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June 6, 2022
How Russia Can (And Will?) De-NATO-size Europe

In a video published yesterday Gonzalo Lire, currently under house arrest in Karkov, is asking a very interesting question:

What Happens To Europe When Russia Wins? (vid)

Lira states, and I agree with him, that Russia will win the war in the Ukraine, take the south and east to likely create a new country and leave the rest of the cadaver for Poland, Hungary, Romania, Lithuania and others to feast on.

But then what?

The U.S. controlled NATO will still be there. It is practically guaranteed that the U.S. will use it to push for revenge for the loss of Ukraine. This will be done by a steady buildup of troops and long range missile capabilities along Russia's Nordic and Baltic borders and additional naval threats in the northern Arctic as well as the southern Black Sea. Some ten years from now the U.S. would be able to again try to wage a big (proxy) war against Russia. Then with a decent chance to win.

No negotiations or peace agreements will prevent that. The U.S. is famously non-agreement-capable (недоговороспособны). It has broken ALL promises and agreements it has ever made with Russia.

Dozens of U.S. and European luminaries had promised to Russia that NATO would expand 'not one inch' towards Russia. Look where its borders are now. The U.S. and the EU have confiscated huge amounts of Russian state owned money. They have even taken, in contradiction to their own constitutions, the properties of private Russian citizens just because those persons happen to be Russian.

In 2014 Germany and France signed on to guarantee elections for a peaceful regime change in Kiev. A day later the fascists stormed the Ukrainian parliament and those guarantees turned out to be totally worthless. The U.S. simply said fuck the EU. It does not give shit about European interests. Germany and France later negotiated and signed the Minsk-1 and Minsk-2 agreements. They continued to feed billions of EU money into Ukraine even as the Ukrainian government, controlled by the U.S., did nothing to fulfill them. Yes, they were that stupid.

The U.S. has installed 'missile defense' systems in Poland and Romania which are in fact designed to lob Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles (IRBM) onto Moscow. These are a serious danger to Russia.

Even after Ukraine is finished, NATO and its EU proxies will continue to be a danger to Russia. Both have proven to be unable to keep promises. Russia in consequence will have to rearrange them.

Russia could do that by force. But there will be no march towards Riga, Warsaw, Berlin or Paris. (Remember that Russia has been there and done that which every time has led to major changes in Europe.)

Russia has announced its strategic aims. In December 2021 Russia set forth two agreements which the U.S. and NATO. They included demands for a future arrangement in Europe that would guarantee indivisible security for all. On January 21 2022 the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was to meet Secretary of State Anthony Blinken in Geneva to talk about Russia's proposals. Just minutes before that meeting the Foreign Ministry of Russia held a news conference to answer media questions:

Question: What will Russia’s demand that NATO return to the 1997 framework mean for Bulgaria and Romania? Will they have to leave NATO, remove US bases from their territory, or something else?

Answer: You mentioned one of the cornerstones of Russia’s initiatives. It was deliberately set forth with utmost clarity to avoid any ambiguity. We are talking about the withdrawal of foreign forces, equipment, and weapons, as well as taking other steps to return to the set-up we had in 1997 in non-NATO countries. This includes Bulgaria and Romania.

Reuters reported:

MOSCOW (Reuters) – The security guarantees that Russia seeks from the West include provisions requiring NATO forces to leave Romania and Bulgaria, the Russian foreign ministry said on Friday.

Moscow has demanded legally binding guarantees from NATO that the bloc will stop its expansion and return to its 1997 borders.

Replying to a question about what that would mean for Bulgaria and Romania, which joined NATO after 1997, the ministry said Russia wanted all foreign troops, weapons and other military hardware withdrawn from those countries.

After more than 20 years of watching Lavrov and Putin everyone should know that they do not publicly set out aims if they have no way to achieve them. They always have well thought out plans before announcing their goals.

So how can Russia actually achieve a retreat of NATO back to its 1997 borders?

Sanctions. The U.S. has used its economic and military powers to sanction this or that country that did not do as it was told to do by Washington. Unless enacted by the UN Security Council such sanctions have no basis in international law. Despite that the U.S. even used secondary sanctions. It threatened sanctions against Europe, and everyone else, as it ordered them to not deal with Iran or Venezuela.

Alan MacLeod @AlanRMacLeod – 22:45 UTC · Jun 5, 2022

The US is thinking about "allowing" Europe and Venezuela to trade together. Think about what this story tells us about global power relations and who is in charge.

Bloomberg @business – 12:13 UTC · Jun 5, 2022

The US could allow Eni and Repsol to ship Venezuelan oil to Europe as soon as July to make up for Russian crude, Reuters reported trib.al/fQ10QlX

Russia can do similar. But as it always follows international law, it will have to do it in a slightly different way.

Russia is a superpower in that it produces all kinds of raw materials the world, and especially the 'west', needs. Europe, and especially Germany, is depending on natural gas and oil from Russia. Energy prices in Germany will at least triple if it is completely cut off from Russian supplies.

German industry leader have loudly announced that they will have to close shop if the current European policies of restricting Russian energy supplies continues. The chemical giants BASF and Bayer will have to move to some other country. Volkswagen, Mercedes, BMW will have to stop all production in Europe. Steel production would fall to zero. Lack of fertilizer would lead to dependency on foreign agriculture.

Mass unemployment would follow. Millions will be in the street to protest against rolling blackouts, freezing apartments and hyperinflation.

Russia can achieve this at any time. It simply has to stop supplying gas and oil to Europe.

Despite six European 'sanction packages' against Russia there has yet to be a reciprocal response from Russia. It may still hope that European leaders will recognized the deadly game the U.S. is playing with them.

Unfortunately the leaders of Europe are dumb and compromised. The 'olive green' German Minister for Economic Destruction Robert Habeck still dreams of bringing Russia's economy to its knees even as the ruble rises and Germany's economy is falling apart. Chancellor Olaf Scholz was never the brightest bulb in the room. He is deeply compromised through his involvement in the Wireguard scandal. He was the Minister of Finance when reports of the company's billion dollar fraud were suppressed by his ministry. And don't get me going about Ursula van der Leyen who has been proven to be corrupt and incompetent ever since she took her first public office. U.S. secret services will know of many other crimes these people have been involved in.

The current ideological leaders of Europe will have to be replaced by clean ones who follow the German tradition of Realpolitik:

Realpolitik (German: [ʁeˈaːlpoliˌtiːk]; from German real 'realistic, practical, actual', and Politik 'politics'), refers to enacting or engaging in diplomatic or political policies based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than strictly binding itself to explicit ideological notions or moral and ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism. It is often simply referred to as "pragmatism" in politics, e.g. "pursuing pragmatic policies" or "realistic policies".

Only with new and decent leaders will Europe come to its senses.

Russia can help to achieve that while at the same time solving its NATO problem.

It can publicly declare that:

THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER RUSSIAN SUPPLIES OF ANY KIND TO EUROPE UNTIL IT BREAKS WITH WASHINGTON.

What would follow?

Millions of discussions under candlelight would be held in freezing and hungry European households. Political opinions would change. Governments would be replaced with more pragmatic ones.

France and Germany would either have to leave NATO or become impoverished and irrelevant. U.S. troops on European grounds would be asked to leave or be attacked and thrown out by an enraged public. Germany would prohibit the U.S. military from using its airspace. The U.S would lose its grip over the continent.

That can't happen? Well, Gonzalo Lira disagrees and so do I. In early February, before the Russian intervention in Ukraine, I had warned of the consequences of current 'western' policies:

The U.S. strategy to 'fix' Russia in Europe by imposing 'crushing sanctions' on it to then attack China is failing. That is because it was completely misconceived.

Russia is the most autarkic country in the world. It produces nearly everything it needs and has highly desirable products that are in global demand and are especially needed in Europe. Russia also has huge financial reserves. A sanctions strategy against Russia can not work.

The consequences for Europe were obvious:

The U.S. and its proxies in the EU and elsewhere have put up very harsh sanctions on Russia to damage its economy.

The final intent of this economic war is regime change in Russia.

The likely consequence will be regime change in many other countries.

All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power – gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc – the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant.

[Russia and China] have spent more brain time on the issue than the U.S. has.

The Europeans should have acknowledged that instead of helping the U.S. to keep up its self-image of a unipolar power.

It will take some time for the new economic realities to settle in. They will likely change the current view of Europe's real strategic interests. 

Europe is fortunate in that Russia, even before re-entering the Ukraine, has offered a very decent alternative to U.S. hegemony in Europe:

A man who has Putin's ear, Professor Sergey Karaganov who is the honorary chairman of Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, has written an op-ed that points to an alternative.

The piece was requested by and supposed to be published in the Financial Times, which means that it is directed at the European leadership. But the FT has now rejected it for unstated reasons. It was then published in the Russia in Global Affairs journal and has now been re-published by RT.

[Karaganov] states:

The security system in Europe, built largely by the West after the 1990s, without a peace treaty having been signed after the end of the previous Cold War, is dangerously unsustainable.

There are a few ways to solve the narrow Ukrainian problem, such as its return to permanent neutrality, or legal guarantees from several key NATO countries not to ever vote for further expansion of the bloc. Diplomats, I assume, have a few others up their sleeves. We do not want to humiliate Brussels by insisting on repudiating its erroneous plea for the open-ended expansion of NATO. We all know the end of the Versailles humiliation. And, of course, the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

But the task is wider: to build a viable system on the ruins of the present. And without resorting to arms, of course. Probably in the wider Greater Eurasian framework. Russia needs a safe and friendly Western flank in the competition of the future. Europe without Russia or even against it has been rapidly losing its international clout. That was predicted by many people in the 1990s, when Russia offered to integrate with, not in, the continent’s systems. We are too big and proud to be absorbed. Our pitch was rejected then, but there is always a chance it won’t be this time.

That last paragraph is the gist of Russia's real strategic aims. They require to destroy the current system of U.S. hegemony over Europe. Europe will have to be de-NATO-sized. Regime changes in European countries will probably be necessary to see to that.

Russia's leaders now have a once in a century chance to achieve those aims. They will be condemned by their compatriots if the refrain from doing so. The U.S. has no way to prevent or counter a Russian sales boycott and its consequences.

When will European politicians, or those behind them, finally wake up to those facts?

