from using its airspace. The U.S would lose its grip over the continent.

That can't happen? Well, Gonzalo Lira disagrees and so do I. In early February, before the Russian intervention in Ukraine, I had warned of the consequences of current 'western' policies:

The U.S. strategy to 'fix' Russia in Europe by imposing 'crushing sanctions' on it to then attack China is failing. That is because it was completely misconceived.

Russia is the most autarkic country in the world. It produces nearly everything it needs and has highly desirable products that are in global demand and are especially needed in Europe. Russia also has huge financial reserves. A sanctions strategy against Russia can not work.

The consequences for Europe were obvious:

The U.S. and its proxies in the EU and elsewhere have put up very harsh sanctions on Russia to damage its economy.

The final intent of this economic war is regime change in Russia.

The likely consequence will be regime change in many other countries.

All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power – gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc – the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant.

[Russia and China] have spent more brain time on the issue than the U.S. has.

The Europeans should have acknowledged that instead of helping the U.S. to keep up its self-image of a unipolar power.

It will take some time for the new economic realities to settle in. They will likely change the current view of Europe's real strategic interests. 

Europe is fortunate in that Russia, even before re-entering the Ukraine, has offered a very decent alternative to U.S. hegemony in Europe:

A man who has Putin's ear, Professor Sergey Karaganov who is the honorary chairman of Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, has written an op-ed that points to an alternative.

The piece was requested by and supposed to be published in the Financial Times, which means that it is directed at the European leadership. But the FT has now rejected it for unstated reasons. It was then published in the Russia in Global Affairs journal and has now been re-published by RT.

[Karaganov] states:

The security system in Europe, built largely by the West after the 1990s, without a peace treaty having been signed after the end of the previous Cold War, is dangerously unsustainable.

There are a few ways to solve the narrow Ukrainian problem, such as its return to permanent neutrality, or legal guarantees from several key NATO countries not to ever vote for further expansion of the bloc. Diplomats, I assume, have a few others up their sleeves. We do not want to humiliate Brussels by insisting on repudiating its erroneous plea for the open-ended expansion of NATO. We all know the end of the Versailles humiliation. And, of course, the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

But the task is wider: to build a viable system on the ruins of the present. And without resorting to arms, of course. Probably in the wider Greater Eurasian framework. Russia needs a safe and friendly Western flank in the competition of the future. Europe without Russia or even against it has been rapidly losing its international clout. That was predicted by many people in the 1990s, when Russia offered to integrate with, not in, the continent’s systems. We are too big and proud to be absorbed. Our pitch was rejected then, but there is always a chance it won’t be this time.

That last paragraph is the gist of Russia's real strategic aims. They require to destroy the current system of U.S. hegemony over Europe. Europe will have to be de-NATO-sized. Regime changes in European countries will probably be necessary to see to that.

Russia's leaders now have a once in a century chance to achieve those aims. They will be condemned by their compatriots if the refrain from doing so. The U.S. has no way to prevent or counter a Russian sales boycott and its consequences.

When will European politicians, or those behind them, finally wake up to those facts?

Update (11:45 UTC):

A soundbite from a press conference Lavrov is currently holding:

Russian Embassy, UK @RussianEmbassy – 11:41 UTC · Jun 6, 2022

FM #Lavrov: To all appearances, no one is going to even reform #NATO. They are going to turn this “defensive alliance” into a global alliance claiming global military dominance. This is a dangerous path that is definitely doomed to failure.

Comments

What next?
First, the stated goals for Ukraine must be achieved: Demilitarized, de-nationalized and the threat of further armament by the USA or NATO forever removed from realization. The current government must be replaced by a government friendly to Russia that will agree to not join NATO, the EU and will not seek to regain control of Crimea, the liberated Donbass area oblasts and any new oblasts or areas of Ukraine that are yet to get independence or that will accede to Russian statehood.
What comes after?
It depends, and maybe even Russian leadership is keeping it fluid based on how the situation unfolds with NATO, the USA and sanctions. NATO/USA Missiles aimed at Russia by bordering countries will be removed. However, this will involve NATO and the USA and this will be war, a hot hostile conflict that is wholly unpredictable. The USA will attack Russia directly if NATO countries are involved. It will do so because it lusts for war and will have the self-perceived legal right to do so. USA wants war, so if that is understood, then how Russia proceeds has to be viewed through that lens.

Posted by: Sundance | Jun 6 2022 21:41 utc | 201

Russia has to destroy the american”s ability to fund its war machine. 1) attack the petrodollar and the hegemony sustained by the dollar’s use around the world. 2) knock america off its moral high horse. 3) establish an economic and cultural system that, at least, competes with the global system the americans and the west have already established.
The Russians and Chinese have already been doing some of this. But, I would suggest more. Persuade OPEC to sell oil and gas for rubles. When Biden goes begging Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, et al, for products, they should stipulate it’s all for sale in rubles. And everyone else should do the same when Biden calls.
The belt and road initiative is dangerous to the americans because it does challenge american economic dominance. China has to defend and establish this effort despite american resistance. Pepsi can’t just shoot up Coke transport trucks and expect the world to not take sides.
Remind the world what kind of place america is. Its success is based on genocide and slavery. Since its founding it has been the world-wide theoretical, financial, and military center of white supremacy and nazification. Its continuing prosperity has depended on this dominance. Consider why anyone marches on Moscow. They think it’s the next new world. It has treasure. They think Russians are weak. And they think whatever Russians have belongs to the west. (for west read the french, germans, and now americans.)
The Russians cannot depend on treaties with the west so long as the west thinks they can get Russian treasures for nothing. Our white father in Washington will always speak with forked tongue.

Posted by: steven andresen | Jun 6 2022 21:44 utc | 202

@darren price | Jun 6 2022 21:27 utc | 199
This is getting more and more interesting. Someone really does not appreciate Gonzalo’s truths. This kind of slander is irrelevant. If you disagree with his analyses, provide counter-arguments or simply ignore his contributions.
I for one value his analyses, including the one that is posted in this thread. What happens to Europe after Russia wins is indeed an important question and judging from the many comments, most people agree.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2022 21:44 utc | 203

If spent reactor fuel rods cannot be used to make a pukka Atomic Bomb, they can certainly be used to make a DIRTY BOMB.

Posted by: Hassan Sabbah | Jun 6 2022 21:46 utc | 204

About heating and other energy consuming activities. Natural gas has many direct uses, like heating, making fertilizers and plastics, and it provides 40% of electricity in USA. It used to be unprofitable byproduct of extracting oil from the ground: as someone with experience is fracking industry explained me ca. 10 years ago, fracking is not profitable on the basis of natural was, only with oil it can give profit. That was 10 years ago, and perhaps a year ago.
Compared with prices one year ago, commodity exchange price of natural gas in USA tripled. It does not immediately reflect on electricity prices because of (a) long term contracts (b) regulations, price changes undergo a review process.
Domestic demand in USA is inflexible, theoretically one could switch from gas to coal or oil, but the first is limited, the second is not feasible: perhaps because of profitability of this switch in Europe, the refining capacity for making heavy fuels, jet fuel, diesel, heating oil, bunker oil (all probably almost equivalent for a refinery) got maxed. Export demand is increasing because Europe strives for “independence”. So natural gas price in USA shot up from 3, for a month it zigzagged between 8 and 9 and Monday trading ended with 9.30. Perhaps a good moment to bet on price decrease, given the aforementioned zigzagging, but “don’t do it at home”.
The inflation will stay for a while, with assorted consequences. In USA, It will cause GOP taking “both houses” in the Fall, and given “bipartisan agreement” covering “important issues like war”, no happy consequences for Russia, but perhaps an end of the access to abortion for most if not all Americans. In a short run, political stasis is assured in most of the West, discontent channeled into elections that do not change anything “important”.
The biggest cipher for me is Germany. The trade surplus is almost gone, and may vanish this year. Germany and “northern EU” is obliged to subsidize ungrateful loudmouths in Baltics, Poland and Ukraine, increase defense spending a lot, invest in “sustainable non-carbon non-nuclear economy”, AND balance the budget within 3% straightjacket. And Germany should not be so easy to intimidate like, say, Bulgaria or Slovakia. Industrialists are aware of the problem, and the country is ostensibly capitalist. But at some point it became a theocracy — sacrifices are needed on the altars of “EU solidarity”, “NATO solidarity”, “Sustainable development” (or whatever Green theologians require), and if the outcomes are not pretty, this only means that Germans sinned and/or sacrificed too little and too grumpily.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 6 2022 21:54 utc | 205