Update (11:45 UTC):

A soundbite from a press conference Lavrov is currently holding:

Russian Embassy, UK @RussianEmbassy – 11:41 UTC · Jun 6, 2022

FM #Lavrov: To all appearances, no one is going to even reform #NATO. They are going to turn this “defensive alliance” into a global alliance claiming global military dominance. This is a dangerous path that is definitely doomed to failure.

Comments

Just a comment really about the EU’s stated aims of reducing their reliance on Russian oil and gas and adopting the ‘Green’ Agenda for energy consumption. Well, I have just watched the excellent, succinct and informative presentation given by Stuart Kirk Senior Executive at HSBC at the FT Live Conference. He told the truth about the alleged ‘Green agenda’ and HSBC immediately suspended him. However, it is an eye opener, even if it’s just a simple overview of the ‘Green’ issue. I hope he can capitalise on this and start a well informed website challenging the climate change agenda and to tell the truth about it. He provides quality graphs and information. What struck me was he provided evidence of how these ‘if we don’t address the climate change agenda by 2030 x and x and x will be a catastrophe. He demolishes that. What he demonstrated was how the climate change projections and assertions are fiscally manipulated to provide an unrealistic and untrue worse case scenario. He talked about ‘lobbing key bombs’ into the equations. The first was to factor in say a Green Tax of £200 which pushed the projections to stratospheric levels of catastrophization and the second was projections about the impact on the world would be by not adopting Green Policies. This also fuels the catastrophization prophecies to unrealistic proportions. He points out that these manipulated catastrophic prophecies are fuelling all risk strategies for just about everything in the economy. Whilst out of control inflation, rising food prices, rising energy prices etc are coming down the pipeline which will have far more serious impacts on a country’s economy they are being ignored just to push the Green agenda. It seems there are trillions of dollars to be made of course, the way I saw it, by the already billionaires. Yet no real or tangible benefits can be identified from pursuing this agenda. This was at least, how I interpreted his presentation and the information provided in it. In other words, and there can be no doubt in my mind it is the WEF agenda that is being pursued here (Soros speech at Davos re getting back to the climate change agenda) and, as Andrew Bolt from Sky News Australia said when covering Kirk’s suspension, just follow the millions and billions of money being given to the already very rich to impose this agenda and to who they are being given. I have never believed a word of the climate change agenda and am of the view that there is no such thing as a replacement for fossil fuels or renewable and sustainable alternative energy sources. It’s worth a view it’s only 20 minutes long and is well presented, clearly articulated and supported by quantitative information.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jun 6 2022 16:40 utc | 101

Unfortunately that whole idea won’t work. Mostly because Russia is way too friendly and hesitant. They would have to strike now and full force. For instance, over the summer Europe usually fills up its gas storage facilities, Russia would have to cancel exports right now.
Putin has still not realized that the West is Russia’s enemy and there is no way back. There is no point in feeding your enemy, you have to destroy it while you can. And that destruction can only happen via an economic collapse, which would result in coups and thus in a u-turn in Europe, forced by the people.

Posted by: Nico | Jun 6 2022 16:43 utc | 102

NATO is noting more than a series of delivery outlets for America’s MIC. When you look at the staggering numbers of western weapons dumped in Ukraine, it’s clear that they are no match for an actual plan. Biden eventually will say he’s done everything he can, and that Ukraine failed him.
Daily Report for Russia-Ukraine

Posted by: Will | Jun 6 2022 16:45 utc | 103

the pair | Jun 6 2022 16:12 utc | 89
i have CDs in my music collection older than that made up technocratic dogpile
Yeah, me too, 1956, but let’s go back even further and pull one out for Victoria’s contemplation…
Child of A Disordered Brain

Posted by: john | Jun 6 2022 16:59 utc | 104

Regarding Lavrov’s comments on Serbia, I think the UN really needs to overhaul the rights of land-locked countries.
If necessary all land-locked countries should unite and close their air spaces for all flights until and unless every land-locked country has unconditional access to sea.
When you look on the world map, this joint protest could cause serious problems for global air traffic.
Maybe via a mandatory land corridor in one or more neighboring countries with sea access, in exchange for the same area of land of the land-locked country being given to the surrounding countries.
Serbia and Russia should meet in Turkey for the time being.

Posted by: Nico | Jun 6 2022 17:00 utc | 105

I’m somewhat miffed that the English translation of the video of Lavrov’s presser isn’t available for some reason as I’d really like to see him lay into the UK press person who asked the following to which Lavrov verbally slapped the person upside the head:

Q: Britain has said it is giving Ukraine multiple rocket launchers to help it defend itself against Russian forces. The U.S. is doing the same thing. You called it a risky path. But if Russia had not attacked Ukraine and there had been no Russian invasion, there would have been no transfer of jet systems. Do you agree?
Sergey Lavrov: I will not even try to take the place of the United States or Great Britain. You don’t even want to hear our arguments. It’s not about “if you hadn’t attacked, you wouldn’t have done something there.” The point is that for twenty years, in fact, you (the British), the Americans, all other NATO member countries have been urged to do what everyone signed up to in 1999: no one will strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others. Why can’t you do that? Why did what your prime minister, presidents and prime ministers of all other OSCE countries signed turn out to be a lie? Instead, you say to “fall behind” nato, and it’s “none of our business” – whoever you want, you accept. Five times we approached our borders (defensive alliance). When the Warsaw Pact and the USSR disappeared, who were you defending against? Five times we decided where the lines of defense were. What’s that? This is megalomania.
Now Jens Stoltenberg says that it is necessary to globally ensure NATO’s responsibility in the Indo-Pacific region. So your next line of defense will be in the South China Sea. If you look at what is happening, it becomes completely clear: you considered yourself entitled all these years to commit lawlessness far from your borders. I understand that nostalgically this is the British Empire, you have far left there thrown “seeds”. You have such nostalgia. They declare areas across the ocean from the United States, where there is allegedly a threat to Washington, and compare with the ground: then Iraqi Mosul, then Syrian Raqqa, then Belgrade. In Libya, lawlessness is happening, states have been destroyed.
Imagine for a moment if, in neighbouring Ireland, which occupies half of the island concerned, English were taken and abolished, or belgium, say, abolished French, Switzerland abolished French, German or Italian. How would Europe look at this? I won’t even elaborate on that thought. Europe looked calmly at how the Russian language was banned. It happened in Ukraine. Education, the media, daily communication – all this was forbidden. At the same time, the Russians were bombed for eight years by a regime that openly professed and glorified Nazism.
I understand that you need to drill your “truth” into the heads of the audience with “chopped phrases”: “if you had not attacked, we would not have delivered MLRS”.” Vladimir Putin commented on the situation that will develop in connection with the arrival of new weapons. I can only add that the more long-range weapons you supply, the further we will move away from our territory the line beyond which neo-Nazis can threaten the Russian Federation. [My Emphasis]

Well, now we know the answer to where Russia will stop its longer range military technical operation since the neo-Nazis sit in Brussels and London as well as in Kiev. The “threat line” will be pushed far to the West–to the English Channel.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:01 utc | 106

I agree with this analysis! This is the goal for Europe.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2022 17:01 utc | 107

As to Western Europeans at some point electing better leaders, obviously b is simplifying at the end of his article but clearly this is a huge topic.
Needless to say better leaders without a better society all round is going to do little, so electing better leaders is the end of a reform process not the beginning. The Deep State and so forth in the US and most leading Western countries is by now so all-pervasively entrenched that reform is no longer possible. First, there must be collapse. Painful, dangerous and no doubt many will die prematurely but there is likely no other way. And maybe collapse is already what we are soon facing as many of late have observed.
It seems that Russia is providing a hint of how best this might unfold with their example in Donbass: let the people choose what they want after the situation has been swept clean of corruption.
In Europe and the US wouldn’t it be nice if we could first sweep away the corruption and then move forward?
Put another way: how can we possibly move forward in a healthy, sane fashion without first exposing and then purging the endemic corruption in our societies? Only when that is done can there be any chance to elect better leaders, though probably it is long overdue that first we put together much better systems, perhaps borrowing a little from those in Russia, China and elsewhere.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 6 2022 17:04 utc | 108

Nico @105–
The nations that blocked their airspace violated numerous treaties, so there’s nothing new for the UN to create as such treaties already exist to be broken. That issue–breaking of treaties–is central to Russia’s security proposals. And since the West cannot be trusted to honor ANY treaty, Russia will need to cement reality in a manner that suits its requirements. It’s that reason why I see Russia going as far West as it can because that’s the only way it can guarantee its security.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:06 utc | 109

Scorpion @108–
Yes, exactly–wipe the slate clean and let the people decide how to reorganize.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:08 utc | 110

@15 Pelayo – Can you go into more detail, or suggest some reading material about Russia and Germany have been trying to integrate in the current form since early 1980s – this is why Andropov pre-planned the retreat and ‘implosion’ of the Soviet empire.
Thank you! I am interested to learn more about Andropov’s plans.
@ Paul Greenwood – Thanks for that information about Colonel House. I learn so much here!
I won’t go on thanking all the people who comment here, but my list is long!

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 6 2022 17:10 utc | 111

Apparently, there’s light peering through the transom above the door Lavrov slammed to the EU/West in his interview as the final Q&A exchange reveals:
“Question: As for the provocation of Bulgaria, North Macedonia and Montenegro, in your opinion, was this position agreed with Brussels or with Washington? Or is it the desire of these countries to “curry favor” with Washington and Brussels? Is Europe now closed to our diplomacy at all?
“Sergey Lavrov: I don’t know what is behind this (an order or a desire to curry favor), but you have hit the nail on the head. I think it’s a combination of both. Perhaps they had long been ordered not to take any steps away from the course of containing Russia, so the desire to curry favor was triggered. Maybe just yesterday they ordered it. We don’t know.
“We still maintain diplomatic relations with most Western countries, including all unfriendly states. At the same time, I have repeatedly stressed the main geopolitical conclusion from this situation: it is no longer possible to negotiate something with Europe and be sure that Europe will fulfill it. When this “demon” ends and Europe comes to its senses, we will see how they will see our further ties. We are not going to impose ourselves. What they will offer us, we, of course, will weigh and consider. If this does not contradict our interests, we will be ready to resume our contacts.” [My Emphasis]
Quite reasonable, IMO. But how long will it take to subdue the “demon”?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:17 utc | 112

yeah, I think that the US and its puppet the EU will just continue to rearm and reinforce what’s left of Ukraine and the conflict will continue for years to come unless Putin takes action. Putin has in my opinion held back on the sanctions to try and pull Europe from the US grip but that now looks unlikely with more EU nations joining Nato.
So yes it might come to Russia imposing far reaching sanctions on Europe to bring it to its senses, breaking US hegemony is a must for Putin. Still I fear the majority of European leaders are too stupid to see that their situation with regards to needing Russian fuel etc, that if as you and Lira say if its stopped will leave Europe in a terrible state, and it will be their own fault but the citizens of Europe will suffer greatly for it.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 6 2022 17:17 utc | 113

@102 And that destruction can only happen via an economic collapse, which would result in coups and thus in a u-turn in Europe, forced by the people.
Name me ONE well organised political movement in Europe dedicated to overthrowing the status quo? There simply aren’t any. Even with Brexit, if we include the UK in your thesis, an alleged anti-establishment popular movement was led by a deeply compromised hobbyist and rather suspiciously politically capsized when it threatened to start reforming parliament. Europe has become utterly depoliticised over the past few decades and what little grassroots movements that have dared raise their ugly heads have been ruthlessly suppressed or willingly co-opted. There will be an eventual collapse but it will resemble the Yeltsin era more than Tsarist Russia. That’s the price of deindustrialisation, mass media hyperreality and proletarian reification. We are the elites.

Posted by: Sailing by | Jun 6 2022 17:19 utc | 114

The best part of every Gonzalo Lira vid is the amount of panties that get all twisted out of shape trying to strangle the messenger…..attack the message people, throw in your two cents and explain why your position is more trustful than Lira…or Martynov, or Ritter for that matter. Petty people, in glass houses….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 6 2022 17:25 utc | 115

thanks b and all the fantastic posters here….. thanks for your post @ 106 karlof1…
i don’t know how this is going to work out, but the west really wants the fight and has now got it… it seems russia is in a strong position, but i don’t know how it works out.. as for public opinion – in the end, this is irrelevant.. people will be influenced more by immediate needs then words of the msm…

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 17:26 utc | 116

@ sean the leprechaun | Jun 6 2022 17:25 utc | 115
no one is getting their panties in a knot… something doesn’t add up with the optics on lira….

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 17:27 utc | 117

and i never watch his videos, so i don’t really care… i appreciate bernard using his question as a spring board for the post.. these are good questions either way, as are many questions that people here ask too…

Posted by: james | Jun 6 2022 17:33 utc | 118

It’s really amazing how people in the so called west, simply ignore what the Russians are staying publicly and in writing and then cry foul over some largely made up nonsense. This is how fairy tales can grow to fruition. ‘Unprovoked aggression against the poor innocent Ukraine.’ I shit you not…people actually believe this. All it takes is a base of ignorance and then some distraction. Then the subject will eat whatever you feed it.

Posted by: Chevrus | Jun 6 2022 17:38 utc | 119

Russian UN representative walks out of UN meeting after wild accusations from European Council head communications are beginning to really break down.
“Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Vassily Nebenzia left the meeting room of the UN Security Council during the speech of the head of the European Council Charles Michel – he issued a series of unsubstantiated accusations against Russia, in particular, he blamed the Kremlin for the global food crisis.
Michelle also blamed RUSSIA in the alleged blocking of ports Ukraine and the theft of Ukrainian grain.
Nebenzia did not listen to his speech further.”
https://ria.ru/20220606/nebenzya-1793581124.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 6 2022 17:43 utc | 120

Media control as such is so complete most Westerners are not ignoring the official statements of Russia they are never exposed to them.

Posted by: Rhinecto | Jun 6 2022 17:43 utc | 121

[…]Russian Strategic Missile Force Commander Colonel General Sergey Karakayev announced on June 5 that the a second regiment of intercontinental ballistic missiles integrating Avangard hypersonic glide vehicles was preparing to go on combat alert. “Today one full-complement regiment is on duty and the second regiment is preparing to go on combat alert. This is present-day reality. Incidentally, from the standpoint of the impact of the anti-ballistic missile defence on this weapon, there is no capability to counter it. They cannot even imagine how they can counter this weapon today,” he stated.[…]
Link to News

Posted by: WATTBA | Jun 6 2022 17:46 utc | 122

it is going to be a long cold winter in Europe this year or next…… or perhaps best to say, sooner or later.
As Russia so often plans things in the very long run, this plan of theirs could take years to properly implement. I suspect it won’t be for another year or two while they build up their economic reserves, their alliances, and also a they further their own independence from the bite of these current illegal Western sanctions.
Also I suspect they want to finish up in the Ukraine before moving on to the bigger fish.
The Russians don’t seem to be in a rush in the Ukraine and I don’t see how this de-Nato-ization plan can be implemented but slowly and in the long run.
The Europeans also don’t seem to be in a hurry to learn or adjust themselves, either, do they? Instead of going the other way there’s plans to expand to Sweden and Finland, as well as talking about nato in Asia.
Any big social unrest in Europe now? Let’s keep our ears and eyes open

Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 6 2022 17:47 utc | 123

“…He[Putin} also knows the economic flaws of the West and the massive incompetence of Washington and its corrupted vassal states in Europe. He also knows about monetary, economic and political declines of the West. I think he knows that the proper course is to wait once more for the policies in the West, now self destructive to further weaken the escalations we still see. He only needs to wait until Europe AND the United States can no longer maintain the military offensive abilities of NATO and the US military. This is now a well advanced process that has accelerated due to the war in Ukraine and Russia probably does not have to push back anymore. It can simply walk away and let matters already implemented take the course already well initiated.
FWIW,
L.”
Posted by: Larry Paul Johnson | Jun 6 2022 14:07 utc | 46
Thanks b, and thanks Larry. I am posting your final paragraph in full as it says what I would have said only so much better. Here in the US the price to boil water on a gas stove just doubled — that’s for the ordinary citizenry. And apparently next month it is going to go even higher. If you are playing pickup sticks, that’s the key one that gets the whole pile moving. It’s never happened close to midsummer before — always we coasted through till winter. So, cold water from now on, and it’s not going to get better. A huge number of citizens in this country are seeing the handwriting on the wall. Just maybe the entire financial pile of sticks that causes wars to happen other places is not going to do so much longer.
I’ll drink my cold water to that!

Posted by: juliania | Jun 6 2022 17:47 utc | 124

There’re many new publications made available over the weekend and today. Here are the two latest essays by Alastair Crooke, this one provided yesterday, “Europe in a sleepy summer hiatus – just as in 1914 …” and from today, “The World Doesn’t Work That Way Anymore”. Here’s Michael Hudson’s latest, which is cross published at The Saker’s, “Is US/NATO (with WEF help) pushing for a Global South famine?”. And there’s a new Saker sitrep, “Back into The Grind while the penny drops in Europe”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:48 utc | 125

Russian forces might begin attacking key Ukrainian government building if the US and the Europe supplies long range missiles to the Nazi’s.
“Russia will respond to the supply of multiple launch rocket systems and long-range missiles to Ukraine by targeting transport infrastructure facilities and government buildings, Head of the State Duma (the lower house of parliament) Defense Committee Andrey Kartapolov told reporters on Monday.
“As our president and supreme commander-in-chief [Vladimir Putin] has said, Russia will respond by conducting attacks on the targets that we haven’t hit yet,” he said in response to a question.
“Kiev’s airport continues to operate, <…> rail terminals and main railway lines also continue to operate, as well as highway bridges and many other facilities, to say nothing of government agencies, because not a single strike has been carried out at the buildings of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, the General Staff, the [Verkhovna] Rada (parliament) and other ministries where decisions are made and goals are set,” Kartapolov noted.”
https://tass.com/politics/1461237

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 6 2022 17:52 utc | 126

juliania @124–
Even in the New Mexico cold the sun will heat water. I highly suggest looking into a basic system. You’ll still need more heat to boil the water for beverages and such, but you’ll use less fuel using hot water at the start.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:54 utc | 127

ReL NATO Countries Surrounding Serbia Blocked Russian FM’s Plane In “Hostile Action”
Russian Foreign Ministry Sergey Lavrov was set to fly Sunday for an official trip to Serbia, but his plane was blocked by the countries surrounding Serbia, which includes Bulgaria, North Macedonia and Montenegro. All three countries, including the tiny Serb breakaway nation of Montenegro, are NATO members.
I won’t link the article as it is from a prohibited site.
So what is Russia going to do about this?
I would suggest perhaps it is time to immediately halt ALL Coal, Oil & Gas Exports to all these countries that blocked Lavrov’s diplomatic mission: Namely, Bulgaria, Montenegro, North Macedonia & Romania (not named, but look at a map – they clearly blocked the flight as well).
What is Russia waiting for? I note some of these countries (North Macedonia for instance) have 100% dependence on Russian gas.
When is Russia going to play “Hard Ball”?

Posted by: Julian | Jun 6 2022 17:55 utc | 128

British mad dog mercenaries captured in the DPR could face the death penalty, as there’s claims they committed heinous crimes.
“British mercenaries currently on trial in the DPR could face death penalty because of heavy charges, DPR head Denis Pushilin said during a Rossiya-1 TV broadcast on Monday.
“Today there will be the first hearing of the DPR Supreme Court in connection with the British mercenaries. The evidence base is fully collected, the crimes they committed are monstrous. I can say that according to the articles they were charged with, I would not rule out the capital punishment, but the decision will be made by the court,” Pushilin said.
On June 4, the DPR General Prosecutor’s Office reported the completion of criminal investigations into UK citizens Shaun Pinner and Andrew Hill, as well as Morocco citizen Saadun Brahim. According to a General Prosecutor’s Office representative, they may also be subject to the death penalty. ”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 6 2022 17:57 utc | 129

“Some ten years from now the U.S. would be able to again try to wage a big (proxy) war against Russia.”
Ten years from now, there won’t be a United States anymore.