Maria Zakharova – 05.06.2022
Borrell: “Russia is directly responsible for any shortfalls in the international grain trade, and instead of stopping its aggression, it is actively seeking to shift the responsibility to international sanctions”
Mr. Borrell, do you need grain? Come, buy and collect.
What’s stopping you? The only thing that does not allow you to do this is the lack of conscience.
Maria Zakharova – 06.06.2022
Despite record inflation rates, primarily in the energy sector, Biden, at least in public, does not lose optimism.
On Friday, he delivered a policy statement on the success of his own economic policy, based on indicators in the labour market.
Whether this sounds convincing is hard to say because gas prices are still going up and the cash handed out by the previous administration during covid is not getting any smaller. The last time such inflation rates were observed in the US was only during the global financial and economic crisis caused by the collapse of the US real estate market in 2007-2008, while the figures themselves (8.6%) soared to a forty-year high.
The oil embargo on Russia, the largest producer of energy resources, only aggravates the situation. The US has no way out. There have been leaks in a number of media outlets that the US is actually pushing its hydrocarbon giants, including Chevron, to cooperate with Venezuela (hello Guaidó) by promising protection from sanctions. Somehow, all the promises of the “green transition” and the “spirit of Glasgow” have been completely forgotten, and American emissaries are urgently looking for hydrocarbons – oil and gas – all over the globe: first of all for themselves, and secondly – for the Europeans whom they dragged into this sanctions hole. The countries of Latin America, which at first rejoiced at the sharp demand (purchases for American refineries are also breaking records – 1.34 million barrels), are already at their limit, and selling even more is only to the detriment of their own interests in the fuel and energy complex. Even such close US allies as Colombia will not agree to this.
And what about the sanctions? Every day more and more articles appear in the Western press about how economic strategists in Washington, London and Brussels miscalculated. The Swedish Dagbladet and even the British Guardian write about how useless the sanctions were. They cause damage to those who introduced them – the rise in price of everything in the EU.
A shattered economy, a shaken rating of the authorities, dubious electoral prospects. “Didn’t you dream all this would be in Russia?” They miscalculated and got the boomerang on the sore spot.
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(machine translation, and a bit corrected)

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2022 21:57 utc | 206

@ Piotr Berman | Jun 6 2022 21:54 utc | 205

as someone with experience is fracking industry explained me ca. 10 years ago, fracking is not profitable on the basis of natural was, only with oil it can give profit. That was 10 years ago, and perhaps a year ago.

Which is why a lot of the fracking operations simply burn off the gas. Driving down the country roads near where I live, you can see the flames from miles away, even in broad daylight.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 6 2022 22:04 utc | 207

b – So how can Russia actually achieve a retreat of NATO back to its 1997 borders?
In my opinion, it is necessary to think and act like NATO.
It seems clear to me that, for the US & UK, only the “law of the strongest” applies and certainly not the principles and the Treaties.
So Russia must demonstrate that it has something important in hand to “trade” with the relegation of NATO.
My strategy by sofa leads me to think that it should try to recreate, in reverse parts, the same situation as 1962.
Cuba and Nicaragua (and Venezuela) could be useful for the purpose …
They are “friendly” countries, they do not condemn “aggression” against Ukraine, they abstained from the UN; especially Cuba has long-standing historical ties with Russia, recently Russia has also postponed the payment of a debt to 2027… ..
Why doesn’t Russia set up some military bases in these countries and fill them with missiles? Obviously available to close them in exchange for a similar NATO action
Perhaps now it is late, perhaps they have tried in vain, perhaps they do not want to put “friendly” peoples at risk …….
But these countries should understand that, without Russian protection, they would be wiped out in an instant…. so they have to take risks.
Instead of doing interviews and lectures, Lavrov should tour Central America giving away some oil and wheat……

Posted by: FZappa | Jun 6 2022 22:08 utc | 208

While I’ve personally never learned anything particularly insightful or new from Gonzalo Lira, he doesn’t really bother me because I don’t have to watch his clickbait videos if I don’t want to. He’s just a would-be ‘influencer’ in the new world of social media and the Internet, looking to establish a ‘following’ and then monetize it. He was previously doing this in the “seduction” space, allegedly teaching under-confident men how to “pick up” women and such.
I will agree with some others that there’s something quite fishy about his current story and situation, but I’m not able to extend that into some crazy conspiracy about him being compromised by the Pentagon. What purpose would that serve? He’s usually just generically observing what he sees going on and it mostly comports with reality as some of us also observe it – – – Unless I’ve missed something b/c I don’t watch his videos anymore. In order to accuse someone of being compromised, I need more than just one element of their back story that a little weird. Has he said anything absolutely false and if so, what?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2022 22:09 utc | 209

Th Eternal Whingers are frustrated at being thwarted: Trump 2016, Nick Sandmann, Kyle Rittenhouse, Elon Musk, Covid, Ukraine….
Being a neurotic bunch, to say the least, they’ll pull some new stunt in an effort to get their way. An NBC attack in America?

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 6 2022 22:13 utc | 210

Africans have a hard life: the heat, poverty, the disease, wild animals, corrupt rulers…. In spite of all that, as a rule they’re still a remarkably good-natured people. But even in Africa White people occupy the best neighborhoods and jobs:
http://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/2022/06/the-black-mans-burden.html

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 6 2022 22:20 utc | 211

You know what is the problem with your thinking b?
Sure, at some point people in EU will rage. And vote.
I look at my options in my country and they are the same coin over and over again. What you suggest requires new leaders. Are they available in Germany? Know any of them?
I look at my options and the only non-West candidates I can see are the monolithic Communists. Scylla and Charybdis. We need new blood.
And the problem with new blood? Are you interested to run for office b? I would vote for you if I was German. What are your chances b? It is the same mess all over. What we will get it would simply be a kick in the can again, even if we get a revolution.

Posted by: Erlindur | Jun 6 2022 22:20 utc | 212

Thanks to juliania from the previous page. Again, that thanks was offered for my posting Crooke’s SC essay toward the bottom of this thread at the Saker’s.
I’ve come across another writer that’s composed a good two-part series dealing with the crises’s background in the first and then his prognostications of what would come, the second was published on 31 January 2022. The second IMO isn’t as important as the first, although IMO it still shouldn’t be ignored as it contains good info. The author’s POV is different than most we read. Many will find the current essay posted at the site’s home page erudite and a bit humorous.
Yes, lots to read today!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 22:21 utc | 213

wahtd @ 196
Yes. Others have made good observations as well. Observations are way better than unfocussed anger.
The kitchen where Lira makes videos is hardly anonymous. There would be contractors, cabinet suppliers, designers, realtors, service people of every description, and guests who know exactly where that kitchen is. At least a hundred people could spot that kitchen definitively in an instant. Lira does not seem to care about that risk. He is smart enough to be aware of the risk.
Maybe residents of Kharkov have more pressing business at the moment. Maybe he has formal protection from SBU at the moment. The possibility of an unhinged nationalist informally visiting him should be real enough. If he were in Belgorod or Rostov or Minsk someone should be making fun of him by now.
This is speculation. Yes, he is a con artist. Con artists are generally good analysts. b thinks the analysis good enough to cite. Good enough for me.
In earlier videos Lira walked the streets of Kharkov and had readily identifiable landmarks in view. Only landmark now is that kitchen.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 6 2022 22:35 utc | 214

@ Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 20:02 utc | 175
that’s fine peter! the more viewpoints, the better, especially ones that have merit and relevance. in this regard i appreciate lira.. i just don’t like watching videos and prefer transcriptions and the written word myself, but i am a bit odd in this regard…. as for the backstory – something doesn’t add up, but i will take a relevant viewpoint regardless of that..
i am going to try to copy and past the alastair crooke article here that karlof1 linked to.. wish me luck.. it is worth it for others to read it…

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 22:37 utc | 215

@ Lurk 181

The EU was created in 1993, only a little further away from here — in Maastricht. The original 1952 creature was called the European Coal and Steel Community and did not resemble the current Frankenstein monster in any way. For starters, it did not include an European parliament or president

Article on how Eurolandia diverged from the original post WW2 full employment design of Europe. The neoliberal makeover used the critical transition to the euro to de-democratize the EU and usher in the era of high structural unemployment, permeant austerity, and the impossibility of fiscal policy to rectify economic and social problems.
Yes, I know it’s the Guardian but sometimes they let things through, probably to maintain a modicum of cred, plus its from 10 years ago, they were only 90% of the way to rock bottom.
Robert Mundell, Evil Genius of the Euro
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/26/robert-mundell-evil-genius-euro