Posted by: James Owen | Jun 6 2022 18:04 utc | 130

The key takeaways here are Russian tenacity and preparedness.
While preparing for all eventualities, Russia pushed for a diplomatic accord in Ukraine and security guarantees in Europe, ending with its two proposed treaties in December 2021.
The demands for security have not been forgotten. They will be realized, based ultimately on the realpolitik of an evolving situation. Ukraine has lost the Donbas and Crimea. Will it end there?
Pushed to the limits in the last 20 years, most particularly since 2014, Russia sees US/NATO actions as an existential threat. Its security is a ‘sine qua non.’ It will not weaken, hesitate or relent, until it has accomplished its goals.
This may take decades, as the political class in the west is slavishly ignorant and incompetent, accepting US hegemony over national sovereignty. This is true for UK, Italy, France, Canada, all; so any replacement with ‘the opposition’ will change nothing in these countries.
As suggested here change may only occur as the result of a people’s revolt, due to hunger and cold, but remember how quickly and absolutely the Canadian Truckers were silenced. It could be very messy.
The one certainty is that Russia will not back down until its often and well-stated goals are realized.

Posted by: john | Jun 6 2022 18:09 utc | 131

Media control as such is so complete most Westerners are not ignoring the official statements of Russia they are never exposed to them.
@ Rhinecto | Jun 6 2022 17:43 utc | 121
“They” (my close friends and relatives) are lambs to slaughter, much too credulously willing to submit their minds to state control. Now that the “Machine Stops” (as E.M. Forster foresaw it) they’re short-circuiting. This might be a good time for people to get accustomed to not being told what to think, not allowing your consciousness to be hemmed in by a phazebook stream. What the heck, maybe even unplugging your freaking hand-held surveillance device. See how many breaths you can continue to draw on the surface of the planet, without it!
It’s getting more difficult every day to find alternative views, but access has not been the main problem. Most folks could care less. They’re still worried about the basketball playoffs and whatnot.
True story: A very dear, highly respected friend of mine shared that she’d been watching, for entertainment, the sitcom vehicle Servant of the People, starring Zelenskyy, with English subtitles. The same person has zero curiosity for anything Putin or Lavrov has to say. What to do? How to react? What’s happening to us?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 6 2022 18:13 utc | 132

Anyone know where Paveway IV is posting? I know he posted here sometimes. Gonzalo analysis is good People say well the USA will not let it happen. The USA is sinking fast and I am an American. uel prices, energy prices, food prices, rents and everything is skyrocketing. The USA under Biden is falling apart. If the USA starts falling apart then bases and troops in Europe may start closing down. Angry, cold and hungry Europeans may start attacking Americans.
Putin changed the game with the gold/energy backed ruble. Russia has all the energy, food, fertilizer, gases to make intergrated circuits cards and all the other cards. They pretty much have checkmate over the NATO countries.

Posted by: Jerry1 | Jun 6 2022 18:22 utc | 133

For those unable to access Strategic Culture and thus Crooke’s outstanding essay, I’ll attempt to copy/paste it to a dead thread so it can be read as it ought.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 18:25 utc | 134

Great post, b. You manage to encapsulate the bigger ideas of many of us into an easily understandable alternative for European and Russian relations, without resorting to hyperbole. It’s unemotional and matter-of-fact…the result of years of practice and ongoing discernment about the state of the world and where it ought to be.
And you did it without resorting to the Soviet-revanchism polluting this board of calling anything that knocks on Russia’s door a Nazi. Kudos.
I still believe that if we were to reorient ourselves in this current conflict using the same terminology and narrative of the years containing and leading up to World War II, you would have Russia playing the NSDAP role of liberating Europe from the forces of globalism, what Heidegger called the twin, metaphysical forces of the east and west.
The only difference is, like you make stupidly clear in your piece, Russia is not caught in the pincer as was Europe at the time. Russia has space and resources behind it. It can give an inch when it needs to and will eventually take back a mile.
And you are very right that Russia realizes this and thus can afford patience when carefully putting down the globalist beast.
It’s a tour-de-force of realpolitik. Well done.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 6 2022 18:25 utc | 135

Karl Marx married a woman with ‘von’ as part of her name. Received wedding presents from Duke of Argyll. Are these reasons to not read him? I think not. Is it a good reason to read critically? Always.
@ oldhippie | Jun 6 2022 15:27 utc | 76
And there’s your moral to the story, so lightly touched! Thanx much.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 6 2022 18:29 utc | 136

Some news courtesy of the Saker.
” Russian General Kutuzov was killed in the battles. He personally led his unit into battle. During his service, Roman Vladimirovich was awarded the Orders of Kutuzov, Courage, “For Military Merit”, Honor, as well as the medal “For Courage”.
Today, in the area of Severodonetsk, Russians killed the battalion commander of the 24th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. (Clearly payback judging by the wide distribution of the news).
A Serviceman of the DPR army Viktor was seriously injured while in Ukrainian captivity. The APU literally slashed the head, neck and chest of the prisoner of war with a bayonet knife. He miraculously survived and now the marine from the 36th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Dmitry Evgan, is a captive of the Russian military.”
“Russia have struck a major artery for the shipment of NATO weapons from Europe via the Beskidy railway tunnel. The Beskidy Tunnel is a railway tunnel under the Volovets Pass in the Carpathian Mountains. Confirmed by Ukraine itself.
“High-precision long-range air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed industrial buildings of the smithy-mechanical plant on the outskirts of Lozovaya (Kharkov Region), where the AFU armoured vehicles were being rebuilt and repaired.”
Russian Mod states that an An-26 military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force carrying weapons and military equipment was shot down in the Odessa region.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 6 2022 18:29 utc | 137

“…Put another way: how can we possibly move forward in a healthy, sane fashion without first exposing and then purging the endemic corruption in our societies? Only when that is done can there be any chance to elect better leaders, though probably it is long overdue that first we put together much better systems, perhaps borrowing a little from those in Russia, China and elsewhere.” Scorpion@108
You remind me of the Greens- refusing to face the notorious fact that the root cause of all these problems: corruption, careerism in politics, assaults on the natural environment is the capitalist/imperialist system. So long as it is unchallenged democracy is impossible. Without democracy, popular rule by informed and self respecting communities, no change for the better is possible.
This refusal to acknowledge that allowing an increasingly select minority within society to control, through finance and property, the entire planet can only end in disasters. We see samples of those disasters around us: Ukraine is one of them, a nation torn apart in the interests of kleptokrats and their Empire of propaganda and falsification.
It is this propaganda which has supplanted reality in the culture of the imperialist metropole and inculcated the principles of anti-communism in the general population that seems to make it impossible for perceptive and generally clear minded observers to join the dots which spell out the truth, once clear to every slum dweller and wage worker in the western world, that a small class owns and controls the commanding heights of the economy and thus the livelihoods of the masses. They dictate their orders to government which enforces them through laws and violence. If you do not like what they insist upon, you have to remove the base from which they derive their power. Then you have to ensure that no new power can replace that of the capitalist class except that of the masses themselves, ruling democratically.
Is this easy? No.
Is there an alternative? Not unless you believe in benevolent dictatorship.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 18:31 utc | 138

Russia has the means and opportunity to end the NATO threat. It can stop supplying the NATO belligerent countries with oil, gas, wheat and all commodities. Russia needs to drop the hammer. No accepting Rubles or selling these necessities via third parties. It will be painful in the short term but a long term lasting solution for peace at last. The Regime change sanctions will work, but it will be Western regimes that are changed, not Russia’s.

Posted by: Willow | Jun 6 2022 18:34 utc | 139

Interesting video from this Austrian Military Academy https://youtu.be/RpC1kXhW2Lw”Austrian Theresian Academy

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Jun 6 2022 18:43 utc | 140

b,
A few things I like to address.
First, I wish you wouldn’t use Lira as a source or even a point of discussion. He is an intelligence asset until proven otherwise, despite what he says.
Second, the changes you are suggesting will not happen without a World War and even then, will be implemented reluctantly, if Russia wins.
You are underestimating the depth of cultural hatred that Europe has toward Russia and anything Russian. This hatred goes back hundreds of years and it didn’t happen yesterday. It will take a few centuries to change that culture, if ever. I regularly speak to European friends and they admit that the EU policies are wrong but they can’t hide their disdain for Russia.
Unfortunately, there will be no peace in the future. Only a tense co-existence at best. Russia has figured out that they have to let EU/UK/US rot and implode from the inside, which won’t be too long. And then rule the region with an iron fist.
That is as if we won’t come to a world war. As I have said many times here in these forums, I am not holding my breath. It will happen in our lifetime.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 6 2022 18:44 utc | 141

b says:

After more than 20 years of watching Lavrov and Putin everyone should know that they do not publicly set out aims if they have no way to achieve them. They always have well thought out plans before announcing their goals.

Right on, my friend! Pundits, and many a barflies here too, have critiqued/mocked/second-guessed/doubted, etc. etc. Russia’s resolve and/or capability to achieve its stated goal. 100+ days into the launch, today we are witnessing Russia’s steady progress towards its goals–no hypes, no pom-pom, no nonsense. We are, at the same time, witnessing the initiation of the unravelling and demise of the Empire. That unravelling may take a decade or two–it’s actually best that it happens slowly allowing everyone else to adjust and adapt–but by mid-century I am quite sure that the voice of USA will be merely one of a dozen (or may be 20, as in G20) heard among the world.
I wish we get there faster than that, as I’m already in my seventies and likely not live long enough to see the eventuality. But I’ll rejoice over partial knockdown of the Empire’s pointed head along way from now ’til then.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 6 2022 18:44 utc | 142

Lira does not make sense. Weird thread.

Posted by: Yalina | Jun 6 2022 18:45 utc | 143

“Russia has claimed that neo-Nazism is rife in Ukraine – a claim that’s been dismissed by Kyiv and Western nations as baseless – Fromt the BBC.
One obvious implication of denazification is that nazis are running rampant. An interpretation which gives the Russpphobes a neat little opening to claim “but they are only a small section of the population and therefore Putin is lying!” or “they have little political power. Look at the elections!”
Another implication is that they hold an inordinate amount of power in the country with disturbing echoes ringing down from decades past. This interpretation looks at a president who was elected to bring peace and whose orders were ignored (“I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons. Don’t shift the conversation to some protests.”) The integration of Azov into the military structure as well as the “top secret” role Yarosh finds himself in despite saying “he’ll hang from some tree on Kiev’s main street”. The refusal/inability to implement Minsk accords. The insignia, which could be waved off, except for the pesky Bandera worship. Not to mention the stupid “Zelensky is Jewish” plot armor.
Zelensky is still bleating about the azovstal “evacuees”. Out of the close to 10’000 POW’s, those are the ones whose return is so vital to the Ukrainian leadership.
At this point a reasonable person has to conclude that the lizard people have actually been among us all along and this is their big play. In a bid to terraform the planet into a new home for their species.

Posted by: eyeswideopen | Jun 6 2022 18:46 utc | 144

Sorry. Type pad won’t allow me to post the great Crooke essay after I properly formatted it and included the provided links. What a shame!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 18:47 utc | 145

“..I still believe that if we were to reorient ourselves in this current conflict using the same terminology and narrative of the years containing and leading up to World War II, you would have Russia playing the NSDAP role of liberating Europe from the forces of globalism, what Heidegger called the twin, metaphysical forces of the east and west… ” NemesisCalling @ 135
Are you suggesting that “the forces of globalism” in 1935 were the Soviet Union and the Comintern?
Or are you suggesting that the New York-London based maritime empire constituted those “forces”?
Or are you, incredibly, suggesting that the Comintern, the Soviet Union and the Empire were united and together constituted “the forces of globalism”?
The Nazis believed something like the latter. In order -without alienating their sponsors, the German Capitalist class and international financiers- to justify the evident lunacy of the notion that the City and Wall Street were hand in glove with the Communist International, fighting against capitalism, they resorted, as I suspect do you to the ancient theory that Jews conspired to control the world. And that, in order to prevent them from enslaving the rest of the human race, it was necessary to get rid of them.
The rest of the story is well known, though I do not doubt that, for you, as for the neo Nazis in Ukraine there is an innocent explanation for the crime in which you voluntarily claim a share.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 18:53 utc | 146

Despite six European ‘sanction packages’ against Russia there has yet to be a reciprocal response from Russia. It may still hope that European leaders will recognized the deadly game the U.S. is playing with them.

Has b considered the possibility that Russia actually recognizes the magnitude of a total cutoff of energy resources to Europe and the consequential disaster it will bring to the continent? There are certain things that the Empire would do (and they have done many a times, such as medical sanctions in Iraq and the recent bio-warfare on the world we call COVID) but REAL HUMAN with HUMAN hearts would not!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 6 2022 18:55 utc | 147

I personally think that the book, The Prince, by Machiavelli has totally contaminated the intellectual minds of the Whiteman Race. These intellectuals are now in dominance over the top three tiers of the Western political hierarchy.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 6 2022 19:01 utc | 148

I would like to add / contradict to the following points:
1. If Russia’s plans are so ambitious as to detach Europe from the US, then Russia will not cede a square meter of Ukrainian soil to anyone.
2. This war will last a long time because Russia is not interested in a quick end either. The longer it lasts, the greater the pressure on European countries.
3. Germany is a vassal of the US, but by sheer calculation. In the slipstream of the Empire’s global terror, it has become the economic power it is. Germany will not give up this path of freeloading on its big brother’s violence just because the US is now demanding tribute. Germany is nothing without the USA.
4. Geopolitical structures are only changed in the last resort, which is war. Anyone who wants to wrest Germany from the United States must defeat both.
Take your popcorn and relax. Coming soon.

Posted by: njet | Jun 6 2022 19:03 utc | 149

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 17:54 utc | 127
Thanks for responding so quickly, karlof1! Yes, good things happen here with the sun, even in wintertime! And our state government is a bit more conscientious about citizen problems than D.C., so things could be worse.
I take cold showers in the summertime to cool off, and I remember my father observing that solar hot water was coming out of the hose as he was making adobes for our shed back in the day. He had a great system: fill the wheelbarrow with measured shovelfulls of dirt, apply the appropriate volume of water, then go into the house for a beer whilst that cooked for a bit, before going out to shovel the mud into a form. Housebuilding made easy. (Not to forget a couple handfuls of straw for each brick.)

Posted by: juliania | Jun 6 2022 19:04 utc | 150

@EyesWide-144
Lousy reptilians! I fuggin KNEW it!!

Posted by: Chevrus | Jun 6 2022 19:06 utc | 151

@146 bevin
You should read some Heidegger when you are not polluting your mind with anti-Philosophical Marxism.
Neither the west nor the east provided a sufficient mechanism for raising the historical Dasein of the German Volk. So while the “west” (financial capital) claimed they were the answer to the east, and vice-versa, Hitler correctly saw what Heidegger was able to articate more profoundly: they are twin metaphysical pillars of the same spirit-deadening force.
For more info on the subject of Heidegger and Nazism, you can read his posthumous interview “Only a God can save us,” or check out his “Black Books,” which I have yet to read. Suffice to say that there were definite elements of Nazism that Heidegger was very enthusiastic about, but become disenchanted about as the war approached. Imo, Heidegger was correct in his assessment of Europe’s position as in a pincer.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 6 2022 19:12 utc | 152

Germany is unstable. There are unions demanding COLA wage increases and IG Metall and IG Chemie are the pacesetters – though both are dependent on Russian gas for jobs – but pay restraint will not ensure jobs since it is not a cost problem but a political {green} problem.
Both are only solvent because of huge taxpayer subsidies.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 6 2022 12:20 utc | 12
A very good overview PG.
Germany underwrites the EU project.
It’s given Germany an undervalued currency relative to it’s industrial capacity and economic strength.
But all the old certainties are gone.
The EU quantitative easing has been a disaster for the German economic exchequer it’s fair to say.
And the Mutti invitation of millions into Germany along with shutting down the nuclear power plants way ahead of their life have goosed thing’s mighty also.
As for the greens being disasterous power brokers.
That’s democracy.
But it begs the question.
Why not bring AFD into the government.
And let’s hear none of this omg “far right” stuff.

Posted by: Jpc | Jun 6 2022 19:19 utc | 153

Posted by: juliania | Jun 6 2022 17:47 utc | 124
Cold showers are excellent for your health, I’ve almost managed to not using hot water all year round, after November and until March it is possible after doing some sport like a good bike ride. Some use solar water heaters but the water here has a lot of salts so I’m not sure if the investment is justified, filters would have to be used, I’ve been thinking about photo voltaic panels to generate electricity but I am not quite sure if the investment is recoverable for a not too long period of time. This place is the spot in Europe with the highest solar exposure, our winter exposure is equivalent to Oslo’s during the summer, I imagine it is similar in Arizona. On another note, Svyatogorsk has been liberated with minimal damage save for the wooden church that was burnt a few days ago.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 6 2022 19:21 utc | 154

Oriental Voice | Jun 6 2022 18:55 utc | 147 “but REAL HUMAN with HUMAN hearts would not!”
Take a look at Shoigu’s killing field in Ukraine. Putin can easily be as ruthless as Stalin if required.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 19:21 utc | 155

Two snippets from the Saker sitrep linked above:
“Chinese Ambassador to Russia Zhang Hanhui: We must put an end once and for all to the hegemony of the United States, with its eternal desire to interfere in the affairs of sovereign states
“Medvedev: Russia’s achievement of the goals of the special operation in Ukraine should lead to the creation of a new non US centric system of international security.”
I’m curious if the Chinese Ambassador’s statement was vetted by Beijing or if it’s only his opinion.
I requested the moderators at The Saker’s website to allow me to post today’s Crooke essay that I was prevented from providing here. I’m pleased to announce it was allowed and can be found here at the bottom of the thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 19:25 utc | 156

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 6 2022 18:44 utc | 141
“You are underestimating the depth of cultural hatred that Europe has toward Russia and anything Russian. This hatred goes back hundreds of years and it didn’t happen yesterday.”
I don’t believe either Europeans or Americans hate Russians. At all. However, many of the elites in the West definitely hate Russia – and as you rightly say going back centuries now indeed back to the days when the Christian Rus displaced the Jewish Khazars many of whose descendants now live all over the West. (Welp: the Russians started all this!!)
Essentially, the West has been captured by malevolent elites who hate the native populations and badly needs to be ‘demilitarized and denazified;’ and the latter term is correct for these elites are fascists running phoney representative democracies – an Empire of Lies indeed.
Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 18:31 utc | 138
Bevin, sorry I didn’t use your preferred term ‘capitalist-imperialist’ but it’s not in my vocabulary. However, I did say that the entire system – which would include your label and much more – needs a complete reboot which is why just ‘electing better leaders’ falls far short of what is required.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 6 2022 19:25 utc | 157

He is deeply compromised through his involvement in the Wireguard scandal.
Correction: It’s the WireCARD (caps mine) scandal. Not WireGUARD.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 6 2022 19:30 utc | 158

Paco @155–
If you use plastic pipes for the heating array, the salts won’t matter. However, you could install a filter at the point-of-entry of water into your house. I’ve used reverse osmosis and charcoal filtration systems, the latter being in use at our home, the former at our San Jose, California residence. I had a PVC-based system in Hawaii that was 20+ years old when we leased the house and worked very well.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 19:31 utc | 159

But then what?
I think several people here owe Scott Ritter an apology since that was precisely what he meant when he talked about “game changer” and on which he further elaborated in his “Phase 3” article on CN.
While Russia will indeed take much of Ukraine, it will not have met its objectives of removing NATO and deNazification. Thus, Russia isn’t “winning” it is just recreating a new stalemate. RealPolitik was all about the cold war — is this the beginning of a new one?
So, now what?
There are so many different “paths to the future” presenting themselves here, there is NO one with the prescience to pick and choose the correct one. Disagreeing with someone’s prediction is quite different from condemning them for not parroting your own thoughts.
Ritter deserves an apology and I’ll keep repeating that over and over again until they start coming in.

Posted by: Fiji Refuge | Jun 6 2022 19:32 utc | 160

Peter Fenton | Jun 6 2022 18:43 utc | 140
Read Sun Tzu to understand what is occurring.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 19:35 utc | 161

The first compact discs were made in 1982.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 6 2022 19:37 utc | 162

@ sean the leprechaun 115
is the amount of panties that get all twisted out of shape trying to strangle the messenger.
Nailed it!
The old, “i don’t like the future you see so NAH, NAH, NAH, NAH”
I’ve been telling Lira he needs to apologize to Ritter too. He did acknowledge that I asked.
Appropriately, his video this morning on “Epistemic Viciousness” presents the problem quite well.