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2022 22:38 utc | 216

part 1
The First World War signalled the end to a mercantilist order that had evolved under the aegis of European powers. One hundred years later, a very different economic order was in place (neoliberal cosmopolitanism). Believed by its architects to be universal and everlasting, globalisation transfixed the world for an extended moment, but then started the subsidence from its zenith – precisely at the moment the West was giving vent to its triumphalism at the fall of the Berlin Wall. NATO – as the order’s regulatory system – addressed its attendant ‘identity crisis’ by pushing for eastward expansion toward Russia’s western borders, disregarding the guarantees it had given, and Moscow’s virulent objections.
This radical alienation of Russia triggered its pivot to China. Europe and the U.S. however, declined to consider issues of due ‘balance’ within global structures, and simply glossed over the realities of a world order in momentous metamorphosis: with the steady decline of the U.S. already apparent; with a European faux ‘unity’ that masked its own inherent imbalances; and in the context of a hyper-financialised economic structure which lethally sucked out the juice from the real economy.
The present war in Ukraine therefore simply is an adjunct – the accelerant to this existing process of ‘liberal order’ decomposition. It is not its centre. Fundamentally geo-strategic in their origin, the explosive dynamics to today’s disintegration can be seen as blowback from the mismatch from diverse peoples’ looking now to solutions tailored to suit their non-western civilisations, and from the western insistence on its ‘one size fits all’ Order. Ukraine thus is a symptom, but is not per se, the deeper disorder itself.
Tom Luongo has remarked – in connection with the ‘messy’, confusing events of today – that that which he fears most, is so many people analysing the intersection of geopolitics, markets and ideology, and doing so with such striking complacency. “There is a stunning amount of normalcy bias in the punditocracy, too much ‘cooler heads will prevail’ and not enough ‘everyone’s got a plan until they’re punched in the mouth’”.
What Luongo’s retort doesn’t fully explain is the shrillness, the outrage, with which any doubting of the accredited ‘punditocracy’ of the moment is met. Plainly, there is a deeper fear stalking the lower depths of western psyche that is not being made fully explicit.
Wolfgang Münchau, formerly at the Financial Times, now authoring EuroIntelligence, describes how such a canonised Zeitgeist implicitly has imprisoned Europe in a cage of adverse dynamics which threaten its economy, its autonomy, its globalism and its being.
Münchau relates how both the pandemic and Ukraine had taught him that it was one thing to proclaim an interconnected globalism ‘as cliché’, but “It is quite another to observe what actually happens on the ground when those connections get torn apart … Western sanctions were based on a formally correct, but misleading premise – one that I believed myself – at least up to a point: That Russia is more dependent on us than we are on Russia … Russia however is a provider of primary and secondary commodities, on which the world has become dependent. But when the largest exporter of those commodities disappears, the rest of the world experiences physical shortages and rising prices”. He continues:
“Did we think this through? Did the foreign ministries that drew up the sanctions discuss at any point what we would do if Russia were to blockade the Black Sea and not allow Ukrainian wheat to leave the ports?… Or, did we think we can adequately address a global starvation crisis by pointing the finger at Putin”?
“The lockdown taught us a lot about our vulnerability to supply chain shocks. It has reminded Europeans that there have only two routes to ship goods en masse to Asia and back: either by container, or by rail through Russia. We had no plan for a pandemic, no plan for a war, and no plan for when both are happening at the same time. The containers are stuck in Shanghai. The railways closed because of the war …
“I am not sure the west is ready to confront the consequences of its actions: persistent inflation, reduced industrial output, lower growth, and higher unemployment. To me, economic sanctions look like the last hurrah of a dysfunctional concept known as The West. The Ukraine war is a catalyst of massive de-globalisation”.
Münchau’s response is that unless we cut a deal with Putin, with the removal of sanctions as a component, he sees “a danger of the world becoming subject to two trading blocs: the west and the rest. Supply chains will be reorganised to stay within them. Russia’s energy, wheat, metals, and rare earths will still be consumed, but not here – We [just] keep with the Big Macs”.

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 22:38 utc | 217

part 2
So again, ‘one’ searches for an answer: Why are the Euro-élites so shrill, so passionate in their support for Ukraine? And risk heart-attack from the sheer vehemence of their hatred for Putin? After all, most Europeans and Americans until this year knew next-to-nought about Ukraine.
We know the answer: the deeper fear is that all the landmarks to liberal life – for reasons they do not understand – are about to be forever swept away. And that Putin is doing it. How will ‘we’ navigate life, bereft of landmarks? What will become of us? We thought the liberal way-of-being was ineluctable. Another value-system? Impossible!
So, for Europeans, the endgame in Ukraine crucially must reaffirm European self-identity (even at the cost of its citizens’ economic well-being). Such wars historically, mostly have ended with a dirty diplomatic settlement. That ‘end’ probably would be enough for the EU leadership to spin a ‘win’.
And there was a big EU diplomatic drive to persuade Putin to do a deal, only last week.
But (paraphrasing and elaborating Münchau), it is one thing to proclaim the desirability of a negotiated ceasefire ‘as cliché’. “It is quite another to observe what actually happens on the ground when blood is being spilled to put facts on the ground …”.
Western diplomatic initiatives are premised on Russia needing a ‘way out’, more than does Europe need one. But is that true?
Paraphrasing Münchau again: “Did we think this through? Did the foreign ministries that drew up the plans to train and arm a Ukrainian insurgency in Donbas in the hope of weakening Russia – discuss at any point what effect their war and their expressed contempt for Russia might have on Russian public opinion? Or what ‘we’ would do if Russia simply opted instead to put facts on the ground until it finished its project … Or did we even address the possibility of Kiev losing, and what that would mean for a Europe loaded to the gills with sanctions that then would never end?”.
The hope for a negotiated settlement has given way to a more sombre mood in Europe. Putin was uncompromising in the talks with European leaders. The realisation is dawning in Paris and Berlin that a fudged settlement is not something that benefits Putin, nor is one that he can afford. The Russian public mood will not easily accept that its soldiers’ blood was spent in some vain exercise, ending in a ‘dirty’ compromise – only to have the West resuscitate a new Ukraine insurgency against the Donbas again, in a year or two.
The EU leaders must be sensing their predicament: They may have ‘missed the boat’ for getting a political ‘fix’. But they have not ‘missed the boat’ in respect to inflation, economic contraction, and of social crisis at home. These ships are heading in their direction, at full steam. Did the EU foreign ministries reflect on this eventuality, or were they carried along by euphoria and the credentialed narrative issuing out from the Baltics and Poland of ‘Bad Man Putin’?
Here is the point: The fixation with Ukraine essentially is but a gloss pasted over the realities of a global order in decomposition. The latter is the source of the wider disorder. Ukraine is but one small piece on the chess board, and its outcome will not fundamentally change that ‘reality’. Even a ‘win’ in Ukraine would not grant ‘immortality’ to the neoliberal rules-based order.
The noxious fumes emanating from the global financial system are wholly unconnected to Ukraine – but are that much more significant for they go to the heart of the ‘disorder’ within the western ‘liberal order’. Perhaps it is this primordial unspoken fear that accounts for the shrillness and rancour directed at any deviation from sanctioned Ukraine messaging?
And Luongo’s normalcy bias in discourse is never more in evidence (Ukraine aside), than when addressing the strange self-selectivity of Anglo-American thinking about their neoliberal economic order.
The Anglo-American system of politics and economics, James Fallows a former White House speechwriter has noted, like any system, rests on certain principles and beliefs. “But rather than acting as if these are the best principles, or the ones their societies prefer, Britons and Americans often act as if these were the only possible principles: And that no one, except in error, could choose any others. Political economics becomes an essentially religious question, subject to the standard drawback of any religion—the failure to understand why people outside the faith might act as they do”.

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 22:38 utc | 218

part 3
How the World Works
James Fallows
Americans persist in thinking that Adam Smith’s rules for free trade are the only legitimate ones. But today’s f…
“To make this more specific: Today’s Anglo-American world view rests on the shoulders of three men. One is Isaac Newton, the father of modern science. One is Jean-Jacques Rousseau, the father of liberal political theory. (If we want to keep this purely Anglo-American, John Locke can serve in his place.) And one is Adam Smith, the father of laissez-faire economics.
“From these founding titans come the principles by which advanced society, in the Anglo-American view, is supposed to work … And it is supposed to recognize that the most prosperous future for the greatest number of people comes from the free workings of the market.
“In the non-Anglophone world, Adam Smith is merely one of several theorists who had important ideas about organizing economies. The Enlightenment philosophers however were not the only ones to think about how the world should be organized. During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries the Germans were also active—to say nothing of the theorists at work in Tokugawa Japan, late imperial China, czarist Russia, and elsewhere.
“The Germans deserve emphasis—more than the Japanese, the Chinese, the Russians, and so on because many of their philosophies endure. These did not take root in England or America, but they were carefully studied, adapted, and applied in parts of Europe and Asia, notably Japan. In place of Rousseau and Locke the Germans offered Hegel. In place of Adam Smith… they had Friedrich List.”
The Anglo-American approach is founded on the hypothesis of the sheer unpredictability and unplannability of economics. Technologies change; tastes change; political and human circumstances change. And because life is so fluid, this means that any attempts at central planning are virtually doomed to fail. The best way to “plan” therefore, is to leave the adaptation to the people who have their own money at stake. If each individual does what is best for him or her, the result will be – serendipitously – what is best for the nation as a whole.
Although List did not use this term, the German school was sceptical about serendipity, and more concerned with ‘market failures’. These are the cases in which normal market forces produce a clearly undesirable result. List argued that societies did not automatically move from farming to small crafts to major industries just because millions of small merchants were making decisions for themselves. If every person put his money where the return was greatest, the money might not automatically go where it would do the nation the most good.
For it to do so required a plan, a push, an exercise of central power. List drew heavily on the history of his times—in which the British government deliberately encouraged British manufacturing and the fledgling American government deliberately discouraged foreign competitors.
The Anglo-American approach assumes that the ultimate measure of a society is its level of consumption. In the long run, List argued, a society’s well-being and its overall wealth are determined not by what the society can buy, but by what it can make (i.e. value coming from the real, self-sufficient economy). The German school argued that emphasizing consumption would eventually be self-defeating. It would bias the system away from wealth creation, and ultimately make it impossible to consume as much, or to employ so many.
List was prescient. He was right. This is the flaw now so clearly exposed in the Anglo model. One aggravated by subsequent massive financialisation that has led to a structure dominated by an ephemeral, derivative super-sphere that drained the West of its wealth-creating real economy, couriering its remains and its supply-lines ‘offshore’. Self-reliance has eroded, and the shrinking base of wealth creation supports an ever-smaller proportion of the population in adequately paid employment.
It is no longer ‘fit for purpose’ and is in crisis. That is widely understood at the upper reaches of the system. To acknowledge this however, would seem to go against the past two centuries of economics, narrated as one long progression toward Anglo-Saxon rationality and good sense. It lies at the root of the Anglo ‘story’.
Yet, financial crisis might upend that story entirely.
How so? Well, the liberal order rests on three pillars – on three interlocking, co-constituting pillars: Newton’s ‘laws’ were projected to lend the Anglo economic model its (dubious) claim to being founded in hard empirical laws – as if it were physics. Rousseau, Locke, and their followers elevated individualism as a political principle, and from Smith came the logic-core to the Anglo-American system: If each individual does what is best for him or her, the result will be what is best for the nation as a whole.
The most important thing about these pillars is their moral equivalence, as well as their interlocking connection. Knock out one pillar as invalid, and the whole edifice known as ‘European values’ comes adrift. Only through being locked together does it possess coherency.
And the unspoken fear amongst these western élites is that during this extended period of Anglo supremacy… there has always been an alternative school of thought to theirs. List was not concerned with the morality of consumption. Instead, he was interested in both strategic and material well-being. In strategic terms, nations ended up being dependent or sovereign according to their ability to make things for themselves.
And last week Putin told Scholtz and Macron that the crises (including food shortages) that they faced, stemmed from their own erroneous economic structures and policies. Putin might have quoted List’s amorphism:
The tree which bears the fruit is of greater value than the fruit itself… The prosperity of a nation is not… greater in the proportion in which it has amassed more wealth (i.e., values of exchange), but in the proportion in which it has more developed its powers of production.
Messrs Scholtz and Macron probably did not like the message one bit. They can see the pivot being yanked out from western neoliberal hegemony.