Posted by: Fiji Refuge | Jun 6 2022 19:41 utc | 163

This is Russia slow-walking a submission hold: while USA tells EU to bleed out, Russia thumbscrews the Dollar reserve currency status, letting USA’s criminal top owner class’ myopia and greed punch their own wallet. Those new contracts mean little when the numbers inflate beyond their value and their captured market shrivels its capacity to meaningfully pay for them. It’s death spiral inflation upon both submission held parties, attacking the criminal top owner class’ perceived victory theft.
Make the money worthless, make the theft pointless, expose their villainy and shallowness without a word. The next goal, for those at home in the USA and its victim nations who want to end this faster instead of feeding the criminal top owner class the last of your survivor goods, is to stay still with your commodity assets necessary for survival in these markets; no fire sales for the FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate) sector. 😉 Think Victory Gardens, Peace Chickens, Harmony Beer, and cheap Chinese solar panels. Sometimes staying still is a powerful action.

Posted by: JR whenDallasdreamt | Jun 6 2022 19:42 utc | 164

Yes to Gonzalo Lira. But.
I disagree. Instead of “no more supplies …” it needs to be a counter-sanction. 15% extra for NATO membership. 15% extra for EU membership. 20% extra if the country has been directly involved in training and personnel in Ukraine.
Basically, what I am saying is a graduated response that hurts the sheep in the EU a little and the ringmasters in the EU a lot. This means the UK.
Russia needs to completely gut the UK and the rest of EU will fold easily.
The Russians need to get to the source of the problem which is the UK royal family.

Posted by: imoverit | Jun 6 2022 19:44 utc | 165

Here is simething else …
I see a day when the big industrialists in Germany relocate to Russia.

Posted by: imoverit | Jun 6 2022 19:47 utc | 166

anything new on the Assange extradition? last I heard the shameless bootlicker Priti Patel was considering the case; I figure I already know how she is going to rule, but I retain a sliver of hope, against logic.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 6 2022 19:51 utc | 167

Lysias | Jun 6 2022 19:37 utc | 162
The first compact discs were made in 1982
Yeah, and the first wheels were made in the 4th millennium BC.

Posted by: john | Jun 6 2022 19:51 utc | 168

Russia has the means and opportunity to end the NATO threat. It can stop supplying the NATO belligerent countries with oil, gas, wheat and all commodities. Russia needs to drop the hammer. No accepting Rubles or selling these necessities via third parties. It will be painful in the short term but a long term lasting solution for peace at last. The Regime change sanctions will work, but it will be Western regimes that are changed, not Russia’s.
Posted by: Willow | Jun 6 2022 18:34 utc | 139
The Russians have been far more patient than I would have been. In fact, their patience is kinda pissing me off. I’d like to see the Russians announce a complete embargo of everything sold to the US and Europe for at least 3 months beginning in October. Seeing millions of Democrats and Euro peons suffer all the way through the holidays would make my heart sing, even if I was affected too. Most others will fare far worse than I.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | Jun 6 2022 19:54 utc | 169

From what I see of Lira, he is a very intelligent free thinker not bounded by group think. Ritter does not understand the Ukraine war as he is looking at it from a military perspective. The first phase was pure military.
Martyanov defers to the military chiefs and security council.
Putin has said Ukraine is a small part of the picture. Lavrov and Medvedev say the world order will be changed when the special military operation is completed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 19:55 utc | 170

… They simply do not get into office/power unless there is some good compromising dirt on their files.
Hate to say it, but you’re dreaming mostly….
Posted by: imo | Jun 6 2022 12:23 utc | 17

Well said, 5-Eyes have only two lines of business: sponsoring terrorism and cultivating kompromat.
As near as makes no difference, everyone with political influence, and all plausible replacements, are already toast, either dumb as shit or hopelessly compromised. This is the depressingly obvious and correct explanation for the E.U. decision-making process we see before us.
It’ll take a big upset to flush all the dross and dreck out of European politics while, on the contrary, the Ukrainian toilet is backing up and inundating every corner of western politics.
We’re up to our eyebrows in it.

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 19:56 utc | 171

juliania | Jun 6 2022 17:47 utc | 124
Vacuum tubes are the way to go. They are capable of boiling water on a cold day

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 19:58 utc | 172

Mr Lira had a story to tell when he reported from Kiev in the early days of the operation – for analyzes I’ll rather listen to people with different backgrounds than his …

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 6 2022 19:59 utc | 173

Strategic Culture is easily accessible in Ontario. karlofi is right that the Alistair Crooke essay is well worth reading (copying and pasting.)
But there are a couple of observations that cry out to be made. One is that he elides Anglo American history in a way which really makes a nonsense of Friedrich List’s important work. List, and he was far from being the first to see it, saw that Free Trade would benefit certain countries, Britain in particular, more than others. This has become a widely held view of anyone studying development economics. And in the past seventy odd years it has benefited the US more than anywhere else.
In most of the world Free Trade has meant the destruction of unprotected industries and enterprises on the peripheries of the system and the impoverishment of countries forced to sell their resources and import manufactured goods and, in some cases, food.
It is important to note however that List first saw this in the United States where imported manufactures were putting local factories out of business. The Free Trade enthusiasts in the United States were the slaveowners and the financiers, the Democrats. Their opponents, a mixed bunch, were herded together by Henry Clay who named the ideas, that List came to teach, the American system. In the interests of fairness it should be said that it was the family of a Philadelphia Irish immigrant newspaper and book publisher Matthew Carey, to make no mention of Hamilton, that first developed these ideas.
The American system had several planks, one of which was high wages. Industry was protected in order to prevent American workers from being driven down to English working class living standards. Which, in turn, made the workers important consumers, which benefited all supplying the internal market.
List took these ideas and developed them for, in the first instance, Germany. Eventually we see in Bismarck the development of German protectionism and state guaranteed minimums for the masses.
Parenthetically note here that well paid workers equated with well fed families, which in turn meant fitter, bigger, stronger cannon fodder. As early as 1812 William Cobbett was explaining US naval successes on the basis that American sailors were better fed and “bigger than us.” By the time that 1900 arrived British recruits for the army were found, after a century of industrialism and capitalist agriculture, to be significantly smaller, badly nourished and shorter by several inches, than their forebears in 1800 had been. And 1800 had been the third in a succession of famine years.
One of the potential fissures in the liberal system that Crooke characterises as Anglo American is that, historically it is un-American.
That there are powerful, if rarely heard, forces in American culture that call for a return to an American system, a rebuilding of American industry which is increasingly being off-shored or made dependent upon foreign suppliers. It was this tendency that emerged, in a half hearted, barely understood fashion under Trump. The call was for bringing jobs back to the rustbelt. And implied was the idea that those jobs should be re-shaped, from cheap labour positions, into jobs that would rebuild what Americans call “middle class” and the rest of us call working class communities.
Of course returning to the American way would involve some basic changes in, for example, foreign policy. When Henry Clay was around the US system of government was an international marvel because it cost so little. And one reason why it cost so little is that it spent almost nothing on “defence”. Isolationism was cheap. And it allowed the enormous amounts of capital that are poured into armies and navies to be employed more productively.
It was isolationism, specifically between the years 1913 and 1917 and 1938 and 1942, that turned the United States from the biggest debtor nation on earth into by far the biggest creditor.
At the moment it is notorious that in the US there are no real differences between the two political parties. Or, to put it another way, that the apparent differences are all on matters without any long term importance- the ‘culture wars’ and ‘identity politics’ are simply nonsenses which serve as rallying points in a political system in which none of the important questions is ever allowed to be raised. Nothing shows this more than the passage through the House of Biden’s forty billion dollar arms package for Zelensky without any dissent from the Democratic ‘left’.
Had he proposed to spend forty dollars in support of the idea that women do not have penises, the debate would still be raging.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 20:02 utc | 174

james | Jun 6 2022 17:27 utc | 117
I disagree with you on that one james.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 6 2022 20:02 utc | 175

Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 19:56 utc | 171
“As near as makes no difference, everyone with political influence, and all plausible replacements, are already toast, either dumb as shit or hopelessly compromised. This is the depressingly obvious and correct explanation for the E.U. decision-making process we see before us…..
We’re up to our eyebrows in it.”
Yes, but if it is as you say then presumably these people are following orders. Which begs the question – given how consistently damaging they are to the interests and lives of the people they purportedly serve – what is the agenda of those behind the curtain?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 6 2022 20:05 utc | 176

@ Scorpion 157
Unfortunately, the hatred I speak of is deep within European society. In US, the naive and uncurious Americans still think that Russia is a communist country and hence their hatred. So they don’t really count.
My European friends even though they know its not true, love to believe the Russian “war atrocities”, yet discount Ukrainian war crimes and deny neo-nazi existence. Even when I showed them videos of the Ukrainian-nazis. That only comes from hatred.
Russians and many others in the history knew too well about the Khazars. Those same Khazars and their descendants are now running this circus. Neo-Nazis and fascists are just useful idiots.
The only way to remedy this is a revolution and meticulous house cleaning. Here, there and everywhere to root out the evil. That’s wishful thinking of course.

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 6 2022 20:06 utc | 177

In response to

We’re up to our eyebrows in it.
Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 6 2022 19:56 utc | 171

I see Russia as flushing that toilet you see backing up to our eyebrows. Because it keeps trying to be “backed up” the resulting flush that Russia is moving the world toward will be huuuuuge and it will include a China flush boost relating to the shit show backing up in Taiwan.
I agree that developing replacement leadership will be an issue and take time but that is what one is stuck with when the precious empire made/makes a point of killing off all the upstart alternative leadership

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 6 2022 20:07 utc | 178

further about Gonzalo Lira; I don’t know if he is wrong about the subjects that he puts forward, but on many things I see his insight into the local situation to be better than others. He said things early that turned out to be true.
But everyone here is guessing on outcomes, strategy and plans. There are a lot of people here (thanks b) that have really excellent insights. We are doing our Sherlock Holmes by eliminating the impossible until we get to the truth.
So I raise my glass to everyone

Posted by: Tard | Jun 6 2022 20:07 utc | 179

Besides, I trust Lira’s house arrest story about as much as I trust BoJo’s very sick from Covid-19 story …

Posted by: Mr Y | Jun 6 2022 20:08 utc | 180

@Lysias | Jun 6 2022 19:37 utc | 162

The first compact discs were made in 1982.