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 22:39 utc | 219

that was from strategic culture article by alastair crooke.. here are some of the links from the article
How the World Works By James Fallows
The Big Questions We Should All Be Asking Geopolitically by tom loungo
The West and the rest by Wolfgang Münchau

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 22:43 utc | 220

Robert Mundell, Evil Genius of the Euro
^ and it may be the Guardian but the article is by Greg Palast, the last of the righteous, muckraking, old school journalists.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2022 22:38 utc | 216

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 6 2022 22:44 utc | 221

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 14:08 utc | 47
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Your view (RU taking the whole of Ukraine) is imminently logical and a likely outcome, IMO, surprising many of the same people who thought Russian military action unlikely in February. A rump-state would inevitably become a US/NATO garrison with little added buffer, an intolerable failure for Russia. Resistance to it by armchair strategists may stem from a question of legality, but trashed treaties, theft, illegal sanctions, and aggressive weaponization of Ukraine this year alone would, ISTM, justify RU defensive military action well beyond the Donbass and Black Sea coast. Russia will do what it must to achieve its goals and your scenario is the most compelling IMO.
Take a break but dont stay away long. Most of us (Putin and Lavrov too) will miss your posts.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 6 2022 22:48 utc | 222

You’re making the assumption that in 10 years the US will still be capable of attacking Russia. Given the steep decline of the US even today I doubt that will be the case.

Posted by: TJ | Jun 6 2022 22:50 utc | 223

Thank you both.
… what is the agenda of those behind the curtain?
Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 6 2022 20:05 utc | 176

Even taken at face value (and optimistically), the US-allied position is extreme brinksmanship with a view to knocking the RF-allied bloc down a profitable peg or two. I think almost all E.U. leaders have convinced themselves that this is the game they are in.
I know we both suspect that US intentions in this conflict are much more extreme that that. That the crippling of the E.U. economies is an obvious US goal and that a Europe-limited nuke or two would diminish the E.U. for decades and be privately regarded as a good thing by US hawks.
There is absolutely an odour of clandestine nuclear weapons research about Ukraine and the now-proven suspicions of bioweapons research gives an evidenced-backed view into what’s really going on behind the curtain. They are no-fooling snuff fiends.
Crash, famine and reset to distract from our looted-out economies might be the least of our worries. I think it likely that there is a US/NATO faction that wants to escalate to nuclear war … all-or-nothing, the ultimate Martingale Strategy.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 6 2022 20:07 utc | 178
The problem in the west is that the people we would most like to get rid of in a crash/reset are the ones most associated with engineering the western end of it – they clearly see it as something they will benefit from.
I do hope they slip and fall under their own bus!

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 22:53 utc | 224

The best part of every Gonzalo Lira vid is the amount of panties that get all twisted out of shape trying to strangle the messenger…..
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 6 2022 17:25 utc | 115
If Lira’s head wasn’t in the “panties” as you so eloquently put it maybe he would be more credible.
Cheers

Posted by: K | Jun 6 2022 22:56 utc | 225

@FZappa | Jun 6 2022 21:29 utc | 200

In this scenario, a key player is missing: China
USA is China’s top customer ($ 576 billion export 2021 – 17.1% total – 180 imports)
EU27 is China’s second customer (exports € 382 billion – 15.4% total – import 202)
With the EU destroyed by skyrocketing energy prices, with the US and the EU in deep recession, who buys China’s products?
If China sells less, it also buys less from Russia, which is not already selling to the EU; who does Russia sell to?

China can always sell to the other “customers” in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, which make over 2 thirds of her exports. Moreover, exports to US and EU won’t go down to zero, even in case of a severe economic crisis there.
Additioanlly, China is pursueing the concepts of dual circulation, and common prosperity. She is not interested in further bleeding the products of Chinese workers for worthless dollars.
And China is not suicidal, and won’t ally with the genocidal and rapacious US.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 6 2022 22:58 utc | 226

Europe will never give up its collonial ambitions. USA is just a shadow of imerialist Europe. It has been in their deep culture, history for hundreds of years, to eradicate it from the peoples mind, it needs 2 centuries more. So the assumption of “ Europe is in the grasp of US that is why they can’t do the right thing is a dissillusion. It is Europe itself and its so renowed philosophy that makes all this BS. West is loosing its supremacy and they can’t stand it. It is that simple. Maybe they would prefer annihilated instead of living in a world dominated by Asia.

Posted by: Krizantem | Jun 6 2022 23:03 utc | 227

Thanks james! I see the newest Orlov essay has yet to be linked. Here it is, “How blaming Putin is helping Putin”, and I must admit he makes a strong argument that contains some humorous notes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 23:06 utc | 228

@Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:17 utc | 112
That “demon” must be the same of whom Kadyrov talks as “shaitan-s…
He, Kadyrov, differentiates always in his descriptions, between “Bandera, nazis and shaitans”

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Jun 6 2022 23:17 utc | 229

karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 16:33 utc | 95
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Completely agree.
“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will”. Frederick Douglass

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 6 2022 23:19 utc | 230

In 2018 the UK House of Lords produced an interesting report titled “UK foreign policy in a shifting world order”.
This report is a good summary of trends within British Establishment thinking, particularly in regards Russia. From the perspective of enforcing the “rules based international order” globally.
They say that
“Russia is a declining power that is increasingly willing and able to use both traditional and new capabilities—such as cyber capabilities— to act as a disrupter in international relations. It is no longer a role model for idealist focus as it was during the Soviet era. We commend the Government for successfully co-ordinating a strong international response to the chemical weapons attack in Salisbury. The UK should continue to work closely with its allies to counter Russian disinformation campaigns and deter its hybrid warfare tactics.”
It’s nice that the Lords make the same point I made myself here in another thread. This is exactly the weakness of the RF. Putin, the anti-communist, is an enigma. Who is going to join the United Russia party in the EU?
The animus towards Russia and Putin from sectors of the British Establishment seeps from the text. But there is a worthwhile discussion from the Select Committee on International Relations between the Lords, and Sir Andrew Wood – representing the hawkish wing – and Sir Tony Brenton – as the sceptical realist, on a range of matters. Both were Ambassadors to Russia at various times. The transcript from the select committee is worth reading in full.
Taken as axiomatic is the conviction that the Russian state is weak, that Putin is weak, and that there is no logical succession to Putinism. Very often the puny nominal GDP of Russia is highlighted. Russia is pathologised as a traumatised nation obsessed with revanchism and being a very naughty boy.
But as Lord Purvis of Tweed notes:
“One element that was almost liberating in the Cold War was that there was a competing view on the political philosophy. With communism seemingly ousted from the economic policy of both China and Russia, we seem to be competing on similar ground when it comes to how market economies operate. In the most recent example, our narrative in the UK and the EU was about stronger values and rule of law principles.
If we see Russia as an adversary to a certain extent, who in the West establishes our value sets for how we govern and how we can be stronger and more resilient in the long term? If there is no alternative narrative about value sets for governance, I cannot see how we will be able to say that our system is better than their system.”
Indeed.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 6 2022 23:21 utc | 231

IMO, it’s important for us all to acknowledge that the entity called The West is actually a very small proportion of the people living within the West’s geographic space that are now known as the 1%. Hudson adds a larger sub-class in his newest book: the 5% who aim at joining the 1%. But even then, the numbers are even smaller. About 800 Million people live in what’s considered the West. 1% would equal 8 Millions; 5%, 40 millions. Clearly, those numbers are way too high. I occasionally use the figure .1% or 800,000, but IMO that’s still too large. .01% is 80,000 and much closer to reality, but still remains too large. Another way to look at this problem would be the inclusion of all those who provide support for the elites in an advisory role, not the valets, cooks, maids, concubines, and such. People like Blinken, Sullivan, Nuland, etc., would populate that level. Since Neoliberalism is Financial Capitalism, we’ll find most of The West residing in banks, hedge funds and the like. Occasionally there’s an oddball like Trump, and we shouldn’t omit very important agencies like the CIA and MI-6. But for the most part, the vast majority of people residing within the geographic west have nothing to do with The West as it too is their enemy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 23:24 utc | 232

“Even otherwise intelligent individuals of my acquaintance are parroting astonishingly stupid anti-Russian garbage as if they have no critical faculties at all.” -Posted by: MarkU | Jun 6 2022 16:35 utc | 96
All the parroting is getting very depressing. So much of it even stupidly self-contradictory. People will say things like ‘Russia wants to take Ukraine for themselves. They are destroying cities.’ And the sheer incongruity of those two things never twigs.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 6 2022 23:28 utc | 233

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 6 2022 13:04 utc | 27
“None of this material should be “weapons grade” or usable in weapons.”
Yes, I noticed that Lira overlooked that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 23:29 utc | 234

I am sorely missing amusing information operations by the Russians. They should make much more out of the captive mercenaries than they do.
With modern software you can impersonate anyone of whom you have a couple of photos and voice recordings. The software will present an image of the person with lips moving exactly in accordance to the speech produced. The Chinese have already used this to get rid of their news anchors. This is cheaper, more efficient, they don’t age, no need for hours long cosmetic fixups, expensive salaries, etc.
The Russians should create a software simulacrum of some captured mercenaries who will be “allowed” to transmit their video blogs. A “hero” mercenary could be created who at first “resists” the captors but slowly by degrees comes around, as the food is really not that bad, being treated surprisingly well, now gets to work out in a gym once a week, …, finally announces that the he deeply regrets his deeds, will apply for Russian citizenship as he plans to marry a Russian and sever all ties to the West including his family.
This could be drawn out in soap opera fashion, the video blog being understandably not of the highest quality (given the circumstances) which makes any forensic analysis impossible.
Such would attract an enormous following with bets whether he is real or not, interactive sessions where “followers” can question him to determine his status (these followers themselves being software entities not dissimilar to the preselected questioners in US town hall meetings obliged to vetted questions only).
If the Russians do not have such software it can be provided by the Chinese.

Posted by: bottle | Jun 6 2022 23:32 utc | 235

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 6 2022 17:25 utc | 115
Agreed. Lira is not a more capable analyst that any of the other main people we listen to, but he makes the various arguments logically. He has his opinion and it’s just as good as anyone’s here.
The notion that he “shouldn’t be trusted” is risible. Who the hell is “trusting” him? With what? Are these idiots sending him money? If not, what the fuck do they need to “trust” him for?
It’s just sour grapes that he has a Youtube channel and they don’t, and he has a following from his “pickup artist” and “Hollywood” days and they don’t. They’re reduced to posting here where the rest of the world completely ignores them.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 23:41 utc | 236

@ bottle | Jun 6 2022 23:32 utc | 235
how about some amusing operations from the ukrainians?? not so amusing for the pilot probably…
piotr shared this on the moa in review thread –
“Today only one notable event was reported from the war. Ukraine shot down “enemy airplane”, the moment was captured on camera and very quickly got circulated in Ukrainian media, with much cheer.
Not long afterwards, picture of the wreck on the ground were circulated as well.
Somewhat later, some people noted a number on the tail, and what is more telling to a non-expert like myself, national emblem of Ukraine. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori from friendly fire. (Wiki: a line from the Odes (III.2.13) by the Roman lyric poet Horace. The line translates: “It is sweet and fitting to die for the homeland.”). Perhaps Russia will take responsibility.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 6 2022 22:46 utc | 117″

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 23:42 utc | 237

Will #103
Daily Report for Russia-Ukraine
Thank you for that link.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 6 2022 23:43 utc | 238

“Regime changes in European countries will probably be necessary to see to that.”
which to the consternation of the Bernard and the barflies would mean LePen in France and AfD in Germany take control. Those are the only current political parties in those countries which favour Realpolitik

Posted by: xeen | Jun 6 2022 23:48 utc | 239

To have any hope of future economic prosperity Europe must first liberate itself from Anglo-Saxon occupation. This, however, is unlikely as it will take decades (at least two) for Europeans to abandon their love of Americana and their fear/hatred of Russia. By that time European industry will have closed down or moved to Asia. In 2040 Europeans will still be able to buy Mercedes cars, if they can afford one, but they will be made in India by robots.

Posted by: Michael Thomas | Jun 6 2022 23:51 utc | 240

how and when will the mad dogs of Europe/Natolandia be tamed? …… or alternately put out of their misery
(perhaps I should ask, a bit harshly, any of you really think that there’s some kind of diplomatic solution to the security problems of Russia in Europe? go on dreaming)
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1533756805620416515
Russians With Attitude @RWApodcast
“If Western countries think that my visit to Serbia is a threat on a cosmic scale, it means that things are very bad for them” – Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, after the countries neighboring Serbia closed their airspace to his plane to prevent the diplomatic visit.
5:24 AM · Jun 6, 2022·Twitter for Android
628 Retweets 3,269 Likes

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 6 2022 23:53 utc | 241

aquadraht #226
In addition China is making very public noises about the theft of sovereign Russian assets by US banking shysters. I read a day or so ago a statement that China is offloading US treasuries etc constantly in expectation of the same gloabal theft of its assets in offshore banks.
The end of the unimpeachable UKUSA dominance is possible but I will just settle for its arrest with hopes for demise. Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 6 2022 23:56 utc | 242

I know that Lavrov says that he speaks clearly, but I draw a different conclusion from his words than it seems most people here do.
It sounds to me like Russia is not saying that the post-1997 countries have to leave NATO, just that they cannot host military bases and missile sites.
That is what they say about Finland and Sweden also, imo. They can join NATO, but they can’t host NATO bases or missile sites.
That seems very reasonable to me and easier to obtain than saying that those post-1997 countries have to leave NATO.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 7 2022 0:18 utc | 244

The kitchen where Lira makes videos is hardly anonymous. There would be contractors, cabinet suppliers, designers, realtors, service people of every description, and guests who know exactly where that kitchen is. At least a hundred people could spot that kitchen definitively in an instant. Lira does not seem to care about that risk. He is smart enough to be aware of the risk.
Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 6 2022 22:35 utc | 214
oldhippie for the sake of brevity did not mention cooks, maids, footmen, garden staff etc. I did not see the kitchen in question, but many people never used designers, rented without the help of realtors, install cabinet doors themselves and very sparingly are visited by “service people of every description”, especially in the kitchen if the latter has a separate door.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 7 2022 0:38 utc | 245

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 6 2022 14:02 utc | 42
Yep. This is where I’m at. Putin is patient (maybe too patient sometimes), but strategically you have europe on the ropes. Military conquest of Eastern European NATO countries is counterproductive.
A lot Russia stans don’t seem to understand Russian patience. Yes, the missiles will remain in Poland. But if Europe terrified of them being used they don’t do a lot of good. In the new world order everyone understands Russia doesn’t bluff. Let the poles collect firewood for a few years to hear homes and ask them again whether NATO is worth it.
Russia is also pitching the multipolar world to the rest of the world. It’s hard to see this new world order with anyone but Russia being the preeminent military power. How Russia is seen to wield that power is incredibly important. A war of “defensive” conquest makes the new boss look a lot like the old boss.

Posted by: Lex | Jun 7 2022 0:46 utc | 246

The “Wireguard” scandal is in fact the Wirecard (payment processor) scandal! No relationship to Wireguard (VPN Tunnel) whatsoever.

Posted by: Roland Heymanns | Jun 7 2022 0:48 utc | 247

There is the short game, mid game and long game. Mixing and matching confuses it. Changes/victories in the short game can hide the mid and long game, All countries have some level all game levels they’re playing, just some do it more and better than others. The GAE has a long game based on culture (ugly as USA culture is IMHO) and military might. Their mid game is seeding USA money. Both of these, like it or not, have some traction/victories. But the USA is much too heavily invested in the short game. Win the headline, feed the impulse. They can’t help it, the USA government and media are all but amalgamated now. This is the well they will go to anytime they need a victory. Soundbites and impulsive moral outrages controlling 70% of the people are the drug but the addiction will be a downfall.
Russia’s short game appears to be lacking, their mid game is better but not great, but their long game looks good. Resisting the GAE, focus domestically, consolidate. The Russian long game is going to be solid by default though provided they don’t screew it up themselves. That’s a result of being the biggest nation in the world, by A LOT, that possesses a comical level of natural resources that the world needs. Russia natural resources to what they can export is massively outsized. The USA long term game can touch that.

Posted by: Corsair66 | Jun 7 2022 0:50 utc | 248

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 7 2022 0:18 utc | 244
I know that Lavrov says that he speaks clearly, but I draw a different conclusion from his words than it seems most people here do.
It sounds to me like Russia is not saying that the post-1997 countries have to leave NATO, just that they cannot host military bases and missile sites.

If your read is correct, it doesn’t strike me as much of a concession, being that it would clash with NATO’s mission as I understand it.

Posted by: David Levin | Jun 7 2022 1:02 utc | 249

@214 oldhippie
I’ve only seen one of Lira’s videos a month ago. But your gentle rebuke not to skip the source material has been successful. I’ll take a look.

Posted by: wahtd | Jun 7 2022 1:03 utc | 250

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jun 6 2022 23:28 utc | 233
indeed, how anybody could live in the US and not notice the widespread hatred of Russia and Russians is curious.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2022 1:20 utc | 251

251
Its ingrained in the DNA of the USA.Th Czar tried to colonize the Territory of California.
The Monroe Doctrine was about Russia,not S.America.
The Russians are coming.