I should know, because those were made a mere handful of kilometers from where I live.
The EU was created in 1993, only a little further away from here — in Maastricht. The original 1952 creature was called the European Coal and Steel Community and did not resemble the current Frankenstein monster in any way. For starters, it did not include an European parliament or president.
Since these are, at least at the surface, rather uncontroversial factlets, you can easily cross reference them at the canonical imperiopedia

Posted by: Lurk | Jun 6 2022 20:10 utc | 181

@eyeswideopen @144:
“Lizard people” is a metaphor – or a type of reification – of those Cluster B personality disordered individuals who have managed to fight each other to the top of Western societies.
As these creatures lack the cognitive abilities of normal humans – but make up for the deficits via malevolence – they can be considered a separate “species”. In previous times people may have seen them as “possessed”.
The novel “Blindsight” by Peter Watts is a sci-fi exploration of the idea.
What mix of nurture, nature, and culture is an interesting question. White man speak with forked tongue.

Posted by: moaobserver | Jun 6 2022 20:11 utc | 182

Hudson’s essay takes the thrust of his newest book and makes it the point of a spear aimed at all Neoliberal institutions while telling the Global South it must Man-Up and fight for its freedom. Here’s the threat:

The choice confronting Global South countries: to starve by paying their foreign bondholders and bankers, or to announce, as a basic principle of international law: “As sovereign countries, we put our survival above the aim of enriching foreign creditors who have made loans that have gone bad as a result of their choice to wage a new Cold War. As for the destructive neoliberal advice that the IMF and World Bank have given us, their austerity plans were destructive instead of helpful. Therefore, their loans have gone bad. As such, they have become odious.”
NATO policy has given Global South countries no choice but to reject its attempt to establish a U.S. food stranglehold on the Global South by blocking any competition from Russia, thereby monopolizing the world’s grain and energy trade. The major grain exporter was the heavily subsidized U.S. farm sector, followed by Europe’s highly subsidized Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). These were the main grain exporters before Russia entered the picture. The US/NATO demand is to roll back the clock to restore dependency on the Dollar Area and its eurozone satellites.

Here’s the remedy:

What is needed for the world’s non-US/NATO population to survive is a new world trade and financial system. The alternative is world famine for much of the world. More people will die of the sanctions than have died on the Ukrainian battlefield. Financial and trade sanctions are as destructive as military attack. So the Global South is morally justified in putting its sovereign interests above those of the wielders of international financial and trade weaponry.
First, reject the sanctions and reorient trade to Russia, China, India, Iran and their fellow members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). The problem is how to pay for imports from these countries, especially if U.S. diplomats extend sanctions against such commerce.
There is no way that Global South countries can pay for oil, fertilizer and food from these countries and also pay the dollar debts that are the legacy of U.S.-sponsored neoliberal trade policy subject to U.S. and eurozone protectionism.
Therefore, the second need is to declare a debt moratorium – in effect, a repudiation – of the debts that represent loans gone bad. This act would be analogous to the 1931 suspension of German reparations and Inter-Ally debts owed to the United States. Quite simply, today’s Global South debts cannot be paid without subjecting debtor countries to famine and austerity.
A third corollary that follows from these economic imperatives is to replace the World Bank and its pro-U.S. policies of trade dependency and underdevelopment with a genuine Bank for Economic Acceleration. Along with this institution is a fourth corollary in the form of the new bank’s sibling: a replacement for the IMF free of austerity junk economics and subsidy of America’s client oligarchies coupled with currency raids on countries resisting U.S. privatization and financialization takeovers.
The fifth requirement is for countries to protect themselves by joining a military alliance as an alternative to NATO, to avoid being turned into another Afghanistan, another Libya, another Iraq or Syria or Ukraine.
The main deterrent to this strategy is not U.S. power, for it has shown itself to be a paper tiger. The problem is one of economic consciousness and will. [My Emphasis]

Taken together, the two Crooke essays and Hudson’s along with Lavrov’s Saturday interview and today’s presser ought to force people into seeing the much bigger picture and events in play. The Outlaw US Empire refuses to confront Russia in Ukraine because it will be forced to do so somewhere else. Also, we can’t forget that China is also a player in this drama, and it’s very concerned about the rapid growth of militarism in Japan. I wouldn’t be surprised to discover if China’s assessed if Okinawans would see PLA troops as liberators from US and Japanese occupation and colonialism. As Crooke wrote in his earlier essay, Anglo-Saxon miscalculations could very well result in an extremely devastating war.
During the Rape of Libya, I wrote the West’s megalomania must be stopped but what combination of nations will stand against it. Ten years later, an Entente is forming to contain the Anglo-Saxon Axis. Ironically, today’s the anniversary of D-Day, and it’s also the day when the collective world must stand up and act.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 20:12 utc | 183

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 6 2022 18:25 utc | 135
Here we go again with the smear-by-association manoeuver, in which an apparently ardent supporter of something reasonable (A), also supports something completely unreasonable(B); the objective being instilling doubt in actual supporters of A by disgust at association with B, and instilling actual suspicion bordering on outrage in fencesitters (“is this a representative example of supporters of A?”).
“For more info on the subject of Heidegger and Nazism, you can read his posthumous interview “Only a God can save us,” or check out his “Black Books,” which I have yet to read.”
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 6 2022 19:12 utc | 152
You can also read “letter on humanism”, where on top of engaging in fantastical folk etymology; he plainly states that his philosophy is intentionally useless and meant to be understood by as few people as possible.
And well, if only a god could save German Nazis… do the math yourself 😉
Nemesis.
It would be advisable for you to keep your Nazi fetish to the confines of your bathroom.
Otherwise it might expand beyond your intended measure.
Here is another example of Nemesis’ whitewashing of Nazis:

“Hitler’s Germany for instance was inherently physical, moral (with the exception of an anti-alien eugenicist streak)”
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jun 3 2022 3:02 utc | 185

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Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 18:53 utc | 146
Thanks for replying to the current enthusiastic Nazi, I almost overlooked that post.
I’m starting to think that another comb-through of a few weeks’ worth of threads is in order.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 6 2022 20:20 utc | 184

Posted by: Alpi | Jun 6 2022 20:06 utc | 177
“My European friends even though they know its not true, love to believe the Russian “war atrocities”, yet discount Ukrainian war crimes and deny neo-nazi existence. Even when I showed them videos of the Ukrainian-nazis. That only comes from hatred.”
With respect, I believe what’s going on there is easily suggestible people performing in a politically correct manner. This is quite different from true hatred which requires some sort of deep connection to be activated. How many of your friends have met and had problems with a real, live Russian?
Put another way: if the narrative managers started singing the opposite tune about Russia how long do you think it would take for these same people to end up ‘loving’ Russians? (My guess is that it would only take about a month or less!)
I guess my other point is that I believe this ‘hate’ is driven by deliberate manipulation which the elites have now mastered. Therefore it is fickle and shallow.
Lastly, groups can be manipulated and then the group psychic energy encourages conformity or homogeneity of perception, similar to what is described in extremis with ‘mass formation.’ So it has power, for sure (the military use it to motivate their soldiers to kill the enemy) but again isn’t authentic hatred per se and also can change rapidly.
But of course I could be wrong.
“Russians and many others in the history knew too well about the Khazars. Those same Khazars and their descendants are now running this circus. Neo-Nazis and fascists are just useful idiots.”
Agreed. Hardly anyone seems to find it remarkable that the Nazis in Ukraine were recently organized by Jewish oligarchs and the CIA. Clearly they are thugs carrying out the wishes of those who pay them so more attention should be paid to those latter.
“The only way to remedy this is a revolution and meticulous house cleaning. Here, there and everywhere to root out the evil. That’s wishful thinking of course.”
Agreed, but I think it’s more than rooting out evil at this point. The whole ghastly thing has to stop – at least for a while. In the US for example they need to literally close down all of Washington DC and all federal govt departments and the entire Federal Reserve System and recall the military and devolve all powers back to the States for 10 years plus. That is the least disruptive and violent solution. Of course it won’t happen but that doesn’t mean it isn’t necessary. Anything else – electing Party X or Y or President A or B – won’t make a dime’s worth of difference though there are still far too few people willing to grock this.
Europe needs to leave NATO now. Europe needs to leave BIS credit cartel system now. Europe needs to disband EU now. Then they might have a chance to clean sweep their own nation state polities but I doubt it.
No, the Russians have the right idea: hoist them by their own petard and force them to collapse and then give everyone digital ID’s and UBI and digimoney and keep the animals in a zoo for the foreseeable future!

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 6 2022 20:29 utc | 185

First of all this SMO in Ukraine was planned quite a long ago. And, kept secret. After the famous military exercises in Belarus and in the west of Russia in 2021, the Russian military stayed back, and for a long time. And, certain info was “leaked” about an imminent attack on Ukraine, but nothing happened in 2021. Then, in December 2021 Russia gave demanded that NATO go back to post 1997 line without the “or else.” The “or else” came in 2022. It was directed to the US, not to the EU or NATO. The rest is history.
After 24th February, 2022, the US, EU, UK panicked for the next 3 days. Then the panic increased throughout March, April and May, so the amounts of sanctions packages, and the sending of all kinds of armament, instructors and mercenaries. The panic is still there. And, also the indecisiveness.
US knows that it is an island, just a large one, so hard to defend. You can have look at the US Congressional Budget Office map and read an article written on 24th February, 2021 by Martyanov(https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/02/now-they-finally-admitted-it.html). There are people, who listen carefully in the US government to anything Putin says, even though Biden tries to put up a fighting pose. (Psaki, by the way, left.) UK also knows that it is an island, even though the clowns Boris, Truss or Wallace don’t appear to see. (By the way, Boris kept his post as PM, anyway with 148 MPs against him.) Anyway, both the US and the UK are islands, very hard to defend, if the attacker is Russia.
It is very rare to find someone in the unfriendly countries, who really understand Russians. None of the so-called leaders have any knowledge about the Russians. Maybe, they have read Books written by Russian authors, listen to Russian music, but they don’t understand the Russians. They have been fed hate toward the Russians since they were small. Sure, they are Russo-phobic, for they are afraid of the Russians, but they have Russia-hate, so they are blind to understand the danger they are in now. After all the sanctions packages, after all the personal insults to Russian leaders and to ordinary Russians, you just can’t go and say sorry, we’ll buy from you again. No, the leaders of the unfriendly countries lost any trust they’d been given before by Russia and the Russians.
It is decided, I am quite sure, that Russia will continue this SMO, until the EU/US/NATO lost. It maybe hard believe, hard to fathom that Russia might hit any other target away from the Ukraine. It will when necessary, in its own time. Maybe, before that Russia will bring the EU down economically. Russians, other than what Hollywood had portrayed, doesn’t like to insult other people, hurt other people, just because they are from another country, or they have darker skin, or even for their political views. But don’t cross them. The collective west tried to cancel Russia, cancel Russian culture, went against Russian athletes, just because they are Russians. The time has come for Russia to stand straightened, unbowed. The US/NATO has to be defeated, and that will be done.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 6 2022 20:36 utc | 186