Posted by: winston | Jun 7 2022 1:31 utc | 252

@Norweigen 195
By that logic, Mr. Biden, Janet Yellen and hell, the entire EU are doing and saying the right things and we should lay off since there are so many naysayers against them, including yourself.
There is a good reason why he cannot be trusted despite saying all sorts of thing that we all like to hear.
If his disappearance at the hands of the brutal SBU, and then reappearance in a plush apartment in a so-called “house arrest” to repeat on a daily basis that Ukraine is a brutal government and army and will be defeated with total impunity, doesn’t strike you as odd and strange, then you must have a sit down with yourself and evaluate your line of thinking.
Since I read this blog, like yourself and many others, on a regular basis and care about what is being discussed in it, i feel obliged to call a spade, a spade.
You are entitled to your opinion but do not assume to lecture commenters on their posts, especially when they have a valid reason to be suspicious. Frankly, you defending this character is odd in itself.
I’m afraid your logic is flawed and not convincing.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 7 2022 1:41 utc | 253

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 7 2022 1:41 utc | 253
“he cannot be trusted”
To do what?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 1:59 utc | 254

@RSH 254
I read your earlier comment above: “It’s just sour grapes……….”
If you are suggesting that whoever does not trust this guy is somehow jealous and envious of his YouTube channel and tweeter account following, then you need to present your ID for your date of birth. That comment is so juvenile.
Reading bunch of blogs and articles and come up with an analysis and put it on YouTube for the sake of grandstanding and narcissism should not be of interest for anyone and should not be looked at as en “expert” to be quoted. In fact, while we are at it, since he does have a YouTube channel and a tweeter account active is suspicious in itself.
I can name 4 commenters here in MOA that make better analysis than this guy does. If you have any understanding of how intelligence and counter-intelligence works then you would be suspicious too.
Anyway, enough time wasted on this Lira character. Back to the subject at hand.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 7 2022 2:25 utc | 255

The U.S. has installed ‘missile defense’ systems in Poland and Romania which are in fact designed to lob Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles (IRBM) onto Moscow.

They are designed to fire Intermediate Range Cruise Missiles (from Navy MK-41 launchers). We are told the USA dismantled its cruise missiles with nuclear warheads after the Cold War ended. But two years ago the USA began designing and testing a new nuclear warhead for its cruise missiles. Why? And as Putin said a few years ago, no one really knows what kind of missiles are in those launch tubes, to include the Poles and Romanians.
Details near the end here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfA020sASw&t=20s

Posted by: Carlton Meyer | Jun 7 2022 2:39 utc | 256

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 7 2022 2:25 utc | 255
“That comment is so juvenile.”
Answer the fucking question: “Trusted for what?”
The only bullshit artist I see here is you (and everyone else who bitches and moans about Lira.) I personally find the guy irritating, too. But he makes (more or less) valid points.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 2:49 utc | 257

@ 252 Winston – I hope the Russians are coming. I’m learning Russian here in Pindostan. Godspeed to the RF in cleaning up the mess my country has made for the last several decades. Russian Rivermouth is a beatiful place north of SF with a pretty good surfbreak, too. They could land there, and I would welcome them with bread and salt!

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 7 2022 2:52 utc | 258

“…research shows that people prefer lies and false ideologies to ambiguity and that is being used by propagandists to make people believe in absurdities no matter how obvious they may be.”
Chris Cosmos | Jun 6 2022 15:21 utc | 74
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True. That phenomenon yields enormous power to charlatans of both religious and political cults, like Obama’s hopium addicts. But as Psychohistorian notes, there’s a limit when the cumulative contradictions of lies finally cause intenable cognitive dissonance and followers start falling away. This happens in most cults, and it may well happen now in America, as economic collapse dials up the pain and the web of war lies finally unravels. Then again there are cult leaders who’ve become so psychotic and desperate they lead their flock to mass suicide, a la Jim Jones, David Koresh, or Heaven’s Gate. Neocons are very much like those, so it could end very badly if American dont wake soon enough.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 7 2022 3:06 utc | 259

Five DPR servicemen killed in combat with Ukrainian forces in past 24 hours — spokesman
https://tass.com/world/1461409

Five DPR servicemen died in combat with Ukrainian forces in the past 24 hours, and 23 were injured, DPR People’s Militia spokesman Eduard Basurin reported Monday…
“In the past 24 hours, joint actions of DPR servicemen and Russian Armed Forces resulted in one destroyed [Ukrainian] T-80 tank, two BMP-2 [armored personnel carriers] and over 80 eliminated servicemen; three firing positions near the settlement of Avdeyevka were suppressed,” Basurin noted.

Notice the relative losses: the LDR forces lose 28 out of action, while Ukraine loses 80. This sort of thing happens almost every day. Do the math. This seems to be a good day for the LDR forces, as they eliminated more Ukrainians than usually. As I’ve said before, the bulk of the Ukrainian deaths are coming from Russian aviation, missile and artillery attacks.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 3:17 utc | 260

Regarding the discussion about Ukraine’s Soviet era participation in the USSR nuclear weapons program – as far as I am aware the main components of this program were in Siberia where plutonium for weapons was produced by reactors located in ‘secret cities’. I think rocket/missile components were produced in the Ukraine. In pursuing this a little I came across this article posted by the Wilson Center:
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/ukraine-and-soviet-nuclear-history
It seems to be a Ukrainian nationalist view of the Soviet nuclear program and discusses the role of the Ukrainian Institute for Physics and Technology in Kharkov.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 7 2022 3:19 utc | 261

Brian Berletic (“The New Atlas”) latest… Current situation, plus debunks Spain’s (German) Leopard tanks being sent to Ukraine, and points out that the US is sending less and less aid to Ukraine, and more.
Russian Ops in Ukraine: Donbas Cauldron(s) Closing, US-NATO Options Running Out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cEVAAxvVMU

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 3:20 utc | 262

Thanks to james for bringing the Alistair Crooke article to this thread – it didn’t hurt to have another look at it, as it is pretty far-reaching. Thanks also to Doug Hillman on this page for reminding me at least of the following earlier post:

“leave the rest of the cadaver for Poland, Hungary, Romania, Lithuania and others to feast on.”
That’s what he says some times. But he also says Russia won’t leave the rest of Ukraine to be made into a threat against Russia. Which implies that leaving those countries to “feast on” Ukraine is contradictory to Russia’s security interests.
How is leaving a rump state Ukraine infiltrated by NATO, as Lira says, or Ukraine oblasts under the control of NATO countries in any way conducive to Russia’s “de-NATOization” of Europe?
I have yet to hear a satisfactory answer to that question, so it’s probably stupid of me to bring it up, as I have suggested I wouldn’t bother asking the question anymore.
As for the rest, if Russia cuts Europe off from its resources and throws the continent into economic chaos, how long will it be before the US and NATO decide to seize those resources by force of arms? Russia is likely to win that contest in conventional terms. But it is quite possible that it would go nuclear before the nutcases who run the West give up their efforts.
I am on record for my solution: Russia takes the “military-technical measures” it promised if its treaty proposals were ignored. It reproduces the “five minutes to Moscow” threat to the rest of Europe, as it promised to do. It does this by placing strategic weapons opposite the West’s strategic weapons, thus recreating the MAD condition and insuring that the West can not afford to take on Russia.
Then and only then can Russia resort to threatening to cut off Europe entirely. To do otherwise puts the economic cart before the military horse.
I now bow out of this thread.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 14:08 utc | 47

I’d like to suggest that each in its way is an accurate presentation of facts in evidence along with surmise concerning future events. So, in the interest of further surmising, I’ll just say two things: yes, Ukraine is not really the center of the problem, and yes, Russia’s security interests are real and depend upon Ukraine becoming a healthy, functioning state, without which Russia would always be at risk for its own survival.
For both these concepts to be real, we have to make the jump from Ukraine, neighboring Russia, to every nation on the planet with every nation’s neighbors. That makes the lengthy process we are witness to (and it’s only just begun) well worth being more gradual than any of the previous ‘wins’ or ‘losses’. The longer it takes, the better. We all are learning; we all need to learn. And what we learn might just be the best thing for all of us and for all our children and theirs as well.
Dah, dah, da-da-da-da
Dah, da-da-da-da-da-da…
That’s Stravinsky’s Firebird And ours.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2022 3:39 utc | 263

@ bottle | Jun 6 2022 23:32 utc | 235
Apparently you are suggesting that the RF should start faking stuff. Yes it be really great if the Corporate media had some genuine provable fakery to trumpet about…
“See the RF are liars, they are demonstrably faking stuff and Putin has the nerve to call us the empire of lies”
Whose side are you on exactly?

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 7 2022 3:40 utc | 264

ICYMI
. . .on grain shipments. . .
Blinken – total lies
Right now, a Russian naval blockade in the Black Sea is preventing Ukraine’s crops from being shipped to their normal destinations. There are somewhere around 20 million tons of wheat that’s trapped in silos near Odessa and in ships literally filled with grain that are stuck in the Odessa port because of this Russian blockade. Russian forces have captured some of Ukraine’s most productive farmland. They planted explosives throughout the fields. They’ve destroyed vital agricultural infrastructure. There are credible reports, including as we saw in one of our leading newspapers today, that Russia is pilfering Ukraine’s grain exporters – exports, excuse me – to sell for its own profit. Now Russia is hoarding its food exports as well. . .here
Putin – truth
First, there are some objective things, and I will mention them now. The world produces about 800 million tonnes of grain, wheat per year. Now we are being told that Ukraine is ready to export 20 million tonnes. So, 20 million tonnes out of 800 million tonnes amounts to 2.5 percent. But if we proceed from the fact that wheat accounts for merely 20 percent of all food products in the world – and this is the case, this is not our data, it comes from the UN – this means that these 20 million tonnes of Ukrainian wheat are just 0.5 percent, practically nothing. This is the first point. . .I have already said to all our colleagues many times – let them demine the ports and let the vessels loaded with grain leave. We will guarantee their peaceful passage to international waters without any problems. There are no problems at all. Go ahead. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 7 2022 3:48 utc | 265

@RSH 257
I find that the people who use foul language in a conversation and try to degrade others to get their point across generally lack debating skills and not really worth the time to engage. Emblematic of today’s western society. I’m not impressed.
Learn to debate and check your foul temper at the door, and stop spewing nonsense. There is nothing personal here.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 7 2022 3:51 utc | 266

Latest Russian MoD briefing…

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
High-precision long-range air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed industrial buildings of the smithy-mechanical plant on the outskirts of Lozovaya (Kharkov Region), where the AFU armoured vehicles were being rebuilt and repaired.
High-precision air-based missiles have hit 4 AFU command posts as well as 15 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration.
Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 73 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 150 nationalists, 3 missile-artillery depots and 1 fuel depot near Kodem (Donetsk People’s Republic), 8 tanks and armoured vehicles, 1 Grad multiple rocket launcher, 1 field artillery battery, 10 special vehicles, and 1 US-made counter-battery radar station (AN/TPQ-50) near Seversk (Donetsk People’s Republic).
Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Su-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force near Slavyansk (Donetsk People’s Republic). Also, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Yasinovataya, Stavka (Donetsk People’s Republic), Volcheyarovka, Boroven’ka (Lugansk People’s Republic), Balakleya, Glubokoe, Verbovka, Liptsy, Mikhailovka (Kharkov Region) and Tokmak (Zaporozhye Region).
Missile troops and artillery have hit 431 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 34 firing positions of artillery and mortar units.
The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 300 nationalists, 10 tanks, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 17 special vehicles, 17 field artillery mounts and mortars, as well as 3 AFU misille-artillery weponas depots near Gorlovka.

In total, 190 Ukrainian aircraft and 129 helicopters, 1,127 unmanned aerial vehicles, 330 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,424 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 473 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,795 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,446 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Plus a discussion about the situation in Svyatogorsk…

The Russian Armed Forces are completing the liberation of Svyatogorsk in Donetsk People’s Republic and its surrounding territory.
In order to prevent Ukrainian troops from retreating from Svyatogorsk, Ukrainian nationalist formations acting as barrier troops today have blown up a bridge over the Seversky Donets River.
Under the onslaught of Russian units, the remnants of the battalions of the 95th Airborne Assault Brigade and the 81st Separate Airmobile Brigade of the AFU, cut off from the main forces and supplies by blowing up the bridge, abandoned their military equipment along with their weapons and dispersed along the coast.
Up to 80 Ukrainian soldiers swam across the river. They were not specifically targeted by Russian servicemen.
We consider the refusal of Ukrainian soldiers to defend the useless Kiev regime led by nationalists to be the only right thing to do, not cowardice. In doing so, they all saved their lives.
We urge all soldiers and members of Ukraine’s territorial defence units to follow this example and stop mindlessly resisting in order to save their lives.
The Russian Armed Forces, in return, guarantee all Ukrainian servicemen and members of territorial defence units who have voluntarily laid down their arms to be treated with dignity and returned to their families.
Russian Defence Ministry spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 3:52 utc | 267

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 7 2022 3:51 utc | 266
Well, that makes it clear. You have zero argument, just a bunch of hand-waving. Not going to waste any more time on you, either. Gonzalo Lira has far more capable argumentation than you ever will.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 3:55 utc | 268

“…for the most part, the vast majority of people residing within the geographic west have nothing to do with The West as it too is their enemy.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 23:24 utc | 232
Good point, karlof1! I treasure a sign gifted to me for the one protest I ‘participated’ in –
“We are the 99 Percent!”

Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2022 4:02 utc | 269

and from Ukrinform. . .
Jun 6
Retreat from Sievierodonetsk for regrouping will not be a tragedy – Danilov
In Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk, where fierce fighting is ongoing, the enemy has an advantage in artillery. Ukrainian units may retreat from Sievierodonetsk and other towns in the region to regroup, and this will not be a tragedy.
Secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy Danilov said this in an interview with the Financial Times.
“In Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk, there is an advantage of the enemy in artillery. […] They pound there, pound and pound. […] Unfortunately, we cannot now adequately respond in the same way, given that the weapons that we sorely need are lacking today,” Danilov said.
According to him, Ukrainian forces could make a further retreat from Sievierodonetsk and other towns in the region while they regroup. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 7 2022 4:10 utc | 270

Re: Gonzalo Lira – redux
Has he said anything about what’s happening on the ground – and not to do with his personal situation, which I too am a little suspicious about – that is provably untrue or almost certainly disinformation?
Not in my experience with watching his videos. Again, I qualify this by saying that something is ‘off’ about his alleged capture (by the SBU?) and release to some apartment where he continues saying the exact same things (all true from what I’ve seen, but I haven’t seen all his vids) about the war. Why was he captured to begin with if they were just going to allow him to keep on keepin’ on? Wasn’t his video channel *why* they picked him up? If not, what was it?
To the idea that he “can’t be trusted” – I think it’s the other way around. If you can’t state precisely *why* he should not be trusted, as in specific lies told or facts wrong, then you’re not giving anyone enough information to act on your suggestion.
P.S. I called out the ‘wireguard’ typo first and it hasn’t been corrected yet. Welp…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 7 2022 4:15 utc | 271

Honor and Glory to the RAF (Russian Armed Forces)!
Please don’t stop in Kiev.
Continue westward and liberate Berlin, de-NATO-fy=de-NAZI-fy Europe.

Posted by: Chew Chow | Jun 7 2022 4:23 utc | 272

..having your cake and eating it too
facebook, Jun 5, Ukraine navy
As a result of our active actions on the impact of the enemy’s naval forces, the Russian Black Sea Fleet ship grouping was thrown off Ukrainian shores for more than a hundred kilometers. . .Grouping of approximately 30 ships and submarines continue the blockade of civilian shipping. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 7 2022 4:25 utc | 273

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 3:52 utc | 267B
Bravo, swimmers! Thank you, Richard!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 7 2022 4:27 utc | 274

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 22:38 utc | 217, 218, 219, 220
Good work, james. I can’t get SCO here so thanks for posting that article and the links too.
I once jokingly called you Jerry Garcia North. Keep it up and I’ll have to refer to you as karlof1 North!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 7 2022 4:33 utc | 275

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 7 2022 4:15 utc | 271
You’re right. I had to look at that link to see the “Wirecard” vs “WireGuard” difference. b’s probably busy on his next post. Once a post is up, fuck it, move on. 🙂 I’m finding that out with my Substack – it’s so hard to get one out that one doesn’t care to revisit when you know you need to do another one.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 4:40 utc | 276

@uncle tungsten | Jun 6 2022 23:56 utc | 242

In addition China is making very public noises about the theft of sovereign Russian assets by US banking shysters. I read a day or so ago a statement that China is offloading US treasuries etc constantly in expectation of the same gloabal theft of its assets in offshore banks.
The end of the unimpeachable UKUSA dominance is possible but I will just settle for its arrest with hopes for demise. Time will tell.

Certainly. We believed in the near demise in 1975 already, so caution is always good. Anyway, it seems that the West has lost the technological lead, and dominates in fields like finance, royalties from “culture” like Hollywood, and “intellectual property” tributes, so the material base of that dominance appears to be hollowed out.
The recent defeat of the sanction aggression is noted very carefully in Beijing. In a way for China, the SMO was a dress rehearsal for the case a forced reunification with Taiwan would become necessary. They could observe what the maximum damage of “sanctions from hell” looked like, somewhat of a paper hell by paper devils.
And while in the business world, and rumoured even in parts of the political class, the sympathies or at least respect for the West are not completely gone (Chinese liberals always were quite pro american), public opinion is practically 95% on Russia’s side. Internet “moderation” in Sina Baidu and WeChat is already removing some overly firebrand comments. Meanwhile official comments are US and Nato critical in unprecedented ways.
As to replacing Chinese goods, the West is even more out of options than by replacing Russian energy, ores (Palladium, Titanium), grain, and btw. Neon and other inert gases crucial for chip production. Their comparative costs are rising even more when trying to replace Chinese production profiting from discounts for friendly countries in Russian and Byelorussian shipments. Without that already they are in no way competitive.
Wouldn’t I live here it would be even more funny.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 7 2022 4:41 utc | 277

@ karlof1, juliania and waynorinorway… thanks the acknowledgement you 3! i can’t get strategic culture here, so when karlof1 shared the link from the saker of his post, i copied it here.. thanks again karl.. its odd we can’t get strategic culture in most of canada, but such is life.. its a great article! the one from orlov is very good too.. .
the story on the 80 ukraine soldiers swimming after their comrades blew up the bridge is quite interesting.. worth noting – russia didn’t fire at them and let them cross…

Posted by: james | Jun 7 2022 4:42 utc | 278

Just watched a video of a Russian naval vessel – filmed from another nearby vessel – firing off eight missiles in one volley. Impressive.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 4:44 utc | 279

@ uncle tungsten and @ aquadraht | Jun 7 2022 4:41 utc | 277
thanks for keeping me up to date on all of that.. it is of great interest to me and bears watching..