Se non ora, quando chiudere i rubinetti e mettere in mutande l’Europa,
Cosa stanno aspettando i russi?
Aspettano che l’Europa si organizzi con forniture alternative, l’avversario va messo ko il prima possibile,

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Jun 6 2022 20:47 utc | 187

Posted by: bevin | Jun 6 2022 20:02 utc | 174
“One of the potential fissures in the liberal system that Crooke characterises as Anglo American is that, historically it is un-American.
That there are powerful, if rarely heard, forces in American culture that call for a return to an American system, a rebuilding of American industry which is increasingly being off-shored or made dependent upon foreign suppliers. It was this tendency that emerged, in a half hearted, barely understood fashion under Trump. The call was for bringing jobs back to the rustbelt. And implied was the idea that those jobs should be re-shaped, from cheap labour positions, into jobs that would rebuild what Americans call “middle class” and the rest of us call working class communities.”
Neat post in its entirety. Thank you.
Niggle about above extract:
I don’t think Trump’s supporters were half-hearted, especially in 2020 when he got a huge additional number of votes clearly supporting the ‘America First’ agenda and/or rejecting the Uniparty swamp. But from the get-go they enjoyed no mainstream support (getting only ridicule and hate in the MSM) with minimal intellectual representation along with resistance to their wishes was full-on fanatic as well as being extremely well organized with the full faith and credit of the Deep State. So they got nowhere and are now branded ‘domestic terrorists’ if they gain any traction.
America has gone open fascist now….

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 6 2022 20:49 utc | 188

@Posted by: Jo Dominich | Jun 6 2022 16:40 utc | 101
Stuart Kirk’s presentation was utter bullshit, he is pushing the “perfect markets” hypothesis that posits that markets are an accurate reflection of all knowledge, the Friedman bullshit about the all knowing market. This is utter crap, as shown by repeated crashes as markets suddenly catch up with reality – they are driven by emotional expectations of the future that cross over into exuberance and depression at different points (usually at the end of long bull and bear runs). The “all investors are wrong” option is also a straw-man, as its really “the majority of investors are wrong”, as they are. Talk to the people who bought Pets.com or Nortel at the peak of the .com bubble.
His quotes of lost growth due to temperature rises are from the science-denying economists, anything over 3 degrees centigrade is bye-bye modern civilization – thats the scientific consensus. It is painful that in 2022 such utter bullshitters manage to get senior positions, he should have been fired immediately for utter idiocy. That’s not to say anything good about HSBC, part of the financial vultures and profiteers.
Yes, wealth will be reduced by tackling climate change but thats better than the loss of civilization within decades.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 6 2022 20:50 utc | 189

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 6 2022 19:25 utc | 156
Thank you, karlof1! Your hard work and care for b’s ‘citizens’ is very much appreciated! I will add to what Crooke has laid out in his essay that there is an added element to the saga of history, that it was for Russia itself to have travelled the road he describes in order to come to the realization which was Lizt’s contribution to the economical puzzle. At those first, hard to bear, sanctions – they had to start making things. They did not enter it fully aware, but after the disaster brought about duing the brief heyday of Western ‘takeover’ they saw what had to be done — there was no alternative — and the people rallied.
And meanwhile, now, the West has turned upon itself, upon its own citizenry, as if to prove that what it originally tried to make Russia be had to be the Right Thing To Do. Way back in the paleo-mists before this undertaking, we heard the voice of Putin:
“Do you know what you have done?”
Not yet…

Posted by: juliania | Jun 6 2022 20:58 utc | 190

@Posted by: Roger | Jun 6 2022 20:50 utc | 189
This doesn’t change the fact that due to the general policies of inaction of our governments (i.e. bullshit targets that won’t be met and won’t make a dent given how much global emissions and atmospheric GHG levels have grown since 1990), together with the pressure on oil and gas companies not to invest in new capacity (and possibly the waning of US fracking production), investing in mainstream oil and gas corporations may very well be extremely profitable over the next few years – short of an economic depression.
The world will keep on using, and EVs won’t significantly affect that until into the 2030s (they may move consumption from oil to coal and gas in China, where it will take 6-7 years to pay-off the extra energy used to build an EV vs an ICE car), given the scale of the global ICE fleet vs. yearly car production (EV’s currently only being a 10%-20% of that production in China and Europe). The 2030s will be a climate shit-show.
Now back to Ukraine … which interesting may be one of the places that benefits from climate change with its current climate and bountiful black earth. Crimea will be the new European Riviera playground.

Posted by: Roger | Jun 6 2022 21:00 utc | 191

Europe threatening to cut off purchases of vital products reminds me of the Blazing Saddles sheriff holding a gun to his head.

Posted by: qwe | Jun 6 2022 21:05 utc | 192

In next 10 years, collective West will be much weaker relative to growing Eurasia. U.S. can not print dollars without further inflation, higher interest rates and weakening of dollar. When hunger and homelessness increase, political changes with focus on cutting Pentagon budget would be stronger. With more than 20 years of disasters, Neocons and Liberal interventionists will be much weaker. There is good chance Anti War true Liberals and Libertarians come together and form a third party which will grow in numbers as the Economy tanks under the burden of unsustainable debt. EU will be much weaker than U.S for the same economic reasons.
Putin just mentioned 2020s focus will be complete economic independence.
For these reasons, I believe the West will be a less of threat militarily in 2032 and will be forced to accept multipolarity as Russia and China will be stronger in Economy, Defense and Space exploration including potential valuable mineral extraction from Moon etc.

Posted by: DisinfectantSunlight | Jun 6 2022 21:05 utc | 193

Hudson’s wish is certainly the best . . .
“First, reject the sanctions and reorient trade to Russia, China, India, Iran and their fellow members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). The problem is how to pay for imports from these countries, especially if U.S. diplomats extend sanctions against such commerce.”
. . .unfortunately the US world hegemon has always had a deep hatred of Russia. It permits a large standing army against the “Russia threat” to European puppets, for one thing.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 6 2022 21:07 utc | 194

@Alpi | Jun 6 2022 18:44 utc | 141
The repeated cries to denounce Gonzalo Lira are interesting. He must be doing something right, and he does. He uses logic and reason and that is a no-no among in this post-realistic environment.
There is no obligation to watch his videos, those that don’t like to watch them should not call for censorship.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 6 2022 21:09 utc | 195

@117
I rented a short term apartment in Kharkov more than a decade ago. My entry did not go unnoticed. The idea that I could’ve hidden from the security services is ridiculous. No idea if he thinks his audience is stupid or if he’s playing in his own espionage novel. Maybe something else.
Thanks for the conversation everyone.

Posted by: wahtd | Jun 6 2022 21:13 utc | 196

@ imoverit | Jun 6 2022 19:44 utc | 165 Re:
“The Russians need to get to the source of the problem which is the UK royal family.”
I think that is silly tbh. All I see when I look at the queen is a lonely isolated individual that has spent her life in a cage, a gilded one admittedly but a cage nonetheless. To suggest that she is anything more than a puppet, a legal device and a mouthpiece for the bankster clans, is going way too far.
The real problem is the banksters and until the whole system of credit and finance is overturned we will continue to be ruled by the same financial aristocracy that has misruled the western world for centuries.

Posted by: MarkU | Jun 6 2022 21:16 utc | 197

B is proposing that Russia use the method of sanctions against NATO. I’m surprised that he believes that sanctions actually work. Because they don’t. At least not on the level as generally understood. They do create black markets and, as such, enable widespread corruption. But they don’t force governments to comply. Look at Cuba, look at Iraq under Saddam Hussein, look at Venezuela, look at Russia…

Posted by: Leif Sachs | Jun 6 2022 21:17 utc | 198

Posted by: Bart Schuster | Jun 6 2022 12:00 utc | 7
“Lira is and has always been a click baiter with distibuting conclusions everyone whos time is enough to follow up the news and whos mind is clear enough to conclude that puzzle in a rational way.”
This sums up Lira’s grift perfectly. The guy is a career hustler. He inserted himself into the middle of the Ukraine conversation and used his “disappearance” to gain publicity and unearned credibility. Faking a crisis event is a classic confidence trick that scammers use to ingratiate themselves with the mark. It was only after he “reappeared” that Lira was accepted by serious analysts and commentators. Given his background and the low quality of his “analysis” it’s very clear what Lira is up to. Someone like Brian Berletic who has quietly been doing very sharp analysis for years is infinitely more valuable than a con artist like Lira who manipulates human psychology to gain unearned trust and credibility.

Posted by: darren price | Jun 6 2022 21:27 utc | 199

b All energy consumption in the U.S. and EU will now come at a premium price. This will push the EU and the U.S. into a recession. As Russia will increase the prices for exports of goods in which it has market power – gas, oil, wheat, potassium, titanium, aluminum, palladium, neon etc – the rise in inflation all around the world will become significant.
In this scenario, a key player is missing: China
USA is China’s top customer ($ 576 billion export 2021 – 17.1% total – 180 imports)
EU27 is China’s second customer (exports € 382 billion – 15.4% total – import 202)
With the EU destroyed by skyrocketing energy prices, with the US and the EU in deep recession, who buys China’s products?
If China sells less, it also buys less from Russia, which is not already selling to the EU; who does Russia sell to?
China cannot accept such a scenario; if Russia adopted this strategy, China would probably be forced to ally with the US to continue producing and selling to its main customers; for Russia it would be the end.

Posted by: FZappa | Jun 6 2022 21:29 utc | 200