Posted by: james | Jun 7 2022 4:53 utc | 280

re Lira–if he starts spouting Ukrainian talking points I’ll know not to trust his analysis, but he seems to be making sense since his release. I absolutely wouldn’t trust him if I were pro Russian and living in the same city. Why did they let him go? the cops usually want something, and that usually involves snitching.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2022 5:14 utc | 281

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 7 2022 3:51 utc | 266
what did you specifically have against Lira’s analysis? if he goes off topic and starts talking about dark matter, i won’t listen to him, but on the subject of Ukraine he has been pretty informative.
re “foul language”, are you for real?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2022 5:21 utc | 282

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2022 19:51 utc | 167
“Anything new on the Assange extradition? …”
Yes, there was an election and change of government in Australia.
https://johnmenadue.com/new-brooms-old-stories-the-australian-labor-party-and-julian-assange/

Posted by: Paul | Jun 7 2022 5:26 utc | 283

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 7 2022 5:21 utc | 282
He did talk about dark matter in one of his latest videos, but it was an illustration of how people live in a bubble outside of reality. Nice point, but I wasn’t that interested, either. Didn’t bother with his application of the theory to economics in the last video.
He’s not all that valuable, but he does come up with interesting points and possibilities for consideration, so worth listening to most of the time.
OTOH, The Duran guys make a big deal of Jacob Dreizin, and I don’t find his analyses any better than what one gets from reading a few Telegram channels like Rogozhin and Rybar. The New Atlas guy does pretty well digging up details of this and that, but otherwise his analysis is basically the same as everyone else’s.
This is why Martyanov doesn’t do analyses of this sort – it doesn’t matter. The conclusion is foregone – Russia wins. There’s no chance that doesn’t happen short of the US and NATO entering the war big time. The only question is when the immediate operation will be over. And Martyanov doesn’t bother speculating on what comes next after Donbass. Only a few people know and they’re not telling no matter how much one parses their statements. His approach makes the most sense.
Sit back, grab the popcorn, watch and learn.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 7 2022 5:46 utc | 284

@Richard Steven Hack | Jun 6 2022 23:41 utc | 236
Agreed. Well said.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 7 2022 6:02 utc | 285

CIA Analyst is saying…
https://m.facebook.com/watch/?extid=WA-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&v=992536441457970&ref=sharing&_rdr

Posted by: ostro | Jun 7 2022 6:03 utc | 286

I’ve always thought Russia/Putin would be ok with a political and geographical buffer from NATO in Ukraine.
It’s not much space, but the political buffer is what is most important.
The new republics will always be under threat, being the front line.
But the political buffer is most important.
Of course, that’s assuming that NATO will recognize the buffer, and play nice.
Which is doubtful.
Putin may need to expand his strategic operations because of the duplicitous West.
I hate to think this will mean more war, but what is Putin supposed to do
If the West keeps pressuring borders the,selves?

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Jun 7 2022 6:07 utc | 287

@james | Jun 7 2022 4:42 utc | 278
For strategic-culture.org, Tor is working fine for me. Sometimes I have to fiddle around with channel hopping (the padlock icon left of the URL) until the 403 errors are gone. Another alternative would be xttps://vpntester.org/freeproxy/ , a Russian service available here. Allows to enter the “evil” URL even in cases where Tor is failing.

Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 7 2022 6:08 utc | 288

“Posted by: Bart Schuster | Jun 6 2022 12:00 utc | 7”
Fully agree with you. I have had concerns about Lira since he first appeared on the Duran. There is something very fishy about him and those concerns only heightened by his “disappearance”. Never the less, I have also been thinking along the lines of Russian sanctions being placed on Europe. It will be in the timing.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | Jun 7 2022 6:17 utc | 289

malamatias | Jun 6 2022 16:36 utc | 97
Interesting to post that article. The Globalist is a deeply creepy publication, which does not declare its sources of funding. Clearly Deep State.
It was instructive to hear its shrill denunciations of Melenchon, reminded me of the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn in the run-up to the 2019 UK general election.

Posted by: JulianJ | Jun 7 2022 6:30 utc | 290

287 – Russia seemed OK with an independent Ukraine that was not explicitly anti-Russia or close to NATO. Things changed after Maidan, which was pretty obviously a NATO intrigue with far right forces in Ukraine.

Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 7 2022 6:32 utc | 291

@Alpi | Jun 7 2022 1:41 utc | 253
Why should we take you more seriously than Lira? Have you contributed analyses comparable to Lira? If so, it would be nice to see.
I am not lecturing you on anything, but I note these frequent attacks on Lira without any concrete arguments. I see it as attempts to distract from his interesting analyses, correct or incorrect as they may be.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 7 2022 6:36 utc | 292

I’m somewhat miffed that the English translation of the video of Lavrov’s presser isn’t available for some reason as I’d really like to see him lay into the UK press person who asked the following to which Lavrov verbally slapped the person upside the head:
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:01 utc | 106

The transcript is now available here:
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1816449/
In general you can just take the Russian link and substitute en for ru. Similarly for President Putin’s speeches you can take the Russian link and add en. at the very beginning (change kremlin.ru to en.kremlin.ru).

Posted by: BM | Jun 7 2022 6:40 utc | 293

@james | Jun 7 2022 4:42 utc | 278
For strategic-culture.org, Tor is working fine for me. Sometimes I have to fiddle around with channel hopping (the padlock icon left of the URL) until the 403 errors are gone. Another alternative would be xttps://vpntester.org/freeproxy/ , a Russian service available here. Allows to enter the “evil” URL even in cases where Tor is failing.
Posted by: aquadraht | Jun 7 2022 6:08 utc | 288
I’ve never had trouble reaching any URL before. I believe it is being blocked on the other end. Aside from Mr. Crooke, I find I am willing to wait for things to filter out from there until it goes away again. Lord knows there is not shortage of “content”.
In any case, thank you for your comment, which was helpful.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 7 2022 6:43 utc | 294

15 year-olds as drone pilots, this is the level of utter BS that the Canadian media (Global News) has fallen to. From the comments, quite a few still believe this utter rubbish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOHkJbjmZRU

Posted by: Roger | Jun 7 2022 7:16 utc | 295

“Remember that Russia has been there and done that [march towards Riga, Warsaw, Berlin or Par] which every time has led to major changes in Europe”.
Nothing like that could have happened without the additional western front and $180 billion (adjusted) in goods for the Lend-Lease Act. Realistically the Germans had no peer at the time with regards to any single large country or union of states, industrially, technically and tactically and motivational (for a while). Same issues today with Russian advances as we can see, no matter the justification for the operation. There’s a logistic, economical and motivational limitation which (should) form a wake-up call. And shows exactly the danger of a union of states inside something like the NATO, the additional powers it grants. The operation inside Ukraine is therefore defensive, not transformative. Any potential collapse of western economics finds its causes in many earlier events and policies. Or more like a continuation of a path.

Posted by: John Dowser | Jun 7 2022 7:31 utc | 296

“It may still hope that European leaders will recognized the deadly game the U.S. is playing with them.”
If after all these years of betrayal and now hysterical racism it still actually believes this it is very, very stupid.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Jun 7 2022 7:32 utc | 297

Quadrato @ 226
China can always sell to the other “customers” in Asia, Africa, and Latin America………………..,
It is not so easy to replace the first 2 Chinese export customers.
The recession of the EU and the US, in the scenario of b, inevitably leads to a recession in China due to the loss of exports.
Not only that: the strong inflation in the West will cause many productions that have been moved to China to go back and western exports will become cheaper.
China, in the rest of the world, risks finding itself a competitor that has now (almost) disappeared.
Is China willing to accept it?
I don’t think so: economics always prevails over ideology

Posted by: FZappa | Jun 7 2022 8:23 utc | 298

I see D-Day remembrance went off without much fanfare or Russians, not invited again, as the rewriting of that history continues.
That is about the only thing the Collective Waste and European Powers have left after a couple of millennia. Narrative Control. The Russians have the Sticks and Stones.
From the Bible to the Renaissance through the Imperial escapades to the synthesis of Modern Propaganda under Ponsenby and the British Empire to the rise of the MadMen of the C20th.
Ukraine apparently claimed to have well over half million ready to invade Russian Peoples.
I think that’s a underestimate. They have at least a million Public Relations and Advertising and Presstitutes as well all the mockingbirds 😂 not a paper cut or screenburn suffered by a single one ! As the EU announces a 200 million fund to see them through their suffering after the current project is wound down 🤣🤣
The media is besides itself unable to keep pace with the Russians successes, Ukrainian leaders and military officers cowardice and desperation as every announced success is very shortly followed by the grunts on the ground declaring ‘fuck this for a game of soldiers – I’d rather drown or surrender’ almost minutes later not even hours! Thanks to moron Musks brainchild these happy few Ukes – who are not actual Nazis or the PR foot soldiers working from their cosy offices in western cities – are able to record and post their displeasure and defiance of the elensky regime from both sides of the front; before they are turned into canon fodder or after they have surrendered into a cosy pow.
Best joke I read yesterday is a trope of the Italians always surrendering or as it was put, they always start on the wrong side and end up on the winning side by the end!
Sounds like that particular fat lady is warming up in the wings !
😂😂😂
Yes am feeling fairly hysterically amused as we suddenly have to wake up and find ourselves saved by Russians , again , whilst we make sandcastles on D-Day beaches.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 7 2022 8:31 utc | 299

I have no issue with what Lira is saying, but his backstory defies logic.

Posted by: Gigo | Jun 7 2022 8:59 utc | 300